Interview with Dr Dan Biddle about the "Ark and the Darkness" Movie

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Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome back to C4C apologetics So a lot of you have been checking out the review that I did on the

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Ark in the darkness film a while back And so I'm excited to go ahead and announce that we got about three interviews from people that Had a lot of work a big role to go go ahead and do within this film.

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And so today we're interviewing. Dr Dan Biddle is the executive producer of the Ark in the darkness as well as the president of Genesis Apologetics and so we got some questions as far as what we're going to ask him and from what

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I from what I understand Dr. Biddle whenever I'm interviewing people. They're always like You give me some interesting questions

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I've been interviewed a lot before but there's some new ones out here. Did any of my questions surprise you at all?

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I'm just curious right off the bat No, and and I'm also interested in the and the questions that we can that we can go off of the script, too

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So those are sometimes the the most fun ones, but I don't think anything was was surprising there's a

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Yeah, this this movie really is stirring the pot within hearts minds and spirits of people who watched it

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I know people have watched it multiple times I know people who have given us testimonies that they've actually become angry because this movie has caused them to rethink the world the way that they were raised and the worldview that they have bought into for years and They're disturbed at that having to rewrite their history rewrite their worldview and their perspective of the world

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I also had to go through that when I converted to a creationist maybe 13 years ago or so I had to go through that process and for me it was it didn't make me mad

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But it did make me feel like I had been duped. So Yeah, there's a lot of people that have a lot of different variety of responses to watching the movie

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So yeah, I could definitely see that for sure It makes me think in one of the earlier books that I've written.

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I used the illustration of the land before time That people grow up, you know

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I grew up watching the land before time cartoons and you watch these movies and it's like 70 million years ago

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Whatever the case is you go through public education and the teacher and all the faculty and the staff

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They're like evolution evolution Lucy Lucy and all these other aspects and then you you come across when you're a grown -up

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You come across someone like you or me who's a young earth creationist and now it's like, okay land before time

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I grew up watching I've had 12 years plus of public education that says it's 70 million years ago

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But all of a sudden I got this adult that sounds like they're a pretty smart person, but he's saying gets it's not 70 million years

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It's actually 6 ,000 years or so and so I can definitely understand just the aspect of trying to challenge your own worldview and to be able to swallow that pride pill

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And be like, you know what maybe there is something else to look at and so I've been there before in fact

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When I converted to creationists, I was a very enthusiastic about sharing this and I took several of my friends out to lunch and They would honestly look at me and say

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Dan. You're a smart guy You have a PhD in the behavioral sciences I've always regarded you as an intellect, but I can't believe you actually believe the earth is 6 ,000 years old and that's happened

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Repeatedly in my lifetime and please understand. This is not a boast at all

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But what I say to those people is I said like I can't give it to you in a five minute elevator pitch

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I can't explain it to you in 30 seconds But I'm batting a hundred percent of those friends

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That I'm able to take to lunch and spend about an hour with if I can have an hour with someone

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I have yet to fail to convince them on young earth Creationism and it and I take zero credit for that.

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All I'm able to do with them is share look I did pressure test this

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I spent 90 days of my life and thousands of dollars worth of books and a trip to Canada and a

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Trip to Montana and several other trips And if I can just download for them over time and show them the logical steps in the path that it took me to It has always worked, but I can't do it in 30 seconds

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In fact, it's almost like you do a lot of damage in 30 seconds your elevator pitch Oh, yeah You know

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I've created everything in six days and God gave dominion over man then they named everything and dinosaurs were included and then the fall

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Came and then they turned into carnivores. They're looking at you like what on earth Are you talking about because you're you're going against what's called a neural network of fabric in their minds of Years of conditioning and hundreds of hours of conditioning and you can't unwind those things quickly

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In five minutes same thing. I just can't do it. But if I can have a lunch with someone

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I've I've seen in it's I'm not gonna say I've convinced them I'm gonna say the evidence flipped them just like it did me

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And so and when that happens, you can see you go through a realignment process and your mind and your heart can become a line

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And you're no longer resisting and fighting what scripture obviously says I mean the atheists they know what scripture says and that's why they're not oftentimes at odds

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So much with older creationists as they are with younger gracious. There's a reason why

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There are people on YouTube Who have dedicated their lives towards debunking our videos

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Go look at yourself on YouTube. I'll have one video that has got 50 ,000 views on topic a

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There's guys on their rebutting topic a that have 200 ,000 views

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They spend hours obsessing over this. Well, they're not doing that to Progressive or day age or gap theory people we are under attack because we're standing on the truth

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And it's a hotbed and that's that's a reason why the enemy has enlisted his forces the rulers

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Principalities and authorities are beckoned against us to defeat this because the enemy knows when people drink this truth in It's gonna cause life transformation

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Amen Amen, I appreciate that. Well Before we go any farther for anybody that may not know who you are

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Let's go ahead and talk, you know, explain a little bit about yourself anything about Genesis apologetics where you're the president of Share little thoughts on on that and then how did you actually get into apologetics?

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Yeah, so, um, gosh, I love that topic because I did go through I'm very enthusiastic

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About my my conversion testimony, but I was saved when I was 11 I went through a rebellious time as a teenager came back to Christ when

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I was 17 I backslid pretty hard until that time I locked in with Christ ever since I was 17 and got married

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Blessed amazing wife for kids business the whole thing and I studied to become a behavioral scientist

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I have a PhD in industrial organizational psychology for about 20 years I was a testifying expert in state and federal court cases dealing with statistics research and evidence and so I was on plaintiff side and the defense side and worked on over a hundred cases and lived in that world for about 20 years and then

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It was about maybe 13 years ago now or so and this is something that makes my

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Fundamentalist leaning friends a little bit uncomfortable God put a call on my life and I am

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NOT a woo -woo Charismatic, I believe that the gifts are for today again That makes a lot of people mad

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But I went through a process of my life where God called me in an undeniable ways that I can verify scientifically and spiritually

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God started putting markers into my life. I got dreams I had people say things to me that they had no busy no business saying or knowing about me.

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I got surrounded by By the Holy Spirit and by the

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Lord and by people and that's the only way I can explain it in it And I say that as a very conservative grounded businessman as an evidence guy as a person

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Yeah with a PhD in behavioral sciences. God called me supernaturally into this ministry

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And so I had two choices I could keep fighting it or I could succumb and you know

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It's like God saying hey come here. You're gonna have to jump in the water get swallowed by a fish I'm like, I don't want to do that version that story

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I want to submit and so I submitted and then God began compounding and growing and multiplying our ministry

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I don't believe that God calls people into addition and subtraction. I got called into the multiplying business business.

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I so to speak I One of my commissionings by the Lord Was to do a

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YouTube video about the flood. It was a very Supernatural download thing that happened to me and I did it.

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I was as obedient and then I went to go see dr John Baumgartner in San Diego when

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I was preparing to do that video and it was about to leave and dr Baumgartner says hey, you know look before you go.

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He just relented It was a very interesting dynamic because he's also a scientific guy He's like I just need to tell you something that might make you feel uncomfortable

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But I have to tell you he says a couple years ago someone came to me and said John towards the end of your life someone is going to come to you and take your work and make it famous and Then he handed me a blue USB thumb drive with his life's work on it

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And I took that work and I spent a couple months on it and I put it on YouTube With a video with compelling evidence about Noah's Flood that's turned out to be the most

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Watched video in history about Noah's Flood and again zero credit

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I got a commissioning from the Lord to do the movie I could give a longer version of that but people would agree after the hearing it like yeah

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Sounds to me like God gave you an assignment took the assignment ran with it met with John John's like yeah

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Someone came to me and said a couple years ago So it's gonna come to me in the last days your last part of your life

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Take your word make it famous it did it and it's got 2 .8 million views now on YouTube And then we end up doing a movie about it

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So it's interesting that that God can give a calling to someone that can be verified with what we see in the world

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God called John Bob Gardner to his work. He called me to my work We were we both submitted and surrendered and we took that work and then

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God did make it multiply and make it famous And so that's kind of how the our ministry got started

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But that even more specifically when God was calling me into the ministry I went to my son's I would say the day

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I got the call was There was a whole bunch of events that led up to this but I went to my son's back -to -school line at public school and Sat in the in the sixth grade world history class and the teacher said look if you're

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Christian or Jewish or Catholic Just know we've got to teach evolution. It's about two weeks And and then we get out

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It's not a big deal and I was looking at her Bookshelf and she was saying that she had all kinds of books on on evolution that it was reflecting that my son

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When he was attending her class was just being indoctrinated. He's like son.

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He's like dad all the other Christians I know are just heads down and they've got their pens and they're just writing all this stuff and they're believing all of it and And the

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Lord opened my eyes Again, it's as a cognitive psychologist. I understood all of the the propaganda that these kids were

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Reading about how they would layer the books with with truth Why truth truth truth lie truth truth not that they were lying, but they're just their misunderstanding of evolution

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And so when that happened to me and God really opened my eyes to what was happening in the state of,

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California I got physically sick in class. I I I I'm like,

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I'm gonna be told my wife I have to walk home. I can't stand this anymore And I walked home and and the

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Lord began slowly showing me Peeling the covers off of what's happening with people who are believing like the scripture says the lie

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Yeah, the lie of evolution is the grandest biggest lie that's ever been done And so but rather than jumping in with my own strength and then combating it with what tools that I was ready with The Lord again began coaching me on looks on.

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This is not your battle Don't even pretend you can fight it in your own strength and then God began downloading

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Instructions here, but the Bible says it is God who lives in you to will and to act according to its good purpose

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And Ephesians 2 says that we should do good works, which God has appointed in advance for us to do

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So God is involved in a very granular level at leading us and guiding us as spiritual believers

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I want to do and I began getting those steps and following those steps, even if they didn't make sense

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A lot of the stuff we do doesn't make sense Yeah, and then the Lord has blessed us and then the

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Lord eventually led me to do this movie And interesting just a quick side note on the movie that the commissioning that I got to do the flood movie

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Came at a time during with within a one -month period. I got sick and laid out with the nasty version of kovat

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Mmm, I was felt like I was half -dead. Yeah, my brother passed away from liver disease same month

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My mom's cancer came back to stage four and her eyes began bulging out of her head with tumors

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Since in recovery Okay, and I became an empty nester with all but my third and fourth kid going off to college

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I was a wreck the world period I'd ever have my life and it was during that down low period

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That again the Holy Spirit commissioned me I got the assignment to go do this movie and and I take too long to explain how it happened

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And God showed me wanted me to do this and I joined with Ralph strand who was equally passionate about doing this work and we

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Met together. I said, hey, let's do a film about the flood. That's gonna go through the theaters Let's put it out on YouTube afterwards.

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I'm like that great plan. Let's do it two and a half years later We give birth to the movie. Amen. Amen.

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Amen. There's a lot to unpack there I appreciate all that in that heart for ministry and just like I was thinking the whole time when you're talking about getting your commission

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I was like, well, is he gonna turn out like a Jonah case, you know get swallowed by a Like I read that story

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God, I don't want to do it but it's interesting when I used to wonder when people say Oh, I got a calling from God. I'm like, oh that sounds spooky.

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That's crazy You know God just leads practically and only through his word or you know I believe God speaks primarily through his word if you want to hear from God, you're not reading

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You're not reading this word, but if God wants to call you to do something He will do it and he will do it with ways that will make some

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Christians Uncomfortable, but he'll get your attention and that's what he did with me and thank God I leaned into that and I obeyed

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But I got the commissioning of us. It was very clear that he was calling me to do the movie It's amazing when things like that happen.

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I know Being military just retired not that long ago. We were stationed in South Dakota And it was our last assignment me and my wife were we're always talking about what are we doing when we retire?

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Do we want to get back into ministry? Do we want to do this or that and we were we were offered a

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To consider a position here at a church by the senior pastor and so me and my wife were like, okay

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So if we were to go to this church What would we'd like to try to adjust or do things a little differently or whatever?

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The case is what ministries would we want to try to invest in? So me and my wife came up with these ideas as far as what we would do

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Well, we ended up coming out and visiting for a little while and part of the visit at this church was to go ahead and and for me and the senior pastor and a bunch of the men they're just meet in a room and Just talk about different things and unbeknownst to me the senior pastor opened up the floor to all the guys

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There is like so if you could change anything about open door What would you want to change and I kid you not every single thing that they mentioned not one more not one less

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Everything was stuff. Me and my wife had already talked about Not one more not one less.

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I mean You absolutely can't can't make it up the

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Lord knows how to tune in a signal that's just tuned to your receiver Yeah, and that's the kind of God.

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I want to follow it is God who's the king creator of the universe, but also can tune in and give

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Specific callings and and anointings for what we do and praise God for that. That's a great story my calling was very similar just that you look at a certain circumstance like I can't make this up and then what happened again and Again, and again,

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I'm like, okay, I give Well, we're gonna be talking a lot about the movie but before that Can you shed a little light as far as Genesis apologetics?

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How does this ministry help equip believers reach unbelievers a little bit about Genesis apologetics before we move on Yeah, sure.

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So youth today are 6 .7 hours a day on their phone and in many ways

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That's how they shape their understanding about the world and the worldview you he who has the most compelling video wins

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They're they're they're truth assembly. And if you look at what's happening in and public school and education

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They have these amazing multi -million dollar videos that just make evolution seem so real

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How could you deny it and it's it's kid the message is carried through video And so we are a student focused ministry

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We do a lot with public school kids But we also serve the private school kid community and the homeschoolers as well

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But we want to bridge the gap and help Christians that are you know, our true regenerate

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Christians part of the remnant To help them understand that Genesis is real history and we do that provide producing short compelling videos

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We have three long form works out there as well And we're working on on more but I think most of our ministry is just coming out with short

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Compelling impactful videos that distill Genesis truth and show it as real history so we've got that but we've got books and training programs and things for K to 8th graders and 5th to 10th graders and College kids as well, but that's um, we're very much of a video focused ministry

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So you got a curriculum for homeschoolers things like that as well? We do we have several different programs for we've got the student zone for K to 8

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We've got the debunking evolution for 5th to 10th graders We've got the the seven miss program for 11th grade and up and then we've got

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Genesis impact for family Which is a great program to watch before families go visit public public museums

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So several different offerings, but it's all video based and it's interesting that also it's all free we sell hard copies of our books, but you can download all the

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PDFs and all the videos for free and That's really what we're doing.

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But we've got our Marketing director Elizabeth that's gonna be hitting the top 12 homeschool conventions in America over this year

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Yeah, bring it all those books and products around the nation So we do cater to the homeschool community as well

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But my heart really breaks for Christians who are in public school in the state of California For example by the time they graduate high school, they will have received 250 pages of evolution teaching spread out over 50 classroom hours

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And they're really not given a strong biblical case at all by their church family or school

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Of course on biblical creation but the students who do take the time to learn it will be convinced by it because our hearts and spirits resonate with what's true and most students go to public school just know in their hearts that That doesn't really make sense and Lucy doesn't look like a predecessor to humans and I know in my heart that That evolution is not true so what they're doing not some not half but most of Christians who are in public school are ending up as at best as theistic evolutionists

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Believing that God used a long slow random murderous process to bring about humans on earth

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Which is completely flipped opposite of the truth where God created us as perfect Everything was perfect.

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And then we brought the fall and death suffering a bloodshed or our fault It's not the circle of death that there's an enemy

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So but most most students just don't don't know that so we're we're on a mission to help strengthen the faith of all who will believe

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Amen, I mean, there's so much I told you before I keep my I try to keep my confidence to a minimum you're given so much a

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Intrigue, you know, you mentioned Lucy once or twice and it's always amazing to me where with all these models of Lucy they give they give

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Her human eyes, you know with the sclera And if you give Lucy ape eyes, it's gonna look like an ape and I so it's just amazing with that and then

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You know, there's a lot to be said about Lucy just got a Genesis apologetics comm slash

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Lucy And you can we've got all of our videos there We've got public school teachers that are using our

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Lucy videos just because on a scientific Grounds alone. Lucy has been weighed measured and rejected.

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They can't even determine her gender anymore her Thoracic vertebrae belong to a therapeutic.

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It's not even to an australopithecus She's a mess, you know and a little three and a half foot tall monkey that weighed 40 pounds

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It has nothing to do with human evolution So yeah, but and there's several different reasons to believe that that she's even been rejected by by many mainstream secular evolution believing

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Scientists have rejected Lucy as a as a supposed transitional form. So yeah. Well, that's that's good to know.

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I Curious what are your thoughts on the age of the earth in the universe? I know last last

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I checked I think they tried to update the timelines, but 4 .6 billion and 13 billion years for the earth in universe

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What are your thought how old is the earth universe and and based on what evidences would you posit those ages?

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Yes, so I have a guarantee in that that the guarantees are going to keep changing that age

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The Bible is very clear that God created the heavens the earth to see and all that is in them in six days

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As the Jews would understand it. So when God downloaded the Ten Commandments to Moses Exodus 31 says it's the only one scrap of Scripture the only small passage that God chose to wrote with his own hand and he conveyed

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To the Israelites in a way that they would believe that the six days of creation were ordinary earth rotation days

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Because he said for in six days he created the heavens the earth the sea and all that is in them

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So everything was created in six earth rotation days And we know from Luke chapter 3 the

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Genesis genealogies that goes 77 patriarchs back From Jesus all the way back to a at Adam who was in Luke chapter 3.

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It was he was the son of God So Adam was not a son of a son of a son of a son of right?

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Yeah, Neanderthals homo sapiens Promagnum man Lucy any of that stuff. He was a son of God whom he breathed into existence to bring stewardship to take stewardship over all that he had just made six days prior to him and Adam was a capstone and then he drew

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Adam or Eve from Adam and those two took Dominion and stewardship over everything

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And Adam named everything issuing Dominion over all of them So everything was spun up into existence because you had to have all the planets and the rotations

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And the gravity there within the six days and God started time as we know it with the you know

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Marking out everything and the the stars and the heavens for the signs seasons days and years

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So it all had to be present there. God was very intentional and as far as when that happened

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There are two different viewpoints that are within Orthodox Christianity Yeah, the Masoretic would lean about 6 ,000 years the

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Septuagint set of text might go back 7 ,800 or so years I'm okay with either one of those because they they don't put death before sin

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However, we lean Masoretic we teach that as a it's a straight Bible There there are some things that are interesting about the

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Septuagint text that would have the flood around 32 BC and creation around 5 ,500

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BC. I think there's some great strong academic arguments for bringing us to that Perspective, but the

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Masoretic is just fine too. We teach from that position It's very much a similar place that answers in Genesis lands where they teach from the

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Masoretic But you look at the answers research journal and they'll entertain all kinds of good scholarly viewpoints that want to stretch it back to the

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Septuagint so I've learned enough about that world to be okay with either perspective, but we teach from the

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Masoretic. Yeah, okay Okay, well, that's good to know You know while we're talking about You know the ages there's one verse or one passage in the book of Job that I've always wrestled

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Well, not really wrestled with but trying to paint a picture as far as what creature this is Now I understand

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I would believe that the behemoth that is spoken of in Job is some type of sauropod

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Dinosaur brontosaurus brachiosaurus, whatever the case is, but then you get in Job chapter 40 and we get this picture of what's known as the

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Leviathan 41 can now draw out the Leviathan with a hook or his tongue and this and that so there's

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Description as far as this creature called a Leviathan believe in verse 19

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It says out of his mouth goes burning lamps and sparks of fire leap out out of his nostrils goes smoke

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What what is the Leviathan from your understanding what is this a dinosaur is this a sea creature is this a flying creature?

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It's a dragon. What do you think? This is sure in Job chapter 40 and 41

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We have the end of a narrative where God shows up to Job He shows up on the scene Job has been whining and complaining for 38 chapters for for good reason to of course

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But he's been trying to philosophize with his friends and everything and God shows up at a whirlwind and says

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Job sit down and shut up and listen to me That's essentially what the Hebrew is saying grab yourself like a man and listen

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That's what he says gird yourself around like a man sit down I'm gonna show you some things and then

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God begins a narrative of listing about a dozen different animals Normal animals that we would understand the way of the eagle and the deer and all these different animals

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And Job's listening and listening and listening But when we get to Job chapter 40,

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I'm 100 % certain that the description in Job chapter 40 is a narrative of behemoth, which is a sauropod dinosaur could have been

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Argentinosaurus titanosaurus it was maybe not to plot a kiss because God says it's the biggest baddest thing he ever made

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He uses the Hebrew where he says that he behemoth is the chief of all of my ways

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The biggest grandest terrestrial creature I ever made in a ranked sorted list is

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Behemoth and look at the fossil record. It was absolutely a large massive sauropod and some of these creatures are 122 feet long and 77 tons and they're amazing and they're massive and they represent the grandeur of God and Then God brags about that.

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He's just consider this behemoth, which I made along with you like on the same sixth day of creation It's got a scale that says like sways like a cedar tree and then

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God describes 13 Unmistakable characteristics of a sauropod dinosaur that don't fit a hippo.

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They don't fit a crocodile It's a sauropod and God expresses his magnificence through this creature

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Which he made as a chief of all of his works. Then we get to Job chapter 41 and I'm strongly confident, but not certain

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That it was a dinosaur kiss which is a super croc and we have a video on our website

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And on YouTube just called what it what was Leviathan and I think there's again

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There's a strong list of over a dozen Descriptions of this creature

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Leviathan that lead us to believe it was a super croc Primarily for the hornback description that's given

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Alligators and crocodiles have got a horn back that's on them It's a whole bunch of osteoderms or scutes which are bony circular plates that are on his back where no air can pass between and they are

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Impervious by the seven different weapon systems that God names in Job chapter 41 and God says look you're human man -made instruments of warfare are a joke to this creature and we prove that using slow -motion cameras and Warbows that we go against an alligator hornback that we attack with all this different weapon systems say yep

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No, our air can pass between it and nothing can pass it not not a dart not an arrow not a javelin not a spirit

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Nothing can penetrate this thing and the only thing that what we can't be for certain is the apparatus used for breathing fire

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Because soft tissue decays over time But the dinosaur kiss fossils that have been uncovered lead us to believe that the animal probably weighed seven tons was was as long as 40 feet long and eight dinosaurs because some of the

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Remnants that have been found in the stomach regions of these fossils show the dinosaur kiss a crocodile or eight eight dinosaurs

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Oh, wow yeah, that's what we think it was we make a pretty strong argument for that on our

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YouTube video called Leviathan Well, I think we're gonna have a link in the descriptions here as far as this is concerned

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But you know that's I've never heard that before so I definitely want to look that up I know the information's out there.

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It's just I haven't studied that aspect of it, so I appreciate all that Yes, Spinosaurus would be a close second, but I think

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Leviathan wins. Yeah so Moving on. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Spinosaurus Spinosaurus would be a tough second a good argument for a second

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But I think dinosaurus is probably what the only thing I know about Spinosaurus correct me if I'm wrong was from Jurassic World is that correct?

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That's correct and sadly we actually don't have a lot of fossil records to go on for Spinosaurus We had some but they were all lost during the war

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Yeah But I and that's why I think that we know was a semi aquatic creature and dinosaur kiss

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Really would have fit it and the Bible also says it would play in this in the ship ways of ships

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Oh, yeah, so so it's and they've there have also uncovered some evidence that thunder circus would go out to sea so yeah

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Strong arguments for that creature, but it could have also been a Spinosaurus you make me want to ask you about a unicorn

31:36

Yeah, if you just look at the ice age creatures that have been discovered with the longest form that ever been found there are some single horned rhinoceros creatures that have been found in Ice age layers that would make a strong argument for what a unicorn could have been a single horn

31:54

Creature so yeah I think I've looked it up as far as etymology of the word and just how words evolved meaning and I think one of them talked about like what is it like a

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Monoceros or some some aspect like that. I don't But you would know a lot more. Yeah, I forget the name of the of the creature

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It did go extinct during the ice age, which is of course after the flood But it is a huge creature that they found that's got like a four foot tall

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Single horn that that goes up and oh, yeah, it looked like a wooly rhinoceros type of a creature

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But had a big huge single horn that went up. Yeah, okay Well with the film the

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Ark in the Darkness, I'm curious. How long did it take from start to finish you know production -wise?

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Not like brainstorming, but like from starting the production to when it was released How long did it take because it was very amazing it was about two and a half years?

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And and I have to give credit to our producer director Ralph Strin for that The guy just didn't stop.

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He literally lost two and a half years of his life in this movie Just poured it straight in 12 hours a day

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Just just buried himself into it, but some of the parts would while he was working

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He's got these render farms set aside with his software programs that would do the rendering for the animation parts of the movie

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And he had some some scenes in there And if you haven't seen the movie yet wait to about 35 minutes into the movie when the flood

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Commences that the flood commencement scene when the water drops begin falling that two -minute segment would take

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Probably weeks or months represented in his render farm to do all that CGI And he's got several computers lined up with the the second to the the world's most fastest

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AMD chip processors and these machines that will grind at night and day they have to be

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Refrigerated and he's got these render farms that will just cook these scenes To the point where you might take a day to render out ten seconds worth of what's ended up in the movie

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But yeah, but the whole process was about two and a half years and Ralph Burdened that on his shoulders and did a great job with it

34:03

Wow Wow What was the motivation behind getting this film out now,

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I've seen Genesis paradise lost few years back I Love the flood this just reading about the flood the cultural legends that are surrounded all over the planet about some sort of flood

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But what what was your motivation to go ahead and do this film? Outside of the gospel.

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It's the most life -changing message in all of Scripture in my humble opinion

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Really and I do I didn't mean that humbly that's my opinion because listen

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It is the longest description the longest narrative of anything in Scripture Even the resurrection even the crucifixion it beats all of those

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It's a longest account because we have the diary from Noah Who experienced it and we have the whole of Scripture all of the credibility of Scripture?

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Hinges on the flood being real you've got David talked about it Moses talked about it

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Jesus talked about it Peter talked about it All kinds of Scripture writers and authors talked about the flood as a true narrative.

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So if the flood was mythical or just some little local thing that flooded the valley of Mesopotamia if you mythologize the flood or it didn't happen or you put it as an allegory

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The credibility of Scripture is smoked. It's gone. And that's why I think it's it's the most compelling story

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One of the most valuable stories in Scripture because if people understand it really happened that everything else can line up And you've got the

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Bible now attached to history because what's happening in our culture right now is people will say

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Oh, I'm a New Testament Christian. I believe in Jesus. I need him He's gonna be my parachute to jump out of play and when

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I die, he's my Jesus parachute. I got salvation Well, what where did I challenge people describe to me the gospel without quoting

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Genesis? They can't do it. Not the true gospel because you know, Jesus died for my sin.

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Where'd you get sin from? You know the garden somewhere back in place in mythical time the land that was lost

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You know There's this garden with this mythical dude named Adam and a fairy tale of the of the story of Eden And and now all of a sudden you got

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Jesus the Savior the world dying for the sins of a mythical guy It's a mythical garden. It doesn't work and so if you go back to the flood and you

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Park that in history and then you open up the chapters before the flood when people were living 900 years old

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You're all sudden brought into this pre that this this this biblical time and if that's real

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The Bible is going to have impact in your life because it has authority in your life because people have dismissed the

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Bible They they have approved the Bible from a spiritual self -help book. They've approved the

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Bible as a guide book They've approved. The Bible is a New Testament theology about bringing up Jesus, but this culture has dismissed the

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Bible Scientifically and they've dismissed the Bible historically But they don't understand if it's not true historically and it's not true as scientifically

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Where is the gospel stand at all? From a knowledge standpoint or from its validity or credibility standpoint.

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It doesn't You know, so it takes time for people that to get this

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But that's why I think that our ministry is so compelled about proving that the flood really happened because if it did

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You rewind a couple thousand years in your creation and you go beyond the flood thousands of years and you're at Jesus and so it really

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Weaves together the historicity of the Bible and it lays the foundation for the need for the gospel to happen in the first place

37:53

No, definitely. And like you said with those that say they're New Testament Christians or whatever, you know neglecting the fact that the

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Messiah was promised back in Genesis 15 and to go ahead and defeat Satan as the adversary, but How many times

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Jesus referred to you know, the days of Noah in the Olivet Discourse, like you said Peter referred to it

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So if you don't take Genesis of the literal history Then you got to assume that Jesus was either lying or wrong in Quoting Noah, which to some people never happened.

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And so you got to take the totality of Scripture and so no I'm definitely with you on that Well, he just said the flood came and took them all away and second

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Peter talks about the ancient world that then was but it's no It is no more that ancient world is gone.

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It wasn't some local little thing that happened We can't even find the Garden of Eden because it was also covered by the flood.

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So yeah, definitely I know you probably get asked this a lot and I think the answer is probably

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Self -explanatory, but I'm just gonna ask anyways Biblical that was really the key word

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To describe the film from you know Y 'all's perspective and the key word that I remember seeing when

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I watched the film itself Why did y 'all choose biblical as sort of like the key word or the theme and how did that word?

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You know, how did you guys come up with that word? Was there like a think tank or were you like right away? Sure. So this movie was the most biblical film ever put in theaters in the history of the world

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That's the truth and Talked with the leading Christian ministries. They'll say the same thing

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It was seen by 150 ,000 people did 2 .1 million dollars at the BAC office because God favored it

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He wants this movie providentially to be seen at this time in history, and that's what it came out The other film that was out there leading up to this time was with Russell Crowe was a movie called

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Noah And it got three things right really correct it had there was a guy named

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Noah. They got that they got that, right? The arc looked pretty good. It looked very representative of a biblical

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Arc including the color of it and everything else and and the flood looked to be worldwide

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So they got those three things right in the movie, but it was not a biblical flood

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Maybe and it was very misleading to people who wanted to learn about the flood, but our movie was the opposite It was our in 52 minutes

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Being drenched and soaked in the truth, but probably 20 or 30 salient points many of them undeniable

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It was an ironclad case presentation of the flood The honest person the honest speaker seeker like I had family members watch this movie who are not yet Christians who are

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Not adhering to the Bible, and they said like I was gobsmacked by this movie It was an avalanche of evidence and a number of things that will keep people reeling

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For years after they see this movie. I mean we offer in this movie the first and only mainstream scientifically valid point

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Supporting why people could live 912 years before the flood we've got it And we pinned it down and now it's on the main theaters big screen for everybody to see in a way that you pretty much

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Can't deny it if you really understand how people were living 912 years and how they didn't just go from 912 years down to 70 years or a hundred years

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But how they tapered over time and it follows an exponential decay curve if you really get behind that You're stuck with two options either

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There was a grand conspiracy that followed multiple generations that spanned over 3 ,000 years were it was a multi -generational

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Scam for people to try to shrink those lifetimes down from 900 years all the way down to a hundred years

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All right, or it's real history with real scientific data that follows an R square of 0 .95

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Which is impossible to make up along and these people knew advanced

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Polynomial math to get it down to that point That represented a biological decay curve of what would happen to humanity when you have exponentially

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Increasing mutations in our gene pool reflected by Exponentially declining lifespans.

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It's a perfect fit It's a valid explanation and it's the first time that evidence has ever been released on a big screen

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And it's really hard to get out of it's very very convincing. Yeah. No, you're totally right

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I mean the one thing I loved about watching it myself is the fact that you could take very

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Complicated terms and concepts like that with the exponential decay curve you were talking about but There was a way that everybody was able to in the film

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To bring it down to a layman's level so that people like me can really understand it It's one thing to use all the technical scientific jargon

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But it's another for your average average everyday Joe to be able to understand what's being said and throughout the entire film

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Everybody was just so clear in saying this is the technical information This is what it is at a layman's level.

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And so all of us could really understand it and I really appreciated that Oh, that's great.

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And then lastly, here's some good visual candy to explain it in a way. That's Animated Ralph did a superb job with that.

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So yeah, I know No, you said it took a long time for that CGI like you were saying days for like a 10 -second clip

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But yeah, the CGI, I mean me and my wife we try to find good shows to watch on television Yeah, good clean shows and the thing about like faith shows and faith movies is number one

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David AR Weitz and everything number two The quality of production just is not up to the same level production cast things like that But this film the

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Ark in the Darkness It was probably the best thing that we've seen from a creation Christian standpoint and so hats off to that I do a

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Tribute Ralph for that. And of course the the the 10 or 11 interviewers that we had in the movie

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They did a great job being interviewed and a number of them were doing it late at night 2 3 4 in the morning

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So we had a great great team and they did a great photography great director great interviewers

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It was a fantastic job. Yeah. Yeah, excellent. Now. We're hoping to get dr. Price and dr.

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Jackson interviewed as well You know, maybe some others but uh, so I do have a question as far as being on the

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Ark now one thing I loved about the narrative is When Noah and the family had to go on to the

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Ark From what I read in the scripture. God says come into the Ark as if Christ was there

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He's like come with me. I will protect you. I'm the deliverer for you. I'm your shield your fortress

44:46

I find that fascinating when he says come into the Ark not go but come But while they're on the

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Ark for a year What happens with all the human and animal waste?

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Yeah, what process it now we can we understand they take small animals, you know You don't take the old geriatric ones and things like that.

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You take the small ones that you can reproduce But as far as the waste What happens with the waste any thoughts?

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well, we do know that the dimensions of the Ark were supernaturally downloaded from Yahweh the maker of heaven and earth to Noah and he had 55 to 75 years to build it

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So that was supernatural the Bible says that God himself drew the animals to Noah That was supernatural and then the

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Bible also says that God closed them in So God sealed the door. He was the last one to do it, which was amazing

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So we look at those three supernatural markers of the Ark and the flood process

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Of course the flood itself with the catastrophic plate tectonics was also supernatural. We know that God's hand was in it

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So that the the key to understanding the logistics of the Ark and things like the removal and or animal waste

45:58

Really hinges on one thing how much space was there? It really comes down to wanted to that one thing and if we understand now as we do from looking at the bear immunology in the study of the biology and the animals at the family level like you've got

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Eight bear species that are and that are all tired part of the bear family the ursidae family

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So you only need one set of bears to represent all the different species of bears? We have the day and same thing with Candace lupus or if you get a wolf kind We can have 339 dog breeds that all come from the wolf

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So you need to only need a pair of wolves and you look at chicken 68 breeds of chickens But they all go back.

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They're all in our fertile horses. Same thing over 300 breeds of horses You can take the smallest one today and the three with the

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Clydesdale because they're all at the family level so only 7 ,000 animals had to be on the

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Ark Taking her up room of about a third of the Ark because it was a huge vessel 300 cubits by 50 by 30 which means over 500 feet by maybe 80 by 50

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So it's a huge vessel you could put multiple semi trailer cars in and our movie goes over that And then if you have eight people working with 7 ,000 animals and maybe 1 ,400 cages they could easily go through on a shift based rotational process and Remove the waste and put it out remove the waste and put it out.

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So John Woodman rap has got the leading book out there on the feasibility of Noah's Ark If you just go to Amazon and type in John would more rap

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On it, I think it's called Noah's Ark a feasibility study He goes through all of that because we get a lot of skeptics like couldn't be built and the pitch never would have worked

47:39

Or you can't get rid of the animal ways. You can't fit all the animal He spent a long time doing that But now that we have the number of animals pinned down with the leading experts who study biology

47:50

Getting it down to about 7 ,000 animals total. You got eight people 371 days you can see how it could it worked out with ships.

47:59

Yeah. Okay. I do remember seeing in years past Something that they discovered known as How what were they the

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Ark stones or or some sort of like some buoyant Yeah, they were and I it made me think of you know critiques that skeptics have like oh look at the rendition of the

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Ark It would never go anywhere Well, correct me if I'm wrong dark wasn't necessarily meant to go anywhere.

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It was meant to just stay afloat. Is that accurate? There's a lot of things we don't know Unfortunately from Scripture.

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We know that it was waterborne for a hundred and fifty days only We know that there was a lot of tsunami activity

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So God had to keep the Ark somewhere where there are a lot of those tidal waves were building certainly not close to shore

48:45

Where the tidal waves get up and get much bigger But we also know that the Ark could have easily handled huge swells up to a hundred feet

48:52

There's been a lot of scientific Testing at the Korean Naval Research Center where they've done that kind of testing in other places where they proved it could have handled those

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Those bigger swells the drogue stones. We don't know if those drogue stones were in fact tied to the

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Ark There's a lot of mystery about the Ark or where it landed and things like that or if it had drogue stones or not

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But a lot of people have speculated on things like that But God knew what he was doing But it had to stay afloat for a hundred and fifty days before before it lodged on land.

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Yeah Speaking of which I gotta ask you is it in Turkey? Where is the

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Ark today? Yeah We get that a lot and I wish I could speak with more personal knowledge having been there or looked at some of these locations

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But I do defer to a lot of scientists that have looked at the place in Turkey that it's allegedly

49:44

Noah's Ark The experts that I deal with believe that that is a post flood volcanic formation

49:51

I haven't been there myself There's a lot of speculation Speculation, but remember the

49:57

Bible says that it didn't land on Mount Ararat but on the mountains of Ararat Yeah So there's really only two possibilities because I do trust the accounts from Josephus who is a leading historian

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Back 2 ,000 years ago He said look people are showing up with amulets of made of wood that were built that were

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Designed based upon the wood from the Ark. So he believes that the relics it did exist from the actual

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Ark 2 ,000 years ago And so there's really two options either It's still under the ice and it's packed under the ice or it was destroyed in post ice age

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Flooding that happened after the ice age or maybe even more recently a thousand years ago 2 ,000 years ago things like that.

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So I would I would hope to think that it still is packed under the ice Or maybe it wasn't covered

50:49

There's some amazing stories that came out during around the World War two era where people, you know There's a lot of supposedly eyewitness stuff, but things like that can can come and go with the seasons

50:59

They can expose themselves and then be recovered with ice and snow So I would have to punt on that and say that the experts that I I deal with would say

51:08

Those are your best options to see and it's either still under the snow and ice or it was destroyed in post ice age flooding

51:15

Do you do you believe like some people would argue that Noah and the family may have

51:21

Used that wood, you know after the flood I I don't know on that But I do personally believe that those accounts of Josephus that people were using scraps of the of the

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Ark You know for making this amulets and everything But it would certainly be very beneficial for Noah to use pieces of the

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Ark because it was already You know, it was already cut and already crafted for building a vessel

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So it would have been very valuable wood to go out and use for for building houses and things like that But there's so much myth and mystery around that personally.

51:58

I believe that God is going to keep the truth of the Ark obfuscated or Obscured so that we can't see it because if we just dug the thing up Well, what room would faith have now so God's I think got to keep that a little bit grayed out

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Because it would have a huge dramatic worldwide impact if we could discover it maybe in the last days the last last days

52:22

We'll get to find it. They will be discovered. Who knows. Well, his question just came to my mind and I just got to ask you

52:29

Go for wood What is it? Let's go for wood What so um, so I've done some some

52:37

Investigation with pitch and the effect that it has on wood because Bible says that God covered it with pitch on both the inside and the outside so I've dealt with pounds upon pounds of pine itch or You know pine tars as they would call you boil this stuff down and you put it on wood and when

52:57

I did that Testing I was convinced at the time that it could have been spruce wood There's some arguments that can be made from the original language it would say maybe it was spruce wood or cypress one of the two things and Or some people say it could have been a laminate, but I let's just go with spruce wood or cypress wood but when you take planks or sightings of spruce or Cypress wood and you take this bubbling hot pine tar and you get out a

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You know a six -inch painted brush that you're gonna sacrifice because you'll never get the stuff off But and you'll lap this up on the ship sighting.

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It will actually drive like a hardened fiberglass enamel coating Seconds after you put this stuff on and it seals it like you wouldn't believe it.

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It's incredible It's like instant fiberglass and they were you've been using it for waterproofing ships with ships ship sighting

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All the way up to the 1800s It was the predominant way of sealing ships people can still even use it today

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When you got this stuff on both the inside and the outside Again, God knew what he was doing to create a ship.

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That was very very Strong and able to do what it needed to do out and see for the time that was out of that city

54:14

Amen amen now As soon as I left the movie theater from watching the

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Ark in the Darkness I've never done this before but I just felt impressed to go ahead and do a quick little video on my phone for Anybody that watches it as far as a quick review as far as you know

54:31

My thoughts on the film which later turned into a longer review of you know, what I thought about it

54:37

But from those two videos everybody keeps asking me When is it coming out when outside of the short releases in the movie theaters?

54:47

When is it coming out for download stream purchase? What? Do you have that information?

54:53

When can we expect it? Yeah so this this will be the most widely distributed piece on Noah's Flood in History and we are gonna pump it out to the world in every way shape and form

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We had to go through the theatrical release first because that brings awareness and credibility. So that's done

55:10

It's not going to be out in the theaters again. It actually did pull an encore on April 1st, which was great We didn't expect that but fathom green lighted that so it went huge and went deep at the box office

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It did 2 .1 million. So we have a 30 -day blackout window that we're still on the inside until April 21st

55:27

On April 21st, we're allowed to release it So it's going to go out on digital streaming and the

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DVD will be available then Also, if it's not available for ship, it'll be available for for pre -ordering

55:40

But it will go hot on April 21st through streaming either directly through our website or the

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Noah's Flood calm Website or we'll have a Vimeo thing or something But we are working with digital aggregators right now to get it up on the major streaming platforms

55:56

That's already been several different digital actor aggregators are picking it up So it's going to go out on on the main digital streaming platforms

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Several of them are gonna require a 90 -day exclusive so we can't go out free after that It has to be on paid platforms only when it goes out on the big digital streaming platforms

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It has to be behind paywalls and I get that because that's we're gonna do that because that's how people are watching content these days

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It's gonna be queued up to them Amazon Prime and all the all the other ones But then after that We're gonna put it out free on YouTube and that was the agreement and the commitment that Ralph and I had early on Was that we're gonna blow it out in multiple languages and it's gonna be free in in some version either a lower

56:39

Resolution version we are compiling a high -res Blu -ray that will probably be the most sold piece that we do so you can put about 50 gigabyte of information on Blu -ray, we're gonna have 49

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White's on there just about it's gonna be really high resolution out on I'm not sure the actual gigabytes, but I know we're stuffing it with the other bonus clips and things like that So that will be available in a couple of weeks and we'll have announcements on that on April 21st, but we're excited

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So that's the release schedule streaming DVD and then YouTube long -term.

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That's amazing I mean y 'all have such an opportunity to just capitalize on on the financial aspect

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But your willingness to give it out for free is just a tremendous blessing. And so I appreciate thank you

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It was actually gonna go free on YouTube right after the theatrical release

57:34

But then we got speaking with the experts in the field and like well You're gonna if you skip the digital streaming platforms

57:41

We were always gonna have them hold it as well as the the YouTube But the big boys won't pick it up if it's just blown out free on YouTube.

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They'll skip right over it like a story on YouTube We don't want it But we know that the way to actually reach and penetrate to to the largest audience is to put it out on streaming platforms

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So in our motivation to get it out as wide Widely spread as possible. We are motivated to go out on the on the streaming platforms

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I'm definitely I imagine like all those major streaming platforms people will be like Oh this is a more credible project because it's on this platform as opposed to just on YouTube because anybody exactly on YouTube and The biggest reason is that like a teenager is not gonna hop out of bed in the morning and think huh

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I'm gonna go type on YouTube. What about the credibility of Noah's Flood? But they will that evening be watching their

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Xfinity dish network, whatever it is I'm like, oh look at that's a new movie popped up on Noah's Flood heck.

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I'll watch that But if it's on YouTube, it's only gonna be found by the people who are looking for that topic

58:44

So our strategy is to reach as broadly as we can It's also gonna go out on the Faith Content Network and Trellis So they're gonna arrange a whole bunch of private church showings

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And we're also giving the movie free to hundreds of school hundreds of schools Christian schools

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I've already signed up to get the DVD for free and books for free PDF format, so it's

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We really want to push this thing out. Yeah, excellent. I appreciate that I only have one more question for and I'll let you go.

59:12

I know you're a really busy man, but uh As we're wrapping this up, what would you like to say to those people that may still reject

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Noah's Flood the literal accounts of history based on Genesis What would you like to say to?

59:28

Those people that are still critics skeptics, whatever the case is Well, first of all, don't beat yourself up.

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I was a Christian who was saved and born again and believed the

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Bible who didn't know that earth was young and I didn't know that Noah's Flood Was real and not a myth up until 13 years ago when?

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God blessed me with a gift of understanding that it was true history The only ticket that I had to to dispense with to get into access that information

01:00:02

Was humility I had to stop regarding the world and its vantage points with all of its theories and ideas about the age of the earth and history and local floods and I had to dismiss that and Come to God with the humility of a child like a three -year -old and stand under and submit under the authority of Scripture starting from a screen a

01:00:23

Fresh clean slate and say God you show me I'm gonna try to unlearn everything.

01:00:30

I've been conditioned into believing and And and I I did and that was through that humility that act of submission and humility under God's Word That was my ticket for for taking me on this faith journey

01:00:43

Look, it's the same thing that happened to a man that was out at the dinosaur provincial park But my daughter

01:00:48

McHale and I were out there. It was a hot summer day We're looking at this 30 -foot Hatterasaur dinosaur behind plus Plexiglass and it was just me and my son and my daughter and there was a dad out there and his ten -year -old son and his

01:01:01

Ten -year -old son goes up and pushes play on the audio tape put there by the museum to explain how this creature drowned

01:01:08

Over 65 million years ago and this is well This creature came up to a stream that it turned into a river then there was an

01:01:14

Amazon tropical storm So the river overflowed its banks and this creature tried to swim across the flooded river and then it drowned and then its

01:01:22

Brother got up and it tried to swim in that jam Then the next one got up and it tried to swim across and it drowned and my daughter her light bulb turned on She's maybe 16 17 years old the moment.

01:01:32

She's like dad. That's a ludicrous story I can't believe that they're saying that because far as my eyes can see there's a 14 -mile expanse

01:01:38

With all these dead dinosaurs and they're buried with with fish and clams and all this marine life and they're buried under 50 feet of Mud I was a walk a local tropical river

01:01:48

Overflowing his ranks during a flood storm bury a dinosaur 30 feet tall under 50 feet of mud and she had her rant

01:01:55

Epiphany and this dad heard the whole thing next to his son He was standing like two feet from us very awkwardly in our personal space

01:02:03

Listening to my daughter just flat -out have her epiphany moment when she woke up to the truth of the flood

01:02:09

We walked back to the museum and she went off to get an ice cream and then I was walking out to the car and here

01:02:15

Comes his dad walk it diagonally to me across the parking lot and I'm like, oh,

01:02:20

I just don't have the tolerance for this guy Right now he's gonna scold me for raising my daughter and this crazy creationist stuff

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And he comes up to me and he was real respectful and he says sir I just want you to know that I was right there when your daughter had her rant about the

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Noah's Flood thing He says I'm a licensed geologist and I used to be a Christian But I gave it all up when

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I learned millions of years and the strata and the layers and and all that stuff But he says in five minutes your daughter has completely changed my mind

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Wow He says I I'm I'm gonna release and unlearn everything

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I learned about millions of years of strata because she's absolutely Right the childlike perspective that she took on a fresh take

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These dinosaurs buried under multiple flat layers with no river bottom channel that carved any of it out

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They're buried like pancakes in these layers Under 50 feet of mud for 14 miles as far as your eyes can see and they're buried with Fish and clams and marine life and all sorts of ocean creatures and had to be a worldwide catastrophe so this guy who was totally indoctrinated a licensed geologist totally indoctrinated millions of years and layers he gave it up and It changed his life.

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I saw him twice after that. Amen, and and that's what I went through So that's my wish and hope for people is it start with the authority of Scripture and take

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God trust God for his version of history Because it will change your life. It will be like being born again

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Again, and the 18 -inch gap separation between your head and your heart will snap into alignment and your theology would get

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Will get more solidified and you're gonna get roots and if you want to have fruit as a Christian That's all about your root system

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And if you want a strong root and a fruiting tree and a burgeoning fruitful Christian life

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You got to get your roots straight And that's what I did and now my roots go all the way back to trusting that Jesus was there in Genesis and I've got

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Genesis 1 and John 1 all lined up together Theologically correct now and it's been a metamorphosis for my whole life

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Amen, amen. Amen. I appreciate that It's amazing how we can be so influential in a passive way

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Like that and just to be able to affect another person that we don't even know is paying attention so I appreciate that story that anecdote but uh

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Go check it out the ark in the darkness coming out the end of April 2024 and so dr.

01:04:52

Biddle. I do thank you for your time today For anybody else still watching now, we'll have links in the descriptions as far as books different aspects from this interview