Interview with Dr Dan Biddle about the "Ark and the Darkness" Movie

Hey, what's up, everybody?

Welcome back to C4C apologetics.

So a lot of you have been checking out the review that I did on the Ark in the Darkness film a

while back.

And so I'm excited to go ahead and announce that we got about three interviews from people that

Had a lot of work a big role to go go ahead and do within this film.

And so today we're interviewing.

Dr Dan Biddle is the executive producer of the Ark in the Darkness as well as the president of

Genesis Apologetics and so we got some questions as far as what we're going to ask him and

from what I from what I understand Dr. Biddle whenever I'm interviewing people.

They're always like You give me some interesting questions.

I've been interviewed a lot before but there's some new ones out here.

Did any of my questions surprise you at all?

I'm just curious right off the bat.

No, and I'm also interested in the in the questions that we can that we can go off of

the script, too.

So those are sometimes the the most fun ones, but I don't think anything was was surprising.

There's a Yeah, this this movie really is stirring the pot within hearts

minds and spirits of people who watched it.

I know people have watched it multiple times.

I know people who have given us testimonies that they've actually become angry because this

movie has caused them to rethink the world the way that they were raised and the worldview that they

have bought into for years and.

They're disturbed at that having to rewrite their history rewrite their worldview and their perspective of the world.

I also had to go through that when I converted to creationist maybe 13 years ago or

so I had to go through that process and for me it was it didn't make me mad.

But it did make me feel like I had been duped.

So Yeah, there's a lot of people that have a lot of different variety of responses to watching

the movie.

So yeah, I could definitely see that I for sure.

Makes me think in one of the earlier books that I've written.

I used the illustration of the land before time.

That people grow up, you know I grew up watching the land before time cartoons and you watch these movies and

it's like 70 million years ago.

Whatever the case is you go through public education and the teacher and all the faculty and the staff.

They're like evolution evolution Lucy Lucy and all these other aspects.

And then you you come across when you're a grown -up you come across someone like you or me.

Who's a young earth creationist and now it's like, okay land before time.

I grew up watching.

I've had 12 years plus of public education that says it's 70 million years ago.

But all of a sudden I got this adult that sounds like they're a pretty smart person, but he's saying gets it's not 70 million years.

It's actually 6 ,000 years or so and so I can definitely understand just the aspect of trying

to challenge your own worldview and to be able to swallow that pride pill.

And be like, you know what maybe there is something else to look at and so I've been there before in fact.

When I converted to creationists, I was a very enthusiastic about sharing this and I took several

of my friends out to lunch and They would honestly look at me and say Dan you're a

smart guy you have a PhD in the behavioral sciences.

I've always regarded you as an intellect, but I can't believe you actually believe the earth is 6 ,000

years old and that's happened.

Repeatedly in my lifetime and please understand.

This is not a boast at all.

But what I say to those people as I said, like I can't give it to you in a five -minute elevator pitch.

I can't explain it to you in 30 seconds but I'm batting a hundred percent of those friends that

I'm able to take to lunch and spend about an hour with if I can have an hour with

someone I have yet to fail.

To convince them on young earth creationism and it and I take zero credit for that.

Yeah, all I'm able to do with them is share look I did pressure test as I

spent 90 days of my life and thousands of dollars worth of books.

And a trip to Canada and a trip to Montana and several other trips.

And if I can just download for them over time and show them the logical steps in the path that it

took me to.

It has always worked, but I can't do it in 30 seconds.

In fact, it's almost like you do a lot of damage in 30 seconds your elevator pitch.

Oh, yeah.

You know I've created everything in six days and God gave dominion over man then they named everything and dinosaurs were included and then the

fall came.

And then they turned into carnivores.

They're looking at you like what on earth are you talking about because you're you're going against what's called a neural

network a fabric in their minds of.

Years of conditioning and hundreds of hours of conditioning and you can't unwind those things

quickly.

In five minutes same thing.

I just can't do it.

But if I can have a lunch with someone I've I've seen in it's.

I'm not gonna say I've convinced them I'm gonna say the evidence flipped them just like it did

me and so and when that happens.

You can see you go through a realignment Process and your mind and your heart can become a line and you're no

longer resisting and fighting what scripture obviously says.

I mean the atheists they know what scripture says and that's why they're not oftentimes at odds.

So much with older creationists as they are with younger creations.

There's a reason why.

There are people on YouTube who have dedicated their lives towards debunking our

videos.

I've never heard go look after yourself or be on YouTube.

I'll have one video that has got 50 ,000 views on topic a.

There's guys on there rebutting topic a that have 200 ,000 views.

They spend hours obsessing over this.

Well, they're not doing that to Progressive or day age or gap theory people we are

under attack because we're standing on the truth.

And it's a hotbed and that's that's a reason why the enemy has enlisted his forces the rulers.

Principalities and authorities are beckoned against us to defeat this because the enemy knows when

people drink this truth in.

It's gonna cause life transformation.

Amen.

Amen, I appreciate that.

Well Before we go any farther for anybody that may not know who you are

Let's go ahead and talk, you know, explain a little bit about yourself.

Anything about Genesis apologetics where you're the president of.

Share a little thoughts on on that.

And then how did you actually get into apologetics?

Yeah, so, um, gosh, I I love that topic because I did go through.

I'm very enthusiastic about my my conversion testimony.

But I was saved when I was 11.

I went through a rebellious time as a teenager came back to Christ when I was 17.

I backslid pretty hard until that time.

I locked in with Christ ever since I was 17 got married.

Blessed amazing wife for kids business the whole thing and I studied to

become a behavioral scientist.

I have a PhD in industrial organizational psychology for about 20 years.

I was a testifying expert in state and federal court cases dealing with statistics research and evidence.

And so I was on plaintiff side and the defense side and worked on over a hundred cases and lived in that world for

about 20 years and then.

It was about maybe 13 years ago now or so and this is something that makes my

Fundamentalist leaning friends a little bit uncomfortable.

God put a call on my life and I am NOT a woo -woo charismatic.

I believe that the gifts are for today again.

That makes a lot of people mad.

But I went through a process of my life where God called me in an undeniable ways that I can

verify scientifically and spiritually.

God started putting markers into my life.

I got dreams.

I had people say things to me that they had no busy no business saying or knowing about me.

I got surrounded by By the Holy Spirit and by the Lord and by people

and that's the only way I can explain it.

And I say that as a very conservative grounded businessman as an evidence guy as a person.

Yeah with a PhD in behavioral sciences.

God called me supernaturally into this ministry.

And so I had two choices.

I could keep fighting it or I could succumb and you know.

It's like God saying hey come here.

You're gonna have to jump in the water get swallowed by a fish.

I'm like, I don't want to do that version that story.

I want to submit and so I submitted and then God began compounding and growing and multiplying our

ministry.

I don't believe that God calls people into addition and subtraction.

I got called into the multiplying business or business.

I so to speak I One of my commissionings by the Lord Was to do

a YouTube video about the flood.

It was a very Supernatural download thing that happened to me and I did it.

I was as obedient and then I went to go see dr John Baumgartner in San Diego when

I was preparing to do that video and I was about to leave and dr Baumgartner says hey, you know look

before you go.

He just relented.

He was a very interesting dynamic because he's also a scientific guy.

He's like I just need to tell you something that might make you feel uncomfortable.

Well, I have to tell you he says a couple years ago someone came to me and said John towards the

end of your life someone is going to come to you and take your work and make it famous and

Then he handed me a blue USB thumb drive with his life's work on it.

And I took that work and I spent a couple months on it and I put it on YouTube.

With a video with compelling evidence about Noah's Flood that's turned out to be the most Watched

video in history about Noah's Flood and again zero credit.

I got a commissioning from the Lord to do them the movie.

I could give a longer version of that but people would agree after the hearing it like yeah.

Sounds to me like God gave you an assignment took the assignment ran with it met with John.

John's like yeah.

Someone came to me and said a couple years ago.

So it's gonna come to me in the last days your last part of your life.

Take your word make it famous it did it and it's got 2 .8 million views now on YouTube.

And then we end up doing a movie about it.

So it's interesting that that God can give a calling to someone that can be verified with what we see in the world.

God called John Bob Gardner to his work.

He called me to my work.

We were we both submitted and surrendered and we took that work and then God did make it multiply

and make it famous.

And so that's kind of how the our ministry got started.

But that even more specifically when God was calling me into the ministry I went to my son's.

I would say the day I got the call was.

There was a whole bunch of events that led up to this but I went to my son's back -to -school line at public school and Sat

in the in the sixth grade world history class and the teacher said look if you're Christian or Jewish or Catholic.

Just know we've got to teach evolution.

It's about two weeks.

And and then we get out.

It's not a big deal.

And then I was looking at her bookshelf when she was saying that she had all kinds of books on on evolution that it was Reflecting that my

son when he was attending her class was just being indoctrinated.

He's like son.

He's like dad all the other Christians.

Heads down and they've got their pens and they're just writing all this stuff and they're believing all of it and and the Lord

opened my eyes.

Again, it's as a cognitive psychologist.

I understood all of the the propaganda that these kids were Reading about how

they would layer the books with with truth.

Why truth truth truth lie truth truth not that they were lying, but they're just their misunderstanding of evolution.

And so when that happened to me and God really opened my eyes to what was happening in the state of, California.

I got physically sick in class.

I I I'm like, I'm what I'm told my wife is I have to walk home.

I can't stand this anymore and I walked home and and the Lord began slowly

showing me.

Peeling the covers off of what's happening with people who are believing like the scripture says the

lie.

Yeah, the lie of evolution is the grandest biggest lie that's ever been done.

And so but rather than jumping in with my own strength and then combating it with what tools that I was

ready with.

The Lord again began coaching me on looks on.

This is not your battle.

Don't even pretend you can fight it in your own strength and then God began downloading

Instructions here, but the Bible says it is God who lives in you to will and to act according to its good purpose.

And Ephesians 2 says that we should do good works, which God has appointed in advance for us to do.

So God is involved in a very granular level at leading us and guiding us as spirit -filled

believers I want to do.

And I began getting those steps and following those steps, even if they didn't make sense.

I mean a lot of the stuff we do doesn't make sense.

Yeah, and then the Lord has blessed us and the Lord eventually led me to do this movie.

And interesting just a quick side note on the movie that the commissioning that I got to do

the flood movie.

Came at a time during with within a one -month period.

I got sick and laid out with the nasty version of kovat.

Mmm, I was felt like I was half dead.

Yeah, my brother passed away from liver disease same month.

My mom's cancer came back to stage four and her eyes began bulging out of her head with tumors.

Since in recovery.

Okay, and I became an empty nester with all but my third and fourth kid going off to

college.

I was a wreck the worst period I'd ever had in my life and it was during that down low period.

That again the Holy Spirit commissioned me.

I got the assignment to go do this movie and and I take too long to explain how it happened.

And God showed me he wanted me to do this and I joined with Ralph strand who was equally passionate about

doing this work.

And we met together.

I said, hey, let's do a film about the flood.

That's gonna go through the theaters.

Let's put it out on YouTube afterwards.

I'm like that great plan.

Let's do it two and a half years later.

We give birth to the movie.

Amen. Amen. Amen.

There's a lot to unpack there.

I appreciate all that in that heart for ministry.

And just like I was thinking the whole time when you're talking about getting your commission I was like, well, is he gonna turn out like a Jonah

case, you know.

Get swallowed by a fish.

Like I read that story God I don't want to do it but it's interesting when I used to wonder when people say Oh, I got a calling from God.

I'm like, oh that sounds spooky.

That's crazy.

You know God just leads practically and only through his word or you know I believe God speaks primarily through his word.

If you want to hear from God, you're not reading.

You're not reading this word.

But if God wants to call you to do something He will do it and he will do it with ways

that will make some Christians uncomfortable.

But he'll get your attention and that's what he did with me and thank God I leaned into that and I

obeyed.

But I got the commissioning of us.

It was very clear that he was calling me to do the movie.

It's amazing when things like that happen.

I know.

Being military just retired not that long ago.

We were stationed in South Dakota and it was our last assignment.

Me and my wife were.

We're always talking about what are we doing when we retire?

Do we want to get back into ministry?

Do we want to do this or that.

And we were we were offered a To consider a position here at a church by

the senior pastor and some me and my wife were like, okay.

So if we were to go to this church What would we'd like to try to adjust or do things a little differently

or whatever?

The case is what ministries would we want to try to invest in?

So me and my wife came up with these ideas.

As far as what we would do well we ended up coming out and visiting for a little while and

part of the visit at this church was to go ahead and and for me and the senior pastor and a bunch of the men there

just meet in a room and Just talk about different things and unbeknownst to me the senior pastor

opened up the floor to all the guys.

There is like so if you could change anything about open door, what would you want to change?

And I kid you not every single thing that they mentioned not one more not one less.

Everything was stuff me and my wife had already talked about.

Not one more not one less.

You absolutely can't can't make it up.

The Lord knows how to tune in a signal that's just tuned to your receiver.

Yeah, and that's the kind of God I want to follow is God who's the king

creator of the universe, but also can tune in and give Specific callings and and anointings

for what we do and praise God for that.

That's a great story.

My calling was very similar just that you look at a certain circumstance like I can't make this up and then what happened

again and Again, and again, I'm like, okay, I give.

Well, we're gonna be talking a lot about the movie but before that.

Can you shed a little light as far as Genesis apologetics?

How does this ministry help equip believers reach unbelievers.

A little bit about Genesis apologetics before we move on?

Yeah, sure.

So youth today are 6 .7 hours a day on their phone and in many ways.

That's how they shape their understanding about the world and the worldview.

You he who has the most compelling video wins.

They're they're they're truth assembly and if you look at what's happening in and public school and in education.

They have these amazing multi -million dollar videos that just make evolution seem so real.

How could you deny it.

And it's it's kid the message is carried through video.

And so we are a student focused ministry.

We do a lot with public school kids.

But we also serve the private school kid community and the homeschoolers as well.

But we want to bridge the gap and help Christians that are you know, our true

regenerate Christians part of the remnant.

To help them understand that Genesis is real history and we do that provide producing short

compelling videos.

We have three long form works out there as well.

And we're working on on more but I think most of our ministry is just coming out with short

Compelling impactful videos that distill Genesis truth and show it as real history

so we've got that but we've got books and training programs and things for K to 8th graders and 5th to

10th graders and College kids as well, but that's um, we're very much a video focused ministry.

So you got a.

Curriculum for homeschoolers things like that as well.

We do we have several different programs for we've got the student zone for K to 8.

We've got the debunking evolution for 5th to 10th graders.

We've got the the seven miss program for 11th grade and up and then we've got Genesis impact for family.

Which is a great program to watch before families go visit public's public museums.

So several different offerings, but it's all video based and it's interesting that also it's all free

we sell hard copies of our books, but you can download all the PDFs and all the videos for free and That's

really what we're we're doing but we've got our our Marketing director Elizabeth that's going to be hitting the

top 12 homeschool conventions in America over this year.

Yeah, bring it all those books and products around the nation.

So we do cater to the homeschool community as well.

But but my heart really breaks for Christians who are in public school in the state of California.

For example by the time they graduate high school.

They will have received 250 pages of evolution teaching spread out over 50 classroom hours.

And they're really not given a strong biblical case at all by their church family or school, of course

on biblical creation but the students who do take the time to learn it will be convinced by it because our

hearts and spirits resonate with what's true and most students go to public school just know in their

hearts that.

That doesn't really make sense and Lucy doesn't look like a predecessor to humans.

And I know in my heart that that evolution is not true so what they're doing not some not half

but most of Christians who are in public school are ending up as bad at best as

theistic evolutionists.

Believing that God used a long slow random murderous process to bring about humans on earth.

Which is completely flipped opposite of the truth where God created us as perfect.

Everything was perfect.

And then we brought the fall and death suffering of bloodshed or our fault.

It's not the circle of death that there's an enemy.

So but most most students just don't don't know that.

So we're we're on a mission to help strengthen the faith of all who will believe.

Amen, I mean there's so much I told you before I keep my I try to keep my confidence to a minimum.

You're given so much a Intrigue, you know, you mentioned Lucy once or twice and it's always

amazing to me.

Where with all these models of Lucy they give.

They give her Human eyes, you know with the sclera and if you get Lucy ape

eyes it's gonna look like an ape and I so it's just amazing with that.

And then.

Yeah, there's a lot to be said about Lucy.

Just got a Genesis apologetics comm Lucy and you can we've got all of our videos there.

We've got public school teachers that are using our Lucy videos just because on a scientific Grounds

alone Lucy has been weighed measured and rejected.

They can't even determine her gender anymore.

Her Thoracic vertebrae belong to a therapeutic.

It's not even to an australopithecus.

She's a mess, you know and a little three and a half foot tall monkey that weighed 40 pounds.

It has nothing to do with human evolution.

So yeah, but and there's several different reasons to believe that that she's even been rejected

by many mainstream secular evolution believing.

Scientists have rejected Lucy as a as a supposed transitional form.

So well, well, that's that's good to know.

I.

Curious.

What are your thoughts on the age of the earth in the universe?

I know last last I checked I think they tried to update the timelines but.

4 .6 billion and 13 billion years for the earth in universe.

What are your thought.

How old is the earth universe and and based on what evidences would you posit those ages?

Yes, so I have a guarantee in that that the guarantees are going to keep changing that

age.

The Bible is very clear that God created the heavens the earth the sea and all that is in them in six days

as the Jews Understand it so when God downloaded the Ten Commandments to Moses

Exodus 31 says it's the only one scrap of Scripture the only small passage that God chose to wrote with

his own hand and he conveyed To the Israelites in a way that they would believe that the six

days of creation were ordinary earth rotation days.

Because he said for in six days he created the heavens the earth the sea and all that is in them.

So everything was created in six earth rotation days.

And we know from Luke chapter 3 the Genesis genealogies that goes 77 patriarchs back.

From Jesus all the way back to a at Adam who was in Luke chapter 3.

It was he was the son of God.

So Adam was not a son of a son of a son of a son of right?

Yeah, Neanderthals homo sapiens Promagnaman Lucy any of that stuff.

He was a son of God whom he breathed into existence to bring stewardship to take stewardship over all

that he had just made six days prior to him and Adam was a capstone and then

he drew Adam or Eve from Adam and those two took Dominion and stewardship over everything.

And Adam named everything issuing Dominion over all of them so everything was

spun up into existence because you had to have all the planets and the Rotations and the gravity

there within the six days and God started time as we know it with the you know Marking out

everything and the the stars and the heavens for the signs seasons days and years.

So it all had to be present there.

God was very intentional and as far as when that happened There are two different

viewpoints that are within Orthodox Christianity.

Yeah, the Masoretic would lean about 6 ,000 years the Septuagint set of text might go back 7

,800 or so years.

I'm okay with either one of those because they they don't put death before sin.

However, we lean Masoretic we teach that as a it's a straight Bible.

There there are some things that are interesting about the Septuagint text that would have the flood around

32 BC and creation around 5 ,500 BC.

I think there's some great strong academic arguments for bringing us to that perspective.

But the Masoretic is just fine too.

We teach from that position.

It's very much a similar place that answers in Genesis lands where they teach from the Masoretic.

But you look at the answers research journal and they'll entertain all kinds of good scholarly viewpoints

that want to stretch it back to the Septuagint, so I've learned enough about that world to be

okay with either perspective, but we teach from the Masoretic.

Yeah, okay.

Okay, well, that's good to know.

You know while we're talking about You know the ages there's one verse or one passage in the book of Job that

I've always wrestled.

Well, not really wrestled with but trying to paint a picture as far as what creature this is.

Now understand.

I would believe that the behemoth that is spoken of in Job is some type of sauropod

dinosaur, brontosaurus, brachiosaurus, whatever the case is, but then you get in Job

chapter 40 and we get this picture of what's known as the Leviathan.

41 can now draw out the Leviathan with a hook or his tongue and this and that.

So so there's.

Description.

As far as this creature called a Leviathan believe in verse 19.

It says.

Out of his mouth goes burning lamps and sparks of fire leap out out of his nostrils goes smoke.

What what is the Leviathan from your understanding?

What is this a dinosaur?

Is this a sea creature?

Is this a flying creature?

It's a dragon.

What do you think?

This is sure in Job chapter 40 and 41.

We have the end of a narrative where God shows up to Job.

He shows up on the scene.

Job has been whining and complaining for 38 chapters for good reason to of course but he's been trying to

philosophize with his friends and everything and God shows up at a whirlwind and says Job

sit down and shut up and listen to me.

That's essentially what the Hebrew is saying grab yourself like a man and listen.

That's what he says gird yourself around like a man sit down I'm gonna show you some things and then God begins a narrative of

listing about a dozen different animals.

Normal animals that we would understand the way of the eagle and the deer and all these different animals.

It jobs listening and listening and listening.

But when we get to Job chapter 40, I'm 100 certain that the description in Job

chapter 40 is a narrative of Behemoth which is a sore pawed dinosaur.

It could have been Argentina's Horace Titanus Horace.

It was maybe not the Platycus because God says it's the biggest baddest thing he ever made.

He uses the Hebrew where he says that he behemoth is the chief of all of my ways.

The biggest grandest terrestrial creature I ever made in a ranked sorted list is

behemoth and if you look at the fossil record, it was absolutely a large massive sore

pawed and some of these creatures are 122 feet long and 77 tons and they're amazing and they're

massive and they represent the grandeur of God and Then God brags about that.

He's just consider this behemoth, which I made along with you like on the same sixth day of creation.

It's got a scale that says like sways like a cedar tree and then God describes 13

Unmistakable characteristics of a sore pawed dinosaur that don't fit a hippo.

They don't fit a crocodile.

It's a sore pawed and God expresses his magnificence through this creature.

Which he made as a chief of all of his works then we get to job chapter 41 and I'm

strongly confident, but not certain That it was a dinosaur kiss, which is a super croc

and we have a video on our website.

And on YouTube just called what it what was Leviathan and I think there's again There's a

strong list of over a dozen descriptions of This creature

Leviathan that lead us to believe it was a super croc primarily for the hornback description

That's given Alligators and crocodiles have got a horn back.

That's on them.

It's a it's a whole bunch of Osteoderms or scoots which are bony circular

plates that are on its back where no air can pass between and they are impervious by the Seven

different weapon systems that God names in Job chapter 41 and God says look your human

man -made Instruments of warfare are a joke to this creature.

And we prove that using slow -motion cameras and Warbows that we go against an

alligator hornback that we attack with all this different weapon systems say yep.

No, our air can pass between it and nothing can pass it not not a dart not an arrow not a javelin not a spear.

Nothing can penetrate this thing and the only thing that what we can't be for certain is the apparatus

used for breathing fire.

Because soft tissue Decays over time, but the dinosaurus fossils that have been uncovered

Lead us to believe that the animal probably weighed seven tons was was as long as 40 feet long

and eight dinosaurs because some of the Remnants that have been found in the stomach regions of these

fossils show the dinosaurus eight Crocodile or eight eight dinosaurs.

Oh wow yeah, that's what we think it was we make a pretty strong argument for that on our YouTube.

Video called Leviathan.

Wow.

I think we're gonna have a link in the descriptions here as far as this is concerned.

But you know that's I've never heard that before so I definitely want to look that up.

I know the information's out there.

It's just I haven't studied that aspect of it, so I appreciate all that.

Yes, Spinosuchus would be a close second, but I think Leviathan wins.

Yeah so Moving on.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Spinosaurus.

Spinosaurus would be a tough second.

A good argument for second.

But I think Dinosuchus is probably what the only thing I know about Spinosaurus correctly if I'm wrong was from

Jurassic world.

Is that correct?

That's correct, and sadly we actually don't have a lot of fossil records to go on for

Spinosuchus.

We had some but they were all lost during the war.

Yeah, but I and that's why I think that We know was a semi aquatic creature and Dinosuchus

Really would have fit it and the Bible also says it was playing this in the ship ways of ships.

Oh, yeah, so so it's and they've there have also uncovered some evidence that Dinosuchus would go out to sea.

So yeah.

Strong arguments for that creature, but it could have also been a Spinosaurus.

You make me want to ask you about a unicorn.

Yeah, if you just look at the ice age creatures that have been discovered with the longest form that ever

been found there are some single -horned rhinoceros creatures that have been found in ice

age layers that would make a strong argument for what a Unicorn could have been a single horn.

Creature, so yeah, I think I've looked it up as far as etymology of the word and and just how

words evolved meaning.

And I think one of them talked about like what is it like a Monoceros or some some aspect like

that.

I don't.

But you would know a lot more yeah, I forget the name of the of the creature.

It did go extinct during the ice age which is of course after the flood.

But it is a huge creature that they found that's got like a four foot tall Single horn that that

goes up and oh yeah, it looked like a wooly rhinoceros type of a creature.

But had a big huge single horn that went up.

Yeah.

Okay, well with the film the arc in the darkness I'm curious how long did it take from

start to finish.

You know production wise not like brainstorming.

But like from starting the production to when it was released.

How long did it take.

Because it was pretty amazing.

It was about two and a half years, and and I have to give credit to our producer director Ralph Strin

for that.

The guy just didn't stop he he literally lost two and a half years of his life.

And then this movie just poured it straight in 12 hours a day.

Just just buried himself into it, but some of the parts would would while he was working.

He's got these render farms set aside With his software programs that would do the rendering for the

animation parts of the movie.

And he had some some scenes in there.

And if you haven't seen the movie yet wait to about 35 minutes into the movie when the flood Commences that the flood

commencement scene when the water drops begin falling.

That two minute segment would take Probably weeks or months represented in his

render farm to do all that CGI.

And he's got several computers lined up with the the second to the the world's most fastest

AMD chip processors in these machines that will grind night and day they have to be

Refrigerated and he's got these render farms that will just cook these scenes.

To the point where you might take a day to render out ten seconds worth of what's ended up in the movie.

But yeah, but the whole process was about two and a half years and Ralph burden that on his shoulders.

It did a great job with it.

Wow.

Wow.

What was the motivation behind getting this film out now?

I've seen Genesis paradise lost few years back.

I love the flood this just reading about the flood the cultural legends that are Surrounded all

over the planet about some sort of flood, but what was your motivation to go ahead and do this

film?

Outside of the gospel.

It's the most life -changing message in all of Scripture in my humble opinion.

Really and I do I didn't mean that humbly.

That's my opinion because listen, it is the longest description the longest narrative of

anything in Scripture.

Even the resurrection even the crucifixion it beats all of those.

It's a longest account because we have the diary from Noah Who experienced it and we have the whole of

Scripture all of the credibility of Scripture.

Hinges on the flood being real.

You've got David talked about it.

Moses talked about it Jesus talked about it.

Peter talked about it.

All kinds of Scripture writers and authors talked about the flood as a true narrative.

So if the flood was mythical or just some little local thing that flooded the valley of

Mesopotamia if you mythologize the flood or it didn't happen or you put it as an allegory.

The credibility of Scripture is smoked.

It's gone.

And that's why I think it's it's the most compelling story one of the most valuable stories

in Scripture because if People understand it really happened that everything else can line up and you've got the

Bible now attached to history.

Because what's happening in our culture right now is people will say oh, I'm a New Testament Christian I believe in Jesus.

I need him.

He's gonna be my parachute to jump out of a plane and when I die, he's my Jesus parachute.

I got salvation.

Well, what where did I challenge people describe to me the gospel without quoting

Genesis?

They can't do it.

Not the true gospel because you know, Jesus died for my sin.

Where'd you get sin from?

You know the garden somewhere back in place in mythical time the land that was lost.

You know.

There's this garden with this mythical dude named Adam and a fairy tale of the of the story of Eden.

And and now all of a sudden you got Jesus the Savior the world dying for the sins of a mythical guy.

It's a mythical garden.

It doesn't work and so if you go back to the flood and you Park that in

history and then you open up the chapters before the flood when people were living 900 years old.

You're all sudden brought into this pre that this this this biblical time and if that's

real The Bible is going to have impact in your life because it has authority in your life because

people have dismissed the Bible.

They they have approved the Bible from a spiritual self -help book.

They've approved the Bible as a guide book.

They've approved.

The Bible is a New Testament theology about bringing up Jesus, but this culture

has dismissed the Bible Scientifically and they've dismissed the Bible historically.

But they don't understand if it's not true historically, and it's not true as scientifically.

Where is the gospel stand at all?

From a knowledge standpoint or from its validity or credibility standpoint.

It doesn't.

You know, so it takes time for people that to get this.

But that's why I think that our ministry is so compelled about proving that the flood really happened because if it

did You rewind a couple thousand years in your creation and you go beyond the flood thousands of

years and you're at Jesus and so it really Weaves together the

historicity of the Bible and it lays the foundation for the need for the gospel to happen in the first place.

No, definitely.

And like you said with those that say they're New Testament Christians or whatever, you know neglecting the fact that the

Messiah was promised back in Genesis 15 and to go ahead and defeat Satan as the adversary, but How

many times Jesus referred to you know, the days of Noah in the Olivet Discourse, like you said Peter referred to it.

So if you don't take Genesis of the literal history.

Then you got to assume that Jesus was either lying or wrong in Quoting Noah,

which to some people never happened.

And so you got to take the totality of Scripture.

And so no, I'm definitely with you on that.

Well, he's just said the flood came and took them all away.

And second Peter talks about the ancient world that then was but it's no.

It is no more that ancient world is gone.

It wasn't some local little thing that happened.

We can't even find the Garden of Eden because it was also covered by the flood.

So yeah, yeah, definitely.

I know you probably get asked this a lot and I think the answer is

probably Self -explanatory, but I'm just gonna ask anyways.

Biblical that was really the key word.

To describe the film from you know Y 'all's perspective and the key word that I remember seeing when I

watched the film itself.

Why did y 'all choose biblical as sort of like the key word or the theme and how did that word?

You know, how did you guys come up with that word?

Was there like a think -tank or were you like right away?

Sure.

So this movie was the most biblical film ever put in theaters in the history of the

world.

That's the truth and Talked with the leading Christian ministries.

They'll say the same thing.

It was seen by 150 ,000 people did 2 .1 million dollars at the BAC office because God favored it.

He wants this movie providentially to be seen at this time in history, and that's what it came out.

The other film that was out there leading up to this time was with Russell Crowe was a movie called Noah.

And it got three things right really correct it had there was a guy named Noah.

They got that they got that, right?

The arc looked pretty good.

It looked very representative of a biblical Arc including the color of it and everything

else and and the flood looked to be worldwide.

So they got those three things right in the movie, but it was not a biblical flood Movie

and it was very misleading to people who wanted to learn about the flood, but our movie was the opposite.

It was an hour and 52 minutes of being drenched and soaked in the truth.

But probably 20 or 30 salient points many of them undeniable.

It was an ironclad Case presentation of the flood yeah the honest

person the honest speaker seeker.

Look I had family members watch this movie who are not yet Christians who are not adhering

to the Bible.

And they said like I was gobsmacked by this movie.

It was an avalanche of evidence and a number of things that will keep people reeling.

For years after they see this movie, I mean we offer in this movie the first and only

mainstream scientifically valid point.

Supporting why people could live 912 years before the flood we've got it.

And we pinned it down and now it's on the main theaters big screen for everybody to see in a way

that you pretty much can't deny it if you really understand how people were living 912 years and how they

didn't just go from 912 years down to 70 years or a hundred years.

But how they tapered over time and it follows an exponential decay curve if you really get behind

that.

You're stuck with two options either.

There was a grand conspiracy that followed multiple generations that spanned over 3 ,000 years where

it was a multi -generational scam for people to try to shrink those lifetimes down from 900

years all the way down to a hundred years or.

It's real history with real scientific data that follows an r -square of 0 .95, which is

impossible.

To make up a long and these people knew advanced polynomial math to get it down to that

point.

That represented a biological decay curve of what would happen to humanity when you have

exponentially increasing mutations in our gene pool.

Reflected by exponentially declining lifespans.

It's a perfect fit.

It's a valid explanation and it's the first time that evidence has ever been released on a big screen.

And it's really hard to get out of it's very very convincing.

Yeah, no, you're totally right.

I mean the one thing I loved about watching it myself is the fact that you could take very

complicated terms and in concepts like that with the exponential decay curve you were talking about

but There was a way that everybody was able to in the film.

To bring it down to a layman's level so that people like me can really understand it.

It's one thing to use all the technical scientific jargon.

But it's another for your average everyday Joe to be able to understand what's being said and throughout the

entire film.

Everybody was just so clear in saying this is the technical information.

This is what it is at a layman's level and so all of us could really understand it and I really appreciated that.

Oh, that's great.

And then lastly, here's some good visual candy to explain it in a way.

That's Animated.

Ralph did a superb job with that.

So yeah, I know.

No, you said it took a long time for that CGI like you were saying days for like a 10 -second clip.

But yeah the CGI I mean me and my wife we try to find good shows to watch on television.

Yeah, good clean shows.

And the thing about like faith shows and faith movies is number one.

David AR Weitz and everything number two.

The quality of production just is not up to the same level production cast

things like that.

But this film the Ark in the Darkness.

It was probably the best thing that we've seen from a creation Christian standpoint.

And so hats off to that.

I do a tribute route for that.

And of course the the the ten or eleven interviewers that we had in the movie.

They did a great job being interviewed and a number of them were doing it late at night 2 3 4 in the morning.

So we had a great great team and they did a great photography.

Great director great interviewers.

It was a fantastic job.

Yeah.

Yeah, excellent.

Now. We're hoping to get dr. Price and dr. Jackson interviewed as well.

You know, maybe some others but uh, so I do have a question as far as being on the Ark now.

One thing I loved about the narrative is When Noah and the family had to go on to the Ark.

From what I read in the scripture. God says come into the Ark as if Christ

was there.

He's like come with me.

I will protect you.

I'm the deliverer for you.

I'm your shield your fortress.

I find that fascinating when he says come into the Ark not go but come.

But while they're on the Ark for a year What happens with all the human

and animal waste?

Like yeah, what process it now we can we understand they take small animals, you know.

You don't take the old geriatric ones and things like that.

You take the small ones that you can reproduce.

But as far as the waste What happens with the waste any thoughts?

Well, we do know that the the dimensions of the Ark were supernaturally downloaded from

Yahweh the maker of heaven and earth to Noah and he had 55 to 75 years to build it.

So that was supernatural.

The Bible says that God himself drew the animals to Noah.

That was supernatural and then the Bible also says that God closed them in.

So God sealed the door.

He was the last one to do it, which was amazing.

So we look at those three supernatural markers of the Ark and the flood process.

Of course the flood itself with catastrophic plate tectonics was also supernatural.

We know that God's hand was in it.

The the key to understanding the logistics of the Ark and things like the removal and or animal

waste.

Really hinges on one thing how much space was there?

It really comes down to wanted to that one thing and if we understand now as we do from looking at the

Baramin ology in the study of the biology and the animals at the family level like you've got eight bear species

that are.

That are all tired part of the bear family the ursidae family.

So you only need one set of bears to represent all the different species of bears.

We have the day and same thing with canis lupus or if you get a wolf kind.

We could have 339 dog breeds that all come from the wolf.

So you need to only need a pair of wolves and you look at chicken 68 breeds of chickens, but they all go back.

They're all in a fertile Horses same thing over 300 breeds of horses.

You can take the smallest one today and the three with the Clydesdale because they're all at the family level.

Only 7 ,000 animals had to be on the Ark.

Taking up room of about a third of the Ark because it was a huge vessel 300 cubits by 50

by 30 which means over 500 feet by maybe 80 by 50.

So it's a huge vessel.

You could put multiple semi trailer cars in and our movie goes over that and then if you have eight

people working with 7 ,000 animals and maybe 1 ,400 cages they

could easily go through on a shift based rotational process and Remove the waste and put it out remove

the waste and put it out.

So John Woodman rap has got the leading book out there on the feasibility of

Noah's Ark.

If you just go to to Amazon and type in John would more wrap On it.

I think it's called Noah's Ark a feasibility study.

He goes through all of that because we get a lot of skeptics like couldn't be built and the pitch never would have worked or

You can't get rid of the animal ways.

You can't fit all the animal.

He spent a long time doing that.

But now that we have the number of animals pinned down with the leading experts who study biology.

Getting it down to about 7 ,000 animals total.

You got eight people 371 days you can see how it could have worked out with ships.

Yeah, okay.

I do remember seeing in years past Something that they discovered

known as How what were they the Ark stones or or some sort of like some

buoy type.

Yeah, they were and I it made me think of you know critiques that skeptics have is like Oh, look at

the rendition of the Ark.

It would never go anywhere.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong dark wasn't necessarily meant to go anywhere.

It was meant to just stay afloat.

Is that accurate?

There's a lot of things.

We don't know.

Unfortunately from Scripture.

We know that it was waterborne for a hundred and fifty days only.

We know that there was a lot of tsunami Activity so God had to keep the Ark somewhere where there are a lot of those tidal waves were

building certainly not close to shore Where the tidal waves get up and get much bigger.

But we also know that the Ark could have easily handled huge swells up to a hundred feet.

There's been a lot of scientifics testing at the Korean Naval Research Center where they've done that kind of testing in

other places Where they proved it could have handled those those bigger swells the drogue stones.

We don't know if those drogue stones were in fact tied to the Ark.

There's a lot of mystery about the Ark or where it landed and things like that or if it had drogue stones or not

but a lot of people have speculated on things like that, but God knew what he was doing, but it had to stay afloat

for 150 days before before it lodged on land.

Yeah.

Speaking of which I gotta ask you is it in Turkey?

Where are we are today?

Yeah.

We get that a lot and I wish I could speak with more personal knowledge having been there or looked at some of these

locations.

But I do defer to a lot of scientists that have looked at the place in Turkey that it's

allegedly Noah's Ark.

The experts that I deal with believe that that is a post flood volcanic formation.

I haven't been there myself.

There's a lot of speculation.

Speculation, but remember the Bible says that it didn't land on Mount Ararat, but on the mountains of Ararat.

Yeah.

So there's really only two possibilities because I do trust the accounts from Josephus who is a

leading historian Back 2 ,000 years ago.

He said look people are showing up with amulets made of wood that were built that were

Designed based upon the wood from the Ark so he believes that the relics it did exist from the

actual Ark 2 ,000 years ago and.

So there's really two options either it's still under the ice and it's packed under the ice or it was

destroyed in post ice age flooding that happened after the ice age or

Maybe even more recently a thousand years ago 2 ,000 years ago things like that.

So I would I would hope to think that it still is packed under the ice.

Or maybe it wasn't covered.

There's some amazing stories that came out during around the World War two era where people You know, there's a lot of

supposedly eyewitness stuff, but things like that can can come and go with the seasons.

They can expose themselves and then be recovered with ice and snow.

So I would have to punt on that and say that the experts that I I deal with would say Those are your best

options to see and it's either still under the snow and ice or it was destroyed in post ice age flooding.

Do you do you believe like some people would argue that Noah and the family may have Used

that wood, you know after the flood.

I I don't know on that.

But I do personally believe that those accounts of Josephus that people were using scraps of

the of the Ark You know for making this ambulance and everything.

But it would certainly be very beneficial for Noah to use pieces of the Ark because it was already

You know, it was already cut and already crafted for building a vessel.

So it would have been very valuable wood to go out and use for for building houses and things like that.

But there's so much myth and mystery around that personally.

I believe that God is going to keep the truth of the Ark obfuscated or

Obscured so that we can't see it because if we just dug the thing up.

Well, what room would faith have now.

So God's I think got to keep that a little bit grayed out.

Because it would have a huge dramatic worldwide impact if we could discover it.

Maybe in the last days the last last days we'll get to find it.

They will be discovered.

Who knows?

Well, his question just came to my mind and I just got to ask you gopher would.

What what is it?

Let's go for wood.

Wood so so I've done some some Investigation with pitch and the effect

that it has on wood because Bible says that God covered it with pitch on both the inside and the outside

so I've dealt with pounds upon pounds of pine pitch or You

know pine tars as they would call you boil the stuff down and you put it on wood.

And when I did that testing I was convinced at the time that it could have been spruce wood.

There's some arguments that can be made from the original language it would say maybe it was spruce wood or cypress one of

the two things and There are some people say it could have been a laminate, but let's just go with spruce wood or

cypress wood but when you take planks or sightings of spruce or

Cypress wood and you take this bubbling hot pine tar and you get out a

You know a six -inch painted brush that you're gonna sacrifice because you'll never get the stuff off.

And you'll lap this up on the ship sighting yeah, we'll actually drive like a hardened

fiberglass enamel coating.

Seconds after you put this stuff on and it seals it like you wouldn't believe it.

It's incredible.

It's like instant fiberglass.

And they were you've been using it for waterproofing ships with such ship sighting all the way up to the

1800s.

It was the predominant way of sealing ships people can still even use it today.

And when you got this stuff on both the inside and the outside.

Again, God knew what he was doing to create a ship.

That was very very Strong and able to do what it needed to do out and see for the time that was out of that

sea.

Yeah.

Amen.

Amen now.

As soon as I left the movie theater from watching the ark in the darkness.

I've never done this before but I just felt impressed to go ahead and do a quick little video on my

phone for Anybody that watches it as far as a quick review as far as you know.

My thoughts on the film which later turned into a longer review of you know what I thought about it.

But from those two videos everybody keeps asking me.

When is it coming out when outside of the short releases in the movie theaters?

When is it coming out for download stream purchase?

What?

Do you have that information?

When can we expect it?

Yeah, so this this will be the most widely distributed piece on Noah's Flood in history.

And we are gonna pump it out to the world in every way shape and form.

We had to go through the theatrical release first because that brings awareness and credibility.

So that's done.

It's not gonna be out in the theaters again.

It actually did pull an encore on April 1st, which was great.

We didn't expect that but fathom green lighted that so it went huge and went deep at the box office.

2 .1 million, so we have a 30 -day blackout window that we're still on the inside until April

21st.

On April 21st, we're allowed to release it.

So it's going to go out on digital streaming and the DVD, but it will be available then.

Also, if it's not available for ship, it'll be available for for pre -ordering.

But it will go hot on April 21st through streaming either directly through our

website or the Noah's Flood Website or we'll have a Vimeo thing or something.

But we are working with digital aggregators right now to get it up on the major streaming platforms.

It's already been several different digital Aggregators are picking it up.

So it's gonna go out on on the main digital streaming platforms.

Several of them are gonna require a 90 -day exclusive so we can't go out free after that.

It has to be on paid platforms only when it goes out on the big digital streaming platforms.

It has to be behind paywalls and I get that because that's we're gonna do that because that's how people are watching content

these days.

It's gonna be queued up to them on Amazon Prime and all the all the other ones.

But then after that.

We're gonna put it out free on YouTube and that was the agreement and the commitment that Ralph and I had early on.

Was that we're gonna blow it out in multiple languages and it's gonna be free in In some version either a

lower resolution version.

We are compiling a high -res Blu -ray that will probably be the the most sold

piece that we do so you can put about 50 gigabyte of information on Blu -ray, we're gonna

have 49.

Why it's on there just about it's gonna be really high resolution out on I'm not sure the

actual gigabytes, but I know we're stuffing it with the other bonus clips and things like that.

So that will be available in a couple of weeks and we'll have announcements on that on April 21st, but we're

excited.

So that's the release schedule streaming DVD and then YouTube long -term.

That's amazing.

I mean y 'all have such an opportunity to just capitalize on on the financial aspect.

But your willingness to give it out for free is just a tremendous blessing.

And so I appreciate thank you.

It was actually gonna go free on YouTube right after the theatrical release.

But then we got speaking with the experts in the field and like well If you skip the digital streaming

platforms We were always gonna have them hold it as well as the the YouTube.

But the big boys won't pick it up if it's just blown out free on YouTube.

They'll skip right over it like a story on YouTube.

We don't want it.

But we know that the way to actually reach and penetrate to the largest audience is to put it out

on streaming platforms.

So when our motivation to get it out as wide Widely spread as possible We are

motivated to go out on the on the streaming platforms.

I'm definitely I imagine like all those major streaming platforms people will be like Oh this is a more credible project because it's on this

platform as opposed to just on YouTube because anybody exactly on YouTube and.

The biggest reason is that like a teenager is not gonna hop out of bed in the morning and think huh?

I'm gonna go type on YouTube.

What about the credibility of Noah's Flood?

But they will that evening be watching their Xfinity dish network, whatever it is.

I'm like, oh look at that.

It's a new movie popped up on Noah's Flood.

Heck I'll watch that but if it's on YouTube, it's only gonna be found by the people who are looking for that topic.

So our strategy is to reach as broadly as we can.

It's also gonna go out on the Faith Content Network and Trellis.

So they're gonna arrange a whole bunch of private church showings.

And we're also giving the movie free to hundreds of school hundreds of schools.

Christian schools have already signed up to get the DVD for free and books for free on PDF

format, so it's.

We really want to push this thing out.

Yeah, excellent.

I appreciate that.

I only have one more question for and I'll let you go.

I know you're a really busy man, but uh as.

We're wrapping this up.

What would you like to say to those people that may still reject?

Noah's Flood the literal accounts of history based on Genesis.

What would you like to say to?

Those people that are still critics.

Skeptics, whatever the case is.

Well, first of all, don't beat yourself up.

I was a Christian who was saved and born again and believed the Bible who

didn't know that earth was young and I didn't know that Noah's Flood Was real and not a myth up until 13 years

ago when?

God blessed me with a gift of understanding that it was true history.

The only ticket that I had to to dispense with to get into access that information

Was humility.

I had to stop regarding the world and its vantage points with all of its theories and ideas

about the age of the earth and history and local floods.

I had to dismiss that and Come to God with the humility of a child like a three -year -old and stand

under and submit under the authority of Scripture starting from a screen a Fresh

clean slate and say God you show me I'm gonna try to unlearn everything.

I've been conditioned into believing and.

And and I I did and that was through that humility that act of submission and humility under God's Word.

That was my ticket for proof for taking me on this faith journey.

Look, it's the same thing that happened to a man that was out at the dinosaur Provincial Park when my daughter McKayla.

And I were out there.

It was a hot summer day.

We're looking at this 30 -foot Hatterasaur dinosaur behind plus Plexiglass and it was just

me and my son and my daughter and there was a dad out there and his 10 year old son and His 10 year old son goes up and pushes play on

the audio tape put there by the museum to explain how this creature drowned.

Over 65 million years ago and this is well.

This creature came up to a stream that it turned into a river.

Then there was an Amazon tropical storm.

So the river overflowed its banks and this creature tried to swim across the flooded river and then it drowned and then

it's Brother got up and it tried to swim in that jam.

Then the next one got up and it tried to swim across and it drowned and my daughter her light bulb turned on.

She was maybe 16 17 years old the moment.

She's like dad.

That's a ludicrous story.

I can't believe that they're saying that because far as my eyes can see there's a 14 mile expanse.

With all these dead dinosaurs and they're buried with with fish and clams and all this marine life and they're buried under

50 feet of mud.

How does the lock a local tropical river?

Overflowing his ranks during a flood storm bury a dinosaur 30 feet tall under 50 feet of mud and she

had her rant Epiphany and this dad heard the whole thing next to his son.

He was standing like two feet from us very awkwardly in our personal space.

Listening to my daughter just flat -out have her epiphany moment, which you woke up to the truth of the flood.

We walked back to the museum and she went off to get an ice cream and then I was walking out to the car.

And here comes his dad walk it diagonally to me across the parking lot and I'm like, oh I just don't have

the tolerance for this guy right now.

He's gonna scold me for raising my daughter in this crazy creationist stuff.

And he comes up to me and he was real respectful and he says sir I just want you to know that I was right

there when your daughter had her rant about the Noah's Flood thing.

He says I'm a licensed geologist and I used to be a Christian.

But I gave it all up when I learned millions of years and the strata and the layers and and all that stuff.

But he says in five minutes your daughter's completely changed in my mind.

Wow.

He says I I'm I'm gonna release and unlearn everything I learned about

millions of years of strata because she's.

Absolutely, right the childlike perspective that she took on a fresh take these

dinosaurs buried under.

Multiple flat layers with no river bottom channel that carved any of it out.

They're buried like pancakes in these layers.

Under 50 feet of mud for 14 miles as far as your eyes can see and they're buried with fish and clams and

marine life.

And all sorts of ocean creatures and had to be worldwide catastrophe.

So this guy who was totally indoctrinated a licensed geologist totally indoctrinated millions of years

and layers.

He gave it up and it changed his life.

I saw him twice after that I mean and and that's what I went through.

So that's my wish and hope for people is it start with the authority of Scripture and take God

trust God for his version of history.

Because it will change your life it will be like being born again again and the 18

-inch gap separation between your head and your heart will snap into alignment and your theology would

get.

Will get more solidified and you're gonna get roots and if you want to have fruit as a Christian.

That's all about your root system.

And if you want a strong root and a fruiting tree and a burgeoning fruitful Christian life.

You got to get your roots straight and that's what I did.

And now my roots go all the way back to trusting that Jesus was there in Genesis and I've got

Genesis 1 and John 1 all lined up together.

Theologically correct now and it's been a metamorphosis for my whole life.

Amen.

Hey, man.

Amen.

I appreciate that.

It's amazing how we can be so influential in a passive way.

Like that and just to be able to affect another person that we don't even know is paying attention so I appreciate

that story that anecdote but uh.

Go check it out the ark in the darkness coming out the end of April 2024 and so dr. Biddle.

I do.

Thank you for your time today.

For anybody else still watching now, we'll have links in the descriptions as far as books different aspects from this interview.

But I thank you for checking this out until next time.

God bless.

Thanks for having me.

See you guys.