Debate 2024-04-11, AFTER SHOW, Is Jesus divine according to the Bible

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But whoa, I Mean whoa, I was not expecting

such Convoluted logic

it was to me it was it was pretty bad.

It's just a demonstration to me of what Islam does to you it's really bad.

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Wow.

Hope you guys enjoyed it for all those of you who were watching who watched it.

And oh my goodness.

I Could not believe it.

It was it was really bad.

Seriously, it was bad.

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All right.

If I'd have known that's how bad he was in his debate.

I just thought about just just going away.

It was it was yeah, it was a train wreck.

It really it was a train wreck.

He did not know what he was doing.

Sorry, but it was okay.

Hey, come on to attenders.

Come on somebody.

Come on folks.

Come on in just come on in.

I want to hear it.

I don't want to be talking to my whole myself the whole time I want to hear what you got to say.

All right, I.

Thought it was just a huge train wreck.

I didn't think he ever made any point except to talk about epilepsy and down syndrome.

And I Think that you were entirely too nice.

You think so?

Okay.

Well.

Okay, there you go.

Truth defenders on the in the gym on a treadmill, so I don't care.

Hey, come on in.

Bill, what'd you think buddy put the camera we can see you

okay.

I Can't hear you bill.

No, it was it was there we go.

It was you don't want to see me.

Trust me.

Yeah, it was pretty bad.

It'd be worse.

Yeah, I mean baby.

Did you see me but it was terrible.

It was.

I mean, yeah, he tried to baby but it's like no I'm not gonna go there.

No, that's something that debates about stick to this debate topic.

That's what it and he admitted the Bible teaches it.

Admitted it and then we're all gods to what it doesn't teach that and It's like

Worst argumentation, I think I've ever heard.

Oh.

Man, I don't guess he saw it as taking the Lord's name in vain.

But I did not appreciate him taking the Lord's name in vain.

No, I didn't hear that.

Did you?

Okay.

You did he said the OMG.

Oh, I didn't hear it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I even provided the notes the slides before our debate

started.

We started late.

We had some tech issues.

We'll work on those.

What next time we'll do better.

And.

We started about 15 minutes late and at the top of the hour 15 minutes earlier I said here's the this way you can find the

information.

The fact I'm gonna go check it.

Make sure it is on there because it was.

I scheduled it for release and Let's see.

No, it didn't come up.

Oh, there it is.

Yeah, so I'll modify that as well, but

it was bad.

He also said while we were trying to get set up that this was gonna sure be an easy debate.

Okay.

Before was this the first time.

Ever.

What before you ever heard of them before?

You know, I've heard of people I forget people that are oh, that's right after a few days.

Remember that guy when I think I didn't.

You know, it goes on like that.

So I Think I did.

I think I have heard of them before.

Yeah.

Before you do a debate you give them 20 questions to answer before you debate them.

Yeah, I have that and I we kind of let it slide but I think we're gonna

Start implementing it if people just want a piece of me and you know, and bubba.

Yeah, I read the Bible and show up debate you you know, it's like that.

Like what?

So a.

Little disaster.

It was a disaster.

It was a disaster.

It was it seemed that the Christians he's been listening to were Joyce Meyer and

Ken Copeland the ones that call themselves little gods, you know.

Because he kept making that saying that that we're all gods.

Man, they're gonna answer for their their heresy.

That Muslims would use that.

Because of what their heresies they were little gods.

But yeah, it's bad.

It is bad and it was bad.

All right, so anybody else coming in?

Nobody else is coming in.

Y 'all chicken.

No chicken.

They're coming in.

Come on.

The comments in there.

What do you think?

Give me some feedback and.

That'll be that.

Okay, I'm waiting for you.

Listen to blasphemers.

Yeah, the thing that he talked like that, you know.

That they're false teachers.

Oh your private interpretation or false teacher.

There's no reasoning with him.

That's that's a problem.

And yet he says no private interpretations yet.

He did did it all the time.

Yeah.

Main point is who does Christ claim himself to be in Scripture?

That is important thing.

If one does not believe this claims got it.

That's right.

What channel will your debate be on.

What debate.

Oh who truth defenders debate?

Okay.

So, okay.

There you go.

That's it.

Actually, man, I don't know that you could see the chat but a lot of Regular corn

people said they just couldn't take it anymore.

Good night.

Yeah, I can see why that's what I believe.

It was just so bad 40 minutes a week of my time.

Well when he said, you know, which is end of the day right here.

I'm both.

Yeah, it's fun.

It's because You're so bad.

It isn't ridiculous and.

Wow, yep.

Yeah, okay.

All right.

Well, that's it then.

No big deal.

Well.

We're just sitting here doing nothing.

So no one's saying anything.

No one's really coming in.

We get us in this.

It's just not really going anywhere.

That's okay.

But I was hoping more people would come in.

But I think a lot of people just got fed up and just wouldn't watch it.

And that was it.

They were done.

You have 23 people watching on Facebook and something and I don't know how many we have in

Rumble if anybody's watching it in rumble right now.

Let's see if anybody is.

Nobody's really watching it rumble either.

That's all right.

I Think it's because everybody couldn't take it any longer and left.

Could be I think he was one of the worst debates I've ever had as far as being able to hold a cogent argument.

He was condescending he was mocking he was insulting it was really bad.

Absolutely, he was he was insulting he was disrespectful.

Mm -hmm.

He was he named called I Don't have any and

and you know at the beginning of the show.

I called him.

Mr. Aha mud and Trying to be respectful, but he didn't respect you.

So.

There.

Yeah, he was he was bad.

It was bad.

Okay, that's right.

Karma says that.

Carmen from what's your karma?

What's your phone?

It gets your first name car.

I'm so bad with names.

What's your first?

How you spell your first name?

Did I know karma is in it.

Karma, you know does moderating for other people ministries.

Carmen that's right.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay, okay.

Hold on a second.

I'm gonna do something here see if

Andrew Rappaport was telling me on Thursdays.

They have a thing that they do they go into apologetics.

They have guests and stuff like that.

He's just ending it.

I go.

I just gave the URL to come in here.

Let's see if he comes in here in the next few minutes if he does great.

If not, then no big deal we can explain to him out.

It really was.

Oh, man.

It was bad.

Man.

Well.

So.

So bill well, come on guys.

Keep just sitting here just talking constantly.

It could have been a substantive debate.

I agree with you that's a good comment.

Bravo.

Bravo chick.

I like that and Let's see.

I'm gonna read some of your comments.

Let's see.

It was train wreck says Joanne.

Truth defenders at the gym.

It's probably not a prostate gym because he should be listening to debate.

You think match was checked out?

I was like what?

Are you kidding me?

He doesn't interpret yet.

He directly interpreted a demon -possessed boy is having epilepsy.

Yeah.

Yep, Andrew was laughing about you texting him throughout the day.

This guy's horrible.

Let's see.

Truth defenders are debating him on Sunday.

Muhammad epilepsy demonic possession is probably why he had epilepsy of the brain uh.

Well truth defenders, you're gonna now that you know what his argument is now, you know.

I mean if I had a right on his argument and then just go through and see this is why it doesn't work.

Oh Man, I'm like what?

So Jesus is not God according to the scriptures because a demon -possessed person might

have Remix epilepsy which causes confusion so you can't trust the Bible says.

It was so convoluted.

Wow.

You're gonna force yourself to till.

Well, let's say you might not want to because you're not a drinking woman.

It might it might go bad for you might start.

It was bad.

Oh.

You'll be moderating the debate on Sunday.

Oh, you know I could use Similar debate moderation.

I think Dave did fine.

It's first time ever and he had to learn the tech, but if you guys know some stuff I'm gonna start doing more

debates like this on our own.

Okay, so you listen to blasphemers, yes, he was the main point is who does John correct Christ claim death right

claim.

What channel will your debate be on truth defenders?

He's good.

He knows what he's doing.

Melissa owns on.

Oh, yeah empty.

Um, yeah, he's good.

I've been talking to him for a while.

Don't fall for common -senses remarks, you know, he's attacked you

repeatedly in Clubhouse.

Common sense.

Yes.

I'm always attacked.

The word Nadir means the lowest point of anything in fact.

Well.

No slackers.

So see thank you for giving.

Thank you for giving you thank you for giving you time to attempt to have an important debate.

But your guest didn't have anything of interest.

That's true.

I'm not drinking gal, but it might need a see I.

See, that's what I said.

I was scrolling through this stuff.

All right, Jesus was a man that God did his miracles through.

X 222 no, but you forgot common -sense Christianity.

You forgot if he's common -sense.

Jesus claimed the attributes of divinity said I will be with you always.

Matthew 28 20 he said he the father will come and live in you.

John 1423 he says ask me a thing in my name and I will do it.

John 1414.

So he actually claimed in his personhood to have those attributes of divinity by the properties of the divine.

So common -sense if you're still around comment on that.

Dave was great.

Dave did fine.

Matt has no good arguments.

Okay.

And so, let's see.

Hi Carmen.

Anthony Roger Anthony Rogers.

Anthony Rogers.

Seriously if it ever comes up to debate Nadir Ahmed.

Seriously, you know, I'm not joking Anthony.

I mean one of the worst debaters I've ever I've ever encountered and that's no joke.

That's not a joke.

He he.

He actually conceded the debate right away and then we don't to proceed to

put incredible Bad logic together as an argument.

It was just incredible.

I go take our cat.

I would love a cat out.

They'd be sitting a cat.

I can still hear you walking downstairs here doing all this.

Think that's quite enough of your opinions about the Not about Non

-trinitarian stuff.

This is supposed to be an after -show.

The guy that Matt just now this isn't a deep so that's really plenty.

Besides common -sense.

You're not being logical.

You don't understand the issues and you can't answer the difficult questions.

So you have no common sense.

Which shows that you have common sense because they use the title common sense.

We don't have any common sense because you don't have common sense.

All right.

He said the bad.

Okay, so there you go, oh I was gonna put this in.

So if anybody wants to come in Anthony if you want to come in or whatever, but yeah, he okay, you know him.

He's one of the worst.

Yeah, I had no idea.

I had no idea how bad he was he was one of the worst debaters that I've encountered

and The past two or three debates the open these guys they were right up

there too, I mean Incredibly bad incredibly bad argumentation was really bad.

So let's get rid of comments.

He's not he's not doing anything worthwhile just to you know, get rid of them so

he's just Big a troll.

All right.

Well, that's it.

Okay, I'll bet him then.

Okay, but all right.

Unless you had her didn't doing something.

She told me but anyway, well, that's it, huh?

I Guess that's it and he's not coming in.

I guess I gave him the link, but you know, he said he was wrapping up.

So maybe he's wrapping up to take a little bit longer.

What I'm thinking about doing is going into discord after I'm done with this.

I got an hour to kill Discord and do some Q &A which often happens.

What room are you going into in discord?

I don't know.

Let's go into different rooms.

To see what's happening Let's see Today at 812 just a little bit ago.

Come on in if you want.

We can try and get it started.

Christian apologetics a new server.

Okay, a new server called Christian apologetics.

Okay.

Well, let's see where it is.

I guess the Need.

Okay, there's Aaron.

Right, oh my goodness.

Look at that beard.

What happened to you.

Well too too many vitamins I.

Saw my daughter the other day and I was gonna tell her this beard is as old as her marriage because.

So she got married last year and I shaved for the wedding per her wish

and I haven't shaved since then so.

So, I guess that's what is that less than a year.

So this is less than a year's worth.

Well, I was pretty good.

At least you can grow in.

My wife won't let me grow one.

It's It's a love -hate thing.

I I don't like the process of shaving But at the same time, I don't necessarily like the

beard either.

Yeah, I Mean I I used to drive it has its benefits.

Actually, let me say that so one year In fact truth defenders here can testify to this.

I was with him at an Arab festival.

I think it was in Arizona and The irony of the situation is we went to an Arab

festival and that means Supposed to mean there's going to be a lot of Muslims there.

We got there and there were these booths set up And at one of the booths were a couple of

Arab Jehovah's Witnesses peddling So I'm thinking gosh we're at an event

where a lot of people are already deceived by Islam and here are these people inviting them to be deceived

by something else so Wow I was talking with them along with truth defenders and

One of the guys got upset So he got up and he went to tell a security guard

Something bad about us we didn't do anything wrong.

So I wasn't concerned and the security guard came over and I've never

actually played into some of this when people that don't have just grounds for

Complaining or removing me from a situation.

I just sort of ignore it until it can't be ignored so the guy comes over and I'm still witnessing to the man who's

sitting down and The security guard comes over and he reaches out his hand as I'm saying

without looking at him I said whatever that guy told you it's a lie.

We're just telling these guys the truth and the guy reached out his hand and he he shook my hand and he says I

know Brother, I know keep up the good work and he walked away and suddenly I realized the guy was a

Muslim and He thought I was a Muslim so the beard

beard factored in he thought I was a Muslim and Walked away So

it was great.

Wow serves a purpose.

Good.

My wife said if I grew a beard no smooching.

Yeah, that's.

You can't have that adverse effect.

That's right, that's all right, it's okay.

It was a debacle.

It really was the guy.

Seriously, I'm not trying to I'm not trying to speak ill about him behind his back.

But in all honesty His logic was incredibly bad ignored what the scripture says.

He actually got it's so bad of an argument like did he really say that that the reason Jesus

is not God is because God's not the author of confusion and in the Bible.

It says that demons act like epileptics.

So therefore you can't know if an epileptic is even possessed or not.

That's why Jesus is not God.

Right now so, of course and first of all Jesus was not confused on whether this

was demonic possession or not being the Son of God.

He certainly knew.

Yeah, secondly, we're not confused because Jesus and his word tells us this man was

demon -possessed.

Third, I you know, you've heard this sort of thing But not this terrible form of it.

But you've heard the claim certain doctrines believed by Christians aren't true because they're confusing.

Therefore they're not true because God's not the author you've heard that a million times right not the bizarre

Nadir form of that but just the just the claim that because something is difficult for us.

It's it's not true.

But of course when Paul makes that comment, which is strange by the way for an

for a Muslim to be Appealing to a line from Paul Paul's the big bad guy according to

Muslims, you know.

He's he's appealing to Paul here when he says God's not the author of confusion.

And he's certainly not being consistent with Muhammad because Muhammad's God is the author of confusion.

He loves confusion, right?

But When Paul says that he's talking about How the church

worships he's addressing the problems in the Corinthian Church when Certain

people with certain giftings are exercising these gifts in a disorderly way, right?

People are speaking out of turn one person is giving a revelation in a tongue and no interpreters

present and there's just all this problem afoot and Paul saying the

Lord Doesn't give these gifts for that purpose.

You guys are misusing them, right?

And this isn't something that he endorses or is pleased with but that's not saying that

every doctrine of Scripture is as Easy as

Counting one plus one.

I mean if that were true, then Islam is false because I can assure you There are doctrines within Islam that

aren't going to be quickly picked up by a child right, oh

Yeah.

Yeah, he he was horrible.

Oh boy.

Well, yeah, he's well -known I don't want you Being what?

Terrible.

Oh, yeah, I had no idea.

Yeah, and so we have a thing on karm where if you want to debate me you got to answer these sets of

questions.

I think I'm going to re -implement that because It's just weed out some of these guys.

It's just ridiculous.

He was Pathetically bad.

Yeah Yeah, I used to think I.

You know, these are Not just academic exercises.

I still think this these are witnessing opportunities.

But for that reason I used to think anybody who comes along wants to debate.

I'll debate but eventually I realized you know, there's several billion

people in the world that Want to debate and I can't possibly do that.

So there's got to be some selectivity and what's going to be profitable.

One of the hard things some people might not think about this, but it can sometimes be harder to debate

somebody that is Extremely irrational, you know, you know, it's like

when you think about if you make an analogy to fighting It's sometimes harder

for a trained fighter to fight some wild flailing person coming out of their

back alley than it is another trained fighter because That the untrained person is throwing

wild punches that don't make any sense.

You know the trained fighter.

There's a rhyme and reason to it and so somebody like Nadir you don't

sometimes The ridiculous nature of it makes it

Difficult to respond to because you still you have to get over the weird claim before you

can even think about responding to it.

Yeah, it's just you know, it's not very often you hear an argument and you say He

can't even see how bad that is and he thinks it's good it's not because we

don't understand it is because it's just is that bad and then you try to explain it to him

and it's a convincible ignorance and This guy literally Insulted

me mocked he said I'm not whining complaining.

I'm just saying It's like what he said wacky clacky interpretations

below the interpretation still interpretations.

Matt's being disingenuous.

He's being dishonest and I'm sitting going.

Wow it was just amazing, you know and He even admits the debate was

is Jesus divine according to the Bible.

I gave him scriptures.

He said well, yes, it was it says that he's divine right there.

But it all says everybody's God, so if everybody's God then you don't know if he's God not what.

So you admit the Bible says it and then he went to get this.

He was a John 1034.

I said you're God's.

Well, that means for all gods.

You can't trust what no.

No, let's go to Psalm 82 read what this is explain everything is what the church has taught.

That's what the Jews have taught about this.

That's what it is.

Dismissed all of it said that's just your private interpretation.

Your personal like what?

Isn't it?

I said, maybe you're not listening.

Are you in this debate?

You know, it was like that and at one point he said maybe we should just quit and just go.

I'm going yeah.

That's what I did.

It was just more a name person from him.

It was just ridiculous.

Hmm.

Yeah.

He's famous for declaring victory early on.

You know, I've won this debate.

It's over that sort of thing.

Yeah.

No matter how bad he's performing he'll he'll repeat that yeah.

Yeah, the John 10 thing.

I think I've heard him mention that before and I mean, there's two things

I'm sure you if you addressed it if it was relevant then, you know, you you had

the goods on him, but.

You know, obviously this is a powerful text for the deity of Christ.

Yes, it is the the pungency of it is all the more clear the more time you have obviously in a

debate you have to Be able to make points quickly.

But the thing I usually point out to people is what number one this this dislodges his

private interpretation thing.

John's gospel has a prologue That tells you how you're supposed to interpret the narrative.

So if you're coming out of a text thinking something different than what the prologue

already said.

Then you're the one that's giving a private interpretation.

I'm already tells you how to read his book in the prologue.

He tells you Jesus is the eternal word.

He became flesh he's the complete revelation of God and the

way of eternal life and so.

When you look at so here's the thing.

I love this actually John 10.

And I know I'm not teaching you this but for the benefit of the hearers here, but the in John 10

Jesus said to the religious leaders because they're objecting to his claim to be deity.

He responds to them.

It says in your own law.

I said you are gods and.

But but he says the precise thing that he says is that he

called them gods to whom the Word of God came.

So in Psalm 82, you've got these earthly judges.

They're being condemned there for not judging justly.

You've got these judges that are being called gods by virtue of

Their status as judges.

They're ruling in God's stead with his delegated authority.

They're exercising his authority to the extent that it's been delegated to them According to the word that has been

given to them, right?

So Jesus says they were called gods to whom the Word of God came, but then he says this.

If if they're called gods to whom the Word of God came.

Do you say of him whom the Father set apart and sent into the world?

He is blaspheming when he says he's the Son of God.

I mean, this is a classic argument from the lesser to the greater if they could be called gods.

Because the Word of God came to them and they ruled on that basis.

How much more can the one who was set apart by the Father and sent into the world?

And if you're if you read John's Gospel from the prologue.

The idea is they were called gods because the Word of God came to them.

But he's not a man to whom the Word of God came.

He's the Word of God who came to men and so of course he can be called gods or God if they

can right, I mean, he's the.

It's just like we are sons in the Sun.

Well, there are gods by virtue of Being in him or to the extent that you know, there's another thing

real quickly that Stands out about it in Psalm 82.

It it's talking about God standing in the midst of the gods.

He's surrounded by them.

These wicked gods these wicked judges that he's gonna punish.

The setup in John 10 starts in verse 22 where it talks about the religious leaders surrounding

Jesus.

So here's Jesus surrounded by all these religious leaders and he condemns them as false judges.

While propping himself up as the true God.

I mean, it's the setting of Psalm 82.

It's beautiful.

Yep.

I explained a lot of that to him.

I focused on the issue of this is the context of the unrighteous judges.

We read through it.

I said notice the condemnation that follows us in imprecatory Psalm.

I said he's applying this to the Jews right here.

So this is a condemnation on them.

That's what's going on.

Okay, and I said and by the way They denied that he was God in flesh just like you do you agree

with them?

And I just do that in just because whatever but yeah, and then he just dismisses it.

Oh and he said Melchizedek Melchizedek, he's he's without, you know

genealogy and all this he's divine.

See, we're all it's either many gods as it was two schools of thought, you know when that's just a

High mighty title and what is it's a Christophany.

Okay, and so he said well see there's a confusion when I Said let's just assume it is a

Christophany not that I believe it is or whatever.

Let's assume.

There's nothing wrong with that because here's the verses where it happens in the Old Testament.

It'd be consistent with it and he still be part of the Trinity because he says that means Melchizedek has you part of the Trinity?

So yeah, now you have four like dude, you have no clue no clue about our theology.

He doesn't know what he's doing.

Yeah, it was bad.

Hmm, I could do a tag -team debate with you sometime.

That'd be fun.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I Like I said, I've been a little more selective.

What one thing is, you know on the one hand I do like debates on the other hand.

I hate debates.

Sometimes I get to the point of the debate and I think what am I doing here because.

One is I.

I don't like hearing the heresy.

It's nauseating to me and and some of its worse than other, you know some of it it's.

No blasphemy or heresy is good.

But some of it you're kind of used to right?

We're used to hearing the things Mormons say and Jehovah's Witnesses say but As

you've discovered over the years all the work you've done, you know, there's no end to the weirdness

that people come up with and Every time I hear something new I think I could have

lived without ever knowing that right never hearing that never thinking that.

And so, you know some of this stuff like you mentioned open theism I didn't watch that

debate precisely because and I heard it was a debacle.

I didn't watch it because I knew I just I don't even if they were the best behaved

types of people.

The stuff they say.

The guy you debated maybe you don't want to comment on it as somebody that debated him or whatever, but I'll say it I mean

I've heard that guy say in prior debates that God was wrong for punishing David the way that he did and

I'm thinking who are you?

Oh man to talk back to God like that God was wrong to take the

life of David's son.

Actually four sons.

Let's get it straight, right?

So if you didn't like the one that he took out he took out four.

How's that?

And if you have a problem with that, you probably have a problem with the flood with God killing a native in a by who

or Aaron's sons and on and on we could go and you know, I hear that sort of thing and I think you

know, it's I.

It's one thing to have an errant theology, but now you're just saying things that.

To me are the you're talking to me.

You're talking about the God.

That I love right the God to whom I belong and you know It may mean nothing to you to say that

sort of thing I mean, I don't mind if somebody says that sort of stuff about me.

Usually when people I'm with you, I'll defend I'll defend God I'll let him say it and then I'm on him like a monkey in a

cupcake.

You rip it up.

Yeah.

So I I just don't like some of that and then I get into some of these debates and I think now I'm about to Listen, I got to see

when I when I start a debate, but I'm listening to I have the option of turning it off.

But once I'm in the debate, I know I got to actually listen to this guy now.

Yeah.

And.

Well, it was seriously at one point.

I was I'm ready.

I'm done.

He just it was just that bad.

It was just he didn't know what he's doing.

I Pointed out several problems.

He had Ignored them dismissed them was insulting was condemned mocking.

It was it was just like come on guy.

You know, I thought he was be better than that, but I was wrong.

So hey.

Mormons were Christians.

Oh Yeah, yeah.

And I you know, I said I know Mormonism very well.

And I said I've been studying it for a long time and it's not Christian.

It teaches this and that is it.

And Joseph Smith said, you know God's at any rate.

It's just.

Anyway, yep.

Hmm well, look I'm being paged for a server to go to

on Discord a new server called Christian apologetics.

Hmm.

You're going discord, uh, I.

I had gone on a few times before they made this change and I

Haven't tried to since then.

I don't know if I have to do an update or what but I just haven't.

Well.

I would recommend you get on there sometime and try and be regular.

Use your real name if you can.

I use mine because.

After a while you get a reputation and if you're an apologist of any.

You can answer questions.

What happens is you go into a room people follow you into the room and you're arguing with one person politely.

But 80 people are listening and it's a good way to to witness to others.

Hmm.

So yeah, it is.

Yeah, somebody sent me a message I still have to get back to him inviting me onto one of their channels on there or something like

that.

Yeah, just like I said Yeah, it's hard at work sometimes but

But anyway, that's what it is and I'm gonna go in there and Just do a little Q &A.

It's what happens.

It's a good place to practice and and Stuff, but yeah, if you ever want to do a

tag team debate Let me know I did one with Andrew Rappaport, you know Andrew, right?

Yeah, we is.

What topic did you guys do?

I think it was the open theist debate.

Was it 10 or something?

I can't remember.

I just you know, but.

We did that together and it was.

You know, it's fine, you know, there's no big deal.

But boy tonight was a debacle.

Haven't heard so much a name persiflage in a long time.

So Nadir he has a history of crazy antics one one that

was a I mean I so Nadir has been around a long time and this is saying

something because Muslim apologists I've been engaging Muslims for 30

years and Many of the ones that are debating now having been around for a while.

Yeah, Shabir Ali is a mainstay.

He's most of them are gone.

Yeah, like 30 years ago.

There were others and none of them around anymore so they don't have good longevity and I think it's

because Once when they introduce certain crazy arguments they might

prevail.

Temporarily, but then people develop responses to them and then these people it's like their whole

Apologetic case has crumbled and they don't know what to do.

They need a new soccer night to come along and develop a new way of arguing it.

So a lot of them fall off the map.

But Nadir is one of these guys that just doesn't know how bad he is and he keeps going.

Yeah, well At one point so he disappeared for a little while.

But then he came back and he I could I saw right through it.

I know Nadir.

He so what he started doing was he started sending out letters to different groups as

if as if these were letters being sent from a bigger organization and

Trying to get them to talk to one of their guys, right so he'd said it's just him he'd send

out these letters and say hey, we saw you on this show and We have a

scholar in our group that would love to interact with you and maybe

ask you some questions he and he would pitch it like it's just a friendly discussion and Wants to ask

questions.

So he actually sent it's hilarious.

You have to watch this if you haven't seen it, but he He sent a message to Michael Brown

once.

And and again, it's he's pretending like it's a group Speaking on his

behalf and he wants to ask.

Michael Brown is a respected Jewish Christian.

What he thinks about some of these things, right?

So So he wants to talk to him and ask him some questions about Deuteronomy

18 so he gets on there and I knew there was no organization, but

The whole point is when he gets on there it becomes evident that there was no group that was

doing this.

It was just Nadir and he wasn't really interested in asking questions.

He wanted to try and debate and he got absolutely schooled because.

Some of the stuff that he was probably used to getting away with when it came to points of the language, you know

grammar and things like that.

He was just outgunned there because the typical Muslim spiel is to say well the term

brother can mean not necessarily an Israelite but an ishmaelite your brothers to the

Israelites and There's more going on in the passage and it's just ruled out.

So anyways, it was hilarious because he it was just deception all the way through and it was

exposed.

So I thought that was hilarious.

Well, hey, you know God Allah is a deceiver to begin with so hey, why not?

Yeah, I just follow you know.

What it took?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yep.

I actually use our Muslims.

Hey, are you practicing taqiyah right now?

And they said no, I'm not.

How do I know?

How do I know, you know because you can be lying about lying and I had a fun with him.

Just to do that anyway.

All right.

Well, look I'm gonna get going a better server over there.

One two, three, it's a brand new server.

There's only five six people in there.

All right.

I just scored.

I put the here one more time to link.

I don't know what oh, it's in the.

Pinned right there discord.

Thanks for joining us Anthony.

Yeah, you're awesome Anthony.

I always have good things to say man.

I'm always learning from you.

So good stuff.

Well, thank you for all your years of service.

Hey, it's service.

Don't know if it's good service, but it's service.

Just trying that's all.

All right, brother.

Hey everybody.

God bless.

Thanks for it.

And We'll talk to you guys later.

See ya.

See ya.