December 27, 2023 Show with Mark Chanski on “Burying Grudges” PLUS Jason Contino on “Sola Scriptura: The Bulwark Against All False Religion”

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Wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 27th day of December 2023. I'm so thrilled to have two of my friends on the program first Mark Chansky who is our guest for the first hour? He is an ordained minister and coordinator of reform Baptist Network comm and we're going to be addressing during the first hour burying grudges and Joining me during the first hour as my co-host is my dear friend Jason Contino pastor of Harborview Christian Church of Port Jefferson, New York.

And he will be continuing on as my guest during the second hour and our theme for our number two will be Sola scriptura the bulwark against all false religion. But first of all, welcome back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Mark Chansky.

Thanks so much Chris. I always enjoy when I can spend an hour or two with you. You've been a great blessing to me personally in the kingdom. I'm thankful for your labors.

Well, thank you very much brother and tell our listeners about reform Baptist Network.

Well, the reform Baptist Network is association of churches who embrace the 1689 Baptist Confession and we are dedicated to the.

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Joining together for fellowship that we might take the gospel according to the Great Commission to the ends of the earth and we have churches gathering together for the purpose of Building each other up individually strengthening our churches, but then to be able to Corporately gather together and send out missionaries.

It's difficult oftentimes for one church to do the heavy lifting to send a missionary off to oh, let's say Indonesia. It may cost $90 ,000 a year to subsidize missionary, but one church can't provide the full 90 ,000 so maybe if you get nine churches who can provide 10 ,000 so we provide that church base support so that we can send missionaries off again, we want to make sure that men who are being sent off as missionaries embrace a common confession of faith, so we think of the 1689 is that common basis and then the churches that would be planted in distant places would have the Blueprint of the 1689 confession and then also we plant churches not only Globally but also in the USA here.

So as a network we are sharpening each other as iron sharpens iron and we're seeking to Take the gospel to the ends of the earth. Our goal would be that the knowledge of the glory of the Lord would cover the earth as the waters cover the sea Habakkuk 2.

Praise God and welcome also back to the program my co-host for the first hour Pastor Jason Contino of Harborview Christian Church in Port Jefferson Long Island, and if you could pastor Jason. Inform our listeners about Harborview Christian Church.

Hey Chris. Thanks for having me on.

Yes, Harborview Christian Church is a Nondenominational Christian Church in the Baptist tradition and I happen to be a Self identify as a Reformed Baptist pastor. So I have a lot of questions for for Mark about his network and and how that Would work for a church or such as mine Which I think perhaps a lot of our listeners see the belong to or might be pastors.

Oh great.

And if anybody wants to find out more about Harborview Christian Church go to their website Harborview Christian Church. I'm sorry, Harborview Christian Church. Harborview Christian Church, well pastor Chansky.

I was very edified by watching and listening to a Sermon, and by the way folks it is available on YouTube if you type in the YouTube search engine Mark Chansky ch-a-n-s-k-i and the sermon title burying grudges.

That sermon that I viewed today and that listened to will come up and I strongly urge you to do that but The focus of our discussion for the first hour will be on the theme of burying grudges and you derive Your theme from Proverbs 19 verse 11 if you wouldn't mind reading that for our listeners.

Burying Grudges and Overlooking Transgressions

Yeah, yeah, you can look that up on sermon audio Proverbs 19 11 I think the title is overlooking offenses in burying grudges. I think one of the Locations would be I appreciate Minden, Nevada about a year ago and the text is Proverbs 19 11 where it says a man's discretion makes him slow to anger and it's his glory to overlook a transgression and you know we as Reformed and Baptist people I think when it comes to issues of forgiveness Oftentimes the default passage we initially turn to should I forgive someone is Maybe a Luke 17 3 words of if your brother sins Rebuke him and if he repents Forgive him and if he sins against you seven times a day and returns to you seven times saying I repent him and Oftentimes we say okay.

I'm willing to forgive someone if they will repent. But you know Chris oftentimes that text can be used as a self-serving club That we wield in order to coerce the person that we have in a disagreement with come around to our viewpoint and our interpretation of what took place on disputable matters.

Whereas I don't think that's the whole counsel of God when we consider the whole larger theme of forgiveness because that text in Proverbs 1911 is so crucial as a important puzzle piece a man's discretion Makes him slow to anger and it's his glory to overlook a transgression.

Here it is. It's December 27 and I'm thinking that there are a number of people involved in extended family relationships who are bearing grudges and Justifying those grudges. That's why I didn't maybe go to Christmas family reunion because there's a person who'd be sitting at the Christmas table banquet and They haven't yet Repented and so I'm not going to forgive them.

And so I'm going to continue in alienation it reminds me of how we had a puzzle being put together last night by extended family We had all three of my daughters-in-law and my son and another son. We're working on this puzzle and They get down to just about the end and there was one piece missing.

They couldn't find the last piece And finally they found it under the table. Well, likewise when it comes to this issue of forgiveness, I think this Proverbs 1911 gives a crucial piece but oftentimes when it comes to relationships and Forgiveness and transgressions.

This is a puzzle piece. That's been. It's fallen under the table for some thanks for some it's even been hidden in the pocket because they just don't want to we just Don't want to forgive unless people come around to our view of things again, you think of that text a man's discretion makes him slow to anger and his glory to overlook a Transgression and if you if you heard the sermon Chris you heard how I opened it up with an account about.

Abraham Lincoln, yes fascinating.

Yeah in the mid 1950s. There was an important patent case that was coming to Chicago. And it was a guy named George Harding. It was a patent specialist for a distinguished law firm in Philadelphia. He employed Lincoln for the case and then after receiving an initial sum of money from the firm Lincoln got to work on the legal arguments of the case.

But then shortly after that the case was transferred to Cincinnati and the law firm decided to use a guy named Edward Stanton instead as the attorney, but you know, no texting in those days. So they never told Lincoln about the change but for months then Lincoln continued to work on that case and then in late September He went out to Cincinnati with his legal brief in hand and when he arrived at Cincinnati there at the hotel where all the lawyers were lodged Lincoln encountered Harding and Stanton as they were about to head off to the court and Lincoln said hey, let's go up in a gang.

But at this point Stanton kind of drew up to Harding and says hey Why did you bring that blankety blank? Long-armed ape here. He doesn't know what he's doing. He can't do us any good and with that then Stanton and Harding just Turned away from Lincoln and continued off to the court on their own and that's snubbing.

It went way beyond that immediate initial insult because in the following days Stanton kind of Managed to make it plain to Lincoln that he wanted Lincoln to remove himself from the case and Lincoln he withdrew.

But he stayed in Cincinnati to hear the arguments and in Harding never even opened Lincoln's Manuscript thinking it would only be trash. So all throughout that week He was ignored at the hotel. The guys never asked Lincoln to eat with them and even when there was a banquet for the attorneys Lincoln had to stay away and so it's no wonder that Lincoln in retrospect said, you know I don't think I'm ever gonna head back to Cincinnati again.

Because it was really a dark week for me and then then six years later The next time that Lincoln Stanton shook hands Lincoln was the president. But listen to this now. Instead of Lincoln's holding Stanton's obnoxious offense against him Lincoln offered Stanton the post of Secretary of War.

He disregarded that resentment he disregarded the humiliation because Lincoln recognized the gifts and talents of Stanton and he chose to just like the proverb says it's a man's discretion that makes him slow to anger and it's his glory to overlook a Transgression so so Lincoln overlooked that transgression and frankly He made one of the best choices Possible for his cabinet secretary of war because this was during the era of the Civil War during Lincoln's presidency.

In fact Lincoln Stanton got so close that when Lincoln was shot It was Stanton that was at Lincoln's bedside and it was Stanton who uttered those famous words now He belongs to the ages. These guys because of Lincoln not holding a grudge he buried the grudge he overlooked a Transgression and I think that's really a great model for us, but I know I know Chris I know what you're saying Jason.

I know what you're saying, but wait a minute Stanton never repented. Never admitted anything wrong, but you know, there surely is a place for our requiring pen you look at Matthew 18 15 where it says if your brother sins reprove him and If he doesn't then take two or three witnesses and if he repents Forgive him, but you see oftentimes.

I think this Matthew 18 is for those cases Crystal clear. That there is a sin that has been committed and frankly, that's a very rare case oftentimes in human relations where it's crystal clear like there was a Fornication or adultery in a marriage crystal clear or somebody embezzled a hundred thousand dollars from a partner crystal clear.

But oftentimes the problems that we encounter is something like you made this comment in a business meeting that offended me or she made a comment at the Thanksgiving table that offended me or You fired my son from that job and that offended me and these are all cases where there can be different Interpretations and different angles on what took place oftentimes the controversies that we won't forgive people of our disputable matters.

That aren't necessarily black and white airtight like we see in Matthew 18 or in Luke 17 I think we need to then apply the principle that puzzle piece. That's crucial Proverbs 1911 a man's discretion makes him slow to anger and it's his glory to overlook a transgression.

Amen. Well, it's interesting. I just recently Brought an end to a grudge. I was holding against somebody A I'm not going to mention his name, but a very well-known Christian on television Who I've had on my program.

I was certain he would. He snubbed me rudely at an event where we were both in attendance where he was speaking and It was shocking to me. I didn't understand it and for a year I Did hold on to a grudge and then finally I said I've got to send an email to this brother and Clarify whether or not my Apprehensions were correct or not and he replied immediately Within less than less than five minutes after I sent the email and he said dear brother I am so sorry that I gave you some kind of impression that I was being rude or snobbish to you.

Please forgive me. It was not intentional. I have nothing but the highest regard for you and what you do on iron sharpens iron radio and Please I hope that you invite me back on your program, etc, etc.

So that brought an end to something that I unnecessarily carried around me for a year.

Yeah, that's it. That's a great example of time is when we find ourselves offended or or transgressed against or abused because frankly even if he had intended right to Treat you gruffly and Unkindly, I think that passage in Proverbs 19 11 says hey, just just pass it by.

Just just just overlook it. I think of even the the word there in Proverbs 19 11 the word pass by it's the Hebrew word of our which means like like pass over. I even think of how oh. In that passage in Exodus 33 and 34 where Moses is hiding in the cleft of the rock and the Lord's glory which is a incinerating glory.

It is a consuming glory. It just just passes right by him. The sentence of justice isn't visited on the sinful Moses his Crimes are overlooked and disregarded by the Lord. And I think that's what it's calling us to do that.

Even if somebody Intended to harm us that we are to even so pass it by there's this there's this account the late 1700s of a guy he he endured a humiliating scoff so back in the 1700s. What did you do when somebody scoffed you there?

I've heard. That's right. That's right. You challenge him to a duel his wife says, what are you doing? He says to his wife my dear How could I appear in public again? My public stature is at stake my community splendor.

My community glory is at stake. And what happened to the man and in the duel was he lost a duel got shot in the shoulder. Which is really a shame to him. Frankly, even if he would have won the duel he would have been shown to be a fool who is soon angry his true glory Community wise or splendor or stature would have been for him to Pass it by the offense.

Just just walk away from the offense overlook the offense like Lincoln, you know Lincoln I heard wasn't a very pleasant man by way of appearance. But that story shows him to be the most handsome man ever.

He had he had monkey man syndrome, and maybe he did look like a monkey of sorts. He was the most handsome of man, it was his splendor it was his glory to everybody in the community when he.

Overlooked.

Stanton's offense.

Amen. And before we go to our first commercial break pastor Jason continue. Do you have a question you'd like to ask of our guests? You know, I think.

When we when we talk about this when we talk about repentance, I think my question would be How do we define repentance when it comes to us being offended? Yeah, that's a that's a good question. I think I.

Think I think much of it has to do with an ongoing sin. But I think crucially Jason it has to do with a clear-cut sin. Yeah. There are there are so many times when oh you use the example of you fired my son and.

So I am offended at you.

Okay now.

You need to repent because you fired my son. Well, wait a minute. The boss may have had a reason. It could have been the son wasn't there on time for work habitually. It could have been that the son Maybe took lunch breaks that were too long.

Was maybe that the son just wasn't skilled in the area or that the son Wasn't a team player. And that was the interpretation of the owner who fired the son, but the father who's sometimes isn't you. Our sons can do no wrong.

Has a different interpretation. There's that offense and the idea you can put this into so many different interrelational struggles and tips and conflicts that we have that sometimes again, we're using the Luke 17 3 4 passage as a club until you come around.

To my interpretation of what took place You haven't yet repented. So again, I think it is crucial like you say what does repentance actually mean? I think like like Lawson comments on this text in Proverbs 19 11 he says.

It's our duty and our wisdom to pass over not only slight offenses But even injuries of the deepest die such as are called Transgressions and the word for transgressions is the Hebrew word Pesha, which is the same word used in Genesis 50 in verse 17 when Joseph forgave his brothers.

Listen to this Jason for throwing him into a pit Selling him off to the Ishmaelites. He lost the 13 arguably best years of his life and Joseph forgave him of that Transgression those brothers of that gross.

Transgression against him, by the way, I just I just have to insert this story because it's so hilarious. You were speaking about the ugly appearance of Abraham Lincoln. I was watching a documentary on Abraham Lincoln and a story was told as if it was true.

It was an account that Lincoln gave whether or not he was making it up. I don't know. Meaning Lincoln whether or not he was making it up. I don't know but Lincoln was on some kind of a journey on his horse.

This is before he was president and a woman was riding toward him and she raised a rifle pointing it at Lincoln and they both came to a stop on their horses and the woman said to Lincoln I Have always said to myself my entire life that if I ever met someone Uglier than I am that I would kill him and Lincoln responded to the woman if I am uglier than you Ma 'am, please fire away.

Chris this was before radio, right?

I'm not sure what you mean.

Today they they had faces for radio. Oh, right.

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During the first hour Pastor Jason Contino of Harborview Christian Church in Port Jefferson, Long Island. We do Have a listener in Rowdy, Kentucky, I would love to find out the story of how that city's name came to be Alexandria in Rowdy, Kentucky.

She says I have difficult Understanding. I have a difficult time understanding the motivation Behind the Apostle Paul in writing. But if your enemy is hungry feed him if he is thirsty give him a drink for in doing so.

You will help you will heap burning coals on his head. It seems as if Paul is teaching a motivation of vindictiveness. Can you please explain this? Oh.

I think it has to do with The idea of burning coals hot coals on the head it's like almost Melting someone's grudge.

The Arctic.

Polar.

Isolation that an individual has is melted by kindness. Isn't that what the Lord does. He causes the Sunshine and the rain to fall on the just and the unjust. We should be Melted by God's daily pouring kindnesses on our heads.

I think I think that's the theme. You even look at that passage we're looking at as we're really calling people to not bury to keep grudges and rather to bury grudges and how. Maybe there are some folks listening who haven't gone to the Christmas family reunion because they have a grudge against someone and.

We were talking about Lincoln not being the most handsome man not being the most beautiful man, but how it says it's a man's glory. To overlook a Transgression and how you think of how when God displays his glory and his beauty he really does it most strikingly and most gloriously.

Oh. Even even on the cross how even how look it says there in Exodus 33 the Lord the Lord the Gracious and compassionate God he again is showing his glory to Moses slow to anger and abounding in loving-kindness.

Foolish men.

Sometimes can see forgiveness and overlooking the transgression as being drably unassertive and sleep sheep sheepishly meek. But really think of the Lord Jesus. He appears most Beautiful when like it says in Isaiah 53 he stood as a sheep before the shearers.

Not opening his mouth. He was passing over transgressions and nowhere is God displayed more beautifully and handsomely and gloriously than when he's overlooking a transgression. And we can be most godlike when we Overlook transgressions.

I think this is really crucial because you know Chris and Jason we live in this hypersensitive age. Where people are overdosing on? Sensitivity training where even harmless comments are interpreted as microaggressions and hate speech and so oftentimes we kind of overindulge ourselves with the Expectation that the world has got to treat us with kid gloves.

But no, that's not what the proverb says it says that It's our discretion that makes us slow to anger and it's our glory that enables us to overlook an offense. So it's just it's just a crucial like in this world.

Let's say you don't get invited to a party that everybody else, you know is going to and and I'm offended or My boss commends my co-worker in the company meeting. But not me and I'm offended or maybe you don't receive a thank-you card for the birthday gift you gave and I'm offended or your son sits out on the bench while the other kids in the team the coach's son and and his friends kids they all play and My son sits and and we're offended.

We get all these elbows that were jostled with where we feel hurt and upset and insulted and snubbed and slighted and wrong and ignored and mistreated. But you know, it's our glory to overlook These transgressions against us instead of our demanding justice.

Amen. Did you have a question Jason.

No, I was just I was just in agreement with both of you. That's outstanding. That's that's such a great way to look at it and in my own Life experience having two sons that played high level Sports both played division one college sports.

My older boy played Soccer at Elon University. My younger guy played lacrosse at Manhattan College. I Saw it at the highest level the difficulty for for a parent where you you know What your child is capable of and I had coached when they were young and and you realize you look at your own child through But you know magnifying lens and and it's the where the coach is managing an entire team, right?

Coaches managing on a soccer team college soccer team 28 30 players. And and for me for me when I when I felt that hurt because I saw as my as my this Talent this ability this this Effort this culmination of all these years of playing and and now you know Feeling he's maybe not getting the playing time.

He deserves. Still made the team still traveling with the team still getting into some games but as that frustration started to Overtake me a little bit. The cure is for me was what you're pointing at it was simply to pray for that coach pray for his staff pray for the the teammates and Before I knew what it didn't seem as important as significant as.

As what I had thought it was it wasn't even as important to my son as it had been for his father. Who was harboring this resentment this animosity, you know, so so I could really relate to to that analogy.

That's a great example Jason and I think sometimes as Christians We believe that we're compelled to go confront that coach. And we're compelled to to tell him that we believe that he sinned against me as the father.

And he's sinned against my son. But in reality look the proverb says it's our glory to overlook a transgression. This is really speaking of Forgiving unilaterally now think about this guys. It's calling us to forgive Unilaterally, and I know what you guys are thinking or even some of the listeners are thinking but you'll say but come on pastor Mark God never forgives without repentance.

You know what I say? Oh, yes, he does. Yeah, and he forgives Continuously and look it's so often due to our ignorance. You know, you think of Psalm 130 it says O Lord if you would mark iniquities who could stand but with you there is Forgiveness or like it says in Psalm 40 My iniquities have overtaken me so that I cannot see there are more numerous than the hairs of my head gentlemen.

I have so many sins that God has forgiven. But I've never confessed and I've never repented of. I have so many sins of thought and word and deed. That I can't even count even yesterday. I Sinned hundreds of times yesterday and I didn't confess them all.

But God.

Unilaterally Forgave me. And so we should be willing to yes be like God and unilaterally forgive like it says in Colossians 3 bearing with one another forgiving each other. Whoever has a complaint against anyone just as the Lord forgave you.

So should you forgive others? I know there's a you know, there's a story of well, no, no, no when somebody sinned against me, I should always have this disposition of being willing to forgive if they repent.

I I have forgiveness wrapped up in beautiful paper and I've got a nice bow on it and if they come and if they Confess all of the sin and if they repent of the sin then I'm willing to give them the gift of forgiveness.

But I tell you what gentlemen. There are people who are in reformed churches orthodox churches. Who have these little gifts that they've been storing up in a massive warehouse? Where they're holding these grudges in this warehouse against people in Saying I will forgive them if they ever come to me and holy own their sin and repent.

I believe this is not in keeping with the whole Council of God. Yes, there are occasions like I said the clear-cut sin the adultery the Embezzlement the issues where there is no question that there is sin, but we're using this again as a club that we wield and says if you will repent if you will come around to my view of it if you will embrace my Opinion of what took place then I will repent you.

That is a very that I will forgive you. That is a very self-serving use of these biblical passages. That is not. I believe in keeping with the whole Council of God we need to be willing like it says in Oh even first Corinthians 6 9 where it says.