Radio Free Geneva: Hinduism, Racism, and Calvinism

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Yeah, somebody on twitter says this is what happens when you keep rich pierce in the basement downloading debates, uh, yeah uh, and uh, then we had mutato's version and We had a number of incarnations the steve green one as we tried to make it sound better and work better.

But uh and uh now now now the heavy metal version of uh, uh I'm, not sure if i'm supposed to be going over to wittenberg in in 2017. Maybe more than once, uh, actually so i'm Maybe i'll bring that over there and see how that flies with my german friends.

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So difficult is by the way. It has been renamed That is known as a mighty radio free geneva. Oh, okay That is the a mighty radio free. Well, we'll have to make it worthwhile then uh with all of that, uh waking everybody up and uh, I guess I guess, uh, we we can pull that off.

Uh, because this was probably one of the most tweeted um articles that has ever appeared on the internet to me I In fact, I even had to say on twitter. Yes. Yes. I saw the calvinist thing stop already cease desist.

Uh because I was just getting slammed with everybody Uh referring to this article on sbc today now evidently sbc today Is the clearinghouse for every kind of silly anti-calvinism. Uh that can uh that can be developed amongst the the folks in the southern bass convention who are Fighting that rear guard action.

Uh, and it is a rear guard action um, they're they're losing the battle and they know it and they're getting more and more desperate and so we're getting all sorts of Odd stuff out there and when I went to get this article I ended up Seeing a number of other articles on sbc today, uh that likewise were Let's just say good material for radio free geneva bad stuff and then someone sent me a tweet of a video and made some comment about Give us some assistance up here in canada.

So i'm assuming That the video is of someone from canada. He's a a rather large fellow with long hair. Um, and we'll be looking at a couple of his comments just in passing uh as well during the course of today's Program here on radio free geneva if you're not familiar with it If if you if you're a new listener since april evidently Uh radio free geneva is a program we do once in a while here on the dividing line where we address primarily bad arguments against calvinism.

And The number of arguments against calvinism that are bad In comparison a number of arguments against calvinism that are good. Well, there really isn't much of a comparison. Um, the vast majority of material that is out there that argues against reformed theology is Uh based upon an ignorance of reformed theology based upon Circular reasoning based upon certain emotional traditions that obviously certain people don't want to Try to really deal with whatever else It might be and um so That's what we're normally dealing with.

Sometimes we deal with some serious stuff serious arguments we've reviewed william lane craig and um a number of other individuals who are considered to be leading arminian scholars and stuff like that, but Again, the vast majority of the stuff that most of us have to deal with When we're answering questions about reformed theology isn't the good stuff.

I mean You know, I sort of became known in this area when I wrote the potter's freedom. And the potter's freedom was response to a bad book by norman geisler and it's still a bad book today um badly argued badly researched badly presented.

Um, and it ended up being a book that introduced many many many people to reformed theology and continues to do that Even to this day, thankfully. Um, so that's where a lot of stuff is coming from and i'm gonna have to ask you to sneak in here and do the uh, Fan thing again because it's still it's still phoenix and it's still the monsoon season.

So, uh. Yeah, I know hey it was uh, well go to colorado. Yeah, and uh, When I when I rode the triple bypass, I didn't mention this got the worst hypothermia i've ever ever gotten. Uh, maybe I did mention.

I don't know but um, i'll blame all loss of memory on the hypothermia. I got descending uh squaw pass into into Idaho springs, but anyway It was while I was up there that this article um Was originally posted on the sbc today website published on monday july 20th 2015 by dr. Michael a cox pastor the first baptist church of prior oklahoma now.

As soon as I saw that I went, uh, huh. I'm I know this is going to be good um. The reason being that some of you may recall i've spoken In metropolitan prior oklahoma more than once in fact. And my my good brother derek melton is down there, uh, and uh so He had actually sent me a copy of a book uh by uh, dr. Michael a cox against calvinism.

And it's it's basically the oh those terrible calvinists Want to send little babies to hell type of stuff. And in other words, it's there dr. Cox does not show either Ability or willingness and sometimes until you meet someone you can't tell which one's which um to actually Hear what is being said and to respond to Reform theology in a serious fashion and instead it's the you know Strum the heart strings and and uh go after all the old canards.

Which again is what you normally end up dealing with when you are dealing with these particular issues and so uh when I when I saw the Title of the article I was like, okay this is not surprising to me because dr. Cox in his book demonstrated a Um numerous errors of category Commits many category errors.

Um seems to believe as long as it will argue against calvinism. We'll go we'll go with it whether it's a good argument or not. Whether it involves us in using argumentation that we make our own position Look extremely silly.

It doesn't really matter. Uh, we'll we'll go for it. Anyways. And so the title is is calvinism spiritual racism. Is calvinism spiritual racism. In this brief article, I'll contend that hinduism Racism and calvinism have many things in common now you immediately stop and recognize at least if you're a person who has At some point in your life done some reading on logic uh proper forms of argumentation.

This kind of comparison thing Can be used. Well is is most often abused. And is only overly relevant to people who Just Don't think with their minds, but with their hearts instead. Um, I mean we could be real easy to write an article about um.

You know, um The dallas cowboys the obama administration and arminianism. I'm sure I could find something to tie them all together. Sorry tom. Um Uh. You know, it's it's real easy to say well, you know, you've got uh Yeah, you've got this kind of person over here and you got this kind of person over there and this guy and that must mean as if similarity proves some kind of Substantial argumentative point when obviously it doesn't but um, he says, uh, I will contend that hinduism racism and calvinism have many things in common too many for christians not to be alarmed.

Such disturbing common denominators Should give pause to all calvinists and any who are entering thoughts of embracing the doctrines espoused by calvinism and reformed theology. So the scary thing is he's serious about this.

Um, that's that's what's really frightening about this to be honest with you is he's actually serious about this. Then you have the To make these False analogy arguments work you have to very carefully choose The elements you're going to parallel.

And to do that you always have to ignore the fundamental foundations Of the systems or groups obviously. Hinduism is a religion with 330 million gods. Calvinism is a religion with one god who's the creator of all things.

Any attempt to parallel anything between those two that does not address the fundamental world world view that is obviously Vacuous. Utterly without merit. No serious thinker could ever could ever even begin to think like this, but that's what you get and then you throw in racism.

Racism is not a world view racism is not a religion. Racism can take all sorts of different forms um, and so. Anyway reincarnationists like hindus Avoid the giving of invitations. Now, I just stop immediately.

Yeah, I know that Every once in a while we got to deal with some of the weird stuff that's out there and this is this is one of them. Yeah, you never it's gonna be hard not to chuckle a little bit. Again, the thing that's frightening here is that dr. Cox Actually seriously is suggesting this stuff.

Reincarnationists like hindus Obviously to seriously discuss hinduism in any way. Which I doubt dr. Cox really understands hinduism. I I don't understand hinduism and i've listened to multiple graduate level courses on hinduism and I find it next to impossible to Work through all the variations because I just have not had dialogue with enough hindus to even begin to start putting it together but Reincarnation is a belief that hindus and other groups Hold in common, but the reason for it is going to differ depending upon the group.

And the role that reincarnation plays and in the cycle um within hinduism you have this this this cycle that you're on in regards, you know karma and And karmic debt and and all the rest that kind of stuff and and there's all sorts of forms of hinduism.

So exactly how that works out again. This is why all these analogy arguments are normally just for for very simple-minded folks that just just don't want to actually deal with the issue um. But this is backwards.

But anyways reincarnationists like hindus avoid the giving of invitations. You mean You mean like charles finney invitations in churches. That they they also generally don't wear bow ties. Who cares what what is what is the logical connection here there?

There isn't any and and that's One of the things that ties together a lot of arguments against calvinism is um, when you start searching for the rational the logical the truthful. Um, it just goes. It's it's gone.

Um, so avoid the giving of invitations. Publicity or advertisement. And simply trust the law of attraction to draw their own to them and them to their own now a A reference was was provided um to William walker atkinson reincarnation and the law of karma.

A study of the old new world doctrine of rebirth and spiritual cause and effect. Yogi publication society 1908 page 108. The do you think if we look that up? That he's actually talking about anything that would be somewhat relevant To drawing a parallel to anything else.

I I have a feeling Probably not now the hindu believing in karmic debt. And things like that and the the life cycle um hinduism Very rarely produces what we as christians would identify as an evangelistic fervor.

Um the need to Get others to make a Faith commitment or something like that? And and so I can only assume that the reason for even Getting this In here starting with this is the oft made false straw man Argument that well calvinists Aren't evangelistic.

You know spurgeon never led anybody to the lord and uh, yeah those first missionaries. But they may have said they were calvinists. They weren't really calvinists and and uh, there's just so so many. You know, I I can barely find time to go debate muslims because there's so many arminians out there doing the Same thing, uh calling them to christ.

But anyway Um, he goes on this is fueled by a primary tenet of hinduism. Namely that one is born into a caste out of which there is no escape in life. Sort of that's more of the result of the whole karma cycle type thing.

Thus hinduism propounds social determinism characterized by social superiority social caste social election social bigotry social presidents prejudice and social exclusivity well that has been the result of the theology of the karmic cycle.

But all of that is tied up with the entire hindu worldview, which is extremely polytheistic so. What dr. Cox doesn't seem to recognize or understand because i'm afraid a lot of these guys Are so focused upon the hatred of calvinism.

They never think twice about. If they were to reach out outside of their little circle. To people outside of that could they use consistent arguments out there? That would not contradict the arguments they're using inside this little circle and so.

What he's doing here is the same thing that atheists do to christianity. When they try to create these connections between well There are all sorts of dying and rising gods in the ancient world and that's where that's where Jesus came from was he's this is just the dying rising god stuff.

Um. The problem with all of that as I explained in my second debate with dan barker a number of years ago is this uh. This craze to fry this parallelomania as it has been rightly called. And this is this is a good example of a christian practicing parallelomania.

And obviously dr. Cox doesn't have to deal with atheists using parallelomania against christianity. Maybe he's just not out there doing the evangelism amongst those folks so much Possible don't know. You'd think it would cause him to not write things like this.

But anyway, um. This parallelomania uh the argument being that well, you see mithra and you you see dionysus and you see the the uh, egyptian gods, uh. All that kind of stuff. Uh, what about that? Ignoring the fundamental problem That christianity is monotheistic comes out of its jewish milieu, which is monotheistic which recognizes all these Other gods as false gods.

There is such a fundamental foundational chasm between the two that trying to draw a parallel is Is intellectually dishonest or empty. And that's what's going on here so. Yes, we can we can certainly it is certainly an apologetic issue in dealing with hinduism to point out that its theology has resulted in a um a horrific suffering on the part of many people and that christianity Uh calls For all men to and women to recognize that the ground is level at the foot of the cross.

And that while christianity does not unlike what some people in the modern day world think destroy the creative Intentions of god in male and female so on and so forth it does Say that all men and women Stand on an equal ground before god and therefore all these class distinctions and the the bigotry and so on and so forth.

Uh cannot survive Cannot survive that. Then after hinduism we have racism uh. Racism is the dogma dogma. That one ethnic group is condemned by nature to heredity Inferiority and another group is destined to hereditary superiority.

Thus racism propounds racial determination determinism characterized by racial superiority or racial superiority racial election racial caste racial bigotry racial prejudice and racial exclusivity, well, this is this is a such a obvious Forming of racism into something.

You're just you're just trying to create something you can draw parallels to rather than actually examining the Experience of racism. I mean there's every single culture. I mean talk to the japanese Chinese and koreans about racism.

I Didn't know until I read a book on the rape of nanking. And the atrocities committed by the imperial japanese armies in in world war ii. But world war ii before we even knew there was a world war ii in the united states to be honest with you starting in the in the mid 1930s and what japan did in china was just Absolutely.

I mean most in the west don't know about it because we Have so needed japan's japan as an ally since then that most people don't realize. While we had the nuremberg trials which should now be called the planned parenthood trials.

Um, but while we had the nuremberg trials, we didn't do that in japan um. There were numerous Uh war criminals in japan that were simply never pursued um and even to this day there remains a a hesitance on the part of the leadership of Of japan to admit what japan actually did during world war ii.

But if you want to know racism wow uh There you've got racism and you saw racism in a religious sense in germany's murder of of jews. And you have racism in the united states in fact today. The most obvious forms of racism I see Are on the part of minorities.

I mean, you're allowed to be a racist if you're in a minority. You're allowed to speak as a racist. You're allowed to act as a racist. You're allowed to think as a racist. You're allowed to express racist thoughts.

If you're in a minority in the united states. Um, there's racism everywhere, but those are all different kinds. Some are ethnic some are genetic. There's all sorts of different kinds of races. This is a this is a such a surface level transparent attempt to throw a emotional thing in And define it in such a way that it provides you with a parallel.

That's all it is. That's that's all that's all it is. Then calvinism and and well, let's see how Accurate uh Dr. Cox can be calvinism is a dogma of spiritual determinism characterized by spiritual Superiority spiritual election a spiritual caste spiritual bigotry spiritual prejudice and certainly by spiritual Exclusivity clearly it shares some distressing affinities with hindu and racism.

That is Dr. Cox owes his own people an apology. Apology and I don't know who runs sbc today. But whoever does Posting this kind of drivel Destroys Any credibility you're trying to you're trying to present.

Do you all not care? I mean if a calvinist seriously posted An argument like this And I saw it I would be the first one to say that is absurd. That is ridiculous. Don't do that. But this has been up there now for what?

Uh nine days. And no one's polled it. Because of its objective, so you call that a description of calvinism now after this it certainly never happened, but I personally I I would personally Love if if dr. Cox honestly thinks that this is a truthful argument.

Then dr. Cox you don't have a clue what calvinism is. You you do not know sir I it I don't even know how else to put it, but but you are absolutely Lighting up the biggest straw man i've ever seen. I'd like to introduce you Um to a little little pamphlet.

I should have grabbed it. Um, it's it's one of the best antidotes for cage stagers as well. But it's called the practical implications of calvinism by albert martin. Little banner booklet. It's a little booklet.

Dr. Cox you didn't even try To substantiate any of this stuff you just throw it out there without any foundation whatsoever. It's it's horrific now. Like I said, i've got friends and prior. And dr. Cox if you really seriously think this is true Then I would say to you you have a moral debt.

If you're going to stand behind this kind of drivel, you have a moral Debt to defend it. And i'll come there to be the one to dialogue with you about it. How about I think a lot of folks would like to to see that conversation because I think they'd like to see you attempt To substantiate this kind of silliness.

Do you do you think That israel because they were chosen by god was a spiritual cast. That that involves spiritual bigotry and spiritual prejudice and spiritual exclusivity. I mean Think about it. Dr. Cox the jews didn't even ask the egyptians to come.

And and participate in the sacrifices in the temple. Oh such exclusivity. But dr. Cox, do you preach from the old testament? Hmm. Well I happen to know Dr. Cox that um I've got an open invitation to come back there to prior.

Um. The folks there are so kind that I don't even have to wear cowboy boots now they all do. Um, in fact the pastor of the church May sleep in cowboy boots. I'm, not certain but I've I and in fact, I I think if we went out and like tried to do some running or cycling or something.

He'd probably wear cowboy boots for that too. Very strange, but they're very kind people. They overlook my lack of cowboy bootedness. I live in arizona. I could find boots here, but it's just not my thing.

Um. But we could put all that aside. They are so kind that they could put it all aside. And uh would allow me to come there and and we could arrange a night and i'll come to your church pastor cox and um.

And we'll have a discussion. Are calvinists spiritual? Racists or hindus? How about? Because I know that in five minutes I can Demonstrate that this exists solely your article dr. Cox exists solely on the level of drivel.

That is the only way to describe is drivel. This is this is not Serious stuff but i'll come. Because you see you may not be wanting to put out serious material on this. I think the I think the subject is far more important than evidently you do.

Because if you thought it was really as important as it is you would put serious thought into what you're saying. There is no serious thought here. I'm, sorry there isn't. There isn't. The the the response to it was universally.

You've got to be kidding me. That's and and that's not because calvinists just can't think we just can't hear the truth. The caste systems of hinduism racism and calvinism then. Becoming nothing more than media for propagating human prejudice and notions of elitism.

And for hinduism and calvinism they are dressed up in religious garb like a wolf in sheep's clothing making them even deadlier. You know this reminds me of gail ripplinger. This is this is this is this is theological gail ripplinger ism Ripplinger might be a little higher than this.

I don't know. Calvinism is nothing short of baptized racism advocating the dogma that one group the non-elect is condemned by god To spiritual inferiority in another group. The elect is destined to spiritual superiority.

I'm, not implying that calvinists are racist. I'm merely attempting to draw enlightening parallels between hinduism racism and calvinism. I'm, sorry. You've got to do a lot better than that a lot better than that.

To get away with the i'm not trying to do that Type thing. Yeah, i'm thinking the titanic arguments on a higher plane so far the titanic. Yeah the titanic argument. Yeah, it's um. A troublemaker from montana just tweeted.

Uh, I just tuned in. Can you start over from the beginning? Um. All three share numerous common denominators see chart below. Hence the term baptized racism denotes the presence of prejudice though, not racial in the spiritual realm spiritual bigotry.

If you will hinduism determines the ins and the outs by birth into a caste racism determines the ins and outs by skin color. Calvinism or more properly calvinism's view of god determines the ins and outs by election so.

Evidently, dr. Cox has a god Who has no decree? Um who Is just reacting to man. And Has no elect people even though paul says I endure all things the sake of the elect and and all that kind of stuff. I i'd ask biblical questions, but there were no there's no biblical argumentation here.

We could we could look at the passages on election and I looked at dr. Cox's, um, very lengthy Biomaterial on his website and uh. Very central in the description of dr. Cox is his emphasis upon Grammatical historical interpretation and exegesis.

The bible is the foundation of everything. Well, how about dr. Cox? How about you and I do that? How about you and I do john 6 and how about you and I do ephesians 1. We we saw what happened recently with romans 9 when it came to exegesis.

Um, how about you and I do that right there in your church? Well, it won't cost you a dime. We'll we'll make it happen. We'll make it happen. Be happy to do it um. All three fail miserably acknowledging the presence of the image of god inherent in every human making each person of inestimable value.

Really? Really so. So could you explain why the imago dei Is so central to reform theology so central to our understanding of the power of sin to the seriousness of sin. To the necessity of atonement in light of the wrath of god.

Um. Have you read anything sir? That we've actually written on this subject. Or are you just sort of assuming this based upon what you think? We actually believe or practice it is. Obviously on on on one level.

Dr. Cox. I just I just have to rebuke you. Christians are supposed to be honest people. And I don't see a shred of honesty in your dealing with reformed theology not a bit. And I can say this as one look.

Read the potter's freedom. Read the chosen but free. And. Even when dr. Geisler's classes tried to find some ground of accusing me of misrepresentation. Refutation of it was simplistic. No one's ever been able To substantiate any misrepresentation.

So I just ask you why do you have to use one hundred percent pure misrepresentation? Rather than an accurate view of the system that you're analyzing. I I don't understand it. If you've got good arguments bring them out this.

This only confirms all of us in our position. Um again all calvinists are not racists but have many. But have many calvinists embraced what amounts to spiritual racism because it is a more comfortable Christian philosophy which allows for the seemingly natural human propensity towards some form of individual superiority allegedly predetermined by god.

It would be interesting now remember. Central to reform theology is the recognition that we are all undeserving sinners redeemed by grace. Absolutely central. There is no ground for boasting. It's the it's the arminian who says that he is able in and of himself to respond to the gospel call.

He's equal with everybody else, but he is able to respond the other person doesn't and so it's in arminianism. That the final determining difference is in me and not in god. It's only the calvinist that recognizes the biblical teaching that man is dead in sin has a heart of stone.

Has to have a heart of flesh given to him. Dr. Cox doesn't seem to understand this. It would be interesting to know how many non-caucasians actually embrace five-point calvinism as a genuine bible doctrine.

My suspicion is that plenty of ethnic minorities do not so. That seems to be a direct assertion of racism in regards to theology. I'm sure that all those korean presbyterians um who were Brought up on the westminster confession of faith would laugh at you.

If you would get out of your small little southern baptist circles and actually start having some interaction. The people dr. Cox. I mean wow. The biblical triune god reveals himself as god the father god the son and god the holy spirit created every human being in his image.

And loves the entire world of humanity so dearly that he gave his only begotten son to rescue all Who would believe in jesus? I'm glad you recognized the reality there. That he gave his only son to rescue all who would believe in jesus.

There's the particularity sir. Have you noticed that particularity? It's right there. Pass hop is geo and everyone believe me. I'm glad you see that He desires all people who save him to come to knowledge of the truth first timothy 2 4.

But i'm sure you have taken time dr Cox i'm sure you've taken time to look at the context of that and realize that the all people is defined beforehand as groups of people right. Kings those in authority remember?

I mean, that's the context you do grammatical historical stuff, right? And so if you follow the the context through. Are you then consistent dr. Cox and does jesus intercede for? Everyone who's in hell because it talks about jesus being the one media between god and man.

So he's mediating for all of mankind as you're interpreting it, right? So jesus is pleading for the father to save those who are in hell or will be going to hell, right? So there's dissonance in in the godhead, correct?

Just checking because i'm sure you've had to think all these things through. To make this kind of bold assertion. You've thought these things through. Yes. And then of course is not willing that he should perish while she can repent.

Second peter 3 9 follow the pronouns. We all agree with that. Certainly not in the way that he's interpreting it because the all is defined there as the elect. But Racism is rude and pride and pride is one of the three root sins identified in first john 2 15 through 16 along with the lust.

The eyes and lust the flesh. Racism is nothing short of proving a prideful ideology of supposed genetic superiority over every other race. And seeking to brainwash others into embracing such and often blasphemously employing god's word the bible to do so likewise likewise likewise.

Calvinism is nothing short of promoting a prideful theology of supposed superior spiritual superiority due to election. Dr. Cox. Certainly you recognize That you are now under a moral debt To be to back up.

With citations from our literature Where we promote the idea that the elect are superior. We're better Than other people. I mean you're gonna have to ignore the constant drumbeat Over and over and over again of the fact that we recognize That the you in the tulip.

You don't seem to understand and you don't think we actually believe it. Because unconditional election means there was nothing in me That brought about god's election. So I can't be superior to somebody else because there wasn't anything in me.

We were all equally spiritually dead. So you don't understand the t you don't understand the you. Such misrepresentation of god in christ cannot go unanswered. Like I said when you make statements like this sir you As a christian minister are under obligation To back these absurdities up and you cannot do so.

So the only thing to do sir is to is to withdraw is to is to say I apologize. I I completely Blew it. I became overly emotional uh, and I apologize, I mean that's. That's really the only thing you can do.

God has demonstrated his love for all people many times over. He did so by promising to make abraham Abram from ur of the chaldees a blessing to all the families of the earth. Could you explain how that worked out for the egyptians sir?

No, it works out today because they're elect people amongst the egyptians, but How about in the days of moses? Seems to have been some election there ask pharaoh in his army. Just just saying ask pharaoh in his army.

There seems to have been a choice that was made there. Abram placed faith in the bible god obeyed god and became the spiritual father of faith blazing a trail for others to follow as he Demonstrated what truly means to place faith in god and live out that faith.

A faith that of course paul identifies as a gift from god in philippians 1 29 and ephesians 2. God also that wasn't in the text obviously. God also showed his love for all people by miraculously allowing language buried to be crossed for visitors to jerusalem residents of jerusalem the time of the jewish passover feast shortly following the resurrection of jesus that each could hear the wonderful works of His or own languages preached by the apostles resulting the evangelization of people from all over the ancient world.

Which included parthians medes elamites residents of mesopotamia judea cappadocia pontus asia phrygia Pamphylia egypt and districts of libya around cyrene as well as visitors from rome cretins and arabs.

Undoubtedly implying universal scope of god's redemptive plan. Yes, as calvinists so often point out in revelation chapter 5 jesus christ by his sacrifice Has made men from every tribe tongue people a nation to be a king priest unto god.

God has elected his elect ever sir. You don't seem to even know the system that you're attempting to argue against. Way you present arguments that are not arguments against our system and you think that they are.

That once again demonstrates the problem. The apostle peter initially and wrongly thought christianity was for jews only a vision from heaven rebuked him. And told him not to consider any human being unholy or unclean.

Powerful words from heaven. Which we all need to hear and let resonate within us when we share the gospel. We can be confident that we are not looking for someone who is elect because anyone with a pulse can be saved.

Once again, sir, you show a fundamental ignorance of the system that you are criticizing. One that everybody who's ever listened to this program before immediately I recognize because what is the one thing we say over and over and over.

Again, we do not know who the elect are. It is our calling to proclaim the gospel to every creature. It's god's work to save his people. You just simply will only believe part of what the bible says you reject the rest of it.

We just believe all of it. There is a difference between us. There's difference between us. For the jesus said thus it is not the will of your father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.