Matt Slick Live: September 5, 2024

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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live! For answers, take in your calls and respond to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live and as usual, if you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

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Today's date is, let's see, September 5th, 2024 for the podcasters and stuff.

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Hope to hear from you. If you want, you can give me an email, send me an email, just do that at info, info at karm .org,

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info at karm .org and put in the subject line, radio comment, radio question and that should be fine.

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Just like that. We can get to them. We usually do them on Fridays. Now, I'll be on tomorrow, but next

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Friday, Friday the 13th, I'm going to be flying out. I've got to speak at a conference, so I won't be on live on that Friday, Friday the 13th.

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Maybe we'll talk about Friday the 13th, where it came from, what are the theories about it. It's really interesting. So, there's that and for those of you who might be new to the show,

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Matt Slug is my real name. It is. Happens to work great for radio. I've got a voice for radio, they tell me, a name for radio, and a face for radio, so it all works out, trifecta.

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And if you want, you can continue to listen. I deal with the issue of apologetics, the defense of the Christian faith,

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Christian theology, and speak against things like abortion, LGBTQ, socialism, communism, speak against Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, women pastors and elders, and all kinds of things from the

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Bible that we talk about, because the Bible is the truth, and you need to believe what it says.

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You need to believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh, who died on the cross, rose from the dead. That's what you must believe, you must affirm, and if you don't, then when you die, you'll be lost.

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We don't want that. All right, having said all of that, let's get to Alan from Virginia. Alan, welcome.

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You're on the air. Hey, Matt, how's it going? It's going, man, it's going.

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What do you got, buddy? I had a question for you. I was listening to—I was trying to listen to different types of Reformed Calvinists and other types of subjects on—with religion, just to kind of expand my knowledge and whatnot, and I came across John MacArthur.

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Do you have any opinions on him? Yeah, he's a good teacher, a good Bible teacher, yeah, and it's hard to go wrong with him.

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And I saw there that some people tend to dislike him, but I don't know the whole drama stuff with MacArthur.

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Well, you know, who's going to like everybody? I mean, it's just how it is.

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So he's a good guy and I have good stuff to say about him. You know, there's always differences of opinion.

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You know, he's a cessationist. I'm not, kind of thing, but, you know, and he believes in preacher or premillennialism.

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I don't, but those are irrelevant as far as being a good Bible teacher goes. So he's a good

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Bible teacher and worth listening to, and I would just, you know, say, yeah, no problem, man. No problem. Do you have any other recommendations for pastors?

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Well, John MacArthur's pretty good, and James White's good, and—oh, man, he works with James.

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I can't remember his name. Oh, I hate that. Okay, come on. Who works with James, guys?

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I've talked to him several times, too. I'm just bad with names sometimes. Jeff Durbin, thank you.

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So Jeff Durbin's good. There's other good pastors out there. There really are. You know,

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I'm not knocking them. Votie Bauckham is good. So yeah, there's some good guys out there.

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Do you do any debates? Because I tried looking up MacArthur's debates, and I think he only had one, and then the format wasn't really a debate format in my opinion.

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Yeah, I don't know about him doing debates. He's a pastor. He's not an apologist and that's okay.

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Okay. Yeah, I mean I do debates. I'll be in one in a couple of months or something like that or I don't know

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November I guess I'm scheduled. So trying to figure things out. But anyway, yeah.

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Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate it, man. All right, man. God bless.

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God bless. You too. All right. Well, that's Alan from Virginia. We have three open lines.

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If you want, you can give me a call. The number's 877 -207 -2276.

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That's right. Anthony Rogers. I know Anthony. He's a good guy. He's also good. Yeah. All right.

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Let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You are on the air.

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Oh, hi, Matt. My question today was about the

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King James Version of the Bible versus others. I know there's some controversy with some people, whereas King James only.

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I used to be one of those until I kind of matured and I found that I have to use several versions to kind of get as complete of a look at the

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Word of God as I can. But I have friends who are ministers who are still kind of wrapped up in that and I still see the things

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I kind of struggle with is when I see words in italics and then I hear quotes about not changing the

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Word of God and you know they tend to argue against each other. For me, some of the italics seem to only enhance the

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Word and not alter it or take away from it. And some other versions I was a little skeptical of, but I just kind of wanted to hear your thoughts on it.

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Well, so the idea about translations is interesting. I'm gonna give you an example.

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In Spanish, to say I'm hungry is literally yo tengo hambre. I, I have hunger.

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If you go literally, it's I, I have hunger. Or kind of literal is

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I have hunger. Or what it really means is I'm hungry. But if you're in surf talk, it's

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I'm craving grinds. So, you know, back in the day, back in the 80s and stuff like that, there's

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Grimmies and stuff. But anyway, the thing was in Southern California, the thing was that or thing is that when you translate, as far as equivalence goes, there's a an attitude that the translators will have how much literalness versus how much meaning.

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Because sometimes the meaning for littleness in our language doesn't quite work. Well, that's one issue.

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Another issue is the King James Version was translated with roughly 5th century documents, 5th and 6th.

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And they're good documents in Greek, but since then older manuscripts have been found.

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And generally speaking, the older manuscripts are better, because the closer to the source, the less time there is for additions, slight copyist errors to have been made.

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So the King James is good, but the newer translations are better, because they use older manuscripts, and they use more colloquial terms.

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They're more updated in our language. In the 1611, the original version, people don't use it because you could hardly read it.

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So they use a later version in the 1700s, and it's updated, and that's the kind of style of English that is used in the

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King James. And that's fine. Now, one of the things the King James people like to say is that the new translations take things out.

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They take the Word of God out. They take the truths about Christ out. But they just assume that the

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King James was perfect, and that it was a perfect transmission of texts.

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Well, the older manuscripts show that there were a few additions to the text, usually marginal writings that became included.

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And the King James picked up on those and used those. So it's not an issue of modern translations taking things out.

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It's that the King James put things in that weren't really there. So that's really what's going on, and that's how to look at it.

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Okay? Okay, yeah, thank you. That answers my question. Okay.

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Well, good. You know, I hope that helps. And King James is fine. I don't argue with people about it.

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If they want to say, the King James is the only true translation, then I tackle them on it. I go, let's talk.

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So, okay? All right, then. Okay, I guess that's it.

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And so that's a new system, and we'll be moving stuff over gradually as the years progress from the old to the new.

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And there you go. All right. Now, since we have nobody waiting, I think what I'll do is get to some of the radio questions that have been coming in via email.

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Again, if you want to email me, the number is 877, excuse me, just email me at info at CARM .org

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and put the subject line, radio comment, radio question, and we can get to them. And just a reminder,

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I'll be down in Salt Lake City. I'm going to hear a friend preach on Sunday, but next week, Friday the 13th,

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I fly to Southern California. I'll be on a panel discussion on Friday the 13th in the evening,

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Lord willing. They're discussing Islam at the Calvary Chapel of Yorba Linda.

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Calvary Chapel of Yorba Linda, that'll be on Friday the 13th. Yorba Linda is in Orange County, Southern California.

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And then I'll be speaking on the next day, the same church, three lessons I'm going to do on the hypostatic union, which

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I'm really looking forward to the two natures of Jesus. I'm going to show people stuff they don't know about. It's going to be great.

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Also, what did Jesus accomplish on the cross? I'm going to show them some things people don't know that he did on the cross.

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And I have 23 things I could go through, but I'm only going to get to 10 because I just don't have time. And then I'll be preaching on who is a better moral example or teaching on that is

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Jesus or Muhammad, going through that. And then on the following Sunday, let's see, 13th, 14th, the 15th,

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I will be by God's grace preaching two sermons at the Calvary Chapel in Norco, which is on the 15th freeway north of the,

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I think it's north of the 91, yeah it is, on the way up to Ontario.

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I used to live in the area, so it's been 20 years, but I'm very glad I said it is. Anyway, whatever, all right, hey, let's get to some of the questions.

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Here's a chain of questions that came up in our Fully Man, Fully God texting chat.

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Is original sin actually sinful? Okay, now the way the sentence is structured is sin sinful.

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Sin doesn't sin. Sin is an abstraction.

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It's something that we do, and it occurs in the mind and the heart with intention.

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And so original sin is simply what

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Adam did. He sinned by rebelling against God, eating of the fruit, and we were made sinners by what he did.

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The many were made sinners. That's Romans 519. It's the hater's passive indicative.

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And that means that it happened to us. We received the action of his fault to us.

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That's what it says. That's original sin. And then the question goes on, or is it a nature to desire to do sinful things?

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Well, because of Adam's sin, we are born with sinful natures, and that would be found in Romans 519, again, through the transgression of the one, the many were made sinners.

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And in Adam all die, 1 Corinthians 15, 22. But we are all also by nature children of wrath,

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Ephesians 2, 3, because that's just how we are. We're born of a sinful lineage, and so we inherited the fallen nature as well as a sinful nature of Adam to ourselves.

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And so that's it. We do have a desire to do sinful things because it's part of what we are now.

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Hey, there's the music if you want to give me a call. 877 -207 -2276.

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We'll be right back. 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. Sorry about that.

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All right. So what do you got, buddy? You're on the air. That's all right. Yeah, I heard you say that King James added stuff to it and that the newer translations are more accurate.

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What did the King James add? There are several things, like the longer ending of Mark, Mark 16, 9 -20.

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There's some serious doubt about its validity because it doesn't appear in most of the older manuscripts, plus has 17 non -Markan words used in a non -Markan sense.

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In other words, 17 words appear in those 11 verses that don't appear anywhere else in the entire Gospel of Mark. That's one thing.

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The Comma Gehennium, for example, 1 John 5, 7 and 8, it's not considered to be reliable, and it's in the

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King James, but not in older manuscripts. And there are translation issues.

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Romans 5 .18, for example, it really does a bad translation of that, which is a very critical verse.

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Titus 2 .13, it doesn't understand, apparently, the Granville Sharp rule when it comes to Greek translation about different articles inside of nouns and things like that.

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There are places you can find more information and stuff like that.

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I'm going to have to look it up. Not to say that King James isn't trustworthy, it's just that they did a good job with what they had.

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And since then, older manuscripts, more reliable manuscripts have been discovered. And the newer translations, the

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Bibles use those. Okay. Not a big deal.

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That's all I have. I've never heard that before. I'm going to have to look at these in Mark. Sure, no problem.

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Sounds good. Have a great day. Thank you. God bless. You too. God bless. All right.

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Well, we have nobody else waiting. Slow day today. If you want, you can give me a call. 877 -207 -2276.

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So let me get back to some of the questions that were asked. Is original sin passed down to everyone as a result of being human?

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Yes, it is. Except for Jesus, because Jesus did not have original sin. The theory behind that is that he was not biologically descended from the male.

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And so it looks like the authority and representation is in the male. Federal headship, which is the male represents a descendants.

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Adam and Eve were in the garden. She sinned first, but sin entered the world through one man. Adam, Romans 5, 12.

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So some think because in the virgin birth, there was no male activity involved, only

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God and Mary. Then the original sin was not passed down to Adam. I mean, to Jesus, excuse me.

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And it says, or has it passed down from one father figurative in the already addressed that was

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Jesus born without a sin nature? Yes, he was born without a sin nature to the Immaculate Conception from God. The Immaculate Conception in Catholicism deals with Mary, not

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Jesus. Immaculate Conception teaches that Mary was born without sin, which is ridiculous. It just I wish they'd stop their idolatry.

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Anyway, the Immaculate Conception from God allow him to be someone that is able to overcome original sin.

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So it's not he overcame it. He just wasn't affected by it. He says, comment, because some preach that a

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Jesus that is affected by original sin is heretical. That's correct. To say he does not have a sinful nature, that that's the best view.

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That's the proper view. And that original sin nature could not be passed down by Jesus. Mother only male. That seems to be the seems to be the case.

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That seems to be what's going on. All right. Let's get on with Jacob from Michigan. Jacob, welcome.

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You're on the air. Hey, Matt. And it was Missouri.

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I probably misspoke. It's all right. I I was wondering if you could clarify

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Jesus being the word and what the word means.

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Like I'm having trouble grasping that. All right. So we have to start with it.

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Trinity first in order to do that. So the Trinity is the teaching that God exists eternally as one being.

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And he is divinely simple. Divine simplicity means that God is one substance, one thing within the one substance of God are three distinct persons.

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The father, the son or the word, the father, son and the Holy Spirit. The ontological

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Trinity is that all of the members, all the persons share the same essence and properties.

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The economic Trinity designates that the three persons have differences in their relationship to each other and to us.

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The father begets the son is begotten. The Holy Spirit convicts the world.

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All right. So we see things like that. So when we talk about the word that became flesh, what's happening is we take a little bit of time and show you some stuff here.

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If we go to Genesis one, one and we go to John one, one, we see a parallel.

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Genesis one, one in the beginning. Yep. God. God created the heavens and the earth. John one, one in the beginning was the word.

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The word was with God. The word was God. But you go back to Genesis. It said God said in verse three, let there be light.

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And it was there was light. That's verse three. Well, in verse four of Genesis of John one, you know, it says in him was life and the life was the light of men.

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So we see a parallel. And it says that the word became flesh and dwelt among us. That's John one, 14.

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So what this means, then, is that the second person of the Trinity, the eternal word became incarnate in the person of Christ.

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So that the one person of Christ has two natures, a divine nature and a human nature.

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And we call this the hypostatic union. That's who Jesus is. So Jesus began his existence 2000 years ago because Jesus, by definition, is the union of the two natures that began that union began 2000 years ago.

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However, the divine nature, of course, is eternal. So the hypostatic union says the one person is the word and human nature.

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God and man joined, but not mixed, not combined, not made in a new third thing.

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New third thing that is, but made into in a union into the one person.

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And then the attributes of both of those natures are ascribed to the single person.

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That's called the communication of the properties. That's who

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Jesus is. OK. OK. And I did.

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I noticed that from Genesis and then from John, it was it was similar, like he did that on purpose.

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Yes, he did. OK, right. Because the

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God, if you notice, God said, let there be light, that he was the creator. Right. And right.

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And Isaiah 44, 24, God says he makes all things alone by himself. No one was with him.

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You go to John one, 16, talking about Jesus, for by him, all things were created, both in the heavens and on the earth and visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities.

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All things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things.

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And in him, all things hold together. Now, that's interesting stuff.

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All right. Is that answer it, buddy? We had a break. Yes. Perfect. Thanks, Matt. All right, man.

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You're welcome. God bless. Hey, folks, be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. 877 -207 -2276.

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Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air here with Rebecca from Salt Lake City.

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Rebecca, welcome. You're on the air. Yes. Hello, Matt. Can you hear me? Hi. Hi.

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I hear you fine. OK. I was just listening to you earlier, when you first came on, that you're going to be in Salt Lake City.

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And I wondered, again, I missed the date and the time and where. Could you please tell me? I'd like to go. Well, I'm just going down Saturday.

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I'm going to spend the night with some friends. And then Sunday, I'm going to go hear a friend of mine preach.

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And we're going to hang around a little bit afterwards and then come home. That's all. Might go to a restaurant. Might not. OK. Yeah.

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OK. Yeah. Well, you can, in the meantime, celebrate my birthday. I was born on the 7th, on Labor Day that year.

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48. Wow. That's good. OK. Yeah, I'll be driving down on the 7th.

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Happy birthday to you. Oh, thank you. First of all,

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I went to, you heard about the Pope about a long time ago saying about homosexuals, transgenders, they were welcoming the church.

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You remember that? Well, they should be welcoming the church. I mean, all sinners should be welcoming the church, yeah.

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But they're not to hold offices or anything like that, yeah. Oh, OK.

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All right. Because they weren't allowed in the LDS church here, the

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Mormons, until I think it was about a week ago when I heard the president say that they were now welcome.

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Are you LDS? Perhaps you can... Am I? Yeah. No, I'm Christian.

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Oh, OK, good. OK. No, I was raised Catholic, you know.

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And when I went to church as a little girl, I knew we went every Sunday, but, you know,

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I didn't know about Jesus. And plus, the preacher did the

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Mass in Latin. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I really didn't know. It's a ridiculous thing. Yeah, uh -huh, yeah.

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Uh -huh, yeah. So anyway, and I just wanted to, if I'm correct, the last gentleman called, and we were talking about Jesus, God, Jesus, and the

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Spirit. Don't we call that the Trinity? That's the Trinity, isn't it? Yes, the

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Trinity is one God in three distinct, simultaneous persons. The Mormon Trinity is three separate gods.

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That's a heresy. Mm -hmm. Yeah. I thought it was the

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Trinity, yeah. OK, well, that's what I wanted to mention. You may call it Trinity, but it's not. Thank you for the mention. You're welcome, then.

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OK, well, God bless. OK, you have a good day. All right, you too. Thanks, and happy birthday.

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All right, for those, we don't have anybody waiting right now. Yeah, in fact, a lot of people don't know this, but Mormonism does teach that the

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Trinity is a triad. It's not really a Trinity. It's a triad.

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The Trinity, by definition, is one being, not three gods. A triad is three gods.

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The Trinity is one God who simultaneously exists as three persons, just the same way as time simultaneously is past, present, and future.

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But we experience only the present, and we distinguish between past, present, and future by the relationship to each other and to us.

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And so past, present, and future are all the one thing, but there's different aspects of the same thing, and they're there.

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So that's just an analogy. But in Mormonism, there's a God, the Father. There's another

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God, Jesus, and another God, the Holy Ghost, and then there's a goddess wife, too.

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So Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, said this in the teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith, page 370.

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He said, I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the

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Father, and that the Holy Ghost is a distinct personage and a spirit. And these three constitute three distinct personages and three gods.

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That's what Joseph Smith taught, the founder of Mormonism. And out of the 70s quorum, Milton R.

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Hunter said in his Pearl of Great Price commentary, page 52, the ancient prophets knew that the

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Godhead consisted of three separate and distinct personages, each of whom had a definite work to perform, and yet they all worked in perfect unity as one.

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The three gods constituted the Holy Trinity. So you can see, this is what

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Mormonism teaches, that there are three gods, and of course, that's a false teaching.

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And we know that's a false teaching because of what the Bible says. It's very easy to get to and show you, and I will right now.

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And by the way, as I go to look up these verses, in Mormonism, God the

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Father's name is Elohim, and the name of Jesus is Jehovah.

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So that's what they say, except the Bible says Jehovah is Elohim. For example, in 1

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Kings 8 .60. Anyway, in Isaiah 43 .10, you are my witnesses, declares the

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Lord, declares Jehovah. And my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he.

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Before me there was no god formed. There is no Elohim, that's what the word is, God, and there will be none after me.

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You can also go to Isaiah 43 .6, which says, thus says

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Jehovah, the king of Israel and his redeemer, Jehovah of hosts. I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no god besides me.

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That's what he says. And Isaiah 44 .8, do not tremble and do not be afraid, have

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I not long since announced it to you and declared it. You are my witnesses, is there any god besides me, or is there any other rock?

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I know of none. Now who's talking? That's Yahweh, that's Jehovah. If you read verses 6, 7, and 8, that's

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Jehovah's talking. He says, is there any god besides me? I know of none. See, in true biblical theology,

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Yahweh is simply Jehovah, Yahweh is simply the name of God, the name of Elohim. It's just the word

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God, that's all Hebrew is. The word for God in Hebrew is Elohim, like the word in Spanish is

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Theos, or Dios, excuse me. Greek is Theos. So, different languages have different words for God.

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And in Spanish is Dios, and Greek Theos, and in Hebrew it's Elohim, that's all.

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And so, what's Elohim's name, what's the name of God? It's Yahweh. But the Mormons say, no, Jehovah is, or Yahweh, Jehovah, is

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Jesus, and Elohim is the Father. It just doesn't work, it's just not true.

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We can also go to Isaiah 45 .5. And, let's see, there we go.

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I am Yahweh, and there is no other besides me, there is no

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God, there is no Elohim besides me. That's what it says right there in Isaiah 45 .5.

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So you know what happens when I talk to Mormons and I show this to them? They just skirt it, they just believe something else, they choose to ignore it.

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Why? Because they're Mormons, they're not Christians. Because they're loyal to Joseph Smith, and they have a testimony, they bear witness in their hearts.

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The hearts desperately weaken to see if a Mormon can trust in Jeremiah 17 .9. But they trust their hearts, they trust that God has given them a testimony.

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But when I compare my testimony to theirs, I've never heard a Mormon whose testimony is as strong and as powerful as mine.

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Seriously, I'm not saying, hey look, my testimony can beat up your testimony. But the point is, even when

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I've talked to Mormons and given them my testimony of how I got saved, I say, is yours stronger than that?

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And no one's ever said, yes. You ever had that happen to you? No. Then why is it that what I believe is so different from what you believe?

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I bear witness to you in the name of Jesus Christ, by the authority of the Lord Jesus, that there's only one

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God in all existence, in all place, in all time. There was never a man on another planet, that Joseph Smith was a false prophet.

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That Mormonism is not of God, it's a deception from the devil. And he has deceived so many in it.

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And you want to know why he's so successful in it? Because he gets people to trust their hearts. Well, people say, no,

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Jeremiah, excuse me, James 1 .5, if any of you lack wisdom, let them ask of God.

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Well, the context is talking to those who are already believers in God, not praying about a book to see if it's true.

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You don't pray about God's word. You don't say, God, where's the Bible say that's true? Can I pray and ask you if it's true?

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It's true because it's his word. He doesn't need you to ask him for verification because he is simply the one who speaks truth.

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It's true because it comes from him. What Mormons do, they don't realize, is they're undermining the very nature of God's authority and work.

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When they say, I'm going to pray about something other than his word, the Book of Mormon, from a guy who said he saw

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God the Father. When the Bible says, but you can't see God the Father. In 1 Timothy 6 .16,

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he dwells in unapproachable light who no man has seen or can see. But they don't care.

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They say, he could see him. Joseph Smith saw him. How do you know? Because I tell you, I have a testimony that makes it true.

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In other words, what they're doing is trusting their so -called testimony above the very clear, specific word of God.

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That is why God allows them to be so deceived. Because they essentially are calling

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God a liar when they deny his word. Because God has spoken through the apostles and prophets.

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God dwells in unapproachable light who no man has seen or can see. 1 Timothy 6 .16. The Mormons say, that's not true.

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And God says, if that's how you're going to be, then you're opening yourself up to demonic influence. Because you're not believing the truth.

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And so they believe a lie. Hence, they believe Mormonism. We'll be right back after these messages.

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Please, stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live.

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Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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You can do it one time or whatever you want. Information's right there. Scott from Spokane.

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Hey, Scott. Welcome, man. How are you doing? Good. How are you? Hanging in there, man. Hanging in there.

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What do you got, buddy? Could we go to Hosea chapter 2, verse 16?

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Hosea 2. It will come out in the day that you declare to the Lord that you will call me Ishi and no longer call me

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Baali. Yeah, okay. Yeah, what is that about? What's being said here?

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God, it has to do with the word husband. And look at my notes. I don't want anybody to think I have all this memorized.

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I have a great Bible program. And so it says, you'll call me Ishi. And when you put the mouse over the number one, it says,

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I, E, my husband. And Baali, my master or my Baal. And so E, lo ami in Hebrew is not my people.

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Lo is not. And E at the ending is kind of like a negator thing.

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Well, anyway, so actually it isn't. But so what he's talking about is, or I think my, it has to do with my, that's right.

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So what he's saying is, because of what the people of Israel were doing at that time, he was going to punish them.

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He restores them later. And he prophesied that he'll restore them later in Hosea chapter two. But because of their idolatry, stuff like that, you will no longer,

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I won't be your husband. All it is, is God speaking metaphorically.

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The husbandry. The word husband is interesting. It comes from, I believe it's an agrarian, agricultural context.

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Where a husband was a person who took care of things. In the land, in the field, the animals and things like that.

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And it's called husbandry. So, in fact, whoops, let me get over here.

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Husbandry, look it up. And this might shed a little bit of light on that from an ancient context.

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It was, yeah, it was the, yeah, that's right. Husbandry was a practice of cultivating crops and raising animals.

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The careful management conservation of land. And so the word has drifted into marriage.

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So that the husband, the man, is the one who takes care and guards and things like that.

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So this same kind of a thing could be related to the husbandry of God to Israel. And so then he's saying to them, no,

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I'm not going to be your husband. I'm not going to be the one taking care of you that way. And it's because of their spiritual idolatry.

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So he takes the word and uses it that way in kind of a double meaning in what

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God is doing. Also, he divorces Israel, too, in Jeremiah 18 .8.

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I think that's where that is. No, that's not it. Where does he divorce Israel? He issues a certificate of divorce, a writ of divorce.

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And maybe Charlie will put it in. He knows things, too. Yeah, there it is.

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Jeremiah 3 .8. I was thinking 18 .8, but that's something else. So Jeremiah 3 .8.

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I saw for all adulteries of faithless Israel, I'd sent her away and given her a writ of divorce.

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So the marriage husbandry language is there from God to Israel. OK?

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OK, great. Yeah. Thank you for that. And that's all I got. But I just wanted to let you know,

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I don't have it in front of me right this second. I just wrote it down. But Hosea 1, verse 6 appears to be a limited atonement supporting verse.

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If you want to check it out or whatever. But yeah, that's it. Then she conceived again and gave birth to a daughter. And the

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Lord said to him, Name her Loru Hama. For I will no longer have compassion on the house of Israel that I will that I would ever forgive them.

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The house of Israel. Yeah. And then if they repent, Jeremiah 18 .8, then he relents.

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That's what God is. But yeah, I wouldn't use that one so much. But I see it. OK. There you go, buddy.

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OK, cool. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Well, God bless. OK. All right.

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Now let's get to Luke from Ohio. Luke, welcome. You're on the air.

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Thank you. It's very nice to talk to you. Thank you. My question.

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Yes. My question is, I was raised Catholic for 45 years. And over the last 10 years,

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I became very interested in the true Christian faith.

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And I love verse by verse teachings. I love listening to them and learning to them.

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I've spent a lot of time listening to different pastors from Calvary Chapel, especially

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Joe Folk from Philadelphia. And I was just wondering what your opinion was of those, you know, that brand of teaching from Calvary Chapel.

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Yeah, sure. Surprisingly, I was in Southern California where Calvary Chapel started.

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And the founder of Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith, baptized my wife and I together out in the ocean.

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And she and I were married by a Calvary Chapel pastor. And we used to go to Calvary Chapel.

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In fact, I have a good friend up here in Idaho who's a Calvary Chapel pastor.

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And I preached in his church. Not this week, but the weekend after, I'll be at a

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Calvary Chapel in Yorba Linda, California, speaking at a conference. And then the next day on the 15th,

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I'll be preaching at a Calvary Chapel in Norco, Southern California.

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So Calvary Chapel is a good, basic church. If you want deep theology, you need to go to a

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Reformed church. And you can find out about those later. But Calvary Chapel is a good place to be.

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They're pre -tribulation rapture stuff, which I don't agree with. But you're going to get, verse by verse, you're going to get good stuff to focus on Jesus, not on sacred tradition and not on all these wacko things the

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Catholic church is at. It won't be praying to Mary. You're going to be looking at the Word of God, verse by verse.

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And Calvary Chapel is known for that. Okay? Yes, thank you.

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I learned so much in the last 10 years of my life about having a true relationship with Christ than I did in the 45 years that I was in the

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Catholic church. Right. Yeah, because in Catholicism, your relationship with God is governed by the authority of the priesthood in the

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Catholic church, and you have to go through all the rituals. So it steps in the way between you and Christ. And so that's what that is.

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Yeah. I was raised to think that God was just waiting to punish me, and I was always in fear of Him.

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But recently, like I say, over the last 10 years, understanding

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His grace and Christ's sacrifice and having a true personal relationship with Jesus Christ makes me feel so comfortable being in a relationship with Him.

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So I thank you for your answer. You know, what you're saying there is out of 1 Corinthians 1, 9, which says,

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God is faithful through whom we are called into fellowship with His Son, Christ Jesus.

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Fellowship is a communion. You spend time with the Lord. He's the one we're supposed to have fellowship with.

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We go straight to Him. And you will see more and more of that in Calvary Chapel. All right?

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It's not perfect, but it's better than the Catholic Church by far. Okay. Thank you.

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Okay. Okay. Well, God bless. Okay. All right.

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That's Luke from Ohio. And now let's get to Charles from Dayton, Ohio. Hey, Charles. Welcome.

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You're on the air. Charles. Hello. Hey, there you go.

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All right, man. So what do you got, big guy? Well, my wife, she's 74 and she said she was diagnosed with, we knew something was wrong.

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She'd been on rescue inhalers for a long time, but she's diagnosed with COPD June of 2023.

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And then she's had, the pulmonologist thought she had a lung cancer nodule.

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And so she went to Indianapolis and they verified it was, you know, first stage.

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And then she's had five radiation treatments and they said that it was shrinking. And that was months ago.

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And now she goes in a tent to get another CT scan to see how it's doing. But the daily problem that just is wearing me out.

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And even our daughters, you know, they've tried to help, but they're, you know, about, they kind of feel defeated too.

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But she, her appetite, I mean, she'll get hungry, but she cannot visualize, you know, maybe she'll, one day she'll say, you know, get me this.

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And actually in the four years that we moved from.

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Do you have a question? I mean, you have a question in there? Yeah. She, have you ever heard of any,

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I've asked medical people, specialists. Ever heard of what? About the fact that she, she can't, just like a little bit ago, she wants, she's hungry.

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She wants me to bring her home supper, but she doesn't know what she wants. Do you have a question though?

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Let's get right to it. If you had to formulate a question, what would it be? Do you know anything? Do you have any experience with anything like that?

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Like what? Spiritually or physically? What, an eating disorder? Somebody that gets hungry, but they don't know what, they can't visualize eating anything.

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Yes. It happens to all kinds of people. They just get hungry. Hunger is a physiological thing and the satisfaction of it can be an emotionally based thing.

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A lot of people who are traumatized turn to food to help themselves as a comforter.

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And so some people who are under distress can have that as well. And where food, it causes you to feel good.

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And so people will often turn to that as a way of self -medicating. And then it can become problematic, stuff like that.

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So sometimes I'll say to my wife, I'll say, you know, I'm hungry. I want something nice, but I don't know what I want.

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And then I say to her, because she's my wife, I say, can you solve that problem for me? And then she gives me this weird look. But it happens.

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It's not a big deal. I'm hungry, but I don't know what I want. That's fine. It's not a big deal.

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Yeah. Well, it's been every day for the last at least four years.

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And I've gone to, there's probably 30 different places that I've gone to.

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And most of them she can't go back to now. Okay.

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So your job as a husband is to be as supportive of her as you can with this.

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COPD is serious. And it might be a coping mechanism that she's having because it causes stress to the body.

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And she might just be reacting that way because of the stressors that are there. And what's associated emotionally with COPD.

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So your job is to just be comforting and not add to the stress. But guide her in it with prayer and love and patience.

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Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you.

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You're welcome. Well, God bless. All right. Hey, we are out of time. May the Lord bless you.

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