Semper Virgo Simply Isn't

Prayer for Hearing and Holding Fast to Holy Scripture

Let us pray Blessed Lord, you've caused all holy scripture to be written for our learning. Grant that we may so hear them mark read learn and inwardly digest them that by patience and comfort of your holy word We may embrace and ever hold fast to the blessed hope of everlasting life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Amen. Were there any?

Questions.

That came up in your mind From the sermon. You try to be good all the time and it's worthless. That's kind of the wrong conclusion by the way.

So.

Yeah Yeah.

Well, that's kind of the idea is is that you'll note that the Sanctification is described as bearing the fruit of the Spirit. It's not the fruit of you. It's the fruit of the Spirit and. And so the fear of God the recognition that none is good.

None is righteous except for God and that we are in need of his mercy forgiveness grace. And we hold fast to the confidence that we have in the forgiveness of our sins. That from that then that living faith then will flow good works.

For neighbor not so that you can get you know, little stars on your star chart or little brownie points from God. Instead it's it's for the neighbors sake and then God then you. Bearing fruit and keeping with the Spirit love joy peace patience kindness doing your good works for your neighbor's sake.

You're not focused on you you're focused on them and. At the end of it all you'll stand before Christ and they'll say well done. Yeah, so the the the modern translations use hell. And I do find that to be confusing if I think if we want to be really really really super deaccurate.

We would we would need to use the Hebrew word shale. He descended into shale is probably a better way of putting it some translations will say he descended to the dead. Which still is a wee bit confusing and so we use in our modern translations Hades or hell.

Which technically could be the kind of the same thing. But problem is is that when we when you use the word hell. Sometimes people will think of like the end the very end, you know the lake of fire and that's not that what that's.

Referring to so he descended into shale would be a the far more accurate way of putting it. So. Yes. Yeah. Yes all right, so you'll note then when you read the book of Concord the book of Concord does not have as a Doctrine or article of faith that we believe in the perpetual virginity of Christ.

Our.

Mary sorry perpetual virginity of Mary. I will say this that historically that's been the majority position within Christianity. I do not hold to it biblically. I don't think it can be defended and it is not a doctrine that we are required to believe.

I will say this I know some Lutherans who still hold on to it and I know a whole bunch of Lutherans who don't. And so it's one and when you ask the Lutherans who do hang on to it. You know, how are you justifying this because nowhere in Scripture are we told to believe this as a doctrine?

I think it's putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable completely because you know Mary was a woman in need of a Savior just like the rest of us. Is they'll basically say well, yeah, we recognize that.

That this is a majority position within the ancient church. The ancient church many people believed it and it's very notable. Even Calvin of the Reformed Church. He held to it. And so, you know, I find it to be an interesting artifact personally, I believe that chaos in Matthew that it says that Joseph did not have relations with his wife chaos until.

Until that I'm sorry that pretty much Clenches it for me. People on the other end will argue. Well, if Jesus truly had actual brothers other brothers from Joseph. Then why did he put Mary in charge or Mary under the charge of the Apostle John at the cross?

That's one of the primary arguments that they will give and. The answer is that the text doesn't say you know. This this was Jesus's prerogative as the firstborn that he could have done that anyway, so, you know.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah, it talks of script in Scripture about Jesus is a Delphi brothers plural and The people who believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary always will say well, that's a bigger term. It could also mean cousins and kin and things like that.

It doesn't have to mean actual, you know brothers. And so what's fascinating to me? Is that the people who hold to it? When you point out Matthew or you point out the fact that Jesus has brothers they will always give a different narrative and say well it could mean this and here's here's my argument if I'm to believe that Mary remained a virgin perpetually because you are in your way of thinking that The Holy Spirit used Mary Mary's womb as the vessel to bring Christ into the world.

And how could she possibly then desecrate that vessel through marital relations with her husband now. That's that that's literally how they talk. This is one of their. Exactly and so what they're doing is they're basically saying that this is an appropriate thing, but here's the thing.

That's all pious talk if I'm supposed to believe it. How come no biblical text Actually says that. There is not a single biblical text that says that Mary's sacred womb Was not desecrated by marital relations with her husband.

There's no text that says that but that's their doctrine and that just you smell that right there. Yeah, that that smells like Rome to me. Smells like Rome. Yeah, yeah. And now so here's the other end of it then.

When you consider then the other side of this and that is is that wait a second Mary Willingly entered the office of wife. She willingly entered that office and God made her a wife and Scripture is clear that when it comes to marital relations.

That's to be the norm in your relationship and with your spouse and that you should only cease having normal marital relations if there's some kind of a problem in your marriage and you need to kind of Not do that in order to kind of pray and seek God's help for a problem.

But then come back quickly is how Corinthians put puts it so that the devil wouldn't have a foothold. So now I have to believe if I believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. That Joseph literally Was perfectly fine and was not tempted by the devil.

Regarding the fact that he had to remain in a and I'll use the phrase a sexless marriage but women who withhold sex from their husbands except for on the rare occasion when they agreed to do that mutually are not Held up in Scripture as have as doing a good thing.

That's actually held up in Scripture as something that causes people to sin and opens a door for the devil.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Right. Yeah, I. Mean Joseph could have and should have filed for an annulment using Catholic dogmen because they hadn't actually consummated the marriage.

Yeah.

In fact, if you know one of the reasons why he wanted to put her away Quietly is because he thought that she had totally cheated on him and he wanted her To be able to be with the one that she loved but for him that actually was an issue.

So here's the idea is is that as pious as the perpetual virginity of Mary sounds? I'm not required to believe it because no text teaches it. In fact the whole concept runs against the grain of the fact that marriage is an institution set up by God and that the expectation within marriage is that marriage bed is kept holy and That you don't withhold You know your body from your spouse because according to Scripture in the marriage covenant Your body isn't your own it belongs to your spouse.

So, I think the whole thing the whole thing is really cockeyed and as pious sounding as it is. If I were required to believe it a biblical text would teach it and it doesn't. Yeah, yeah and Jesus we know had he had brothers they are called brothers, you know, so.

Yep. Yeah, and so it's it's also this is an unmistakable Undeniable fact of history that some of the Biggest lights of the church fathers. They all believed in it. They all believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary.

Luther believed in it. Zwingli believed in it. Calvin believed in it, you know, so. This is one of those things that I think has a good strong tradition. But I can't I can't see any reason why biblically I must believe it.

At all not one reason so and it kind of annoys me. Hopefully that came through with my. Yeah, yeah, and again it I think it just opens up the door to Mariology, you know a bad Mariology. And it's just not what we're supposed to do.

The Golden Calf and Israel's Sin at Sinai

All right, we've been working our way through the book of Exodus last week. We got through Exodus 32 and got into 33 by way of summary. Let me remind you that the children of Israel had sinned greatly against God while Moses was up on Mount Sinai and God was giving Moses.

The.

Instructions on how to build the tabernacle to what Artifacts were to be created for the use in the tabernacle giving him the dimensions and the specs and the building materials from the gold to the acacia wood to even the the patented Fragrance used for incense and anointing oil that while he was up there talking with God people of Israel said we don't know what happened to Moses and so they went to Aaron and said make for us gods and.

A little bit of a note here. I didn't highlight this last week, but worth noting that when they decided to have their little festival with this golden calf that it's fascinating that the the day itself the the The work the day of worship.

It's it's funny that they literally were worshiping the Lord and let me explain to you What what I mean by that.

Let's see here.

Here we go. I'll back up into.

Verse.

Halfway through. Verse one up. Make us gods who shall go before us as for this Moses The man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt. We don't know what's become of him. So Aaron said take off your rings of gold that are in your ears of their wives and your sons and daughters.

All the people Took off their rings of gold that were on their ears brought them to Aaron. He received the gold Hand-fashioned it with a graving tool made a golden calf and they said these are your gods Oh Israel who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.

When Aaron saw this he built an altar before it and Aaron made a proclamation and note what the proclamation says Tomorrow shall be a feast to and then note the word Lord cow calves. Tomorrow will be a feast to Yahweh.

So in the creation of the golden calf and their day of worship, you know Again, think Burning Man here because things went really kind of sideways in their day of worship, they literally said that this was a feast to Yahweh and Yet they were worshiping the Lord through a golden calf.

Which the Lord does not accept and then we noted last week that this.

Sin.

Literally caused the Lord to say very difficult words for the people of Israel. That he was not going to go with them to the land of promise to the promised land. That they were pretty much on their own.

He was going to send an angel and Moses is trying desperately to kind of in an intercessory kind of way.

Figure out.

Okay, I Know I have God's favor and he doesn't know how or why yet. His theology hasn't properly matured to that point where he can understand it. And so he's trying to figure out see if he can get from God get God to reveal how he has earned or Received God's favor and once he can figure that out He can have the children of Israel do likewise.

So that they can earn God's favor and things would be restored. The breach would be filled if you would in the relationship and so Moses's first attempt He basically said I know I found favor in your eyes if you won't go with us you know and you won't forgive these people then blot my name out of the book and God says I'll you know, I'm not gonna blot your name out.

But anyone who sins against me. I'll blot his name out. Swing and a miss strike one. All right, so then attempt number two. Moses basically was looking for Commandments that they could keep, you know, show me the way, you know the your ways so I could teach it to the people of Israel so that they can find favor in your sight and God doesn't give him a list of commandments by which he they can reestablish their relationship.

So by way of summary, you know We'll read again Exodus 32 starting at verse 30 and you kind of see swing one and then and the miss and then we'll keep working. So the next day Moses said to the people you've sinned a great sin.

I will go up to Yahweh. Perhaps I can make atonement for your sin. Moses returned to Yahweh and said last as people has sinned a great sin. They have made for themselves gods of gold, but now if you will forgive their sin.

But if not, please blot me out of your book that you've written but Yahweh said to Moses whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. Now go lead the people to the place to which I've spoken to you.

Behold, my angel shall go before you nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. So then the Lord sent a plague on the people because they made a calf the one that Aaron made you'll note that scripture doesn't pick up and Move forward.

Aaron's his explanation about how poof it magically appeared in the fire, you know, he gets the blame and properly so. So Yahweh said to Moses chapter 33 go up from here you and the people whom you have brought up Out of the land of Egypt to the land, which I swore to Abraham Isaac and to Jacob saying to your offspring I will give it.

I'll send an angel before you. I'll drive out the Canaanites the Amorites the Hittites Perizzites Hivites and Jebusites. Go up to the land flowing with milk and honey but I will not go up among you lest I consume you on the way for you are a stiff-necked people and when the people Heard this disastrous word they mourned and no one put on his ornaments for Yahweh.

It said to Moses say to the people of Israel You are a stiff-necked people if for a single moment I should go up among you. I would consume you. Which by the way is what happens when sinners are in the presence of a holy God?

You have to think it that way. So now take off your ornaments that I may know what to do with you. Therefore the people of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments from Mount Horeb on where on where and now Moses Used to take the tent.

All right, we've read all of that. I'm gonna fast forward.

To verse.

12 so we can kind of pick up the narrative. Moses said to Yahweh see you say to me bring up this people but you've Not let me know whom you will send with me yet. You have said I know you by name and you and hat in you have also found favor in my sight.

So Moses knows he's he knows he's got favor in God's side, but he doesn't know why so therefore if I have found favor in your Sight, please show me your ways that I may know in order to find favor in your sight.

Consider to that. This nation is your people so he's looking for a list of things to do so the people of Israel can have favor again with God and. And God said well my presence will go with you and I will give you rest.

It's not what Moses is looking for. He's looking for God to go with y 'all. So he said to him if your presence will not Will not go with me do not bring us up from here for how shall it be known that I have found favor in your sight?

I and your people is it not and you're going with us so that we are distinct I and your people. From every other people on the face of the earth. So Yahweh said to Moses this very thing that you've spoken I will do you found favor in my sight and I know you by name.

Moses said please show me your glory and now here's attempt number three. So again blot me out of your book. God says no. Show me the ways to earn you to get your favor. God's not biting on that one. And here's the wild card.

So attempt number three on Moses's part to figure out How these people can have God's favor. He throws this weird curveball and the curveball is show me your glory God. That's a strange gambit. That's a weird one.

Show me your glory. All right, let's see what happens then.

The Glory of God Revealed in Mercy and Justice

So.

God said I will make my goodness pass before you and I will proclaim before you my name Yahweh and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious and I will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. But he said you cannot see my face for man shall not see me and live.

And so Yahweh said behold there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock and While my glory passes by I'll put you in a cleft of the rock and I will cover you with my hand until I've passed.

By and.

Then I will take away my hand and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen. Okay.

All right.

So, what does this have to do with People of Israel having their favor having God's favor restored. So the Lord said to Moses cut for yourself two tablets of stone like the first. I'll write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets Which you broke.

Be ready by the morning. Come up in the morning to Mount Sinai. Present yourself there to me on the top of the mountain. No one shall come up with you. Let no one be seen throughout all the mountain. Let no flocks or herds graze opposite of that mountain.

So Moses cut two tablets of stone like the first. He rose early in the morning and went up on the mat on Mount Sinai and as Yahweh had commanded him he took in his hand two tablets of stone. Yahweh descended in the cloud stood with him there and Proclaimed the name of Yahweh.

So to kind of wrap put this in this proper context. God's causing his glory and his goodness to pass by. Moses is now hidden in a cleft of the rock God's hand covering it up as his goodness and glory passes by and He doesn't get to see it with his eyeballs.

He gets to hear it with his ears. Does that make sense? So here's the goodness and the glory of God and it comes in this pronouncement.

Yahweh.

Yahweh a God merciful and gracious slow to anger abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness keeping steadfast love for thousands forgiving iniquity and Transgression and sin but who will by no means clear the guilty.

Visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children to the third and fourth generation. So there's the big proclamation.

Yahweh Yahweh.

Merciful gracious. And the Hebrew is actually kind of fun on this one because it actually says long of nose God has a really long nose.

Going what.

Now it gets translate so, you know the Hebrew idiom long of nose gets translated as slow to anger. Have you ever been in the presence of an annoying stench? Okay, are you women. I shouldn't have put that out there like that.

Those of you who are married and there are women. I get it. Yes an annoying stench. Usually it emanates from your husband. I get it. Okay.

But.

When you're in the presence of an annoying stench Have you ever noticed that you literally go kind of you feel claustrophobic. You start to get really tense and start agitated, right.

So.

To say that somebody has a long nose is to say that they're able to take in an annoying Stench for a long period of time before it erupts into a volcano. So to say that God is Has a long nose is to say that he's really slow to anger in the annoying stench of our sin.

So you'll note then he didn't get to see the glory of God. He's now heard it now. Have any of you ever heard those Pentecostal preachers That talk about the glory. And in fact, if you've heard the old Pentecostal preachers even the modern ones today, they don't talk about the glory.

They talk about the Glory right. The glory came upon right? This is how they talk about the glory.

And.

When they talk about the glory it has to do with an atmosphere. Where people are falling over? Barking like dogs having goosebumps shaking uncontrollably and they'll say that's the glory.

Hog.

Wash.

The glory of God according to this text is that he is merciful gracious slow to anger abounding in steadfast love and pardoning iniquity. The glory of God is that he forgives sinners. That's the glory of God.

And What's really fascinating in here in the midst of this? Revelation of the glory of God comes. One of the things that you sit there and go wait, this seems contradictory on Its face. It sounds like it's contradictory.

So note the list. Slow to anger merciful gracious bounding in steadfast love. Keeping steadfast love forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but watch. But who will by no means clear the guilty?

Huh, if you pardon sin and iniquity. Are you not? Letting the the guilty go free. Isn't that what that's all about? You'll note it sounds contradictory. But this really can only be resolved in the cross if you think about it, so so if God pardons iniquity.

But he doesn't let the guilty go free or clear the guilty. It seems contradictory, but it only works if you put the cross into the equation. And so here's the idea our collective stench. Let's use the metaphor now being used here the collective stench of our sin.

That thing was thrown onto Christ and.

He.

Was punished in our place he became the guilty one and. So God forgives and God does not clear the guilty. So is Jesus the guilty one? Yes, and no, but yes. But it's yes because our sin was put on him and he now the guilty one.

He was punished. He experienced the wrath of God in our place as our substitute. So God can actually say these things that seem contradictory that he forgives and pardons iniquity, but doesn't clear the guilty.

Jesus becomes the guilty one then for us. You see the idea. Well, the Mosaic Covenant all in type and shadow in the sacrificial system points right to Christ unmistakably. Yeah long before.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah, so we'll put it at.

So Christ comes about 1500 years after this. Roughly, you know, maybe 1450 to 1500 years after this and then we're 2 ,000 years past That so we're about 3 ,500 years away from when this occurred in Saudi Arabia.

What's now modern-day Saudi Arabia? Yeah. Yep, yep, and then Moses actually will it. You know in Deuteronomy The the last book of the of the Torah he will give explicit prophecies Talking about the coming Messiah the the prophet who will come after him.

So, you know where we're led by the writings of Moses to believe that there's one coming. And so that that's the idea. So here then is the glory of God that he's slow to anger abounding in steadfast love forgiving iniquity.

Transgression doesn't clear the guilty.

No.

Jesus wasn't cleared visiting the iniquity of the fathers and the children and children's children to the third and fourth generation and so Moses now here's this then the glory of God and These words that he hears.

He now does like prayer 101. I've said it before if you want to learn how to pray. Let God's Word teach you how to pray. Good place to start. Obviously the Lord's Prayer and then the Psalms the Psalms.

They are prayers in and of themselves. And so the idea is is that if since you don't we in our sinful nature do not know how to pray, right? Let God's Word instruct you so now Moses has what he's looking for in this revelation of the glory of God.

He has exactly what he's looking for and so he's gonna take these words that he heard While the glory of God passed by and he's gonna pray them back to God. Which is a great way to pray and watch what happens because remember up to this point God's all Those people that you brought out.

They're your people. I have nothing to do with them. I'm not going with you. I'm sending an angel if I were to go with you for even a little bit I would consume you all because you're a stiff-necked people.

This is how God's talking right all of a sudden after Moses takes these words of God that he heard and praise him back to God. Watch God's tune totally change. It's very fascinating. So Moses quickly bowed his head toward the earth.

And he worshiped and he said if now I have found favor in your sight. Oh Lord please let the Lord go in the midst of us for it is a stiff-necked people and Pardon our iniquity and our sin and take us for your inheritance.

So there it is. He takes the words of God. The glory of God praise it back to God and now God changes his Tune they said behold I'm making a covenant Before all your people I will do marvels such as not been created in all the earth or in any nation and All the people among whom you are shall see the work of Yahweh for it is an awesome thing that I will do with you.

Observe I will command You this day behold I will drive out before you the Amorites the Canaanites the Hittites the Perizzites the Hivites and the Jebusites. Take care lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you go.

Lest it become a snare in your midst and you shall tear down their altars. Break their pillars cut down their Asherim and you shall worship No other God for Yahweh whose name is jealous is a jealous God lest you make a covenant with any of the inhabitants of the land and when they whore after their gods and Sacrifice to their gods and you are invited to eat of his sacrifice.

And you take of their daughters for your sons their daughters whore after their gods and make your sons whore after their gods. Now a little bit of a note here. God's changed his tune. He's gonna go with them.

He's gonna drive out these people and then you're gonna see one of the most graphic and Unflattering Metaphors used regarding idolatry in Scripture and it's really super strong and so You'll note then that idolatry the worship of a false God is likened to the sin of adultery unfaithfulness to a spouse.

The two kind of seem to have parallels in that sense and it makes sense when you consider it in light of the bigger revelation that The church is the Bride of Christ so to commit idolatry is to commit adultery against God and now it's being used here in a very graphic term and It's you'll know God pulls no punches.

You worship that God you are whoring after it. Wow, is that strong? I Don't think it gets much stronger and more graphic than that. Describing the worship of a false God as the equivalent of going to visit a Sex worker.

It's not what they're called nowadays. You can't call them whores or prostitutes anywhere. Now. They're just called sex workers. Yeah, that's the way our culture is. Yeah, I know shows you the magnitude of the sin of idolatry.

So you shall not make for yourself any gods of cast metal. You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread. This is the Passover seven days. You shall eat unleavened bread as I commanded you at the time appointed in the month of Abib.

For in the month of Abib you came out of out from Egypt all that opened the womb are mine. All your male livestock the firstborn of a cow and sheep the firstborn of a donkey. You shall redeem with a lamb or if you will not redeem it.

You shall break its neck all the firstborn of your sons. You shall redeem and none shall appear before me empty-handed. Now this is kind of a fascinating thing here and you'll note then that this then will become kind of the superstructure of a major concept within Judaism and one that we not we should not disregard or not pay attention to and here's the idea is that you remember on the day of the Passover the first Feast of Unleavened Bread the children of Israel were still in slavery and it was on the eve of their being set free from slavery and God in that last plague the killing of the firstborn made no distinction between Israelites and Egyptians in this sense that any home with the blood of a lamb on the lintels on the doorposts the destroyer would pass over and That lamb was the substitute for the firstborn.

If there was no blood on the door of the lintel the destroyer would go into the house and the firstborn would.

Die and.

Now moving forward God here in this command says in all the successive generations that will come The firstborn Those who open the womb They also have to be redeemed and You'll note by putting this commandment in there that this sets the basis for a major thinking a major doctrine a way of a concept within Judaism that I think actually has absolute validity and the idea here is is that the story of the Exodus is not their story.

With the retelling of the story of the Exodus and the redemption of all of the firstborn which was required the story of the Exodus becomes our story and we are participants in it and so the reading out of the biblical texts on Passover as it relates to The the plagues and then the Passover lamb itself all of this that wasn't something that took place then.

This is our history now. Strange way of thinking but this is how this is how Jews think of this to this day and this this passage forms that basis. But I would argue brothers and sisters that the Passover being type and shadow and We having the Lord's Supper Jesus Christ our Passover lamb who was slain His blood covering us.

So the destroyer passes over us. This is not their story either. This is our story. This we are all a power part of this and so this commandment here then Regarding the firstborn having to be redeemed is like the hinge or the the the chain link.

That makes it so the following generations of those who came out of the Exodus Their their kin are connected then to those who experienced the Exodus with their own eyes and ears and body. It connects them to them so that they're not taken away from it.

It's not some ancient history, but it's a present history. There were they were a part of then Christ by instituting the Lord's Supper and we see that he is our Passover lamb. He now connects us through them all the way back to Moses in the Exodus.

So this is our story not their story. Does that make sense? This isn't their history. This is our history. And there was no Norwegians in the bunch. So Right. All right. Keep moving then Six days you shall work on the seventh day.

You shall rest.

In.

The plowing time in the harvest you shall rest you shall observe the Feast of Weeks Which by the way is the Feast of Pentecost? The Feast of Weeks is the Feast of Pentecost and this is the counting of the sheaves.

After the Passover you count 50 days That became known as Pentecost. Pentecost is actually Greek but that would the Feast of Pentecost is the Feast of Weeks of the first fruits and It's a harvest festival.

The first fruits of the wheat harvest the feast of the in gathering at the year's end and you'll note something here what's really fascinating and that is is that note then the big holidays of Ancient Israel note their their kind of typological significance Passover hooking us into Jesus Christ Jesus our Passover lamb the Feast of Weeks is the actual day on which the church begins on the day of Pentecost and Then there was Yom Kippur, which was another really big holiday.

It's not I don't think it's mentioned here yet but Yom Kippur was the Day of Atonement and that day prefigures a Good Friday and Then the final feast was the Feast of Booths and the Feast of the in gathering which was again a harvest Festival and you'll note that every single one of these feasts has some kind of theological Significance that we're looking to and so the idea then is is that the fulfillment of these feasts?

There's only one that's waiting. It's for its final fulfillment. And that's the that's the Final in gathering harvest feast, which is in type and shadow representing kind of the blowout party at the end of the age at the in gathering of Humanity and the separating of the wheat in the chaff and the wheat being brought into God's eternal barn if you would.

It's fascinating how in type and shadow all of this has themes that we can relate to. So three times in a year all your mails shall appear before Yahweh Elohim the God of Israel now, this is another important little one here and We'll see this as the Old Testament.

Unfolds.

But if any of you know anybody who's into what's called the Hebrew roots movement Which is a modern Judaizing heresy boy, and I debated right before I came to Kongsvinger I debated somebody in the Hebrew roots movement regarding the Sabbath and These are people who Literally are taking the Mosaic Covenant and trying to put Christians under it you know in much the same way that the Judaizers were doing that at the time of Paul when Paul wrote the the the epistle to the Galatians and.