The Marathon Ends: Final Road Trip DL (for Six Weeks Anyway)

Greetings and welcome to the dividing line the last road trip dividing line for about six weeks that's not long i've been out for five um so yeah i've got another trip pretty quick. So let me let me tell you uh right off the bat um we need to get the roof on the rv fixed and um literally um i'm down to the wood up here uh today was really windy 20 25 30 mile per hour head winds all the way so if i'm doing you know i'm trying to stay behind trucks um you know try to get draft off of them as best you can but you're still talking about 100 mile an hour wind you know if you're doing you're doing 70 and the wind's 30 um speed limit's 80.

Um yeah and so the tape has come undone and it's down to the wood up there and so we gotta we gotta get a good roof put on this thing. Um my real my real concern is if we if we don't if we did have to you know really consider moving on to a different unit we would not we'd not get any resale value out of this if the roof's not right you know just just the way it is.

Um so i you know i want to you know run the wheels off this thing so uh please pray that look folks i i know you don't care about this too much unless you're actually looking about into thinking about getting an rv it is hard to find good rv people once in a while you run into them.

There was a guy up in salt lake city mobile rv guy man he was good um i wonder if i wonder if i have to drive up there have him do it. Um it's hard to find good rv folks right now. Um covid just trashed this this industry um i think i've mentioned uh that uh when we got the first the grand design it just made this horrendous noise every time i turned we found out later they had not bothered to lubricate the the hitch it once they opened it up there was and it was made during covid and it's just like skilled workers and everything have it.

Yeah um or it could just be america as a whole coming apart uh under the incessant attacks of the left and all the traders are in charge of government. So anyway that's another thing that's i mean the invasion going on right now the number of terrorists who have come across the southern border oh my goodness um i'm just i'm just wondering if they're just waiting for one big day where they take out the entire electrical grid and take us back to 1970.

Only a few of us will survive that because we still have our bell bottoms and i don't know where that came from but anyway so pray that we uh we get the same fit because i've only got six weeks um and i've got a big announcement to make right now um i actually made the announcement last night on jeremiah's uh uh the apologetics dog uh program uh but we'll make it now excuse me uh i don't know why i'm still doing that but um starting in november of last year we began working with pastor brian gunter down in lafayette just outside lafayette uh louisiana and um some of you know who brian is from his pro-life work down there and how he worked with um end abortion now we had the votes to abolish abortion louisiana until the now speaker of the house nicks that one along with other powerful people um but anyways uh brian's a great guy and um we had talked you know because i go through there a good bit and so you know i'll stop at the church and we'll have lunch and stuff like that.

That's something you can do when you're not flying by the way and uh but you have to repair the roof so you gotta pay one way or the other. Um we started working on he wanted to i'd come down there early but about 18 months ago so ago and did something with about three or four churches on roman catholicism it's a very very heavily catholic area and conservative catholic and not like boston which is a heavily catholic area but good grief you know and so he was like you know well you think we could find someone to debate and i actually suggested a um really conservative guy and he just blew us off.

I mean wow uh it was like like okay so much for you wanting to have an opportunity to evangelize for your faith um and uh so uh we contacted catholic answers and you know catholic answers has a lot of speakers but evidently there are only like two um maybe three uh that they would allow to um engage me uh because we mentioned a few and they didn't even begin to bite on that.

So what happened was they said well about the only person that we could um offer for a debate um in uh april of next year that is now uh would be jimmy aiken and uh so we're like well what we want to do is we want to do a debate um where both sides have to make a positive presentation so instead of it being you know as it almost always is uh with catholic answers um one side on the uh positive affirmation and them on the negative side we said we want to do a debate where both sides have to make a positive presentation then you interact in light of those positive presentations so we want to do how does a man have peace with god.

How does a man have peace with god. I think that's a you know that's the central thesis of my what is it 1996 book coming up i'm 30 years now the roman catholic controversy is focused on peace with god.

Um jim aiken's a former presbyterian um i think i actually had contact with him before he converted just or was in the process of conversion i think way back long long time ago long long time ago. And of course he and i did the bible answer man thing that was you know three hours on that and uh we did one radio debate once interestingly enough on john six um that's ironic um but um we had invited him to be a part of the great debate series on long island multiple times you can ask chris arnson but he doesn't like to fly and i think he lives in either alabama or arkansas or someplace in the south now that starts in a um and so louisiana wouldn't be out of the out of the driving distance thing and um so it took quite some time um to try to work this thing through and we we weren't we weren't getting a answer and we weren't getting a positive answer.

And and time's running short and you got to be able to advertise these things and stuff. And so here's the really interesting aspect of all these all of all of this the monday after i debated trent horn so i we did two debates soul scriptura and purgatory.

And as i've said over and over again what was really neat about that was um the the conjunction of the two. That wasn't my plan. Um i i wasn't going let's do these two because it's going to have this impact.

No i i would like to be able to claim that but it's not how it worked. And uh i just wanted to have one where they're having to defend something. And the purgatory debate we did with stravinskis had been really clarifying and this one was too but it's putting it together.

That was really really helpful because you you hear in the soul scriptura debate we have the deposit of faith in a purgatory debate and the only way we can interpret scripture is by borrowing from left-wing protestants.

You're like wait a minute if everything you said last night is true you shouldn't be approaching this subject the way you are now. So it was really useful the monday after that so that was friday saturday the monday thereafter i contact brian.

I'm like what is going on because we keep being told. Well you know we'll we'll let you know you know next week we'll let you know the week after that and we just keep getting put off put off put off put off.

And you've got to be able to make plans and travel reservations and you know um maybe do some studies somewhere along the lines and uh so he calls and he's told what we're just about to contact you. Um jimmy akin says okay to the topic that you have suggested.

However he requires that if you're going to do that we need to do two debates. Oh okay that's interesting. Uh two debates. Okay and uh what would the other debate be on solo scriptura. And i'm like and and they had had a conversation where they said yes yes we watched the debates you did with trent horn.

So i've i just debated trent horn on friday and on monday to make this debate work i need to debate jimmy aiken on the same topic. This will be the fifth time. Bing bing bing five times i've debated representative catholic answers on social chart.

They might dispute one of those because jerry matic's i'm not sure he was still working for them but he hadn't become a study vacantist yet at that point. So uh at least four times specifically but five times with representatives that have worked for catholic answer five times on one subject.

And those who listen to this program know it wasn't it was only last year that in the big studio. And we'll do this again we'll do this again. Rich has been every time i live when i leave you know my wife hides pretty much all my stuff at home.

It'll take me months and in fact this is such a quick turnaround that um i probably um i won't even have time to find all my stuff again before i have to leave and the wife will hide everything again uh just completely erasing any evidence of my existence.

She calls it decluttering. But anyway uh so so i'm sitting here going you know we'll we we will manage in that time period um i will put his book back up on the screen. Rich is rich is working in that studio and he's put a whole new podium together and he's doing all this woodworking and he's really doing maximum tim taylor stuff.

Okay i mean i am a thousand miles away but i can still hear uh coming from rich because he's just doing all this stuff and and i'm hoping that that we'll still be able to find a place for my my alpha and omega uh bowtie because i mean that thing is just so awesomely cool.

Um so oh you know i need to be double checking here uh oh okay yeah uh tobias riemenschneider is coming to phoenix and uh i'm looking forward to um very much uh hanging out spending some time um would love to find a way to go shooting because germans never get to do that um you know maybe we could run over to shooter's world or and i can let him you know maybe fire my m500 or something like that you know just just to let him know you know once the u .s falls this is what we once had uh type of a situation but he's actually remember i played tobias singing psalm 2 remember in german about a i don't know a year ago something along those lines and um great brothers over there in frankfurt and uh tobias is actually going to be preaching an apologia uh in a couple weeks um and uh actually that's just like 10 days from now so i guess the sunday after i'll be preaching this coming sunday coming straight home and straight to work um that's that's that's how it works.

So anyways i that that was what was in that was what was on my phone there and i got completely uh dragged off the off the track there so um we will i i will put jimmy akin's book up on the screen we'll read it in context respond to it again and we'll do it in a debate um and it's like okay um but it does i think there are a lot of folks that are going why would they do that.

Uh you just did it and i'm like yeah i know but if we can get a debate on how a man has peace with god which is the key issue uh then great i'll do it again that's that's fine i'm sure it'll be of a different character or something but that means we'll have debated jerry matic's twice patrick madrid um uh trent horn and jimmy aiken and i'm trying to think if there wasn't another one somewhere along the lines i bet i bet you chris ironson would remember but it's at least five it may be more now that i think about it um but that will be you know i should have excuse me um the church will have a website up fairly quickly uh on this but it will be i believe i think it's the 24th or 25th or it's 22nd 23rd 24th i think it's 24th 25th and then the conference will be 26 27th and then probably preaching the 28th.

That's my guess um but it's that week the last week in uh april for uh the debates and the discussion around catholicism so you know if you we had people driving long distances uh for the debates before um come on down um and uh make plans to get to lafayette and uh we'll we'll do it again so there you go with the announcement of the upcoming debates um that will uh also get us a little bit closer to the big 200 goal um i'm not sure 200 is a goal uh it would be fun um but you everybody's like so you're gonna retire after 200 i'll retire when the people closest to me say you're you're not able to do this anymore um you know i don't want to i don't want to be like you know all these people that retire and then come back and it's not a good thing and stuff like that.

So um we'll see we'll see um right now still enjoying what we're what we're doing and the way that we're we're doing it. Speaking of enjoying things um there is a yet again another uh webcast competition going on on twitter these things got popular a couple years ago and uh jeff and i did all sorts of uh funny stuff uh about these this competition where you you vote for stuff and a couple times now it's been the dividing line versus apologia radio and i've always won no matter what jeff does he has he has he's put out academy award winning performances he really has he had he had this medical issue and uh he had just gotten out of the hospital and man he was milking it he's sitting there thumbing through who had voted for whom and you know uh praising people that had voted for him and then just going after everybody that had voted for me and and oh man it was it was really well done and and then we did that video uh where you know he's he's hiding uh up on the you know he had a ninja sword and i had my m500 and and it was it's been great.

We remember we were playing the football game unfortunately we dated ourselves with that nobody does that anymore um we were playing a chess game yeah there was it was great we had a lot of fun and we're on opposite end of the bracket and so we could end up uh back there again and i have certain plans plans than plans if that happens um but for example i might be up against cultish uh after the current bracket and that's another apology to show and you know what do you do then.

But right now the the voting right now is me and against chocolate knox which i think is just hilarious um because anytime i walk into a room chocolate knox hides i mean you know if he's speaking if i sneak around behind him he starts getting all nervous.

It's it's a lot of fun it really is. He's a great guy but he had that guy on that you know said baptists were responsible for starting transgenderism and that's still you know sort of you know got to keep that in mind and um so we started having some fun on twitter just before the program started and man he absolutely um went after me here um i'm trying to find uh the the thing uh where and everyone's responding to it and and he says uh one of them says and somehow in all my race baiting i've helped increase the lead for james yeah where is what's the current.

Yeah i'm at i'm at 70 percent. He's at 30 percent um so and there's what uh 14 hours left uh in it um but uh you know he decided to come after me and um put together this really hilarious tweet uh about basically you know saying to uh muslims you know now's your chance to uh you know if you hate james white uh then now's now's the time to get your your uh stuff in here.

Let me see here there's so many that have already responded that i i can't i can't find that one that one tweet it was great too um but yeah it was basically if if everyone who hates james white and that is quite a group uh would just vote for him.

Okay here it is it just popped up. It's sometimes hard to find things on twitter. See doc i didn't want to do this. Ahem. If you are muslim and hate james white now is your time to show it. If you're a catholic and hate james white this is a chance to manifest your revenge on him.

If you hate the fact james white is now out of the closet um as a post mill theonomist this too is your moment. If the tattoo sleeve james white wears is offensive to your sensibilities wears. That's not something you can take off buddy it it stays.

See it's real. It's it's it goes all the way up. Um it is offensive to your sensibilities. Don't miss this opportunity. Remember you're not voting for me. No you're voting against him. And this moment might be your only moment to give him an l and look i don't believe james white all capitals is racist.

I don't know if his family owned slaves. We came from scotland. We were slaves. What are you talking about. I don't know if he still has any somewhere hidden. I'm just saying he got white in the name.

No sorry. He says that he got white in the name. And he knows how to talk. Is voting white voting right. Is this low-key white supremacy. Just questions we have to ask. That's all go. Do what you must do quickly.

Eric kahn says my main regret in life is that i have but one vote to give chocolate knox. To which i responded wow wow. Just wow. This proves chocolate knox does think baptists are to blame for transgenderism.

Okay. Well if we're gonna go nuclear in these final hours they need to let everyone know. And in all all caps i put chocolate knox taught layton flowers. Everything layton flowers knows about calvinism.

It's true. So do with that golden nugget. What you will. So look chocolate knox. I've got a i've got a dividing line. You know i you don't don't son. You don't know. No right. Right. Before i'm gonna do a dividing line.

Oh you don't. You don't go after me then. Bad timing bad time. Ah well it'll be fun. It'll it. It's it's enjoyable. It's fun. And right now we're trying to get keith foskey through. He's up against this haunted cosmos.

People i i'll be honest don't know anything about it. Uh but i said the cosmos isn't haunted and therefore we need to vote for keith foskey. Um well i mean if he's not in it anymore you're not gonna have any awesome classic videos being produced.

Um about the competition. So i i just think we need to get keith as far as we can until he's up against me. And then we have to crush him. But um up till then we're we're good. So anyways yes twitter is a fun fun fun fun fun place.

Uh it really is all right. Speaking of how fun it is. Um i have a screenshot here and i.

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We can get we can get serious now. Um this morning by the way i was uh informed of the fact that after the why calvinism conference in tullahoma um and remember i debated jason bretta on the atonement there um a debate review um was recorded and one of the people that came to that debate and also came to layton flowers and i debate in houston getting kevin thompson and i recognized him because kevin thompson is a radical anti-calvinist.

I mean radical radical anti-calvinist and he's also a king james only guy and and not a good one either as far as the quality of material is concerned. And so i was wondering what you know uh layton flowers hangs out with some really interesting people and the only thing that seems to really bind them together is their detestation of reform theology.

And so i was informed this morning about this debate review and look what i i have to have to say layton flowers did disagree so you got to give him credit on that one. He disagreed because kevin thompson's sitting there going oh the kids the kids are terrible they're just all over the place and it tells you a lot about the people that were coming to this and i'm sitting here going what.

And then they have some lady some young lady who claims to be a former calvinist. Um it's it the the parallels that i see between the provisionist playground folks um and the conversion stories and stuff like this.

It's very similar to when people become roman catholics um very similar behavior and and mindsets and attitude. It's very strange uh but you know this this thompson goes after the people and their kids and they were running all over the place and out of control and this tells you a lot about what these people are and stuff like that.

And layton's like um i was there longer than you were i i got to go out to dinner with a few people and i just didn't see that and that's because it didn't exist. Uh were there kids there. Yeah thankfully um were they misbehaving and something.

No i never saw it. I mean i was in the room where you do a lot of the interviewing stuff that keith was set up in there and dead men walking were in there and and so i spent a lot of time in there and some of the kids would would come over and ask to play with something or you know uh what normal kids do.

I can't imagine what he would do at apologia. Um it's not that kids are running around out of control but um yeah we got a lot of kids um there's something about you know the family and stuff like that.

So i would so i listened to the beginning of this review this morning and i was like wow this is uh so sad to see this kind of behavior from these people and it's just getting worse and worse. It seems to be uh accelerating not decelerating normally by now you know or tomorrow will be a week since the debate you'd have some de-escalation by now but doesn't seem to be uh doesn't seem to be happening.

Um i get home tomorrow. By the way i am so very thankful i hope and pray that there will still be a roof on this thing uh but i get there. Maybe the wind won't be quite as bad tomorrow um but yeah i'm really looking forward to get to getting home because i've got to take my wife to the airport she's going to see her dad.

So hi bye. Um sort of how it works this time of life. But uh looking forward to get to do that anyway. So i'm not seeing any you know uh slowing down of the and stuff from the uh from the other side. But one of the interesting takeaways um from the debate from um a week ago tomorrow was the issue of the nature of conversion and it was an audience question and it wasn't addressed to me.

So that means i got all of 30 seconds. I wonder if any of you who've ever sat back and thought you know i could do a better job than those guys do have you ever have you ever you know got a timer out and practiced and and gone.

Okay. Um what if i was asked this question. And now you have you have 60 seconds if it's asked of you and then 30 seconds to comment on what the other guy said that you have zero time for prep. You can't have any notes.

You don't know how the guy is going to answer the question. Um and you you have to um you really have to hit it and try to do so in such a fact i mean normally i'm sitting there listening and i'm in 60 seconds there might be two or three points that i want to try to hit on and i have to prioritize which one do i have.

You know you're only gonna get to one thing in 30 seconds unless you just make a super brief comment and then another one right after that that you can't really say much at um it's very challenging. It is not easy to do.

And if you've never tried it um be a little gracious toward those of us who do it regularly. Uh it is uh somewhat challenging to be able to to do that. The question on whether conversion is a miracle.

And matt estes reminded me that back in the first i think it was the first debate that they had at first lutheran when layton and another guy took on the two weird calvinists um in his ending statement layton did make an amazing assertion this was years ago that just as god could create criatio ex nihilo um we since we're made in the image of god can uh create faith out of nothing.

And i remember listening that going where what what where did that come from. How strange is that. But when you think about it their position cannot allow for conversion to be a miracle. Because that would mean it has to be initiated by the power of god right.

Not just by because because in his answer he talked about you know all the miracles that surround conversion you have to have the gospel and and things like that. But everybody heard he didn't answer the question is conversion itself miraculous.

And my response was i i said he takes out a heart of stone and gives a heart of flesh. That's the greatest miracle that takes place. Conversion is absolutely miraculous because it's the work of god. Um and you know i didn't have to say much more than that.

But just today i grabbed a screenshot. Um oh wait a minute wait a minute. Um a family member has tweeted hmm that is odd. Um is it says it's an even race. I don't see it saying that. But anyway uh family members commenting you better better find out what they're saying.

Um before they say something that you don't want them to say. Uh latent flowers wrote this when a calvinist asks if you believe conversion is a miracle. So again the audience question they're meaning quote is your decision to trust in christ effectually caused by miraculous work of god.

End quote. Um yeah. Um because now again he doesn't believe you're dead in sin. He doesn't have a biblical anthropology. He has a pelagian anthropology really does. And every day he's going to get closer and closer to that.

Just watch just watch. Um i don't see latent flowers moving toward a consistent understanding of romans chapter 5. I see him moving far far away over time. And it's not it's not like well i'm just going to take this position and i'm going to stay here.

That's not what we've seen. And when it when it comes to these issues there will be constant pressure. And when there's constant pressure on you and you've already compromised on the only biblical foundations you can have then you're going to keep moving.

So every non-calvinist throughout christian history as if he has a clue about christian history uh says no to that question. Really oh so acting as if it's a newfound heresy of sorts is nonsense. No it's not this is this goes back to this is it's fundamental the reformation.

He's on the anti-reformed side. He's against the reformation. Uh this goes back to augustine who he called who he he's still promoting the ken wilson fantasy stuff. Um manichaean man the elect manichaeans pooping light.

It's true. It's just what it is. It's it remains the absurdity that it was when it was first published it remains absurd to this day. But he's fully sold out to it. But again anyone who knows church history when it says every non-calvinist throughout christian history says no to the question.

He's literally saying that he can prove a unanimous view of all christians in church history. Because if non-calvin has to be before calvin everybody before calvin had to all agree on this stuff on this issue that conversion is non-miraculous.

Now with all due respect um we've caught layton flowers demonstrating really basic ignorance of church history. He didn't know who clement was and he couldn't didn't tell which clement was which and and i'm sorry he just he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to church history.

But even if he were an expert in church well if he was an expert in church history he'd never say this because the reality is that especially in the early period um the not only is the documentation we have of what people believe fragmentary very rarely do we have everything that someone has taught from that time period.

But this wasn't the fundamental focus of what was being written. I mean um the apologists okay they're dealing with roman persecution. This isn't the topic that they're writing about. So a serious person who who takes church history seriously maybe you know has taught it for 30 years something like that professor of it maybe something like that.

Uh it's just not going to make that kind of wild crazy statement. And and since he doesn't realize wild crazy statement that just proves the point. Um if someone who isn't presupposing tulip would like to discuss what aspects of our salvation is miraculous i don't think you proofread this.

I'm i'm fixing the grammar errors. Um would like to discuss what aspects of our salvation are miraculous. Then i'd be happy to do so. So he's hearing um what a lot of people are saying and that is that question demonstrated that he is on his way to full-blown plagianism.

He really is. Conversion is absolutely positively miraculous. And i will remind you of the words of ezekiel 36. Now just briefly in passing ezekiel 36 is one of the key passages in the background of a lot of the terminology that's used in the gospel of john.

So it's relevant to the john 6 um debate as well. So ezekiel 36 25 then i will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean. Now the roman catholics and sacramentalists you know automatically they've got their their lenses that they're reading everything through stuff that's developed later on.

Uh the reality is you will be clean. I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean. This is this is really christ mechanism of cleansing his people. I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your idols.

Um go to titus 2. In fact i'll be going to titus 2 here in a second. So don't bother. Moreover i will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you can i just ask you to think for a moment um is that miraculous.

I will give you a new heart. You know i've had heart surgery. Um it wasn't miraculous. But it was certainly beyond what mankind had been able to do until probably the 1980s. So that's sort of miraculous.

But it a new heart. We just tried to fix something and failed. Um in in my current heart. But i will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. If your theology requires you to think that that's not miraculous.

Um you have departed far far far from any kind of orthodox understanding of scripture. And you might want to ask yourself why am i so afraid of recognizing and confessing the necessity of the work of the spirit.

Why do i think man has such a capacity that his old heart is good enough his old spirit is good enough. No it's not. And i will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

That was the reference that i made during the debate. Because you know we could talk about the valley of the dry bones. There's a miracle for you. And that's conversion. And here's another picture. I will remove the heart of stone 36 26.

If you're wondering where we are ezekiel 36 26 and i'll remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. That is more as miraculous as it can be. If you can't see that you are blind.

You've been blinded by your traditions. And i will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statues. And you'll be careful to do my judgments. Oh isn't it interesting. Ezekiel 36 36 and hmm jeremiah 31 i will write my laws upon their hearts.

It's the same. It's the same concept. Oh but but wait a minute. What are the two possible sources for jesus's citation in john 6 45. They shall all be taught of god. Well it's isaiah 54 and jeremiah 31.

Oh really. Isn't it beautiful. It really is i i it's. It's beautiful to see the woven fabric of divine revelation. If you'll allow it to be that if you won't chop it up into pieces so you can maintain your pelagian focus upon mankind.

Uh it it's beautiful. It really really is. Um so in light of that here there's there's the answer to the question. And if the provisionists can't bring themselves to recognize the miraculous nature of of conversion then we need to ask why.

And it's because of their unbiblical anthropology. They've rebelled against that. And as long as they remain rebelling against that they'll never be able to make heads or tails consistently out of scripture.

That's that's just a fact. Um but likewise another guy. Did you all see. You know i should i really really should let me see. I'm sorry. Uh how do i find this. Really fast. Uh excuse me. Uh uh that's not pulling it up.

That's not the way to do it. Let's do it this way. Sorry. There it is. Let me. Um there it is. Okay. Uh we're gonna try to make this. Do you have an almost allergic reaction. Stop talking. Nice tie. He's got on too.

It's not a bow tie. But okay. All. Right ready. Um you're all you're all like. Yeah what are you ready for. What. All right. Let's see. If i can make this work. Do you have an almost allergic reaction anytime you.

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