Bigfoot

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All right, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Open Air Theology Show. My name is Jeff and I am one of the hosts. I am also one of the pastors of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church in Tallahoma, Tennessee.

If you're ever in the area, we would love to have you to come by. I'm going to pass it over to, let me see. Let's go with Mo Haps. Introduce yourself.

What's up? This is Haps Addison. With Covenant Reformed Baptist Church. Coming live from Tennessee. I'm also the host of Open Air Theology in our R &B studios. I'm so glad I'm here tonight. We're having a blast.

I'm sorry, man.

I don't know if you're doing a mic drop or not. Well, I'm Pastor Braden. I do not live in Tennessee, unfortunately. I live in Southern Idaho in Hagerman. I'm a pastor at a church called Valley Baptist Church.

If you live in the area, it would be a blessing for you to come join us. We meet weekly on Sundays as well as Bible studies throughout the week. Sundays at 11 o 'clock. Come join us for fellowship and worship to our triune God.

I'm also super thankful to be here with the brothers here on Open Air Theology today. Smoking a delicious pipe as well.

Who made that pipe?

Who made this pipe? Somebody way too creative did. Donner's Oak Company. Maybe it's me.

Donner's Oak Company. That's really cool. We haven't done a podcast in a while. Man, we've been really busy. We're going to try to do something. We're doing something tonight, just something fun. We're hoping to try to get back regularly.

But who knows, right? Let's just see how things go. I forgot. What's the topic of tonight's podcast? What are we talking about?

Is Jeffrey Rice related to Bigfoot?

You saw that picture, right?

I could see it.

We're talking about Bigfoot. How I think that every Christian should be a Bigfoot enthusiast. That's what I think. I'm going to give my reasons here in a minute. As far as I know, Braden is the one that's weird in this discussion.

He's a non-believer.

He's a non-believer. He's a non-enthusiast.

I grew up with a lot of fairy tales being LBS. I can smell it when it comes to this. You're not going to fool me.

I'm sorry.

You're not going to fool me on this.

He's been shy.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Is that what you're saying?

Shame on me.

That's exactly right.

Are you a believer? Are you an enthusiast?

I'm a believer.

All right.

Now, Braden, since you are the unbeliever tonight, we're going to have you to say why is it, with all the evidence that you don't believe, that there is a Bigfoot?

Who do you want to start on this?

I'm pointing at you.

You're pointing at me right now?

Yeah.

All right.

I'm just going to come out. I'm shooting from the hip on all this. I don't have a strong opinion, to be honest with you.

Yeah, you do.

I will say I do lean on saying that it's a bunch of baloney. The reason I think it's baloney is that if Bigfoot does exist, so let me put a big caveat, if he does exist, I don't think he's just like a normal creation of God, but I think that he is a demonic power that people call upon when they're in the woods.

And they see that in those ways and it takes their vision or their, their intention away from God. And so that's, that's where I would lean to. And I have some reasons on why I would think that.

Now you done made it weird.

Yeah.

You just took it out there.

I did.

It's the same thing with like aliens. Like, like aliens, if somebody sees an alien, I'm thinking it's demonic powers that they're, they're witnessing.

So you think it's like a Joseph Smith character in the woods asking for a sign.

Let me, let me give you an example. I know a person. I don't know him like physically or anything like that, but the, I know an individual who has a certain book who records an encounter that they had with Bigfoot.

And this book is called the miracle of forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, a high up person in the LDS faith from a long, long time ago. And it's reported that on this horseback ride, he runs into Bigfoot and Bigfoot tells him that he's a descendant of cane, all this kind of stuff.

Right. And so my mind immediately thinks is one, they use that to justify their Mormon doctrine. So if he saw, if that individual truly saw Bigfoot, it's being used as a way to justify their Mormon doctrine.

So therefore it's against Christ. Therefore it's demonic in origin.

Second of all, if it was a, if it was a true Bigfoot,.

If it was a true Bigfoot, he wouldn't know anything about the Mormon doctrine to have gone into depth because Mormon doctrine is a bunch of baloney. It's made up. It's false. Not really a biblical at all.

So those are, those are two super solid reasons. In fact, it's more evidence than you have.

You are a believer in God almighty. Correct. But Joseph Smith also claimed to have seen Jesus Christ and God. All right. So does that make doing there? Okay.

So let me examine, let's think about that. So the, so all the Mormon claim comes from a man who went out to the wood and was calling to an entity out in the woods. What do you see with Bigfoot? I think that Joseph Smith had a demonic encounter, potentially had a demonic or he just made it up one of the two.

So I'm saying either Bigfoot is a demonic entity or it's completely made up. Just it's consistent. You got to give me that.

No, no, no. So let me get this straight. So I just, just because I'm like, go ahead. Let me just get this straight.

So my brain just started hurting. Are you, are you saying that Bigfoot's a Mormon?

I'm saying that, that it's demonic.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's in like Mormon literature.

Yes. Oh yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I've, I've, I've, I've discovered that as well. Well, you know,.

How do you guys feel being a part of, Whoa, Whoa.

How do you guys feel being that's God right there? Shaking you up. Don't don't be putting it on him. But, but, but, but, but listen, just because someone that's an idiot goes into the woods and, and, and makes up stuff, right.

Doesn't mean that it didn't, but that the thing that he is speaking about isn't true.

I agree with that a hundred thousand percent. However, then I would lean upon all the evidence about how we have never captured a Bigfoot, that it can be easily faked. Like all those kinds of things is then what I would lean into.

Okay. Now tell me how it can easily be faked.

Somebody making noises out in the woods.

Okay. The same consistent noises every time. Yeah. We're talking a certain kind of noise that they make with their mouth. Yep. Wood knocking and, and, and rocks like big rock being thrown. Now, now listen, they're throwing rocks the same way I can throw a football or Peyton Manning can throw a football.

Yep. All right. There's some strong. No, come on. If I was to grab a rock that size, right. And throw it, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to stretch here. Let's say I can throw one 20 feet. All right.

I probably only get about 10, maybe five, 10 feet, but let's say I can throw one 20 feet. We're talking about rocks being thrown half a football field.

Yeah. But, but I, let me push back on that, but no one's ever recorded somebody a Bigfoot or Yeti or a San Juan Squanch or whatever they're called thrown a rock, a football field away.

No, no, no, no. From in the woods rocks are flying out and hitting cabins. And it's the same story from everyone that, I mean, it's okay. Okay.

I'm trying to get too deep into my argument.

I'm trying not to go too deep into my argument real quick.

I let your fuse all the way through. Yeah.

He's showing restraint. That's awesome.

Julie mentions that I'm showing serious restraint and I am trust me, I want to jump through here and smack Brady like that, you know, and just smack the Bigfoot into him.

You got to understand,.

You got to understand. Jeff would dress up as Bigfoot as a child. Halloween Halloween. Why does he have to be a child to do it?

He would totally do that today. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so, so tell me, how is it that someone can fake it? Okay. First of all,.

I have seen all the Bigfoot series on the history channel or whatever channel that they do that on when it's Bigfoot hunters. Right. And so I already know that they teach on there. So I've pretty much right.

You've seen one, you've seen them all. You've seen the band of big dude that walks around. I can't remember.

You're only 26 years old. You haven't seen all of them.

19. I've seen a lot. Okay. I've seen a lot. And the people on there describe how there's different vocal picks, like different vocalizations that the Bigfoots do to talk about the different things that they're trying to do.

So I take that and then I take what they just showed me on the, on the, on the line that they're saying Bigfoots do. I can go out into the woods and if I hear somebody hollering and hooting, I can give them one right back.

Right. Or I can join their party and I can holler and hoot right next to them to get them thinking that it is, or I can have my cabin and I know I can get recognition. So I go out and grab a big boulder.

I put it in front of the house. I throw other rock at it, break the side of the house the way that it looks like that rock would really clean it up and then say, look, it was a football field. Right. I just don't see like there's too many.

The footprints,.

Like people come out and said that they fake those all the time.

Yeah. No, no, no. I know that people have faked them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, but, but they haven't really faked them. Well, you're not trying to fake them. They look, explain to me how is it that someone, because here's the thing, here's the thing.

So if I was to take a piece of plywood and, and, you know, take my router and cut it to where it is the size of a big foot. Right. And I was to tack some, my shoes onto it and go out into the woods. First of all, I don't weigh enough to make a prominent imprint into the ground.

Right. Second, my, when I, whenever I take my steps, my steps are not four foot to six foot away from each other. Right. Third, each step that's being taken doesn't match the previous step because whenever you step on it, like if you're barefoot and you step on a guy, let's say you step between a rock and that rock can make your toe move out or the mud can spread your toes out.

That's what's being shown that with each step the toe can be positioned a little different. If it, and it has that, that, that kind of step instead of it being like this, like, like you can see there's a group where the hill will be planted first.

All right.

That's detailed in the the pattern that they're finding in, in the ground, whether it's in mud, whether it's in snow or whatever, there's no way that, that you can take a piece of plywood and cause the toes to spread through the mud or through a rock.

As a leather worker yourself, don't you think somebody could become creative enough to be able to figure out a way to put leather on the bottom of on plywood and make it start doing the same actions that our feet.

I don't, I don't, I just, I just, I just can't,.

I just can't get over. Bigfoot's a Mormon dude. That blows me away. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew he was a Mormon dude.

There's probably, there's probably some encounter than the Quran and the Bigfoot wasn't recorded in that. It's like in the book of Mormon.

The Mormon has heard about Bigfoot through the Indians. All the Indian tribes spoke about Bigfoot. They had, they had different names for them and stuff like that. But, but there's, this is a Bigfoot all over the world and they're all saying the same things, same noises, same, you know, I haven't practiced my Bigfoot call, right?

So I'm not going to attempt to do it right now for you.

I know you are. Absolutely. You just said it. We all know you are. We cannot proceed until you do it. I'm saying, I think that those encounters could be demonic. I'm saying that there's a possibility that those things absolutely could be demonic, but I do not think it's a creature that we can go out and catch.

That's like something recorded in the Bible. I think it's demonic in nature.

Well, I'm not saying it's recorded in the Bible.

I do think that, all right. So,.

But I do think there's a creature and it could be something from the Bible. All right. Now we'll, we'll, we'll get to that later.

People are calling you out. They want to hear the Bigfoot call.

No, I'm not doing the Bigfoot call. You got to do it. But, but, but also the, the, the wood knocks like everything. So like, so like you got someone in California that has an experience and someone in Florida has the same experience.

Look at him. He's, he's wrong. Just run away.

We don't understand you.

Someone's got a long message here.

Can you guys hear me?

Yeah.

How's the audio? It's without a headset.

So, you know, the audio sounds fine.

Yeah.

You want to read it, Jeff?

Go ahead.

Alicia trail. I hope I said that right. You say I lived in Oklahoma for a couple of years. My best friend and I came back to where we lived and saw a creature large and dark across the road. We stopped in our tracks.

We could hear softly breaking branches all around us. And the stench that arose was not any wet dog ever. We've ever smelled. The dogs came out and sat at our doors, preventing us from opening them until we stopped hearing anything.

I believe you, yo. I believe you, yo.

I'm just going to, I'm just going to, I'm just going to ask a question.

Were you guys sober? You know, we got to ask that.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You are flopping.

No, no, no. I'm not.

No, you got to ask.

Pick a side. Pick a side.

No, I believe.

I'm going to give you an old parable. It's a straight parable. You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you cannot wipe your friends on your sleeves. I thought we were down. We are down.

You're wiping me on your sleeve, bro.

Are you kidding me? I believe in Bigfoot and Bigfoot believes in me.

All right.

He believes in me too. I think he's the world champion in hide and go seek, you know. But no, no, no, no. All serious aside, you know, you do hear the same stories over and over and over again.

That's what I want to get to.

Hold on. This is before you have written accounts from China all the way to Florida.

All over the world.

All over up in Canada. He gets around. He's got a very large family. Maybe he knows how to swim.

There's a bunch of them.

And this is why I think it's demonic. Because if it was an actual animal, you cannot tell me for a moment that with all the infrared and all the things that the military has, that we don't have a specimen.

Dude, have you ever went hunting for a wolf? Have you ever went hunting for a wolf?

Yeah.

All right.

Here's the thing. There's an old saying that when you go hunting for wolves, the wolf is hunting for you.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

The deer.

Just think about the deer population in the world. There is so much deer that we are allowed to hunt and kill them. But think about the woods can be full of deer. And the deer hunter goes into the woods to hunt for the deer.

And he might see one or two. Sometimes they don't see any. But the woods that he's in is filled with deer. That's because the deer, for the most part, knows that the hunter is there. But just because we don't see them doesn't mean they're not there.

But to push back on that, though, how many deer species have we not been able to find in the woods today?

There is a video taken in 1968, I believe it was, of Maddie, a female Bigfoot.

Is that the one that's from Roger Patterson or whatever the guy's name is?

Yeah, the Roger Patterson.

Yeah.

That guy came out and said that he faked it.

Bullcrap.

Yes, he did. I've watched 30 hours of that thing.

He did, too. You are full of it.

That guy faked it.

You are full of it.

Go watch.

He has on a lie detector and he says so. I'll send you the video right now.

Send me the video.

Send me the video.

Because I'm about to pay $130 for a photo of it.

Okay?

Send me the video. So everybody is saying...

Don't buy that photo.

You're getting scammed.

No, I'm not either. Everybody is saying on here that I'm flippity-flip-flip-flop.

You are.

You're a flip-flopper.

You're a flip-flopper. But I just want to point out, Elisa Trejo said, yes, we smoked afterwards.

You serious?

Afterwards? Maybe it was before. So, no, no.

No one is listening to you, man.

Listen.

Listen. Listen. Listen.

If I told you there was a group of men and women that were going out in the woods, doing weird seances, calls, trying to get somebody to call back to them, you would say that's.

Witchcraft.

And I'm saying it is. And that's what's happening with Bigfoot.

Well, I'm not saying people aren't going out there and doing weird things. When it comes to the Patterson thing, there's been experts on costumes of that day saying there's no way that they can make a costume look like that.

Roger Patterson's friend came out and said he was the one wearing the costume.

No, no.

And he walks like him.

I heard. No, he doesn't.

No, he doesn't.

Yes, he does. No, he doesn't.

No, he doesn't. I love it. Okay, now here's the thing. Here's the thing. Do you believe in the evidence of two or three witnesses?

Yes.

Okay.

Now, our court system will prosecute someone on the evidence of two or three witnesses. Now, if you were talking to an atheist and they're asking not proof of God, but proof of Jesus Christ, what evidence would you give them?

You tell me.

No, tell me. What evidence would you give them that Jesus of Nazareth was a real man?

That there were eyewitnesses that recorded it.

Oh, eyewitnesses.

Hold on.

Oh, he said eyewitnesses.

Look, you cannot compare the resurrection of Jesus Christ to Bigfoot.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying the evidence of two or three witnesses. That's what I'm trying to say. The evidence of two or three witnesses. If someone was being charged for murder and they had as many witnesses as there is a Bigfoot, they would throw that man in the slammer.

No doubt. And yet you got people all over the world with the same exact testimony, and you're refusing to listen to the testimony.

I'm not throwing out every witness. What I'm saying is that people do crazy things. Like people say that they see Jesus today, right? And we throw those things out because we're like, that's a bunch of baloney because the Bible tells me so.

Right.

What I'm saying is that there's some that could be legit, but it happens to be demonic instead of natural.

As long as one is legit.

So look at this. Look at Brayden. We can't be questioning the Native Americans after everything we've done to them. Now we're going to call them liars.

They stole their land and now they're liars.

Stole their land and now they're liars. And there's not enough casinos that you can do them.

I'm calling them out.

Just throw them out there.

Just throw them out there.

They lied.

Some of the Native Americans even have a tale that says this. It says, do not kill the big hairy man or within seven years you will die.

So, okay. So Native Americans also have some crazy things about gods and creation and all this kind.

Of stuff.

Should we believe everything that they said though on that stuff?

Did you not listen to what I said 15 minutes ago?

They gave us corn.

Look, all I'm saying is Bigfoot is a Mormon if he exists. And if he doesn't, it's within Mormon theology not to exist.

So don't ever tell me you ho to the evidence of two or three witnesses.

Oh, I see. This is how denominations are made right here. This is how it all happened right here. Bigfoot Baptist.

Bigfoot Baptist. Earlier, I don't remember if it was on the show, if it was before the show, but aliens were brought up. Right now, I'm not saying that I believe that there's a planet and the aliens are traveling from space into earth.

Listen, listen, listen.

But I do believe that these people are seeing something. You see what I'm saying? I would not say, I would not throw away their testimony. I believe they're seeing something.

All right.

There's too many witnesses of this for me to say they're not seeing nothing. They're crazy. They're smoking peyote.

Right. All right.

They're seeing something. Now, what it is, I don't know.

All right.

So so I believe that these people who are who are spitting out, you know, we've seen aliens. I'm not saying yes, they're aliens, but I don't think they're from another planet. Maybe it's some kind of dimension.

I don't know. I'm not getting into that conversation right now, but they're seeing something. Something's going on.

All right.

It could be people dressed up in alien costumes.

Right.

I don't know. But they're seeing something. Point is, you have thousands of people with testimonies that they saw, heard or something dealing with Bigfoot. And and you're just not listening to it. It's demonic.

Like, it's just it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense. Two or three witnesses. On the evidence of two or three witnesses, something big and hairy that's ape like and man like is living in the woods, that's making weird noises with their mouth and they're taking tree branches and hitting other trees with it.

And they're throwing big rocks that we can't pick up.

It's demonic. That could still be demonic.

Well, you know what? Maybe.

Maybe.

Let's get let's get. You know, I see Greg morning juniors on here. I think he's a isn't he? He's not dispensationalist, right? No, no, no.

He's not. Yeah.

Well, he's the borderline dispensationalist.

Yeah.

He's a dispensationalist. We still love him and everything.

But but anyone that's premillennial or look at it.

Yeah.

I think I'm just kidding. That shots. That's not.

I think I think I think you can agree with me on this. I think it's a Nephilim.

Yeah.

See, like if you were to ask me, does the Bible say anything about them? I would I would I would say they're probably Nephilim.

Right.

They're giants. They were they were in the world even after the flood.

Right.

So I think personally, I think they're Nephilim.

But which I wouldn't die.

I wouldn't die on that hill.

But that brings up a lot.

I would die on the hill of what I'm arguing right now. And that is on the evidence of two or three witnesses. I am unwilling to to disregard it because thousands of people, thousands of people have the same exact testimony.

And because they have the same as same exact testimony. I'm stuttering a little bit. I believe there's something that's very large in between seven to nine feet tall. Harry, I'm not saying they're half man or half monkey.

That's not what I'm saying. But they're they're a flight and human life because they they stand up on their feet like they're walking on two legs. So so by that human life.

So so from what I'm what I'm tracking, this is where I'm where I'm coming with this. So like the Nephilim, if depending on how I'm not dying on that hill. No, I know. I know. Let me just understand this a little better.

So Nephilim since so in the interpretation that they are the offsprings of fallen angels.

No, no, no, no, no. Where do you get that at?

I'm just I. This is a popular theory for what Nephilim is. That's what I'm saying.

I know, but that's not what the Bible says.

I'm trying to clarify what you're saying that that might be what it is. I don't know if that's where you're coming from.

I prepared for this. I listened to Chuck Missler all day today about the Nephilim. So I was studying all day long.

Look, if you got it from Chuck Missler, he's got to know the Nephilim wrong, brother.

No, I have to correct on this. Let's hear what he what he has to say.

Bring it out, Habs.

OK, I got a question.

All right. So if you found a baby Bigfoot, a baby sand squinch.

All right. Sand squinch. Whatever, you know, whatever.

If you found a baby Bigfoot, would you raise him as your own? You know, would you like?

I would, yo.

Wash him up, put a collar on him.

No!

You're letting a demon into your house, Jeff. It's not a demon.

Yeah, maybe he's some type of a big old monkey.

You know, a really smart monkey that knows how to play hide and seek really good. You never know.

But no, no.

I'm just saying, you know, like you have so many people out there that. That think that that that fall into this this camp of, you know, it's a Nephilim like like you have all these sighting. I mean, like tons and tons of sightings of giants all over the world.

And some of them had hair. Some of them have red hair. Some of them have six fingers. And we find evidence of their skeletal remains that that's that's a fact that can't be denied or whatever.