June 4, 2019 Show with Angus Stewart on “Gottschalk: A Medieval Confessor of God’s Absolute Sovereign Grace in Christ”

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And the first time I interviewed my guest today, Angus Stewart, I knew right away that

I wanted him to return for future interviews, in fact, many future interviews, and today

is the second interview, and I am thrilled to have him back on the program.

He is pastor of the Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena, Northern Ireland,

and we are today going to be discussing the theme, Gottschalk, A Medieval Confessor of

God's Absolute Sovereign Grace in Christ.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Angus Stewart.

It's great to be back with you, Chris, and I'm excited by the lovely topic we have to treat this

evening.

Before we go into the topic, for those of our listeners hearing you for the first time, why don't you tell them about Covenant

Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena, Northern Ireland.

The Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena,

or Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena, is a small

church meeting in the middle of County Antrim,

one of which is the 1618...

And the website, for those of you who either live in Northern Ireland or

are visiting there or have family, friends, and loved ones there, the website is CPRF, and that

stands for fellowship .co .uk.

That's CPRF .co .uk.

They developed that website before it was officially established at a church and

is still going under the name Covenant Protestant Reformed Fellowship.

That's why there's the F there.

So it's CPRF as in fellowship .co .uk.

That was very well done there, Chris.

You have it straight.

Yeah, well, last time you were on the program, I had no idea what the F stood for.

The

good

news is, Chris,

K -U

-R

-L.

Well, you might want to at least keep this current website active

that will switch over to the new one for the many people that still have the old website or the current website

written down somewhere.

That's just a word of advice.

No, you're quite right on that.

I believe, though

I'm not

working on this.

Well, I know there's something very wonderful and unique about your website from our last

conversation in that you have in many different languages available.

I can't remember if it was the entire Three Forms of Unity or just the Canons of Dort, but you have

either both or one of those options in many different languages, don't you?

Yes, we have.

Maybe even just, let's say,

the Apostles' Creed.

Different languages on

there for

the 40.

We give them

free books.

We gain some good fellowship and support from them, and then they...

And since we are talking about the Three Forms of Unity right now or the Canons of Dort more

specifically, I understand that a conference that you recently spoke at

for the 400th anniversary of the Canons of Dort, I believe the written transcripts of those messages are

becoming a book from all the speakers involved?

They

are

indeed a

400th

anniversary

publishing association.

Now, do you know the

title of the book?

The title

of

the conference...

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But thank you again, Reform Free Publishing Association, for your generosity.

I should add something here in case they say thank you, ma 'am.

Wow.

Well, you're speaking of David Engelsma, correct?

Yes.

Yeah, I've got to get him back on the show to discuss that.

You do indeed.

While we're talking about him and Chris, we should say a little bit about our little DORC conference in Norway

because our church sponsored one for Professor Engelsma.

For several weeks he was with

CPRC YouTube.

Go to YouTube and type in CPRC NINI.

Excellent.

Well, I will have to drop Professor Engelsma an e -mail and invite him back on very soon.

Today we are speaking about Gottschalk, a medieval confessor of

God's absolutely sovereign grace in Christ.

And if you could, tell us, first of all, when you speak of, or when

Christians, or actually when historians in general, speak of the medieval period, what

period of time would that be in history?

And specifically, out of that time, what exact segment of years

would Gottschalk have been in existence?

My ancestors, by the way, on my father's side.

I may have some Viking blood in me too, being from Scotland.

That's right.

In fact, Dublin is a Scandinavian word.

Dublin, Ireland.

Well,

most

of

the...

I never thought of my Viking ancestors as people to look up to as noble Christian people.

So you can go right ahead.

You're not snowflaking on me at the other end of the line here, Chris?

No, I'm not.

Okay, so then we have Alfred the Great,

the Danes, later in the 9th century.

So

we

have

the

Vikings

coming

in from the

north

and east.

Now, is he also known as Gottschalk of Orbae?

Is this the same figure from the 9th century?

Yes, they say Gottschalk.

Doesn't it mean servant of God, the actual name?

It does.

Now, many, in fact, most of our Roman Catholic friends

will claim this period as entirely their own.

They will say that Christendom during these

centuries, all the way up to the Reformation,

were really Roman Catholic other than they would call schismatics and heretics that existed

simultaneously.

But they will try to claim this period that Protestants will very

commonly call Catholic with a small c for the universal church, but they will try to make the claims that this was

a Roman Catholic period.

Would you agree with our Catholic friends on that?

Some remarks regarding Francis

Turden's

theology dealing with

just century was even more important.

When Turden said that in the Middle Ages there was a knowledge of

the uninspired, the

Apostles' Creed that we

believe in

the Holy Spirit.

The key thing, in that short,

the Apostles' Creed,

I believe the

forgiveness of

the Father Almighty, you believe in the Holy Spirit, you believe in the

work of Jesus Christ,

you believe that God has redeemed us from Egypt and sin, walk before me in my light.

...reference to Mary or the saints.

Then you see, there's the other issue, people haven't the same...

Wow,

wow.

Now, I'm assuming that Augustine of Hippo, who lived four centuries

approximately earlier, he, I'm assuming, was a great influence

on Gottschalk, although I don't know that for a fact.

I'm just assuming that because he's...

Augustine is viewed by Protestants, especially those who are

faithful to the reformers' teachings as taught accurately from the scriptures,

and even more specifically John Calvin, they would recognize

Augustine as one of the fathers of the faith that

highlighted and brought to light the doctrine of predestination,

and John Calvin viewed him as a hero of the faith, and even someone as recently

in the 19th century, Charles Adams Spurgeon, did as well.

But was Augustine a hero to Gottschalk, to your knowledge?

Chris,

you

can

now

take

that...

So I'm assuming then, Gottschalk would be considered a proto -reformer, a

reformer in the church prior to the Protestant Reformation, 700

years approximately prior.

I would agree with that.

Some

people,

perhaps

a

man

-brother.

So, I don't know.

Well, I'm not

sure that

the typical person,.

Whether or not they were in a monastery, bathed as often as we do today.

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very rarely discussed in this day and age.

Our guest is Angus Stewart the pastor of Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Balamina, Northern Ireland and we're

talking about Gottschalk of Orbe and he is a 9th century

Christian that is largely forgotten by your average Christian in the 21st century

and specifically we are discussing how Gottschalk was a medieval confessor of God's

absolutely sovereign grace in Christ.

If you could tell us now exactly what you mean by the phrase and

there's an interesting word added in a phrase that many people

will refer to especially if they're Reformed will refer to God's sovereign grace in Christ but you

inserted a word in the title absolutely sovereign grace in Christ it's kind of interesting I don't know how

familiar you are with the primitive Baptists who are also known as the hard -shelled

Baptists they are predominantly an American phenomenon and have dwindled

greatly in numbers since they arose on the scene a couple of hundred years ago but

they are both well I have to be careful not to broad brush.

Many of them are an enigma because they are both hyper

-Calvinistic and hypo -Calvinistic.

Many of them are hyper -Calvinistic when it comes to soteriology they believe that

God elects people and they remove so much of man's responsibility from the

equation that he elects people from salvation who never even become Christians on this earth which is

obviously a heretical and hyper -Calvinistic notion and they are also hypo -Calvinistic

because many of them do not believe that God is in sovereign control over all earthly

events such as hurricanes such as people dying from cancer after smoking

most of their lives or a child being hit by a car they call that.

Absolute.

They call Christians who view things that way Calvinists that view things that way as absoluters

and they view that as a derogatory remark.

To call somebody an absoluter is in their minds an insult.

But what do you mean by absolutely sovereign grace in Christ?

I can't comment on that

I'm

thinking

and

I

have

found.

Immeasurable comfort in knowing that through the hardest and most

trying times most sorrowful trials in my life I have

always leaned on that fact or those facts to give me comfort

because I am amazed at how many Christians claim I don't know if they really get comfort from this but they claim

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that were tragic in their lives he just allowed their loved ones to die.

But that is a trial without a purpose in my opinion

I believe God has ordained all things just as you, all things that come to pass and he has a purpose for them, even if we never

know that purpose, he does and that's what matters.

Amen, we have a listener we have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County Long Island, New York who

wants to know who were some of the famous contemporaries of God's Chog in the Christian

Church.

Well known now, so we're getting a little bit of that.

Nobody could even understand what he did he didn't get disciplined he wasn't

excommunicated, he wasn't put in under house

arrest like Chog was at

least twice, even the really bizarre.

In fact, could you widen it out when we return from our midway break we want to give you time to hang up also and call back

because I know that the rates are dramatically reduced calling in from the UK if you

only spend less than an hour each time you call so we're going to let you hang up now, brother,

Angus and we're going to look forward to your return call, obviously, so that you can continue the conversation after our

midway break if anybody wants to ask a question of our brother,

Angus Stewart, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail dot com.

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If your question involves a personal and private matter we are discussing the theme Gottschalk a medieval

confessor of God's absolutely sovereign grace in Christ and before the break as you may remember Angus you

were going to expand upon your answer to Ronald in eastern Suffolk County about contemporary

Christians in Gottschalk of Orbe's day in the 9th century

yes I.

Was not done in it not only

Charlemagne's

son.

Three

sons

went to Europe.

Then Gottschalk

met Margrave

Eberhard of Fruhle.

Then Gottschalk went into what was Yugoslavia

and is now Croatia.

And he stayed

published as Gottschalk stamp because he's a key man in

the

beginning

of the

Ecclesiastical

from 1848

to years

over

the

9th century.

An exaggeration

to say that

massive

issues

missionary work

in Europe.

He was

older

he

himself was a

mighty figure.

He was a poet.

The dedicatory poem to

the his

enemies

remarked a

theologian.

And he wasn't a martyr.

They didn't.

20 years on

their way.

I think you fit did a fine job and let's see.

Here we have.

Christian in Cumberland County Pennsylvania who asks to your knowledge

is Gottschalk the only believer in the 9th century

of all five points of Calvinism.

Other and are there any contemporaries that also shared his.

Views

prior

to

the

Reformation

and

then

he

will

they

do not

belong

to

that

will

that they be saved.

All those in God wills to be saved are not seen.

He has not done whatever.

He is not omnipotent but weak but he is

omnipotent who has done whatever he willed as the scripture has done whatever he

pleased in heaven.

Wow

well so just to clarify for our listeners when we are referring to

Gottschalk and those who even lived earlier than he did as believing in the five points of Calvinism

obviously those five points were articulated in an

acronym centuries later and Calvin didn't exist until 700 years

later.

What we're referring to is the actual teachings.

We're just labeling them as the five points of Calvinism.

Not that they were called that obviously because it was before many centuries before Calvin was

born.

But it is interesting that these quotes contain the phrase as

the old predestinarians taught.

So it's obviously making a statement of fact at least in the minds

of those speaking or writing that the predestination doctrine was something

that was at least a century earlier I mean and if not

centuries plural earlier.

Do you know how far back we can go into history

where all five of those points all five of those doctrines.

Total depravity unconditional election limited atonement the

irresistible grace and perseverance and preservation of the Saints.

Where all of those things were taught not as again and not in an acronym like that or by those even even by those

titles specifically.

But I believe that all.

Those things were

caught by

Augusta on limited

atonement.

But

here's

here's

Gottschalk on

predestination.

Only his body and members was certainly crucified only

for them and he undoubtedly suffered.

I doubt if

there's been anybody in the history of the

Christian Church and he's in the

9th century.

It's absolutely amazing.

And it's striking to how Gottschalk uses logical.

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Okay I'm tempted to ask you a.

Question.

But I don't want you to lose your place where you're looking.

Fire away.

Well my question was going to be as as many Christians

know who have any knowledge of church history Athanasius

was known as Athanasius well a phrase was connected with Athanasius Athanasius

contra mundum meaning Athanasius against the world when the leadership of the church

had nearly entirely a collapsed into the damnable heresy of Arianism

Athanasius is one of the very few Christians who stood strong and

firm on the deity of Christ in opposition to the church.

Now when we refer to God's truck as being a believer in what would be later

called the the five points of Calvinism

centuries later was he standing up nearly alone against

the entirety of the church as Athanasius did approximately

five and a half centuries before that.

I like that quote about the.

Whole world is against you.

And then Athanasius response.

Athanasius we could say in

it by the grace of God he

endured he.

His views were creedally and they

became orthodoxy.

9th

century.

Ran

underground

under house

arrest

estimarians or double

predestination.

And then you

have August

on

particular

atonement.

Great listen

for the logic.

The Apostle Paul says Romans 830.

We did not

even spare.

If God gave his son

then he has given to them with him all good things.

Has not given he did not

give.

And five verses.

If we were yet sinners

more having now been justified.

If

Christ died even for the reprobate it

will not be saved

from a death.

I pray for them.

I pray not for the jacket.

What about the word.

Oh yeah.

I am utterly fascinated because I know

so very little about this.

Figure from history and you are truly enlightening me and I don't.

I am just spellbound and I'm baffled why he is not more widely known even amongst reformed.

Christians today that's a good question we should come back to that but why.

He's not better known.

But here God shall quotes Augusta.

Likewise speaking about the to the whole world

hits the church therefore the world hits the world

the hostile and damned world

the polluted world pointing out

that from the Bible the word world is used of two different groups of people depending on the context.

Likewise there is a world about West we be condemned

with or

he is not unaware of that for which it has been

predestinated.

My thinking on the

on your readers if

in the Christ

right is called gut shock

and a medieval predestination controversy.

The

introductory

pages

available where

the publisher the

publisher

2020 tan that I'm not

being sponsored Milwaukee Marquette

but if you don't want as heavy a book the

RFPA has a book on

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rfpa

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Rfpa .org that's the Reform Free Publishing Association's website but if.

You could also.

I'm sorry those are the two books I'd recommend especially.

Yeah.

If you could after the show email me the other the Marquette University

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Just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with about ten minutes to go is

Angus Stewart and we have been talking about Gottschalk of Orbe,

a medieval confessor of God's absolutely sovereign grace in Christ.

If you have a question send it in immediately at ChrisArnzen at gmail .com ChrisArnzen at gmail .com because we're gonna be

over before you know it.

And we have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County Pennsylvania who says if reformed theology

was truly the teachings of Jesus Christ and his disciples what did they

completely disappear from the scene after the apostolic era and only

rise incrementally throughout church history until they became more fully known all

the way into.

The 16th century.

In Matthew

11 then he prayed.

And then he

actually adds come

on to me all you that labor

and are heavy heavy laden over their sins and

believe in

him.

There's

always a

mixed bag.

These

things

aren't all

written

down.

Gottschalk isn't

true because the reformers apparently had never heard of him really

and this in large part.

Praise of God though.

We have

something in common here.

Everyone acknowledged him as a great teacher.

They made copies of his works and even works that they disagreed with could be found around the libraries.

And after 20 years

on their

house

array 31

again in

English translation of any of Gottschalk in

1978 when actually my former pastor.

Theological journals tonight in 1930

-1931 more of Gottschalk's works and

predestination works weren't

even known

in

2010.

So the

volume I spoke to

you

in controversy he wasn't better known as publication issues.

And then the second question why is he not so well.

That

seems odd

that

reformed people would find him too hot to handle if he's agreeing with him.

It's very hard to

hold.

After a while I heard

of the Senate of Dort.

Well you know I think that we

should start an

ad campaign.

I don't

know if

you

are.

Familiar with an American ad campaign over in Northern Ireland but there was a milk

commercial campaign that went by the phrase got milk question mark and you would see a person with a

white mustache not a real mustache but a white upper lip because they were drinking milk.

We should start the one on billboards and someone called Gottschalk and

try to revive interest in this great figure because you have brought to the surface today

things that I was very ignorant of.

Of course I'm ignorant of a lot of things but this in particular amazes me because I've been a reformed

Christian for decades and this is just all new to.

Me the vast majority

of it.

You know Chris proved that what he said was true and he said

number one the

script finding out

he said he was willing to go through the trial by

ordeal.

God would deliver but then he would get out of that

barrel of boiling water and go into a

bar.

Maybe that's what we should do Chris.

Maybe we should ask you and go through the

trial by ordeal.

I'll pass on that.

Or we could just fall back on scripture and the test of Augustine and the reformed

creeds.

It's up to you Chris.

I think the latter is one I prefer.

Well I mean by saying that Gottschalk was a.

Man of his time in the Middle Ages people thought that God would vindicate a person or their views by this.

By the way Chris it might be worth mentioning that I have I gave a video

speech someone types in

sovereignty of God or confessor.

They would be able to get that on YouTube if they're interested.

Oh yeah definitely.

Presentations with some pictures including one of our.

Wow well.

You know I am going to give a nudge and I think that you should too to Reform Free Publishing

Association to get a book into print by you.

That would be a more exhaustive treatment outside of the children's book that they publish on this issue

and I would love to hear updates on that.

For just to remind our our listeners RFPA .org.

RFPA .org.

Reform Free Publishing Association's website is RFPA .org and also the website of the church

pastored by our guest today Covenant Protestant Reform Church in Bellarmine in Northern Ireland.

That website is CPRF .co .uk.

CPRF which stands for Covenant Protestant Reform Fellowship .co .uk.

I want to thank you so much Pastor Angus for being on our show today.

I look forward to many return visits from you.

I want to thank everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives

Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.