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I'm so delighted to have returning to iron sharpens iron as our guest today Mike

Abendroff pastor of Bethlehem Bible Church in West Boylston, Massachusetts adjunct professor

at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and author of Jesus Christ the Prince of Preachers

and the sovereignty and supremacy of King Jesus bowing to the gracious Despot,

he's also co -host of no compromise radio.

And today we are addressing one of his books sexual fidelity No compromise and it's my honor

and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron Mike Abendroff.

Well, I'm so glad to be back on.

Not in Massachusetts, but if I wasn't message to

where even the Republicans are Democrats.

That they're the same party as far as.

Somebody.

Somebody Somebody once told me they are the Republicans and Democrats are

the same crime family different cartel.

Well, I just got back from Europe

speaking and Inevitably, Switzerland

or maybe in Germany or England and we would talk about the Lord and

his word and the Lord Jesus the theological issues and Then you know people say what's really on

their mind for the end and then they would look at me.

They didn't they weren't concerned about Covenant Theology hypostatic Union Eschatological views we

want to know about Donald Trump and in studio with me is my co -host the Reverend buzz

Taylor.

Don't get used to it

Mike.

You said something about a dinner party, but is that what you were just talking about now or is this something different?

Oh, it was interesting, you know, how God is just rating all kinds of things and including

this dinner.

And then there was a concert afterwards.

And so it was my food is at Mount Hermon Christian Conference Center Outside of Santa Cruz, California,

and there were four of us.

And so we had to sit and again, it's

a Christian call a small talk.

And it was this man's birthday next to me and he said so are you a Jesus follow

though?

Well, that's interesting way to go about it.

He was not necessarily a Jesus follower at least not the Jesus of the Bible.

He was from trained by Bill Church in Redding, California, and

they had a special

I just want you to know that my wife Mike.

Why is it that you are the theological?

Lunatic magnet wherever you go.

Nice have a nice dinner and then all of a sudden crazy people who exchange dreams

for biblical revelation poor

people.

Mm -hmm.

Mad too because when you when you place anything on par with it

just

are redeemed we still need revelation

outside of us because We are fallen and we can't trust ourselves.

And the Reformers would talk about extra not outside of ourselves.

And so I'm glad for your audience and the way you teach we look not to ourselves.

But we look for the Lord Jesus in his word.

Which is outside of ourselves.

And Hebrews 1 says in these last days you want to know how God speaks?

It's not through angel dust pixie dust feathers or anything else.

It's the external Word of God and I'm thankful for that.

And the reverend Buzz Taylor has something.

Who shot them.

Well, I said to my wife I'm not against feathers, you know, I need a nice pillow and stuff like that.

But if that is what you need for evidence.

You know people are exchanging this external evidence for the working of God and it reminds me the book of

Hebrews.

Can you imagine these? recipients of that ritual

Temple its beauty.

It's a grandeur.

It's marble.

It's gold the trumpets the incense the Sacrifices.

I mean it just had to be a marvel and they were thinking Why get persecuted when we can go back

to that great temple and the writer of Hebrews says he does say listen.

You've got Jesus.

And so you've got it all cream.

He is Superior and if you have Jesus, you've

got everything if you don't have him, you've got nothing.

So just made me be reminded again.

And thankful to the Lord that he has shown me we need to go back to the Lord Jesus and who he is

found in the word and in the word alone and all these other people come and go and they're just tossed to and fro and.

So I just had both how could people demean God's Word and then sadly

sadness these people were just rudderless, you know.

It's interesting it's kind of a Providential occurrence that you even brought up those

feathers because I had just heard about a week ago from The woman who led me to the Lord 30 years

ago.

Susan.

She told me that she was listening to Catholic radio and there was a serious discussion

and I do highlight that word serious discussion amongst the Roman Catholic panel and they were

talking about the sacred relics in the Vatican and they included

Either a feather or feathers from the wings of Michael the Archangel.

Oh.

There you have it.

But I did go to a particular church a Roman Catholic Church and in one a little kiosk highlighted it

was Mary and the Latin phrase is Mary destroying the

heretics and it was Mary with this large cross.

It looked like almost a lightsaber and she was destroying both Luther and Calvin and their writing

really.

Wow.

Yeah, that's really what they believe and you

know Council of Trent has not been rescinded.

That's right.

We have to keep reminding folks because there are many Catholics and

Protestants who are ecumenically minded who behave as though Council of Trent

is nothing more than a relic That you can pick and choose.

Whatever is relevant to today as binding upon your Catholic Church.

But that is not true, this is a Council that produced dogmas

that the church for all ages the Catholic Church For all ages is obligated to obey and

those anathemas against us still stand and they include the anathemas regarding the

Protestant understanding of justification by faith and I've had Catholics say to me.

Well, you know, I agree with you.

I believe that we are saved By grace alone through faith alone and that works are

only a necessary fruit of that saving faith.

And I said well Even that is under the anathema of the Church of Rome.

If you're a Catholic your own church is an anathema against you because even saying that good works

are a necessary sign.

But they are only a an evidence or fruit of saving faith.

Even that has a curse upon it from Rome.

Well, it's amazing and I totally agree with that.

Chris, here's the amazing thing.

What Catholics do and sadly some Christians and every other religion what they

do when you meet.

Your you know, you know, you're a girlfriend and you're thinking about marrying her.

You do not say, you know what?

I'm gonna judge you for 30 years on what kind of woman you are and what kind of cook you are and what kind Of

host you are.

And then if it meets my criteria.

After 30 years, I think about I'll think about marrying you.

After you do all these things then I'll accept you.

And Christianity.

Biblical Christianity.

Can you imagine a justification by faith alone God declares us?

When we're saved he declares us righteous.

Christ fulfills the law for us and God sees us as if we did that

forensic alien righteousness.

And Christ Receives our sins by imputation and God Accepts us at the very

beginning.

So then to go back to the wife analogy.

The wife would be free to be a host to have hospitality.

To cook because she knows she's already loved and she's not trying to walk on eggshells.

So I feel sorry for my Catholic friends.

Well, my grandmother was alive Roman Catholic.

How would you like to live your whole life wondering am I accepted by God or am I not?

It's a good way to grind out works of the gospel that

God.

Amen.

Well before people start wondering if they tuned into a rerun because we're not talking about the subject that we advertise I

think we should get to our topic today, which is your book sexual fidelity No

compromise, and I want to read the Description

that your website gives for this book.

Written in no co style which is an abbreviation for no compromise.

Always biblical always provocative always in that order sexual fidelity is internationally

arranged and 30 pungent chapters So that the readers will study one chapter

per day with the hope of establishing consistent and biblical thinking about sexual purity.

The book's purpose is to saturate the reader's mind on a daily basis to think correctly about

sex and how it relates to Christ and his church.

And I understand Mike that this actually developed

from this book developed from men's discipleship classes at Bethlehem Bible

Church the church that you pastor in West Boylston, Massachusetts and

This basically sprang out of father and son discussions during this.

This study sure did Chris.

And what happened was both with the men's discipleship group and especially with my son.

No, I had to talk with my son.

About sex and God's design and maybe we can talk about that a little bit to

him.

Listen son, you can ask me and I'll

give you the answer.

And We just had an open communication on the

radio.

It wasn't, you know in an inappropriate would show

maturity.

And so I just wanted to have a good talk with him and one day he said we were downstairs lifting weights and hanging out.

It wasn't some kind of you know, catechism moment, but he just said dad.

I don't think I have the gift of single.

And so I said, all right son, thank you.

And then I said something to him and I put it in a book.

You know.

In.

Light of who Jesus is as well.

That's why I almost led you with the discussion of justification my faith alone early because

I don't want to talk about sex to be Strictly moralism or what Mormons could discuss or

what even Roman Catholics could say to talk about it?

And that is in the framework of all of the Books of the Bible in a biblical theological kind of

way, but that's how it started.

So I began to talk to him about a variety of subject and then I thought you know what?

How often do I need to talk to young men and older men about this topic?

We get conferences.

Would you please address this in a in a in a nice manner and you know in a non lurid manner?

In a biblical manner, and so I thought you know what?

I might as well start writing these things down so we could just pass it on to anybody that could benefit.

And so that's how the book sexual fidelity came about.

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What do you think?

That.

The church at large is getting wrong.

When it comes to the subject you would think it's just a no -brainer that I think most

People in the United States whether they are Christians or not they understand that

biblical morality includes monogamy and includes

that sex is only for married couples and.

That it's.

Sex is only between a man and a woman.

I think that even your average homosexual or person involved in that activity

or a person who is just an agnostic or atheist.

They have an understanding that that's what the Bible teaches not that they agree with it.

So what what are we getting wrong as Christians on this subject?

I?

Guess what happens Chris and buzz as we as Christians we either underdo something or overdo it.

You know if six o 'clock is biblical theology is a Bible's view of this.

Theology of sex and we were at five o 'clock or at seven o 'clock or we go even farther.

I think you'll see with the cyclical paddle of a pattern of things, you know in the old days, maybe

more Victorian Prudish let's not talk about it.

There are some commentators that I've read even from the last 20 years that have said it would be Inappropriate to teach

through song of Solomon on a Sunday morning in a public setting.

For the Lord's Day worship.

Wow kind of that.

Yeah, it's that attitude now, of course, I'm not promoting at young juniors.

Let's bring a bed up on the platform.

Well, he did that he brought it up.

I don't call it even platform for him it was on a stage.

You know, he was trying to get couples to be together on a regular basis.

And then he was up on the roof and and this is who?

This is true.

Ed Young jr.

Wow, Ed Young jr.

I used to when my early life as a Christian Ed Young senior was a part of my staple.

Diet of.

TV evangelism and I did For years really love and grow from

the dad.

Not that I today would agree with everything that he taught But I think I would be in largely in a lot of

agreement with him.

But the Sun seems to have gone off the rails, I guess I.

Know and you know what?

I think he paved the way.

How do you get attendance up and giving up and excitement for the church at least for the men's perspective?

It seems like sadly they'd have these eight -week series and of course then Driscoll did it and Driscoll became infamous.

With his overseas talk and some of the things he would do here in the state with this topic including his book.

Which I think said way too many

things and with my son I can talk about more specific things.

But in public passages of the Bible, what does

Proverbs 5 say?

What's a song of Solomon's say.

What does first Thessalonians?

It is God's will fear.

Can you be forgiven for say have a chapter about how you can wear white on your wedding day?

Even if you're not a virgin because how does God see you.

God sees you?

Righteousness.

Jesus was sitting see them as

that.

I try to just say let's go back to the Bible because my own opinion it will

fade it doesn't really matter.

But if I want my grandkids to read it What is a relevant truth and that is Scripture and that's

why when I write books I'm thinking You know, I this book should be able to be read in India in

Germany in America in Iceland by Eskimos because it is God's unchanging word and if

I throw in all kinds of modern anecdotes and and Cultural references to try to quote

make it relevant and quote.

I'm just going to defeat the purpose.

So take care of itself like Luther when asked

how did he start the Reformation?

Luther said I I preached and I went to bed because the Word of God did it all.

Amen.

Well, uh this discussion on sexual fidelity could hardly Be

adequate if we didn't bring up a sin that seems to be plaguing especially men,

although not exclusively men and a sin that from what I hear is even a Huge

problem not only amongst members of evangelical churches, but even pastors in

Evangelical churches.

I don't know how these statistics are developed.

I've heard Todd Friel on wretched Gives some pretty alarming statistics that I wonder

how on earth could he know those things, but I've heard that That this is the pornography

is a huge problem even in the pastorate in the conservative evangelical church.

Is that What you have found in some way and according to some statistics somewhere.

Yeah, I've seen that as well.

I don't know if that

what they mean by pastor.

It's almost like when you say we're gonna do a study in a survey.

I mean, you know, you're trusting alone in Jesus Christ the God man, you know death burial

resurrections epidemic.

Pandemic.

I filters on my computer and it blocks it out.

You know, how do you get sex information in a holy way off the internet?

You don't you don't want all those links and so it becomes difficult

sometimes women.

But maybe I

shouldn't use the word struggle.

Some of them don't struggle at all.

They just do it.

They're remorseful afterwards, but they just do that.

I think the way pastor should treat this though.

You know, I've got this problem and what it's whatever.

I want to try to remind them early on that.

Since God doesn't see them as that's the porn guy.

He doesn't identify them that way.

Then I'm not going to either there's a long line of sinners in this church.

So I'm going to treat you when I see you on Sunday.

Like another Christian and I'm not going

to identify you as that because I don't think that's the way the Bible identifies you.

Now if somebody's not a Christian, of course.

It's a completely different thing and remind them first who they are in

Christ and what Jesus has done.

And why it's important to trust in him even now and ask forgiveness and how powerful the gospel is and how

sanctification does follow.

Justification.

Lots of times.

I think laziness I think

it has to do with Christian men oftentimes laziness and so I would tell my

you have testosterone and it's knocking at your door and What is it trying to tell you?

Well, if you're playing Call of Duty part 5 25 hours a week.

You are not helping yourself because testosterone Should make you go out and say to yourself I'd

like to act in a godly way and go in a godly woman so I can just have a companion for the rest of My life

which includes having sex with my wife.

That's what it's driving you to do.

So if you bypass to win a wife and just

say I'm just going to get on the computer To me that that's the baseline.

It's it's laziness.

So to with a man who's married the

man just is and he doesn't want to win a wife.

He obviously has the keys to her heart.

He's the one who first Got her to say I do and now he's just too lazy.

He doesn't want to deny himself.

He doesn't want to love her.

He doesn't want to talk to her and cherish her and care for her.

What's easier?

Well, it's easier just to go downstairs to the computer and some people who are struggling with pornography.

Maybe you might want to ask yourself the question.

Am I lazy?

Is that factoring in?

Yes, and well, I think that it is obvious that you have I

don't know if you ever personally had this problem or addiction or difficulty with pornography, but at least you took

an initial step to prevent Going in that direction by something

you said you have some kind of blocks on your Your computer so that you cannot

view Pornographic material and therefore that is obviously a recommendation.

Or one of them so I'm assuming many recommendations that you could offer to Christians

to Prevent either that sin from creeping into your life or

from returning to your life.

And I'm assuming that another good way.

I know a lot of folks whose Email addresses are identical to their wives.

They have this.

In other words, they share the same email address and That that might prevent

the those those intimate private conversations with members of the opposite sex

that begin as pure and wholesome perhaps at least in motivation

and then have tragically turned into flirtation and then sometimes

all too many times manifest themselves in adulterous relationships.

So there are things that we can do that that are not foolproof, but that at least of roadblocks.

Am I right?

You're all muffled brother.

I couldn't hear what you were saying.

Okay.

How about now?

Perfect.

Okay, I put my phone to my shoulder for a second because I wanted to look up this particular illustration in my own book.

By the way, I finally have a book.

I completely agree with 100 %.

I.

Although it's interesting when I first began to preach I was preaching through the book of Mark 20 years ago the gospel of

Jesus according to Mark and and The the guys at our church didn't give it up on the website or they

lost it or something like that I was very bugged.

It took me a long time to prepare those messages.

We preached it over a few years and I was I was perturbed that those sermons about the gospel

mark weren't up on the website but now looking back and thinking about how moralistic those sermons were

and Probably filled with more law than gospel kind of hard to do I guess unless you're an

expert like me at taking the gospel of Jesus According to Mark and turn it into law.

So now I praise God those sermons were lost.

The lost sermons of Mark.

Now if you could you've used this term, in fact, it was Used in a negative way

on your website in regard to Your book in other words that your book was not

Moralistic if you could explain further for our listeners.

What exactly you mean by that?

Sure.

Well be accountable.

Let your wife, you know, see your website if she wants to see your phone here check my check

that my wife doesn't know.

She said honey.

I'd like to see your text.

To people that you talk any kind of female conversation.

I just say here you go.

There's I don't think there's anything wrong with and if we're just

and I think I do know what.

I don't look at pornography.

I don't text the opposite sex.

I don't search around on Facebook.

I don't stare at a girl for more than two minutes.

I don't check her out and we have all these things that we do or don't do and we have the list.

Then we could think you know.

We've created a new list kind of neo -nomian list and we say you know what we do these things and we don't do these.

Other things therefore were good and I think you know what Pharisees were really good at lists

and their heart was I think a lot? of this has to do with the relationship

with the Lord Jesus Christ and who he is and I would say If you're listening today

and you struggle with sexual temptation, if the only thing you do is study books about

sexual purity study How to block things on your website

or reading the Gospel of John and Read about this great Messiah who

was prophesied of old who can change people.

You can not only change water into wine and you can not only touch lepers and heal them.

He can walk on water.

But he can change the hearts of people and give them new appetites and new desires and God has

not just justified us.

He's also regenerated us and he knows about struggling sinners, and he was tempted in every way

as we are yet he's without sin, and so that's why it's so important to focus on this high priest and

Think even about Jesus when you know you have a bad prayer life.

I could say you know how many hours you pray without ceasing and there's

nothing wrong with.

With quoting that

passage

at the end of the day who he is and

think about him even praying that you'd like to have pray

For you.

Is there anybody more kind that you know of kinder than Jesus who you'd like to have prayer for you?

Well, if that's the case that there's nobody better.

Aren't you glad that Jesus?

Makes intercession for us even today even about these things and so I want to make sure it's a Christ centered

Discussion about sexual purity and sin not just a bunch of do's and don'ts.

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This is Chris Arnzen if you just tuned us in.

Our guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go is Mike Abendroth

and We are discussing his book sexual fidelity No compromise

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We do have a question from Mike.

I'm sorry from Gordy in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

He has two questions.

Actually, the first one is I've come to the conviction that there is no such thing as sexual addiction.

And that victory in the war with this particular sin is a matter of God dependent discipline.

What are your thoughts?

Well, sometimes we use words like addiction or I've got a syndrome or a

disease or something like that.

God has put it into our Image that we

will do things Regularly and it will become very simple for us to do.

And so when you first drive a car You have no habitual.

And so you just you know turn off the radio.

Nobody talk pay attention hands ten and two and pretty soon you drive for five weeks six weeks

seven weeks and you can just drive perfectly because God has developed us and made us as Habit

forming people.

So I think we could have habits and if you're watching pornography every day or something bad every day Then

you will develop those habits.

And it seems like an addiction, but I wouldn't call it that because if you call something sin

Then there's hope and sin can be forgiven.

Can addictions beings be helped?

Maybe yes, maybe no, but God and his

indwelling word and union with Christ.

And so I would not prefer addiction, even though I know what the world means by it.

Yeah, and I mean couldn't the word in some sense be rightly used.

I'll give you an example.

I am a person Who was delivered by God's mercy from?

Drunkenness habitual.

Drunkenness and.

There is a difference between the person Who never

drinks and then one night at a wedding or on New Year's Eve or during some celebration?

They get bombed out of their mind.

That is still a wicked sin.

But at the same time it is different from the person that habitually Every day gets drunk

like I had the habit of doing so.

Isn't there some way you could use the word addicted?

In the sense that you're not undermining the fact that it's a sin.

It's not just some Biochemical thing that that I know that a lot of people who are

drunkards and drug Addicts for lack of a better term.

They use the term addict as some kind of a

way to lessen the severity of their personal responsibility.

They.

Will use it as you know.

And the word disease is thrown around which I don't use and I am opposed to people using

that kind of Language when they are more of a victim than a perpetrator of sin.

But isn't there someplace that that it is appropriate to use something like addiction just to Give you the

idea of the difference between somebody who gets Drunk once in a blue moon and the person who is

habitually drunk.

Sure, and you know if I wanted to put you something like in

Snares if anyone is caught in any transgression we

might say with a synonym addicted or

Enslaved somebody came to me and said I'd like some

help for my addiction when it comes to pornography or alcohol.

I wouldn't say by the way, that's not the word we use.

I would say sure, you know what?

I'd love to help and the Bible can help you and I would love to help you in any way.

So I I think I know what people mean when they say it and I'm not some kind of stickler.

I just try to move them over into Other words

kind of nomenclature, you know unrighteousness or ungodly behavior or sin.

I'm trying to think of the Proverbs.

I think it's Proverbs 28 that talks about the idea and I

know what 28 Has the idea where it says in verse 13 whoever

can see but he who confesses said,

you know God forgive me for my pornography addiction,

but he prayed that way and I'm just trying to use biblical terms when I can

and when appropriate.

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We have Daniel from San Jose, California.

How far is that from where you are right now Mike?

It's called just over the hill just by route of Highway 17, so it's about 25 minutes away.

Wow, okay.

Well, I'm not gonna tell Daniel your exact location because he might ruin your vacation.

Might intrude where he is not welcome.

I'm only kidding Daniel, but Daniel in San Jose, California says.

Can you explain the biblical commands in Scripture to be sexually pure as well as

what?

Impurity can and does lead to.

That's his first of three questions.

All

right.

Well the

Salonians

chapter

not called us

for him

people say

well, you know

what?

I don't care about that.

We've evolved a

Sexual and he tells his

son this and

almost, you

know, I thought so

people all the time.

You

should

probably have

these

conversations

about sec.

We've

looking at

other

people and measuring their wives against Models and and Pixel

that don't even exist.

I love the way there's nothing inappropriate

in the

wife

of your you be

intoxicated always in her love.

Just real and rock.

It's almost like Inebriated with her love just enjoy your wife, you know.

What a wonderful to try you in

God and they go back to their hotel room.

And they get down on their knees by the bed and say God we're thankful

you brought us together in your Providence.

Would you just bless this time you're just such a great God and how holy how wonderful

how we Long for that for ourselves and for our children and grandchildren and so this is something that can be very

holy and must be because God in

the Bible when it

comes to false religions with

prostitutes

you are my image bearers and.

Daniel also asked can you explain the process of staying?

Sexually pure while living in a culture that celebrates sexual impurity on Television

billboards at stores and many times within the workplace.

How can we flee from such sexual immorality or temptation?

Well, that's a really great question because in the old days I'd say to myself, you know what?

I'm not gonna go get gas in a place where I have to walk in and they got a bunch of Cellophane covered, you know smutty

magazines and then now, you know, you can at least pay outside.

But you go to Germany or sickly utilitarian.

That's flown over that that's flown over into the

view of culture regarding sex.

It's utilitarian.

What I mean by that is When you get hungry.

You eat when you get thirsty you drink and nobody says I can't believe you became hungry

and had that.

Let's see.

What do they have here in Santa Cruz that?

Macrobiotic veggie burger.

I can't believe you did.

And.

So the same thing now happens with sex.

People say I have this desire I have these hormones and I act on them.

Who's to blame.

We know what's the big deal and Paul thought that in first Corinthians six and the slogan going around

Quorum and Paul rebukes that idea because

these bodies are going to be resurrected and you know.

Can you imagine living in the culture and you

look up at the hill and that's where the prostitutes were for the temple and on Friday?

Nights, they would descend upon the city for worship except it wasn't

a creed.

How devilish is this kind of system?

You want to get close to us with the temple prostitute?

I mean, you know men made that up these these these carnal man says, you know, there's a way to

be sexually pure and I could be in a sexually.

Saturated shins are gonna then say well, you

know what?

Maybe I should just.

Actually I've been seven

together.

No, we're

all like

today

richly and you're

focusing on

Jesus Christ, I

think let's contain

that so

if you

want.

Nonsense, and we're

gonna pick up on

Daniel's a third question when we return from the break.

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Reverend buzz Taylor had something to say in regards to some of the last comments made before the break.

Right, the question was of course in how to deal with with sexual impurity and

It's been a long time since I've preached through this text.

So I'm not totally clear on it.

But in Galatians 5 somewhere around verse 22, we have the deeds of the flesh and the fruit of the spirit

Paul says very and I believe is verse 16.

He says Walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh and then he says.

After a few verses the the deeds of the flesh are obvious which are in the very first three things He mentions

have to do with sexual sins.

It's it's immorality, which is actual X.

And then the second one was impurity so that that was specifically what our questioner was asking about about how to deal with

impurity and.

Of course his solution is walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh and

he acknowledges that the the spirit is at war with our flesh, but he also and I think this is where

I think people need to pay really close attention to the Temptation or the

failure to have victory over it I should say is that it says also at the end of that passage that

those who practice such things Shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

So I would say if you're involved in impure thinking and that's that's where you know, you've you've

encountered this in the world I'm sure many times where There are people that no matter what you say

They can make it dirty that that's that's what Paul's talking about is impurity.

It has to do with just a bad attitude towards something that God has made beautiful to where Everything

can be made impure that person.

Yeah, absolutely and when I think about these deeds of the flesh and I was reminded of Romans

Chapter one where we just watch the world as God gives them over God gives them over.

God gives them over.

When I when I just see folks who are enslaved to that and aren't Christians, you know, our first reaction

is yeah.

It's it's us versus them kind of thing.

But even as Paul then addresses the so -called Righteous ones the

self -righteous and religious ones when we know enough to know something's wrong.

Then judgment comes on us too.

And if we perfectly obey the law fine.

But if we fall in any way, we need Christ's righteousness.

Well, and and I think you see that in Galatians 5 with Paul's attitude.

How do we deal with?

Sin well if it's you know.

Unrepentant habitual sin we need to evangelize people and if people are Christians who are caught up in this

sin.

We ought to remember even as it says in Galatians 6 We are redeemed people and fallen and

we ought not to forget that God has forgiven us Plenty of sexual sins, even though it might not have been

with our body.

It might have been with our minds.

I think that's just a good reminder as we deal with Galatians 5 and 6.

Thank You buzz.

And the third question that Daniel in San Jose, California

says it's a question.

Slash comment.

Lastly Mike may not remember me, but that's okay.

I picked up the book discovering Romans spiritual revival for the soul to purchase

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I'm Mike Abendroth and this is my son.

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You got me.

I don't know if you remember that occurrence.

Church.

I regularly say you know what the people here at this church you're gonna really love them.

I think they're gonna be warm and friendly.

You're not gonna even think it's a typical New England Church.

And I'm just bragging about the church and praising God as he's working in our people.

And then I say, you know if you can put up with the pastor, I think you'll be fine.

So that's the way we roll there in Massachusetts.

And by the way, yeah, you have a family up there in Massachusetts.

Buzz.

You've got to get them to visit The Bible the Bethlehem Bible Church in West Boylston.

Yes, actually actually I was going to go visit the church when I was up there visiting.

But because of the family deals and all that stuff, we just never got around to going that far to church.

But that's a nice way to cover up.

You know since I was visiting the family I pretty much had to go with what they wanted to do.

But I I had suggested it and I was actually planning on dropping down to see you when I was up there.

Well next time make more.

Well, it's interesting when you talk about sexual sin and what to do about it.

You know, there's some that want to just lay back and let God or you see they just want some anointing our

second blessing.

Not that long ago.

I was in London and I visited John Owen and his tomb there.

I'm glad you clarified what you meant by that.

And.

Virgin's tomb and I just touched but I had

this desire to smoke a cigar.

Well, as long as you didn't do anything freaky like Benny Hinn and lie down on the corpse or.

By the way, if you watch Katherine Kuhlman an old video of her with her wife.

Yes, and then watch Benny Hinn with his white suit.

He has Verbiage for a cadence.

He is definitely a disciple of Katherine Kuhlman, by the way, do you know?

I don't know.

I hate to go off the topic here, but it'll be very brief.

Did you know that Benny Hinn's?

Nephew is a Reformed Baptist.

His name is Kosti in and He publicly repudiates the heresies of the word of

faith movement out of which he came.

He is now biblically sound and a on the pastoral board at this

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Well in the book I talked a little bit about a Bible verse a day keeps the sex in a way and

I was trying to develop the idea that you know, if somebody's struggling with sin, do we just give them a Bible

verse?

No, we should be much more compassionate than that.

And you know, here's the verse, you know, don't forget about that.

Rejoice always again.

I say rejoice.

Bible is

Vedification and that is why Paul says to the Colossians let this Word of God dwell in you

not just dwell in you.

But dwell in you.

So I began to study but the

writer is doing there in Proverbs.

He's saying listen.

It's a battle of the sexual

cunning woman.

The Potiphar's wife kind of woman.

She's not going to entice you with her figure.

I'm

gonna come at you with your words

and you're going to

make you follow her

to my words and if

I Illumination and other ways like that the Word of

God's rule.

Yes, it's not our own work or anything like that.

But

keep your father's

commandments verse

chapter 2 with

pornography

or

sexual

sin.

They're never in the word

their Word of God.

Well, by the way a Daniel in

San Jose, California.

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We have another Daniel also in California, but this time We have Daniel in

Bakersfield, California, and he says hello Chris.

My question for Mike is At what age do you think it is appropriate to talk to your

child about sexual fidelity with one's spouse?

The whole idea of talking to my children about sex scares me because I'm not sure if I'm exposing them to this topic too

early.

However, I want them to hear about it from me before the world tells them what to think.

I want them to have healthy godly sexual relationships with their spouses one

day.

Thanks.

I'm so glad Daniel.

You asked the question your free book.

You're gonna have to go to NoCo's website.

So I wrote a whole chapter about that topic and here's the thing.

With social media and with cam loans in everyone's pockets.

I remember my son saying back in junior high dad.

If somebody says look at this in school I had him at homeschool private school public school.

But if one of his buddies down the street says look at this.

He knew it was going to be pornography and so they learn at a very young age.

And I wanted to have an experience with my kids different than I had.

Learned about this topic from a kid down the street named Billy and we were just kind of, you know Locker room talk

type of thing.

It is one of those times that is so precious when I the dad sat down with the child.

We put the other kids in other rooms and stuff with my wife sitting right next to me.

To have what we call the talk and I wish I have four kids.

I wish I have more kids than that just because I wish I could do it again.

It's so precious to just walk through these truths.

In the safety of a home with mom and dad I would say most of things and my wife would

chime in and you know with my girls I would say and you know what if you have any other questions, you can always ask me but you probably ask

mom.

You know these other questions and so that's the only time I ever talked about what

happens.

Fidelity isn't a book on how to do it.

And one of the risks of writing such a book is people think I'm some kind of you know.

Has nothing to do with that.

Now I want to hear you German accent.

It's up to you the parents but when you're starting now's a good time.

It probably is just because of the hyper sexualized culture that we have and

It's something that you can sit down.

I kind of you know, I think you should use anatomical terms.

When you're there and what happens and the wife should chime in and you can talk about all

different things that you can.

I'll just leave it for the book, but you should be the one and you're the dad Daniel.

Yes, same first you both of them have the same first name.

Yeah.

Yes, you pray you talk about how God made bodies.

You're for fit together

this that and the other

in marriage.

It's not going to talk about this to brothers and sisters or anything like that.

You talk about it

from a bit.

I was embarrassed.

I mean, I I kind of got a red face.

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Although Maggie in Dallas, Texas has been listening to iron sharpens iron radio for quite a while and has been

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And the Maggie in Dallas, Texas Says I wonder if it's been addressed.

The sex is the one thing that God commands not to do.

Then commands to do.

It's very distinctive in that way, which in my opinion gleans greater rewards for obedience.

My question is is the marriage bed truly undefiled no matter what?

So long as the activity is between the two and they both consent that's something for you to

think about and pray about before you answer and We'll have your answer when we return from our

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in our guest today for the last 90 minutes in the next 28 minutes to come.

Is and will be Mike Abendroth we are discussing his book sexual fidelity no compromise

and we are running out of time.

So if you want to ask a question do it quickly by sending an email at Chris to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and before the break as you know, Mike we had a

listener from Dallas, Texas Maggie Who says.

I wonder if it's been addressed that sex is the one thing that God commands not to do then commands to do.

It's very distinctive in that way, which is in my opinion.

Which in my opinion gleans greater rewards for obedience.

My question is is the marriage bed truly Undefined or undefiled.

She said define undefined, but it might have been a typo there it might have been because it's undefined in the

sense that it doesn't have a full answer to her question.

No matter what so long as the activity is between the two and they both consent.

It's interesting Mike when I was doing my program out of New York on WNYG radio.

A man called it was a call -in show during those days a man called in and whispered that question

and then said God, my wife's coming and he hung up.

But.

If you could that's a very interesting question.

It comes up a lot.

Not necessarily on this show, but I've heard it come up a lot in discussion on the marriage

bed.

And I don't know if you will ever get a hundred percent agreement this side of glory on that question.

Yeah, well, thank you.

I will not define them for you.

And let the marriage bed

the Greek word is where we get the word coitus.

Be undefiled for God will judge the sexually immoral and Hebrews

3

It's also people advocate sex only for for reproduction

a deal with this verse.

This sexist play

matrimony and pulls together it gives.

That's what love does it wants to serve the other person?

I think that's the overall premarital counseling that I would get

turned about.

Everything will work out just you're gonna

run into problems and so just be

I'm trying to just be care subject in private think it's

inappropriate for radio and Someone wants then you just don't

Pleasing your spouse and not receiving then you're not going to force them to do things or Anything

like that you'll problems by the way of pornography.

With all the crazy things that go on on pornographic sites, and I don't know that to be true I'm just imagining

because God is at least haven't looked

since I've become a Christian, but Just simply enjoying your your spouse.

I think of Ecclesiastes 9 enjoy life with the wife whom you love all the days of

your vain life that he has given you under.

Simple pleasures of your wife and and if you're demanding things

They don't like to do or then there's

a disease and other issues like that.

I'm assuming.

And what I did want to say is yes, it's true Maggie the Bible forbids sexual activity and then

what have gotten these

witnesses.

We conjecture, but that's not a bad conjecture.

But this is something that now God commands to do if the couple's able and it's a wonderful thing.

So and please only after you leave the church building.

That's so one of the things that's.

We'll get married everybody would stand around outside the tent while the couple went in and

You know, I'm glad we don't do it that way.

That is a bizarre custom.

And I'm also glad we don't get baptized naked anymore and then get the white robe put on us to symbolize the righteous robes

of Christ, I think we could just talk about that picture where we don't have to actually do it.

And I'm assuming a couple of things about your answer to Maggie.

Mm. There are people who are involved in marital sex, but

even in the the involvement of thought of Other people

involved adulterous thought.

I'm assuming that would not be something acceptable before God and also risking

physical injury for those of who are involved in some of the darker areas of Sexual activity and I

think that some of those things you might want to examine your heart.

Shouldn't you as to why you would even find pleasure in some of those things?

Yeah, and again, this is difficult to talk about on the radio.

But if you know a couple's been married for 30 and 40 years and

all these kind of crazy things and new things and all.

That stuff my I think there's probably going to be issues with

In A marriage bed the full blessing of God

to enjoy one another and Obviously God has given you consciences.

He's given you minds.

And so if you're just working on trying to please the spouse and enjoy them just simple things even like

How do you in Ecclesiastes enjoy a meal?

You just think you know what if it's a great meal if it's a simple meal you just say thank you Lord.

What what a sweet and you sit down and you enjoy some fellowship.

It might be wonderful fellowship.

It might be You know fellowship that you wish with your entire day and

you just go.

Thank you for that.

It's a good fortifier.

It's of God and it's exactly what the world doesn't say.

Well, thank you, Maggie.

You've also won a free copy of sexual fidelity by our guest Mike Abendroth.

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About the program we have Rose in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

And Rose I have to enlarge her fonts because it's very microscopic

here.

Rose in Harrisburg says.

Hello, brother Mike.

I don't really have a question for you, but I did want to say that I really appreciate your no -compromise radio show on YouTube.

Your short pithy videos are a blessing.

Do more.

Thank you and God bless.

Well, that's Rose in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Thank you very much for that.

I'm sure Mike.

Thanks you even more than I do for that.

And we have Joe in

Slovenia a.

Recently heard a discussion critiquing the courtship model that was popularized a few decades ago

as a better Biblical alternative to the typical practice of dating along the lines of secular

forms.

While the critique recognized that within our overly sexualized society traditional dating creates

Many serious challenges to maintaining sexual purity.

The courtship model also creates too many unnecessary pressures.

Because it.

Front -loads the whole process with thoughts of is this person I'm interested in marrying partner

material in ways that are premature relative to the level and degree of Involvement between

young people.

The gist of the conversation was that Christian young people need to be affirmed and casual dating

Designed simply to promote their being together in wholesome environments to get to know one another

Without sexual temptations or premature pressures to evaluate the other as a

potential marriage partner.

Both of these errors were seen as unhelpful for maintaining sexual fidelity.

Please ask Mike to comment and advise us based on his study of Scripture.

Thanks so much for your vowel valuable ministry to us who listen daily.

That's Joe in Slovenia.

Joe I the book called dating courtship and romance and I basically said

call this time Dating things that people

call it.

But I just gave a few ground rules that I tried to do with my own Children, none of my children are married

16 or over and that the ground rules are simply number one.

No dating or courtship until your child's ready to get married.

I don't really think they need to get together all the time, you know as you know alone and

Hang out and there's more to be said but number two no dating or courting that circumvents my

the father's direct Involvement, I'm the leader and God has ordained that not because I'm better.

But my daughters have been taught that if a guy says I'd like to go out with you and if the answer is no.

Thank you.

Be nice to the guy it took courage for him to ask.

But if it's yes, I'd like to your next cut your next statement is me, but you'll have to ask my dad.

Well that kind of gets rid of about half the guys and then when guys usually Say I like to

say oh, you know, I like my daughter, too.

I'm glad you want to meet with her and tell me about your job.

Tell me about your health insurance and all that.

They're like, well, I don't have a job.

I'm thinking you want to date my daughter and you can't even afford her.

You can't afford a copay.

So that's the second one.

Ground rule three the couple's involvement and interaction should be done publicly not privately.

Number four when the couple knows they want to marry each other and the parents agree.

Don't have a long engagement and then ground rule five relax and trust to me

parent involvement dad needs to be involved.

You go back to the Old Testament and when the daughter lost her virginity.

To a married man.

What did Moses command?

You take that girl in front of his responsibility to guard the virginity of his

daughter and children.

So dad just need to be involved and I know I'm prone to laziness like every other man

women have there.

But for men it's late and he fell and

that's my problem is laziness.

I just need to be involved and I told my daughters to a lesser degree my son.

But I said to my daughters listen, we've we've helped you with everything in your life.

We want to have you school.

You go to the best church in the world with the best pastor in the world.

Because

sometimes your emotions gets in the way and that's why the church is important the church will help you to

yeah.

I have a dear friend who's an ordained minister from the Deep South and

I can remember every time He was informing me about a new potential

boyfriend for his daughter.

He would always end the the conversation with me in the same way he would say

Let that guy came sniffing around here wanting to date my daughter and I sat down

with him had a talk with him.

And he never came back again.

That was the way he always ended the set the conversation.

By the way, I have one Critique I brought this up even when I was interviewing a brother who wrote a

book promoting the courtship model as the only acceptable

godly a way to address the issue of Interaction with the those of the

opposite gender.

I would think that if you confine the interaction of young people

to courtship only with the intention of marrying I can't help but think that

this is going to involve people who are only thinking at least initially of

Outward beauty or outward handsomeness if you're talking about the girl because if you don't know anything about

somebody I mean, obviously if you haven't dated them and you've only seen them from afar On the other

side of the church or whatever.

It's gonna be hard to develop that kind of a lifelong commitment mentality.

With them you're just gonna be looking at that person and saying God has told me I want to that I am

to marry this girl because she is Strikingly beautiful.

I mean, that's what I'm am I off base here.

It seems like it would be at least the pitfall at least one of the pitfalls to that very

conservative approach to.

Interaction.

Yeah, Chris.

I think that's a good point.

I mean, here's my philosophy God says in a local church

Recognize the right kind of exact

details on how to Manage shepherd lead run a church.

You just need to have the right guys.

And so since there's no prescription in the Bible about what parents should do They're just a

discriminant and Samson saying go give me a wife, you know, that's biblical, but it's not a

Prescription.

So I just think if the parents are Christians and they're involved and they ask God for wisdom If they want to have

some kind of dating thing or quarter corking and they'd like to have Certain rules apply or they change

their rules or whatever.

It's up to the parents and I think there if it was my daughter I'd say let's figure out

a way you can get to know these at

ministry at church or other activities.

Before you just base hedge the two or I guess

I could just have him work for the father -in -law for seven years.

But he white might wake up with the cross -eyed.

And.

By the way, I think I forgot to tell Maggie since you're a first -time.

Questioner, not only did you win Mike Avendroff's book on sexual fidelity?

You also won a new New American Standard Bible compliments of the publishers of the

NASB.

So that will be in the package along with the book by Mike Avendroff.

And.

Joe from Slovenia, you've won our final copy of sexual fidelity.

A.

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We have Joe from Dublin, Ireland.

And Joe from Dublin, Ireland.

I also have to enlarge his email because it's microscopic and It says should we expect

fidelity in marriage in today's insane world?

The world is so messed up now with advertisements pushing kids to look sexy at such a young age and

they are starting to have sex.

When they are in their early teens, I don't think it will ever get back to at least talking about

abstinence until marriage again.

Thanks again and Oh, this is a different.

I'm sorry.

I said this was Joe Riley in Dublin, Ireland.

This is another Individual, this is John in Simsbury, Connecticut.

Thank you a John for your question and Sorry for confusing you with our listener in Dublin, Ireland.

Well, what is your comment to that?

Obviously we have to expect fidelity marriage no matter what's going on in the world, right?

Yeah, you know when people are saying well, you know, they're going to do it anyway, so give them condoms.

They're going to do it.

Anyway, so given this, you know HPV virus, you know anti -vaccine kind of thing

or at I don't think that's what we do.

And so when I just officiated a wedding of a young couple I want to say he was

30 and she was 24 ish and We were talking a little bit and I said, you know,

we're almost ready to have the kiss.

I said privately to the couple during the Marriage ceremony the first time I'll ever have kissed

her.

And so I said, can I tell that to the congregation?

Yes.

It was very sweet.

And when I'm in when I'm in premarital counseling and people say, you know what?

We're not date.

We're not touching each other.

We're not putting arms around each other.

We've never slept with the girl.

We're both virgins.

I almost want to cry in my office.

It's so sweet to hear them talk that way and it is wonderful.

And it when it doesn't happen people need to think

about it is let's say one's a virgin and they're marrying someone.

You know, they don't need to discuss it.

They don't need to know how many boyfriends the person had or girlfriends and the list goes on and on.

The person just needs to say listen.

I'm a big sinner and I didn't happen to sin with my body sexually, but I've sinned in every other way but God

sees me as clean and white through the Righteousness of Christ by imputation and I need to see

my wife.

I need to see my husband and from that area and so that

happens most often.

You know people when they get married.

They have a sexual history of sexual sin and it just needs to be forgiven and moved on.

Because you just don't need to have your mind running through all those and we have

Seth in Greensboro, North Carolina.

Who says pastor Abendroth.

As you are well aware the number of men in church watching porn is staggering even more.

Shocking is the admission of pastors who say they regularly view porn.

Me address this earlier.

How would you recommend addressing a much -needed yet delicate issue behind the pulpit with

women and smaller children in the audience.

Never forget the time when I was preaching through 1st Corinthians

chapter 1 and God's faithful and work through chapter 2 and got to 7.

And there was kind of a which I learned later a homeschool family there maybe home

full of sons a couple of daughters and I just thought in

not to have Relations with your spouse if you're married and able and here's what the Bible says

about it.

And a couple that are church now and they're a wonderful couple and he just said, you know what what's in the Bible?

I need to hear.

I don't need to hear it in a crass way or a vulgar way or some kind of shock jock kind of thing, but I just want to

know if it's in the Bible and With the way God speaks is

appropriate.

And these are the words, you know, we believe in verbal.

So I think that comes to pornography.

What does the Bible say about pornography, you know, it's not addressed so we have to think about a way to talk

about it.

So it kind of just goes over the heads of the young ones.

But everybody else gets it when I used to teach my kids the Bible I'd go chapter by chapter for in

Exodus or other books and they were two years old and 12 years old.

And if I said the way they would just ignore it.

They didn't know what it was.

And then one day my son raises hand.

He said daddy.

What's the process and I thought well I need to address

they don't need to know more than they do and necessary.

I said a prostitute's a woman who takes off all her clothes gets in bed with a man who's not Her husband and he gets

to do whatever he wants to her including touch her and my kids almost all wanted to throw up.

They thought I I think there's a way to talk

scripturally about that in a pulpit.

But then behind the scenes in the men's breakfast at the men's discipleship in the men's counseling sessions.

You can talk about it more frankly just about just like I would talk about.

I don't want to say in radio.

But I would say we have a listener also from Greensboro,

North Carolina a pastor Sterling Vander Worker of Shepherd's Fellowship of Greensboro,

North Carolina, and he just has a Commendation for you Chris.

Great show.

As a matter of fact pastor Abengroff is by far my favorite regular guest.

Straightforward and biblically founded positions and lessons.

He is the best.

That is quite a commendation now.

We have to pray for the sin of pride and pastor Abengroff's mind.

We have.

Let's see, we have an anonymous listener in New York who asks Is

it appropriate to have sexual fantasies about a woman that you are?

Engaged to to be married.

The answer is no it's to be married and the marriage is in

ten days and you're counting down the days.

For time spent with her having coffee having breakfast never having to say goodbye.

Spending time in the bedroom.

I don't think that's wrong.

But once you start taking the next step what this is going to be like and thinking about particular details

Then it's wrong because she's not yours yet.

And you don't her body's yours and and your body is

hers that mutual kind of Ownership and so you can't do that.

If if a man who's married is on a business trip, and he's thinking about his wife Reunion when he gets

home, that's legit because you're married.

It's about the spouse, but this woman's not your spouse, and I don't know what you do.

Maybe you go run a marathon or maybe you go back to church or something, but you ought not to be thinking that way.

And our last anonymous question from Maine the questioner asks

is it appropriate to have private Conversations with a member of the opposite sex who

happens to be your ex -wife.

I mean after all we have to discuss things regarding the children that we mutually have.

So where do we draw the line?

To secure purity in that kind of a relationship.

Yeah, okay fair question and what I would say is you just have to be transparent with your current wife and say obviously, you

know Honey, I have to talk to my ex about the kids and how to pick that when to pick them up and all that stuff.

You can always look at my phone my ex

-wife the best and I think that's going to be.

That's you just have to take the high road because she's not your wife anymore.

And this has nothing to do with divorce remarriage, you know biblical positions of of those topics.

But if she's not your wife and you just have to treat her like anyone else and I have to talk to ladies in my.

Life.

But it doesn't mean I can't talk to any lady.

It just has to be a measured cup.

Well, we have about 45 seconds for you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

Mike

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Even when it comes to the topic great.

Well, I want to make sure our listeners have your websites.

First of all, the Bethlehem Bible Church in West Boylston, Massachusetts website is

BBCchurch .org and as I've said every time I've read that website you have too many C's in there as far as

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Any other contact information you care to give pastor Mike.

If they want to go get a Kindle copy of sexual fidelity, you can get that on Amazon.

But if you want a heart as that one caller said if you go to

no compromise radio YouTube's there's probably 150 YouTube's people can watch about this subject much more

great.

Thank you so much for being our guest today pastor Mike Avendroth, I thank Reverend Buzz Taylor for being my co -host I

thank everybody who listened especially those who wrote questions.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior Than you

are a sinner.