Pastor Chuck O'Neal and Dr. Silvestro discuss Politics and the Pope

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This is apologetics live to answer your questions your host from striving for eternity ministries

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All right, well we're alive

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I think we're live Good evening What I want to know is how did how did

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Andrew all of a sudden? jump in and Take over the show tonight after Chuck.

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I don't know seconds ago He wasn't here the last half hour

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Good well, you know as as we're here Thank you for being on pastor and rap reports and it's more importantly

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Thank you pastor Chuck for being on as our guest tonight again So, you know the last couple times you've done you've done shows with you

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It's it's been with a very serious topic on minds, which is Which is

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Mike Reed. I don't want to give him a designate and just Mike Reed Wait, wait has has he answered the 12 questions we've asked yet Not to me

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No, no, he hasn't and thus We're working on something no

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We got a good We are gonna try to get him to answer the questions we asked but before before you guys get started

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I know I'm gonna bow out for a little while and jump back in at different times but I just want to Introduce folks if you did not get a chance to listen to the special apologetics live that was done the other night

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It was done Thursday Tuesday night from this week that we're recording here go check out the Halloween episode

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We've got a lot of good feedback on that a lot of people who just hadn't thought through Halloween, which is coming up We're gonna be talking today

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Anthony and Chuck are gonna be talking about politics if you're still undecided in who to vote for in America Yeah, then you're either really not paying attention.

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You got your head in the sand. I don't know I'll put this out. I don't think that any Christian could vote for for Biden And I'm sure you guys are gonna make that case later

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I just don't see how but one thing I do want to say is folks if if you have found value in This ministry in this podcast that we do

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That would help us tremendously as we are Just with kovat people have been losing their jobs things like that and it has affected us and so I'm gonna

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I'm gonna pop back in later on and And Try to disrupt but and I will

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I do for the record before these two get started Just if you listen to the Halloween episode now

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I do want to lift up prayer folks for if you guys could be praying for Pastor Justin.

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He had a death in the family and that's why he's not here tonight but I Will say if you listen to the episode that Anthony and Justin did

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Well, they said they were gonna go for one hour one hour and and Anthony even started off the show

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So he's said he's gonna do an Andrew Rappaport hour, which meant an hour and they went almost to okay, so I'm just saying that I should come in it in two hours to end this because Characters will go for about five hours and go.

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Oh, is it time yet? Just saying they may go a little bit long tonight for the record

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Anthony doesn't know how to keep time and Well, Chuck's a pastor so we know he doesn't

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The yeah the Andrew our turn into an Anthony our So hold on for Anthony's I Just want everyone to recognize do you remember when you grew up in school and And you're going to school and your class just gets started and then that annoying announcer comes over Here and starts giving a name for like you're gonna you're gonna talk about the election, right?

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Prepared for the election. I'm ready Wow Impressive you like that one.

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So you don't know that Andrew moved from New Jersey. That's gonna comment on that right there Yes. Yeah, this is my ar -15.

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I can have these in my new state I've added some things since you saw it Anthony.

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I got my scope on I got a light. That looks good Tricked it up a little bit

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That's nice. Modern sporting rifle well, thank you for for popping in Andrew and and sharing and sharing that's

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Very nice. So so on that Yeah, the show the show on Tuesday night was fantastic.

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If you haven't listened to it go listen to it It really was good. Pastor Justin did a wonderful job with his research and but before we

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Talk too much about anything else we do want to get into our topics for tonight because we got a lot to cover and We were gonna talk about politics we have the election coming up in not too many days from now and then we're gonna transition at some point to Roman Catholicism and and the dangers and evils of that and I know you know pastor

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Chuck when I met you for the first time It was back. I would say three or four years ago in Dallas, Texas You had spoken at a at a

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Jeff Rose conference there and you were given the task to speak on Roman Catholicism and You know, you don't have to convince me.

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I grew up Roman Catholic It's it's something I understand all too well and We've got a number of family and friends that we have to constant that we constantly evangelize to regarding Catholicism Right.

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Oh, I really enjoyed your your sermon that day Anyway, having said that the the knowledge base that you have the the the preparation you did.

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I mean was just Phenomenal is one of the best overall sermons. That's a my wife and I either one of us had heard regarding Roman Catholicism So I'm really excited for you to be on today and and I know it's gonna spill over into at least one more show

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At least one more show to speak about the evils of Catholicism So let's let's get into this tonight a little bit

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We have a major election coming up and I know we said this four years ago, but Well, a lot has changed in four years.

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Yes, I distinctly remember Obama, you know for those of us who understood politics four years ago

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Because I think a lot of Christians have kind of left it by the wayside. They haven't really paid a lot of attention

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Four years ago in this election. We knew what was coming down the pike Obama was the first president that that we have ever seen who actually used the term progressive.

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He did this during his second term and And that's a term that's been an evil term, right? That's that's a term that the

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Democrats have wanted to stay away from all along. They've had a Marxist agenda They've they've had this for a hundred years in in their

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Within their party. It's been coming out leaking out slowly over time But there is there is an absolute outing of it

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In Obama's in Obama's presidency, especially the second term We knew it what

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Hillary was going to be bringing, you know She had a lot of baggage for a lot of other stuff on progressivism because she was using that term a lot as well

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Trump comes in shocks that shocks the world wins a presidency and We have seen nothing but Marxism ramp up continuously, especially

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Especially in the last two years and so I know this is something that you really wanted to talk about I mean, how do you view the

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Democrat Party today versus what it was say 150 years ago? Well today it appears to be a front for Marxism They and they're they're removing the facade of any historic

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Democratic Our Sense of what the party was historically that facade is falling away quickly and the the

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Marxism that is beneath is coming out And that's really what I think we've seen in these years of the

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Trump presidency is he didn't just go there and drain the swamp As far as career politicians, maybe even corrupt career politicians, but there's something else behind Them and that seems to be a flag with a hammer and a sickle on it

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Absolutely so As the Democrat Party has changed.

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I mean this is this is a real challenge for people today because from a political standpoint you know,

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I grew up in a family of Italian immigrants my dad immigrant in this country and While my dad woke up to who the

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Democrats were a lot of my family still hasn't Right, and we see this with a number of families that the

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Democrats at least on the surface seem to be for hard -working families and for protections 50 60 70 80 years ago.

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I Think looking back on history, it probably wasn't as true as they said it was

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But that's the perception. And so how do people break out of this cycle because this is what

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I'm seeing There's a number of Christians that have no problem voting for Biden There are evangelical leaders

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The David Platt's of the world who are coming out and saying that that it's okay if you if you choose between a

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Biden and a Trump. I don't know this at all Right. I don't understand it either.

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I didn't understand it over 20 years ago when I first started pastoring Frankly, and it's only gotten gotten clearer in these last 20 years

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One of the first statements I ever had to deal with as a pastor was a dear woman Who said

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I'm for the little guy pastor, and that's how she described her position as a

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Democrat and a Christian and I said But but sister if you're for the little guy, then you're for the unborn child and So even if it was true

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Even if the Democrats claims to being for the working man and the common man If all that was true, and it was going to work out financially better It was going to work out better for health care and all that was true.

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It would still Be an abominable Atrocity as far as the little man being the unborn child in the womb and the war that the

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Democratic Party has long waged Even over 20 years ago, but now it's become the party of genocide

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They they no longer Make any allusions to it They no longer allow even Democrats in their party who don't sign on to that platform of baby genocide

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Yeah, it's a really what you're saying to to the listeners. Is that this has really come down to a one a one issue

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Party right now, right? I mean these guys have have no doubt taken upon the the pro -killing in the womb position hardcore

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Yes You saw really around the world when President Trump was elected

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Women marched around the world and they they weren't marching for Feminism they were marching for abortion and and that really is what feminism has become is a human cry for Abortion not a cry for women's rights in the workplace or women's, you know opportunity to vote or something

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But women's right a woman's right to have Illicit sex outside of marriage as a rule and then to murder the child in the womb instead of raise the child

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And so how many babies have been aborted? Have been killed in the womb since Roe v.

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Wade Right that we're well over 60 million at this point in our nation since Roe v.

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Wade and globally since 1980 We're up to I think 1 .6 billion just since 1980

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And so that this is the world's greatest Genocide the world's greatest evil

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Not just in current history, but in history 1 .6 billion. I mean you're talking a world's population.

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This is a significant fraction of what today's world population is Yes billion that alarm literally everybody that's listening right now

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So pastor Chuck, why is it that that David Platt and others have no problem?

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Telling people to vote for Biden or that it's okay to vote for Biden Well, it seems the leftist agenda has come into Christ Church and hijacked our moral values and suddenly, it's like we've gotten hit in the head with a

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Bat and we no longer know up from down right from left good from evil

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And so with this social justice Teaching this critical race theory

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BLM type teaching We're distracted by the greatest evil mankind has ever known and we're focusing on evils that are wildly exaggerated for instance

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Systemic racism, of course, there are instances of racism in America and in every nation whites hating blacks blacks hating whites

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Asians hating blacks Asians hating whites whites hating Asians because we're sinners and we'll

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Use any excuse to hate our fellow man and yet systemic racism is a lie

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That's a fabrication, but it's a useful lie as far as for propagating Marxism and bringing in a new social order

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I've often asked people who are proponents of Critical race theory and other components of Marxism.

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I asked him just give me one law That's still in the books one law in America That is that shows systemic racism, right because people who don't know who haven't listened to our shows on BLM in the past systemic racism critical race theory and systemic racism say that that built within the fabric of society is racism a racism so so Indoctrinated into this country that that nobody can escape it that we are all victims within this

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We're either we're either the ones causing it's the white man or or you're a victim in it but that it's woven through the fabric of society and Again, I put the challenge out there show me one law

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I mean as far as I know the laws were all abolished back in the 1960s So it only leaves what you're saying here.

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It's not laws that are causing problems. It's a problem of the hearts Center. Yes. Yes, absolutely.

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Absolutely So We've gotten into some specifics with the

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David Platt's and the whatnots the woke Evangelical world out there and we could talk about that that that we could do a whole show on those who are compromising with the social justice movement and that would be an excellent show or series of podcasts by all means

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My heart tonight is is to talk to our brothers and sisters and one to encourage them

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In their responsibility that God has given them as Christian citizens the

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United States of America who've been gifted this incredible thing called the United States Constitution And be given the opportunity to to be part of this great government.

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That's of the people I Want them to be able to vote with a clear conscience.

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I want them to be able to vote confidently and To do so without shame

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And so that's one of the goals tonight. The other goal is to bring together brothers and sisters Who are finding some division?

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Because there are those that in my estimation are confused as to whether or not they can

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Vote and that's a new phenomenon. I think and I think you you recognize that as well a new phenomenon in these last

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Oh four five six years is that there are Christians who feel like they can no longer vote for a man unless that man is

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Jesus Christ himself Unless he's fully God and fully man and unfallen without any sin or sin nature

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They can't cast their vote for him and that's an extremism that is not healthy and not helpful

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For the fulfillment of the two greatest commandments, which is where I'd like to start and read if you don't mind

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Matthew 22 37 The Lord Jesus speaking He says you shall love the

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Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul and with all your mind This is the first and great commandment and the second is like it

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You shall love your neighbor as yourself on these two commandments hang all of the law and the prophets

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And so everything I'm gonna say today and and generally speaking everything I try to say About politics flows from those commands because everything we do and everything we say is supposed to flow from those two commandments

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They are the summation of righteousness the summation of the law, but in particular when we're talking politics

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I think there's a direct line to this law of God that everything we do everything we support everything we vote for should be a reflection of our love of our

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Lord and the love of our neighbor as Ourself and so that's that's my starting point.

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I know it's your starting point. Yeah, I just wanted to state it tonight and then beneath that I Want to state that God is sovereign

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Christ is King preaching. The gospel is our priority Voting matters and Then none of those statements nullifies the other so I see a lot of bullet points thrown out in the

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Internet world and even just in conversation God is sovereign as if voting doesn't matter

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Christ is King as if voting doesn't matter Preaching the gospel is our priority as if voting doesn't matter as if if you vote, you know

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You took 30 minutes out of your life And you should have been sharing the gospel

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What what I find interesting is that a lot of the a lot of the people sadly a lot of it comes from the abolitionists

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They they will say that That they can't understand why we should why we should vote because God is sovereign, right?

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God's gonna his leader in any way, but then why are you outside of abortion mills? Exactly, right.

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I mean shouldn't it be the same excuse? Yes, God is sovereign and God has a means in his sovereignty that he works out his sovereign will with God is sovereign

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But if I don't feed my children, they'll starve God is sovereign But if we don't preach the gospel, how are they here without a preacher?

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And so the Lord has a means that he condescends to use in his sovereignty to bring about events including including the abolition of abortion

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And so God is sovereign. Amen And in his sovereignty he uses men to bring about his will

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Christ is King. Amen, and Christ will return and he'll rule and reign and right now he rules and reigns through you and I through every

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Christian And ultimately he rules over all events. He's working all things according to the counsel of his will

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Ephesians 1 11 So he is King. Amen, and as our King he would have us to love our neighbor as ourself and so when it comes to politics, we want to look at the issues at hand and figure out

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What vote to cast based upon how is it going to affect our neighbors? How is it going to?

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Bring about righteousness and how is it going to bring about prosperity and how is it going to bring about? What is so commonly spoken of human flourishing in the truest biblical sense?

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And then preaching the Gospels are priority by all means by all means but most political issues pretty clearly come back to moral issues that flow directly from the law the moral law of God and So the law is a tutor to bring men to Christ to be justified by faith and when it comes to abortion

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Of course, you shall not murder Exodus 2013 directly flowing from the law of God And so when we're talking politics, we're not just talking politics.

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We're talking Bible. We're talking morality. We're talking God's law We're talking what will glorify

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God and free us to glorify God free us to minister the gospel So that God his sovereignty might redeem all those for whom

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Christ has died Amen, so let's back up for a moment Chuck Should every should every

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Christian vote do they have a responsibility to vote? I firmly believe yes, every

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Christian should vote Because again God has given us a unique system in which we live we have not just the right but the privilege and Responsibility to cast that vote for righteousness to cast that vote for the the love of God and the love of Neighbors, so just to sit it out is

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Irresponsible. It's unloving to the Lord. It's unloving to our neighbor just to sit it out

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It's apathy because this is the means by which God Uses in this country that we are placed in right?

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Yes. Let's see This is means so so we should get out and vote based on on that Well, and I would say some of those argue

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Christ is King and and that we're not under an earthly King And so we're not commanded. We're not required to vote

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And what I would say is we're under Christ the King who says to love the Lord and love our neighbor

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So we're required to exercise the freedom God has providentially given us and thus the responsibility

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God has given us to vote to Actively love

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God and love neighbor. I put out a bullet point. It's kind of an advertisement for our discussion tonight the second one was that loving

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God doesn't exclude loving your wife as The greatest wife in the planet or loving your nation is the greatest nation on the planet

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Or make one an idolater when they do and that's another common

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Mistake I hear out there common position that it's erroneous To say that if you if you love your nation if you're a patriot

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Anthony Then you're an idolater What is love of nation it's like the love of your wife

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I love my wife because she's the greatest wife on the planet I love my nation and I could I could argue that point, but I won't

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That'd be a true debate and we don't want to get ugly But I love my nation and I will argue that it's the greatest nation on the planet because in God's providence is the freest nation on the planet where we're free to serve the

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Lord according to our conscience as Enlightened by the Word of God where we're free to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ see the shining sea and even in an unprecedented way around the globe because of our

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American citizen and Citizenship and the influence of America We we have the ability to travel the globe with protections that extend well beyond our borders so that we might carry that gospel forth and and so There's no nation around the world that people are trying to break into like the

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United States of America to get these freedoms to live according to their own conscience This is this is an unprecedented gift from God.

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And so I say without apology It's a greatest nation on the planet. I am a patriot and that's not idolatry

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It's recognizing God's gift and to not recognize that as foolishness and I would just counsel some of our brothers and sisters

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They need to travel the world a little bit. They need to go over to Somalia. They need to go over to the

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Middle East They need to go over to Africa. They need to go to Asia anywhere. I've traveled the world.

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I've been to Europe I've been to Australia. I've been to Asia. I've been to the Middle East I've been to Africa and there was no place on the planet like the

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United States of America where we have the freedom and the protections and the rights

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That enable us to serve the Lord freely to raise our children up in the faith to propagate the faith to love

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God and love neighbor actively without hindrance and so to take that for granted to belittle that To say that that's idolatry.

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That's folly version on foolishness And I would just urge my brothers and sisters to rejoice in the gift that God has given them

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And as a Marine, how did I travel the world? Well, I've traveled some as a Christian preaching the gospel But before that I traveled as a

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Marine and I was preaching the gospel then as well But but traveling to these countries that are war -torn traveling to these countries

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That don't enjoy the peace That we enjoy peace through superior firepower is a very real thing and it's part of what we

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Enjoy here, and and I'm very thankful for those who served our nation before me for those who suffered and died

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To provide these freedoms to protect these freedoms to maintain these freedoms I'm very thankful that God has been pleased to largely use

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America as a force for good To propagate freedom to hold evil men in check around the globe.

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Now, we don't always use the power that we have Effectively or responsibly depending upon who's in the

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White House and who's leading the ship but overall the Lord has used America and even the

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Marine Corps specifically as a as a force and readiness is the police force around the planet

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And we're seeing today With the the Democratic Marxist uprising we're seeing the lawlessness is flowing from that worldview as they would burn the

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Constitution And unleash their their BLM and Tifa Shock troops in our streets even as we saw in Philadelphia what yesterday day before That's the alternative that's the alternative we're we're seeing the demise of America come through the

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Democratic Party and again the love of God and love of neighbor on so many levels

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I stand against that as a patriot Loving God loving neighbor recognizing this incredible thing called

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America that flows from the Constitution that God's good Providence gave us and so I value these things and I would teach others to value them as well

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You know, I what it what amazes me when you talk about God's providence in us being in this country and us protecting what we have a lot of guys that have been very critical within the reform circles been critical about Facebook in in blocking stories in sometimes

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Suspending their accounts, right and they're crying and whining about a company

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Closing them out for a period of time But yet they argue against Christians going and voting

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Yes Yes Again, it's folly verging on foolishness, you know voting doesn't matter and yet this hue and cry for these rights

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Voting doesn't matter or voting does matter but you can't vote for these guys because they're both corrupt. Neither of them are perfect choices and so Just just sit it out and vote for someone who can't possibly win and what's the result of that evil will prevail?

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So Let's talk about this a little bit because right now how many how many choices

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I mean, let's be let's be real Let's be realistic in this how many choices do we actually have for presidents?

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I mean the way the system is right now It's a two -party system, right people vote. It's a party system the

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The only way somebody becomes elected president States is they have to have the backing of a party today

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I mean even Trump who ran kind of as a pseudo -independence Had the R behind his name in order to be able to run and win that election four years ago not to mention many billions of dollars and a lot of popularity and people know who the guy was but But I mean in reality how many people can be elected this election?

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There's four there's four candidates that that we know of right? We see Joe Biden. We see

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Donald Trump we see Joe Jorgensen and we see Um Tom hofling, right?

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So these are the four we see out here. How many of them can actually win this election? I only see two candidates

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Because there are only two that can win So it's it's Joe Biden or President Donald Trump That's it.

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Those are your choices and it's quite clear at this point and I speak with compassion For those that have been confused but only so much compassion because I love the

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Lord and I love neighbor more than the individual Who at this point is if they're confused, they're suppressing truth and unrighteousness and by confused

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I mean if they're still thinking that as a Christian they can vote for the Democrat whether it's the presidential candidate or Congress or the house or whatever it is quite clear at this point that the

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Democratic Party is the party of Satan and I say that without equivocation without any kind of apology

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The Democratic Party is the party of Satan Christians don't vote for the party of Satan false converts vote for the party of Satan apostates vote for the party of Satan Christ enemies vote for the party of Satan and and let's let's think about that.

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It may have been less clear a few decades ago But now it's an obvious Irrefutable fact that a vote for the

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Democratic candidate is a vote for Satan's anti Christ anti Bible anti gospel anti church anti marriage anti family anti unborn baby anti America anti Constitution anti Freedom Party and Sometimes we have seemingly big -hearted brothers that will come along and say, you know but there are

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Christians who ignorantly vote for Democrats and I'm not that big hearted in the sense that I see that as Detrimental to those individuals that are suppressing truth and unrighteousness

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It's not loving to play along with that rather We need to blow the whistle on that and say actually everyone at this point knows that the

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Democratic Party is the party of baby genocide Everybody at this point knows the Democratic Party is the party of the radical homosexual agenda to pervert our children it's the party of child perversion

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The party that would take away parental rights and has in the state of Oregon and other states where if your child

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Identifies himself or herself as the opposite sex. The state will actually take your child if the child so wills

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This is an underage child. Take your child and give your child a sex change against your will

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That is Beyond evil and that's a Democratic Party That's as of what a week and a half ago

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Joe Biden said I'm quoting from Al Mohler's recent article.

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Let's see here Yeah, I mean as you're looking there's there's no doubt that here it is stand for is the opposite of what

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Christ taught but go ahead Yeah Al Mohler writes on the issues such as transgender revolution

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Which will shape the entire society Biden went so far in a recent town hall appearance that he said he would support

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Transgender demands all the way to supporting transgender transition among eight and ten -year -old children

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Quote there should be zero discrimination eight and ten -year -old children

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This is beyond evil It is the party of Satan and Joe Biden is running to be the head of the party of Satan in the most powerful seat on the planet not just our nation

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But on the planet the most influential position in the world as the United States as the president of the

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United States of America, and so Christians need to stand up with with not a Not a hand wringing boy.

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I'm just not sure what I should do. I'm gonna vote I suppose for President Trump is a lesser of two evils

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But to vote with strength and clarity to as I've heard some say and I've read some writing they would crawl over glass a thousand miles to vote for President Trump at this point because the issues have become so clear the

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Parties have become so distinct If you don't mind good,

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I mean and there's no doubt I mean if anybody sits back and watches Trump for four years is is he a perfect person?

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No, does he have a foul mouth at times? Yes, he does The list can go on in terms of his sins.

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Of course, the list can go on for all of our sins today But having said that have we seen a president in our lifetime?

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That has protected the Christian worldview as good as him or anywhere close No No, it's actually been astounding to the shock of everyone and I I referenced dr.

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Mueller's article And let me say that dr. Mueller and I have not always seen eye -to -eye on issues

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He and I have conversed directly at times over his support of the

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Manhattan Declaration a compromise of the gospel with the Church of Rome over his support of the

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LGBT agenda In in his Southern Baptist Association there

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But and at this point he has departed from Pastor MacArthur and the Shepherds Conference is a division there because dr.

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Mueller stood with Dr. Russell Moore and his woke social justice agenda traffic tragedy

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There for dr. Mueller. I prayed and prayed and urged him and held his hand at that last

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Shepherds Conference as I shook his hand I didn't let go and urged him to stand resolute

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But a necessary split resulted all that to say Even though dr.

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Mueller has has cited it would seem with the woke crowd in the evangelical world

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He wrote this article on October 26. Just a few days ago and It it opens up a bit weak, but it finishes pretty strong.

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He says this by 2016 the Democratic Party had eliminated all meaningful opposition to Unconditional abortion rights and demanded the taxpayers be coerced into paying for abortion the

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Republican Party defined abortion as the killing of unborn human being and Called for an affirmation of the sanctity of human life

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So he he draws a a clear distinction between the parties one went far left toward rampant baby murder and genocide and one

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Recognized and celebrated the life of the unborn and sought to limit limit abortion now not a full abolitionist position but a

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Recognition of the humanity of the unborn child and limitations therefore put on abortion now

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I would say that that our rulers Writing is understated there as far as the differences, but he goes on to say

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I didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2016 and most of you will remember that. Dr.

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Mueller was an outspoken never Trump or like so many were He continues repulsed by his character and unable to see him as a conservative.

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I voted for neither party candidate I made a symbolic vote. I had to hope that Hillary Clinton would not be elected president

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But it seemed almost determined as we now know It was not having argued loudly for the resignation of President Bill Clinton on a national television

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On national television many times in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky affair

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I felt that I could not vote for Donald Trump without hypocrisy I even went so far as to say that if I voted for Donald Trump, I would have to apologize to Bill Clinton Well, I am voting for Donald Trump in 2020 says dr.

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Mueller and I make no apology to Bill Clinton now hear this. This is good. He says I do

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Apologize but my apology is for making a dumb Statement that did not stand the test of time and I say kudos to dr

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Mueller for owning a dumb statement. May we all follow that example? We all are capable of making them and the never

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Trump position Was ultimately a bad bad position and many statements made out of that position out of that conviction

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We're frankly just dumb and I appreciate his humility and recognizing that he goes on to say

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I'm not about to apologize to Bill Clinton who stands guilty of having desecrated the presidency by his gross sexual immorality

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While still in office, I still believe in the necessity of character for public office But I've had to think more deeply about how character is evaluated in a his in a historic context

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Bear with me a little longer here. He goes on when it came to Donald Trump in 2016 I made note of his pro -life promises

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Especially with reference to the federal courts culminated in the Supreme Court as a conservative

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Christian I have lived through decades of frustration and heartbreak as the nation's highest court transformed itself into a super Legislature inventing newly declared rights at the expense of human dignity and ordered

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Liberty But I doubted that Donald Trump meant to fulfill his promises. I was wrong

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He says as I told the New Yorker in an article that was just published Quote, he actually did what he said he'd do adding.

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It's the oddest thing Now that was my argument and I think your argument as well

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Anthony was that look Hillary Clinton has sworn to protect abortion quote rights up to birth and beyond She's the first presidential candidate to ever ever stand up in the light of day

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She did it in the middle of a debate and say that she supports partial birth the atrocity the horror of partial birth

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Abortion and So we knew she was telling the truth now Donald Trump said I once was pro -abortion now.

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I'm pro -life I've had a change of heart and a change of mind and I'm gonna stand as a pro -life president upon those

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Convictions we didn't know for certain that he was telling the truth, but we did know Hillary was and so the choice was clear.

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There was no question He goes on He goes on after saying

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I was wrong It's the oddest thing the candidate who had been pro -abortion became pro -life

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I have no means of reading Donald Trump's heart on this is issue But I can easily evaluate his actions in terms of presidential action

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Donald Trump has been the most effective and consequential pro -life president of the modern age furthermore in both executive actions and court appointments

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President Trump has gone far beyond what would have been politically necessary to secure his base

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He has staked his place in history and has defied the accommodationist temptation and has given pro -life

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Americans more than any other President in April. I said in public what was implicit in my commentary and action since January 2017

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I would vote for Donald Trump in 2020 and I already have I appreciate

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Dr. Mueller coming out and boldly saying I've already have I've done it and doing so without apology

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I sincerely hope that Donald Trump and not Joe Biden will be elected president of the United States on November 3rd, and then he looks at the flip side

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Just consider the fact that Biden a Biden Harris administration would be by any honest account the most pro -abortion political force in American history and That's a fact

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The lines are drawn. It is black and white. It's not obscure It's not a question and Everyone knows it unless they're living under a rock and so we can't have this big -hearted idea that we can lend

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Seeming grace to professing Christians who want to vote for Joe Biden because of their personal views or their

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BLM views or their Social justice confusion

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The Word of God doesn't allow for that kind of confusion. You shall not murder Cuts right through it.

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Love your neighbor as yourself cuts right Through it and we can't participate as Christians in the most horrific genocide in the history of the world 60 million plus Americans murdered since Roe vs.

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Wade and Counting Yep, that's right You know

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And I remember doing shows on this and and I was one of the lone people out there doing this four years ago in the summer before before Wayne Grudem came out before John McArthur came out we talked about this the other night and I got hammered by some people

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Yeah, well those guys came in but one of the biggest arguments I made was in regards to the protection of the

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Christian worldview And why did I think that because we go back to the First Amendment? You talk about being a patriot

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I don't know of any bigger Patriot on a national scene right now than just then Donald Trump And he's ready for years

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And if you say you're gonna protect the First Amendment if we're gonna protect Constitution You're protecting the

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First Amendment which gives religious freedom freedom the press freedom of lots of good stuff all of which protects the

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Christian worldview and and so to me I I Take that as my as I as my main frame

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It's because you you brought up a lot of things here We as Christians have an ability to operate quite freely in this country why because the

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Constitution of this country that God is sovereign and gave this country to us and providentially put us here to be able to preach his gospel

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We also see that he's made this country a very wealthy country enabling us to have the means

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Yes, go out and preach the gospel within this country and throughout the world This is this is astounding.

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What what God has given us here. What a gift and it's not an accident. It's in Providence Providence right?

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That's right. It's Providence And so we have that and so in understanding that part of it being a patriot and protecting the

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Constitution I was convinced that Trump was going to be somebody to protect the Constitution in the court system as well

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Yes, and and we made the argument what what happens if he has the ability because we are estimating one to two

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Supreme Court justices Would become vacant during his first four years. Yes.

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Yeah, and that he'd be able to fill him Little did we know that we were gonna get a gift Yes, there's three and look

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I don't wish anybody to be dead No, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is one of the most vile evil people on this planet was one of the most vile evil people in any

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Court ever in this country with her with her Radical positions.

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She was a Marxist before Marxism was cool She was it was a baby killer before a lot of people understood what baby killing was in the womb

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She was there from the very beginning and all of this stuff And so the fact is that Trump got to got to replace one -third of the

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Supreme Court justices What's heard of them and and there are three of the four most conservative justices we have on the

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Supreme Court Not only did he do that We have over 300 federal judges that are conservative that he put in through your courts around the country

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Phenomenal in terms of what he has done In fact, he may have even changed the court more than we know because we know

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Justice Roberts who was appointed by George W Bush and made you know the chief

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Okay, because for political reasons he didn't want to have to go to the Senate to get another confirmation on Clarence Thomas But here's the really interesting thing with that Justice Roberts seems to always want to go with the majority and as the chief justice

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It means he gets to write the majority view and he gets to put that out there and he's he's the one that's writing that however

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Now if it's a 5 -4 vote Conservative it is

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Clarence Thomas who will be writing the majority opinion There is thought that you because when

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Clarence Thomas writes the majority even when he writes the minority It's so clear and definitive that there's there's

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Issues there for the for the liberals that have problems if he's now writing the the majority

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He's he's gonna be able to have a lot more say there is thought that Justice Roberts may actually go with the majority just so he can write the majority opinion

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So we may end up with a 6 -3 vote Because of this which is a crazy way to think maybe but I'll tell you what

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I don't trust John Roberts and what he has Done this year through this kovat stuff and some of the rulings he's put forward.

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They've all been against the Christian worldview. They've all been Against America. I I don't trust him either

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But I do trust human nature in the sense that no one lives in a vacuum that iron sharpens iron do not be deceived evil company corrupts good character, but but also conservative company

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We tend to get blown by the wind that's around us and there's a conservative wind blowing through the court

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And my prayer is that Amy Coney Barrett who is not a Christian, but she gets her biblical worldview

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From obviously the Bible she gets her morality from the scriptures On many many issues as a

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Roman Catholic And so my my hope and prayer is the Lord will be pleased to use Yes, even a

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Roman Catholic But use her to bring a more conservative wind there

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And if anyone in our culture has a voice today, it is a woman as Miss Ginsberg made quite a

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Good use of my prayer is that for righteousness? for truth for the

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Constitution for the defense of our nation that Amy Coney Barrett will will labor effectively to that end and Influence some of these men that have really been weak

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As justices and and also I want to say in defense of President Trump's appointments They've not always proven to be as conservative as we'd like even in some recent decisions

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But President Trump listened to the experts around him Who assured him these were conservative men men who would stand for the

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Constitution men that would stand for? It as it was written and not rewrite it the original intent and men that were

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Pro -life and it would stand up for the unborn and that thus far has not Proven to be as clear as we'd like and again,

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I pray that with some time here There'll be a revival of soul and beyond that I pray for their repentance and saving faith and that the

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Bible will truly be written upon their heart and The law of the Lord will become manifest in the laws that they support

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But one further thing final thing I would say about Supreme Court is we have Justice Stephen Breyer who is 82 years of age

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We have we have some real expectation that that he could end up being replaced as well in these next four years and so that would be a tremendous

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Wouldn't that be unbelievable? For yes, well, I'll tell you what I'm I kind of think, you know, all the

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Democrats now that Are now claiming that well population has grown. We should add more justices.

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I said this on Facebook I really think that Trump should just come out publicly and say he he agrees with the

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Democrats He supports that and he's gonna add five more justices watch them explode

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Yes, they would freak out and he's going from agreeing with you you said we should add more

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I want to add more now Yes, right. That's what you should do right after he's sworn in And then pull back and not actually do it but uh, right

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He should he should announce it now so that they have to like so that they're on record saying no

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That would be a bad thing. Oh Brilliant yes So Andrew before you go anywhere,

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I this is a good natural breaking spot. I'd like to bring Nick I'd like to bring Nick it ask his question to you guys

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Regarding what he was reading. So I'm gonna have him in for just a moment. They're gonna get right back to politics Because it's an apologetics show

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We we never want to to stop some masses That is the purpose of the show is to have people come in and ask questions

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It is So so Nick well the show and I understand well, you know

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Luke Wayne who's one of the main writers for Matt Slick's karm Yeah, and and I think you've got a question for either pastor

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Chuck or myself for all of us. Yeah. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay, perfect So yeah, we can okay perfect.

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So as I was reading just through my typical study on my lunch breaks at work I Said that the men of Babylon made these nations right like the

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Abbott's Nehubbaz Tatarach the Sarovites and all these people basically

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Worshipping those gods of Babylon, so they're burning their children and all this other stuff but then it also talked about that they feared the

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Lord and Also served these other false gods And then it goes through how it says that they do this still to this day

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However, the Lord made a covenant and told them you shall fear no of their gods and so forth and as you go through the text right at the end

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Again, it concludes with saying that these nations feared the Lord and also revered the carved images

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The children did likewise the children's children's and so forth. Um, so I guess my question was And maybe

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I'm not understanding the text. But how is it that they were also fearing the

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Lord, right? And also doing these detestable abominable things right that God would have horror

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Because I guess I'm just looking at it Through the lens of 1st John where it says if we walk in Darkness and say that right we know the

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Lord that we're a liar. The truth is not in us So that's kind of my question. Does that make sense? Yeah, and the the text is 2nd

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Kings 17 30 to 41 Looking at it now and I'm trying, you know,

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I don't know that I have a ready answer Without doing a little bit of research. I don't know if Chuck see him digging into his

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Bible there You know, so so part of the things

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I don't want to give an answer that I haven't researched and and this is son I haven't studied before Yeah, that's a very specific question a good question rather very specific one

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Off -the -cuff like Andrew not not having studied freshly through 2nd

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Kings 17 30 to 41 I can't say dogmatically

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But what it would seem is if and you're right about 1st John, of course in its application to individuals

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So an individual can't be both honoring worshipping loving the Lord and Holiness and be committing these abominations

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Worshipping idols and so forth simultaneously, but a nation is made up of many Individuals and so it would seem off -the -cuff here that that may be a good explanation of it where you have like in America You have idolaters you have rabid baby murderers you have this this homosexual movement that is

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Rejecting even what God created them to be as male and female And then you also have praise

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God genuine Christians who love the Lord and love righteousness And so you could make a similar statement about America today right now

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There there's a revival of reformed solid biblical faith And men and women who are seemingly willing to die for and there's also a revival of Open Satanism where when you go out and preach the true gospel people are responding with hail

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Satan So you in a nation you can have both going on Simultaneously, and so that might be with again without digging into it specifically that yeah

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I was thinking a similar thing and I'm just backing up You know through the whole chapter here and seeing that this whole chapter is dealing with the

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Assyrians Because of the the idolatry of the northern tribes of Israel the

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Assyrians came in The one of the things with the Assyrians that is is different is they came in to a land and Because they didn't want people speaking the same language having the same community to be able to rise up against Assyria they would pick people up and move them all over their

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Empire And in doing so it it broke up some of the commonality and people had to learn to get along with with their new neighbors

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So one of the effects of that was Israel was displaced all over the

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Assyrian Empire and they there were those within Israel that would still be fearing

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God so I think at a Cursory view without having done study, so I'm prefacing it that way

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I think The first view is similar that I'd have is similar to Chuck's Looking at the context.

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I'm seeing that this is These nation, you know Israel along with these other nations were displaced and and moved around So you have the nations as you read in verse 41

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So the nation's feared the Lord and also served their carbon images It seems that it's speaking of all these these new areas where people were there would be called the nation

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You know, they'd have the nation that was Israel even though they just moved in Babylonians and and all these others that that were mentioned there

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It would still be called the nation of Israel now There were some that would worship and fear God and some who wouldn't so I guess that would be without doing further study

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The best of an answer I could give That's actually kind of where I was leaning towards even before I'm gone today and so Okay, you guys both say that So not to contradict myself

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Or Andrew and I probably should just shut up Having taken just a few moments to read through the text

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But it would seem that this is a perverted fear as now I'm able to read the text in its entirety

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So like in verse 32, so they feared the Lord and then and then from every class

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They appointed for themselves priests of the high places who sacrificed them in the shrine to the high places which God of course it forbidden

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Verse 33 they feared the Lord yet. They served their own gods. And so it's a perverted

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Fear, I would say kind of like what we see with Christians who claim or professing

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Christians who claim to fear the Lord But are voting for Joe Biden today and tomorrow the next day

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Contrary to everything God has commanded. So they claim to fear God and yet they're supporting everything God that Condemns, so it's more of a claim.

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It's a perverted fear. Maybe it's a fear amongst The gods and they fear

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God like a God amongst gods as they continue to serve These idols because verse 34 to this day.

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They continue practicing the former rituals They do not fear the Lord and so that's the reality and then verse 35

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You shall not fear other gods nor bow down to them nor serve them and sacrifice them So what they claim to fear

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God But it was a perverted fear and They continued to fear other gods and they get rebuked forward and told to cease that and then verse 39

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But the Lord your God you shall fear and he will deliver you from the hand of all

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Your enemies and so that's the final word on it. So that's the real fear of God That doesn't involve fearing other gods nor bowing down to them nor serving them

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But fearing the one true God alone, which kind of takes us to the Reformation sola

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Fide, you know faith alone Christ alone solus Christus We fear him alone.

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We have faith in him alone, and if it's not alone Then then you're an idolater

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If it's not alone Then you're engaging in some form of works righteousness.

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And so we must fear God Alone and not these other gods

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Just add to looking up what MacArthur says on it Interesting on in verse 33 where it says serve their own gods.

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He references the fact that the Samaritans religion you know basically was one that would

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Bring in and combined all the elements of worship of the practices of the other gods around them

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Including the Syrian settlers that were there and so I guess he would he would say that yes

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There's those that are worshiping but part of their religion is the worship of the true God But we'll pull in worship of calves will pull in the

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Syrian worship. Whatever whatever we need to pull in Let's go to Mount Sinai in our minds

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We will be going there, you know those that are going to Israel soon Well when the

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Israelites first arrived Moses goes up in the mountain They hear the voice of God and they say ah, we're gonna die you go.

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We don't want to hear us We die so you go on our behalf then when Moses is up on the mountain They make a calf and they worship the calf as God So they feared

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God and yet they worshipped an idol at the foot of the mountain while Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments Which includes you should not worship idols.

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And so that's the kind of fear of God. We're seeing here in 17 it's it's not a genuine

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Self -effect fear. It's a fear mixed in with idolatry Yeah, I can see that and I actually liked how you

01:00:52

I mean it kind of fits into the conversation tonight, right the whole even how the

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Christian Church, there's a lot of Just fallacies going on bending to the cultural

01:01:03

Your size is relevant, but also wanting them to hold their cake and eat it too, so to speak, right?

01:01:09

Yeah, no that thing that was very helpful. I'm glad that I could answer it and I do have one question though and in regards to When you first opened up this show about the the left being the party of genocide

01:01:27

And I agree with that completely like it's it's blatantly obvious to me Especially as I look at history and I look at other communist countries like that's what follows, right?

01:01:37

Right, they single out a majority in this case. It's started with babies, but I I'm encouraged that you guys are talking about this tonight because I think that's something that Christians should be think about Should be thinking about if they were going to vote for Biden.

01:01:53

Let's say or they're thinking about it. They're on the fence Just imagine what would happen if he got in power and they're a party of genocide and they've made that very clear and We see with BLM and Antifa and other groups

01:02:11

They're targeting the church, right? Because Marxism is all about anti God I've been learning about that over the past couple months

01:02:20

And so who would be the next item or not item, but the next candidate for genocide, right?

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It would be those who oppose Them so really it would be the church at that point

01:02:33

Because we're struggling with the issue of should we vote or not vote because we can't vote for this guy

01:02:39

But after getting advice from our pastor, he just told us to really look at the platforms

01:02:44

Not the characters and so forth and that's something that we realize like are we going to give up our freedom as Christians?

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and possibly end up as a target of violence just for you know being

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Christians or You know, or do we not vote and then when that does happen

01:03:02

God forbid Then we feel the remorse of that and have to deal with that. So that's that's weighing heavy so I guess my question would be how long do you think that would be before that took place if Biden got into office just given the escalation of things

01:03:22

Probably really quick. I mean they're doing their best now to intimidate churches and intimidate

01:03:27

Christians But you brought up something. I want to make sure we were very clear about this you brought up the idea of free

01:03:33

Christians and freedom and there has there has been a Strawman argument flowing around by some

01:03:40

Christians and saying that that's we idolize freedom That's not true

01:03:47

Pastor Chuck and I and Andrew and others are not saying here sitting here saying that we idolize freedom

01:03:53

What we're saying is that we appreciate the freedom that God has providentially given us by providentially putting this into this country

01:04:00

That is free for us to be able to preach the gospel Because we have a whole lot more freedom here to do that than if we were in China or Saudi Arabia or other areas

01:04:08

And so it's I want to make sure that was really clear for everybody listening in terms of what freedom is

01:04:15

As far as you know, let pastor Chuck or Andrew answer this as well It's it is clear there's been an assault on Christianity there's an assault on the one true

01:04:25

God of This world there's an assault on the moral law. There's assault on on everything we stand for as Christians Because as you said

01:04:35

Marxism is anti God Karl Marx was anti the Christian God And so yeah, of course, this is an attack and and you see it escalating now the moment a

01:04:46

Democrat gets in It's gonna happen at some point here. I it's not gonna happen I don't believe it's gonna happen next week, but the moment it does happen.

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It's gonna change the face of America quickly You know, there's some riots going on this week in in Philly Because that's how peaceful they do things

01:05:05

One of the results is they burned a church Vietnamese Church down to the ground If you listen to what they're chanting when they're marching on these streets

01:05:17

They're chanting against Christians against Christ Even though the the

01:05:23

Black Lives Matter have changed their goals. I understand. I haven't gone to their website again They've removed the things we were criticizing about the fact that they are

01:05:32

They want everything that is furthering the destruction of the black family and the black community, right?

01:05:40

Yeah, well they want that They're they want to do we want

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Structure they want an end to the nuclear family And and this has been hurting them because there's a lot of blacks who are going

01:05:56

That's what's causing the problems Right, and so there's way too many that are waking up and starting to realize that Black Lives Matter is not for black lives it's for it's for Marxism and One of the things you end up seeing though is the thing that they need to do is eliminate the church

01:06:17

That's the thing So I posted the article about this church being burned down and said if you want to vote for Biden Your church is next because this is where it's gonna go.

01:06:27

You just look at history This you know when socialists come in they don't get along with the church

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The church is the first enemy they target Because why because we'd stand up and say there's an absolute truth and there's something that counts more than this world

01:06:47

BLM is fundamentally anti Christ even before it's Marxist It's anti Christ and every moral issue it supposedly stands for it's actually immoral

01:06:56

But but they're all anti Christ issues every single one of them including their

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Marxism And and so it's an enemy to Christ Therefore we are an enemy to it because we love

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Christ and because we love People and when you when you see pastors at BLM rallies

01:07:16

It's just mind -boggling here in Portland that one of the largest churches in Portland is just up the street from us Interrupt you there

01:07:22

Chuck In the club commander because he's obviously reading a great book. I could see from the back of the book.

01:07:29

He's reading a great book There what do they believe? He's he's preparing for your talk on Roman Catholicism.

01:07:35

I just Available, it's thriving fraternity org Everybody knows a secret how you get into commercial break camera is is just hold up Andrews book

01:07:48

Beeline to bring you on so you fast -track now. I know what I'll do next time You'd have been on much earlier

01:07:57

Andrews books Yeah, it's it's

01:08:02

Astonishing that we have pastors actually showing up at BLM rally Supporting it and then putting their pictures up on their social media

01:08:12

Proudly at the BLM rally while BLM rioters are in the streets saying blank you

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Jesus That's their chant. Yeah, so would it be like an over because I'm pretty blunt and I'm one of the guys that's like pull your head out of the sand.

01:08:30

It's not all roses and rainbows, right? but this is something that my wife kind of cautions me on because I feel like I can be a little too harsh well, she feels that I can be too harsh, but Example with what you just brought up like my mind immediately

01:08:45

Because at this point I feel especially as a pastor. You can't be ignorant of what they're about I did makes no sense to me.

01:08:52

Well for others. Well, no point that Just say that I mean

01:08:58

Through this God's just exposing who the Wolves truly are and like who the apostates are and it's kind of weeding out the church

01:09:06

That's how I feel about it. Yeah, so angry keep in mind that with any of these socialist groups

01:09:13

They always come up with a slogan that sounds good So people can't argue against it because if you say you disagree if black lives matter the organization

01:09:23

Oh, you want blacks to be dead? No, there's two totally different things

01:09:29

The fact that black lives matter the organization doesn't care about black lives Because they're still supporting the the one biggest killer of black lives abortion

01:09:41

Okay, so they're they're not complaining about not being killed during black lives matter

01:09:47

Yeah, they passionately support abortion, correct? so So the thing is is that when you when you look at this they're gonna have a slogan that sounds so good

01:10:00

So you either have pastors that don't care? They just want they want to be liked by their culture or they lack so much discernment that they don't understand the difference between the slogan and the organization

01:10:15

But the reality is what you do is just tell people go look at Venezuela. That's not that long ago

01:10:22

Venezuela you know under the Clinton years and even the

01:10:27

Bush years was a thriving economy. And where is it now? Within 20 years.

01:10:35

They they don't have electricity It's it's turned off it. Well, you know much of the day they're begging for food.

01:10:42

They're fighting on the streets for food My prediction is these very people that are that are protesting for black lives matter today in 10 years

01:10:50

We'll be fighting on the streets for bread Because that's what socialism brings

01:10:56

And and to someone's point in the comments that made a point that said their prediction is that you know

01:11:01

Trump wins the riots are gonna continue. That's probably true but we don't sit there and say we're not gonna vote for for a good candidate because we're afraid of the riots because the

01:11:13

Reality is you have the choice between someone who's gonna fight against This critical race theory, which

01:11:20

Trump has shown he's doing he's he's making it, you know, he's getting rid of it in all federal government

01:11:26

Can you do enough in four more years? No It's gonna it's taken a long time to get

01:11:32

America turned on this path is you're not gonna change it in eight years And unfortunately

01:11:37

Trump is not like Trump is more has legislated more conservatively than Reagan But what

01:11:44

Reagan did better was Reagan raised up a generation of conservatives He taught what conservatism is and that's what

01:11:52

Trump fails to do. So will there be more protests? Yeah there will be but I would rather have someone who's gonna put a stop to the protests and Fight against them and fight for liberty and and freedom rather than give in and vote for some third candidate

01:12:08

Who's never gonna win? Just so that you can have Biden say well we won't riot we're just gonna hand the country over to them

01:12:15

That's right. So Nicholas, thank you for coming on today and let's get you back on again soon

01:12:20

Because some of these topics would be wonderful for us to go over more In light of when the election happens and when

01:12:28

I do believe Trump's gonna win big And we're gonna see all kinds of protests and marchers in the streets

01:12:34

This is gonna bring up a whole new topic of discussion in terms of how churches

01:12:40

Pastors and Christians need to respond to it. So thank you for for coming on asking those questions

01:12:45

Yeah, thanks for having me on and yeah, definitely if you start talking those topics, I would love to chime in.

01:12:51

So, all right We'll do that. Thank you. Yeah So pastor

01:12:57

Chuck so, you know, I I don't want to lose a lot of time because we

01:13:02

The two -hour now now again, I I'm not worried about doing

01:13:07

Andrews two hours if we do in Anthony two hours, I'm completely fine

01:13:13

Anthony doesn't know how to tell time Really it should be it should be your time ten o 'clock not our time.

01:13:25

There you go We were asking for so, okay

01:13:31

So so we we left off in a spot asking I asked you a question Can a

01:13:37

Christian vote for Biden and unequivocally you said no cannot happen. I agree with you

01:13:42

I I would hope that based on our dialogue at this point That's a that everybody would would say the same thing right now that's listening

01:13:50

But now we get to a little harder of a question. I don't think it's hard a question, but some people do

01:13:55

What about voting for Tom Hoefling Who is a third -party candidate who seems to be

01:14:03

I mean look nobody knows who he is Right. I mean a couple will say they know him.

01:14:09

Yeah, but the reality is is he Yeah, cover vote for Tom Hoefling is a vote for Biden.

01:14:15

Yes Well, we could talk about that In a minute here But the reality is is

01:14:22

Tom Hoefling his his wife's a Mormon. He covered it up four years ago He deleted her entire

01:14:27

Facebook account It anybody can go check this out. Sienna Hoefling go see her her

01:14:32

Facebook just reopened again not too long ago all that all that history is gone and it took prodding and Poking of Tom Hoefling before he would come out and finally admit this to us just a couple of months ago

01:14:45

He called a number of us liar He slandered a number of a number of brothers trying to defend his

01:14:53

His background and the fact that he doesn't he's like most abolitionists. He doesn't go to church.

01:14:59

He Won't he doesn't go to church he won't say which house church he belongs to won't say who his pastor is if you even have one like this is not exactly the

01:15:09

The the upfront Christian candidate that everyone's speaking about to be having said all that Having said all that Tom does seem to be running on a platform

01:15:23

Again, I can only go by what I'm reading because nobody seems to really know him He says he's abolitionist

01:15:31

He says he's he's a patriot says he believes in the Constitution I mean, he seems to be in line with a lot of the things we're talking about here so let me

01:15:42

I'm gonna hit a couple things before truck drums in but First off he's being he's being touted as as the

01:15:49

Christian candidate However, we've seen on this show Huh?

01:15:55

Yeah strong Christian can't But we've seen on this show how he treats Christians if you're not voting for him

01:16:02

He'll slander you lie about you and run away. He acts like every other politician and here's the simple question

01:16:09

Let's compare his record. What is he actually done to put an end to abortion because we know Trump has put people into the

01:16:16

Supreme Court strong Pro -life people he's calling it murder. I don't know any other president that I've ever heard call abortion murder

01:16:24

And he did that where at the March for life. Also the first president ever to do that And many pro -life leaders got mad at him, correct

01:16:34

So he referenced the mother being guilty of murder, correct true

01:16:39

Yep, and and so this is the thing it's like, you know, they're trying to say well Trump's not really pro -life

01:16:47

He's done more than any other president. So if you voted for Bush or Reagan or or the other

01:16:54

Bush, you know because of the issue of abortion Trump is more

01:17:00

Conservative than any of them on this area. So You know, I'm sorry, but you don't have you know, there's there's no case to be made that Tom is

01:17:11

Gonna be stronger than Trump already has proven himself to be. That's right

01:17:17

Yeah, no, thank you for Andrew. So so now Chuck What about the people say vote for Tom?

01:17:23

Hopefully because a lot of people say this they say they can't vote against their conscience and they feel that Trump is orange man

01:17:30

Bad, so yeah Trump so first not in any way to Pick a fight with mr.

01:17:40

Hoefling I'm sure he's a nice man However, I I really don't believe that he's a

01:17:49

Christian man. He adamantly Defends his wife being both a

01:17:56

Mormon After much work to get him to admit that she's a Mormon, but now that he's admitted that she's a

01:18:01

Mormon He defends her being both a Mormon and a Christian in the genuine sense of Christian he was was very

01:18:15

Reticent to define his Christian faith and only with great help from others.

01:18:21

Was he able to articulate a A Basic gospel stand and so when when you can't clearly

01:18:30

Stand upon the clear gospel when you can't clearly apply it to others then

01:18:36

I'm not confident that you truly know Christ as your Lord and Savior and And so I'm not the judge.

01:18:43

He'll stand before God and I don't want him to stand judged. I want him to come beneath Christ is

01:18:49

Lord and to be genuinely saved But when you're saying that my wife is a Mormon and I know she's a

01:18:56

Christian Then I don't know that you're a Christian and that's not judgmental That's a right judgment based on the fact that if you believe the gospel of Jesus Christ Then you cannot say my wife is a

01:19:07

Mormon and a Christian That's just not possible that's like saying my wife is

01:19:16

Japanese But she's also African American Now unless she's a mix of the two, but but that's the problem is you can't well, maybe

01:19:27

Racially all descendants of Adam mind you're not taking anything from that. You might be a mix of Japanese and African American National yeah

01:19:36

Yeah Ethnically Genetically, but but spiritually speaking there is no mix possible

01:19:44

It's not possible You're either for Christ or you're against Christ.

01:19:50

There's nothing in between there You're either 100 % soulless

01:19:55

Christus or you're out side of Christ on the broad path that leads to destruction and the

01:20:00

Christ of Mormonism is the the Spirit brother of Lucifer That's not the

01:20:09

Christ of Scripture That's not the Christ who is fully and eternally God the second person to the Trinity You took upon the additional nature of mankind came in the likeness of sinners

01:20:17

Suffered and died and rose again sitting at the right hand of the father's the one mediator between God and men the man

01:20:22

Christ Jesus and so if you have peace with Mormonism and it's false Christ and it's false gospel of works

01:20:29

Then I have no peace with you as a brother And so that's a very serious issue for someone who claims to be the strong Christian candidate and has other

01:20:37

Christians real Christians believing that he's the strong Christian candidate Therefore they're going to vote for him

01:20:42

So I do take issue with that out of love for Tom and his wife and those supporting him but above all love for the

01:20:50

Lord and the true gospel, but then after that on on the practical matter of What I vote for him should anyone vote for him?

01:21:00

Let's say he was a strong Christian candidate He has no path to the White House. Let's say he is that the best pro -life 100 % abolitionist anti baby murder candidate and has he has a list of 38

01:21:16

Abolitionist points that he's going to bring about bring to pass in the first hundred days of his presidency The only problem is he will never be the

01:21:23

United States the president of the United States of America He will never sit in the White House. He's unlikely to ever walk through the

01:21:30

White House So not one of his perfect abolitionist

01:21:37

Policies will ever be implemented and and so I'm left voting for one of the two options that are realistic there are only two men who have any chance of being the president of the

01:21:49

United States in the coming year and and that's Joe Biden and President Donald Trump Now the common position is that you can't vote for a man

01:22:01

Who is not an abolitionist you can't vote for a man who's an incrementalist a man who is not 100 % against abortion and 100 % committed to abolishing in it now and and I would bring against that a little bit of history

01:22:19

And what you see there is Abraham Lincoln and John C. Breckinridge Abraham Lincoln was the

01:22:25

Republican Party candidate John C. Breckinridge was the Democrat and they were the only two men that had a chance of sitting in the

01:22:34

White House but on November 6th 1860 Abraham Lincoln the presidential

01:22:40

Candidate of the Republican Party prevailed over the Democratic candidate John C. Breckinridge that the

01:22:47

Democrat believed Slaves were property and thus had no rights as human beings much like Joe Biden believes

01:22:54

The unborn child is not an unborn child doesn't recognize the humanity of the child and therefore has no right and he supports the murder of the unborn child up to birth and even beyond Abraham Lincoln claimed he was anti -slavery and in 1854 he said quote if the

01:23:12

Negro is a man why then my ancient faith teaches me that all men are created equal

01:23:17

Abraham Lincoln's worldview was a biblical worldview Although not perfectly so He goes on to say and that there can be no moral right in connection with one man's making a slave of another

01:23:31

Lincoln's campaign promises included limitations on slavery not an abolition but limitations on slavery

01:23:38

He did not call for the abolition of slavery The Republican Party platform was worse.

01:23:45

It promised not to interfere with slavery in the States But oppose slavery in the territories and in future states

01:23:53

It made no mention of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 So the Republican Party platform made no mention of the

01:24:01

Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 the Slave Act that said escaped slaves Could be captured should be captured and brought back to their masters

01:24:10

The Slave Act that resulted in bounties being put out in papers Across the free states

01:24:16

So that men would go and capture the escaped slaves and drag them back down to the slave states and to their masters

01:24:22

And the Republican Party platform said nothing about it When Abraham Lincoln was running for presidency.

01:24:30

It also said nothing about the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision of 1857 that prohibited slaves from being citizens of the

01:24:37

United States From receiving any legal protections as citizens and prohibited Congress from abolishing

01:24:44

Slavery and so Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party were Compromised they wanted to limit slavery, but they were not abolitionist in any sense of the term the abolitionist of that day were understandably disappointed in The selection of Lincoln is the

01:25:02

Republican Party candidate nevertheless in God's perfect providence God saw fit to use the

01:25:08

Non -abolitionist president Abraham Lincoln to bring about the abolition of slavery on January 1st 1863 with the

01:25:16

Emancipation Proclamation and so that's Our hope is that the one?

01:25:25

Man who can be elected to actually sit in the White House and implement policy

01:25:32

Who is pro -life? Will go beyond being pro -life and actually become an abolitionist and in God's providence affect the abolition of abortion and Bring this evil to an end.

01:25:47

That is the only route that's Available Tom Hoefling will never enter the

01:25:55

White House. He will never implement a policy and so History is our guide and I trust in God's providence and I pray that God's providence will repeat history and through an unlikely candidate

01:26:12

President Donald Trump That we will yet see the the glory of God Unleashed and at this point a seeming miracle and the overthrow of Roe vs.

01:26:26

Wade But not not just that Roe vs. Wade being overthrown would just be the beginning But truly a constitutional amendment even that would say this atrocity will end the humanity the unborn child is a scientific fact that cannot be denied and we will uphold it and it's a

01:26:44

Moral fact that cannot be denied and so we will uphold their right to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness

01:26:51

And the same thing that we find in Lincoln's Pre -abolitionist convictions.

01:26:57

He recognized the humanity of the slave We find in President Trump. He recognizes celebrates more than any president since Roe vs.

01:27:06

Wade Recognizes celebrates defends upholds the humanity of the unborn child Yeah, that's the same recipe

01:27:15

That works toward the same path that moves us toward genuine abolition

01:27:21

Yeah, that's right and it's interesting you you bring this up because I I want listeners to know first of all

01:27:30

Roe if you if you study Roe vs. Wade as I have done. It's not like they passed a new law

01:27:38

That's a lot of that a lot abortions. What they did is they reinterpreted one of the amendments

01:27:44

One of the Bill of Rights and and they allowed abortion under the guise of a woman's right to privacy

01:27:51

There's a woman's rights issue And so it's a it's a little different of a ballgame that I think most people understand

01:27:58

You really should read the history of Roe v. Wade to understand what actually happened there having said that you know

01:28:04

So it's friend Ricky. Yeah, he asked this question. How long is the pro -life movement and pro -life politicians been doing incrementalism?

01:28:11

He's an abolitionist. I would ask the exact same question as I have to to people who are abolitionists

01:28:20

How long have you been how long have you been an abolitionist and it hasn't worked? I I mean, this is a very fair question because you keep screaming people keep screaming against incrementalism.

01:28:32

It's not just him Yeah, I understand the heart of Abolitionists, I'm an abolitionist from that perspective.

01:28:37

I love the heart. I love the heart of our abolitionist friends Yeah, me too from that perspective

01:28:44

Well, of course, you're an abolitionist who actually goes to church who actually is under the authority

01:28:49

Well, I mean you're you are the pastor, but you actually like have an accountability Unlike what the AHA movement is is which they're typically nomadic

01:28:56

They typically can't sit under a pastor for very long because they are arrogant and prideful and different things and and that's a whole different whole different show really

01:29:07

Well Yeah, I mean I mean because here's the thing And that's why

01:29:14

I asked that question what's more important being an abolitionist or being a church member in good standings One's mentioned in Scripture one's not abolition isn't in Scripture.

01:29:23

You don't see that there you do see something about You know being in church being someone who's who is

01:29:30

In a membership of a church not disciplined out of a church not not going and starting his own church not going

01:29:38

You know being rebellious to the church, but part of the church Okay, that's one of things

01:29:44

I was an abolitionist before people were using the term abolitionism for the issue of Abortion.

01:29:51

Okay. I was I was using it back before the movie 180 came out, which was before AHA started

01:29:57

Okay, when it became popular to do that I don't use the term ever since AHA because they're their arguments

01:30:03

But let me be really clear in the argument since you put it up there the argument for a meaty mediatism

01:30:10

If you want if you are arguing for a mediatism, then you should never ever ever be outside an abortion clinic

01:30:18

That's incremental That's one Person at a time if you're gonna argue that you're for a mediatism, then you should be in Washington Arguing as a lobbyist every day and that's all you should be doing to end it immediately

01:30:32

But every time you're in an abortion clinic, you're an incrementalist. So don't complain about incrementalism while you're practicing it because that's what they do

01:30:40

Well, everything they practice is really incrementalism And fly around to different states like Oklahoma and try to get laws passed which look it trying to like it laws passed

01:30:51

It is is would be more in line But but when you're when you're you know going around to try to you know, protest churches now for the record

01:31:01

It was really interesting had someone that I was speaking with at the conference at that cruciform conference this week

01:31:07

Speaking on abortion and one of the guys abolitionists very well known I guess in those circles Was warned about me and what the damage

01:31:15

I do to abolitionists it's kind of interesting because he we sat and talked for a while and he said that basically

01:31:21

AHA has changed from the things that I Criticized them for so many years ago

01:31:27

But I'm still the bad man Him who shouldn't be mentioned and yet if they change they should be thanking me and saying

01:31:34

Andrew spotted this years before we did We should have listened to him and instead right but they don't do that.

01:31:41

That's not how it works but you know, that's the thing that you end up seeing is

01:31:47

You know, they're not arguing For when they're outside of some church protesting it trying to get people to be part of their organization that they claims not an organization

01:31:58

That is incremental ism when they're at a plan at a pregnancy. Sorry at an abortion clinic

01:32:04

That's incremental ism. There is no difference between what they're doing trying to save one life and And share the gospel at a murder mill

01:32:14

Versus a pregnancy center trying to save one life and share the gospel in a clinic or or if if the bill that's put in a fourth what

01:32:25

I was saying before about the bills is that they say they're only four bills That are are completely against any type of abortion

01:32:33

From Pomona conception, right but yet why what's wrong with going and supporting a bill?

01:32:39

That's already on the table that maybe is a heartbeat bill is is there a problem with going out and and And championing something like that and and taking bites.

01:32:51

I don't know but but I will say this show up to those Rallies in different states to pass those two so they say they're against them

01:32:59

But yet when those are the bills put forth they're out there like in Oklahoma another area is doing and so there yeah

01:33:05

Here's the thing Before you do it because I'll say this thing that you get to history because you're gonna go longer

01:33:11

Here's the thing with that. Here's the thing with that Anthony is You know, we want those bills

01:33:17

But here's the thing has Tom Hoechlin shown that he is going to be able to work with a

01:33:22

Republican and Democrat Congress To be able to pass these things He has no track record

01:33:28

You have no knowledge if he's gonna do it has Trump shown that he's willing to stand up and call it murder and take

01:33:36

Actions to try to defund Planned Parenthood. Yes You know, that's where it's gonna change you

01:33:44

Doing it versus someone that says he's gonna do it I'll take the guy that actually has proven it over the guy that just claims it and has no chance getting elected

01:33:57

Just to argue from the history brother as far as incremental ism That is the path to abolition historically,

01:34:04

I believe it's the path to abolition presently and to say that all incremental ism is evil because it

01:34:11

It's saying that okay heartbeat bill. We're only going to save the babies that have a heartbeat Well, praise

01:34:18

God we're saving the babies that have a heartbeat you can call it evil You can say that any man who's not a hundred percent abolitionist is an evil man

01:34:26

Well, yeah, we're all evil men outside of the grace of God and 100 % sanctification So that would include all of us and that kind of an extreme

01:34:34

View and yet so no man's qualified for office And and no bill is good enough unless it's a hundred percent, but you're not going to get to that hundred percent

01:34:44

Through through that path. There's no history to show precedence of of that. And and so I stand with history and I believe

01:34:52

God will will do that again if he should so choose Through a man like President Trump who who shows that he does have the strength to stand up and go against the flow on any number of issues, but certainly on this issue of Abortion, he's the first president to speak at the largest gathering pro -life gathering the largest gathering

01:35:15

Upholding the again the sanctity of human life the right to life the humanity of the unborn child

01:35:23

He has spoken at that. There's every indication. He's going to continue to speak at those

01:35:28

At the State of the Union addresses. He has deliberately upheld the humanity unborn child every time and that is the path of Educating America and changing hearts and minds is a reason abortion is down in America in part it's because America is is

01:35:49

Waking up to the reality of this horror and that is in part praise God due to preachers under the

01:35:55

AHA AHA banner and and their signs So we need to keep preaching keep communicating and we need freedom to do that And that's what some of our

01:36:04

AHA friends don't seem to be conscious of is that we've come to a crossroads in America's history where if if we allow

01:36:12

The radical Marxist left to gain the power they want We are not going to have the opportunity

01:36:19

To even preach at the clinic or even preach in our churches or even teach our children to be abolitionist much less

01:36:26

Christians before the abolition even Because these Antichrist forces are very real and they're very serious about what they're doing

01:36:35

To take over America to take away our Constitution to take away that these freedoms

01:36:42

And so we need to be conscious of where we live and where we dwell and if we're so radical in our absolutism

01:36:49

Right now we're never going to see the abolition of abortion, but we're also never going to see

01:36:57

America revive which is more important. We can't remember we can't forget America revived in the sense of not just become becoming conscious of the evil of murder but becoming conscious of the evil of sin and the holiness of God and the glory of Christ as That one name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved

01:37:16

The gospel is always the main thing and we need to cherish our freedom to minister the gospel and vote accordingly and then the freedom to minister to the unborn will follow the freedom to declare the truth of you shall not murder and apply it to the unborn will

01:37:33

Follow but if we lose those freedoms We have we've lost the game

01:37:39

Yep Absolutely, right on all that. So so let's clarify something here if somebody votes for Tom hoefling

01:37:50

What have they done with their votes? They have set us up to become a communist nation where abortions are forced

01:37:58

Yeah, not elective see and so that's the next step that's what our friends are not seeing is that if we become the communist nation that they seem to Have no concern at all about oh, well, you know

01:38:10

God is sovereign Then it's not just that we won't be able to preach anymore against abortion and expose the evil

01:38:17

We won't be able to preach the gospel and have people saved from all sin Not just the sin of abortion, but then then the government will enforce abortion

01:38:27

They will decide for us how many children we should have and if you go beyond that and we we as Christians tend to have

01:38:33

Large family, so it will be Christian children Who are being forcibly murdered? Yeah, no and see and that's and that's the part that that people have been arguing

01:38:43

You know, you see some of the abolitionists and others saying that well You know, it's I can vote for Tom because I need to vote for him for my conscience.

01:38:51

But yet yet Look I enter I also understand that voting for Tom Hopeland isn't necessarily voting for You're not putting one in the column of Joe Biden But what you are doing is you're taking away a vote from a guy who's actually protecting a

01:39:08

Christian worldview the Christian worldview that you say you love a Christian worldview that's

01:39:14

That's a you preach the gospel from and the freedoms in this country that allow you to preach that gospel

01:39:20

Freely in and so that's that's the part that is to me mind -numbing in terms

01:39:25

Yes Is when you vote for Tom ho fling you are giving that much more ability for a guy like Joe Biden to win

01:39:33

We know the margins are slim right Trump again. I think he's gonna win in a landslide next next week

01:39:38

I do as well. He may still lose the popular votes, right? Thank God for for the electoral system that we have here

01:39:46

But he could very well lose a popular vote yet still win in a landslide because he carries enough enough states

01:39:53

Can you imagine just a few more if if he ends up losing this election? Some of the states are razor -thin razor -thin and so those votes that went to Tom ho fling

01:40:03

Were wasted on a guy who can't win Who can't win cannot possibly win can't and we can't throw out.

01:40:13

Well, God is soft Yes, God is sovereign, but he's given us reason and we exercise our reason in every other area of life without saying

01:40:19

God is sovereign We exercise our reason in every Capacity of our lives or every facet of our lives

01:40:28

We need to do so in our politics as well and not throw a vote away

01:40:33

And I know they don't like that term. I love you folks I'm not trying to insult you or infuriate you but it's a vote that is thrown

01:40:41

Away instead of a vote that is put toward an actual workable

01:40:46

Solution just like God was pleased to work out the abolition of slavery with Historically and so look to history as our guide how

01:40:57

God eradicated the evil of slavery and What you'll see is an incremental ism

01:41:03

Yes can work and did work and that an imperfect candidate can be the perfect candidate in God's perfect Providence and vote accordingly with a clear conscience.

01:41:14

I would speak to John MacArthur here just briefly and what an example of strange

01:41:21

Providence that John MacArthur right and not in any way to take a Dig at Phil Johnson, but Phil Johnson was a ardent never trumper.

01:41:30

He was a passionate never trumper and in God's strange Providence John MacArthur now has a friend in the

01:41:38

White House named Donald Trump The president the United States has personally called John MacArthur on a

01:41:44

Sunday morning to thank him for opening his church and to say I Stand with you and beyond that he provided his personal constitutional attorney to John MacArthur Grace Community Church This is an amazing stand of a president.

01:41:59

And by the way, if you've ever had a people's president it's just it's it's a Donald Trump and I see people with kind of funny t -shirts and slow signs with a

01:42:12

MacArthur washer For president 2020 MacArthur washer. Here's the thing.

01:42:18

You're not going to elect MacArthur washer elect Donald Trump to defend MacArthur and washers ability to preach the word

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The word that's their ministry That's what God's called them to and faith comes by hearing and hearing the

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Word of God and we need the freedom to do that And no president or Jimmy Joe Biden is not going to stand with the church.

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Joe Biden is going to help persecute the church help prosecute the church because the LGBT agenda makes the church's

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Bible and the church's God to be evil And so preaching the word and the

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God of the word and the morality of the word will become a hate crime in very short order you won't be able to just Ignore it and you won't have this wonderful jail ministry that I keep hearing about folks

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Because we're all gonna be there All right. So so listen

01:43:16

Anthony, I Asked you if I can ask this because I see Ricky popping in talking about his his conscience

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Okay, so here's the question that I have for everyone for our audience since Ricky's in here the only question needs to be asked is is

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Ricky a member in good standing of a church and is his conscience more concerned about voting for someone who's never going to get in and voting for abortion versus what the scriptures is very clear about about church membership and and being a member in good standing not one that may be

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Shall we say not in good standing That's the question needs to be asked if he's been disciplined out of a church

01:43:59

That's where his conscience should be in in figuring out how to get reconciled not in How am

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I gonna vote to to protect my you know to protect the unborn? Well, that's that's an issue though that goes over the abolitionist movement in general, right

01:44:19

I mean that That's a whole different story. I suppose but the abolition abolitionist movement in general are unchurched and that's that's a big problem within that movement

01:44:31

Having said that I want to back up on one thing pastor Chuck, I you know from an abolitionist perspective

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I Would think that we are as abolitionists not

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AHA abolish abolitionists that we would want to do everything we can possibly do to abolish abortion

01:44:51

Right. I mean it isn't that part of the position of being an abolitionist. I would think brother and So, how would you do it?

01:45:01

Yeah, so how would voting for Tom Hofling or Joe Jorgensen as some people are doing too? How is that doing everything you can possibly do to abolish abortion?

01:45:12

I? Would I would agree? I think your logic is solid voting for a man who can't possibly

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Win the election a man who will never be the president United States because his policies are perfect to me is foolhardy

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It's a wasted vote. You're not affecting Abolition if anything you're working against abolition and you're working toward this

01:45:36

This in all likelihood the woman in all likelihood will be the next mayor of Portland and you see that colorful skirt

01:45:43

You might think it's red white and blue and indeed it is But the colorful skirt has her communist heroes emblazoned upon it

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Mao Zedong Joseph Stalin and other communist heroes that are mass murders of tens of millions of born human beings and They won't be any kinder to the unborn.

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So in When we throw away our vote we open the door for that and let me tell you if she wins here in Portland a woman who openly supports communist

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Tyrant murderers if she wins here in Portland, I Very much pray. There's a man in the

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White House who will hold her evil in check Because there's certainly no man down in Salem or woman for that matter

01:46:36

Governor Brown is not going to hold her in check. And so when evil men rule the people

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Suffer when the wicked rule the people suffer And so we need to cast a real vote for a real candidate and your vote is real.

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Don't throw it away It's a precious thing. It's a gift from God. It's a responsibility So cast it for a real candidate

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And if Tom Hoefling wants to be president My counsel to him is to run for dog catcher and have some success there

01:47:05

Run for City Council and have some success there run for mayor and have some success there run for state representative have some success there then put your sights on Washington DC and then

01:47:18

Perhaps you'll find some success, but you're untested my friend You're unproven and there's no one that's going to get behind you at any level that it's going to give you success of Entering the

01:47:29

White House as a real candidate So right now all you're doing is stealing votes and you're wasting your own precious life

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My counsel to Tom Hoefling is being abolitionist stop wasting your time get down to the abortion clinic and minister the

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Word of God there But first minister to your wife if truly you're a Christian minister the gospel to your wife

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So that you're not in heaven one day without her and so Let's be real.

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Let's be real about what a Christian is Let's be real about who can actually sit in the White House and affect policy

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And let's not open the door for communists and their murders I mean her heroes are murderers and they're emblazoned on her skirt and bar in America I very likely here in Portland will be under her rule.

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And so I very much hope in the White House I'm under a different rule that will stop her

01:48:19

Yeah, well You know what anybody who's been listening to the last hour and 50 minutes

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I hope that they've been thoroughly convinced at this point about what they need to do. So pastor

01:48:31

Chuck, you know We're working a little late. I have no problem with that But and I know we want to get to Catholicism here and if you know pretty short, but I but I do want yeah

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I do want you to be able to finish up and whatever you want to talk about Politically here because that is the show.

01:48:48

So yep. Yep And I and I very much want to get to Catholicism But I want to I want to make some statements here and then talk to pastors a bit

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So let's talk about a vote for a Democrat a vote for a Democrat Joe Biden or otherwise is a vote for the radical homosexual movement seeking to destroy our

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First Amendment Constitutional rights in order to criminalize the truth of God's Word that exposes sexual perversion as a nation demolishing life -destroying soul -damning

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Sin and all you need do is go over to Great Britain and try to preach the Word of God and you'll find

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Every moment you're under threat of arrest because every moment The police are standing the wings and people are accusing you of hate crime the hate crime being that you believe the

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Word of God that you counsel them to repent of their sexual perversion and confess Christ is Lord for salvation

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So the Word of God there is already very much criminalized and we're in danger of that happening here as well

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But it won't stop just on the streets the streets are like I was always say like the canary in the in the cave or the canary in the mine

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The preacher getting arrested on the streets is a short hop then to the church

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Which then is a short hop to the home dear mother and father and so these freedoms are precious to be able to minister the

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Word of God and the LGBT community is Radical and the Democratic Party has given

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Given themselves over to the radical LGBT community as clearly in the

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BLM manifesto They're looking to criminalize they've consciously stated that they want to teach your children the upcoming generation

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That you are evil for believing the evil God of the Bible and the evil

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Bible that says that homosexuality Is sin that's their stated purpose.

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And so we need to vote accordingly continuing a vote for Democrat is a vote for the radical homosexual movement seeking to outlaw the truth of the

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Bible in the church in the home in schools in the workplace online and in the open air a

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Vote for a Democrat is a vote for the global baby genocide that has resulted in 1 .6

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billion Babies being violently slaughtered over the last 40 years a vote for a

01:50:59

Democrat is a vote for the murder of 1 ,000 black babies per day in America alone a vote for a

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Democrat is a vote for racial division and strife and oppression it's amazing that our

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Democratic congressmen and women they're blaming President Trump for the division taking place right now the division in our nation started with President Obama right out of his church and what he was taught in his church, but all of this racial division and strife and Unrest has come from the left and it's a deliberate division with a deliberate goal

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It's right out of the communist manifesto and their stated plans a vote for a

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Democrat is a Vote for racial division strife and oppression a vote for Democrats a vote for the lawlessness

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Anarchy and Tifa riots looting vandalism burning cities burning flags and burning Bibles like here in my city night after night after night after night in Portland You see the left's influence, but it's not just Portland.

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It's it's coast to coast It's in podunk towns even in the heartland

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This unrest will continue if we vote for the left That's using the their shock troops the

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BLM and Tifa shock troops to bring us under their thumb to bring us under their tyranny a

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Vote for a Democrat and this is this is probably the most important statement of them all a vote for a

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Democrat is a vote for secular atheist Marxist tyranny the destruction of America the murder of millions of unborn

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Americans and the damning of countless Americans to eternal judgment and hell, that's

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Reality at this point as I said earlier at this point in history The Democratic Party is the party of Satan.

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It is the Antichrist Party I want to speak to pastors for a moment a word to pastors regarding Joe Biden in the party of Satan and the voters in Their congregations voting for Joe Biden in the party of Satan pastor it is a colossal failure in your shepherding your preaching and Teaching if you have professing

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Christians red yellow black or white in your church singing about how they love Jesus while they vote for Joe Biden first Yeah, let me stop right there

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I want to make sure people heard that right it is a colossal failure in the shepherding

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Practices of the pastor who is not teaching as congregation properly.

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Yes bottom line Absolutely. And again, I say it without apology without question

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I want to be absolutely clear if you have people voting for Joe Biden or any Democrat at this point in history in your

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Congregation it's a failure of you the pastor to preach and teach and church discipline

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We as pastors are accountable to teach the flock to bring the

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Word of God to bear upon them in Authoritative thus saith the Lord manner to preach the word is convinced rebuke exhort.

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That's not my definition It's God's definition in the pastoral epistles Convince rebuke exhort the authoritative application of God's Word on God's people to convince them of God's truth

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To convince them that going against it is an error that is going to harm them and harm others and blaspheme

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God to rebuke them if they persist in it And to exhort them to continue in that truth once they're in it to continue to walk in the light of the

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Word So convince rebuke exhort with all long -suffering and teaching is the mandate of God for pastors

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And if we have not done that sufficiently to stop them from supporting that which is so clearly

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Antichrist that which is so clearly satanic at this point again in history

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The Democratic platform is the platform of Satan If we have failed in that manner, then we have failed in a colossal manner

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And so the first order of business for a pastor with that kind of failure is to repent to repent now

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It's gonna cost you something pastor. You're gonna lose Butts and seats and dollars in the coffers dollars in that offering plate

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Because they're gonna be some that don't want to repent. They are goats in the midst of the sheep and They're not going to repent they're gonna leave

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But that is a worthy sacrifice to have an actual church a church of Ecclesia a church of called out ones

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A church of genuine born -again sheep of the Lord's fold, but praise God some of those who are currently voting for evil voting for satan's platform

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They will repent they will get sanctified and some of them will repent and get saved

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They will actually bend their knee to christ and confess him as lord And so if you have joe biden voters in your church the first order of business

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You need to repent clearly and publicly before god and your congregation Then you need to clearly and patiently teach your joe biden voters why they

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Need to repent then you need to actually call them to repent Then you need to rejoice in those who repented and bent their knee to christ as lord

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Then you need to put out those who willfully and wickedly continue unrepentant to aid the democratic party's satanic agenda the lord's command

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For the morally corrupt corinthian church is his command for you dear pastor and your morally corrupt church first corinthians chapter 5 verse 11 through 13

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I've written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother who is sexually immoral or covetous or an idolater or reviler

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Or a drunkard or an extortioner not even to eat with such a person therefore put away from yourselves the evil person

01:57:04

Dear pastor if you won't obey the lord It's not because you're christ -centered gospel focused apolitical

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Loving gracious or big -hearted It's because you're scripture defying christ blaspheming gospel trampling self -loving self -serving cowardly and a hireling

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And I say that as a warning to you know who you are Know who you are and repent

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And step down or repent and step up and be the man You truly should be a genuine man of god wielding the sword of the spirit with faith and with courage

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And I would assume that that what you're saying here regarding anybody any pastor who isn't speaking out wholeheartedly against joe biden

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This also goes equally to pastors who have supported blm Oh, yes the last six months.

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I mean it is despicable that david platt is is on one hand Keeps his church closed on the other hand.

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It's sitting outside Marching with blm as they're looting robbing destroying

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Cities it was disgusting to watch and he's not the only one No, that is a that's beyond a colossal failure.

01:58:23

Um Of shepherding that's that's being an anti -shepherd that is actively joining the anti -christ forces of blm

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Uh, that's that's astonishing and so he has disqualified himself

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From the office of pastor and elder and anyone else like him have disqualified themselves. I don't care articulate

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They are I don't care what they've written. I don't care who is singing their praises or What fanboys will defend them to to the point of death?

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um That that is anti -christ. They need to repent and step down Uh, no matter what woke social justice calls and professing christian claims as their justification

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For voting for joe biden or any other democrat. They shouldn't be in your church singing amazing grace

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While they aid the dnc's graceless genocidal mission to murder millions of babies

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And the dnc's radical lgbt mission to pervert our children to criminalize parents who tell johnny

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He's a boy when johnny loses his young mind and decides he's a girl To criminalize pastors who tell johnny

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God created him as a boy and to provide state -funded drugs and surgery to mutilate johnny and turn him into joanie

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Without parental consent. That's not christianity. It's blasphemy That's not christ church.

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It's satan's church And pastor some of you have satan's church filling your pews unregenerate unrepentant false converts

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Filling your pews you need to preach the word of god teach the word of god and church discipline with the word of god

01:59:59

In order to purify the church so that you might actually have a church You need to separate out the goats from the sheep with a faithful ministry of god's word and you need to Sanctify the sheep so they're clear.

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So they're clear. So they're not satisfied being in a pew With someone who's voting for everything that is antichrist

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So they're not happy to fellowship with people who fellowship with the platform of satan

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And support it with their votes Preach the word brothers Teach the word and do biblical church discipline

02:00:38

Lovingly for love of god and love of the genuine sheep of god's fold Politics isn't just politics

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It's shepherding And that's two hours right there

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That's an angel Perfect perfect place to end. What do you know?

02:01:02

Almost so pastor check, um, wow, I I don't even I don't know how you top that but Anything else you want to say?

02:01:10

Um in terms of the political arena, I mean we the votes Either way, yes

02:01:17

Never forget Islam is evil islam damn souls islam inspires torture murder and terrorism

02:01:25

Never forget the orange jumpsuits And the horror of the near daily videos that were coming out as men like barack obama evil men

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Ruled in the most powerful seat In the world and islam was unleashed on the world never forget the evil of islam

02:01:45

And what it brings both temporarily and eternally and never forget that god was pleased to use donald trump to bring that daily horror to an end

02:01:59

Have we so quickly forgotten 9 -11 have we so quickly forgotten? The orange jumpsuits have we so quickly forgotten how it seemed like islam

02:02:08

Was was on this global rise that just could not be stopped They were marching to take over the world and they could not be held in check

02:02:18

That's because the men in power didn't want to hold them in check But by the grace of god president donald trump quickly put down the islamic uprising

02:02:33

Protecting your family Protecting my family and allowing us to live freely again out from under the fear

02:02:41

Of imminent islamic terrorist attack or just the next psychological

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Horror film to come out On youtube as as they slice people's throats or behead them or burn them alive from a swing set over an open fire

02:02:59

I I remember when 9 -11 happened. I was in dental school at the time At the ohio state university and I remember

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Walking out of one final because we were going year -round at that time. I walked out of a final on that september 11th

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Into uh into the computer lab where we could just kind of you know Play on the computers for an hour before we walked in the next final and somebody ran in Telling us that uh, the twin towers had just gotten hit by planes

02:03:26

We didn't know about it. We ended up going in and taking our next final I just said not a word, but we were all shaken by what had happened.

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And so my The condo that my roommate and I were in we had like 20 people from dental class to our to our place

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We didn't study a lick. We we watched Video after video news station up the news station all day all night ordered pizza several times

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And I say all this because I I have I have memories emblazoned into my brain

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That is they're showing on one screen the the the fire and smoke as a replaying the the planes hitting and the

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Hours toppling down over and over again on the other screen They're showing dayton, ohio with muslims in the streets dancing and cheering

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Thousands and burning the american flag all over the world michigan and all over the country in the world

02:04:23

It was the it was a disgusting display and then to watch not too many years later our own government embrace sadistic evil religion of islam

02:04:35

And support what what should have been What should be enemy countries are now supporting them?

02:04:42

And that and that the clinton foundation grows by tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars by donations from The same countries that had just bombed us not too many years earlier.

02:04:53

Yes, and to watch so what you're Exactly what you're saying here. Let's let people not forget

02:04:59

The evils of what islam has been doing all over And september 11th happened on george bush's watch but it happened because the eight years of bill clinton's

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Presidency that allowed the evil of islam to grow ever bolder in the earth and his own moral compromises that had him distracted and And unable to take decisive action, but then under president obama, uh islam had a friend

02:05:28

In the white house and they knew it and they prospered all over the world and the arab spring took place

02:05:34

Which was really the islamic spring under their leadership and they killed a few tyrants obama killed a few tyrants

02:05:40

But in killing the tyrants, he unleashed islam in their wake Absolutely So pastor chuck, hold on before you do so so chuck let us at this moment

02:05:53

Thank you for your service to our country Uh, we know that as a marine

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You put your life on the line to for our freedoms I think that's why you have some of the the passion that you have for this

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Is because you are willing to risk your life for these very freedoms

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And I want people to recognize that so first off. Thank you Well, brother, you're welcome.

02:06:20

It was my joy and privilege and it's there in the marine corps that I came to christ and so um

02:06:27

I praise god for my six years and it was so the marines aren't all bad then, huh? There's something good out of the marines

02:06:35

Again, it speaks to the greatness of our nation the greatest nation on the face of the planet. I say that With with joy and conviction so in the marine corps boot camp

02:06:45

I was given a gideon new testament by the marine corps And in boot camp, I came to repentance and faith in christ reading the giddy new testament.

02:06:52

Hey, god bless you brother. Semper fi Praise god um

02:06:58

But in boot camp came to christ and then by the grace of god at a six -year missions trip around the world to preach christ

02:07:05

And my first sermon was on the beach of somalia right after black hawk down I I had the pleasure of of ministering the gospel in dark places smuggling bibles into Nations where the word of god is illegal because the marine corps can walk right on in Um, so god's good plan for my life but I tell you when you travel the world to those hot spots what you find is a a greater value a greater consciousness

02:07:37

Of what we have here in the united states of america and how precious It is and how we need to hold on to it tenaciously for all the right reasons not just selfishly

02:07:48

So we get our best life now But hold on to it passionately so that we might communicate the word of god freely so that folks will have eternal life later

02:08:00

Yeah, thank you So so let's transition now for just a few minutes into catholicism and and then we will uh,

02:08:09

We'll we'll let we'll wet everyone's appetites and bring it back on here in a couple of weeks

02:08:15

So here's a quiz question What do you? joe, biden nancy pelosi

02:08:20

Hillary clinton and amy coney barrett all have in common They all claim to be roman catholic some of them more honestly than others

02:08:31

Yes, yes, um Interesting, so there are roman catholics and there are roman catholics, of course, and there are muslims and there are muslims and there are professing evangelicals and uh professing evangelicals, so they're there will always be those who are genuine to their their faith or worldview and those that are not

02:08:53

But politics aside and fake catholics aside Um Reformation day is coming rapidly

02:09:03

Some people call it. Uh, what's that other term you guys were talking about this week even I don't know halloween. Yeah halloween all hollows eve

02:09:12

Yeah, which precedes all saints day, um november 1st, so november 1st, we're supposed to celebrate the saints

02:09:20

So I appreciate that our catholic friends celebrate us Every year on november 1st, isn't that wonderful?

02:09:27

I just wish that they might come to repentance and faith and join us as actual saints of god so There's so much we could talk about with reformation day and reformation sunday and The pope and and whatnot and i'll get to the pope momentarily, but I want to address first of all what it means to be reformed uh, it doesn't

02:09:52

It doesn't mean simply holding to historic reformed Doctrine, it certainly doesn't mean having cool reformed tattoos

02:10:03

It doesn't have anything at all to do with drinking hard liquor Uh on videos or lighten up your your favorite tobacco or e -cigarette

02:10:12

Um on videos for the world to see it has nothing to do with showing your favorite micro brew that you happen to be drinking

02:10:19

Uh on some evening on your social media Um, this is where you swear and have kegs of beer presents.

02:10:26

It has nothing at all In fact, it would I would I would think it would be contrary. Um to the swearing and uh the pub crawls

02:10:35

Uh being reformed is not about being cool It's become cool to be reformed

02:10:41

Um, you know used to be hip to be square now. It's hip to be reformed but No being reformed isn't about uh

02:10:49

Well, some of those things have nothing to with being reformed at all and some of those things Yes, you're reformed if you hold the reformed doctrine

02:10:57

But I want to go a step further and say if you are not a reformer, I don't count you as reformed If you're not a reformer

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Then quit reveling in being reformed I quit reveling incessantly in You know micro aggressions over micro details on micro reform doctrines we

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The heart of being reformed is being a reformer If you're reformed and you're not reforming repent

02:11:26

If you're reformed and you're calling roman catholics your brothers and sisters in christ Then you aren't my brother or sister in christ because roman catholics need to repent of their roman catholic heresy of their roman catholic idolatry

02:11:41

And believe the true gospel of christ to become our brothers and sisters in christ, which should be your goal as a reformed man or woman it is tragic

02:11:54

That we have men at the helm Of a reformed movement a reformed uprising in this era that openly boastfully even

02:12:06

Call roman catholics their brothers and sisters in christ and everyone is looking the other way unwilling

02:12:13

To speak to this That is being a counter reformer. How are men at the helm of the reformed movement counter reformers?

02:12:22

What what happened to this vast mission field? We called the roman catholic church where 1 .3 million people are perishing

02:12:29

Under a multitude of heresies not one simple heresy, but heresy upon heresy upon heresy

02:12:34

Upon heresy all of them antichrist all of them blaspheming the lord all of them blaspheming christ finished work is to tell us die and and yet It's as if some of our reformed friends get high on Not just what they're smoking and drinking but on Claiming roman catholics as brothers and sisters in christ on inviting roman catholics to their hymn sings to protest tyranny at a state level

02:13:03

What happened to being a protestant What happened to be a reformer? If we're going to have catholics coming preach the gospel to them call them to repent when you join them in singing hymns to god

02:13:15

You're blaspheming god and blaspheming his gospel when you join them in prayer whether it's

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Some prayer meeting that's organized or some casual thing that happens or whether it's outside of abortion clinic

02:13:28

Where our roman catholic 40 days for life friends always want to pray with us I can never pray with them and I always make a distinct point to say look

02:13:34

I would really love to pray with you and i'm not trying to be offensive to you my roman catholic friend I'm glad you're here to plead for the lives of the unborn

02:13:41

But I can't pray with you because that would be hating my god and hating you my neighbor

02:13:47

Because see that would be undermining the gospel of jesus christ because you're just as likely to pray to mary In fact, they are praying to mary outside the abortion clinic every time we go

02:13:56

Yeah, and a lot of times they drag their forefoot statues out and dance around them with their rosaries and everything else so yes and That is a false

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Mediatrix, that's another mediator denying the one name under heaven given among men by which they must be saved

02:14:15

And so I can't pray with them and I make that a gospel point. It's an entrance It's a door for the gospel to say

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I would love to be able to pray with you But you've got to repent of your co -mediatrix you've got to repent of your antichrist wafer you've got to repent of eating christ cannibalistically for justification

02:14:33

You've got to repent of your faith in purgatory If you don't get your sacraments, all right You're going to go to purgatory and you're going to pay for your sins instead of christ paying for your sins

02:14:42

That's a repudiation of christ a rejection of christ my dear roman catholic friend So we need to be reformers not reformed and if you're not a reformer

02:14:51

Then then take off your reformed mantle take off your reformed tattoo. Go get it removed It's a shameful thing for you be a reformer

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Because being a reformer is about being a minister of the gospel Not a man who holds simply to a creed historic or otherwise

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But a man who holds to christ and his gospel who is willing to suffer and die for it so that our catholic friends might live

02:15:14

Yeah, amen to that So so let me ask you this pastor chuck because there may be people that are listening now or or in the future

02:15:23

And they're going to be listening to this and there are some christians that are confused because let's let's be honest

02:15:30

If if you are not being taught by a good pastor as we talked about earlier If you are not reading your bible, well

02:15:37

It is it is entirely possible that uh That somebody gets confused when they listen to a catholic speak because a catholic while using the same

02:15:48

Terminology as us and and having different definitions. You don't always know that They're using the same terminology very similar to what joe's witnesses do and mormons do and other other christian cults do

02:15:59

I want to call it christian but christian cults do and and you know, I I am going to give a shameless plug for andrew's book

02:16:05

What do they believe because one of the things he does in here really well there's a lot of things he does really well and this is what

02:16:10

I want you to speak to pastor chuck is that It's it's it's easy to fall into a trap

02:16:15

I think for some christians to say, you know, this person's this my next door neighbor's catholic and everything they seem to say

02:16:22

Seems to be right Like they they seem to believe in in faith in jesus. I mean they say that that's what they believe

02:16:28

They say it's about the blood of christ And the thing is is that you and I both know if you read through The official roman catholic catechism 9495 depending which label you you read but if you read through it and andrew goes through that and catalogs it in his book

02:16:46

Their heresy it's full of heresy Like you don't have to read very far in the in in the catechism to understand that they don't believe what the bible teaches

02:16:57

Not about justification not about sanctification not about mary not about fill in the blank They don't believe it.

02:17:03

In fact their council of trent says that that's those who believe in faith alone are anathema

02:17:10

And this is this is our mantra as reformers we are faith alone This is what we stand and this is what we die.

02:17:17

This is the hill. This is a hill to die on is alone

02:17:23

And and and i'll say this and i'll let you talk in our halloween episode two days ago

02:17:29

What's fascinating is is as evil as as halloween is in its origins guess who put halloween out for Consumption of the entire world and who made it famous nothing other than a roman catholic pope in the 600s

02:17:48

It was pope boniface that that married this this wicked pagan um stuff going on and brought it into Catholicism and made it famous and it was it was practiced in europe for a long time before it made its way into this country

02:18:06

Through irish and spanish immigrants over over a period of years But it even even the even the evilness of catholicism

02:18:14

Has played a role in halloween which happens just so happens to be on the exact same day as The reformation and what we celebrate each and every year so beautiful providence

02:18:30

So, um, I I like and I do want to get into the uh, the actual catechism

02:18:35

And even uh, the council trip Uh, but I I love spurgeon Spurgeon speaks with clarity.

02:18:41

He speaks with power Uh, and I I appreciate some of his quotes and so I want to give just a few quotes to clarify just so Folks get because some of our friends who listen to this now and or or in the future

02:18:52

They may think wow that that chuck guy, you know, he's kind of mean -spirited, you know, he's kind of really sour on catholicism

02:19:00

Um, I i'm not alone And I am sour catholicism. Let me be clear.

02:19:05

I hate roman catholicism. I hate it because it's damning My roman catholic friends that I love

02:19:12

I hate roman catholicism with a passion because it blasphemes jesus christ my lord and his to tell us die

02:19:20

Whom I love And that I love So charles spurgeon spoke with clarity

02:19:27

And we need this kind of clarity he said in his treasure of david psalm under psalm 106 Verse 20 he said false gods and attempts to represent the true god and indeed all material things which are worshiped are so much

02:19:39

Filth upon the face of the earth whether they be crosses crucifixes virgins wafers relics or even the pope himself

02:19:47

We are by far Too mealy -mouthed about these infamous abominations

02:19:52

God abhors them And so should we? To renounce the glory of spiritual worship for the outward pomp and show is the height of folly and deserves to be treated as Such it's the height of folly it deserves to be treated as such these are infamous abominations.

02:20:12

He says infamous Abominations, you know, what is he referring to? Crucifixes virgins wafers relics or even the pope himself their abominations

02:20:22

Because they defy and deny christ And his finished work they they deny and defy christ and his gospel they damn souls

02:20:34

He goes on elsewhere to say quote it is the burden duty of every christian to pray against Antichrist and as to what antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question if it not be the popery in the church of Rome, there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name

02:20:50

If there were to be issued a hue and cry for antichrist We should certainly take up this church on suspicion and it would certainly not let loose again for it

02:21:00

So exactly answers the description the church of rome is

02:21:06

Antichrist every one of those doctrines is antichrist. It's against christ. It's in place

02:21:11

Of christ the wafer is against christ. It blasphemes christ. It's in place of christ and his finished work

02:21:18

The priest is against christ. He is antichrist. He is Offering himself up as a christ for you.

02:21:26

He he himself Becomes a path of salvation as he absolves sin in the confessional booth as he gives last rites as he

02:21:35

Baptizes. No, he doesn't he sprinkles infants with so -called holy water soul rome's heresies teach so regeneration through water sprinkling from the hand of a priest and they're made a member of the church

02:21:52

Universal this is heresy upon heresy The priest is antichrist.

02:21:58

His sacraments are antichrist. The pope is antichrist. The roman catholic church is antichrist

02:22:04

Spurgeon continues elsewhere. He says quote popery is contrary to christ gospel and is the antichrist and we ought to pray

02:22:12

Against it not pray with them Pray against it It should be the daily prayer of every believer that antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood

02:22:23

And for christ because it wounds christ because it robs christ of his glory because it puts sacramental efficacy in place of his atonement and lifts a piece of bread

02:22:32

Into the place of the savior and a few drops of water into the place of the holy ghost the holy ghost regenerates not water from a priest hand

02:22:42

And puts a mere Fallible man like ourselves up as the vicar of christ on earth if we pray against it because it is against him

02:22:50

We shall love the persons we hate Though we hate their errors.

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We shall love their souls though We loathe and detest their dogmas and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened because we turn our faces toward christ when we pray

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That is the heart that beats In the chest of every man who truly loves the lord

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Jesus christ and knows his gospel clearly and mind you knowing his gospel clearly is not just some intellectual thing

02:23:22

It is the power of the spirit of god who regenerates and illuminates opens our eyes first corinthians chapter one and two it's the spirit who turns the cross and the gospel from Foolishness to the wisdom of god in our foolish minds and when the spirit does that we no longer confuse the true gospel with the gospel of rome or the gospel of islam or the gospel

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Of mormonism or the gospel of the jehovah's witness watchtower, which is not another gospel.

02:23:55

Galatians 1 6 through 9 tells us It's not another gospel It's under the anathem of god

02:24:03

And so Praise god for that kind of clarity. May god give that clarity to each one of us

02:24:12

Who profess to be reformed who profess to be followers of christ who profess to believe his gospel?

02:24:20

pastor john mccarthur In some circles is not considered reformed even though his soteriology is very much reformed even though he pretty much holds to uh

02:24:33

Calvinistic theology Because he rejects reformed eschatology. He's not reformed

02:24:39

I want to say that many of our so -called reformed champions who aren't reformers are much less reformed

02:24:46

Than john mccarthur. John mccarthur is a champion in the reformation that matters

02:24:53

He may not be in the loft and reformed ivory tower, but he's been in the trenches fighting a good fight for decades

02:25:00

Praise god pastor. John mccarthur says this in the long war on the truth The most formidable relentless and deceptive enemy has been roman catholicism

02:25:09

It is an apostate corrupt heretical false christianity. It is a front for the kingdom of satan

02:25:16

That is a clear statement worth holding on to that is the statement of a reformer who defends

02:25:24

The gospel of jesus christ against the antichrist church of rome and its pope

02:25:30

And priest that's the heart that we need to have if we're going to call ourselves reformed men if we're going to call ourselves christians and ministers of the gospel so you know

02:25:47

Before andrew breaks in and like shuts us down What let's I know let let's let's talk about the pope a little bit because you know this is

02:25:57

The biggest thing that people have been talking about in in the last week week and a half It's it's been regarding the pope's comments, right?

02:26:05

This is this has been huge So would you like to tell the audience what what did the pope say for those who haven't heard and why is it patently wrong?

02:26:14

I'm afraid I I've had his quote here somewhere, but I don't have it handy right at this moment But what what he's done?

02:26:20

He's waffled on on homosexuality um because Because it's a cult roman catholicism is a cult as a church

02:26:29

Its knee isn't bent to christ as lord and king As a pope his knee is not bent to christ as lord and king as priests

02:26:38

Their knees are not bent to christ as lord and king only genuine christians born again from above and dwelt with the spirit of god

02:26:43

Have bent their knee to christ as king. So what christ says is true No matter what the culture says

02:26:51

Cults will always waver in time. They will always give way to the culture in time and so We shouldn't waste our time trying to curry the favor of cults whether it's mormonism and saying we need our mormon friends to help us stand against the

02:27:08

Attack of our culture on marriage. No, we don't need our mormon friends. We just need to stand On the rock who is christ on the definition that god has given us for marriage

02:27:19

Without compromising the gospel of jesus christ trying to defend a secondary issue

02:27:26

In the issue of marriage in the same way. We find folks trying to hold on or hold hands

02:27:33

With the roman catholic church. Dr. Russell moore went And sat down with rick warren and the pope

02:27:40

In rome some years ago. It was quite publicized and the whole issue was to stand against homosexual

02:27:47

Compromise homosexual Undermining of the definition of marriage and even male and female

02:27:54

In our society, but of course because rome is not beneath christ in time

02:28:01

Rome gets tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine in this world. And wow, the

02:28:07

Homosexual wind is blowing hurricane, you know force And they are toppling they are toppling

02:28:15

As is the mormon church it is toppling on this issue as well. And so now we're finding mormons can be homosexuals in good standing

02:28:25

And roman catholics can be homosexuals in good standing as well But it's not just in the roman catholic church again.

02:28:31

One of the largest churches in portland Just up the road here Beaverton four square church is now pastored by a man

02:28:39

Who says that roman catholics or excuse me who says? That homosexuals

02:28:45

Can indeed be born again from above while they're still in homosexual marriages unrepentant They can be born again from above regenerated and he will baptize them as brothers and sisters in christ and even put them to work in the local church excuse me

02:29:01

It's no wonder to me to go back to our previous discussion that that pastor was down at portland's blm rally

02:29:08

That's not a shock um because compromise begets compromise and if your knee is not bent to christ then you blow

02:29:16

In every with every wind of doctrine just like the pope Of rome and so I don't want to throw

02:29:22

I don't want to throw stones from an evangelical glass house The the church is being ravaged the southern baptists are being ravaged on this issue of homosexuality and so um

02:29:36

This has become a defining issue of our age to determine who truly is in christ

02:29:42

Who truly is indwelt with the spirit of god who truly is going to toe the line when the culture shows up saying look?

02:29:49

To say homosexuality is a sin Is hate speech? It's it's evil

02:29:55

It's really become the the evil of our day is to be intolerant of sexual perversion.

02:30:01

That's like the great evil of our day um It used to be you kind of thought that murder was like the great evil

02:30:08

But now with the murder of unborn children being so prolific And murder tv being you know, what we raise our children on they watch murder after murder after murder after murder after murder after murder

02:30:19

It were a society of murder. So murder is not so bad anymore in our collective conscience And it used to be that sexual immorality even abuse of children

02:30:29

Was a great evil, but now we we see in california legislation passing even where child abusers

02:30:37

Sex offenders are not going to be held accountable as long as the child was consenting

02:30:44

That that is the corrosion of our collective Morality and conscience having rejected god and so we're finding in the visible uh church, even those who profess to believe the gospel this

02:30:57

Significant Compromise and you're going to find it in the cults And in the antichrist church of rome as well, so i'm not shocked by it

02:31:07

Not at all And what I say is we've got some christians really getting up in arms over it

02:31:12

And saying wow, look at that. The pope's really gone off the rails now Um, hear me dear brothers and sisters the homosexual issue is serious

02:31:22

But that is a a drop In the bucket of rome's ocean of evil

02:31:28

That is a drop in the bucket in rome's ocean of soul -damning heresies

02:31:33

That's just the newest one And and the next pope may repudiate it even and go back to a more biblical

02:31:39

Position. We don't know but but Let's let's look at the doctrines of rome.

02:31:46

Let's look at the the sacraments of rome. Let's look at the claims of the priest

02:31:53

That are contrary to the claim of our lord and savior. Jesus christ and let's drill down on that and do so Dogmatically and do so clearly and we all need to study

02:32:02

Rome's heresy enough to be able to communicate Clearly to our catholic Friends that they need to repent of it to come to the true gospel and you you asked earlier anthony you you said, uh,

02:32:16

Something to the effect of uh needing to have greater clarity needing to have A greater conviction on this there's so much confusion afoot out there if you ask the average

02:32:27

Evangelical even reformed person if their roman catholic friend was going to go to heaven They would say probably or even just yes, as long as they're a good faithful roman.

02:32:36

They believe in jesus after all They believe in jesus and here's what I find that The problem being if you're not an actual minister of the gospel

02:32:45

Meaning you actually engage people And I don't mean to belittle men who who preach the gospel from the pulpit faithfully god bless them

02:32:53

I appreciate that I celebrate that but we actually need to get down to the streets We actually need to get down to where the people are and engage the people and when you actually engage roman catholics

02:33:02

With the gospel you'll find that they're not saved I've met many many seemingly sound pastors and average christians who say they know lots of roman catholics that are saved

02:33:15

My question to them is this have you asked them if they've repudiated and repented

02:33:21

Of their faith in that wafer if they have rejected the transubstantiated christ and faith in that wafer

02:33:29

For their salvation for their justification Well, no, I haven't done that Well, then how do you know?

02:33:37

They're a saved catholic versus the unsaved catholic Well, they don't know that at all because unless they've rejected that gospel

02:33:45

Uh denying heresy, then they're unrepentant still and we forget the basics, right?

02:33:50

Jesus first message mark 1 15 repent And believe the gospel you must repent of all that is contrary to the gospel.

02:33:58

You can't both believe the gospel And believe that which is contrary to the gospel simultaneously. You've got to repent of heresy

02:34:05

To believe the gospel and let me differentiate There's error and there's heresy

02:34:12

There's theological error That's not damning necessarily And then there's heresy that goes directly to the gospel

02:34:19

That's going to damn your soul and rome has heresy upon heresy upon heresy Some of them are very obvious like the wafer in the cup the mass

02:34:27

Um, and some are maybe less obvious or more obscure But the obvious ones the mass that's the heart of rome and every roman catholic if they call themselves a roman catholic they

02:34:39

Still hold to that mass. They go to mass. They partake of the mass. They bow and genuflect before the wafer

02:34:45

They worship their idol They they have faith in that idol that that is literally christ

02:34:52

And you mentioned the council of trent brother the council of trent says explicitly explicitly that you and I are damned

02:34:59

And we're damned Explicitly because we reject the transubstantiated christ we reject

02:35:05

That wafer is actually physically literally the body of jesus christ

02:35:12

And it's interesting in romans roman catholic dogma um And and we don't have time to get into all this.

02:35:20

I I want to quote it all but I I we just don't have time but They they actually have a broad road that leads to destruction

02:35:28

Teaching in their catechism where as long as you're ignorant if you're a

02:35:34

Basically good person you you still are going to be under the grace of god and go to heaven Although you probably have to stop and do some time in purgatory.

02:35:41

The only people that are definitely Definitely going to hell under the anathema

02:35:46

Of of god, uh, no stopping it go no purgatory for you Are those that explicitly deny the transubstantiated

02:35:54

Christ that deny the heart of roman catholic heresy, which is the mass and that wafer cup

02:36:02

Those people are fast -tracked to hell Meaning those who hold fast to the gospel and reject the idol of rome in the mass

02:36:13

Um, so that that's very very interesting Wow There is

02:36:20

We definitely have to have another show because there is so much So much to unpack what you just went through in the last.

02:36:27

I don't know 10 minutes so much to unpack but uh But we can we can clearly say

02:36:35

That that the person who is in a catholic church Who might fool the average evangelical?

02:36:43

The average evangelical needs to wake up and they need to understand what rome actually teaches

02:36:49

They need to understand what what's the council trent says? They understand what the roman catholic catechism says it understands what what they believe that the wafer represents

02:37:00

They they need to understand all of these things Let me give you one one canon from trent canon one

02:37:09

If anyone denies that in the sacrament the most holy eucharist are contained truly really

02:37:14

Substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our lord jesus

02:37:20

And consequently the whole christ but says that he is in it only as a sign or a figure or force.

02:37:26

Let them be anathema And that's just one of the anathemas, but they all have to do with the transubstantiated christ

02:37:34

Um, let them be anathema And this is binding, uh roman catholics ex cathedra, you know with the authority of god on par with scripture

02:37:45

It's still binding today. We are damned under the council of trent because we reject the

02:37:54

Transubstantiated christ being uh, both body and blood together with soul and divinity divinity

02:38:01

That's the council of Trent what does the word of god say? It says you should not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything

02:38:09

That's in heaven above if it's in the earth beneath if it's in the water under the earth You should not bow down to them

02:38:15

As they bow down every time they walk in the roman catholic church. They're genuflecting before they're worshiping the wafer that's up there in that box

02:38:24

They worship it And the word of god the law of god exodus 20 verses 4 and 5 says you shall not

02:38:32

Bow down to them nor serve them for I the lord your god I'm a jealous god visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation to those who

02:38:41

Hear this dear friends to those who hate me That's what god says idolaters are

02:38:48

Idolaters are haters of the true god So you can't be both a hater of the true god and a worshiper of the true god you can't believe that that wafer is jesus and worship that wafer and Be an actual worshiper of jesus who is seated at the right hand of the father

02:39:05

As the one mediator between god and men the man christ Jesus and so we need to call our roman catholic friends to repent of their idolatry.

02:39:15

That's the heart of their heresy That's the heart of the heresy of rome the idolatry of the wafer There's many more heresies, but that's the heart of it if they've not repented of the idolatry of the wafer

02:39:25

Then they're not saved They haven't believed the gospel they haven't believed in the true christ They have a false christ. They have an idol and a false gospel eating christ.

02:39:33

They are literally cannibals in their theology They believe they're actually eating jesus christ and and excreting him out as well as mike gendron would say

02:39:43

Well, they have they have fancy theology and physiology Um to to work that out so that doesn't happen, but that's that I mean, yeah, that's the reality of it

02:39:54

And so god says this is hatred and yet we show up and say no they love jesus They have a simple faith in jesus.

02:40:00

No, they don't they have no faith in jesus. They have faith in an idol and hear me Salvation is not a work of man.

02:40:08

Salvation is not a work of the intellect The spirit of god regenerates a soul and illuminates the mind

02:40:14

So that we comprehend the glory of the gospel of christ and we comprehend the glory of christ

02:40:20

Therefore we won't worship a wafer as if that wafer had the glory of christ We worship the true christ seated at the right hand of the father having to telestai having finished

02:40:30

His work he sat down and we believe his gospel that it's a finished work and we trust in the finished

02:40:37

Work of jesus christ and we wouldn't dare add the works of our hands that are but filthy rags.

02:40:43

We trust in his pierced hands we trust In his accomplished redemption hebrews says we trust that he obtained eternal redemption as he drew said hebrews says we don't trust in our works or the work of a priest or That wafer or the cup that rome is now so kindly opened up to the people as well

02:41:06

But what they say in a roman catholic mass if you haven't been to one Is the body of christ the body of christ the body of christ the body of christ every time the priest

02:41:16

Puts a wafer on the tongue of a faithful Believing idolater putting their faith in that body of christ in that wafer

02:41:28

Not just in remembrance of me as jesus said But actually jesus when they're eating for justification

02:41:35

That's the heart of rome's heresy And if your roman catholic friends haven't repented of that repent and believe the gospel jesus said mark 1 15

02:41:43

Then they haven't believed the gospel because you can't both believe the gospel and believe that which is 100 180 degrees in the other direction contrary

02:41:53

To the gospel of jesus christ. You can't both believe in the true jesus christ And believe in the idol the false christ of rome the antichrist wafer

02:42:02

And so keep it simple saints repent and believe the gospel. They must repent just like mormons must repent of Their jesus who's the brother of lucifer their jesus who is not eternal their jesus who became a god to show you how to become

02:42:17

A god, they must repent of that false. Jesus and believe in the true jesus in the true gospel Our muslim friends must repent of their false

02:42:24

Jesus who was a prophet but not god who was a prophet but not crucified and resurrected on the third day

02:42:29

They must repent of their false. Jesus. He doesn't exist And come to the true jesus and his true gospel

02:42:36

Or they're going to perish in their sins you must repent and believe the true gospel keep it simple saints lest you be fooled by famous and influential so -called reformed leaders

02:42:47

Who say roman catholics are brothers and sisters in christ because of a trinitarian baptism that is nonsense and foolishness and heresy

02:42:55

And god rebuke it Amen to that. So pastor chuck. Uh, it's probably time to close out.

02:43:00

What I would like you to do Is to give gospel so, you know, there there may be catholics that are watching this right now live or we'll be watching this at some points, um in in the future as you know, this all all this stuff stays on youtube forever, so What can you say to our to our catholic friends

02:43:22

Well, I I would say to our catholic friends that we love you We hate roman catholicism because it's damning you and it's damned billions before you

02:43:30

What a nightmare So we love you. We want you to be our brothers and sisters in christ

02:43:35

We want to be able to pray with you We want you to be a saint not to pray to the saints, but to be a saint who can pray to god through the one mediator jesus

02:43:44

Christ and so we urge you to repent of roman catholicism, it is idolatry to repent of roman catholicism, it is a bastion of heresies to Place your faith in jesus christ alone fully god fully man born of the virgin

02:44:05

Mary crucified for sinners buried and resurrected on the third day ascended to sit at the right hand of the almighty and he sits dear friend

02:44:14

Because he has accomplished eternal redemption. He has obtained eternal redemption. He has to tell us that he has finished his work

02:44:21

So he sat down No priest can continue Christ crucifixion it is finished.

02:44:28

No priest can continue to make christ suffer as the victim they call him He was a victim once he is the victor forevermore

02:44:35

He has sat down as the victor over sin satan and death at the right hand of the father as the only mediator

02:44:41

Between god and the man christ jesus. You must repent of mary the co -mediatrix

02:44:46

She'll damn your soul. Here's what mary would say to you hear my son. Listen to my son worship my son

02:44:55

Mary was a sinner saved by grace through faith in jesus christ fully god fully man

02:45:01

Crucified for sinners buried and resurrected on the third day salvation is by grace

02:45:08

Alone, not our works not our merits our works are as filthy Rags as ephesians 2 8 9 says you are saved by grace through faith not of works lest anyone should boast

02:45:19

It's a gift of god dear friends You have nothing to boast about and rome would give us so much to boast about with its seven sacraments and then some beyond So place your faith in christ

02:45:30

Alone or your faith faith isn't in christ at all. You must understand that if your faith isn't in christ alone

02:45:37

It's not in christ at all galatians chapter 5 verse 4

02:45:43

Says you have become estranged from christ you who attempt to be justified by law you have fallen

02:45:50

From grace and so the the judaizers in galatia, they didn't deny faith in jesus christ

02:45:55

They had faith in jesus christ just like all of our roman catholic friends profess faith in jesus christ Here's the problem.

02:46:01

They had faith in jesus christ and their works and their circumcision and their dietary restrictions And the word of god is explicitly clear that faith in jesus christ plus anything

02:46:12

Is to be estranged from christ is to be fallen from grace And so dear roman catholic friend put your faith in the true christ not that wafer

02:46:22

That wafer is not jesus. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the father as the one mediator between god

02:46:27

Amen, put your faith in the true christ alone and his finished work Alone, not the works of the priest or the works of the church or your works

02:46:37

Not not your efforts at the abortion clinic, but faith in christ alone

02:46:43

And his finished work will save you and faith plus any works Estranges you from christ cut you off from christ it nullifies

02:46:53

Grace, you're out from under the grace of god and you abide under the wrath of god with all your roman catholic sacraments

02:47:00

With your priest your pope and your church And so flee from the church of rome flee from the pope flee from the priest flee from the sacraments flee to jesus christ and salvation through faith in him alone

02:47:19

We love you. We want to see you into heaven contact anthony contact andrew contact me

02:47:24

We'd love to talk to you more want to see you in heaven washed with the blood of the lamb

02:47:31

Amen to that. Thank you for that wonderful gospel presentation so uh Pastor chuck.

02:47:37

Thanks for joining us again tonight And uh, we look forward to having you on again, you know, the next few weeks Are filled after that i'm not sure next week pastor.

02:47:45

Justin pierce and canadian atheist will be speaking That um, we're gonna have a new cast on who wants to do an informal debate slash discussion about creation versus evolution

02:47:56

That should be fun as well And then uh, and after that, you know chuck will have to text and see uh

02:48:02

Maybe get me on one of those thursdays after that and continuing our discussion about rome brothers We barely scratched the surface.

02:48:08

So I would love to come back I know we did that pastor andrew

02:48:13

Yeah, I want to just chuck. Thank you again. I mean you're you you always bring so much information

02:48:20

Every time that you're on Yeah, just a few notes there that he's got anthony

02:48:29

For those that aren't watching anthony was just browsing through the pages of information that chuck had uh sent

02:48:36

I mean Yeah, it's how many pages is that like 30? I think it's 24 is what

02:48:42

I ended up printing 24. Okay. Yes He does it's not like he comes prepared. I mean just think of what it's like every sunday in church for him

02:48:52

Okay for me what do I cut what can I bear to cut oh Burdens my soul

02:48:59

The advantage there is you know, you're coming back next sunday to finish it It just so everyone knows

02:49:04

I I said, you know pastor chuck would be nice just give me a bullet point list. We'll uh, Of her we'll go through there

02:49:12

That's his bullet point 24 pages of bullet point Bullet point is what that is

02:49:19

Which is wonderful. So thank you for all this because we got a lot more to cover we do No, but I want to thank you guys

02:49:27

Um, you know, it's always good having you here chuck that the information Uh two very big topics, um want to encourage everyone to go out and vote vote for trump

02:49:38

Don't waste a vote. Don't vote for for socialism Uh, we need to make a statement to the leftists that America will not stand for socialism.

02:49:51

We need to We we need to to make a statement. The only statement they understand

02:49:57

Is losing big at the election box And and that's what we have to do We we got to communicate to them and the the leftist media that is no longer journalists, but activists

02:50:08

We need to get out and vote. So Even if you voted by mail Go in and vote because the reality is they're not going to count those votes unless they need to so You know

02:50:22

They're going to try to discredit trump when he wins by saying that he didn't have the popular vote

02:50:28

So make sure you vote for you know, so that we don't have those arguments Um, and the reality is if your mail -in ballot got lost at least you still voted

02:50:39

Yeah, because you you won't be able to be counted twice. They will check it against mail -in ballots

02:50:44

Yeah, so what you're saying is vote like a democrat vote early vote often. Yeah, that's that's basically

02:50:51

That's the difference we're not voting for the dead But but yeah I mean they will they will and and you know The number one search that was going on after the debate after the last debate was how do

02:51:02

I change my vote? The answer to that is you go in and vote in person Because that's the one that counts

02:51:09

Make sure that you're because you don't know if your postman said. Oh, I see a bunch of christian magazines

02:51:14

We'll just take that out of the out of the uh, Mail and toss it in my backyard.

02:51:20

I mean, you don't know but if you go in and vote It's going to count. So I want to encourage everyone to do that.

02:51:27

You know, it is This is probably the most important election uh, the the news says that every year every four years, but This really is this this is the difference where we're going to lose our country

02:51:41

If if the leftists and socialists get get in power, so I want to encourage everyone to vote uh again,

02:51:48

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02:51:58

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02:52:06

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02:52:24

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02:52:32

Um, I think next week We have uh, the canadian atheist wants to come back and talk with justin

02:52:42

So that's going to be an interesting one he's hoping biden wins a canadian is hoping biden wins um, so Yeah, yeah

02:52:52

Um, I I hope that you listened I was on the canadian atheist if you listen to the rap report Um, I was on his program very interesting for those in this audience who's heard michael the canadian atheist come in here

02:53:04

He's been on a couple times, uh three times in fact And you'd hear him argue that we're just chemical reactions

02:53:11

Listen to me on his program because I asked him why he uses foul language and he's like they're just words

02:53:18

They're just words And then I asked him a question that suddenly he realized words have morality

02:53:26

Now he can't explain that in his world view It was fun to watch him squirm and he did that on his own program

02:53:33

So, uh, we talked about abortion amongst other things Um, also if you check out cruciform conference,

02:53:40

I was just got back from there Uh, I delivered two messages from there, but every message Was powerful and for for anthony and chuck you guys missed out

02:53:50

I literally said that I would put those speakers those messages up against shepherd's conference

02:53:57

It was that good They were that is was an outstanding conference talking on the holiness of god, uh pre -conference was on abortion so Go check those out.

02:54:10

Uh, those are nick in um, Next year the conference there is going to be on uh, since it is the 500th anniversary of um, the uh of luther's

02:54:24

Uh decree to here I stand well, that's going to be what it is

02:54:29

We're still standing. So, uh, so check that out go to striving fraternity to check out all the different podcasts and things

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