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And then a mother letting their son become transgender, that's extreme hate, letting children change their gender.

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I think that's one of the greatest evils I can even imagine going on.

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And people thinking it's loving, and people thinking it's good, people fighting for it, even at that library meeting, people fighting for nonsense like that, they're just so delusional and deranged and given over to false thinking and false desires.

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It's still wrong. It was wrong 10 ,000 years ago, or 6 ,000 years ago, and it's still wrong today, and it's going to be wrong forever.

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Welcome to Tearin' Down Hot Places.

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My name's Average Joe, here with Pastor Jeff and Pastor Tim. Once again, Cornerstone Church, Mount Laurel, New Jersey.

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Welcome, gentlemen. Glad to be here. Glad to be here, Joe. I'm glad that you're here, Tim. We had so much fun before the show, and I'm still laughing, but we're here to talk about some serious things.

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But you know what? We don't take it too seriously. Why is that? Anybody got a good theological reason for that?

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Because Christ already won, so we know how this all... Providence is over everything. He's going to work all things together for our good.

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But man, it could be more or less painful, I think, based on how the culture goes. I agree.

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Tim, what do you think? Sorry, can you repeat the question, Joe? Well, I just said, so why aren't we dour?

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Why aren't we having so much fun documenting the destruction of human civilization?

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Oh, man. Hey, there's a season to be happy, season to be sad.

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I don't know. It's just the way God made us. But I think that when you're a believer, and you know you have eternal life, and you know

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God is on the throne. You know God loves you. He wants what's good for you. No one can really be against you if God is for you.

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Stuff like that, it gives us happiness and joy. It's part of the fruit of the Spirit. It comes with new life, so we can be a little happy about things.

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Sure, we get sad over things, but there's different seasons, I think. I find myself laughing at myself.

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Yeah, and then you got that. Rejoice always. So to say the same thing, rejoice.

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We're allowed to do that. Yeah, I'm always laughing at myself. I'm like, man, what a fool I am. I can't believe,

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I'm so grateful that God pulled me out of this foolish thing, and I can't wait until the next thing gets exposed. So anyway, we're talking about a serious topic today.

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So I just wanted to let people know, hang in there. If this sounds too dry, too depressing, there's always joy in the morning, right?

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So we're praying for new situations. I wanted to report, and I reported this to you guys already, about a guy

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I know by the name of Jeff Younger. He's actually got a show. It's at Jeff Younger Show.

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I guess you get that on X. But this is the message he put out, and I'll pop it up later for everyone to see.

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He writes, I lost all parental rights to my sons. Goodbye, boys.

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Perhaps we will meet when you are adults. California Judge Juhas gave my ex -wife authority to castrate my son,

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James. All contact with my boys must be supervised. I won't do that.

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I send letters and gifts to my sons. My ex is not required to give them to the boys. I cannot post pictures of my sons.

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Let my story be a cautionary one for young men. Fathers have no rights to their children.

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Do not enter the family law system. Heartbreaking.

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Yeah, he got 5 ,600 likes. Ivan was sharing with us earlier that he knew about this story for the last four years.

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I've known about it longer. I actually met Jeff at a parents' rights march down in Washington, D .C.

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It was a three -day event. One day, we spent door -knocking in the House of Representatives and the

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Senate, trying to get people to talk to us. I actually got Senator Menendez's legal staff to have an hour -and -a -half meeting with me and another gentleman.

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The following day, we did a march. It was from the White House to the Supreme Court steps.

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We did a lot of stuff, but nothing really changed. Nothing changes a lot in family court. It's been a problem for a long time.

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This is something that I asked you guys to talk about today.

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I think it really highlights for people who think the family court is something they're grateful hasn't touched their family.

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At least, maybe not their direct family. I think it's something we need to, as Christians, look at.

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We're called to leave an inheritance to our grandchildren. It's not a material inheritance, primarily.

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Although, a material inheritance is good and should be part of that, right? It's a spiritual inheritance, right,

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Jeff? Yeah, absolutely. Just to bring clarity here, what happened to Younger?

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How is he losing his son? His wife and he got divorced.

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The wife claims that the child, who is a boy, wants to be a girl. For years, they've been fighting in court, probably six or seven years now.

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The mother, who's a pediatrician, desires to have the child chemically castrated.

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There's been fights. It's gone back and forth. There's been documented corruption. We can probably get either these guys on or some of the people that documented it to come in and talk about some of the details.

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I wasn't able to get a hold of Jeff Younger, but I was able to get a hold of Jeff Morgan, who I've interviewed before.

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He's a no -fault divorce specialist and an advocate to get rid of no -fault divorce in the state of Texas.

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He was documenting this case and filed multiple complaints with the

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Texas Ethics Board, the Judicial Conduct Board, and the Texas Ethics Commission.

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I'm just reading some of the notes I wrote as I spoke to Jeff because I wanted to get some insight on what happened.

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This is just happening. Just now, he lost a battle in California.

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It's the California Supreme Court, I believe. I think the next step is the

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Supreme Court of the U .S. if he can get this case in front of it. That would be huge. What's happening here is just the complete breakdown of society and really at the level of marriage.

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It's so clear from the Scripture that marriage is between one man and one woman for life.

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When God's design is disregarded and a family is just torn apart, the casualty, it sounds like, is the children.

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Here, this kid is growing up confused, and the mother wants to affirm him in his desire to change genders.

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The father has no rights at all to protect his own son from such mutilation by a so -called medical professional.

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One, it should be illegal to even perform something like that.

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Two, how could you do it if both parents are not even consenting to it? It's just such a mess in the beginning.

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We have to be wise as Christians and as people who our spouse is going to be.

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That poor guy, he obviously picked a bad wife, and now his children are suffering for it.

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It's such a mess. This is why I try to teach the youth. Someone taught me the biggest decision that you make in life is one, deciding to follow

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Jesus, but second is whether or not you get married and who you get married to. It could ruin your life.

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Even Proverbs talks about how it's better to live on top of your roof than with a quarrelsome wife.

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This is just outrageous. This is happening to that guy. He can't even protect his own son.

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He says his one son is going to be mutilated. What do you do in that situation? I think

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I'm going to try to kidnap the son. I would hope someone would save me because that son is in trouble.

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I don't want people to think that this is unique. I want people to recognize the only thing that allowed this guy to keep fighting, and the reason this has gone on for seven years is because you've got two people with a lot of money.

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This just happens. You go into court. As soon as you run out of money, you're done. If one person has a significant advantage because of financial resources, you're done.

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It's a very common thing to lose your children in family court. I lost mine.

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I lost my daughter. I haven't seen her in nine and a half. It's very common.

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What I've found is that people that I talk to, Christians, are not familiar with a lot of these things because their immediate family may not have gone through it.

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They may not know what no -fault divorce is. They may not know how much power the family court has.

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They may not understand that you don't have the same rights as a criminal, and you don't have the same rights as a civil court person.

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It's a completely separate court that wasn't mentioned in the Constitution on purpose because the

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Constitution is a very short document. It takes 27 minutes to read. If it's not in there, we're not supposed to be doing it.

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Anyway, I digress. What I'd love to see is

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Christians rethink, why should we have the same marriage and divorce structure that a pagan does?

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Shouldn't we demand under religious freedom, while we still have it, and now we may even have some representation at the federal level, why don't we have a uniquely biblical marriage?

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Something that each party would be able to say, this is the covenant I want to enter into.

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This is the covenant I want to enter into, and then they agree to that. How do we get here,

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Jeff? One of the problems is we've become evangelifish instead of evangelicals.

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We never would even talk about these things in many evangelical churches because who goes through 1

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Corinthians 7 and talks about marriage? Who exposes that? Many churches will only touch about the gospel and not even bring up these kinds of issues, whether in the pulpit or...

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One of the things that we do at Tearing Down High Places is we're going to talk about anything and everything that matters.

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Christians need to understand, and we're doing it right now. We're talking about it right now. 1 Corinthians 7,

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I believe it's verse 39. A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives.

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But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the

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Lord. The first big thing, Tim, you already said it, is we need to be careful to marry believers only.

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In church, we would not... Our church would not marry a believer and an unbeliever together.

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They're going to have to go somewhere else if they're going to do that. That's not us. We would only marry a believer to a believer.

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Now, do you think, Jeff, someone that thought they were marrying a Christian, found out later that they weren't, would that be a violation of the covenant, or should it be a violation of the covenant?

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Yeah, so that unfortunately will happen often to very faithful Christians, that they think they've married a spouse that's a believer, but later they go out from us to show that they never really were of us.

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Apostasy is a real thing in the Bible, and so is a period of backsliding, that for a time, you can be under God's discipline, and that will wreak just complete havoc in the marriage, which is why marriage is not just to be this, you know, contract that we can just dissolve as needed, right?

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So historically, the church was very involved with marriage, and to end a marriage required help beyond just the two parties.

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In fact, that's in the Westminster Confession. So Westminster is a great guide on marriage. It has just six short statements in that particular section.

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What section is it? I got it right here. The Westminster Confession, Chapter 24. But listen to this last article about it.

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Although the corruption of man be such as is apt to study arguments unduly to put asunder those whom

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God hath joined together in marriage, meaning people can come up with their reasons. They can justify themselves and claim that they have grounds for divorce, right?

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Whether it's adultery or desertion or whatever their argument is. Yet, nothing but adultery or such willful desertion as can no way be remedied by the church or civil magistrate is cause sufficient of dissolving the bond of marriage.

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They cite Matthew 19, 8 and 9, 1 Corinthians 7, 15, and Matthew 19, 6.

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But it's saying nothing warrants divorce but adultery or such willful desertion as cannot be remedied by the church.

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Meaning the church has to first be involved before the couple decides for themselves to end this thing.

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And then it goes on to say, a public orderly course of proceeding is to be observed and the persons concerned in it not left to their own wills and discretion in their own case.

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And they cite Deuteronomy 24, 1 -4. So the point is, it's not just this, hey, we decided to get married and that's our free will choice.

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And therefore, we can end it whenever we want. The idea is God was in this. The church recognizes it's not just a contract.

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It's a contract and a covenant between God. And God is in the midst of that union. And so you can't just dissolve what

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God is in. And Jesus said that in Matthew 10. What God has joined together, let not men separate.

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Amen. Just divorce. And I think to answer your question,

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Joe, it's God bringing them together. So you shouldn't have it in your contract that if they switch to saying they're an unbeliever, then the unbeliever will depart and that's fine.

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But when you look even in the Old Testament before the church, and we were reading it in our study, Jacob, he thought he was signing up for Rachel.

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And he got Leah, but he didn't divorce Leah. Leah really should have been his true wife.

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And that's who Judah came through. And that's who Jesus eventually came through. So I think it's God's design.

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And it's God bringing people together. Whether they enjoy their marriage or endure their marriage, they're really supposed to be one because they're one flesh.

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Is that prescriptive or descriptive though? I would argue descriptive.

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I think Jacob was unique in that I think God let him be punished.

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Because he's a liar. I think that's part of it, but it's still God bringing them together.

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Yeah. And there's no argument that Jacob makes like, hey, you tricked me. Therefore, this consummation of this marriage is not valid.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I can't.

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I can't go there. Yeah, it's messy. I won't argue with it. Yeah.

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But I think that in our culture, in where we are now, because we've kind of cornered ourselves into a position where we have submitted to pagans and to pagan design for marriage.

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They have hoodwinked gullible Christians who haven't studied the scriptures.

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And I'll be the first one to say I was hoodwinked even though my divorce was happening.

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I was a believer since 2003. And my spouse left me the first time in 2004.

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And I hung in there. And she came back after eight months. And we stayed married until 2012 when she left me again.

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And then I pursued her again. I was advised to pursue her again. We went after about 100 different counseling sessions while she was not living with me, which is unbiblical as well.

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But I wouldn't have pursued her if only I read 1 Corinthians 7 where it says, if the unbelieving spouse abandons you, you are free.

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And actually, it cost me a lot by hanging in there. Because during that time, that's when my daughter was brainwashed and taught to hate me.

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I should have read the scripture. My point is, this is common. I thought it was completely unique the first time

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I heard about it. Because judges have a thing that they use very liberally, although it's unconstitutionally, they do it all the time, called a gag order.

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And they put a gag order on you. And if you violate that gag order, not only does that impact your case, but they can very quickly and immediately put you in jail for violating a judge's order.

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They do it all the time. You can't even speak up for truth and righteousness. Like this father that we're talking about today, he can't speak.

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He's limited. He's not allowed to post pictures of his child. He's not allowed to talk about the child in certain contexts.

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There were gag orders all throughout his trial where he's chastised.

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And I know plenty of guys that have gone to prison. I mean, not prison. They've gone to jail. Another thing we've got to be mindful of is thou shall not bear false witness.

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When the mother or the father is talking trash about the other parent to the kid, the kid's minds are so easily manipulated to where they can make out the father to be like this evil guy that he might actually be a pretty good guy.

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The saying in family court is the first one to lie wins. Right, and it's still not good.

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Why would they say that, Joe? Why would they say the first one to lie wins? Because they're the first ones to level an accusation of he's abusive or something, or she's abusive.

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The first one to lawyer up, the lawyer usually tells that person you're going to lose your kids unless you defame your spouse.

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This can happen to a man or a woman. It doesn't matter. It goes both ways. More often it's told to the woman because she can be manipulated that way more so than the man,

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I think. But it ends up being that way. So what they do is you've got to tear down his character and you've got to be the first one to do it.

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We have to file in New Jersey a temporary restraining order. In Pennsylvania it's called a protective order where you file and say this person could be the male or female is so dangerous we've got to get protection from the court to keep them away.

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And in that you have to list a bunch of things that makes that person wicked and evil and a danger to you.

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And you can file that against anyone you've lived with at any time. That is very effective in court once you get that in place.

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So that's the weapon. And what's crazy about this, it's like the lawyer a lot of lawyers are accused of doing this.

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They're solidifying their case because you can't if you have a protective order or a restraining order against you, you can't contact the other person at all.

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You can't do any counseling. You can't make up. You can't have any communication at all.

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So that just solidifies that the divorce will take place and the attorneys will get paid.

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So very common. In fact, there's a video I have of an attorney in Texas by the way.

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A district attorney teaching family law attorneys how to use the criminal code inside a protective order to win their family law case.

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Because there are criminal statutes that are used that have criminal penalties but because it's in family court you don't have the

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Bill of Rights. Bill of Rights doesn't exist. You don't have any of those protections. Because anytime it says you get this protection it also says for criminal things.

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Well, it's not criminal, it's family. So that's how it operates. But my hope is that people would say

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I do realize that my grandkids could marry an unbeliever.

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Even if that person says they're a believer, says they're committed to Christ and that this kind of thing could happen and that they need to care about it so that we can get our politicians aware.

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Politicians aren't even aware. We tell politicians about this stuff like what? Because a lot of your state politicians are just average people.

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They're just doing a job and they get in there. Like the guys that we've met when we've gone to the Mount Laurel Township and they say, well, we don't really have any power.

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Well, somebody told them that. They do. They have a lot of power. The power of the lesser magistrate. That's a good point, though.

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I think that the grandparents, definitely the parents, should be involved in a situation like that trying to rescue their son or daughter from marrying an ungodly person.

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The criteria they should look at, I learned from a different pastor in our meeting in an undisclosed area before, one of the pastors,

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I don't even remember who said it, but someone said the criteria you look for when you're trying to marry off your daughter is are they saved?

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Are they serving in the church? And are they sanctified? That's the criteria, the main criteria.

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Because if you've got those three, you can work with pretty much anyone. But if you don't have that, then you never really know what could happen.

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Saved, serving, and sanctified. That's another t -shirt. Another t -shirt?

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What do you mean, Jeff? I had this idea for a t -shirt earlier, but I said

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I wasn't going to really talk about it. I said Tim was going to talk about it. Oh, you're talking about when I said all porn is gay?

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Yes, I am. What a hot take. And you said we should put that on a t -shirt.

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We should put that on a t -shirt with a big rainbow and some roller skates. And with a little squiggly line that says

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Pastor Jeff Cleaver. With the t -shirt.

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What's the problem with that? The question is how do you justify that and substantiate that all porn is gay?

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And in order to answer that you have to really start violating Ephesians 5 when we're not even to talk about what the disobedient do in secret.

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But I think it's kind of, the more you think about every instance of pornography, if you even thought about that, which might not be edifying to do, there's a gay element in it.

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So if you're viewing a man and a woman together, you're a man, you're seeing male anatomy and that's gay.

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Or two women and they're gay, they're together as gay couple or even a person that's alone maybe touching themselves, that's gay to do.

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So there's natural sex between a husband and a wife alone in marriage and that's beautiful and then everything else is gay.

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So we should have a t -shirt that says that. Hey, we're tearing down high places out there and one of those high places is people are out there struggling with this addiction and I want to let these people know, stop it because it's gay.

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That's good. Jeff, I like it. Maybe that's something they need to know. Maybe there's straight men out there and they don't want to be gay.

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Hey, guess what? You don't want to be gay? Stop watching porn. Right. Another thing

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I'll say to those who struggle with attractions that way, those are not God's design.

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They weren't from the Garden of Eden. They're not made by God gay but because of the world and all this pornography, largely, but also because of billboards and advertisements and propaganda even in Disney movies and everywhere, the culture, the world, the flesh and the devil are introducing those thoughts and what you need to do in the name of Jesus is drive out those thoughts that are demonic and don't come from God.

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And so say that, condemn that as gay. Condemn the porn as gay. Condemn that thought as gay or that worldly influence, the world, the flesh, the devil and hate that and reject it in the name of Jesus Christ.

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Amen. Because that's what's destroying so many marriages too. The pornography that someone's involved with.

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I was just reading in C .S. Lewis' Mere Christianity in his chapter on sexual morality.

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He says a lot of people don't even think it's possible to quit using, you know, to quit living in sexual sin.

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But it is to live a virtuous sex life, you know. And I didn't think it was possible at a point in time in my life either.

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But it is. Such were some of you. But you were washed. You were justified and sanctified in the name of the

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Lord. That's 1 Corinthians 6. Is it 10 and 11, Tim? Somewhere in there? That's right. That's right.

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Amen. We have people, even in our church, people that we know come from a lifestyle of that and they've repented and trusted in Jesus Christ.

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And we love them and we welcome them as a brother. But, you know, the act of gay and watching gay stuff,

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I mean, it's not people think it's love. It's not under the umbrella of love. It's actually hate. So there's an element of gaslighting there where they're calling it something that it's just not.

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It's the complete opposite. Yeah. And it's hate because to perform that way is to hate the person that is the partner.

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You're leading them into sin which is into eternal destruction. You're not leading them towards God and blessing and what is good for them.

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You're actually hurting them, not loving them. And then provoking your son.

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You know, in this case, we're talking about and then a mother letting their son become transgender and, you know, that's extreme hate.

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Letting children change their gender. I mean, that's just, I think that's one of the greatest evils

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I can even imagine going on. And people thinking it's loving and people thinking it's good.

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People fighting for it. Even at that library meeting. People fighting for nonsense like that. I mean, they're just so delusional and deranged and given over to false thinking and false desires.

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It's still wrong. It was wrong 10 ,000 years ago or, you know, 6 ,000 years ago and it's still wrong today.

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It's going to be wrong forever. Amen. That's a great way to wrap it up. It is.

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It's a good way to wrap it up. Marriage, church. We've got to hold on to God's design of one man and one woman in marriage and to fight for that and the church being involved to support marriages.

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Amen. Can I just add one last thing? Yep. If you want to get a

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All Porn Is Gay T -shirt, just email podcast at cornerstoneSJ .org

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and if we get enough interest, maybe we'll make a T -shirt. Yeah, I don't think that's

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Ephesians 5. We're speaking openly because we want to help people in this podcast, but yeah, walking around without context, like,

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I don't know. I think it's a great witnessing tool. I don't know. We could do a test market maybe. I don't know.

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Hey, if you're watching, leave a comment. But no, probably not a good idea, but I'd love to see some of the comments on that, yeah.

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Yeah, then there's like a little kid standing in Dunkin' Donuts like, Mom, what does that shirt mean? Oh, boy.

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All right, you guys ready? Yeah. Let's do it. Lift him up.