Pastor Chuck O'Neal and Dr. Silvestro discuss Politics and the Pope

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Thank you pastor Chuck for being on as our guest tonight again So, you know the last couple times you've done you've done shows with you

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Anthony and Chuck are gonna be talking about politics if you're still undecided in who to vote for in America Yeah, then you're either really not paying attention.

You got your head in the sand. I don't know I'll put this out. I don't think that any Christian could vote for for Biden And I'm sure you guys are gonna make that case later

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I do for the record before these two get started Just if you listen to the Halloween episode now

I do want to lift up prayer folks for if you guys could be praying for Pastor Justin.

He had a death in the family and that's why he's not here tonight but I Will say if you listen to the episode that Anthony and Justin did

Well, they said they were gonna go for one hour one hour and and Anthony even started off the show

So he's said he's gonna do an Andrew Rappaport hour, which meant an hour and they went almost to okay, so I'm just saying that I should come in it in two hours to end this because Characters will go for about five hours and go.

Oh, is it time yet? Just saying they may go a little bit long tonight for the record

Anthony doesn't know how to keep time and Well, Chuck's a pastor so we know he doesn't

The yeah the Andrew our turn into an Anthony our So hold on for Anthony's I Just want everyone to recognize do you remember when you grew up in school and And you're going to school and your class just gets started and then that annoying announcer comes over Here and starts giving a name for like you're gonna you're gonna talk about the election, right?

Prepared for the election. I'm ready Wow Impressive you like that one.

So you don't know that Andrew moved from New Jersey. That's gonna comment on that right there Yes. Yeah, this is my ar -15.

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Very nice. So so on that Yeah, the show the show on Tuesday night was fantastic.

If you haven't listened to it go listen to it It really was good. Pastor Justin did a wonderful job with his research and but before we

Talk too much about anything else we do want to get into our topics for tonight because we got a lot to cover and We were gonna talk about politics we have the election coming up in not too many days from now and then we're gonna transition at some point to Roman Catholicism and and the dangers and evils of that and I know you know pastor

Chuck when I met you for the first time It was back. I would say three or four years ago in Dallas, Texas You had spoken at a at a

Jeff Rose conference there and you were given the task to speak on Roman Catholicism and You know, you don't have to convince me.

I grew up Roman Catholic It's it's something I understand all too well and We've got a number of family and friends that we have to constant that we constantly evangelize to regarding Catholicism Right.

Oh, I really enjoyed your your sermon that day Anyway, having said that the the knowledge base that you have the the the preparation you did.

I mean was just Phenomenal is one of the best overall sermons. That's a my wife and I either one of us had heard regarding Roman Catholicism So I'm really excited for you to be on today and and I know it's gonna spill over into at least one more show

At least one more show to speak about the evils of Catholicism So let's let's get into this tonight a little bit

We have a major election coming up and I know we said this four years ago, but Well, a lot has changed in four years.

Yes, I distinctly remember Obama, you know for those of us who understood politics four years ago

Because I think a lot of Christians have kind of left it by the wayside. They haven't really paid a lot of attention

Four years ago in this election. We knew what was coming down the pike Obama was the first president that that we have ever seen who actually used the term progressive.

He did this during his second term and And that's a term that's been an evil term, right? That's that's a term that the

Democrats have wanted to stay away from all along. They've had a Marxist agenda They've they've had this for a hundred years in in their

Within their party. It's been coming out leaking out slowly over time But there is there is an absolute outing of it

In Obama's in Obama's presidency, especially the second term We knew it what

Hillary was going to be bringing, you know She had a lot of baggage for a lot of other stuff on progressivism because she was using that term a lot as well

Trump comes in shocks that shocks the world wins a presidency and We have seen nothing but Marxism ramp up continuously, especially

Especially in the last two years and so I know this is something that you really wanted to talk about I mean, how do you view the

Democrat Party today versus what it was say 150 years ago? Well today it appears to be a front for Marxism They and they're they're removing the facade of any historic

Democratic Our Sense of what the party was historically that facade is falling away quickly and the the

Marxism that is beneath is coming out And that's really what I think we've seen in these years of the

Trump presidency is he didn't just go there and drain the swamp As far as career politicians, maybe even corrupt career politicians, but there's something else behind Them and that seems to be a flag with a hammer and a sickle on it

Absolutely so As the Democrat Party has changed.

I mean this is this is a real challenge for people today because from a political standpoint you know,

I grew up in a family of Italian immigrants my dad immigrant in this country and While my dad woke up to who the

Democrats were a lot of my family still hasn't Right, and we see this with a number of families that the

Democrats at least on the surface seem to be for hard -working families and for protections 50 60 70 80 years ago.

I Think looking back on history, it probably wasn't as true as they said it was

But that's the perception. And so how do people break out of this cycle because this is what

I'm seeing There's a number of Christians that have no problem voting for Biden There are evangelical leaders

The David Platt's of the world who are coming out and saying that that it's okay if you if you choose between a

Biden and a Trump. I don't know this at all Right. I don't understand it either.

I didn't understand it over 20 years ago when I first started pastoring Frankly, and it's only gotten gotten clearer in these last 20 years

One of the first statements I ever had to deal with as a pastor was a dear woman Who said

I'm for the little guy pastor, and that's how she described her position as a

Democrat and a Christian and I said But but sister if you're for the little guy, then you're for the unborn child and So even if it was true

Even if the Democrats claims to being for the working man and the common man If all that was true, and it was going to work out financially better It was going to work out better for health care and all that was true.

It would still Be an abominable Atrocity as far as the little man being the unborn child in the womb and the war that the

Democratic Party has long waged Even over 20 years ago, but now it's become the party of genocide

They they no longer Make any allusions to it They no longer allow even Democrats in their party who don't sign on to that platform of baby genocide

Yeah, it's a really what you're saying to to the listeners. Is that this has really come down to a one a one issue

Party right now, right? I mean these guys have have no doubt taken upon the the pro -killing in the womb position hardcore

Yes You saw really around the world when President Trump was elected

Women marched around the world and they they weren't marching for Feminism they were marching for abortion and and that really is what feminism has become is a human cry for Abortion not a cry for women's rights in the workplace or women's, you know opportunity to vote or something

But women's right a woman's right to have Illicit sex outside of marriage as a rule and then to murder the child in the womb instead of raise the child

And so how many babies have been aborted? Have been killed in the womb since Roe v.

Wade Right that we're well over 60 million at this point in our nation since Roe v.

Wade and globally since 1980 We're up to I think 1 .6 billion just since 1980

And so that this is the world's greatest Genocide the world's greatest evil

Not just in current history, but in history 1 .6 billion. I mean you're talking a world's population.

This is a significant fraction of what today's world population is Yes billion that alarm literally everybody that's listening right now

So pastor Chuck, why is it that that David Platt and others have no problem?

Telling people to vote for Biden or that it's okay to vote for Biden Well, it seems the leftist agenda has come into Christ Church and hijacked our moral values and suddenly, it's like we've gotten hit in the head with a

Bat and we no longer know up from down right from left good from evil

And so with this social justice Teaching this critical race theory

BLM type teaching We're distracted by the greatest evil mankind has ever known and we're focusing on evils that are wildly exaggerated for instance

Systemic racism, of course, there are instances of racism in America and in every nation whites hating blacks blacks hating whites

Asians hating blacks Asians hating whites whites hating Asians because we're sinners and we'll

Use any excuse to hate our fellow man and yet systemic racism is a lie

That's a fabrication, but it's a useful lie as far as for propagating Marxism and bringing in a new social order

I've often asked people who are proponents of Critical race theory and other components of Marxism.

I asked him just give me one law That's still in the books one law in America That is that shows systemic racism, right because people who don't know who haven't listened to our shows on BLM in the past systemic racism critical race theory and systemic racism say that that built within the fabric of society is racism a racism so so Indoctrinated into this country that that nobody can escape it that we are all victims within this

We're either we're either the ones causing it's the white man or or you're a victim in it but that it's woven through the fabric of society and Again, I put the challenge out there show me one law

I mean as far as I know the laws were all abolished back in the 1960s So it only leaves what you're saying here.

It's not laws that are causing problems. It's a problem of the hearts Center. Yes. Yes, absolutely.

Absolutely So We've gotten into some specifics with the

David Platt's and the whatnots the woke Evangelical world out there and we could talk about that that that we could do a whole show on those who are compromising with the social justice movement and that would be an excellent show or series of podcasts by all means

My heart tonight is is to talk to our brothers and sisters and one to encourage them

In their responsibility that God has given them as Christian citizens the

United States of America who've been gifted this incredible thing called the United States Constitution And be given the opportunity to to be part of this great government.

That's of the people I Want them to be able to vote with a clear conscience.

I want them to be able to vote confidently and To do so without shame

And so that's one of the goals tonight. The other goal is to bring together brothers and sisters Who are finding some division?

Because there are those that in my estimation are confused as to whether or not they can

Vote and that's a new phenomenon. I think and I think you you recognize that as well a new phenomenon in these last

Oh four five six years is that there are Christians who feel like they can no longer vote for a man unless that man is

Jesus Christ himself Unless he's fully God and fully man and unfallen without any sin or sin nature

They can't cast their vote for him and that's an extremism that is not healthy and not helpful

For the fulfillment of the two greatest commandments, which is where I'd like to start and read if you don't mind

Matthew 22 37 The Lord Jesus speaking He says you shall love the

Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul and with all your mind This is the first and great commandment and the second is like it

You shall love your neighbor as yourself on these two commandments hang all of the law and the prophets

And so everything I'm gonna say today and and generally speaking everything I try to say About politics flows from those commands because everything we do and everything we say is supposed to flow from those two commandments

They are the summation of righteousness the summation of the law, but in particular when we're talking politics

I think there's a direct line to this law of God that everything we do everything we support everything we vote for should be a reflection of our love of our

Lord and the love of our neighbor as Ourself and so that's that's my starting point.

I know it's your starting point. Yeah, I just wanted to state it tonight and then beneath that I Want to state that God is sovereign

Christ is King preaching. The gospel is our priority Voting matters and Then none of those statements nullifies the other so I see a lot of bullet points thrown out in the

Internet world and even just in conversation God is sovereign as if voting doesn't matter

Christ is King as if voting doesn't matter Preaching the gospel is our priority as if voting doesn't matter as if if you vote, you know

You took 30 minutes out of your life And you should have been sharing the gospel

What what I find interesting is that a lot of the a lot of the people sadly a lot of it comes from the abolitionists

They they will say that That they can't understand why we should why we should vote because God is sovereign, right?

God's gonna his leader in any way, but then why are you outside of abortion mills? Exactly, right.

I mean shouldn't it be the same excuse? Yes, God is sovereign and God has a means in his sovereignty that he works out his sovereign will with God is sovereign

But if I don't feed my children, they'll starve God is sovereign But if we don't preach the gospel, how are they here without a preacher?

And so the Lord has a means that he condescends to use in his sovereignty to bring about events including including the abolition of abortion

And so God is sovereign. Amen And in his sovereignty he uses men to bring about his will

Christ is King. Amen, and Christ will return and he'll rule and reign and right now he rules and reigns through you and I through every

Christian And ultimately he rules over all events. He's working all things according to the counsel of his will

Ephesians 1 11 So he is King. Amen, and as our King he would have us to love our neighbor as ourself and so when it comes to politics, we want to look at the issues at hand and figure out

What vote to cast based upon how is it going to affect our neighbors? How is it going to?

Bring about righteousness and how is it going to bring about prosperity and how is it going to bring about? What is so commonly spoken of human flourishing in the truest biblical sense?

And then preaching the Gospels are priority by all means by all means but most political issues pretty clearly come back to moral issues that flow directly from the law the moral law of God and So the law is a tutor to bring men to Christ to be justified by faith and when it comes to abortion

Of course, you shall not murder Exodus 2013 directly flowing from the law of God And so when we're talking politics, we're not just talking politics.

We're talking Bible. We're talking morality. We're talking God's law We're talking what will glorify

God and free us to glorify God free us to minister the gospel So that God his sovereignty might redeem all those for whom

Christ has died Amen, so let's back up for a moment Chuck Should every should every

Christian vote do they have a responsibility to vote? I firmly believe yes, every

Christian should vote Because again God has given us a unique system in which we live we have not just the right but the privilege and Responsibility to cast that vote for righteousness to cast that vote for the the love of God and the love of Neighbors, so just to sit it out is

Irresponsible. It's unloving to the Lord. It's unloving to our neighbor just to sit it out

It's apathy because this is the means by which God Uses in this country that we are placed in right?

Yes. Let's see This is means so so we should get out and vote based on on that Well, and I would say some of those argue

Christ is King and and that we're not under an earthly King And so we're not commanded. We're not required to vote

And what I would say is we're under Christ the King who says to love the Lord and love our neighbor

So we're required to exercise the freedom God has providentially given us and thus the responsibility

God has given us to vote to Actively love

God and love neighbor. I put out a bullet point. It's kind of an advertisement for our discussion tonight the second one was that loving

God doesn't exclude loving your wife as The greatest wife in the planet or loving your nation is the greatest nation on the planet

Or make one an idolater when they do and that's another common

Mistake I hear out there common position that it's erroneous To say that if you if you love your nation if you're a patriot

Anthony Then you're an idolater What is love of nation it's like the love of your wife

I love my wife because she's the greatest wife on the planet I love my nation and I could I could argue that point, but I won't

That'd be a true debate and we don't want to get ugly But I love my nation and I will argue that it's the greatest nation on the planet because in God's providence is the freest nation on the planet where we're free to serve the

Lord according to our conscience as Enlightened by the Word of God where we're free to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ see the shining sea and even in an unprecedented way around the globe because of our

American citizen and Citizenship and the influence of America We we have the ability to travel the globe with protections that extend well beyond our borders so that we might carry that gospel forth and and so There's no nation around the world that people are trying to break into like the

United States of America to get these freedoms to live according to their own conscience This is this is an unprecedented gift from God.

And so I say without apology It's a greatest nation on the planet. I am a patriot and that's not idolatry

It's recognizing God's gift and to not recognize that as foolishness and I would just counsel some of our brothers and sisters

They need to travel the world a little bit. They need to go over to Somalia. They need to go over to the

Middle East They need to go over to Africa. They need to go to Asia anywhere. I've traveled the world.

I've been to Europe I've been to Australia. I've been to Asia. I've been to the Middle East I've been to Africa and there was no place on the planet like the

United States of America where we have the freedom and the protections and the rights

That enable us to serve the Lord freely to raise our children up in the faith to propagate the faith to love

God and love neighbor actively without hindrance and so to take that for granted to belittle that To say that that's idolatry.

That's folly version on foolishness And I would just urge my brothers and sisters to rejoice in the gift that God has given them

And as a Marine, how did I travel the world? Well, I've traveled some as a Christian preaching the gospel But before that I traveled as a

Marine and I was preaching the gospel then as well But but traveling to these countries that are war -torn traveling to these countries

That don't enjoy the peace That we enjoy peace through superior firepower is a very real thing and it's part of what we

Enjoy here, and and I'm very thankful for those who served our nation before me for those who suffered and died

To provide these freedoms to protect these freedoms to maintain these freedoms I'm very thankful that God has been pleased to largely use

America as a force for good To propagate freedom to hold evil men in check around the globe.

Now, we don't always use the power that we have Effectively or responsibly depending upon who's in the

White House and who's leading the ship but overall the Lord has used America and even the

Marine Corps specifically as a as a force and readiness is the police force around the planet

And we're seeing today With the the Democratic Marxist uprising we're seeing the lawlessness is flowing from that worldview as they would burn the

Constitution And unleash their their BLM and Tifa Shock troops in our streets even as we saw in Philadelphia what yesterday day before That's the alternative that's the alternative we're we're seeing the demise of America come through the

Democratic Party and again the love of God and love of neighbor on so many levels

I stand against that as a patriot Loving God loving neighbor recognizing this incredible thing called

America that flows from the Constitution that God's good Providence gave us and so I value these things and I would teach others to value them as well

You know, I what it what amazes me when you talk about God's providence in us being in this country and us protecting what we have a lot of guys that have been very critical within the reform circles been critical about Facebook in in blocking stories in sometimes

Suspending their accounts, right and they're crying and whining about a company

Closing them out for a period of time But yet they argue against Christians going and voting

Yes Yes Again, it's folly verging on foolishness, you know voting doesn't matter and yet this hue and cry for these rights

Voting doesn't matter or voting does matter but you can't vote for these guys because they're both corrupt. Neither of them are perfect choices and so Just just sit it out and vote for someone who can't possibly win and what's the result of that evil will prevail?

So Let's talk about this a little bit because right now how many how many choices

I mean, let's be let's be real Let's be realistic in this how many choices do we actually have for presidents?

I mean the way the system is right now It's a two -party system, right people vote. It's a party system the

The only way somebody becomes elected president States is they have to have the backing of a party today

I mean even Trump who ran kind of as a pseudo -independence Had the R behind his name in order to be able to run and win that election four years ago not to mention many billions of dollars and a lot of popularity and people know who the guy was but But I mean in reality how many people can be elected this election?

There's four there's four candidates that that we know of right? We see Joe Biden. We see

Donald Trump we see Joe Jorgensen and we see Um Tom hofling, right?

So these are the four we see out here. How many of them can actually win this election? I only see two candidates

Because there are only two that can win So it's it's Joe Biden or President Donald Trump That's it.

Those are your choices and it's quite clear at this point and I speak with compassion For those that have been confused but only so much compassion because I love the

Lord and I love neighbor more than the individual Who at this point is if they're confused, they're suppressing truth and unrighteousness and by confused

I mean if they're still thinking that as a Christian they can vote for the Democrat whether it's the presidential candidate or Congress or the house or whatever it is quite clear at this point that the

Democratic Party is the party of Satan and I say that without equivocation without any kind of apology

The Democratic Party is the party of Satan Christians don't vote for the party of Satan false converts vote for the party of Satan apostates vote for the party of Satan Christ enemies vote for the party of Satan and and let's let's think about that.

It may have been less clear a few decades ago But now it's an obvious Irrefutable fact that a vote for the

Democratic candidate is a vote for Satan's anti Christ anti Bible anti gospel anti church anti marriage anti family anti unborn baby anti America anti Constitution anti Freedom Party and Sometimes we have seemingly big -hearted brothers that will come along and say, you know but there are

Christians who ignorantly vote for Democrats and I'm not that big hearted in the sense that I see that as Detrimental to those individuals that are suppressing truth and unrighteousness

It's not loving to play along with that rather We need to blow the whistle on that and say actually everyone at this point knows that the

Democratic Party is the party of baby genocide Everybody at this point knows the Democratic Party is the party of the radical homosexual agenda to pervert our children it's the party of child perversion

The party that would take away parental rights and has in the state of Oregon and other states where if your child

Identifies himself or herself as the opposite sex. The state will actually take your child if the child so wills

This is an underage child. Take your child and give your child a sex change against your will

That is Beyond evil and that's a Democratic Party That's as of what a week and a half ago

Joe Biden said I'm quoting from Al Mohler's recent article.

Let's see here Yeah, I mean as you're looking there's there's no doubt that here it is stand for is the opposite of what

Christ taught but go ahead Yeah Al Mohler writes on the issues such as transgender revolution

Which will shape the entire society Biden went so far in a recent town hall appearance that he said he would support

Transgender demands all the way to supporting transgender transition among eight and ten -year -old children

Quote there should be zero discrimination eight and ten -year -old children

This is beyond evil It is the party of Satan and Joe Biden is running to be the head of the party of Satan in the most powerful seat on the planet not just our nation

But on the planet the most influential position in the world as the United States as the president of the

United States of America, and so Christians need to stand up with with not a Not a hand wringing boy.

I'm just not sure what I should do. I'm gonna vote I suppose for President Trump is a lesser of two evils

But to vote with strength and clarity to as I've heard some say and I've read some writing they would crawl over glass a thousand miles to vote for President Trump at this point because the issues have become so clear the

Parties have become so distinct If you don't mind good,

I mean and there's no doubt I mean if anybody sits back and watches Trump for four years is is he a perfect person?

No, does he have a foul mouth at times? Yes, he does The list can go on in terms of his sins.

Of course, the list can go on for all of our sins today But having said that have we seen a president in our lifetime?

That has protected the Christian worldview as good as him or anywhere close No No, it's actually been astounding to the shock of everyone and I I referenced dr.

Mueller's article And let me say that dr. Mueller and I have not always seen eye -to -eye on issues

He and I have conversed directly at times over his support of the

Manhattan Declaration a compromise of the gospel with the Church of Rome over his support of the

LGBT agenda In in his Southern Baptist Association there

But and at this point he has departed from Pastor MacArthur and the Shepherds Conference is a division there because dr.

Mueller stood with Dr. Russell Moore and his woke social justice agenda traffic tragedy

There for dr. Mueller. I prayed and prayed and urged him and held his hand at that last

Shepherds Conference as I shook his hand I didn't let go and urged him to stand resolute

But a necessary split resulted all that to say Even though dr.

Mueller has has cited it would seem with the woke crowd in the evangelical world

He wrote this article on October 26. Just a few days ago and It it opens up a bit weak, but it finishes pretty strong.

He says this by 2016 the Democratic Party had eliminated all meaningful opposition to Unconditional abortion rights and demanded the taxpayers be coerced into paying for abortion the

Republican Party defined abortion as the killing of unborn human being and Called for an affirmation of the sanctity of human life

So he he draws a a clear distinction between the parties one went far left toward rampant baby murder and genocide and one

Recognized and celebrated the life of the unborn and sought to limit limit abortion now not a full abolitionist position but a

Recognition of the humanity of the unborn child and limitations therefore put on abortion now

I would say that that our rulers Writing is understated there as far as the differences, but he goes on to say

I didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2016 and most of you will remember that. Dr.

Mueller was an outspoken never Trump or like so many were He continues repulsed by his character and unable to see him as a conservative.

I voted for neither party candidate I made a symbolic vote. I had to hope that Hillary Clinton would not be elected president

But it seemed almost determined as we now know It was not having argued loudly for the resignation of President Bill Clinton on a national television

On national television many times in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky affair

I felt that I could not vote for Donald Trump without hypocrisy I even went so far as to say that if I voted for Donald Trump, I would have to apologize to Bill Clinton Well, I am voting for Donald Trump in 2020 says dr.

Mueller and I make no apology to Bill Clinton now hear this. This is good. He says I do

Apologize but my apology is for making a dumb Statement that did not stand the test of time and I say kudos to dr

Mueller for owning a dumb statement. May we all follow that example? We all are capable of making them and the never

Trump position Was ultimately a bad bad position and many statements made out of that position out of that conviction

We're frankly just dumb and I appreciate his humility and recognizing that he goes on to say

I'm not about to apologize to Bill Clinton who stands guilty of having desecrated the presidency by his gross sexual immorality

While still in office, I still believe in the necessity of character for public office But I've had to think more deeply about how character is evaluated in a his in a historic context

Bear with me a little longer here. He goes on when it came to Donald Trump in 2016 I made note of his pro -life promises

Especially with reference to the federal courts culminated in the Supreme Court as a conservative

Christian I have lived through decades of frustration and heartbreak as the nation's highest court transformed itself into a super Legislature inventing newly declared rights at the expense of human dignity and ordered

Liberty But I doubted that Donald Trump meant to fulfill his promises. I was wrong

He says as I told the New Yorker in an article that was just published Quote, he actually did what he said he'd do adding.

It's the oddest thing Now that was my argument and I think your argument as well

Anthony was that look Hillary Clinton has sworn to protect abortion quote rights up to birth and beyond She's the first presidential candidate to ever ever stand up in the light of day

She did it in the middle of a debate and say that she supports partial birth the atrocity the horror of partial birth

Abortion and So we knew she was telling the truth now Donald Trump said I once was pro -abortion now.

I'm pro -life I've had a change of heart and a change of mind and I'm gonna stand as a pro -life president upon those

Convictions we didn't know for certain that he was telling the truth, but we did know Hillary was and so the choice was clear.

There was no question He goes on He goes on after saying

I was wrong It's the oddest thing the candidate who had been pro -abortion became pro -life

I have no means of reading Donald Trump's heart on this is issue But I can easily evaluate his actions in terms of presidential action

Donald Trump has been the most effective and consequential pro -life president of the modern age furthermore in both executive actions and court appointments

President Trump has gone far beyond what would have been politically necessary to secure his base

He has staked his place in history and has defied the accommodationist temptation and has given pro -life

Americans more than any other President in April. I said in public what was implicit in my commentary and action since January 2017

I would vote for Donald Trump in 2020 and I already have I appreciate

Dr. Mueller coming out and boldly saying I've already have I've done it and doing so without apology

I sincerely hope that Donald Trump and not Joe Biden will be elected president of the United States on November 3rd, and then he looks at the flip side

Just consider the fact that Biden a Biden Harris administration would be by any honest account the most pro -abortion political force in American history and That's a fact

The lines are drawn. It is black and white. It's not obscure It's not a question and Everyone knows it unless they're living under a rock and so we can't have this big -hearted idea that we can lend

Seeming grace to professing Christians who want to vote for Joe Biden because of their personal views or their

BLM views or their Social justice confusion

The Word of God doesn't allow for that kind of confusion. You shall not murder Cuts right through it.

Love your neighbor as yourself cuts right Through it and we can't participate as Christians in the most horrific genocide in the history of the world 60 million plus Americans murdered since Roe vs.

Wade and Counting Yep, that's right You know

And I remember doing shows on this and and I was one of the lone people out there doing this four years ago in the summer before before Wayne Grudem came out before John McArthur came out we talked about this the other night and I got hammered by some people

Yeah, well those guys came in but one of the biggest arguments I made was in regards to the protection of the

Christian worldview And why did I think that because we go back to the First Amendment? You talk about being a patriot

I don't know of any bigger Patriot on a national scene right now than just then Donald Trump And he's ready for years

And if you say you're gonna protect the First Amendment if we're gonna protect Constitution You're protecting the

First Amendment which gives religious freedom freedom the press freedom of lots of good stuff all of which protects the

Christian worldview and and so to me I I Take that as my as I as my main frame

It's because you you brought up a lot of things here We as Christians have an ability to operate quite freely in this country why because the

Constitution of this country that God is sovereign and gave this country to us and providentially put us here to be able to preach his gospel

We also see that he's made this country a very wealthy country enabling us to have the means

Yes, go out and preach the gospel within this country and throughout the world This is this is astounding.

What what God has given us here. What a gift and it's not an accident. It's in Providence Providence right?

That's right. It's Providence And so we have that and so in understanding that part of it being a patriot and protecting the

Constitution I was convinced that Trump was going to be somebody to protect the Constitution in the court system as well

Yes, and and we made the argument what what happens if he has the ability because we are estimating one to two

Supreme Court justices Would become vacant during his first four years. Yes.

Yeah, and that he'd be able to fill him Little did we know that we were gonna get a gift Yes, there's three and look

I don't wish anybody to be dead No, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is one of the most vile evil people on this planet was one of the most vile evil people in any

Court ever in this country with her with her Radical positions.

She was a Marxist before Marxism was cool She was it was a baby killer before a lot of people understood what baby killing was in the womb

She was there from the very beginning and all of this stuff And so the fact is that Trump got to got to replace one -third of the

Supreme Court justices What's heard of them and and there are three of the four most conservative justices we have on the

Supreme Court Not only did he do that We have over 300 federal judges that are conservative that he put in through your courts around the country

Phenomenal in terms of what he has done In fact, he may have even changed the court more than we know because we know

Justice Roberts who was appointed by George W Bush and made you know the chief

Okay, because for political reasons he didn't want to have to go to the Senate to get another confirmation on Clarence Thomas But here's the really interesting thing with that Justice Roberts seems to always want to go with the majority and as the chief justice

It means he gets to write the majority view and he gets to put that out there and he's he's the one that's writing that however

Now if it's a 5 -4 vote Conservative it is

Clarence Thomas who will be writing the majority opinion There is thought that you because when

Clarence Thomas writes the majority even when he writes the minority It's so clear and definitive that there's there's

Issues there for the for the liberals that have problems if he's now writing the the majority

He's he's gonna be able to have a lot more say there is thought that Justice Roberts may actually go with the majority just so he can write the majority opinion

So we may end up with a 6 -3 vote Because of this which is a crazy way to think maybe but I'll tell you what

I don't trust John Roberts and what he has Done this year through this kovat stuff and some of the rulings he's put forward.

They've all been against the Christian worldview. They've all been Against America. I I don't trust him either

But I do trust human nature in the sense that no one lives in a vacuum that iron sharpens iron do not be deceived evil company corrupts good character, but but also conservative company

We tend to get blown by the wind that's around us and there's a conservative wind blowing through the court

And my prayer is that Amy Coney Barrett who is not a Christian, but she gets her biblical worldview

From obviously the Bible she gets her morality from the scriptures On many many issues as a

Roman Catholic And so my my hope and prayer is the Lord will be pleased to use Yes, even a

Roman Catholic But use her to bring a more conservative wind there

And if anyone in our culture has a voice today, it is a woman as Miss Ginsberg made quite a

Good use of my prayer is that for righteousness? for truth for the

Constitution for the defense of our nation that Amy Coney Barrett will will labor effectively to that end and Influence some of these men that have really been weak

As justices and and also I want to say in defense of President Trump's appointments They've not always proven to be as conservative as we'd like even in some recent decisions

But President Trump listened to the experts around him Who assured him these were conservative men men who would stand for the

Constitution men that would stand for? It as it was written and not rewrite it the original intent and men that were

Pro -life and it would stand up for the unborn and that thus far has not Proven to be as clear as we'd like and again,

I pray that with some time here There'll be a revival of soul and beyond that I pray for their repentance and saving faith and that the

Bible will truly be written upon their heart and The law of the Lord will become manifest in the laws that they support

But one further thing final thing I would say about Supreme Court is we have Justice Stephen Breyer who is 82 years of age

We have we have some real expectation that that he could end up being replaced as well in these next four years and so that would be a tremendous

Wouldn't that be unbelievable? For yes, well, I'll tell you what I'm I kind of think, you know, all the

Democrats now that Are now claiming that well population has grown. We should add more justices.

I said this on Facebook I really think that Trump should just come out publicly and say he he agrees with the

Democrats He supports that and he's gonna add five more justices watch them explode

Yes, they would freak out and he's going from agreeing with you you said we should add more

I want to add more now Yes, right. That's what you should do right after he's sworn in And then pull back and not actually do it but uh, right

He should he should announce it now so that they have to like so that they're on record saying no

That would be a bad thing. Oh Brilliant yes So Andrew before you go anywhere,

I this is a good natural breaking spot. I'd like to bring Nick I'd like to bring Nick it ask his question to you guys

Regarding what he was reading. So I'm gonna have him in for just a moment. They're gonna get right back to politics Because it's an apologetics show

We we never want to to stop some masses That is the purpose of the show is to have people come in and ask questions

It is So so Nick well the show and I understand well, you know

Luke Wayne who's one of the main writers for Matt Slick's karm Yeah, and and I think you've got a question for either pastor

Chuck or myself for all of us. Yeah. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay, perfect So yeah, we can okay perfect.

So as I was reading just through my typical study on my lunch breaks at work I Said that the men of Babylon made these nations right like the

Abbott's Nehubbaz Tatarach the Sarovites and all these people basically

Worshipping those gods of Babylon, so they're burning their children and all this other stuff but then it also talked about that they feared the

Lord and Also served these other false gods And then it goes through how it says that they do this still to this day

However, the Lord made a covenant and told them you shall fear no of their gods and so forth and as you go through the text right at the end

Again, it concludes with saying that these nations feared the Lord and also revered the carved images

The children did likewise the children's children's and so forth. Um, so I guess my question was And maybe

I'm not understanding the text. But how is it that they were also fearing the

Lord, right? And also doing these detestable abominable things right that God would have horror

Because I guess I'm just looking at it Through the lens of 1st John where it says if we walk in Darkness and say that right we know the

Lord that we're a liar. The truth is not in us So that's kind of my question. Does that make sense? Yeah, and the the text is 2nd

Kings 17 30 to 41 Looking at it now and I'm trying, you know,

I don't know that I have a ready answer Without doing a little bit of research. I don't know if Chuck see him digging into his

Bible there You know, so so part of the things

I don't want to give an answer that I haven't researched and and this is son I haven't studied before Yeah, that's a very specific question a good question rather very specific one

Off -the -cuff like Andrew not not having studied freshly through 2nd

Kings 17 30 to 41 I can't say dogmatically

But what it would seem is if and you're right about 1st John, of course in its application to individuals

So an individual can't be both honoring worshipping loving the Lord and Holiness and be committing these abominations

Worshipping idols and so forth simultaneously, but a nation is made up of many Individuals and so it would seem off -the -cuff here that that may be a good explanation of it where you have like in America You have idolaters you have rabid baby murderers you have this this homosexual movement that is

Rejecting even what God created them to be as male and female And then you also have praise

God genuine Christians who love the Lord and love righteousness And so you could make a similar statement about America today right now

There there's a revival of reformed solid biblical faith And men and women who are seemingly willing to die for and there's also a revival of Open Satanism where when you go out and preach the true gospel people are responding with hail

Satan So you in a nation you can have both going on Simultaneously, and so that might be with again without digging into it specifically that yeah

I was thinking a similar thing and I'm just backing up You know through the whole chapter here and seeing that this whole chapter is dealing with the

Assyrians Because of the the idolatry of the northern tribes of Israel the

Assyrians came in The one of the things with the Assyrians that is is different is they came in to a land and Because they didn't want people speaking the same language having the same community to be able to rise up against Assyria they would pick people up and move them all over their

Empire And in doing so it it broke up some of the commonality and people had to learn to get along with with their new neighbors

So one of the effects of that was Israel was displaced all over the

Assyrian Empire and they there were those within Israel that would still be fearing

God so I think at a Cursory view without having done study, so I'm prefacing it that way

I think The first view is similar that I'd have is similar to Chuck's Looking at the context.

I'm seeing that this is These nation, you know Israel along with these other nations were displaced and and moved around So you have the nations as you read in verse 41

So the nation's feared the Lord and also served their carbon images It seems that it's speaking of all these these new areas where people were there would be called the nation

You know, they'd have the nation that was Israel even though they just moved in Babylonians and and all these others that that were mentioned there

It would still be called the nation of Israel now There were some that would worship and fear God and some who wouldn't so I guess that would be without doing further study

The best of an answer I could give That's actually kind of where I was leaning towards even before I'm gone today and so Okay, you guys both say that So not to contradict myself

Or Andrew and I probably should just shut up Having taken just a few moments to read through the text

But it would seem that this is a perverted fear as now I'm able to read the text in its entirety

So like in verse 32, so they feared the Lord and then and then from every class

They appointed for themselves priests of the high places who sacrificed them in the shrine to the high places which God of course it forbidden

Verse 33 they feared the Lord yet. They served their own gods. And so it's a perverted

Fear, I would say kind of like what we see with Christians who claim or professing

Christians who claim to fear the Lord But are voting for Joe Biden today and tomorrow the next day

Contrary to everything God has commanded. So they claim to fear God and yet they're supporting everything God that Condemns, so it's more of a claim.

It's a perverted fear. Maybe it's a fear amongst The gods and they fear

God like a God amongst gods as they continue to serve These idols because verse 34 to this day.

They continue practicing the former rituals They do not fear the Lord and so that's the reality and then verse 35

You shall not fear other gods nor bow down to them nor serve them and sacrifice them So what they claim to fear

God But it was a perverted fear and They continued to fear other gods and they get rebuked forward and told to cease that and then verse 39

But the Lord your God you shall fear and he will deliver you from the hand of all

Your enemies and so that's the final word on it. So that's the real fear of God That doesn't involve fearing other gods nor bowing down to them nor serving them

But fearing the one true God alone, which kind of takes us to the Reformation sola

Fide, you know faith alone Christ alone solus Christus We fear him alone.

We have faith in him alone, and if it's not alone Then then you're an idolater

If it's not alone Then you're engaging in some form of works righteousness.

And so we must fear God Alone and not these other gods

Just add to looking up what MacArthur says on it Interesting on in verse 33 where it says serve their own gods.

He references the fact that the Samaritans religion you know basically was one that would

Bring in and combined all the elements of worship of the practices of the other gods around them

Including the Syrian settlers that were there and so I guess he would he would say that yes

There's those that are worshiping but part of their religion is the worship of the true God But we'll pull in worship of calves will pull in the

Syrian worship. Whatever whatever we need to pull in Let's go to Mount Sinai in our minds

We will be going there, you know those that are going to Israel soon Well when the

Israelites first arrived Moses goes up in the mountain They hear the voice of God and they say ah, we're gonna die you go.

We don't want to hear us We die so you go on our behalf then when Moses is up on the mountain They make a calf and they worship the calf as God So they feared

God and yet they worshipped an idol at the foot of the mountain while Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments Which includes you should not worship idols.

And so that's the kind of fear of God. We're seeing here in 17 it's it's not a genuine

Self -effect fear. It's a fear mixed in with idolatry Yeah, I can see that and I actually liked how you

I mean it kind of fits into the conversation tonight, right the whole even how the

Christian Church, there's a lot of Just fallacies going on bending to the cultural

Your size is relevant, but also wanting them to hold their cake and eat it too, so to speak, right?

Yeah, no that thing that was very helpful. I'm glad that I could answer it and I do have one question though and in regards to When you first opened up this show about the the left being the party of genocide

And I agree with that completely like it's it's blatantly obvious to me Especially as I look at history and I look at other communist countries like that's what follows, right?

Right, they single out a majority in this case. It's started with babies, but I I'm encouraged that you guys are talking about this tonight because I think that's something that Christians should be think about Should be thinking about if they were going to vote for Biden.

Let's say or they're thinking about it. They're on the fence Just imagine what would happen if he got in power and they're a party of genocide and they've made that very clear and We see with BLM and Antifa and other groups

They're targeting the church, right? Because Marxism is all about anti God I've been learning about that over the past couple months

And so who would be the next item or not item, but the next candidate for genocide, right?

It would be those who oppose Them so really it would be the church at that point

Because we're struggling with the issue of should we vote or not vote because we can't vote for this guy

But after getting advice from our pastor, he just told us to really look at the platforms

Not the characters and so forth and that's something that we realize like are we going to give up our freedom as Christians?

and possibly end up as a target of violence just for you know being

Christians or You know, or do we not vote and then when that does happen

God forbid Then we feel the remorse of that and have to deal with that. So that's that's weighing heavy so I guess my question would be how long do you think that would be before that took place if Biden got into office just given the escalation of things

Probably really quick. I mean they're doing their best now to intimidate churches and intimidate

Christians But you brought up something. I want to make sure we were very clear about this you brought up the idea of free

Christians and freedom and there has there has been a Strawman argument flowing around by some

Christians and saying that that's we idolize freedom That's not true

Pastor Chuck and I and Andrew and others are not saying here sitting here saying that we idolize freedom

What we're saying is that we appreciate the freedom that God has providentially given us by providentially putting this into this country

That is free for us to be able to preach the gospel Because we have a whole lot more freedom here to do that than if we were in China or Saudi Arabia or other areas

And so it's I want to make sure that was really clear for everybody listening in terms of what freedom is

As far as you know, let pastor Chuck or Andrew answer this as well It's it is clear there's been an assault on Christianity there's an assault on the one true

God of This world there's an assault on the moral law. There's assault on on everything we stand for as Christians Because as you said

Marxism is anti God Karl Marx was anti the Christian God And so yeah, of course, this is an attack and and you see it escalating now the moment a

Democrat gets in It's gonna happen at some point here. I it's not gonna happen I don't believe it's gonna happen next week, but the moment it does happen.

It's gonna change the face of America quickly You know, there's some riots going on this week in in Philly Because that's how peaceful they do things

One of the results is they burned a church Vietnamese Church down to the ground If you listen to what they're chanting when they're marching on these streets

They're chanting against Christians against Christ Even though the the

Black Lives Matter have changed their goals. I understand. I haven't gone to their website again They've removed the things we were criticizing about the fact that they are

They want everything that is furthering the destruction of the black family and the black community, right?

Yeah, well they want that They're they want to do we want

Structure they want an end to the nuclear family And and this has been hurting them because there's a lot of blacks who are going

That's what's causing the problems Right, and so there's way too many that are waking up and starting to realize that Black Lives Matter is not for black lives it's for it's for Marxism and One of the things you end up seeing though is the thing that they need to do is eliminate the church

That's the thing So I posted the article about this church being burned down and said if you want to vote for Biden Your church is next because this is where it's gonna go.

You just look at history This you know when socialists come in they don't get along with the church

The church is the first enemy they target Because why because we'd stand up and say there's an absolute truth and there's something that counts more than this world

BLM is fundamentally anti Christ even before it's Marxist It's anti Christ and every moral issue it supposedly stands for it's actually immoral

But but they're all anti Christ issues every single one of them including their

Marxism And and so it's an enemy to Christ Therefore we are an enemy to it because we love

Christ and because we love People and when you when you see pastors at BLM rallies

It's just mind -boggling here in Portland that one of the largest churches in Portland is just up the street from us Interrupt you there

Chuck In the club commander because he's obviously reading a great book. I could see from the back of the book.

He's reading a great book There what do they believe? He's he's preparing for your talk on Roman Catholicism.

I just Available, it's thriving fraternity org Everybody knows a secret how you get into commercial break camera is is just hold up Andrews book

Beeline to bring you on so you fast -track now. I know what I'll do next time You'd have been on much earlier

Andrews books Yeah, it's it's

Astonishing that we have pastors actually showing up at BLM rally Supporting it and then putting their pictures up on their social media

Proudly at the BLM rally while BLM rioters are in the streets saying blank you

Jesus That's their chant. Yeah, so would it be like an over because I'm pretty blunt and I'm one of the guys that's like pull your head out of the sand.

It's not all roses and rainbows, right? but this is something that my wife kind of cautions me on because I feel like I can be a little too harsh well, she feels that I can be too harsh, but Example with what you just brought up like my mind immediately

Because at this point I feel especially as a pastor. You can't be ignorant of what they're about I did makes no sense to me.

Well for others. Well, no point that Just say that I mean

Through this God's just exposing who the Wolves truly are and like who the apostates are and it's kind of weeding out the church

That's how I feel about it. Yeah, so angry keep in mind that with any of these socialist groups

They always come up with a slogan that sounds good So people can't argue against it because if you say you disagree if black lives matter the organization

Oh, you want blacks to be dead? No, there's two totally different things

The fact that black lives matter the organization doesn't care about black lives Because they're still supporting the the one biggest killer of black lives abortion

Okay, so they're they're not complaining about not being killed during black lives matter

Yeah, they passionately support abortion, correct? so So the thing is is that when you when you look at this they're gonna have a slogan that sounds so good

So you either have pastors that don't care? They just want they want to be liked by their culture or they lack so much discernment that they don't understand the difference between the slogan and the organization

But the reality is what you do is just tell people go look at Venezuela. That's not that long ago

Venezuela you know under the Clinton years and even the

Bush years was a thriving economy. And where is it now? Within 20 years.

They they don't have electricity It's it's turned off it. Well, you know much of the day they're begging for food.

They're fighting on the streets for food My prediction is these very people that are that are protesting for black lives matter today in 10 years

We'll be fighting on the streets for bread Because that's what socialism brings

And and to someone's point in the comments that made a point that said their prediction is that you know

Trump wins the riots are gonna continue. That's probably true but we don't sit there and say we're not gonna vote for for a good candidate because we're afraid of the riots because the

Reality is you have the choice between someone who's gonna fight against This critical race theory, which

Trump has shown he's doing he's he's making it, you know, he's getting rid of it in all federal government

Can you do enough in four more years? No It's gonna it's taken a long time to get

America turned on this path is you're not gonna change it in eight years And unfortunately

Trump is not like Trump is more has legislated more conservatively than Reagan But what

Reagan did better was Reagan raised up a generation of conservatives He taught what conservatism is and that's what

Trump fails to do. So will there be more protests? Yeah there will be but I would rather have someone who's gonna put a stop to the protests and Fight against them and fight for liberty and and freedom rather than give in and vote for some third candidate

Who's never gonna win? Just so that you can have Biden say well we won't riot we're just gonna hand the country over to them

That's right. So Nicholas, thank you for coming on today and let's get you back on again soon

Because some of these topics would be wonderful for us to go over more In light of when the election happens and when

I do believe Trump's gonna win big And we're gonna see all kinds of protests and marchers in the streets

This is gonna bring up a whole new topic of discussion in terms of how churches

Pastors and Christians need to respond to it. So thank you for for coming on asking those questions

Yeah, thanks for having me on and yeah, definitely if you start talking those topics, I would love to chime in.

So, all right We'll do that. Thank you. Yeah So pastor

Chuck so, you know, I I don't want to lose a lot of time because we

The two -hour now now again, I I'm not worried about doing

Andrews two hours if we do in Anthony two hours, I'm completely fine

Anthony doesn't know how to tell time Really it should be it should be your time ten o 'clock not our time.

There you go We were asking for so, okay

So so we we left off in a spot asking I asked you a question Can a

Christian vote for Biden and unequivocally you said no cannot happen. I agree with you

I I would hope that based on our dialogue at this point That's a that everybody would would say the same thing right now that's listening

But now we get to a little harder of a question. I don't think it's hard a question, but some people do

What about voting for Tom Hoefling Who is a third -party candidate who seems to be

I mean look nobody knows who he is Right. I mean a couple will say they know him.

Yeah, but the reality is is he Yeah, cover vote for Tom Hoefling is a vote for Biden.

Yes Well, we could talk about that In a minute here But the reality is is

Tom Hoefling his his wife's a Mormon. He covered it up four years ago He deleted her entire

Facebook account It anybody can go check this out. Sienna Hoefling go see her her

Facebook just reopened again not too long ago all that all that history is gone and it took prodding and Poking of Tom Hoefling before he would come out and finally admit this to us just a couple of months ago

He called a number of us liar He slandered a number of a number of brothers trying to defend his

His background and the fact that he doesn't he's like most abolitionists. He doesn't go to church.

He Won't he doesn't go to church he won't say which house church he belongs to won't say who his pastor is if you even have one like this is not exactly the

The the upfront Christian candidate that everyone's speaking about to be having said all that Having said all that Tom does seem to be running on a platform

Again, I can only go by what I'm reading because nobody seems to really know him He says he's abolitionist

He says he's he's a patriot says he believes in the Constitution I mean, he seems to be in line with a lot of the things we're talking about here so let me

I'm gonna hit a couple things before truck drums in but First off he's being he's being touted as as the

Christian candidate However, we've seen on this show Huh?

Yeah strong Christian can't But we've seen on this show how he treats Christians if you're not voting for him

He'll slander you lie about you and run away. He acts like every other politician and here's the simple question

Let's compare his record. What is he actually done to put an end to abortion because we know Trump has put people into the

Supreme Court strong Pro -life people he's calling it murder. I don't know any other president that I've ever heard call abortion murder

And he did that where at the March for life. Also the first president ever to do that And many pro -life leaders got mad at him, correct

So he referenced the mother being guilty of murder, correct true

Yep, and and so this is the thing it's like, you know, they're trying to say well Trump's not really pro -life

He's done more than any other president. So if you voted for Bush or Reagan or or the other

Bush, you know because of the issue of abortion Trump is more

Conservative than any of them on this area. So You know, I'm sorry, but you don't have you know, there's there's no case to be made that Tom is

Gonna be stronger than Trump already has proven himself to be. That's right

Yeah, no, thank you for Andrew. So so now Chuck What about the people say vote for Tom?

Hopefully because a lot of people say this they say they can't vote against their conscience and they feel that Trump is orange man

Bad, so yeah Trump so first not in any way to Pick a fight with mr.

Hoefling I'm sure he's a nice man However, I I really don't believe that he's a

Christian man. He adamantly Defends his wife being both a

Mormon After much work to get him to admit that she's a Mormon, but now that he's admitted that she's a

Mormon He defends her being both a Mormon and a Christian in the genuine sense of Christian he was was very

Reticent to define his Christian faith and only with great help from others.

Was he able to articulate a A Basic gospel stand and so when when you can't clearly

Stand upon the clear gospel when you can't clearly apply it to others then

I'm not confident that you truly know Christ as your Lord and Savior and And so I'm not the judge.

He'll stand before God and I don't want him to stand judged. I want him to come beneath Christ is

Lord and to be genuinely saved But when you're saying that my wife is a Mormon and I know she's a

Christian Then I don't know that you're a Christian and that's not judgmental That's a right judgment based on the fact that if you believe the gospel of Jesus Christ Then you cannot say my wife is a

Mormon and a Christian That's just not possible that's like saying my wife is

Japanese But she's also African American Now unless she's a mix of the two, but but that's the problem is you can't well, maybe

Racially all descendants of Adam mind you're not taking anything from that. You might be a mix of Japanese and African American National yeah

Yeah Ethnically Genetically, but but spiritually speaking there is no mix possible

It's not possible You're either for Christ or you're against Christ.

There's nothing in between there You're either 100 % soulless

Christus or you're out side of Christ on the broad path that leads to destruction and the

Christ of Mormonism is the the Spirit brother of Lucifer That's not the

Christ of Scripture That's not the Christ who is fully and eternally God the second person to the Trinity You took upon the additional nature of mankind came in the likeness of sinners

Suffered and died and rose again sitting at the right hand of the father's the one mediator between God and men the man

Christ Jesus and so if you have peace with Mormonism and it's false Christ and it's false gospel of works

Then I have no peace with you as a brother And so that's a very serious issue for someone who claims to be the strong Christian candidate and has other

Christians real Christians believing that he's the strong Christian candidate Therefore they're going to vote for him

So I do take issue with that out of love for Tom and his wife and those supporting him but above all love for the

Lord and the true gospel, but then after that on on the practical matter of What I vote for him should anyone vote for him?

Let's say he was a strong Christian candidate He has no path to the White House. Let's say he is that the best pro -life 100 % abolitionist anti baby murder candidate and has he has a list of 38

Abolitionist points that he's going to bring about bring to pass in the first hundred days of his presidency The only problem is he will never be the

United States the president of the United States of America He will never sit in the White House. He's unlikely to ever walk through the

White House So not one of his perfect abolitionist

Policies will ever be implemented and and so I'm left voting for one of the two options that are realistic there are only two men who have any chance of being the president of the

United States in the coming year and and that's Joe Biden and President Donald Trump Now the common position is that you can't vote for a man

Who is not an abolitionist you can't vote for a man who's an incrementalist a man who is not 100 % against abortion and 100 % committed to abolishing in it now and and I would bring against that a little bit of history

And what you see there is Abraham Lincoln and John C. Breckinridge Abraham Lincoln was the

Republican Party candidate John C. Breckinridge was the Democrat and they were the only two men that had a chance of sitting in the

White House but on November 6th 1860 Abraham Lincoln the presidential

Candidate of the Republican Party prevailed over the Democratic candidate John C. Breckinridge that the

Democrat believed Slaves were property and thus had no rights as human beings much like Joe Biden believes

The unborn child is not an unborn child doesn't recognize the humanity of the child and therefore has no right and he supports the murder of the unborn child up to birth and even beyond Abraham Lincoln claimed he was anti -slavery and in 1854 he said quote if the

Negro is a man why then my ancient faith teaches me that all men are created equal

Abraham Lincoln's worldview was a biblical worldview Although not perfectly so He goes on to say and that there can be no moral right in connection with one man's making a slave of another

Lincoln's campaign promises included limitations on slavery not an abolition but limitations on slavery

He did not call for the abolition of slavery The Republican Party platform was worse.

It promised not to interfere with slavery in the States But oppose slavery in the territories and in future states

It made no mention of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 So the Republican Party platform made no mention of the

Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 the Slave Act that said escaped slaves Could be captured should be captured and brought back to their masters

The Slave Act that resulted in bounties being put out in papers Across the free states

So that men would go and capture the escaped slaves and drag them back down to the slave states and to their masters

And the Republican Party platform said nothing about it When Abraham Lincoln was running for presidency.

It also said nothing about the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision of 1857 that prohibited slaves from being citizens of the

United States From receiving any legal protections as citizens and prohibited Congress from abolishing

Slavery and so Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party were Compromised they wanted to limit slavery, but they were not abolitionist in any sense of the term the abolitionist of that day were understandably disappointed in The selection of Lincoln is the

Republican Party candidate nevertheless in God's perfect providence God saw fit to use the

Non -abolitionist president Abraham Lincoln to bring about the abolition of slavery on January 1st 1863 with the

Emancipation Proclamation and so that's Our hope is that the one?

Man who can be elected to actually sit in the White House and implement policy

Who is pro -life? Will go beyond being pro -life and actually become an abolitionist and in God's providence affect the abolition of abortion and Bring this evil to an end.

That is the only route that's Available Tom Hoefling will never enter the

White House. He will never implement a policy and so History is our guide and I trust in God's providence and I pray that God's providence will repeat history and through an unlikely candidate

President Donald Trump That we will yet see the the glory of God Unleashed and at this point a seeming miracle and the overthrow of Roe vs.

Wade But not not just that Roe vs. Wade being overthrown would just be the beginning But truly a constitutional amendment even that would say this atrocity will end the humanity the unborn child is a scientific fact that cannot be denied and we will uphold it and it's a

Moral fact that cannot be denied and so we will uphold their right to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness

And the same thing that we find in Lincoln's Pre -abolitionist convictions.

He recognized the humanity of the slave We find in President Trump. He recognizes celebrates more than any president since Roe vs.

Wade Recognizes celebrates defends upholds the humanity of the unborn child Yeah, that's the same recipe

That works toward the same path that moves us toward genuine abolition

Yeah, that's right and it's interesting you you bring this up because I I want listeners to know first of all

Roe if you if you study Roe vs. Wade as I have done. It's not like they passed a new law

That's a lot of that a lot abortions. What they did is they reinterpreted one of the amendments

One of the Bill of Rights and and they allowed abortion under the guise of a woman's right to privacy

There's a woman's rights issue And so it's a it's a little different of a ballgame that I think most people understand

You really should read the history of Roe v. Wade to understand what actually happened there having said that you know

So it's friend Ricky. Yeah, he asked this question. How long is the pro -life movement and pro -life politicians been doing incrementalism?

He's an abolitionist. I would ask the exact same question as I have to to people who are abolitionists

How long have you been how long have you been an abolitionist and it hasn't worked? I I mean, this is a very fair question because you keep screaming people keep screaming against incrementalism.

It's not just him Yeah, I understand the heart of Abolitionists, I'm an abolitionist from that perspective.

I love the heart. I love the heart of our abolitionist friends Yeah, me too from that perspective

Well, of course, you're an abolitionist who actually goes to church who actually is under the authority

Well, I mean you're you are the pastor, but you actually like have an accountability Unlike what the AHA movement is is which they're typically nomadic

They typically can't sit under a pastor for very long because they are arrogant and prideful and different things and and that's a whole different whole different show really

Well Yeah, I mean I mean because here's the thing And that's why

I asked that question what's more important being an abolitionist or being a church member in good standings One's mentioned in Scripture one's not abolition isn't in Scripture.

You don't see that there you do see something about You know being in church being someone who's who is

In a membership of a church not disciplined out of a church not not going and starting his own church not going

You know being rebellious to the church, but part of the church Okay, that's one of things

I was an abolitionist before people were using the term abolitionism for the issue of Abortion.

Okay. I was I was using it back before the movie 180 came out, which was before AHA started

Okay, when it became popular to do that I don't use the term ever since AHA because they're their arguments

But let me be really clear in the argument since you put it up there the argument for a meaty mediatism

If you want if you are arguing for a mediatism, then you should never ever ever be outside an abortion clinic

That's incremental That's one Person at a time if you're gonna argue that you're for a mediatism, then you should be in Washington Arguing as a lobbyist every day and that's all you should be doing to end it immediately

But every time you're in an abortion clinic, you're an incrementalist. So don't complain about incrementalism while you're practicing it because that's what they do

Well, everything they practice is really incrementalism And fly around to different states like Oklahoma and try to get laws passed which look it trying to like it laws passed

It is is would be more in line But but when you're when you're you know going around to try to you know, protest churches now for the record

It was really interesting had someone that I was speaking with at the conference at that cruciform conference this week

Speaking on abortion and one of the guys abolitionists very well known I guess in those circles Was warned about me and what the damage

I do to abolitionists it's kind of interesting because he we sat and talked for a while and he said that basically

AHA has changed from the things that I Criticized them for so many years ago

But I'm still the bad man Him who shouldn't be mentioned and yet if they change they should be thanking me and saying

Andrew spotted this years before we did We should have listened to him and instead right but they don't do that.

That's not how it works but you know, that's the thing that you end up seeing is

You know, they're not arguing For when they're outside of some church protesting it trying to get people to be part of their organization that they claims not an organization

That is incremental ism when they're at a plan at a pregnancy. Sorry at an abortion clinic

That's incremental ism. There is no difference between what they're doing trying to save one life and And share the gospel at a murder mill

Versus a pregnancy center trying to save one life and share the gospel in a clinic or or if if the bill that's put in a fourth what

I was saying before about the bills is that they say they're only four bills That are are completely against any type of abortion

From Pomona conception, right but yet why what's wrong with going and supporting a bill?

That's already on the table that maybe is a heartbeat bill is is there a problem with going out and and And championing something like that and and taking bites.

I don't know but but I will say this show up to those Rallies in different states to pass those two so they say they're against them

But yet when those are the bills put forth they're out there like in Oklahoma another area is doing and so there yeah

Here's the thing Before you do it because I'll say this thing that you get to history because you're gonna go longer

Here's the thing with that. Here's the thing with that Anthony is You know, we want those bills

But here's the thing has Tom Hoechlin shown that he is going to be able to work with a

Republican and Democrat Congress To be able to pass these things He has no track record

You have no knowledge if he's gonna do it has Trump shown that he's willing to stand up and call it murder and take

Actions to try to defund Planned Parenthood. Yes You know, that's where it's gonna change you

Doing it versus someone that says he's gonna do it I'll take the guy that actually has proven it over the guy that just claims it and has no chance getting elected

Just to argue from the history brother as far as incremental ism That is the path to abolition historically,

I believe it's the path to abolition presently and to say that all incremental ism is evil because it

It's saying that okay heartbeat bill. We're only going to save the babies that have a heartbeat Well, praise

God we're saving the babies that have a heartbeat you can call it evil You can say that any man who's not a hundred percent abolitionist is an evil man

Well, yeah, we're all evil men outside of the grace of God and 100 % sanctification So that would include all of us and that kind of an extreme

View and yet so no man's qualified for office And and no bill is good enough unless it's a hundred percent, but you're not going to get to that hundred percent

Through through that path. There's no history to show precedence of of that. And and so I stand with history and I believe

God will will do that again if he should so choose Through a man like President Trump who who shows that he does have the strength to stand up and go against the flow on any number of issues, but certainly on this issue of Abortion, he's the first president to speak at the largest gathering pro -life gathering the largest gathering

Upholding the again the sanctity of human life the right to life the humanity of the unborn child

He has spoken at that. There's every indication. He's going to continue to speak at those

At the State of the Union addresses. He has deliberately upheld the humanity unborn child every time and that is the path of Educating America and changing hearts and minds is a reason abortion is down in America in part it's because America is is

Waking up to the reality of this horror and that is in part praise God due to preachers under the

AHA AHA banner and and their signs So we need to keep preaching keep communicating and we need freedom to do that And that's what some of our

AHA friends don't seem to be conscious of is that we've come to a crossroads in America's history where if if we allow

The radical Marxist left to gain the power they want We are not going to have the opportunity

To even preach at the clinic or even preach in our churches or even teach our children to be abolitionist much less

Christians before the abolition even Because these Antichrist forces are very real and they're very serious about what they're doing

To take over America to take away our Constitution to take away that these freedoms

And so we need to be conscious of where we live and where we dwell and if we're so radical in our absolutism

Right now we're never going to see the abolition of abortion, but we're also never going to see

America revive which is more important. We can't remember we can't forget America revived in the sense of not just become becoming conscious of the evil of murder but becoming conscious of the evil of sin and the holiness of God and the glory of Christ as That one name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved

The gospel is always the main thing and we need to cherish our freedom to minister the gospel and vote accordingly and then the freedom to minister to the unborn will follow the freedom to declare the truth of you shall not murder and apply it to the unborn will

Follow but if we lose those freedoms We have we've lost the game

Yep Absolutely, right on all that. So so let's clarify something here if somebody votes for Tom hoefling

What have they done with their votes? They have set us up to become a communist nation where abortions are forced

Yeah, not elective see and so that's the next step that's what our friends are not seeing is that if we become the communist nation that they seem to Have no concern at all about oh, well, you know

God is sovereign Then it's not just that we won't be able to preach anymore against abortion and expose the evil

We won't be able to preach the gospel and have people saved from all sin Not just the sin of abortion, but then then the government will enforce abortion

They will decide for us how many children we should have and if you go beyond that and we we as Christians tend to have

Large family, so it will be Christian children Who are being forcibly murdered? Yeah, no and see and that's and that's the part that that people have been arguing

You know, you see some of the abolitionists and others saying that well You know, it's I can vote for Tom because I need to vote for him for my conscience.

But yet yet Look I enter I also understand that voting for Tom Hopeland isn't necessarily voting for You're not putting one in the column of Joe Biden But what you are doing is you're taking away a vote from a guy who's actually protecting a

Christian worldview the Christian worldview that you say you love a Christian worldview that's

That's a you preach the gospel from and the freedoms in this country that allow you to preach that gospel

Freely in and so that's that's the part that is to me mind -numbing in terms

Yes Is when you vote for Tom ho fling you are giving that much more ability for a guy like Joe Biden to win

We know the margins are slim right Trump again. I think he's gonna win in a landslide next next week

I do as well. He may still lose the popular votes, right? Thank God for for the electoral system that we have here

But he could very well lose a popular vote yet still win in a landslide because he carries enough enough states

Can you imagine just a few more if if he ends up losing this election? Some of the states are razor -thin razor -thin and so those votes that went to Tom ho fling

Were wasted on a guy who can't win Who can't win cannot possibly win can't and we can't throw out.

Well, God is soft Yes, God is sovereign, but he's given us reason and we exercise our reason in every other area of life without saying

God is sovereign We exercise our reason in every Capacity of our lives or every facet of our lives

We need to do so in our politics as well and not throw a vote away

And I know they don't like that term. I love you folks I'm not trying to insult you or infuriate you but it's a vote that is thrown

Away instead of a vote that is put toward an actual workable

Solution just like God was pleased to work out the abolition of slavery with Historically and so look to history as our guide how

God eradicated the evil of slavery and What you'll see is an incremental ism

Yes can work and did work and that an imperfect candidate can be the perfect candidate in God's perfect Providence and vote accordingly with a clear conscience.

I would speak to John MacArthur here just briefly and what an example of strange

Providence that John MacArthur right and not in any way to take a Dig at Phil Johnson, but Phil Johnson was a ardent never trumper.

He was a passionate never trumper and in God's strange Providence John MacArthur now has a friend in the

White House named Donald Trump The president the United States has personally called John MacArthur on a

Sunday morning to thank him for opening his church and to say I Stand with you and beyond that he provided his personal constitutional attorney to John MacArthur Grace Community Church This is an amazing stand of a president.

And by the way, if you've ever had a people's president it's just it's it's a Donald Trump and I see people with kind of funny t -shirts and slow signs with a

MacArthur washer For president 2020 MacArthur washer. Here's the thing.

You're not going to elect MacArthur washer elect Donald Trump to defend MacArthur and washers ability to preach the word

The word that's their ministry That's what God's called them to and faith comes by hearing and hearing the

Word of God and we need the freedom to do that And no president or Jimmy Joe Biden is not going to stand with the church.

Joe Biden is going to help persecute the church help prosecute the church because the LGBT agenda makes the church's

Bible and the church's God to be evil And so preaching the word and the

God of the word and the morality of the word will become a hate crime in very short order you won't be able to just Ignore it and you won't have this wonderful jail ministry that I keep hearing about folks

Because we're all gonna be there All right. So so listen

Anthony, I Asked you if I can ask this because I see Ricky popping in talking about his his conscience

Okay, so here's the question that I have for everyone for our audience since Ricky's in here the only question needs to be asked is is

Ricky a member in good standing of a church and is his conscience more concerned about voting for someone who's never going to get in and voting for abortion versus what the scriptures is very clear about about church membership and and being a member in good standing not one that may be

Shall we say not in good standing That's the question needs to be asked if he's been disciplined out of a church

That's where his conscience should be in in figuring out how to get reconciled not in How am

I gonna vote to to protect my you know to protect the unborn? Well, that's that's an issue though that goes over the abolitionist movement in general, right

I mean that That's a whole different story. I suppose but the abolition abolitionist movement in general are unchurched and that's that's a big problem within that movement

Having said that I want to back up on one thing pastor Chuck, I you know from an abolitionist perspective

I Would think that we are as abolitionists not

AHA abolish abolitionists that we would want to do everything we can possibly do to abolish abortion

Right. I mean it isn't that part of the position of being an abolitionist. I would think brother and So, how would you do it?

Yeah, so how would voting for Tom Hofling or Joe Jorgensen as some people are doing too? How is that doing everything you can possibly do to abolish abortion?

I? Would I would agree? I think your logic is solid voting for a man who can't possibly

Win the election a man who will never be the president United States because his policies are perfect to me is foolhardy

It's a wasted vote. You're not affecting Abolition if anything you're working against abolition and you're working toward this

This in all likelihood the woman in all likelihood will be the next mayor of Portland and you see that colorful skirt

You might think it's red white and blue and indeed it is But the colorful skirt has her communist heroes emblazoned upon it

Mao Zedong Joseph Stalin and other communist heroes that are mass murders of tens of millions of born human beings and They won't be any kinder to the unborn.

So in When we throw away our vote we open the door for that and let me tell you if she wins here in Portland a woman who openly supports communist

Tyrant murderers if she wins here in Portland, I Very much pray. There's a man in the

White House who will hold her evil in check Because there's certainly no man down in Salem or woman for that matter

Governor Brown is not going to hold her in check. And so when evil men rule the people

Suffer when the wicked rule the people suffer And so we need to cast a real vote for a real candidate and your vote is real.

Don't throw it away It's a precious thing. It's a gift from God. It's a responsibility So cast it for a real candidate

And if Tom Hoefling wants to be president My counsel to him is to run for dog catcher and have some success there

Run for City Council and have some success there run for mayor and have some success there run for state representative have some success there then put your sights on Washington DC and then

Perhaps you'll find some success, but you're untested my friend You're unproven and there's no one that's going to get behind you at any level that it's going to give you success of Entering the

White House as a real candidate So right now all you're doing is stealing votes and you're wasting your own precious life

My counsel to Tom Hoefling is being abolitionist stop wasting your time get down to the abortion clinic and minister the

Word of God there But first minister to your wife if truly you're a Christian minister the gospel to your wife

So that you're not in heaven one day without her and so Let's be real.

Let's be real about what a Christian is Let's be real about who can actually sit in the White House and affect policy

And let's not open the door for communists and their murders I mean her heroes are murderers and they're emblazoned on her skirt and bar in America I very likely here in Portland will be under her rule.

And so I very much hope in the White House I'm under a different rule that will stop her

Yeah, well You know what anybody who's been listening to the last hour and 50 minutes

I hope that they've been thoroughly convinced at this point about what they need to do. So pastor

Chuck, you know We're working a little late. I have no problem with that But and I know we want to get to Catholicism here and if you know pretty short, but I but I do want yeah

I do want you to be able to finish up and whatever you want to talk about Politically here because that is the show.

So yep. Yep And I and I very much want to get to Catholicism But I want to I want to make some statements here and then talk to pastors a bit

So let's talk about a vote for a Democrat a vote for a Democrat Joe Biden or otherwise is a vote for the radical homosexual movement seeking to destroy our

First Amendment Constitutional rights in order to criminalize the truth of God's Word that exposes sexual perversion as a nation demolishing life -destroying soul -damning

Sin and all you need do is go over to Great Britain and try to preach the Word of God and you'll find

Every moment you're under threat of arrest because every moment The police are standing the wings and people are accusing you of hate crime the hate crime being that you believe the

Word of God that you counsel them to repent of their sexual perversion and confess Christ is Lord for salvation

So the Word of God there is already very much criminalized and we're in danger of that happening here as well

But it won't stop just on the streets the streets are like I was always say like the canary in the in the cave or the canary in the mine

The preacher getting arrested on the streets is a short hop then to the church

Which then is a short hop to the home dear mother and father and so these freedoms are precious to be able to minister the

Word of God and the LGBT community is Radical and the Democratic Party has given

Given themselves over to the radical LGBT community as clearly in the

BLM manifesto They're looking to criminalize they've consciously stated that they want to teach your children the upcoming generation

That you are evil for believing the evil God of the Bible and the evil

Bible that says that homosexuality Is sin that's their stated purpose.

And so we need to vote accordingly continuing a vote for Democrat is a vote for the radical homosexual movement seeking to outlaw the truth of the

Bible in the church in the home in schools in the workplace online and in the open air a

Vote for a Democrat is a vote for the global baby genocide that has resulted in 1 .6

billion Babies being violently slaughtered over the last 40 years a vote for a

Democrat is a vote for the murder of 1 ,000 black babies per day in America alone a vote for a

Democrat is a vote for racial division and strife and oppression it's amazing that our

Democratic congressmen and women they're blaming President Trump for the division taking place right now the division in our nation started with President Obama right out of his church and what he was taught in his church, but all of this racial division and strife and Unrest has come from the left and it's a deliberate division with a deliberate goal

It's right out of the communist manifesto and their stated plans a vote for a

Democrat is a Vote for racial division strife and oppression a vote for Democrats a vote for the lawlessness

Anarchy and Tifa riots looting vandalism burning cities burning flags and burning Bibles like here in my city night after night after night after night in Portland You see the left's influence, but it's not just Portland.

It's it's coast to coast It's in podunk towns even in the heartland

This unrest will continue if we vote for the left That's using the their shock troops the

BLM and Tifa shock troops to bring us under their thumb to bring us under their tyranny a

Vote for a Democrat and this is this is probably the most important statement of them all a vote for a

Democrat is a vote for secular atheist Marxist tyranny the destruction of America the murder of millions of unborn

Americans and the damning of countless Americans to eternal judgment and hell, that's

Reality at this point as I said earlier at this point in history The Democratic Party is the party of Satan.

It is the Antichrist Party I want to speak to pastors for a moment a word to pastors regarding Joe Biden in the party of Satan and the voters in Their congregations voting for Joe Biden in the party of Satan pastor it is a colossal failure in your shepherding your preaching and Teaching if you have professing

Christians red yellow black or white in your church singing about how they love Jesus while they vote for Joe Biden first Yeah, let me stop right there

I want to make sure people heard that right it is a colossal failure in the shepherding

Practices of the pastor who is not teaching as congregation properly.

Yes bottom line Absolutely. And again, I say it without apology without question

I want to be absolutely clear if you have people voting for Joe Biden or any Democrat at this point in history in your

Congregation it's a failure of you the pastor to preach and teach and church discipline

We as pastors are accountable to teach the flock to bring the

Word of God to bear upon them in Authoritative thus saith the Lord manner to preach the word is convinced rebuke exhort.

That's not my definition It's God's definition in the pastoral epistles Convince rebuke exhort the authoritative application of God's Word on God's people to convince them of God's truth

To convince them that going against it is an error that is going to harm them and harm others and blaspheme

God to rebuke them if they persist in it And to exhort them to continue in that truth once they're in it to continue to walk in the light of the

Word So convince rebuke exhort with all long -suffering and teaching is the mandate of God for pastors

And if we have not done that sufficiently to stop them from supporting that which is so clearly

Antichrist that which is so clearly satanic at this point again in history

The Democratic platform is the platform of Satan If we have failed in that manner, then we have failed in a colossal manner

And so the first order of business for a pastor with that kind of failure is to repent to repent now

It's gonna cost you something pastor. You're gonna lose Butts and seats and dollars in the coffers dollars in that offering plate

Because they're gonna be some that don't want to repent. They are goats in the midst of the sheep and They're not going to repent they're gonna leave

But that is a worthy sacrifice to have an actual church a church of Ecclesia a church of called out ones

A church of genuine born -again sheep of the Lord's fold, but praise God some of those who are currently voting for evil voting for satan's platform

They will repent they will get sanctified and some of them will repent and get saved

They will actually bend their knee to christ and confess him as lord And so if you have joe biden voters in your church the first order of business

You need to repent clearly and publicly before god and your congregation Then you need to clearly and patiently teach your joe biden voters why they

Need to repent then you need to actually call them to repent Then you need to rejoice in those who repented and bent their knee to christ as lord

Then you need to put out those who willfully and wickedly continue unrepentant to aid the democratic party's satanic agenda the lord's command

For the morally corrupt corinthian church is his command for you dear pastor and your morally corrupt church first corinthians chapter 5 verse 11 through 13

I've written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother who is sexually immoral or covetous or an idolater or reviler

Or a drunkard or an extortioner not even to eat with such a person therefore put away from yourselves the evil person

Dear pastor if you won't obey the lord It's not because you're christ -centered gospel focused apolitical

Loving gracious or big -hearted It's because you're scripture defying christ blaspheming gospel trampling self -loving self -serving cowardly and a hireling

And I say that as a warning to you know who you are Know who you are and repent

And step down or repent and step up and be the man You truly should be a genuine man of god wielding the sword of the spirit with faith and with courage

And I would assume that that what you're saying here regarding anybody any pastor who isn't speaking out wholeheartedly against joe biden

This also goes equally to pastors who have supported blm Oh, yes the last six months.

I mean it is despicable that david platt is is on one hand Keeps his church closed on the other hand.

It's sitting outside Marching with blm as they're looting robbing destroying

Cities it was disgusting to watch and he's not the only one No, that is a that's beyond a colossal failure.

Um Of shepherding that's that's being an anti -shepherd that is actively joining the anti -christ forces of blm

Uh, that's that's astonishing and so he has disqualified himself

From the office of pastor and elder and anyone else like him have disqualified themselves. I don't care articulate

They are I don't care what they've written. I don't care who is singing their praises or What fanboys will defend them to to the point of death?

um That that is anti -christ. They need to repent and step down Uh, no matter what woke social justice calls and professing christian claims as their justification

For voting for joe biden or any other democrat. They shouldn't be in your church singing amazing grace

While they aid the dnc's graceless genocidal mission to murder millions of babies

And the dnc's radical lgbt mission to pervert our children to criminalize parents who tell johnny

He's a boy when johnny loses his young mind and decides he's a girl To criminalize pastors who tell johnny

God created him as a boy and to provide state -funded drugs and surgery to mutilate johnny and turn him into joanie

Without parental consent. That's not christianity. It's blasphemy That's not christ church.

It's satan's church And pastor some of you have satan's church filling your pews unregenerate unrepentant false converts

Filling your pews you need to preach the word of god teach the word of god and church discipline with the word of god

In order to purify the church so that you might actually have a church You need to separate out the goats from the sheep with a faithful ministry of god's word and you need to Sanctify the sheep so they're clear.

So they're clear. So they're not satisfied being in a pew With someone who's voting for everything that is antichrist

So they're not happy to fellowship with people who fellowship with the platform of satan

And support it with their votes Preach the word brothers Teach the word and do biblical church discipline

Lovingly for love of god and love of the genuine sheep of god's fold Politics isn't just politics

It's shepherding And that's two hours right there

That's an angel Perfect perfect place to end. What do you know?

Almost so pastor check, um, wow, I I don't even I don't know how you top that but Anything else you want to say?

Um in terms of the political arena, I mean we the votes Either way, yes

Never forget Islam is evil islam damn souls islam inspires torture murder and terrorism

Never forget the orange jumpsuits And the horror of the near daily videos that were coming out as men like barack obama evil men

Ruled in the most powerful seat In the world and islam was unleashed on the world never forget the evil of islam

And what it brings both temporarily and eternally and never forget that god was pleased to use donald trump to bring that daily horror to an end

Have we so quickly forgotten 9 -11 have we so quickly forgotten? The orange jumpsuits have we so quickly forgotten how it seemed like islam

Was was on this global rise that just could not be stopped They were marching to take over the world and they could not be held in check

That's because the men in power didn't want to hold them in check But by the grace of god president donald trump quickly put down the islamic uprising

Protecting your family Protecting my family and allowing us to live freely again out from under the fear

Of imminent islamic terrorist attack or just the next psychological

Horror film to come out On youtube as as they slice people's throats or behead them or burn them alive from a swing set over an open fire

I I remember when 9 -11 happened. I was in dental school at the time At the ohio state university and I remember

Walking out of one final because we were going year -round at that time. I walked out of a final on that september 11th

Into uh into the computer lab where we could just kind of you know Play on the computers for an hour before we walked in the next final and somebody ran in Telling us that uh, the twin towers had just gotten hit by planes

We didn't know about it. We ended up going in and taking our next final I just said not a word, but we were all shaken by what had happened.

And so my The condo that my roommate and I were in we had like 20 people from dental class to our to our place

We didn't study a lick. We we watched Video after video news station up the news station all day all night ordered pizza several times

And I say all this because I I have I have memories emblazoned into my brain

That is they're showing on one screen the the the fire and smoke as a replaying the the planes hitting and the

Hours toppling down over and over again on the other screen They're showing dayton, ohio with muslims in the streets dancing and cheering

Thousands and burning the american flag all over the world michigan and all over the country in the world

It was the it was a disgusting display and then to watch not too many years later our own government embrace sadistic evil religion of islam

And support what what should have been What should be enemy countries are now supporting them?

And that and that the clinton foundation grows by tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars by donations from The same countries that had just bombed us not too many years earlier.

Yes, and to watch so what you're Exactly what you're saying here. Let's let people not forget

The evils of what islam has been doing all over And september 11th happened on george bush's watch but it happened because the eight years of bill clinton's

Presidency that allowed the evil of islam to grow ever bolder in the earth and his own moral compromises that had him distracted and And unable to take decisive action, but then under president obama, uh islam had a friend

In the white house and they knew it and they prospered all over the world and the arab spring took place

Which was really the islamic spring under their leadership and they killed a few tyrants obama killed a few tyrants

But in killing the tyrants, he unleashed islam in their wake Absolutely So pastor chuck, hold on before you do so so chuck let us at this moment

Thank you for your service to our country Uh, we know that as a marine

You put your life on the line to for our freedoms I think that's why you have some of the the passion that you have for this

Is because you are willing to risk your life for these very freedoms

And I want people to recognize that so first off. Thank you Well, brother, you're welcome.

It was my joy and privilege and it's there in the marine corps that I came to christ and so um

I praise god for my six years and it was so the marines aren't all bad then, huh? There's something good out of the marines

Again, it speaks to the greatness of our nation the greatest nation on the face of the planet. I say that With with joy and conviction so in the marine corps boot camp

I was given a gideon new testament by the marine corps And in boot camp, I came to repentance and faith in christ reading the giddy new testament.

Hey, god bless you brother. Semper fi Praise god um

But in boot camp came to christ and then by the grace of god at a six -year missions trip around the world to preach christ

And my first sermon was on the beach of somalia right after black hawk down I I had the pleasure of of ministering the gospel in dark places smuggling bibles into Nations where the word of god is illegal because the marine corps can walk right on in Um, so god's good plan for my life but I tell you when you travel the world to those hot spots what you find is a a greater value a greater consciousness

Of what we have here in the united states of america and how precious It is and how we need to hold on to it tenaciously for all the right reasons not just selfishly

So we get our best life now But hold on to it passionately so that we might communicate the word of god freely so that folks will have eternal life later

Yeah, thank you So so let's transition now for just a few minutes into catholicism and and then we will uh,

We'll we'll let we'll wet everyone's appetites and bring it back on here in a couple of weeks

So here's a quiz question What do you? joe, biden nancy pelosi

Hillary clinton and amy coney barrett all have in common They all claim to be roman catholic some of them more honestly than others

Yes, yes, um Interesting, so there are roman catholics and there are roman catholics, of course, and there are muslims and there are muslims and there are professing evangelicals and uh professing evangelicals, so they're there will always be those who are genuine to their their faith or worldview and those that are not

But politics aside and fake catholics aside Um Reformation day is coming rapidly

Some people call it. Uh, what's that other term you guys were talking about this week even I don't know halloween. Yeah halloween all hollows eve

Yeah, which precedes all saints day, um november 1st, so november 1st, we're supposed to celebrate the saints

So I appreciate that our catholic friends celebrate us Every year on november 1st, isn't that wonderful?

I just wish that they might come to repentance and faith and join us as actual saints of god so There's so much we could talk about with reformation day and reformation sunday and The pope and and whatnot and i'll get to the pope momentarily, but I want to address first of all what it means to be reformed uh, it doesn't

It doesn't mean simply holding to historic reformed Doctrine, it certainly doesn't mean having cool reformed tattoos

It doesn't have anything at all to do with drinking hard liquor Uh on videos or lighten up your your favorite tobacco or e -cigarette

Um on videos for the world to see it has nothing to do with showing your favorite micro brew that you happen to be drinking

Uh on some evening on your social media Um, this is where you swear and have kegs of beer presents.

It has nothing at all In fact, it would I would I would think it would be contrary. Um to the swearing and uh the pub crawls

Uh being reformed is not about being cool It's become cool to be reformed

Um, you know used to be hip to be square now. It's hip to be reformed but No being reformed isn't about uh

Well, some of those things have nothing to with being reformed at all and some of those things Yes, you're reformed if you hold the reformed doctrine

But I want to go a step further and say if you are not a reformer, I don't count you as reformed If you're not a reformer

Then quit reveling in being reformed I quit reveling incessantly in You know micro aggressions over micro details on micro reform doctrines we

The heart of being reformed is being a reformer If you're reformed and you're not reforming repent

If you're reformed and you're calling roman catholics your brothers and sisters in christ Then you aren't my brother or sister in christ because roman catholics need to repent of their roman catholic heresy of their roman catholic idolatry

And believe the true gospel of christ to become our brothers and sisters in christ, which should be your goal as a reformed man or woman it is tragic

That we have men at the helm Of a reformed movement a reformed uprising in this era that openly boastfully even

Call roman catholics their brothers and sisters in christ and everyone is looking the other way unwilling

To speak to this That is being a counter reformer. How are men at the helm of the reformed movement counter reformers?

What what happened to this vast mission field? We called the roman catholic church where 1 .3 million people are perishing

Under a multitude of heresies not one simple heresy, but heresy upon heresy upon heresy

Upon heresy all of them antichrist all of them blaspheming the lord all of them blaspheming christ finished work is to tell us die and and yet It's as if some of our reformed friends get high on Not just what they're smoking and drinking but on Claiming roman catholics as brothers and sisters in christ on inviting roman catholics to their hymn sings to protest tyranny at a state level

What happened to being a protestant What happened to be a reformer? If we're going to have catholics coming preach the gospel to them call them to repent when you join them in singing hymns to god

You're blaspheming god and blaspheming his gospel when you join them in prayer whether it's

Some prayer meeting that's organized or some casual thing that happens or whether it's outside of abortion clinic

Where our roman catholic 40 days for life friends always want to pray with us I can never pray with them and I always make a distinct point to say look

I would really love to pray with you and i'm not trying to be offensive to you my roman catholic friend I'm glad you're here to plead for the lives of the unborn

But I can't pray with you because that would be hating my god and hating you my neighbor

Because see that would be undermining the gospel of jesus christ because you're just as likely to pray to mary In fact, they are praying to mary outside the abortion clinic every time we go

Yeah, and a lot of times they drag their forefoot statues out and dance around them with their rosaries and everything else so yes and That is a false

Mediatrix, that's another mediator denying the one name under heaven given among men by which they must be saved

And so I can't pray with them and I make that a gospel point. It's an entrance It's a door for the gospel to say

I would love to be able to pray with you But you've got to repent of your co -mediatrix you've got to repent of your antichrist wafer you've got to repent of eating christ cannibalistically for justification

You've got to repent of your faith in purgatory If you don't get your sacraments, all right You're going to go to purgatory and you're going to pay for your sins instead of christ paying for your sins

That's a repudiation of christ a rejection of christ my dear roman catholic friend So we need to be reformers not reformed and if you're not a reformer

Then then take off your reformed mantle take off your reformed tattoo. Go get it removed It's a shameful thing for you be a reformer

Because being a reformer is about being a minister of the gospel Not a man who holds simply to a creed historic or otherwise

But a man who holds to christ and his gospel who is willing to suffer and die for it so that our catholic friends might live

Yeah, amen to that So so let me ask you this pastor chuck because there may be people that are listening now or or in the future

And they're going to be listening to this and there are some christians that are confused because let's let's be honest

If if you are not being taught by a good pastor as we talked about earlier If you are not reading your bible, well

It is it is entirely possible that uh That somebody gets confused when they listen to a catholic speak because a catholic while using the same

Terminology as us and and having different definitions. You don't always know that They're using the same terminology very similar to what joe's witnesses do and mormons do and other other christian cults do

I want to call it christian but christian cults do and and you know, I I am going to give a shameless plug for andrew's book

What do they believe because one of the things he does in here really well there's a lot of things he does really well and this is what

I want you to speak to pastor chuck is that It's it's it's easy to fall into a trap

I think for some christians to say, you know, this person's this my next door neighbor's catholic and everything they seem to say

Seems to be right Like they they seem to believe in in faith in jesus. I mean they say that that's what they believe

They say it's about the blood of christ And the thing is is that you and I both know if you read through The official roman catholic catechism 9495 depending which label you you read but if you read through it and andrew goes through that and catalogs it in his book

Their heresy it's full of heresy Like you don't have to read very far in the in in the catechism to understand that they don't believe what the bible teaches

Not about justification not about sanctification not about mary not about fill in the blank They don't believe it.

In fact their council of trent says that that's those who believe in faith alone are anathema

And this is this is our mantra as reformers we are faith alone This is what we stand and this is what we die.

This is the hill. This is a hill to die on is alone

And and and i'll say this and i'll let you talk in our halloween episode two days ago

What's fascinating is is as evil as as halloween is in its origins guess who put halloween out for Consumption of the entire world and who made it famous nothing other than a roman catholic pope in the 600s

It was pope boniface that that married this this wicked pagan um stuff going on and brought it into Catholicism and made it famous and it was it was practiced in europe for a long time before it made its way into this country

Through irish and spanish immigrants over over a period of years But it even even the even the evilness of catholicism

Has played a role in halloween which happens just so happens to be on the exact same day as The reformation and what we celebrate each and every year so beautiful providence

So, um, I I like and I do want to get into the uh, the actual catechism

And even uh, the council trip Uh, but I I love spurgeon Spurgeon speaks with clarity.

He speaks with power Uh, and I I appreciate some of his quotes and so I want to give just a few quotes to clarify just so Folks get because some of our friends who listen to this now and or or in the future

They may think wow that that chuck guy, you know, he's kind of mean -spirited, you know, he's kind of really sour on catholicism

Um, I i'm not alone And I am sour catholicism. Let me be clear.

I hate roman catholicism. I hate it because it's damning My roman catholic friends that I love

I hate roman catholicism with a passion because it blasphemes jesus christ my lord and his to tell us die

Whom I love And that I love So charles spurgeon spoke with clarity

And we need this kind of clarity he said in his treasure of david psalm under psalm 106 Verse 20 he said false gods and attempts to represent the true god and indeed all material things which are worshiped are so much

Filth upon the face of the earth whether they be crosses crucifixes virgins wafers relics or even the pope himself

We are by far Too mealy -mouthed about these infamous abominations

God abhors them And so should we? To renounce the glory of spiritual worship for the outward pomp and show is the height of folly and deserves to be treated as Such it's the height of folly it deserves to be treated as such these are infamous abominations.

He says infamous Abominations, you know, what is he referring to? Crucifixes virgins wafers relics or even the pope himself their abominations

Because they defy and deny christ And his finished work they they deny and defy christ and his gospel they damn souls

He goes on elsewhere to say quote it is the burden duty of every christian to pray against Antichrist and as to what antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question if it not be the popery in the church of Rome, there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name

If there were to be issued a hue and cry for antichrist We should certainly take up this church on suspicion and it would certainly not let loose again for it

So exactly answers the description the church of rome is

Antichrist every one of those doctrines is antichrist. It's against christ. It's in place

Of christ the wafer is against christ. It blasphemes christ. It's in place of christ and his finished work

The priest is against christ. He is antichrist. He is Offering himself up as a christ for you.

He he himself Becomes a path of salvation as he absolves sin in the confessional booth as he gives last rites as he

Baptizes. No, he doesn't he sprinkles infants with so -called holy water soul rome's heresies teach so regeneration through water sprinkling from the hand of a priest and they're made a member of the church

Universal this is heresy upon heresy The priest is antichrist.

His sacraments are antichrist. The pope is antichrist. The roman catholic church is antichrist

Spurgeon continues elsewhere. He says quote popery is contrary to christ gospel and is the antichrist and we ought to pray

Against it not pray with them Pray against it It should be the daily prayer of every believer that antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood

And for christ because it wounds christ because it robs christ of his glory because it puts sacramental efficacy in place of his atonement and lifts a piece of bread

Into the place of the savior and a few drops of water into the place of the holy ghost the holy ghost regenerates not water from a priest hand

And puts a mere Fallible man like ourselves up as the vicar of christ on earth if we pray against it because it is against him

We shall love the persons we hate Though we hate their errors.

We shall love their souls though We loathe and detest their dogmas and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened because we turn our faces toward christ when we pray

That is the heart that beats In the chest of every man who truly loves the lord

Jesus christ and knows his gospel clearly and mind you knowing his gospel clearly is not just some intellectual thing

It is the power of the spirit of god who regenerates and illuminates opens our eyes first corinthians chapter one and two it's the spirit who turns the cross and the gospel from Foolishness to the wisdom of god in our foolish minds and when the spirit does that we no longer confuse the true gospel with the gospel of rome or the gospel of islam or the gospel

Of mormonism or the gospel of the jehovah's witness watchtower, which is not another gospel.

Galatians 1 6 through 9 tells us It's not another gospel It's under the anathem of god

And so Praise god for that kind of clarity. May god give that clarity to each one of us

Who profess to be reformed who profess to be followers of christ who profess to believe his gospel?

pastor john mccarthur In some circles is not considered reformed even though his soteriology is very much reformed even though he pretty much holds to uh

Calvinistic theology Because he rejects reformed eschatology. He's not reformed

I want to say that many of our so -called reformed champions who aren't reformers are much less reformed

Than john mccarthur. John mccarthur is a champion in the reformation that matters

He may not be in the loft and reformed ivory tower, but he's been in the trenches fighting a good fight for decades

Praise god pastor. John mccarthur says this in the long war on the truth The most formidable relentless and deceptive enemy has been roman catholicism

It is an apostate corrupt heretical false christianity. It is a front for the kingdom of satan

That is a clear statement worth holding on to that is the statement of a reformer who defends

The gospel of jesus christ against the antichrist church of rome and its pope

And priest that's the heart that we need to have if we're going to call ourselves reformed men if we're going to call ourselves christians and ministers of the gospel so you know

Before andrew breaks in and like shuts us down What let's I know let let's let's talk about the pope a little bit because you know this is

The biggest thing that people have been talking about in in the last week week and a half It's it's been regarding the pope's comments, right?

This is this has been huge So would you like to tell the audience what what did the pope say for those who haven't heard and why is it patently wrong?

I'm afraid I I've had his quote here somewhere, but I don't have it handy right at this moment But what what he's done?

He's waffled on on homosexuality um because Because it's a cult roman catholicism is a cult as a church

Its knee isn't bent to christ as lord and king As a pope his knee is not bent to christ as lord and king as priests

Their knees are not bent to christ as lord and king only genuine christians born again from above and dwelt with the spirit of god

Have bent their knee to christ as king. So what christ says is true No matter what the culture says

Cults will always waver in time. They will always give way to the culture in time and so We shouldn't waste our time trying to curry the favor of cults whether it's mormonism and saying we need our mormon friends to help us stand against the

Attack of our culture on marriage. No, we don't need our mormon friends. We just need to stand On the rock who is christ on the definition that god has given us for marriage

Without compromising the gospel of jesus christ trying to defend a secondary issue

In the issue of marriage in the same way. We find folks trying to hold on or hold hands

With the roman catholic church. Dr. Russell moore went And sat down with rick warren and the pope

In rome some years ago. It was quite publicized and the whole issue was to stand against homosexual

Compromise homosexual Undermining of the definition of marriage and even male and female

In our society, but of course because rome is not beneath christ in time

Rome gets tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine in this world. And wow, the

Homosexual wind is blowing hurricane, you know force And they are toppling they are toppling

As is the mormon church it is toppling on this issue as well. And so now we're finding mormons can be homosexuals in good standing

And roman catholics can be homosexuals in good standing as well But it's not just in the roman catholic church again.

One of the largest churches in portland Just up the road here Beaverton four square church is now pastored by a man

Who says that roman catholics or excuse me who says? That homosexuals

Can indeed be born again from above while they're still in homosexual marriages unrepentant They can be born again from above regenerated and he will baptize them as brothers and sisters in christ and even put them to work in the local church excuse me

It's no wonder to me to go back to our previous discussion that that pastor was down at portland's blm rally

That's not a shock um because compromise begets compromise and if your knee is not bent to christ then you blow

In every with every wind of doctrine just like the pope Of rome and so I don't want to throw

I don't want to throw stones from an evangelical glass house The the church is being ravaged the southern baptists are being ravaged on this issue of homosexuality and so um

This has become a defining issue of our age to determine who truly is in christ

Who truly is indwelt with the spirit of god who truly is going to toe the line when the culture shows up saying look?

To say homosexuality is a sin Is hate speech? It's it's evil

It's really become the the evil of our day is to be intolerant of sexual perversion.

That's like the great evil of our day um It used to be you kind of thought that murder was like the great evil

But now with the murder of unborn children being so prolific And murder tv being you know, what we raise our children on they watch murder after murder after murder after murder after murder after murder

It were a society of murder. So murder is not so bad anymore in our collective conscience And it used to be that sexual immorality even abuse of children

Was a great evil, but now we we see in california legislation passing even where child abusers

Sex offenders are not going to be held accountable as long as the child was consenting

That that is the corrosion of our collective Morality and conscience having rejected god and so we're finding in the visible uh church, even those who profess to believe the gospel this

Significant Compromise and you're going to find it in the cults And in the antichrist church of rome as well, so i'm not shocked by it

Not at all And what I say is we've got some christians really getting up in arms over it

And saying wow, look at that. The pope's really gone off the rails now Um, hear me dear brothers and sisters the homosexual issue is serious

But that is a a drop In the bucket of rome's ocean of evil

That is a drop in the bucket in rome's ocean of soul -damning heresies

That's just the newest one And and the next pope may repudiate it even and go back to a more biblical

Position. We don't know but but Let's let's look at the doctrines of rome.

Let's look at the the sacraments of rome. Let's look at the claims of the priest

That are contrary to the claim of our lord and savior. Jesus christ and let's drill down on that and do so Dogmatically and do so clearly and we all need to study

Rome's heresy enough to be able to communicate Clearly to our catholic Friends that they need to repent of it to come to the true gospel and you you asked earlier anthony you you said, uh,

Something to the effect of uh needing to have greater clarity needing to have A greater conviction on this there's so much confusion afoot out there if you ask the average

Evangelical even reformed person if their roman catholic friend was going to go to heaven They would say probably or even just yes, as long as they're a good faithful roman.

They believe in jesus after all They believe in jesus and here's what I find that The problem being if you're not an actual minister of the gospel

Meaning you actually engage people And I don't mean to belittle men who who preach the gospel from the pulpit faithfully god bless them

I appreciate that I celebrate that but we actually need to get down to the streets We actually need to get down to where the people are and engage the people and when you actually engage roman catholics

With the gospel you'll find that they're not saved I've met many many seemingly sound pastors and average christians who say they know lots of roman catholics that are saved

My question to them is this have you asked them if they've repudiated and repented

Of their faith in that wafer if they have rejected the transubstantiated christ and faith in that wafer

For their salvation for their justification Well, no, I haven't done that Well, then how do you know?

They're a saved catholic versus the unsaved catholic Well, they don't know that at all because unless they've rejected that gospel

Uh denying heresy, then they're unrepentant still and we forget the basics, right?

Jesus first message mark 1 15 repent And believe the gospel you must repent of all that is contrary to the gospel.

You can't both believe the gospel And believe that which is contrary to the gospel simultaneously. You've got to repent of heresy

To believe the gospel and let me differentiate There's error and there's heresy

There's theological error That's not damning necessarily And then there's heresy that goes directly to the gospel

That's going to damn your soul and rome has heresy upon heresy upon heresy Some of them are very obvious like the wafer in the cup the mass

Um, and some are maybe less obvious or more obscure But the obvious ones the mass that's the heart of rome and every roman catholic if they call themselves a roman catholic they

Still hold to that mass. They go to mass. They partake of the mass. They bow and genuflect before the wafer

They worship their idol They they have faith in that idol that that is literally christ

And you mentioned the council of trent brother the council of trent says explicitly explicitly that you and I are damned

And we're damned Explicitly because we reject the transubstantiated christ we reject

That wafer is actually physically literally the body of jesus christ

And it's interesting in romans roman catholic dogma um And and we don't have time to get into all this.

I I want to quote it all but I I we just don't have time but They they actually have a broad road that leads to destruction

Teaching in their catechism where as long as you're ignorant if you're a

Basically good person you you still are going to be under the grace of god and go to heaven Although you probably have to stop and do some time in purgatory.

The only people that are definitely Definitely going to hell under the anathema

Of of god, uh, no stopping it go no purgatory for you Are those that explicitly deny the transubstantiated

Christ that deny the heart of roman catholic heresy, which is the mass and that wafer cup

Those people are fast -tracked to hell Meaning those who hold fast to the gospel and reject the idol of rome in the mass

Um, so that that's very very interesting Wow There is

We definitely have to have another show because there is so much So much to unpack what you just went through in the last.

I don't know 10 minutes so much to unpack but uh But we can we can clearly say

That that the person who is in a catholic church Who might fool the average evangelical?

The average evangelical needs to wake up and they need to understand what rome actually teaches

They need to understand what what's the council trent says? They understand what the roman catholic catechism says it understands what what they believe that the wafer represents

They they need to understand all of these things Let me give you one one canon from trent canon one

If anyone denies that in the sacrament the most holy eucharist are contained truly really

Substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our lord jesus

And consequently the whole christ but says that he is in it only as a sign or a figure or force.

Let them be anathema And that's just one of the anathemas, but they all have to do with the transubstantiated christ

Um, let them be anathema And this is binding, uh roman catholics ex cathedra, you know with the authority of god on par with scripture

It's still binding today. We are damned under the council of trent because we reject the

Transubstantiated christ being uh, both body and blood together with soul and divinity divinity

That's the council of Trent what does the word of god say? It says you should not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything

That's in heaven above if it's in the earth beneath if it's in the water under the earth You should not bow down to them

As they bow down every time they walk in the roman catholic church. They're genuflecting before they're worshiping the wafer that's up there in that box

They worship it And the word of god the law of god exodus 20 verses 4 and 5 says you shall not

Bow down to them nor serve them for I the lord your god I'm a jealous god visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation to those who

Hear this dear friends to those who hate me That's what god says idolaters are

Idolaters are haters of the true god So you can't be both a hater of the true god and a worshiper of the true god you can't believe that that wafer is jesus and worship that wafer and Be an actual worshiper of jesus who is seated at the right hand of the father

As the one mediator between god and men the man christ Jesus and so we need to call our roman catholic friends to repent of their idolatry.

That's the heart of their heresy That's the heart of the heresy of rome the idolatry of the wafer There's many more heresies, but that's the heart of it if they've not repented of the idolatry of the wafer

Then they're not saved They haven't believed the gospel they haven't believed in the true christ They have a false christ. They have an idol and a false gospel eating christ.

They are literally cannibals in their theology They believe they're actually eating jesus christ and and excreting him out as well as mike gendron would say

Well, they have they have fancy theology and physiology Um to to work that out so that doesn't happen, but that's that I mean, yeah, that's the reality of it

And so god says this is hatred and yet we show up and say no they love jesus They have a simple faith in jesus.

No, they don't they have no faith in jesus. They have faith in an idol and hear me Salvation is not a work of man.

Salvation is not a work of the intellect The spirit of god regenerates a soul and illuminates the mind

So that we comprehend the glory of the gospel of christ and we comprehend the glory of christ

Therefore we won't worship a wafer as if that wafer had the glory of christ We worship the true christ seated at the right hand of the father having to telestai having finished

His work he sat down and we believe his gospel that it's a finished work and we trust in the finished

Work of jesus christ and we wouldn't dare add the works of our hands that are but filthy rags.

We trust in his pierced hands we trust In his accomplished redemption hebrews says we trust that he obtained eternal redemption as he drew said hebrews says we don't trust in our works or the work of a priest or That wafer or the cup that rome is now so kindly opened up to the people as well

But what they say in a roman catholic mass if you haven't been to one Is the body of christ the body of christ the body of christ the body of christ every time the priest

Puts a wafer on the tongue of a faithful Believing idolater putting their faith in that body of christ in that wafer

Not just in remembrance of me as jesus said But actually jesus when they're eating for justification

That's the heart of rome's heresy And if your roman catholic friends haven't repented of that repent and believe the gospel jesus said mark 1 15

Then they haven't believed the gospel because you can't both believe the gospel and believe that which is 100 180 degrees in the other direction contrary

To the gospel of jesus christ. You can't both believe in the true jesus christ And believe in the idol the false christ of rome the antichrist wafer

And so keep it simple saints repent and believe the gospel. They must repent just like mormons must repent of Their jesus who's the brother of lucifer their jesus who is not eternal their jesus who became a god to show you how to become

A god, they must repent of that false. Jesus and believe in the true jesus in the true gospel Our muslim friends must repent of their false

Jesus who was a prophet but not god who was a prophet but not crucified and resurrected on the third day

They must repent of their false. Jesus. He doesn't exist And come to the true jesus and his true gospel

Or they're going to perish in their sins you must repent and believe the true gospel keep it simple saints lest you be fooled by famous and influential so -called reformed leaders

Who say roman catholics are brothers and sisters in christ because of a trinitarian baptism that is nonsense and foolishness and heresy

And god rebuke it Amen to that. So pastor chuck. Uh, it's probably time to close out.

What I would like you to do Is to give gospel so, you know, there there may be catholics that are watching this right now live or we'll be watching this at some points, um in in the future as you know, this all all this stuff stays on youtube forever, so What can you say to our to our catholic friends

Well, I I would say to our catholic friends that we love you We hate roman catholicism because it's damning you and it's damned billions before you

What a nightmare So we love you. We want you to be our brothers and sisters in christ

We want to be able to pray with you We want you to be a saint not to pray to the saints, but to be a saint who can pray to god through the one mediator jesus

Christ and so we urge you to repent of roman catholicism, it is idolatry to repent of roman catholicism, it is a bastion of heresies to Place your faith in jesus christ alone fully god fully man born of the virgin

Mary crucified for sinners buried and resurrected on the third day ascended to sit at the right hand of the almighty and he sits dear friend

Because he has accomplished eternal redemption. He has obtained eternal redemption. He has to tell us that he has finished his work

So he sat down No priest can continue Christ crucifixion it is finished.

No priest can continue to make christ suffer as the victim they call him He was a victim once he is the victor forevermore

He has sat down as the victor over sin satan and death at the right hand of the father as the only mediator

Between god and the man christ jesus. You must repent of mary the co -mediatrix

She'll damn your soul. Here's what mary would say to you hear my son. Listen to my son worship my son

Mary was a sinner saved by grace through faith in jesus christ fully god fully man

Crucified for sinners buried and resurrected on the third day salvation is by grace

Alone, not our works not our merits our works are as filthy Rags as ephesians 2 8 9 says you are saved by grace through faith not of works lest anyone should boast

It's a gift of god dear friends You have nothing to boast about and rome would give us so much to boast about with its seven sacraments and then some beyond So place your faith in christ

Alone or your faith faith isn't in christ at all. You must understand that if your faith isn't in christ alone

It's not in christ at all galatians chapter 5 verse 4

Says you have become estranged from christ you who attempt to be justified by law you have fallen

From grace and so the the judaizers in galatia, they didn't deny faith in jesus christ

They had faith in jesus christ just like all of our roman catholic friends profess faith in jesus christ Here's the problem.

They had faith in jesus christ and their works and their circumcision and their dietary restrictions And the word of god is explicitly clear that faith in jesus christ plus anything

Is to be estranged from christ is to be fallen from grace And so dear roman catholic friend put your faith in the true christ not that wafer

That wafer is not jesus. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the father as the one mediator between god

Amen, put your faith in the true christ alone and his finished work Alone, not the works of the priest or the works of the church or your works

Not not your efforts at the abortion clinic, but faith in christ alone

And his finished work will save you and faith plus any works Estranges you from christ cut you off from christ it nullifies

Grace, you're out from under the grace of god and you abide under the wrath of god with all your roman catholic sacraments

With your priest your pope and your church And so flee from the church of rome flee from the pope flee from the priest flee from the sacraments flee to jesus christ and salvation through faith in him alone

We love you. We want to see you into heaven contact anthony contact andrew contact me

We'd love to talk to you more want to see you in heaven washed with the blood of the lamb

Amen to that. Thank you for that wonderful gospel presentation so uh Pastor chuck.

Thanks for joining us again tonight And uh, we look forward to having you on again, you know, the next few weeks Are filled after that i'm not sure next week pastor.

Justin pierce and canadian atheist will be speaking That um, we're gonna have a new cast on who wants to do an informal debate slash discussion about creation versus evolution

That should be fun as well And then uh, and after that, you know chuck will have to text and see uh

Maybe get me on one of those thursdays after that and continuing our discussion about rome brothers We barely scratched the surface.

So I would love to come back I know we did that pastor andrew

Yeah, I want to just chuck. Thank you again. I mean you're you you always bring so much information

Every time that you're on Yeah, just a few notes there that he's got anthony

For those that aren't watching anthony was just browsing through the pages of information that chuck had uh sent

I mean Yeah, it's how many pages is that like 30? I think it's 24 is what

I ended up printing 24. Okay. Yes He does it's not like he comes prepared. I mean just think of what it's like every sunday in church for him

Okay for me what do I cut what can I bear to cut oh Burdens my soul

The advantage there is you know, you're coming back next sunday to finish it It just so everyone knows

I I said, you know pastor chuck would be nice just give me a bullet point list. We'll uh, Of her we'll go through there

That's his bullet point 24 pages of bullet point Bullet point is what that is

Which is wonderful. So thank you for all this because we got a lot more to cover we do No, but I want to thank you guys

Um, you know, it's always good having you here chuck that the information Uh two very big topics, um want to encourage everyone to go out and vote vote for trump

Don't waste a vote. Don't vote for for socialism Uh, we need to make a statement to the leftists that America will not stand for socialism.

We need to We we need to to make a statement. The only statement they understand

Is losing big at the election box And and that's what we have to do We we got to communicate to them and the the leftist media that is no longer journalists, but activists

We need to get out and vote. So Even if you voted by mail Go in and vote because the reality is they're not going to count those votes unless they need to so You know

They're going to try to discredit trump when he wins by saying that he didn't have the popular vote

So make sure you vote for you know, so that we don't have those arguments Um, and the reality is if your mail -in ballot got lost at least you still voted

Yeah, because you you won't be able to be counted twice. They will check it against mail -in ballots

Yeah, so what you're saying is vote like a democrat vote early vote often. Yeah, that's that's basically

That's the difference we're not voting for the dead But but yeah I mean they will they will and and you know The number one search that was going on after the debate after the last debate was how do

I change my vote? The answer to that is you go in and vote in person Because that's the one that counts

Make sure that you're because you don't know if your postman said. Oh, I see a bunch of christian magazines

We'll just take that out of the out of the uh, Mail and toss it in my backyard.

I mean, you don't know but if you go in and vote It's going to count. So I want to encourage everyone to do that.

You know, it is This is probably the most important election uh, the the news says that every year every four years, but This really is this this is the difference where we're going to lose our country

If if the leftists and socialists get get in power, so I want to encourage everyone to vote uh again,

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Um, I think next week We have uh, the canadian atheist wants to come back and talk with justin

So that's going to be an interesting one he's hoping biden wins a canadian is hoping biden wins um, so Yeah, yeah

Um, I I hope that you listened I was on the canadian atheist if you listen to the rap report Um, I was on his program very interesting for those in this audience who's heard michael the canadian atheist come in here

He's been on a couple times, uh three times in fact And you'd hear him argue that we're just chemical reactions

Listen to me on his program because I asked him why he uses foul language and he's like they're just words

They're just words And then I asked him a question that suddenly he realized words have morality

Now he can't explain that in his world view It was fun to watch him squirm and he did that on his own program

So, uh, we talked about abortion amongst other things Um, also if you check out cruciform conference,

I was just got back from there Uh, I delivered two messages from there, but every message Was powerful and for for anthony and chuck you guys missed out

I literally said that I would put those speakers those messages up against shepherd's conference

It was that good They were that is was an outstanding conference talking on the holiness of god, uh pre -conference was on abortion so Go check those out.

Uh, those are nick in um, Next year the conference there is going to be on uh, since it is the 500th anniversary of um, the uh of luther's

Uh decree to here I stand well, that's going to be what it is

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