Just a Little Conversation on the Pope, Lindy West’s Hatred of Life, and a Call from Chris Arnzen

Greetings, welcome to the dividing line on a unusual Thursday after Friday afternoon, whatever day it is. No, so I'm wearing my South African springboks rugby jersey and.

I.

Evidently didn't wear it the right day because they lost to Japan the first round which is really unexpected and sad, but I'm heading to South Africa. So Let's do our best. Yeah, all right. So Yeah, why are we here again?

No, uh, I didn't listen to.

The.

Presentation today at the United Nations, but did the Vicar of Christ remember to mention Christ at this time? Did you happen to hear? Well as most of you are aware in the address to joint session of Congress the Pope Sort of forgot to mention Jesus.

I you know, I don't know. I I have a hard time thinking that. You know John MacArthur would sort of forget about mentioning Jesus and I mean if give John MacArthur that amount of time.

And.

Jesus is gonna get in there somewhere. I really think so but you know plenty of time for a global warming and every socialist movement on the planet and Plenty of time to say he's spent his entire ministry working toward being able to call for a Global ban on Abortion.

No. That's not what he said, that's not. No somebody said a global ban on capital punishment. I didn't say anything, you know, I a part of me actually sort of feels bad For so many Roman Catholics who have been out on the front lines at abortion clinics for so long and then the Pope comes the United States and it's like.

Well. This global warming thing, you know, we just you know got a. You know.

Sad sad very sad. Um if I hear one more reporter Talk about the Holy Father. I'm I'm shooting the TV. That's just all there is to it. I I Had no idea that everyone who works at Fox News was a glowing Roman Catholic, but evidently.

That's.

Holy Father this Holy Father that and I I just want to pull. I was gonna say pull my hair out but that really didn't. Work too. Well, but yeah, yeah, I suppose I could do that somehow but. Yeah, the the coverage of the of the papal visit.

Well, you know, I remember when John Paul came in 1993.

I.

Didn't see a lot of the coverage because I was there. We were up in Denver when the Pope came to Denver in 1993 and we passed out tracks along the pilgrimage route to a Cherry Creek State Park and Came up with some of the most Imaginative track distribution lines ever.

Remember, you know my favorite one special lightweight tracks. Remember cuz there was I can't carry anything more. Oh, these are special lightweight tracks. Oh, okay That was that was definitely one of my favorite lines and Now here let me stick it in your pack for you.

Okay. All right, so you know.

We.

Got a lot of them got a lot of them passed out. But that's that's also we did the debates with Jerry Madita ticks, that's when the Carl Keating and Patrick Madrid pulled their Destruction of Bill was a Bill Johnson's Bill Johnson and Ron Nemec were the names.

Oh, man, that was. One of the most lopsided Debates I've ever heard is horrible, but that led to the debate with Patrick Madrid later in the year in San Diego anyways. But yeah, that was that was a long time ago.

Wow.

20.

22 years ago.

Yeah, wow.

And neither one of us have changed a bit since then. Have we. And you know what those debates still live up on sermon audio. In the Roman Catholic section in the Roman Catholics. I do know. They're even dated, right?

They're even dated, right? Yes.

Well, I mean a lot of the recordings for some strange reason way back when. We decided it was a good idea to write the dates on a lot of these when they happen. So I was able to give accurate dates. Really bizarre to realize that it happened on that exact day of that exact year and a long long time ago.

All debates took place on an exact day. Well, yes, I get the point.

But you know, it's it's kind of cool when you start putting it all together in a row and you start seeing it unfold.

Yeah, those many years many years ago. I know started in August 90. So If everything goes off well in South Africa. It looks like I'm not sure what the schedule is, but I think either way it goes.

My.

150th official. Moderated public debate will probably be in in the mosque down there. So that'll be that'll be great but much Preparation to do. Before then I did this morning comment on Twitter About a Picture.

Is it do we have. Let's see here. I Wonder if we have this picture. Well, this is the wrong computer anyways, and I don't have it set up to do anything, but Someone put a Picture of the Pope up says we'll only come to America when dr. James White is away in Zurich.

Well that didn't work out that way. I'm back, but that really wouldn't matter. There it is. This morning. I reposted a picture.

Of.

Where to go it was. Maybe this doesn't show mine. Yeah, mine. It doesn't show mine. That's silly. Sometimes tweet bot is strange, but uh. Wonder how I could find that. I Guess I have to find me and then go into all that.

I don't have time to dip of the picture of Rick Warren, and I I'm trying to figure out which should be the most offensive part of this picture. The fact that he's all dressed up far better dressed than you'll ever find him at saddleback preaching.

That's for sure all dressed up. Standing outside the White House. Waiting to fawn all over the Pope. Or the fact that he's chumming around Yeah, there we go, yeah, or the fact that he's got his arm around TD Jake's.

Which which is the most offensive? Part, I'm not sure but I reposted that picture and.

I.

Talked about compromise and then I realized you know what that's that's not the proper term. Compromise is not the right term here. That that represents an absolute betrayal of the responsibilities of a pastor of a flock.

He's.

Howling around with a non-trinitarian and immediately I had somebody You know respond. Well, didn't he say he was a trinitarian in the elephant room and I was like. And then I have to remind myself that a lot of folks Didn't listen to the dividing line back then but listen now.

We did an entire program Maybe more than one we we played his comments in depth analyze them in depth and. The man is not a trinitarian. He is a modalist it's all there is to it and.

And.

So you've you're you're putting your arms around a modalist. There's even better picture here and. Like I said, that's they're both. Well, Jake's is always dressed up.

Huh?

Yeah, I know that so I said outside the White House waiting to bond all over the Pope and So it's bad enough that you're hanging with the heretics. But both of the both of you are waiting to hang with another heretic and you're and you're you're gonna be fawning all over the guy and bowing down and kissing his ring and Doing all the rest of this stuff and it's like are there any Protestants left in the United States?

I mean, you know, I'm not talking about being some of the nutcase people out there that are trying to Trying to come up with six six six from Francis's name or something. I'm not I don't even remember what his pre coronation name was.

But I'm not talking about that weird stuff, but I did also tweet. Did you know that is it tonight is tonight the eclipse? There's a there's a super moon tonight. Which means it's the closest that it gets in its orbit and then there's a full lunar eclipse.

So you've got blood moons. Full super super moon eclipse and Southern Baptists hanging with heretics while waiting to fawn all over the Pope and I said, maybe Jack Chick was right maybe I.

Mean.

It.

What do you say? I mean, it's just Wow. So I'm not talking I'm not talking about the the wild-eyed folks out there are. Is there anybody left who understands why? This is troubling. Understands why papal pretensions were rejected by.

By.

Everybody who took the Bible seriously. No, there's there's not too many but but I got on the bike yesterday morning and Before I took off I was in a hurry I had an appointment so I had to cut it back to a 50 miler but I started to get started fairly early and But I took the time to throw the briefing onto my iPod so I can listen to it right at the beginning my ride which I normally do if I'm gonna do it that way and.

So.

The first 10 minutes of the briefing were like a Summary of the dividing line from the day before. I mean it was about the papacy. It was about the titles of the Pope. It was about why Protestants have historically taken the stance they have all this stuff and I was like, yeah.

All right, this is this is good it's good to good to recognize that yes There are still people out there who understand why this matters and Hence are deeply troubled by the fact that the vast majority of people that I see Are either just going well, he seems like a nice guy.

Well, what's he doing today? Well, he's saying mass and Madison Square Garden. Really? Do you know what the mass is? Well, it's just the fancy Catholic Lord's Supper. You know what not even the Romanists say that.

Not even the Romanists say that They recognize that the Eucharistic sacrifice is the central act of their worship and that in the Eucharistic sacrifice by the sacramental power of the priest Jesus Christ is rendered present upon the altar of the Roman Church body soul blood and divinity in an unbloody manner, but yet still a Propitiatory sacrifice that will never perfect anyone.

Well, I saw is like their Lord's Supper. No, it's not. No, it's not. That's why I say vast majority of non-catholics today are non-catholics of convenience predilection taste but not conviction not can or Prejudice bigotry.

There's all that kind of stuff to you know, the the Jack chick Alberto Rivera. Whoo Whoo-whee King James only wackoism you got those folks too, but but people who reject Rome because they're absolutely convinced That the gospel defines the church.

That a religious organization that stands Against the gospel of Jesus Christ and if you have a unfinished work of Christ that perfects nobody if If you have a Eucharistic sacrifice is under the control of some man who thinks he's an altar Christus another Christ.

If if you think that that that Ordained man somehow has the power to forgive sins and to assign penances then all the rest of that stuff that comes along with it if if you think that that he can make a Decision between whether you've committed a mortal sin or a venial sin.

Even though if you go right down the road to the next church That guy's gonna give you a different answer as to what is what? If if you believe that that that baptism puts you into a state of grace, but then can be an immortal sin takes you out of the state of grace and so you gotta go through the sacrament of penance and all the rest of the stuff and get back into the state of grace and purgatory and Indulgences and all the rest of that stuff that my friends has never been never will be and Cannot be the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And if you present that as your gospel, then you are an anti-christ nuts. You are opposed to Christ and to his kingdom. That's not a matter of prejudice or bigotry. That is the necessary rational logical conclusion of holding the biblical theology.

All it is how many people hold that position anymore, well, I am convinced by looking at least that element of Information available to me that the number of us is rather small. It is rather small. But we do this program to try to increase that number increase.

Anyway, I wasn't going I'm not going to spend the whole hour Talking about that despite the fact that it's all around us right now and it doesn't seem too much we can do about What I'm gonna do is like I said yesterday morning I was listening to dr. Moeller and This was it this morning I got up at 3 something this morning to run with my wife.

We did the 5k and then I went did another 5k after that do a 10k inside. I'm not sure if it was this morning.

Or another morning.

It could have. No no. No, it wasn't. Well, it could have been yesterday morning. Anyway at some point in time. He at the end of a program. No, it was yesterday morning. It was actually more that this was toward the end.

And yeah, this is just toward the end of the of the ride.

I.

Spoke about the woman by name of Lindy West Who began the hashtag movement on Twitter called shout your abortion. Shout your abortion. Ice. Is that the title from the. I think it was the Guardian in London.

That.

Contacted about this. The title is I set up shout your abortion because I am NOT sorry and I will not whisper and.

As.

You read through this article Suddenly last week in the thick of the right-wing misogynist crusade to defund planned parenthood Misogynist crusade the the twistedness of Lindy West mind Is so complete Is so she has been so given over in her rebellion That to her what is good is actually evil.

What is evil is actually good. She is the fulfillment of one who has been given over and that creator creation. Twisting is not just slightly out of line. It is completely gone, I mean. When you when you listen to these folks speaking and you hear what they're saying the tendency on our part is to become inflamed with anger at someone who can be so evil and Yet think it's good to be so evil.

We just want to go. Oh, dr. Mengele. Nice to see you again.

But.

We need to get past the emotional response We cannot do. We just can't do what the world is doing in substituting emotion and Gut reaction for rational thought based upon a clear Decisive Chosen worldview, we must go against the flow and we ourselves must practice Purposefully to think with clarity to think purposefully.

To constantly be repairing our worldview in light of the Word of God and we need to teach others and encourage others to do the same thing. Encourage others to do the exact same thing. We have to do this and that it means parents.

Teach your children about worldview issues teach them to Purposefully stand against the way that everyone else thinks. Honor God and honor their own createdness in his image. By using their brain first, I mean I I'm gonna take this out because I'm not using again.

Anyways, um, I think That we should have basic logical thinking training In our homes and in our churches so that we can stand against this cultural slide. Or the image of God is being replaced with pure emotionalism pure emotionalism, uh.

Anyway as a result of that you start reading through this. And you are you realize you are just talking to someone who is Absolutely Given over in their rebellion in their detestation of everything that's good.

Honest just pure holy. Oh but then you. Some of it you couldn't even read. I couldn't even read on the air. Because they like to you know, this this is your Standard in your face. Feminist who loves their evil, you know, you can just tell that the editor had to take out a lot of From in here just to make it work.

But but you listen you listen through. You read through and this is what Moller did here. Well, for example, the truth is that life is unfathomably complex. People with uteruses own their bodies unconditionally and Every abortion story is as unique as the person who lives it.

Now, of course the reality is it's also as unique as the person who dies in it, but they can't allow that part. No, no, they can't allow that part. They that's why once you get to presenting the reality of the humanity of the preborn child.

That's when they start yelling screaming throwing things and so on so forth, uh, but here. Listen listen to this. This is the part that Moller focused in on. I'm unashamedly stealing it from him. There are no good abortions and bad abortions because an abortion is just a medical procedure.

Reproductive health care is health care and as a fact without caveat that a fetus is not a person you just. It's a fact. I mean we live in a day where there is more evidence Available to anybody. Than ever before We have 3d.

Imaging.

These people are so twisted in their evil. So given over by God in their rebellion that despite the clarity of the facts it is an Absolute fact a fact without caveat that a fetus is not a person. There you go.

I Owned my body. It's out. This sounds familiar. Well, if I own my body then I can I can decide that I'm a gold medalist. Not never will be never could have been but but that's reality and reality doesn't matter because I own My body.

I am in charge. I am autonomous. I have all authority. I Own my body and I decide what I allow to grow in it. What if you want to see? How worldview is Absolutely central. Why this is not just something for geeks to sit around and talk about but here it's a life-and-death thing.

Listen to that. I own my body and I decide what I allowed to grow in it when you realize that this Evil self-centered woman Was once that little child in her mother's body. The foolishness the evil of this woman and this worldview thrusts itself upon you.

Just thrusts itself upon you and the the sheer deception. The the the the perverted thought is shocking. Telling our stories at full volume chips away at stigma at lies that the climate of shame that destroys the lives.

Sometimes literally now before I finish that the climate of shame. Remember remember the little old lady with the cross. Proposition 8 California the gays knocked across a stomp on it. What are they? What are they?

What are they yelling at her shame shame shame and I was pointed to so many times that's projection. They feel it say projected on others. They feel better this woman's Lindy West's whole idea. Is she knows?

That she experiences shame. So you project it on others shame on you for pointing out that I actually feel shame. Telling our stories of full-volume chips away at stigma at lies that the climate of shame that destroys the lives sometimes literally now listen to this here's of women and girls and.

Anyone.

Anywhere on the gender spectrum who can become pregnant.

Did you hear that? Oh.

Caught you, huh? You're an old fogey rich. That's why I caught you. Let me let me read it for you again, so you can catch up with your society of women and.

Girls and.

Anyone.

Anywhere on the gender spectrum who can become pregnant? Welcome to the insanity the insanity of Western culture. That has decided to completely cut itself free completely. Cut itself free from that which made it great from that which allowed it to develop science and law and One of the most advanced civil is that well the most advanced civilization we've ever seen but it's doesn't want any of that anymore and.

So now you literally have the line women and girls and anyone. Anywhere on the gender spectrum who can become pregnant and this is advancement. This is progression. Yeah, it's progression. Straight off a cliff face first into the rocks below.

That's the progression that the progressives are Leading us on. No question about it, especially those living in poverty and rural areas and hyper religious and conservative households. There's the enemy there is the enemy.

There there you go. Absolutely Amazing. There's a it's next paragraph. There's a reason why shot your abortion has been getting mountains of positive mainstream press attention. Um. It's called you're all part of the same movement.

You you bought them they bought you. This is surprising to you. While the people terrorizing us notice the terminology terrorizing. My feet is clogged with pictures of bloody fetuses and death threats.

This is Twitter after all are ignored on the fringe it's because we are right and. However, glacially society evolves it is evolving in the right direction. Abortion is common abortion is happening. Abortion needs to be legal safe and accessible to anyone.

Abortion is the thing you can say out loud. I am not sorry.

I wonder.

How many copies of this Exists in the world on hard drives and Printed form and I wonder if every single one of them Will be enumerated before the throne of God when Lindy West in light of Jesus own words That every word you speak Every word you speak you'll be held accountable.

Well, I am NOT. Sorry. Echo in her ears throughout all of eternity. Amazing. Absolutely amazing what I said on Twitter. Well, actually I said on a Facebook Article this little brief thing. I put up is that this is Such an illustration of The fact that most of us myself included at times I I will Rightly criticize myself.

Here we slip into thinking like the world and Because we see, you know this silly Blood moon what was Shemitah? I didn't get into this stuff. I I didn't even I even know what it means. I Didn't even take the time to read enough articles to go.

Oh, that's weird. I I left it for others. There's there's just only so much lunacy you can deal with at one shot. But we see this stuff or we see The the constant abuse of the spiritual realm.

By.

Charismatics who are you know? So far removed from having a biblical theology and a biblical grounding and and so we tend to lose our balance the other direction and tend to not recognize how important the spiritual realm is and how it's there and how Biblically we can't avoid the connection that is there.

It's easy for us to You know To look at even I still had up on the screen from the last program Paul's words to the Ephesian elders and You know, he very clearly Focuses upon their responsibilities and what they need to do, but it's always In the context of the spiritual realm he says.

Verse 22. And now behold bound by the Spirit I am on my way to Jerusalem not knowing what will happen to me there except that the Holy Spirit Solemnly testifies to me in every city saying that bonds and afflictions await me.

The next verse I do I consider my life of any account is dear to myself so that I may finish my course and ministry Which I received from the Lord Jesus to testify solemnly the grace of the gospel the grace of God.

So there's this well, how'd you receive this ministry? Well, it was obviously it is a Spiritual thing it wasn't you know, Jesus sent a you know certified package to Paul and said here's what you're supposed to do.

This was spiritual.

And.

So so while he's talking about, you know, I I am free of the blood of all men. I did not shrink back from clearing the whole Council of God everything. But then even when he says be on guard. Why. Because it's the Holy Spirit who has placed you in that position.

Which is by the way, why I said. What I said about Rick Warren this morning is. If you take seriously your position then the Holy Spirit puts you there. It's a spiritual thing. We tend to sort of pass over some of the spiritual stuff but we can't.

We have got to listen to what's going on our culture and Realize, you know, I've been saying it for years. Judgment is behind what we're seeing. This what we're seeing doesn't bring judgment. It is judgment.

This is this is so.

Lindy West's.

Lindy West is doing everything in her power to obliterate the Imago Dei the image of God within herself. And is that not what I've said is the essence of Punishment. The punishment that I believe people experience in hell.

I do not believe that God has to sit there and be expending energy to you know, send Demons down to poke people with pitchforks or any rest of that silliness. But what happens when you're created in the Imago Dei in the image of God and.

Then.

Your relationship to the very source of life is Twisted by sin to where you become not only the enemy of God, but once he lets you Once he removes the restraint What happens you become? consumed in your hatred of Everything that represents God.

That's what the culture of death is about. God is life. Therefore the culture of death Celebrates everything that will separate from life and separate from God that's why the culture of death is Spreading and becoming all pervasive around us.

That's it's part of rebellion and it a person in that situation once once that Restraint is removed which in hell that's exactly what takes place the restraints gone. All right. Now you are allowed free reign of expression of your absolute hatred of God.

What are you gonna express it on? There's not gonna be a creation around you to Destroy to express your detestation of God. I don't believe that there's gonna be anybody else around you. You know everybody who's talking about me my buddies are gonna have fun and all together.

No. You're no self-service there. Sorry, you ain't you ain't no, I think you'd be alone Absolutely alone the only thing left That bears the image of God is you so it's self-destruction itself Self-detestation and I can't even imagine what that looks like.

I don't know what that looks like. I really know Nobody does but when we see it now in this life, it's frightening It's frightening and when I look at Lindy West and I see this kind of Love of death and Absolute rejection of Anything that is good or right?

It's It's frightening thing frightening thing, but it's spiritual in its origination and we have to develop a Thoroughly biblically oriented and balanced way of looking at what's happening around us because Unless God grants major repentance this is just the beginning folks and These folks I you read that article this woman would vote in a second in a second to have every one of you and I Thrown into a concentration camp in a second.

The.

Detestation the seething. Hatred because remember in this life They can lash out at God by lashing out at those who are in submission to him. That's what has brought up. If they hated me. They're gonna hate you as well is what Jesus said.

Um.

So keep that in mind as We consider these issues. I'm gonna go ahead and go ahead and open the phones. We've got got 15 minutes left 20 minutes left on the program 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1. Maybe you'd like to comment on That or on the papal visit and things associated there with 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1.

I know one person that will not be calling is is book in channel. Because he just said that he might lie down for about 15 minutes. Wake me up if I mention him on the dividing line so I thought I would do that and and Make him feel badly that he abandoned the program just to go lay down for a while.

Instead of finishing listening to you know, I had to say so. There you go. 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1.

I.

Was spending It's a long flight between from Zurich to Heathrow. Heathrow here long flight lots time to read lots of stuff and oh. Where's that book. Gentle answer I I want to introduce you all to a book That we are have we.

Oh.

Okay. Well, we're gonna we're working on getting this we're working on getting this. You can you can order it on Amazon. But I'd rather you order it from us. The gentle Answer to the Muslim accusation of biblical falsification by Gordon Nichol.

They could get it through smile Amazon .com and list. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just as long as we're the ones that yeah.

That's the only reason they could do that though.

I'm glad that I Saw you talking to me since I took the earpiece out. I guess I need to put back in if I'm gonna talk to callers.

Huh?

Anyway.

Gordon Nichol wrote a. Looks really funny. Gordon Nichol wrote a fantastic book, which I don't have in here.

On.

Narratives of tampering in early the early Tafsir literature of the Quran. Which I found to be tremendously useful. Tremendously useful and when I heard he was doing this I was quite interested and then lo and behold out of nowhere.

He contacted me and I am working through this book right now and have found it tremendously useful.

The.

Gentleman's answer to the Muslim accusation biblical falsification. That's not a small book as you can see it is just under 500 pages But it is Really an Excellent and purposeful it says this right in it response to the it's our Oh Hawk Which I've mentioned this program many times it's our Oh Hawk is the 1864 book by Cairo Cairo now II Cairo wani.

I have trouble with his last name at times a Muslim scholar that that's the book that Became has become the source of the vast majority of Islamic. Dawa in the world today Akhmet didat was deeply influenced by it, etc, etc Muslim apologists continue to use to this day despite the fact that it's not only extremely dated but has been rather thoroughly refuted in various forms, but it's still very popular and this would be an excellent book To give to a Muslim, but especially to a Muslim obviously at this month number of pages Probably not to the Muslim who isn't going to be Serious in researching things but in talking to a serious Muslim who has serious questions about the Bible and its transmission Great great book and I'm gonna be telling you a little bit more about it in the future Like I said, we want to make it available we're gonna try to make it available anyways, and It's very gently written.

It's called the gentle answer But very thoroughly very very thoroughly Researched so want to get that information out to you and let's go ahead and Take a call from back in Pennsylvania surprised this man has time to be calling us because He's got two hours every day to fill on his own program called Copper sharpens copper.

What is it steel steel on steel rusted iron. What what is it again? Yeah, as you well know it's iron sharpens iron iron sharpens iron, oh that's right, okay. Well, you know, it's it's hard to remember sometimes and I figured you'd probably I think I've heard you mention it Once or twice in the past At various debates and things like that.

So I thought I'd let you you know, do a little you know a little advertisement there.

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Oh it is, okay. All right. Well, that's. We don't want to get we don't want to mess with Salem. That's that's not I mean.

I mean.

It'd be like standing in front of an audience and talking about all the different people that I've debated and then saying it sounds like a sale media Broadcasting meeting or something like that. I mean, that would be really dumb to do so we wouldn't want to do that.

Well.

Well.

No, what it was was a young man came up to me while I was teaching in Hebrews teaching Hebrews in Zurich. He had made the selection to become one of the Swiss Guards and had not yet left for the Vatican and I guess in as part of his religious preparation or Whatever it might be to be there had stumbled across the debates.

That I had done. He specifically Mentioned the debates that I did with Robert fast EG in the middle.

Middle.

1990s actually, I think those were some of the first debates that I did that were Done in a studio. In fact, that was the first. Yeah, that's the first time I had ever done a debate Alive debate in a studio with anybody and it was with dr. Robert fast EG and we debated I think we did Three debates if I recall and then one of them was I'm Mary one was on sola scriptura and I've told the story About how during one of the breaks he came over was chatting with me.

It was a nice fellow very chatty fellow. But I made reference to how many different Viewpoints on tradition and things like that. There were in Rome and I don't know if he meant to say this to me. He was sort of saying it under his breath as he was sort of turning away sort of absent-mindedly saying it.

But when I pointed that I said, yeah, it's been a problem since the Inquisition and Since the Inquisition ended and I was sort of like Okay, I would sort of challenge you to say that on camera I think that would be rather interesting, but he specifically made reference to the fast EG debates.

So It was I don't even know. I mean I have seen them. I know they're on YouTube. But man did I look Different back then I mean even more so than the first Long Island debates this is even before then so it was a long long time ago, but that's the That's the way Video works as long as you can get it out there.