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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at calm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live.

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Today's date is, let's see, April 4th, 2024 for the podcasters.

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And if you want to give me a call, as usual, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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And you can also email me. Just send an email to info at calm .org

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and in this, the subject line put a calm question or radio question, radio comment, and we can get to you and we do that.

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All right. We have nobody waiting right now. Just a heads up. I'll be in a debate tonight in two hours.

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I believe it's two hours. Isn't that right? Two hours from now? I think so. And I'll be debating total depravity.

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And then next week, I'm supposed to be debating on does the

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Bible teach the deity of Christ or that Jesus is divine? And I'll be debating that next week.

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I guess it's with a Muslim, Nadir. I think I've even talked to him before. I think I know. And so does the

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Bible teach it? Yeah, it does. And it's a topic that I'm well aware of and have debated countless times over the years.

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So there you go. Along with the doctrine of total depravity, what that means. So not a big deal, but there you go.

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So hey, look, if you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

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And like I said, you can give me an email, info at CARM, C -A -R -M, info at CARM .org.

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And just put in radio comment, radio question in there. And that would be

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Mui Godot. That would be great if you could do that. All right. So we do have some of the questions already, and I'll get to those.

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But I started working on an article today. To me, it was interesting.

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And it happens every now and then I'll start working on an article, and it becomes, to me, different than what

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I thought and becomes interesting. And I'm working on the Catholic doctrine of the sacrament of reconciliation.

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And it's, you know, I am so convinced the Roman Catholic Church is apostate.

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I mean, I am so convinced it teaches a false gospel. And I was in a chat room a couple of days ago, and someone asked me, well, what do you think of the

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Catholic Church? And I said, well, I think it teaches a false gospel and promotes idolatry. And man, man, it hit the fan.

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I'll tell you, people jumping up, I don't know why

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I get a kick out of this, but I do. You're of Satan, you're a child of Satan for saying that.

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You just insulted God's true church. I'm like, oh my goodness, you know, they can't even see their own blindness.

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Well, how do you see blindness? At any rate, they can't even see that the Roman Catholic Church is just so unbiblical.

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And what I was doing was very politely just answering questions and showing stuff in scripture and I would show them stuff in scripture.

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And they always ignored it. It didn't matter what the Bible says. That's not the issue.

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The issue is, what does the church teach? That's the issue. The church is the ultimate authority, not

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God's word. And so I was called a child of the devil, the son of Satan. Because I'm a

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Calvinist, I was told that I was a Satanist because of that. Wow, man.

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So I thought it was kind of entertaining, actually, because I don't mind being insulted. I don't.

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You insult me. That's okay. We'll talk. You know, I just want to know why you're saying that. And I get a kick out of it.

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But man, oh man, oh man, you can't. You cannot say anything against their church, right?

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Because oh, then you're the devil. And yet they can't back up what they teach from scripture. And yet I'm the one who's wrong.

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It happens all the time like this. But at any rate, I got a kick out of it. To me, that was it was informative. It was interesting.

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And oh my goodness, look at that. What happened there? Get this going back up here.

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Let's see. Okay, come on. There we go. I did the camera. Oh, it is wigged out the camera.

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So I'm trying to get the position right here again. Let's see if we can do this. Get back it over here. And then we'll get to the callers.

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We'll get to Rusty from South Carolina. Hey, Rusty. Welcome.

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You're on the air. Hey, how you doing, Mr. Mac? I'm doing all right.

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Hang in there, man. What do you got? Yes, sir. That's all we can do. So, okay.

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So with the Bible, with the Old Testament and New Testament, is it set up for us to understand it for the past, present and future?

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Yes. It is. Okay. What was written in the word of God is written for instruction.

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It's profitable for teaching, reproof, correction, training and righteousness so that we can be adequately equipped for every good work.

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That's 2 Timothy 3, 16 and 17. So the Old Testament, New Testament is there. It is inspired in where to study it.

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Study both of those documents, both of those covenantal documents. Okay. So do you agree with when

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Jesus came to earth, I mean, from what I understand, I just want to get a second opinion, like when

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Jesus came to earth, that was when the end times started.

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Right. I don't know if I'm asking a question or are you like, no, that's a really good question.

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When he came to earth, is that when it happened or at his death or at his ascension?

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And I think we could make an argument for each one, but I tend to lean towards the idea that it was at Pentecost.

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I could be wrong. But, uh, Peter says in Acts 2, 17, you know, it shall be in the last days, you know,

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God poured forth his spirit. So that means that Peter was in the last days when the spirit was poured forth.

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Now the question is, when did that begin? So we know it was existing then, but did it begin when

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Christ arrived, when he was baptized, when he was crucified? So there's some good questions there.

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So I don't know how to exactly answer that one, but it's a good question. You gave me a good, okay, you kind of gave me something else to think about.

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I didn't know that about what you just said about the Pentecost. So I haven't read that for you, well

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I have, but I didn't, I ain't taken in like that. But now when I read it again,

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I now, okay, that why they said that the heaven, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

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Yes. Now he says that, Jesus says that at hand. Yeah, he said that too, yes. He said it before.

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So yes, and that's, yes, that's at Mark 1, 15, the time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand.

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Repent, believe the gospel, as Jesus said. So the kingdom of God, see this, your question is a good question because we could make the argument that, well, when it was here, when he arrived or when he got baptized, you know, but when he arrived, that's the fulfillment of so much when he was born.

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So the kingdom of God is at hand because he is the king. So we could say that the last days began with Christ, you know, as he was born.

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We could say that. That's a good question. I don't know what the right answer is. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. And you gave me something about thank you. I love the fellowship.

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Thank you. Amen. No problem. God bless. And you gave me something to think about too.

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I appreciate it. All right, Rusty. God bless. Okay. Let's get over to Joe from Toledo, Ohio.

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Hey, Joe. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how's it going? Oh, it's going. Hanging in there.

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What do you got? Good. Good, man. I just got a quick, I got a quick thought.

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I got a quick question for you. Let's get your input on. So I'm a born again

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Christian. All right. But here's the thing, man. Both of my parents are not.

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All right. I can't, I come from a family where I wasn't really involved in church growing up and they kind of look at it like it's a religion.

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My dad was a Catholic and the Bible says to honor thy father and mother, but it's hard to deal with them spiritually because I feel almost drained to be around them because you know what

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I'm saying? It's like I'm unequally yoked and I've tried to share the gospel with them and they reject it and reject it and it's hard.

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So I just wanted to know like, how do you, how would you deal with a situation like that? Well, you could put sleeping pills in their coffee and then when they get drowsy, when they get drowsy, you can just start talking to them.

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Okay. And they just kind of look at you and you just do this every day and you work it.

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Okay. And you can also set the radio station to religious stations and then when they're asleep, you can take a tape recorder, you know, with Jesus is

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God in flesh, you must trust in him, et cetera. And you just play it super soft outside the door, you know, and uh, you know, that's one thing.

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Okay. You know, you could do that. Yeah. Or what you could do is you could pray and you could ask

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God to give you the strength to be able to endure being in a home where your parents reject

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God. And so you will learn a great deal, a great deal through this. What's that? Yeah, I know.

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And that's, that's good stuff, but I don't live with them anymore. I live with my wife now, you know, it's just, it's hard to, it's just hard, man.

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Like my dad wants to come over and it's like, you know, you know the feeling, man. You know what it's like to be around people who don't have the same beliefs as you.

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And it's like, it's like, I just, I don't even want them in my house, but I, it's just hard, man.

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Well, you know, it's hard being a Christian man sometimes. Yes, it is.

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But think of it this way, you know, I wouldn't want them in the house if they were cussing and using the

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Lord's name in vain all the time. They wouldn't stop. They do. Right. Yeah. Well then, you know, this is what

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I did. Let's just say, uh, my parents, I'll get, I'll be very vague and they've passed away and I believe they're both with the

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Lord, but there was a time they'd come over and my wife and I were there with our kids and they would use the

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Lord's name in vain. And I told them, you know, I had mom, dad, but we don't do that in this house.

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And I mean this very lovingly, very respectfully, but if you don't stop that, you're not going to be welcome back here.

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They said, I'm the man of the house here. My wife and I agree. And we love you. We want you here, but we can't let our children be exposed to that.

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And you know, you said this politely and they didn't like it, but what are they going to do? Right.

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And so they, they actually curtailed it quite a bit and then when they would slip every now and then

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I'd give them a stare and they, they got it, you know, we want them to come over and want them to join the grandkids and stuff like that.

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But you do have to draw the line someplace and you need to back it up. And I say they agree to it and then they come over and they start cussing and do it anyway.

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You say, I'm sorry, we need to leave right now. And they're good. Right. And we're serious.

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I said, but you have to tell them, look, I love you. I love you. I'm trying to honor you, but I have to honor my Lord before I honor you.

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He's greater than you and I want you to know that we want you back, but you can't keep doing this.

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And please, we're just asking you to stop. Okay. You know, when you're here, you do what you want in your own home, but in this one, that's different.

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You're the man of the house. You and your wife need to decide what limits you're going to have and then just politely, lovingly enforce them and do it with prayer.

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And they'll get over it. They don't like it too bad. You're the man and they'll respect you more for it.

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And it'll work out. Don't let your wife. I'm not going to say that she's an emotional creature, overly or whatever, but don't let your wife go.

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Well, we just had to be nice. Let them in. No, no, no. Set the standard and just adhere to that standard and it'll work out.

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They'll adjust. Okay. All right. Okay. I appreciate that. All right, buddy.

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God bless. All right. Let me know how it goes. All right. All right. Thank you. All right.

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You too, man. God bless. Hey, folks, we have three open lines. 877 -207 -2276.

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Why don't you give me a call? We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live.

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Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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All right. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's easy. All you got to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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Let's get on the air with next longest waiting is Dave from Kansas City. Dave, welcome.

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You're on the air, buddy. Yeah. I'm the other Dave with the other rotator cuff, foreign rotator cuff.

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The other one. We have two of us. All right. All right. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Anyway, you know, as you said, there's so much heresy, so little time.

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What what I'm involved in now is Leighton Flowers. I'm sorry. I'm Ligon Duncan.

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I get those mixed up. Ligon Duncan accused Doug Wilson of federal vision being a heresy.

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Federal vision has some problems. I looked it up on GotQuestions and it said it does have why somewhere outside the boundaries of orthodoxy.

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But Doug Wilson contends that our vision is totally within the boundaries of the

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Westminster Confession. And I just wanted to hear your take on federal vision. The problem that is there with it is the issue of from what

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I remember, what I understand of keeping covenant in order to be saved. So that's what it comes down to.

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And so the issue then becomes, what do you do with the aspects of the covenant?

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Which aspects or covenant boundaries are you to keep and which ones are you not? And by keeping certain covenant boundaries, do you then maintain your position with God?

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Well, if they say yes, then I'm going to call it a false gospel. This is what I say to the Roman Catholics. I say to them, do you keep yourself right with the infallible good

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God by your efforts, your work, your obedience? And they say, yes. Well, that's a false gospel. If someone in the federal vision camp were to say yes, if they were to say it, that yes, they keep themselves right with God by keeping the covenant, then that would be a false gospel.

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But I suspect that they're too smart for that and they don't really believe that. From what I understand, the aspect of federal vision dealing with covenant deals with the issue as long as you're inside the covenant boundaries, you are saved.

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And if you're outside, you're not. Right. But the question I have is, is it the keeping or the not keeping that brings you in or out?

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Or is that you're in or out manifests in keeping the covenant boundaries? Then what are those covenant boundaries?

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Well, some covenant aspects of baptizing infants is acceptable.

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You know, I agree. I believe in the possibility of baptizing infants, but not for salvation.

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They don't pay to pay to community. They don't pay to community, which which I'll address here.

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But what I hold to what a lot of people hold to who affirm baptism inside the Presbyterian Protestant leaning is that it's not a saving ordinance, but that it's a covenant sign.

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The way circumcision was a covenantal sign for the for the children and that they were entered into the covenant, but it didn't save them.

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And so I look at the pretty very similarly. All right. So I used to know somebody who practiced infant communion because they believed that in the covenant, infant baptism covenant, they were then able to participate in the covenant of communion as well.

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And I said, well, the problem with that is that the Bible says he must examine himself before taking the communion elements as it can.

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Now, here's the question. Can an infant do that? And so he said, well, that's a good point, you know, because we can't say they can or can't, you know, you can't.

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But it doesn't seem to be the case that they can examine themselves, understand what's going on in the hypostatic union and their nature, repentance, et cetera.

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So I said, it doesn't seem to be consistent for you to be able to say that and then have them do that.

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And so I would reject that on that basis. You know, yeah, Lincoln Duncan made a

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I don't know if you probably haven't seen that, but Lincoln Duncan made a big stink out of it, which he called it the

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Moscow mood and he called them out, which James White and Apologia and Jeff Durbin got involved in it.

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And it became a big stink within, you know, calling Doug Wilson out and Lincoln Duncan with the gospel coalition called them out, called it the

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Moscow mood. So, you know, maybe Moscow, Idaho, I know Idaho is a big state, but it's not that big population wise.

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So this battle may be coming to your state near you soon. Well, I live in Idaho and I'm about five hours south of of there, and I know someone who who lives there and I thought about going up there to check things out, but I don't want to just drive up just to check it out.

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If I'm going to do something like that, I'm going to go there for a reason. But I do like I do like I do like the guys in Moscow.

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I do like a lot of things Doug does say he is crass sometimes.

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But, you know, again, I disagree with Doug on some of his his positions.

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But again, I think James White and him, James White's reformed Baptist seemed to bury the hatchet. So I don't think

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James White would associate with him if he was a total apostate. Right. And that's what I was saying is is that there are aspects of the federal vision that are varied.

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And so I believe some can go too far and others, which I wouldn't agree with certain procedures.

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Personally, it doesn't mean that they're in or out, but, you know, so that's what it comes out of the definition and the movement of the extent of the covenant aspect.

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OK, well, thank you, Matt. OK. Hope that helps.

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All right. OK, man. OK, God bless. All right.

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Now, let's see. Let's get to Jim from North Carolina. Jim, welcome. You're on the air.

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Hi, Matt. I'm calling. I appreciate you taking my call. My question is, I've been doing some,

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I guess, concentration on heaven and have studied

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John Burke and his studies of near death experiences and bringing that back to scripture as to the consistency of some of the patterns that these people encountered.

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And just wonder what your take is. Do you believe that near death experiences are kind of God's way of giving people a peek as to what is prepared for us so that they can tell others and convert more people to the kingdom?

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Well, I don't know if that's his purpose of allowing things like that, but I think he can use things like that.

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So I don't know that's what he's designing it for. I actually follow every now and then

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NDEs and so near death experiences.

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And I've read, I think, a couple of books on it or maybe half of each. I don't know. I can't remember. But it's been a while. And when we go to second

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Corinthians 12, two through four, it says, I know a man in Christ. I mean, he's saved who 14 years ago, whether in the body,

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I do not know or out of the body. Do not know. God knows such a man was caught up to the third heaven.

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And I know how such a man, whether in the body or apart from the body, do not know. God knows was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

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And he says, on behalf of such a man, I'll boast. I think he was referring to himself, but that's just an opinion.

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But nevertheless, so we see what can be categorized here as an NDE, where a person, so to speak, leaves our body and goes up to heaven.

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And it certainly seems to be the case right there in second, which is twelve to two, four. So because of that,

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I then can look at some of the NDEs as not being unbiblical.

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Then what I have to do is look at the content. And so when NDEs talk about repentance, a person comes back and repentant becomes a

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Christian. OK, thumbs up when they say the divine essence of the ethereal presence.

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We're all one with God. Then I know it's demonic. So hold on. I've got a break.

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Hey, folks, be right back after these messages. We'll continue to talk about NDEs a little bit more because there's more info about them.

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Lord bless you. Be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back with Jim from North Carolina.

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Buddy, are you still there? I am here. It was interesting that you brought up Corinthians because I was going to ask you, some believe that you talked last week about how

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Paul had such a radical, you know, transformation and why that doesn't happen more.

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But some believe that because of that radical transformation that he had an

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NDE, that whether he got knocked off the horse and that happened, or I believe he was stoned at one time and they thought he was dead, but he stood up and came back.

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Yes. And that's why I suspect that's all I can do is suspect that the stoning he received is the occurrence of his

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NDE and the not being knocked off the horse and blinded by the bright light might be an occasion of him being blinded or have faulty vision, because he says in one of the epistles, and I forgot which one he says, see that I write this with my own hand in large letters or something like that.

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So some conclude that maybe he had bad vision because of it. These are just points of interest.

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Can't prove them. So aside from that, you know, I'm not exactly sure, but I think that there's some.

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Oh, you know, what's interesting is that I remember this. The thing that really kind of got me was when

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I was reading some books on this, that medical professionals cited the some issues of people born blind and had been they'd never seen they'd never had vision.

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And there was either a car accident or surgery in a hospital and they had an

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NDE and they saw people. They went to different rooms in the hospital, were able to recognize people by their voices, apparently.

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And then when they recovered, they described what they saw. And there is just no way that they could have, because they'd never seen before.

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But yet they described people and were able to deduce a lot. What's this is and they could see things.

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Oh, that's what that looks like. And that's what this is. And to recognize people who were next to each other and in different rooms and is verified.

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So that to me is pretty solid proof that these things are at least some of them. Are legit.

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Now, what about the demonic ones? That's the issue. I remember seeing reading one about a

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I think it was a girl or a guy. I think it was a Howard Storm is the one that was an atheist that went the other way.

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And with the other way, he gave his

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NDE of when he went to when he went to hell. Yes. And the gnashing of teeth,

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I mean, all of that stuff. Mm hmm. I remember reading a story about I think it was a woman.

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She was in a car accident. And the car went into a pond and was submerged. And a guy jumped in and pulled her out.

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But during this period of time, she woke up in a place and there were these creatures after her.

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And she said it was real because it wasn't like a dream. So they were there.

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She was fully conscious and she was awake and she was terrified. I don't know if he became a Christian, but I do know of another guy who he actually went to the bad place for a while and he was revived and he's a

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Christian now. Yeah, very interesting stuff.

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If somebody wants to look at it, Pastor John Burke did a real good, good study on it. Imagine heaven.

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You could Google it. It's on YouTube. It's very, very unique stuff. Along with Lee Strobel, he did a whole series on it.

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Oh, good. OK, good. Thanks, man. All right, man. OK, buddy. Well, thanks for calling.

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All right. God bless. All right. Now, next longest waiting is

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Andrew from Dayton, Ohio. Andrew, welcome here on the air. Hey, how are you doing today?

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Oh, hanging in there. Hanging in there. Hanging in there. Oh, well, me and my wife were discussing this just a little while ago.

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Is that the night that Jesus was betrayed, he told his disciples to go and make ready for the

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Passover because he desired to eat the Passover with them. And then they went to the

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Garden of Gethsemane and was betrayed and taken to the Sanhedrin. But then after the

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Sanhedrin, Caiaphas, they took him to Pilate's Petorium or however you say it.

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And yeah, and the Pharisees, Caiaphas would not go in because they said they didn't want to defile themselves because they wanted to eat the

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Passover. And so it's confusing because it seems almost as if there's two

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Passovers to make this work. That's a very good observation.

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Yeah, and I've heard that that in some Jewish and I didn't. I remember reading about it, that there was an occasion for two

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Passovers. And it's been so long, so long.

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Yeah, I try to remember it. But yeah, there was an argument of two Passovers for different reasons.

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And I haven't even thought about it in a long time. What I heard is that I just don't

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I can't grab a hold of it. But something to do with the Galilean Jews held that the day began with the sun rising and the sun setting, kind of like what we do today.

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But the the Orthodox Jews, I guess, believe that, you know, in the

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Old Testament is the evening in the morning with the rush day. And so the day begins in the evening.

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And so there's something to do with that. But I'm not I can't really. Come to a solid conclusion on how

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Jesus kept the Passover in the Passover land, but then Caiaphas and the gang still wanted to keep the

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Passover and not be defiled by it. Right. It's hard to answer. Now, the thing is that for the

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Romans, the day changed at midnight. The Jews, the day changed at sundown, which lets us for the sake of argument, say, was 6 p .m.

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So there would be several hours of difference where for the Jews, it would be the 12th and it would be the 13th, for example.

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But for the Jews, the Romans, it would be the 12th, you know. So there is a possibility there that it could be have been mentioned in different senses from the perspective of of the different viewers.

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Now, that's possible if the gospel writers are writing it from the perspective to teach the unbelievers.

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And they say it was on this day or the second when he did it over. And it could be a confusion there. But there's it's under debate.

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It's been debated and it does not seem to be a solution to it. It's just one of those things in the

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Bible. You go, what? What's going on? And maybe we'll find some documents, you know, written back.

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They know that the two Passovers were begun, you know, 80 years ago at the event of whatever. And they would argue, you know, maybe you never know.

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Things like this happened. So what do you say? Well, like the only easy solution that I was thinking, you know how

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Jesus, he said, I'm the Lord of the Sabbath. Well, he's obviously the Lord of the Passover and he's the Passover lamb.

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So if he wanted to observe it at a different time, he's he is God. So he can do whatever he wants.

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But a lot of people say that that's not a possibility because he's going to fulfill it perfectly. Well, yes, he had to.

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He had to do it under the law. He had to fulfill the law. So he couldn't break that law.

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So he had to do it according to the scriptures because he was a man under the law. OK. But yeah. Yeah.

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Well, thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Amen. You're welcome. God bless. All right. Bless you. OK. All right.

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Now, next longest waiting is Ryan from Pennsylvania. Welcome back, Ryan. You're on the air. Thank you,

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Matt. I appreciate it. I wanted to make an observation. I was listening to a rerun of one of your shows, and I think it was toward the end of one of your shows or some of your after comments.

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You were talking about theonomy, and you were very cautious about your views of theonomy and how it should be implemented and so forth.

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I wanted to compliment you on that, because not a lot of people are cautious about what theonomy is and how it's supposed to be implemented and the conflicts that a

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Christian could have if they have political power. That's a very, very serious discussion that needs to be had before someone, before a

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Christian does take political power. And when I looked into theonomy years ago, one of the things that I noticed was like right after the

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Reformation, there was a great many wars that went on in Europe that are called the

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European wars of religion. And we can see that it's contrary to what

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Doug Wilson teaches. It's literally millions of Christians killing other Christians for a couple of centuries.

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And this is a very serious history, and it's a very serious question. But I thought your measured response to it,

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I found quite compelling. And I just wanted to compliment you on that, because it showed a great deal of thought that you put into it.

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Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. I have a philosophy that I think is pretty much perfect.

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If you want to mess something up, you just need two things, people and time. I think it's pretty much a guaranteed thing.

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And so if we have a bunch of people who are beautiful Christians, beautiful Christians, wise, who study the word of God and they're in control of an entire nation,

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I think there'd be a lot of harmony. What happens when they die and their children come in and they die? And successors, eventually it's going to go bad.

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We've got to be very wary. Well, yeah. Hey, there's a break. I mean, we can take we got to break. Hold on. All right.

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OK. Hey, folks. OK, there we go. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

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Everybody, welcome back to the last segment of the hour. Let's get back on with Ryan. OK, Ryan. Welcome.

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Sorry about the break, but here we are. I appreciate you letting me hang on. You know, the the, you know, you take a look at like John Calvin when he was in political power.

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He certainly had some abuses. You take a look at Oliver Cromwell far and away more corrupt than his secular counterparts and John Knox.

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I mean, there are innumerable examples of Christians with political power that completely abuse their political power.

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And so it's I agree with you. That is something that we really, really need to take seriously into question in great, great detail.

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You know, as an example, let's say that a Christian man becomes a congressman, gets elected to being a congressman.

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Well, what is his responsibility to people who have a belief that is directly contradictory or hostile to his theology?

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What is his political responsibility? And how does he how much compromise is allowable to his theology for the sake of politics?

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These are very serious questions. Yes, they are. And, you know, and that all too often, you know, we we fall behind terms like theonomy,

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Christian nationalism, and a whole slew of other terms like that. And just kind of go in wholeheartedly and say, yeah, this is the way to go.

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Really, really taking a close look at what this entails and and, you know, the historic problems that Christians have had when they have political power.

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So like I say, I was really impressed with your your cautious approach and your your questioning of these things, because that is not done very often.

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Well, I need to be cautious because I imagine myself in absolute control and power.

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What would I do? I mean, this is a mental exercise and you quickly run aground. I don't have the wisdom for that.

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So, you know, I thought, OK, well, I'd make it so that Christianity is promoted in schools, but not other religions.

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Was that fair? You know, it's like, oh, my goodness. So it just becomes a maze of difficulties.

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And I just I'm glad that God's in control and not me. Yeah. Well, and again, like I said,

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I've listened to a lot of folks who call themselves Christian nationalists and different things. And and this is just something that there's just a it's fraught with a lot of potholes.

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And it's when you feel like that God has put you in that position and you have

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God's authority behind you and you have political power. This is very, very dangerous. Yeah, it is.

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I don't think it'd be as dangerous as atheists being in absolute power since in the 1900s, over 100 million people were killed under atheist regimes.

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So, well, the you know, there's no doubt that, you know, any sort of authoritarian who has absolute power is going to be a problem.

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There's no question about that. And, you know, and I'm certainly not suggesting that.

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But like you say, there's just a lot of things that are being just kind of right shot over.

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And I'm not taking very seriously when we're starting to promote these sorts of things. But I mean, you know, James Madison, you know, the guy who wrote the

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Constitution, he said the reason that we that the we have separation of church and state was because of the wars that went on in Europe and stained the soil of Europe for centuries.

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So, you know, as corrupt as things can be, it seems like the idea of,

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OK, just no national church and no national religion is a good place to begin, you know.

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And but anyway, I like to say I I just did not find a lot of people being as careful as you were in your wording and your and your approach to it.

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And like I say, I wanted to commend you for that and compliment you for that. Well, thank you. Appreciate it.

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You know. All right. Have a good day. You, too. Thank you. All right.

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Well, now let's see who's next longest. And that's Grant from Utah. Hey, Grant, welcome.

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You are on the air. How are you doing, brother? Oh, my question.

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Yeah, my question is about the book of Enoch. OK. Is there a.

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Um. Any validity in it? Well, that's a tough question.

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Is there any validity or truth in it? Of course there is. You know, I've written a science fiction novel.

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Is there any truth in it? Well, of course there is. So when you write, when you ask that kind of question related to that kind of a book,

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I think a rephrase of the question might be something like, is it inspired of God? No, it's not.

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Right. Does it, however, does it have truth in it? Of course it does. Just like the apocryphal books do.

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But they're not inspired either. And of course, there's errors in the apocryphal books. But, you know, so, yeah, there's truth in it.

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And it's the book of Enoch is worth looking at. But I would recommend that people view it as non scriptural.

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And some people think, well, because Jude quotes the book of Enoch, then it must be inspired.

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Well, no, because there are lots of books that the Bible refers to that are not inspired of an article.

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I think there's like 21 books in the Bible that I've found in a way through reading and research that are mentioned, but are not inspired.

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The book of the War of the Lords or War of the Kings or something like that. For example, it's not inspired.

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It's just a document that was referenced while the inspired writer was gathering information. And Paul, the apostle, quoted pagan philosophers of Epimenides, Menander and Erastus doesn't mean they're inspired.

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Right. So, OK. Yeah, the only reason why I was asking, because I've been looking into the

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Nephilim. And apparently the book of Enoch talks about the

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Nephilim a lot. That's why I was asking if a lot of this book of Enoch is talking about that.

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And if, you know, I'm leaning more towards believing in that what the fallen angels have have done or have been.

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That's the biblical position. That's what I've seen, is that the fallen angels had relations with women and produced offspring.

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And that's the Nephilim. That seems to be the case out of Genesis chapter six. In verse nine, it says that Abraham was perfect in all his generations.

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And what's interesting is that Jesus says in the words, what's the days of Noah? So shall it be the days of the coming of men?

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So it'll be similar conditions. And when you go to Daniel chapter two with a statue of Nebuchadnezzar, where the top is gold and then silver down there and then down to the cross and then iron and clay.

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Yeah, the iron and clay, you know, is our time. Is this a lot of as experts say? Well, it's mixed, you know, they're mixed.

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But it says in 243 of Daniel, it says they will combine with one another in the seat of men.

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Well, what does that mean? It seems to be an implication in support of the Nephilim.

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Things going on again at the end where demonic manifestations are going to be occurring in physical form.

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So people say, well, it's ridiculous. Well, it's not ridiculous. It happened in Genesis six. The Jews always taught it.

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The Christian church taught it till the fifth century. So there's a lot of war to believe it. OK. And today there's more

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UFO sightings, more creatures that are. That they say that never existed or coming up and there's a lot of things that are coming up, just like the

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Bible said, that in the days there's going to be, you know, stuff coming out.

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Yes. Yes. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff. And the Bible talks about it and we have to be careful not to submit the teachings of Scripture to the sensibilities of human desires or political correctness or whatever.

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I hope to the Nephilim being the offspring of the fallen angels, because that's what

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I see in Scripture. That's my honest view. That's what it is. Yeah, I'm starting to believe that now, because at first I was just like, it doesn't really make sense to be until I kind of read some of the book

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Enoch and started making me like, OK, if there's a record of it, then there's got to be some truth in it.

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Well, the truth must be found in Scripture. That's how you know the book of Enoch has any validity if it agrees with Scripture.

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OK, so that's what you got to do there. I guess I'm saying more, more evident and more facts,

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I guess you would say. Well, there's additional information. OK. Yeah, right. Yeah.

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And, you know, I'm just I'm curious about a lot of things that I'm reading, like, you know, like for the book of Revelation talks about when he said, look, look at those that made it through the great tribulation.

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But, you know, it is saying that they went through the tribulation and didn't say they escaped it from the pre -trib rapture nonsense.

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Right. OK. Mm hmm. You get what I mean? Yes, I know what you mean.

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I do understand. But there's there are different views. And I try to be gracious to the people in the different, different views.

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But there you go. And I think you're right on track with that. And there you go.

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OK. You know, you know, the Bible talks about the remnant. Mm hmm. Oh, all through the book, the

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Bible talks about the remnant Noah a lot. Yes. And how many how many of the the people that came out of Egypt, how many have made it to the promised land?

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Not very much. The. Yeah. Now you're opening up another topic here, but which is a deep topic.

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I'm just saying a lot of things I'm reading that I'm finding out. We're good.

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But we're good. Just keep studying. Just keep reading. OK. We've got another caller I wanted to get to before the end of the show here.

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We only got a couple of minutes left. Three minutes left. All right. OK, buddy. All right, man. Well, God bless you.

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All right. OK, now let's get to Alberto from Georgia.

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Alberto, welcome. You are on the air. Yeah, my my question is, what a false preacher or who's preaching falsely and if America comes on Christmas, the persecution and the first person is willing to give its life to put a call to Christ to get his head cut off.

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We still going to happen. Even though it's supposed to be having difficulty understanding you. Are you saying there's a false go to heaven?

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What a what a what a false teacher would be willing to get his head cut off.

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A massive persecution comes to America. You're saying would you know it? No, no, no.

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The question is difficult because you're saying with a particular false teacher be willing to do such and such. I can't answer that kind of question.

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Don't know what they would or would not. Because they don't know there are false teachers.

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Some do know something that teach them truth and that their religion's era. So they think they're really arch at Christian preaching, teaching truth.

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And with that, which comes to America, if he has to give his head cut off for the cause of Christ, we're still going to have it.

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Even though he's post preaching. Well, no, if he's a false, it depends on where he's false teaching in. If he denies the deity of Christ, he's not going to heaven.

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But many false teachers will die for their faith. For example, in Islam, they'll die for their faith.

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This may make it right. So the issue is, what are they teaching? What are they affirming? That's what the ultimate issue is there.

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I figured to look at. OK. For the core doctrine, they might be teaching truth, but in other areas, it's false.

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So long as I'm right. And that's one of the issues that we look at. Right. What is the that's one of the issues we got to look at?

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Right. What is what would they be teaching? Is it audio for it or is it in the essentials? So, OK, a lot of noise in the background there.

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All right. So I know I'm sorry. Thank you. All right.

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All right. OK. That helps. OK. Bye bye. OK. Yeah. OK. Bye bye.

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