The Marathon Ends: Final Road Trip DL (for Six Weeks Anyway)

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Well greetings and welcome to the dividing line the last road trip dividing line for about six weeks

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That's not long. I've been out for five So, yeah,

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I've got another trip pretty quick so let me let me tell you right off the bat, um we need to get the roof on the

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RV fixed and And Literally I'm down to the wood up here

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Today was really windy 20 25 30 mile per hour headwinds all the way.

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So if I'm doing you know I'm trying to stay behind trucks You know try to get draft off of them as best you can

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But you're still talking about hundred mile an hour wind, you know, if you're doing you're doing 70 and the winds 30

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Speed limits 80 Yeah, and so the tape has come undone and it's down to the wood up there and so We got it.

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We got to get a good roof put on this thing My real my real concern is if we if we don't if we did have to you know, really consider moving on to a different unit

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We would not we'd not get any resale value out of this if the roofs not right, you know, just It is

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So, I you know, I want to you know run the wheels off this thing so please pray that Look folks.

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I know you don't care about this too much unless you're actually looking about into thinking about getting an

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RV It is hard to find good RV people once in a while you run into him

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There is a guy up in Salt Lake City mobile RV guy, man. He was good I wonder if I have to drive up there have him do it.

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Um, it's hard to find good RV folks right now

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Covid just trashed this this industry. I think

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I've mentioned that When we got the first the grand design

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It just made this horrendous noise every time I turned we found out later. They had not bothered to lubricate

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The the hitch it once they opened it up there was and it was made during Covid and it's just like Skilled workers and everything have it.

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Yeah Or it could just be America as a whole coming apart under the incessant attacks of the left and All the traders are in charge the government.

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So anyway That's another thing that's I mean the invasion going on right now

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The number of terrorists who have come across the southern border I'm just I'm just wondering if they're just waiting for one big day

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Will they take out the entire electrical grid and take us back to 1970? Only a few of us were survive that because we still have our bell bottoms

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Where that came from, but anyway, so Pray that we we get the same fit because I've only got six weeks

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And I've got a big announcement to make right now, I actually made the announcement last night on Jeremiah's The apologetics dog program, but we'll make it now

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Excuse me, I don't know why I'm still doing that but Starting in November of last year

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We began working with pastor Brian Gunter down in Lafayette just outside of Lafayette, Louisiana and Some of you know who

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Brian is from his pro -life work down there and how he worked with end abortion now

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We had the votes to abolish Abortion, Louisiana until the now

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Speaker of the House Nicks that one along with other powerful people But anyways,

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Brian's a great guy and We had talked Because I go through there a good bit and so, you know,

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I'll stop at the church and we'll have lunch and stuff like that Something you can do when you're not flying by the way and but you have to repair the roof so You gotta pay one way or the other

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We started working on He wanted to I had come down there

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Early, but about 18 months ago so ago and did something with about three or four churches on Roman Catholicism it's a very very heavily

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Catholic area and conservative Catholic and not like Boston, which is a heavily

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Catholic area, but good grief, you know and So He was like, you know, well, you think we could find someone to debate and I actually suggested a really conservative guy and He just blew us off.

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I mean Wow It was like, okay so much for you wanting to have an opportunity to evangelize for your faith and so We contacted

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Catholic answers and you know Catholic answers has a lot of speakers, but evidently they're only like two

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Um, maybe three that they would allow to Engage me

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Because we mentioned a few and they didn't even begin to bite on that So what happened was they said well about the only person that we could offer for a debate in April of next year that is now would be

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Jimmy Akin and And So we're like well what we want to do is we want to do a debate

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Where both sides have to make a positive presentation, so instead of it being you know, as It almost always is with Catholic answers one side on the

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Positive affirmation and them on the negative side. We said we want to do a debate Where both sides have to make a positive presentation then you interact in light of those positive presentations

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So we want to do how does a man have peace with God? How does a man have peace with God?

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I think that's a you know, that's the central thesis of my what is it? 1996 book coming up on 30 years now.

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The Roman Catholic controversy is focused on peace with God Jimmy Akin is a former

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Presbyterian I think I actually had contact with him before he converted just or was in the process of conversion

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I think way back long long time ago long long time ago and of course he and I did the

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Bible Answer Man thing that was you know, three hours on that and We did one radio debate once interestingly enough on John 6

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But We had invited him to Be a part of the great debate series on Long Island multiple times.

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You can ask Chris Arnson, but he doesn't like to fly and I think he lives in either

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Alabama or Arkansas or someplace in the south now that starts in a and so Louisiana wouldn't be out of the out of the driving distance thing and So it took quite some time to Try to work this thing through and we weren't we weren't getting a positive answer and we weren't getting a positive answer and and Times running short and you've got to be able to advertise these things and stuff

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And so here's the really interesting aspect of all these of all of this the

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Monday After I debated Trent Horne, so I we did two debates soul scriptura and purgatory and as I've said over and over again

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What was really neat about that was The the conjunction of the two that wasn't my plan

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I Wasn't going let's do these two because it's gonna have this impact. No, I I Would like to be able to claim that but not how it worked and I Just wanted to have one where they're having to defend something and the purgatory debate

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We did was Stravinsky's had been really clarifying and this one was too, but it's putting them together.

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That was really really helpful Because you you hear in the soul scriptura debate

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We have the deposit of faith in a purgatory debate. And the only way we can interpret scripture is by borrowing from left -wing

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Protestants You're like wait a minute if everything you said last night is true.

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You shouldn't be approaching this subject the way you are now So it was really useful The Monday after that so that was

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Friday Saturday The Monday thereafter I Contact Brian.

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I'm like what is going on? Because we keep being told well, you know, we'll we'll let you know, you know next week

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I'll let you know the week after that and we just keep getting put off put off put off put off and you've got to be able to make plans and travel reservations and you know, maybe do some study somewhere along those and And So he calls and he's told what we are just about to contact

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Jimmy Akin says, okay To the topic that you have suggested.

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However He requires that if you're going to do that We need to do two debates.

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Oh Okay, that's Interesting two debates okay, and What would the other debate be on?

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solo scriptura, and I'm like and They had a conversation where they said yes.

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Yes, we watched The debates you did with Trenthorne. So I've I just debated

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Trenthorne on Friday and on Monday To make this debate work.

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I Need the debate Jimmy Akin On the same topic. This will be the fifth time bing bing bing five times

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I've debated representative Catholic answers on solo scriptura. They might dispute one of those Because Gerry Matitix, I'm not sure he was still working for them

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But he hadn't become a study of Akin's just yet at that point So at least four times specifically but five times with representatives that have worked for Catholic answer five times on one subject and Those who listen to this program.

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No, it wasn't it was only last year that in the big studio and We'll do this again.

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We'll do this again Rich has been every time I live when I leave, you know, my wife hides pretty much all my stuff at home

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It'll take me months. And in fact, this is such a quick turnaround that I probably

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I won't even have time to find all my stuff again I have to leave and the wife will hide everything again.

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Just Completely erasing any evidence of my existence. She calls it decluttering. But anyway

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So so I'm sitting here going You know, we'll we will manage in that time period

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I Will put his book Back up on the screen riches riches working in that studio and He's put a whole new podium together and he's doing all this woodworking and he's really doing

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Maximum Tim Taylor stuff. Okay. I mean I am a thousand miles away, but I can still hear

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Coming from rich cuz he's just doing all this stuff and and I'm hoping that That we'll still be able to find a place for my my

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Alpha and Omega Bowtie because I mean that thing it's just so awesomely cool

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So, oh, you know, I need to be double checking here Okay, yeah

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Tobias Raymond Schneider is coming to Phoenix and I'm looking forward to Very much

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Hanging out spending some time Would love to find a way to go shooting because Germans never get to do that You know, maybe we could run over to shooters world or something like that and I can let him

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You know, maybe fire my m500 or something like that, you know, just just to let him know

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You know once the u .s. Falls, this is what we once had type of a situation, but he's actually

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Remembered I played to buy a singing song to remember in German about a

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I don't know a year ago something along those lines and Great brothers over there in Frankfurt and Tobias is actually gonna be preaching an apologia in a couple weeks and Actually, that's just like ten days from now

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So I guess the Sunday after I'll be preaching this coming Sunday coming straight home and straight to work

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That's that's how it works. So anyways, I that that was what was in that was what was on my phone there and I got completely

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Dragged off the off the track there so We will

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I I will put Jimmy Akins book up on the screen. We'll read it in context

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Respond to it again and We'll do it in a debate and it's like Okay But it does

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I think there are a lot of folks that are going. Why would they do that? you just did it and I'm like, yeah,

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I know but If we can get a debate on how a man has peace with God, which is the key issue

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Then great. I'll do it again It's fine, I'm sure it'll be of a different character or something

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But that means we'll have debated Jerry Maddix twice Patrick Madrid Trenthorne and Jimmy Akin, I'm trying to think if there wasn't

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Another one somewhere along the lines. I bet you I bet you Chris Ironson remember But it's at least five.

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It may be more now that I think about it But That will be you know,

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I should have Use me The church will have a website up fairly quickly on this but it will be

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I believe I Think it's the 24th and 25th or it's 22nd 23rd 24th.

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I think it's 24th 25th and then the conference Will be 26 27th and then probably preaching at 28th, that's my guess

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But it's that week the last week in April For the debates and the discussion of Catholicism, so You know if we had people driving long distances for the debates before Come on down And make plans to get to Lafayette and we'll we'll do it again so There you go with the announcement of the upcoming debates

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That will also get us a little bit closer to the big 200 goal

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I'm not sure 200 is a goal. It would be fun But you know everybody's like so you're gonna retire after 200

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I'll retire when the people closest to me Say you're you're not able to do this anymore you know,

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I don't want to I don't want to be like, you know, all these people that retire and then come back and it's not a good thing and stuff like that, so We'll see we'll see

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Right now still enjoying what we're what we're doing and the way that we're we're doing it speaking of enjoying things

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There is a Yet again another Webcast competition going on on Twitter these things got popular a couple years ago and Jeff and I did

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All sorts of Funny stuff About these this competition where you you vote for stuff and a couple times now it's been the dividing line versus apology a radio and I've always won

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No matter what Jeff does He has he has he's put out

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Academy Award Winning performances. He really has he had he had this medical issue and He had just gotten out of the hospital and man he was milking it he's sitting there thumbing through who had voted for whom and you know praising people that had voted for him and then just going after everybody that had voted for me and And oh man, it was it was really well done.

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And and then we did that video Where you know, he's he's hiding Up on the you know, we he had a ninja sword and I had my m500 and and It was it's been great.

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We remember we were playing the football game Unfortunately, we dated ourselves with that.

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Nobody does that anymore We were playing a chess game. Yeah, there was it was great.

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We had a lot of fun and We're on opposite end of the bracket. And so we could end up Back there again, and I have certain plans plans than plans if that happens

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But for example, I might be up against cultish After the current bracket and that's another apology a show and you know, what do you do then?

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But right now The voting right now is me and against chocolate Knox Which I think is just hilarious because Any time

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I walk into a room Chocolate Knox hides I mean You know if he's speaking if I sneak around behind him, he starts getting all nervous.

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It's it's a lot of fun It really is. He's a great guy But he had that guy on that, you know said

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Baptists were responsible for starting transgenderism and That's still you know sort of you know got to keep that in mind and So we started having some fun on Twitter just before the program started and Matt he absolutely

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Went after me here. I'm trying to find the the thing where and everyone's responding to it and and he says

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One of them it says and somehow in all my race baiting I've helped increase the lead for James Yeah, where is what's the current?

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Yeah, I'm at 70 % He's at 30 % So and there's what? 14 hours left in it but you know, he decided to come after me and Put together this really hilarious tweet

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About basically, you know saying to Muslims, you know now's your chance to You know if you hate

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James White then now's now's the time to get your your

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Stuff in here. Let me see here There's so many that have already Responded that I can't

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I can't find that one that one tweet. It was great, too But yeah, it was basically if if everyone who hates

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James White and that is quite a group Would just vote for him Okay, here it is it just popped up it's sometimes hard to find things on Twitter see doc

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I didn't want to do this a hem if you are Muslim and hate James White now is your time to show it if you're

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A Catholic and hate James This is a chance to manifest your revenge on him if you hate the fact James White is now out of the closet

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As a post mill theonomist this too is your moment if the tattoo sleeve James White wears is offensive to your sensibilities wears

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That's not something you can take off buddy it stays see it's real it's it's it goes all the way up It is offensive to your sensibilities.

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Don't miss this opportunity Remember you're not voting for me. No, you're voting against him and this moment might be your only moment to give him an

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L and Look, I don't believe James White all capitals is Racist.

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I don't know if his family owned slaves. We came from Scotland. We were slaves. What are you talking about? I don't know if he still has any somewhere hidden.

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I'm just saying he got white in the name No, so he says that he got white in the name and he knows how to talk is

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Voting white voting, right? Is this low -key white supremacy just questions we have to ask.

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That's all Go do what you must do quickly Eric Kahn says my main regret in life is that I have but one vote to give chocolate

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Knox To which I responded Wow, wow, just wow this proves chocolate

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Knox does think Baptists are to blame for transgenderism. Okay. Well if we're gonna go nuclear in these final hours, they need to let everyone know

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And then all caps I put chocolate Knox taught latent flowers everything latent flowers knows about Calvinism It's true.

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So do with that golden nugget what you will Know Look Chocolate Knox.

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I've got a I've got a dividing line, you know, I you don't mm -hmm. Don't Son, you don't know.

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No, right right before I'm gonna do a dividing line. Oh, you know, you don't go after me then bad timing

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Well, it'll be fun it'll it's it's it's enjoyable it's fun And right now we're trying to get

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Keith Foskey through he's up against this haunted cosmos people I I'll be honest don't know anything about it

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But I said the cosmos isn't haunted and therefore we need to vote for Keith Foskey Well, I mean if he's not in it anymore, you're not gonna have any awesome classic videos being produced

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About the competition So I I just think we need to get Keith as far as we can until he's up against me and then we have to crush him, but Up till then we're good

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So anyways, yes Twitter is a fun fun fun fun fun place.

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It really is. All right Speaking of how fun it is. I Have a

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Screenshot here and I We can get we can get serious now

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This morning, by the way, I was informed of the fact that after the why

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Calvinism conference in Tullahoma And remember

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I debated Jason Bretta on the atonement there a

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Debate review Was recorded and One of the people that came to that debate and also came to Leighton flowers and I debate in Houston getting

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Kevin Thompson and I recognized him because Kevin Thompson is a radical anti -calvinist.

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I mean radical radical anti -calvinist and he's also a King James only guy and And not a good one either as far as the quality of materials concern and so I was wondering what

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You know Leighton flowers hangs out with some really interesting people and the only thing it seems to really bind them together is their detestation of reformed theology and so I was informed this morning about this debate review and Look, I have to have to say

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Leighton flowers did disagree So you got to give him credit on that one?

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He disagreed because Kevin Thompson's sitting there going The kids the kids are terrible

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They're just all over the place and it tells you a lot about the people that were coming to this and I'm sitting here going What and then they have some lady some young lady who claims to be a former

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Calvinist It's it the the parallels that I see between the provisionist playground folks

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And the conversion stories and stuff like this

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It's very similar to when people become Roman Catholics Very similar behavior and and mindsets and attitude.

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It's very strange But You know this Thompson goes after the people and their kids and they were

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Running a little place and out of control and this tells tells you a lot about what these people are and stuff like that and Leighton's like um,

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I was there longer than you were I I got to go out to dinner with a few people and I just didn't see that And that's because it didn't exist

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Were there kids there? Yeah, thankfully Um, were they Misbehaving and stuff.

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No, I never saw it. I mean I was in the room where you do a lot of the interviewing stuff that Keith was set up in there and dead men walking were in there and and so I spent a lot of time in there and some of the kids would would come over and ask to play with something or You know

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What normal kids do I can't imagine what he would do at Apologia It's not the kids are running around out of control

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But Yeah, we got a lot of kids There's something about you know, the family and stuff like that so I would so I listened to the beginning of this review this morning and I was like wow, this is

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So sad to see this kind of behavior from these people and it's just getting worse and worse.

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It seems to be Accelerating not decelerating normally by now, you know Tomorrow will be a week since the debate you'd have some

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De -escalation by now, but doesn't seem to be doesn't seem to be happening I get home tomorrow.

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By the way, I am so very thankful I hope and pray that there'll still be a roof on this thing, but there maybe the wind won't be quite as bad tomorrow

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But yeah, I'm really looking forward to get it to getting home cuz I've got to take my wife to the airport She's going to see her dad.

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Hi. Bye Sort of how it works this time of life, but looking forward to get to do that anyway

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So I'm not seeing any, you know Slowing down of the rhetoric and stuff from the from the other side

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But one of the interesting takeaways from the debate from We could go tomorrow was the issue of the nature of conversion and it was an audience question and It wasn't addressed to me.

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So that means I got all of 30 seconds. I wonder if any of you who've ever sat back and Thought you know,

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I could do a better job than those guys do. Have you ever? have you ever, you know got a timer out and Practiced and And gone, okay

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What if I was asked this question and now you have you have 60 seconds if it's asked of you and Then 30 seconds to comment on what the other guy said that You have zero time for prep.

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You can't have any notes You don't know how the guy is gonna answer the question and You you have to You really have to hit it

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And try to do so in such a fact, I mean normally I'm sitting there listening And I'm in 60 seconds there might be two or three points that I want to try to hit on and I have to prioritize which one do

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I have? You know, you're only gonna get to one thing in 30 seconds Unless you just make a super brief comment and then another one right after that that you can't really say much

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It's very challenging It is not easy to do and if you've never tried it

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Be a little gracious toward those of us who do it regularly it is somewhat challenging to be able to do that the question on whether conversion is a miracle and Matt Estes reminded me that back in The first I think was the first debate that they had at first Lutheran when

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Leighton and another guy took on the two weird Calvinists In his

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Ending statement Leighton did make an amazing assertion. This was years ago

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That just as God could create Criatio ex nihilo Um, we since we're made in the image of God can

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Create faith out of nothing and I remember Listening that going where what what where did that come from?

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How strange is that? But when you think about it their position cannot allow for conversion to be a miracle

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Because that would mean It has to be initiated by the power of God right

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Not just by because because in his answer He talked about you know, all the miracles that surround conversion.

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You have to have the gospel and and things like that, but everybody heard

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He didn't answer the question is conversion itself miraculous and My response was

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I I Said he takes out a heart of stone and gives a heart of flesh. That's the greatest miracle that takes place

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Conversion is absolutely miraculous because it's the work of God And I didn't have to say much more than that But just today

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I Grabbed a screenshot. Um, oh, wait a minute.

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Wait a minute a Family member has tweeted Hmm that is odd Is it says it's an even race

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I don't see it saying that but anyway Family members commenting you better better find out what they're saying before they say something that you know,

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I'm done the same Layton flowers wrote this when a Calvinist asks if you believe conversion is a miracle.

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So again the audience question They're meaning quote is your decision to trust in Christ?

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effectually caused by miraculous work of God and quote Yeah Because now again, he doesn't believe you're dead in sin.

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He doesn't have a biblical anthropology he has a Pelagian anthropology really does and Every day he's gonna get closer and closer to that Just watch just watch

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I don't see Layton flowers moving toward a consistent understanding of Romans chapter 5

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I See him moving far far away over time and It's not it's not like well,

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I'm just gonna take this position and I'm gonna stay here that's not what we've seen and When it when it comes to these issues, there will be constant pressure and when there's constant pressure on you

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And you've already compromised on the only biblical foundations you can have then you're gonna keep moving so Every non

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Calvinist throughout Christian history as if he has a clue

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Says no to that question really

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Oh So acting as if it's a newfound heresy of sorts is nonsense.

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No, it's not this is this goes back to This this is it's fundamental the

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Reformation he's on the anti Reformed side he's against the Reformation This goes back to Augustine who he called who he he's still promoting the

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Ken Wilson fantasy stuff Manichaean Man the elect

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Manichaeans pooping light Stowe it's just what it is.

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It's it remains the Absurdity that it was when it was first published It remains absurd to this day, but he's fully sold out to it but Again anyone who knows church history

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When it when it says every non Calvinist throughout Christian history Says no to the question.

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He's literally saying that he can prove a unanimous view of all

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Christians in church history because if non Calvin has to be before Calvin everybody before Calvin had to all agree on this stuff

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On this issue that conversion is non -miraculous Now With all due respect

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We've caught Layton flowers demonstrating Really basic ignorance of church history

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He didn't know who Clement was and he couldn't didn't tell which Clement was which and and I'm sorry

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He just he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to church history but Even if he were an expert in church, well if he was an expert in church history, he'd never say this

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Because the reality is that especially in the early period

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The not only is the documentation we have of what people believe fragmentary

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Very rarely. Do we have everything that someone has taught from that time period?

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But this wasn't the fundamental focus of what was being written I mean The apologists, okay, they're dealing with Roman persecution.

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This isn't the topic that they're writing about so a Serious person who who takes church history seriously, maybe you know has taught it for 30 years something like that Professor of it.

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Maybe something like that. It's just not gonna make that kind of wild crazy statement and Since he doesn't realize it's a wild crazy statement that just proves the point

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If someone who isn't presupposing TULIP would like to discuss what aspects of our salvation is

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Miraculous, I don't think he proofread this. I'm fixing the grammar errors Would like to discuss what aspects of our salvation are miraculous, then

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I'd be happy to do so So he's hearing What a lot of people are saying and That is that question demonstrated

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That he is on his way to full -blown plagiarism. He really is Conversion is absolutely positively

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Miraculous, and I will remind you of the words of Ezekiel 36 now just briefly in passing

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Ezekiel 36 is one of the key passages in the background of A lot of the terminology that's used in the gospel of John so it's relevant to the

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John 6 debate as well Ezekiel 36 25 then

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I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean now the

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Roman Catholics and sacramentalists, you know automatically they've got their their lenses that they're reading everything through Stuff that's developed later on The reality is you will be clean.

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I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean This is this is really Christ mechanism of cleansing his people

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I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your idols Go to Titus 2 in fact,

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I'll be going to Titus 2 here in a second. So don't bother Moreover I will give you a new heart

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And put a new spirit within you. Can I just ask you to think for a moment?

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Is that miraculous I will give you a new heart, you know,

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I've had heart surgery It wasn't miraculous, but it was certainly beyond What mankind had been able to do until probably the 1980s?

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So that's sort of miraculous But it wasn't a new heart

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We just tried to fix something and failed In in my current heart but I will give you a new heart and Put a new spirit within you if your theology

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Requires you to think that that's not miraculous You have departed far far far from any kind of Orthodox understanding of Scripture and you might want to ask yourself.

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Why am I so afraid of Recognizing and confessing the necessity of The work of the

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Spirit Why do I think man has such a capacity that his old heart is good enough his old spirit is good enough

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No, it's not and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh

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That was the reference that I made during the debate Because you know we could talk about the value of the dry bones there's a miracle for you and that's conversion and Here's another picture.

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I will remove the heart of stone 36 26 if you're wondering where we are

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Ezekiel 36 26 and I'll remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh

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That is more as miraculous as it can be if you can't see that you are Blind you've been blinded by your traditions and I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes

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And you'll be careful to do my judgments. Oh, isn't it interesting? Ezekiel 36 and Hmm Jeremiah 31

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I Will write my laws upon their hearts The same it's the same concept.

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Oh, but wait a minute What are the two possible sources?

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for Jesus's citation in John 6 45 They shall all be taught of God well, it's

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Isaiah 54 and Jeremiah 31 Really, isn't it?

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Beautiful. It really is. I it's It's beautiful to see the woven fabric of divine revelation

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If you'll allow it to be that if you won't chop it up into pieces so you can maintain your

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Pelagian focus upon mankind it it's beautiful.

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It really really is So In light of that here there's there's the answer to the question and if the provisionists can't bring themselves to recognize the miraculous nature of Conversion then we need to ask why and it's because of their unbiblical anthropology

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They've rebelled against that and as long as I remain rebellion against that they'll never be able to make heads or tails

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Consistently out of Scripture, that's that's just a fact but likewise

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Another guy did you all see you know, I should I really really should let me see.

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Excuse me Uh That's not pulling it up that's not the way to do it let's do it this way

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It's not a bowtie, but okay. All right Huh ready

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We need to vote for Keith Foskey so he can keep making these these things. And by the way

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Keith You missed one real obvious good shot there you really did 800 milligrams,

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I know five milligrams five points five milligrams Maybe six milligrams, you know, cuz

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I like the six point but you know So You threw that out there and some guy

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I don't know who it is some guy responded with something for PDS provisionalist derangement syndrome and one of the things that he said along the line was

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James White's Massacring of Greek or something like that. And I'm just I just I just want to say to him

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Prove it buddy. Just just back it up prove it because none of you have

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AI doesn't do it People haven't done their homework on John 6 that haven't done it yet. You haven't you haven't proven it, but he also

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You know, he was riffing off of what Keith had said in his and so he he says something along the lines of do you have a extreme negative reaction to the grace of God has appeared bring salvation to all men and Immediately started thinking about where that's from it's from Titus chapter 2 and One of my favorite texts of Scripture and so I wanted to look at Titus chapter 2 and In light of the fact that this guy whatever the guy's name was

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I forgot to look Mentioned it to you was From a provisionist perspective was trying to respond to Keith's very funny video.

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So let's Go over here and we'll do that and Look at Titus chapter 2 to wrap things up today on the last road trip

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DL for about a month and a half before we head off to the debates with Jimmy Akin in In Louisiana, um for the grace of God has appeared bring salvation to all men

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Instructing us by Jews Instruction, but it's it's also instruction of children training

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You know, you can see that in by you I do sir Instructing us teaching us

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That denying ungodliness and worldly desires we should live sensibly righteously and godly in the present age

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Looking for the blessed hope in the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ who gave himself for us that he might redeem us from all lawlessness and Purify for himself a people for his own possession zealous for good works now what

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I We could do the same thing and maybe we will Oh And I forgot well, we'll see the the stream seems solid so And I got nothing else to do tonight other than go to sleep get up in the morning and head home

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So I might get to it. I need to Make a comment about Bob Gagnon and the fact that he's gone now to a

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Wesleyan school and As a result has been posting stuff against reformed theology on Facebook now what's interesting just real quickly

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He did that years ago. I think when he first left I'm not sure if he was still

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PC USA at that time or not, but it's around the time. I think he went to Houston Baptist And I started engaging him on Facebook.

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I hate doing stuff at Facebook, but I did and It was comments on John 6

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That I wrote a fairly lengthy response to him on as if I could ever find that again and He's back at again, and he he he stopped

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He didn't respond to me and he didn't he didn't post anything more So, um, but he's doing that again.

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And so I did want to look at what he had said about John 639 so briefly

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The use by this provisionist fellow of Titus 2 11 for the grace of God has appeared bringing salvation to all men

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If you stop there and it's the exact same situation Hebrews chapter 2 It'd be good to look at that sometime.

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We have in years past but You know, I've been doing this for four decades now

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If you just read that and that's what the quotation from the guy was You can import

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All sorts of stuff into that so this sounds like a provisionist statement

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God has Brought salvation to every single individual.

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So it's just it's it's peanut butter grace It's just spread all over out there and it's up to you to stick your finger in and have some peanut butter grace

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Unless you read the rest of the sentence That's the problem with so much

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Evangelical theology is you you need to actually read the rest of it This grace instructs and Who does it instruct us?

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It is it is grace that has an impact. It has a power. It has a capacity.

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It has an ability This isn't some kind of prevenient grace This grace

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Instructs us in order that we should deny ungodliness and worldly desires is that what's happening with every single human being is is every

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Buddhist in Japan Is every

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Hindu in India being taught by God's grace to deny ungodliness and worldly desires if You make all men pass in on throw boys

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Individualistically Extensive to all of humanity then you're stuck with that, but that's not what

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Paul was saying to Titus He recognizes the gospel is drawing together body of Christ made up of Jews and Gentiles and all sorts of different kinds of people and That's what the all -man is

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The grace of God has appeared bring salvation to all kinds of men and Then you can let the rest of the sentence make sense

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Instructing us because it's powerful grace. It has a specific purpose Denying ungodliness and worldly desires.

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We should live. Who are we followers of Christ should live sensibly

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Righteously and godly in the present age. So who is the us of verse 12?

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it's believers made up of all kinds of men and We are described as those in verse 13 that are looking

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For the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ That's descriptive of what it means to be a

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Christian. So this is the grace that actually saves Not that makes salvation possible or provides salvation

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It creates a people who are looking for the blessed up not trying not with their cooperation

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Not with their non -miraculous conversions It actually accomplishes it and creates a people

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Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ the text and guards the deity of Christ Who gave himself for us?

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Who pair him own? Substitutionary atonement for a purpose

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That he might redeem us from all lawlessness The terminology here the language coming direct grass straight of the

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Greek Septuagint from the Old Testament in regards to Yahweh That's one of the reasons you can demonstrate that Titus 2 13 is a section about the deity of Christ because Titus 2 14 is language that's used of Yahweh's redeeming of his people and Yet it's applied to Jesus we could have gotten into that with Dale Tuggy That he might redeem us us from all lawlessness and purify for himself a people for his own possession

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Exodus 19 5 Deuteronomy 4 20 etc, etc Zealous for good works this is

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What the purpose of Christ in his self -giving was that means this is saving grace it actually accomplishes

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What God intends and creates the people of God? So, um if you actually read

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The text you come to discover what it's actually all about rather than just isolating one little section so Um, how do

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I there we go now I had There it is there it is so Someone people started sending me a couple days ago

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Bob Gagnon started posting on Facebook And he went he went through the

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Hebrews passages and you know If I had had the time or the inclination

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I thought about posting in response links to my sermon series on Hebrews specifically to each of the passages maybe to the debate with Trent Horne on that subject and You know, we may go ahead and go go through them again.

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It's always worthwhile doing so I know he made comments about Hebrews 6 and and even though he mentioned verse 9

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Better things things which accompany salvation. It's right there in the text. It's just right there

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But no, no, no, this is this is true apostasy not just leaving the congregation We're not just talking about people who've made a profession of faith and then leave no, these are people who were literally regenerate in Christ and yet the text says but we are convinced of better things for you things which accompany salvation, but The one that was said to me this morning,

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I think This says two days ago and I'm wondering honestly if this isn't the same stuff that he posted before In other words a couple years ago when

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I did respond to it and I don't have the whole screen here

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Unfortunately, but here's what it says. John 639 is one of the main proof text used to promote a doctrine of eternal security

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I Love Bob Gagnon I'm so thankful for all the work that he's done the subject of homosexuality and a lot of people would say don't respond to this

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Type of thing because if you demonstrate exegetical problems there, doesn't that mean they're exegetical problems elsewhere?

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no, we need to be right up front and and honest and dealing with these things and I never understood why

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Bob was at a PCUSA seminary, but it was still a

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P Presbyterian Because a Presbyterian Now unless he's saying look,

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I'm not talking about what we foreign people believe I'm talking about what evangelicals believe and so I'm only talking about eternal security over against the perseverance of saints

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I really doubt that maybe possibly again. I just have this one screenshot. So And it's on Facebook and I hate

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Facebook. Um But it's just strange that doctrine of eternal security. That's not how a former professor at a

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Presbyterian seminary Would normally express it Taken in isolation

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It seems to demonstrate just that This is the well the one who sent me that everything that he has given me

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I will not lose from it ie that I will not lose anything of what has been given to me But we'll raise it up on the last day.

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Well in isolation No, you need to go back verse 36. You've seen me you do not believe

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Verse 37 all the father gives me will come to me the one coming to me. I will never cast out

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Why will I never cast out one who comes to me because I've come down from heaven not do my own will but the will of him who sent me and This is the will of the one who sent me that of all that he's given me

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I lose none of it, but raise it up on the last day. So yes Christ has to have the power

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In fact, isn't this interesting the provisionists agree with us, I think

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I think because it seems like Layton flowers agreed with this portion of John 6 and it seems like they actually have the idea of the some form of eternal security

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How that could even begin to work I don't know how you can have you have libertarian freedom to come to the father.

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Therefore you're given to the son And you have to come to the Sun or something and is that even true again today

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It is so confusing and that's because it's brand -new. It's evolving It'll continue to evolve over time

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But it is interesting that it almost sounds like the provisionist wouldn't be taking this perspective.

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Anyway In the context of the whole of John's gospel, however

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It does not prove eternal security it demonstrates what Jesus reiterates in the very next verse

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That everyone who is seeing the Son and believing in him has eternal life and I Jesus will raise up on the last day

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But the believing in him is not the one -time act that many promoters of eternal security make it out to be

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Rather it is a continuous state of being that must persist in the whole of one's Christian life

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If you have a faith that agrees with Paul's own Galatians 2 first Corinthians 15 Romans 1 again

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If all he's reacting to is our mini it not our minion even non reformed evangelical promotion of once saved always saved then this would make sense and I Just have to point out

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Um when I mentioned in passing during the debate the present tense participles the one seeing

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The the one looking the one believing the one coming when

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I pointed that out That was one of the things that this septuagint scholar guy Took took difference with I guess he'd take difference with Bob Gagnon to Don't know but But reformed exegetes have recognized and emphasized the fact that in John Saving faith is present tense.

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It's ongoing in contrast to aorist and pluperfect. I think that I don't care how strongly you try to do the

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Unless the context pushes it the context is pushing it in regards to the the aspect voice

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Everything that's coming out of out of John so Those who do not persist in faith by failing to bear fruit

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I eat live transfer life are presented in John 15 1 through 17 as being like branches that are kind of off the vine

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I agree But the only ones that are actually saved in John 15 are those who bear fruit in the first place

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So none of that actually deals with John 6. I'm gonna have to try to find this and see if there's any more commentary because Quoting verse 39 without seeing its flow from 37 following and then how it's connected to 44 to 45.

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I Just it's been years. It was just a Facebook thing But this sounds really really familiar

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And I think it's the same stuff that he posted before that I refuted before and then it ended the conversation

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He didn't respond to my stuff And I suppose if I had some clue as to how you could go back and find what you've written on Facebook But I'm not even no don't even send me the stuff.

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I don't want to know I'll have to try to look for it and and respond to some some

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But wait a minute oh Oh Look at that.

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Okay. I just saw this The vine the branches

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John 15 1 through 17 a response to James White So this is this is the stuff from a few years ago.

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He's reposting stuff From before yeah, it's it's and like I said

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You know, it's possible that I didn't see his responses years ago

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But my recollection was I wrote a lengthy response and that was it there was no more discussion

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So maybe he's just reposting stuff like that. I don't know but Tony Costa sent this to me.

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So there you go So maybe that'll end up resulting in some type of a conversation, but it it is interesting

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That Robert Gagnon would go from Presbyterian to Houston Baptist to now a

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Westland Church Um That's intriguing. Um, I Haven't changed in all that time

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Well, you changed your eschatology. Yeah, it's not the same thing really really really isn't the same thing at all so as I said, um

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Lord willing I get home tomorrow 35 Challenging difficult days on the road five debates teaching at the seminary conferences sermons a

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Lot of physical challenges that I'm still facing and Now issues with the

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RV So If you want to keep doing this type of stuff

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You know what to do We we don't have any big Supporters out there that make it all work for us it's regular folks that make it all happen, so The travel fund

01:07:10

Will be taxed in getting stuff fixed look at a possibility of new tires simply because I Cannot even imagine what it would be like to be on the side of a superhighway like I 10 trying to change a tire on one of these things because you have to use the jacks to lift it up and I don't know if You've ever been in one of these

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Parked along the side of a freeway when a truck goes by Yeah, I want to have good tires on if that's okay