April 11, 2006

104 that day, so it hasn't gotten that warm yet. We're gonna hit and get in the 90s tomorrow. They're talking 97 by Thursday. So if you'd like to pray about something you can pray That the fan motor for our air conditioning unit arrives before then we were supposed to hear something yesterday and we didn't and still haven't heard anything today and I'm not really certain about how a dividing line is going to work if it's 97 degrees outside on a Thursday afternoon.

I'm not sure that our equipment would appreciate functioning in that type of temperature so We will see if the fan motor arrives, then we'll be able to do a dividing line if it doesn't arrive. I'm not really certain that that would be a a good idea so anyway Before we get back to the dr. Davis sermon, and I need to press on with that because the fact that That debate is coming up next Thursday.

Actually as I think about it now the 20 actually it's Friday next Friday evening. I will be debating mr. Wright WRI gh t former assistant attorney general of state of Illinois actually who is an assistant pastor at dr. Davis's Church on the subject of Calvinism there in Sedalia, Missouri and.

So I've wanted to be doing this series so that mr. Wright can hear a response to the misrepresentations of reformed theology so that we are able to focus upon The the important issues in our in our debate that is coming up and hopefully it'll be a very biblically based debate but before I did that I wanted to Mention something.

Last was it last time we got together. I'm not sure I think it was last time we got together. Or maybe the time after that. I don't know before that. I remember anyway when I went over the misrepresentations That were found in Dr. Davis's sermon as he was following Dave Hunt one of the misrepresentations was in reference to Charles Haddon Spurgeon the subject of regeneration.

The current blog article actually posted it last evening on my blog. Has a link to a sermon by Spurgeon on regeneration faith. It's called man's inability as I recall it was number. It's a number 182.

I believe yes sermon 182 March 7th 1858 music Hall Royal Surrey Gardens and There's a link there you can read the whole thing. I would recommend the entirety of it to you, but I wanted to read you a particular portion of it.

It's a portion on my blog and you may have already read it. But there are other folks who listen to these archives way way down the road. I have one friend at church who's listened to all of the dividing lines all of our mp3s.

It's frightening that someone would actually want to listen to all that stuff, but anyway. So they may not have access to this blog article any longer when they're listening to this in the archives. So let me read it to you because I think it makes an exceptionally important point.

Coming to Christ is a very common phrase in Holy Scripture. It is used to express those acts of the soul wherein leaving at once our self-righteousness and our sins. We fly into the Lord Jesus Christ and receive his righteousness to be our covering in his blood to be our atonement.

Coming to Christ then embraces in it repentance Self-negation and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and it sums up within itself all those things which are the necessary Attendance of these great states of heart such as the belief of the truth earnestness of prayer to God the submission of the soul to the precepts of God's gospel and all those things which accompany the dawn of salvation in the soul.

Coming to Christ is just the one essential thing for a sinner's salvation. He that cometh not to Christ do what he may or think what me he may is yet in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity.

Coming to Christ is the very first effect of Regeneration. No sooner is the soul quickened than it at once discovers. It's lost a state is horrified. Thereat looks out for a refuge and believing Christ to be a suitable one flies to him and reposes in him.

Where there is not this coming to Christ it is certain that there is as yet No quickening where there is no quickening. The soul is dead and trespasses in sins and being dead. It cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Now two things first of all the misrepresentation of Spurgeon by hunt as if Spurgeon that denied what he just said here and that is Coming to Christ is the very first effect of regeneration. No sooner is the soul quickened.

Then it at once discovers It's lost a state is horrified thereat looks out for a refuge and believing Christ to be a suitable one flies to him and reposes in him. Now that's what I've always taught that's what I believe the Bible teaches that's what Spurgeon taught and it is a misrepresentation of Spurgeon to cite a sermon that he gave on a different subject a different issue and Then as a result Say that he actually denied this but there are others who take great joy in attacking me on this various sundry this this issue as well and Yet our great promoters of Spurgeon it is odd that that they would disagree with him on this very very important issue.

So I would recommend that particular Sermon to your reading. I think you would find it to be Very very useful. So we go back to the dr. Davis sermon and before I do that now are we thinking here may be rich that we may need to rethink where we put Warren's office and Move that wall back and start putting in you know, maybe some tiers of chairs and bleachers bleachers for the audience.

Yeah, because We we have an audience today and in fact those in channel will be happy to know that Stoker and captain are here as is buzz and So those of you who are channel rats will will recognize that With a omen and myself five of the channel rats are here in the studio today.

Oh, that's not a good Thank you very much right up here on that I was gonna say as you're trying to do like audience effects or something like that something like that, but it Those terms have to confuse the daylights out of our non channel 9 channel rats and on channel rats.

Yeah, well, yeah, actually, you know, we you may have seen that email that you forwarded to me from Japan. Mm-hmm and a person there in Japan who listens at 3 a .m. In the morning, and I wrote back and said you do know We have archives.

But I saw someone I saw someone come in from Japan last night and they never responded to me. So I'm not sure if there is a problem there, but I you know, we may have folks Actually going into channel, you know three o 'clock.

Well, you know, we are webcasting around the world around the world. Yes, well that if you're webcasting at all, you're webcasting around the world. What is what is she doing back there? She's crocheting.

But oh, that's cute. What is that? Little audience interaction. She's making she's making a hat for a dog. What dog do you dislike so much that a you would put them in one of those things and be this is Arizona.

It'll die. Yes, this is a live program very much a very live program hey, well, you know what? Michael in Los Angeles has a question about the big religious news the day. So I suppose we should go ahead and take that one before we get back to the dr. Davis sermons let's go ahead and talk with Michael in Los Angeles about the gospel of Judas the Big news the religious world that really is the biggest non news.

It's ever hit. But anyways, what's up, Michael?

How you doing? Dr. White doing good good. Me being eclectic in my callings, I'm gonna make this one as well. The gospel of Judas, you know. Since everyone's heard of this news, I want to ask you. I know it's not.

It's not thick. A whole bunch of my friends at Work or commenting on it. They think it's the big thing. Changing the Bible and that whole thing. I know it's not thick. I want to ask you where was it found?

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Was found along the Nile River actually in Egypt. Almost all of the it's it's written in Coptic. It's a Coptic translation of an original Greek document actually and it Would come from the same time period and the same sources of the Nag Hammadi finds.

It is as you mentioned comes from the Gnostic religion which flourished there in Egypt in the middle of the second century into the third and fourth centuries and the idea that it could somehow in some way shape or form have some type of impact upon the Bible even even people who are as Opposed to Orthodox Christianity as Bart Ehrman recognized that all this is is a second century Gnostic writing it doesn't have anything to do with Judas.

It is the only thing it can give us insight into it all really is. What the Gnostics in the second century were doing about Judas we had known that they had found Judas to be an interesting figure. To put into their into their speculations and into their thinking Because of his his, you know tragic figure in the New Testament.

It's plainly dependent upon a widespread knowledge of the canonical Gospels. So it obviously comes from well after them. It's dependent upon them. It comes from a different worldview. It's really the writings of a different religion and Toto and yet despite all of that.

They.

You know, there are people who need to make a lot of money off of this in fact I saw something on the internet about the person who purchased it needing to make twenty three million dollars to break even and So, you know, he's got a he's got to sell this stuff.

He's got to keep this stuff going out and The the media of course is always looking for stuff like this to hype it and in reality It has has really almost no meaning outside of Giving us an insight into what a different religious group a Gnostic religious group.

That was very eclectic in its in its Outlook, it's it would take in elements of all sorts of different religions, but it's based upon a completely different worldview. It's it's not monotheistic. It is it is dualistic.

It denied that the God of the Old Testament and in fact this this is a more developed form of Gnosticism. Which puts it even later as far as its original? Writing, you know 150 160 around that area Denies that the creator God of the Old Testament is is the father of Christ in the sense of the father and the son when?

Jesus used the term son of himself when he refers to father. He's not referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament because Yahweh created all things that Yahweh is an evil God. Instead you have this all spiritual God.

Who would not create anything and Jesus needs to get out of his physical body because physical bodies are bad and evil and so on. So so all it does is is gives us one more Document that proves that Irenaeus was right when Irenaeus wrote about the Gospel of Judas and between 182 and 188 and he described it as a work of fiction and He described it accurately.

Yeah, he had read it. He had seen it. It obviously wasn't as popular as Thomas or even Mary.

But.

That's all it. That's all it is and so many the only reason that that's the mainstream media Is making hay with this is because the mainstream media can count on the fact that the vast majority of its people are Absolutely, totally and completely ignorant of the backgrounds of the New Testament Utterly and totally so they you know throw a few experts on there who go.

Oh, this is just wonderful and There you go you you make lots and lots of money, and you can run specials and so on and so forth so Pete who provides our our webcasting facilities for us put together a wonderful little online video I would have crashed his servers if I had linked to it, but where he Talks about the Gospel of Judas and what a joke it is and one of the things he says is how can we trust any? one like National Geographic that spent five years and hundreds of thousands of dollars in their graphics department to come up with their logo, which is a yellow rectangle.

And he's right Think about National Geographic. I mean that took some work to come up with that logo. You know what would Jacques Cousteau say? So anyway, but yeah, it's If we are prepared if we know something about in fact what you might find interesting and what might find useful Maybe I should link to this on On my blog is I did spend some time.

I spent about 20 minutes maybe at the beginning of my Sunday school lesson at Phoenix Foreign Baptist Church this Sunday talking about it and Tying it in with the fact that we've been going for almost Three and a half years now in a synoptic study, and we're only up to about Matthew 11 As far as how far we've gotten through the synoptics.

But so much of what we've talked about as far as studying the synoptic Gospels backgrounds history things like that very relevant to The issue of the Gospel of Judas and so if you go to PR BC org you might find that to be useful, too.

Okay, all righty. Oh one more question real quick. Uh-huh. And probably read it the book by the book called the text of the New Testament Restoration corruption transmission, I believe Metzger. Uh-huh.

The new edition came out with Bart Luman Bart Ehrman Herman. Yeah, right. I don't know if you've been highly on him. I want to ask you is that book useful. Well.

I obviously would Recommend utilizing the earlier editions of it. I've recommended it to people. The work is very useful. I have not gotten the new edition myself to be able to see what kind of influence airmen has had.

But I I cannot recommend anything by Bart Ehrman To anybody simply because he's a spin Meister, and he's not fair in his spinning of things the facts are normally accurate. It's the spinning of the facts and and unfortunately My experience is a lot of folks and this is this is a skill that that Christians need to develop today a lot of folks don't see the difference between the statement of the facts and the spinning of the facts and That's where the where the distinction needs to be made and that's where discernment needs to be Exercised and so there's still plenty of the first and second editions running around out there.

So You might find that to be useful. So, okay. All righty. Thank you. Thank you. God bless. Bye-bye. Well, if you all hear it is odd things happening out in the studio audience, it's because Eddie just showed up with all the caffeine.

And so I'm sure there's going to start to be a wild applause and various sundry other activities going on because of the infusion of Starbucks caffeine into the into all the people out there, but.

I'm.

Safely ensconced in my padded cell and and don't drink that stuff. Anyways, and so it's I'm fairly safe. So anyways, let's continue on with the dr. Davis sermon. You may recall last time we were talking about equal chances.

That's that's what justice is. Everyone has an equal chance. I was asking equal chance of what and. Then we have this odd statement in regards to the atonement of Christ. It also cheapens the sacrifice of the Son himself.

He did not just die for the 10 of the world's population who would trust him. He died for every person who would ever live in all the history of the whole world.

Now I just immediately have to stop and go how did he find out how many of the elect there are. Ten percent. So ninety percent are on a grease skid into the seventh level of hell and ten percent are going to heaven.

How does he know that? I mean, is this like a Gallup poll type thing? I've not quite figured that one out. The Bible talks about the sand the sand of the sea as as to numbers. I don't know where this ten percent stuff comes from.

But again, how is that cheapening God's love? How is God's love made so much greater. By God placing the punishment for sins that he knows. In fact, let's not even look at God's future knowledge. Remember what was just said he said every person who has ever lived.

Now that would mean that you have the Canaanites you have the people sitting in Canaan while the people of Israel are in in in Egypt and you have that cryptic statement in the Old Testament about how Their their transgressions were piling up and and They were not yet fulfilled and then when Joshua comes in the land Does does God have Joshua send missionaries in to introduce Yahweh to them and say this is how you?

Worship God properly and etc. Etc. So no they come in and they wipe everyone out man woman and child. Now does what? What makes someone think that the love of God is exalted? By God placing on Christ the punishment for the sins of those individuals that he did not even send Prophets to to call them to repentance.

How does that exalt the love of God? How does failure? Demonstrate that I don't understand. I've not figured that out at all. I can't I can't I can't grasp it. That's just but that's that's just how it works.

Well, here's the respecter of persons objection. It also cheapens the sacrifice of the son. I said the respecter of persons there and seventh.

Calvinism makes God a respecter of persons and the Bible says that God is not a respecter of persons.

And that's all he said and in fact You can tell and I didn't watch the DVD because I can't find it. I'm sure it'll show up in a box some places I'm moving stuff, but there was an edit there. I don't know what else was said.

That was all that was said. But it is very very common for people to say that Calvinism makes God a respecter of persons. The exact opposite is the case. It is Arminianism that makes God a respecter of persons.

Why. Because ask any Arminian? Why are you saved? Why are you saved and another person is not. Why are you saving your your neighbor is not? Well, because you did something your neighbor hasn't done. You somehow had some kind of spiritual insight.

Goodness of heart you were better smarter more understanding. There was something about you That made you a Christian that they didn't have and so since God accepts you it's because there's something in you that makes God a respecter of persons.

He is. To be a respecter of persons is to for example look upon a rich person and Accept that person because they're rich, but we reject the poor person because they're poor. Only in Calvinism. Do you have a non respecter of persons because God does not Give his grace based upon anything in the center.

That's what Unconditional election is all about is that we haven't fulfilled any condition. That would then cause God's grace to be attracted to us or cause God to give us more grace or whatever. It might be.

The electing grace of God is free. And so the actual accusation is backwards. Another common and false accusation that dr. Davis makes is found in these words.

If everything is for ordained, why bother studying the Bible? Why whole revivals? Why preach at all?

Well, why stay the Bible well for the same reason I think that that's a dr Davis would study the Bible because as a new creature in Christ, I want to hear the voice of Christ. I want to hear his his voice speaking and teaching the Spirit of God drives me to the Word of God and gives me a love Of God how can how does Calvinism have anything different to do about that is?

Does an Arminian have some better reason to study the Word of God than that? Why why preach at all? Well, you know anyone who goes back to Goes back to the old Publication I put out in 1991 I think called God's sovereign grace Toward the end.

I had common questions and objections and one of them was why preach at all? And of course the answer we've heard so many times Sometimes you you start getting used to it and that is God ordains the ends.

That is the salvation of the elect and the means and the means that he has chosen to bring about the salvation of his elect is through the Proclamation of the gospel the union of the word and the spirit without the spirit.

The word will not accomplish anything but the spirit uses the word the gospel to bring that spiritual life and so you have the union of the two. God ordains the Ends and means and God has ordained that he is going to use preaching and we are the ones who have the privilege To be used in that fashion to bring the message of life to others.

And so again the only way you can present this type of thing is if you don't understand what you're critiquing and that comes out very very clearly in the fact that the vast majority of these folks the vast majority of them confuse Calvinism and hyper Calvinism and there are a number of illustrations of this in dr. Davis's sermon by the way I Wrote to dr. Davis.

He wrote back very quickly and I identified myself because he didn't recognize who I was and as soon as I identified myself I've heard nothing back since then so I need to I need to write again I keep trying to remind myself to write again say did you get my last email because I you know You've responded very quickly before why wouldn't you respond now?

I mean, I'm playing his own sermon. I'm fairly responding to it I you know I think it would be fair to you know respond to these things especially when I've documented Misrepresentations here's another one.

Here's here's the story brought taken from some source. I call it Bob the hyper story, so here's here's What people think? Who won't listen to the other side very carefully or listen only to Dave Hunt's misrepresentation.

Here's where you throw out something about hyper Calvinism and that allegedly has something to do with with reformed theology itself here.

I began the message about telling about a preacher had a great impact on my life. His name was Bob a fiery preacher. But a friendly man a man who ministered to me who challenged me who encouraged me. But then a man that I heard was having some severe difficulties in his life.

I was shocked When I found out a few months later, I was talking to my friend Bob's son. He was also shocked and also very disillusioned with his father. You see Bob was still traveling and still preaching.

But he had left his wife and children and was living with another woman. He finally divorced his wife and married the other woman. What made his sin even worse to me was the way he justified it. When his son asked him why and how he could do such a thing Bob said to his son.

Well son. What I discovered Was that it was never predestined and foreordained by God that I marry your mother. Therefore our marriage wasn't really recognized by God. But it was predestined by God that I marry this other woman.

Therefore God recognizes this marriage and not the other one. Bob's son looked at his father my good friend. He told me this many years ago, and he said dad Do you realize what that makes me and my brothers and sisters?

That means we're all illegitimate and Dad looked back and said yes, son. I recognize that but you know, there's nothing I can really do about that.

That's just simply amazing. Obviously such a person who would make such an absurd argument would be Excommunicated from any meaningful church if they refused to repent of that sin. It's odd that he's still running around preaching.

Isn't this person under the eldership of a church? Isn't this person in a position of of being held accountable for such things, but Obviously the idea that someone could claim to have that kind of insight Into the eternal decree of God is absurd.

No Calvinist would ever make that kind of argument is clearly an abuse of a teaching that the person does not even begin to understand and Are we really supposed to take the the perspective that if you can abuse a teaching the teaching must be false.

How many Christian doctrines have we seen abused in the New Testament itself. Does not Paul himself say that there were those who? Slander us by saying let us sin that grace may increase. And he says their condemnation is just so.

Does that mean you don't preach the freeness of grace? Because people will will just will will pervert it they pervert it in the day of Paul and So just because someone can take The the truth that God has foreordained all that comes to pass.

He does not give us the means of knowing all those things. He gives us his prescriptive will his prescriptive Will says husbands love your wives. You cannot say oh, well, I've discovered God's secret.

Well, no you haven't and don't claim that you have. It's it's it's offensive to me. Absolutely offensive to me that someone Would use that kind of argumentation. It truly is. Let's get the subscription pastors.

We have two callers on the line already. I have No idea what the last one's asking about but we'll get to it eventually. But I need to get some more of this sermon in and so since we have managed to establish a very small Amount of airflow into the room here.

We can go ahead and skip the skip the break we need to and press on here get a little bit more this done so we can get to our callers and as Much of the sermon as we as we can here. Even though I know the studio audience was looking forward to watching you skill with which you you ran the break.

But now they can watch the skill with which you don't run the break so They're all just looking fascinated at rich at the skill that he has in doing with what he's doing there. Anyway, let's start looking at some specific Bible passages this is in the second sermon.

There were two sermons of dr. Davis preached There on this DVD this now is in the second sermon where he begins Finally getting to some biblical passages and of course as everyone knows who's listened to this program before it's getting to the biblical passages.

That is most most useful as a 53 6 all we like sheep have gone astray. We've turned everyone to his own way and the Lord hath laid on him Jesus the iniquity of a soul.

Now that is in the context of promoting Universal or general redemption the idea that Christ's death does not actually redeem anyone it just makes people redeemable. To utilize the language of Norman Geisler who said Christ death did not save anyone.

It's simply made everyone savable and that is a very common perspective. That's also very common misuse of Isaiah 53 if you read Isaiah 53 beginning of verse 5 it says, but he was pierced through for our Transgressions he was crushed for our iniquities now.

Let me stop right there. Does are those words that you would put into the mouth of? The Canaanite Worshiping Baal who is killed by the Invading Israeli armies in the cleansing of Canaan back in the days of Joshua.

What what is the theological impetus in your system of teaching that would want you to say that. The person that person that high priest of let's make him the high priest of Moloch. Because Moloch was the God to whom they would sacrifice children okay, this is the guy that would kill the children and throw them in the fire and Christ bore the penalty for his sins in his body upon the tree now don't get me wrong if God wanted to save that high priest of Moloch he could and Christ death could atone for that sin.

But why if it was not God's intention to save that person and even the Arminian like dr. Davis has to say it clearly wasn't God's intention to save that person. He didn't send any messengers. He didn't send any prophets.

He didn't say ask if they want to repent then run them through or don't run them through if they repent no. Kill every man woman and child. So if it was not God's intention to save the person Why make Christ suffer their sin?

What is the function of that?

Now.

If that is these the words of The high priest of Moloch all right. He was crushed for our iniquities. I'm gonna use the the ESV rendering of this because at this point. It's it's it's it's rather good because it brings this out because it's the term Shalom.

Upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace and with his stripes. We are healed now. How does that have any meaning? To the person that we're talking about here. What what peace does that person have in?

Awaiting the final day of judgment today under the punishment of God. What peace do they have or? Is this not the peace that we see in Romans 5 1. Therefore having been justified by faith we have Irene a shalom peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

That's the context that's who is speaking here and that then becomes the context of the text that was. Just say it as a 53 6. All of us like sheep have gone astray. Did the high priest of Moloch think he had gone astray.

Each of us has turned to his own way but Yahweh has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on him. Well if we're going to be consistent and. Listen to the audience and listen to the results. Then you either have to be again a universalist and everyone's going to get saved including the high priest of Moloch.

Or you're gonna have to be reformed. It is the Arminian. Who is again stuck in the middle out there in theological? No man's land with no consistency in the position that they are taking and that is exactly what we have in that case there.

Well, let's let's look at another Isagetica. Lee quickly cited not given any context and showing no Knowledge of the fact that there have been discussions of all these passages over and over again. Verse.

How about John 12 32.

In John 12 32 Jesus said and I if I be lifted up from the earth will draw all men unto me.

No commentary no discussion of the fact that John chapter 12 verse 32 is in the context of the end of Jesus public ministry. Beginning in John chapter 13 you have Jesus ministering only to the disciples.

There's no discussion the fact that what prompts Jesus's words is In reference to the coming of Greeks seeking after him Greeks that Jesus never gives an audience to. In Fact he hides himself from them non Jews coming to seek Jesus.

That tells us something about the all men all kinds of men. That is the gospel is going to go out to Jews and Gentiles men from every tribe tongue people and nation. It is not all men as in every single person because we know That not every person has been drawn to Jesus Christ by the cross.

And in fact We are told very plainly that the cross is repellent to the natural man. It is repulsive to the natural man. Is there not a world of difference between how the regenerate man views the cross of Christ and The unregenerate man views the cross of Christ.

Of course there is so the idea that I will draw all men to myself.

Is.

Either an unfulfilled lie. Or it needs to be read in its own context because the simple fact matter is that's not what God has done. Now another text that is frequently cited Hebrews. Oops, I skipped over one.

Let's let's we'll be do Hebrews 2 in a second.

Let's listen to act 17. Act 17. Paul preached on Mars Hill in Athens Greece and said God commandeth all men everywhere to repent.

Now of course anyone who's been in a reformed church Who more than a couple weeks has heard that one cited because that's exactly right. God? Commands men everywhere to repent and that's why we can say to men everywhere repent.

What does that have to do with Calvinism. Nothing absolutely positively nothing? Oh, well if God doesn't if God doesn't change them then they can't. So what you're saying is God's grace can be demanded.

God has to Remove the power of the slavery of sin over everybody to be quote-unquote. Fair, right? That's a rejection of federalism. That's a rejection of the idea that we are in Adam and that Adam was our representative.

That would be a rejection then also in the very basis upon which we receive the righteousness of Christ. What do I mean by that Romans chapter 5 if you don't like the idea that you fell in Adam? If you don't like the idea that that curse comes upon you from what Adam did that that's not fair.

I would have done better. No you wouldn't have first of all, but secondly I Don't don't hold me accountable for what Adam did. Well, if you accept if you want to reject that federal concept. If you want to reject what happened, for example with Aiken Aiken sins at AI Jericho.

And.

What happens when the punishment comes. Was it just was it just Aiken who was stoned? No. It was his wife and kids and kitties and doggies. You go, I don't like that. Okay, before you get all upset about that as a good old American who one one man one vote.

I did it my way. John Wayne. Yahoo. Before you get before you get all upset about that remember something for by one man sin entered in. By the one man comes the gift. So if you don't like the idea that one set what someone else does can be held to your account can be imputed to your account.

Then to be consistent. You're gonna have to reject the idea that Christ Righteousness is imputed to you as your soul standing before God because that's what Paul taught in Romans 5. Oh. But I like that.

I like the idea that what Christ did, you know, that's that's imputed to me and I I like that. Okay, well be consistent. Reject them both or accept them both, but don't say I don't like the one but I'll accept the other.

It's right there. It's right there in front of us. Okay real quickly here. Let's get to. We'll do Hebrews 2 and then we'll try to get the calls in and then get back for first Timothy 2 as well because I.

Want to get that one. In Hebrews 2 9 powerful verse. Jesus by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

And again, no commentaries offered and it's a shame that that that it isn't offered. Because it really would be nice to see how these Interpretations are made to fit consistently because Hebrews chapter 2 continues the demonstration of the superiority of Christ that we saw in Hebrews chapter 1 even to Even to the angels the demonstration that Jesus Christ is Yahweh.