November 1, 2022 Show with Ryan Weingard on “How a United Methodist Pastor Came to Embrace the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace Through His Own Preaching”

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Good Afternoon. Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. Who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com? This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this first day of November 2022 and as Many of you know who listen to iron sharpens iron radio regularly.

Twice a year I have the iron sharpens iron radio free pastors luncheon and I invite Guest speakers the last one that I had featured dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega ministries who was actually my guest yesterday to discuss Reformation Day and I love meeting Men of God that I have never met before at these luncheons.

I of course love rekindling old friendships and sharing fellowship with beloved friends that I've known for many years who Sometimes just travel locally a short distance and some of them have traveled many hours from Long Island, New York and Georgia and North Carolina and other places, but I do love meeting first-time Folks or folks for the first time I should say.

As well and one of those folks that I knew that I had to get on iron sharpens iron radio is Ryan Weingart. Ryan is a former United Methodist pastor who converted to reform theology and is now Involved in a reformed church plant in Pennsylvania today.

We are going to be addressing his fascinating story how a United Methodist pastor came to embrace the doctrines of sovereign grace through his own preaching. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Ryan Weingart.

Wait, it's great to be to have you on and you are such a gregarious Gracious and humble man in addition to having a fascinating testimony that I Was thrilled to hear your acceptance of my invitation and look forward to our discussion.

We have a tradition here an iron sharpens iron radio whenever we have a first-time guest that that guest gives a summary of their salvation testimony and Before we move on to how you actually embrace the doctrines of sovereign grace.

I would love to hear from you. How you actually first? Became saved by the grace of God that story Would include what kind of religious atmosphere if any in which you were raised and What kind of providential circumstances or a sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you?

So let's hear your story. Well very well.

Many blessings there. I considered myself a Christian and stayed away from all the party scenes and all that throughout school. I did attend public school. But then as I entered adulthood and I went to college I Strayed from the path and had some rebellious time there.

So the real fascinating part of my salvation story I would consider myself actually being saved as an adult because I do not believe that. I Really believed and so I had strayed so far at one point. But I I was going through a rough patch and I actually picked up a Bob Marley album on vinyl at a local record store one one day and I brought that home and I didn't.

I'd listen to Bob Marley But didn't really know what he sang about and I was sitting there on my apartment floor listening to this record I just bought and I hadn't read my Bible in two years or so. I looked over and saw my Bible sticking out under a stack of papers.

I went over and I picked it up and I sat down and I just randomly opened it to a psalm and As I looked down at the page I heard the lyrics that Bob was singing coming out of the speaker as I read them on the page and That really threw me for a loop.

I immediately closed the Bible Shoved it back under the papers and left.

So even Bob Marley a Rastafarian was preaching the gospel to you.

But the Sun shall not might be by day nor the moon by night. I believe it but yeah. And then and I went to that same record store and I bought a Peter Tosh album. Now Peter Tosh was one of the whalers.

It was Bob Marley and the whalers. This was a solo album. He did and it was almost identical. I threw this desk on the record player sat down saw the Bible grabbed it. Randomly opened it to another psalm.

Completely random and as the words came out of the speaker, I read them. Huh? I did not just shove my Bible back under the papers. I had to sit and think about this.

This is kind of like an Augustine story where he heard children playing and they were saying pick up and read or take up and read and that was To Augustine a sign from God to pick up the Bible and start reading it.

And how long did it take for your dreadlocks to grow out.

I.

Had no idea that was just a joke. And if you don't mind and and let's not forget where you left off there back up a little bit because. The United Methodist Church.

Is.

Of is not as monolithic as people may think. It is not all leftist. Not every congregation is apostate. There are in fact especially since I began Conducting my pastor's luncheons here in Pennsylvania after moving here from New York there have been a reasonable number considerable number of United Methodist pastors who have come who are evangelical Bible-believing and.

So what was the kind of United Methodist congregation? In which you were raised. And also if you don't mind, I mean obviously this will in some way reveal how old you are, but What years would this have been.

Because it's probably a lot harder these days To find a United Methodist Church that is in any way faithful to the scripture and I know that there was even a recent split where the more conservative Members who believed in biblical inerrancy and so on and opposed The atrocities and the abominations of homosexuality and abortion and so on Left the United Methodist Church to enter into or to form the global Methodist Church.

But but tell us about this Methodist congregation in which you were raised.

Methodist Upbringing, Female Leadership, and Denominational Drift

Yeah 1991 early 90s in that area. First female pastor. So they send us the female and I'm sure you're familiar. But if listeners are not familiar the United Methodist system is itinerant as they call it.

It follows an old tradition right. Circuit writing preachers. And so the conference assigned you pastors and you don't get a lot of choice so. We we liked our pastor at the time. But they decided it was time to make a change and we got our first woman pastor that I recall.

That Kind of blew up the church. In some ways people weren't accepting of that.

Now I Believe that that is a very serious violation of the scriptures. I'm not an egalitarian by any means. I am a firm believer in exclusively male headship in the church and I believe the Husbands and fathers are to be leaders in their Household, but having said that I do know that there are.

Women in.

Pastoral ministry out there who are amazingly in every other way conservative and even evangelical. Would that be the case with this woman or was she?

More of a feminist and liberal that I do believe that a full-out feminist with us. I Do recall a couple of anti-gun sermons that she preached and were people are very proud of you know. They enjoy their guns and proud of their hunting and and those did not go over.

Well, so I believe that she was More liberal than I knew at the time.

Yes, in fact. Even being a conservative United Methodist pastor doesn't guarantee that you'll be a Christian. I found that out the hard way. When my show iron sharpens iron radio was being conducted out of WNYG radio in Babylon, Long Island, New York and.

A.

Bible believing evangelical United Methodist pastor who is a friend of mine now retired Dick Williamson. Dr. Dick Williamson who was for many years The pastor of the Seaford United Methodist Church on Long Island and he was able to remain there for decades.

Unlike the the story that you just told I think it was because the The denomination knew that the congregation would not stand for a minute for a liberal and Long Island, New York. It's very very difficult to find a Conservative evangelical Bible-believing Methodist pastor so they they just left him be but anyway, he told me hey you should Give a call to the new pastor at Simpson United Methodist Church in Amityville, Long Island.

I hear he's a conservative and and Dick did not know much else about him. So I did a program on.

On A.

Conservative evangelical pastors in liberal denominations. That was the theme and I had a Evangelical pastor in the PC USA on and I had a pastor from It may have been an Episcopal Church who was Bible-believing and evangelical and I had the United Methodist pastor on.

And.

We were having a conversation before we went on the air. In the studio one of the pastors asked. Hey guys, what's your favorite? Bible translation and one said oh, I like love my old King James and the other one said I Use the NASB in my pulpit and the United Methodist pastor said I prefer the New World Translation.

I said what I said, excuse me. That's the Jehovah's Witness Bible. He said oh, yes I'm an Aryan and then The engineer said Chris you're going on the air in 30 seconds and I I Had to scramble to know what to do.

I was in a panic and I changed the theme at the last second to pastors in liberal denominations who are against abortion that way kept the topic away from theological issues because There was no way I was going to promote the idea that this guy is it was an Aryan so that that was a amazing lesson because I didn't know that you could actually be an Aryan at that time and Be a United Methodist, even though they allowed all kinds of liberal heresies in there.

I Did not know that even the deity of Christ was up for grabs as far as ordination. Oh, yeah. I Do a lot more diligent vetting these days. But pick up where we left off you were a dreadlock wearing guy who Now now were you convinced that you actually became?

Regenerate became born again during these experiences or after these experiences Listening to the reggae music, but it just so happened that the specific songs were quoting scripture.

Happen to have those words from there. You want to talk about what they believe? Oh, yeah.

Are you very familiar with them enough to discuss them in detail? I think I could do a decent job. Okay. Yeah. And interestingly enough some of them have fellowship with the black Hebrew Israelites, or should I just say? Hebrew is it Israelites?

They don't use the word black in the description of themselves, but they happen to be all black but they sometimes gather together at meetings as I was told by Oscar Dunlap who I interviewed he's a deacon at Apologia Church in Mesa, Arizona and he was a black or should I say a Hebrew Israelite and Came to Christ Primarily after Seeing dr. James R. White debate one of their leaders and he saw his leader just utterly annihilated as far as the discussion went and He was he was convinced he needed to further investigate The theology of dr. James R. White and he by the mercy of God gets saved.

But anyway, I interrupted you there Right.

I.

Anyway, I was at this concert and I I remember just feeling kind of overwhelmed and I prayed a prayer. I stood there and I said Lord I don't know who this Rastafari they're singing about is but and this was literally my prayer.

I said, uh, but I do know from growing up in the church that Jesus Christ is God and I just want to give my life to you now and Then I looked at the stage and I added to the prayer and I'll grow dreadlocks like theirs as a sign of my commitment.

And that's that's what I consider Basically my salvation moment now from that point forward. I returned to my local Methodist Church. To town villain. Most Methodist churches are arranged in what they call a charge so you have multiple churches in the charge and this particular charge had Townville and a church called Troy Center and At that time I moved out of Meadville where?

Where the zipper was invented by the way a little fun historical fact. But I moved out of Meadville and over to Troy Center, which is about 20 miles east In the middle of nowhere and There's Troy Center right at the bottom of the hill about a half mile from my house.

So I Played guitar and I started playing some of this reggae music of Bob's that I was enjoying and my dad was lay pastor at the time so they Lay speaker I should say The layman who could preach sermons and was licensed to by the church.

And he was going to preach that week and wanted me to play a song so I played with him at Townville. I went down to Troy Center where I'd never been. I played with him there and I Looked around and I went this is where I need to be at the pastor and they already had a piano player.

But she invited me in and I started playing hymns for them on the guitar. Now right at that time we started get it we got another pastor who Took a lot of money out of the church and People weren't happy with him and the church started to kind of split over this this pastor.

So he wasn't very biblically solid so what I walked into as I as I sought to Reinforce this faith. I'd recommitted myself to I walked into a Pastoral leader who looked me straight in the eye and said because I had a question about the Old Testament.

He said it doesn't matter. It's Old Testament. We use the New Testament here and That kind of upset me because I had the whole Bible in my hand.

As every Christian should not that that's not that they should never have the compact New Testament's but That's not to be the sole basis of their faith. It's the entire the whole Council of God. You don't even understand new to the New Testament rightly unless you understand the Old Testament.

But you mean her tenure as a pastor not her life. You don't need the Old Testament. Out of all of that what I'm trying to get out here is that I I did not receive the training that I needed in order to understand the Christianity I was pursuing and because of that it left me Astray in a way and I don't know if you've heard of Steve Vanguard's or Josh Packer some people.

But I I decided that maybe I didn't understand the Bible I didn't see healings happening these these miracles didn't happen anymore. I had no Leadership to help me understand why I was given a New interpreters study Bible and I don't know if you're familiar with that group.

No, it is very liberal and out of all of that I I kind of Started practicing a syncretism. I embraced the New Age and Christianity and was some way trying to meld them together. And I had to climb out of that on my own.

New Age Syncretism and the Need for Biblical Authority

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In.

Fact, let's pick up right where you left off there because we have to go to our first station break and. If anybody has a question for Ryan Weingart about his journey from a United Methodist pastor into the Reformed faith and that was done by the grace and mercy of God and the power of the Holy Spirit Using his own preaching and if you have a question, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnsen at gmail .com as.

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Who converted to reformed theology and is now? Involved in a reformed church plant in Pennsylvania. And we are addressing how a United Methodist pastor came to embrace the doctrines of sovereign grace through his own preaching.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arn z e and gmail .com. Give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence. And before the break Ryan you were talking about How you became unfortunately involved in syncretism you were trying to meld The New Age movement together with Christianity which seems to be something very common when people are involved in the New Age or the occult or any other kind of aberrant religion.

They they try very often to import elements of Christianity into what they Teach. There are very few people and very few religions that outright condemn Jesus Christ. And want nothing to do with him. Obviously they in reality want nothing to do with the true Christ of the scriptures but they will very often include him in some way in their rhetoric in their propaganda and their false teaching and.

So you were in this process if you could pick up where you left off. So these people are not the people that you're mentioning are now they're now evangelical Christian.

Yeah, okay, cool.

You know I.

Not to interrupt you again. But I have found. For the first time ever. Now there may be folks that disagree with him, but my dear friend Roger Salter.

He.

He has been on my program. He is a reformed Anglican. He's a five-point Calvinist and He said that Prevenient grace on my show not long ago. Prevenient grace is a title that was robbed by Both Roman Catholics and Armenians.

That has a reformed meaning and.

I.

Believe he was referring to the effectual call and calling it prevenient grace which I've never heard any other reformed person do but I just thought I'd throw that out there because apparently there are reformed people who are truly reformed who use that term, but have a different understanding of it than obviously Rome and The Arminians would.

He brought up a book called the Franklin cover-up a book written by a senator John de Kamp in the early 90s. Just real quick. It was about a satanic ritual abuse Scandal that they uncovered while doing investigation into the savings and loans scandals of the 80s.

Those who are alive remember that I'm sure they're investigating the Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska and they uncovered a ritual abuse ring and this all got covered up and the senator at the time felt like it was such a An important story that at least he had to get it out.

So he wrote a book about it.

So this was an actual proven satanic ritual abuse Story because there were especially in the 80s a lot of fraudulent stories that charlatans posing as Christian evangelists, especially in the charismatic realm were peddling these things that turned out to be totally false.

So you're saying this was an actual true account.

And that's where Jerry Sandusky was working at the time. So the idea might be that he continued the same Practices that they were doing and moved it to Penn State. So this is as legitimate as you can get when it comes to a book now.

The reason the book was written is because the grand jury investigation ended up convicting the witness the victim witnesses instead of Going after the perpetrators. So senator to camp wrote the book trying to get it out and give all his info.

So that being said I Read that Learned all about the satanic ritual abuse the real stuff in it and it. Yeah, I am familiar with the satanic panic and I did watch the Geraldo episode that he had and There was some shadiness and there were some false stories peddled about but in this case Another interest of mine popped up and that was in the Nephilim which I enjoyed talking to.

Your former co-host there at your pastor's luncheon about because I listened to your episode on that. Oh buzz Taylor you mean.

Buzz Taylor my former co-host on the line. Okay. Yeah.

That's who I talked about. I was interested in it and this all came together in one random occurrence while I was at work. Um, I found out about a conference in Newark, Ohio called Nephilim Mounds conference about the Nephilim.

I went. Well, that's that. Sounds fun. You know and I saw there is this la martini was speaking who I'd heard talk about giant and then. Man named Russ Dizdar. I'd never heard of him. He he passed away this year.

I.

Consider him a friend and a brother. So his passing was sad but he was speaking and I didn't know who he was and I Saw he had a podcast and I'm I work in Meadville PA and I turned this his last Podcast on and I'm sitting there listening to a long work and then he starts talking about Satanic ritual abuse, of course, the first thought was what in the world does this have to do with the Nephilim?

I was a little confused but.

The.

Providential moment came when I'm listening at work and he goes I was dealing with a victim and and then he hesitated when I was in Meadville PA and I just oh my goodness here and He had this horrible story.

He told and I just about fell off my chair and I went home and said Kelly We have to go. What I gained from this conference that has to do with our story is He convinced me that Satanism was real that it was pervasive and that it was extremely damaging and he also convinced me that the Old and New Testament did in fact fit together and that the Bible should be our sole authority that we need to believe it's true and That's something that was being.

That was not being enforced in the church. I was and at the time so.

I.

Became convinced that if we have the Bible we need to understand it and we need to believe it out of this this whole story. I don't want to lead you down these rabbit trails too far, you know.

We need to get to me preaching and converting that right? We do. We do have about an hour left. So that's fine.

We got a new pastor and he was Korean and just so you're aware. So everyone is the church. The Methodist Church was applying both critical gender theory and critical race theory. Okay, the application of it was happening.

So the reason we got a Korean pastor and we were basically I was told this at one point. Was to because our denomination was too uniform. That our denominations should represent the diversity of God's kingdom and therefore we should have white and black Asians and Latinas all these should be represented.

And if your church doesn't represent it well enough if they're too uniform then what they would do is take a woman pastor for instance. Critical gender theory. Placed her in your pulpit force you to deal with her.