WEF’s Utopia, Live Not By Lies, the Slick v. Shamoun Debate

Well greetings welcome to the dividing line. It is a the first cool day of the fall in phoenix arizona. Well no yesterday was but the first cool day with a dividing line. So yes i'm excited to be here.

And i'm excited when the highs do not reach 70 degrees in phoenix after in the first 290 days of 2020 the high temperature is 100 degrees or above for 145 of those days half of them since new year's day.

Yes so yeah it's gonna warm back up a little bit but it's not gonna make it back to 90 and so hey it's dry as a bone and you know 85 and dry is is gorgeous. And so we're we're happy. Hey just a not a programming note but just i only found i i didn't see this mentioned anywhere.

If i hadn't been looking at another debate we were talking about in a moment i wouldn't have known about this but coming up in two hours from now on the gospel truth youtube page uh doug wilson is going to be debating dr kurt jaros does god decree all evil.

And so i brought my uh i brought my earphones uh we're not gonna go two hours but uh i'm gonna get fired up on the phone and listen to it while driving home and um well then take that long at home uh but uh it should be very very very interesting.

I'm looking forward to hearing that because that is a key issue the issue of the sovereignty of god uh who determines the shape of time that really when you think about that really ends up determining what you believe about everything else.

If you believe that um that god does not have a decree uh then you're the best you can have is a vague general outline of history that's gonna go a lot of different ways depending upon human autonomy and things like that all the way into process theology open theism all those other messes that are out there and uh but that is the tendency of man that i would say to you the default view of the world that's going to come from man is going to be a man-centered world where a man determines these things human autonomy it is a act of grace that causes a man to recognize that he is neither autonomous he did not he is not autonomous he did not bring his himself into existence and that there is something far greater than simply the bumbling result of the human species that is being accomplished in this world.

And that really is the issue. And obviously i think the biblical answer that is very very plain but the prejudice and the bias of the human experience often results in people um refusing to accept that biblical reality despite very clear statements of scripture um on the subject you know the one who works all things have to counsel as well sort of sort of straightforward um but there is always a way folks there is always a way around anything.

If your heart is not truly dedicated to being subjected uh fully to the truth of god there's always a way around anything you want to defend anything you can you can find a way to do it. And uh so uh all right so on the program today a lot of things um i guess i'll go ahead and do this i wasn't gonna do this but someone posted a again it's one of those tweets before the program things they weren't aiming at me so it that's the issue.

But um it just hit uh because i guess this wasn't all that uh long ago uh but uh someone known to a number of people in the um um internets by the name of kyle james howard has uh has tweeted yet once again and i just want to look at this as a overarching can anything not be blamed on this example.

Um he says when we think about sexual abuse and racial trauma we never think about all the black boys who had older uncles or cousins perpetuate and ready for this. Now if you're if you're a if you're a black boy um what then are your older uncles and cousins are what.

Okay. Because he used the term black boys. So what. What is a black boy's older uncles or cousins. They are black. Right. Okay. So um when we think about sexual abuse race trauma we never think about all the black boys who had older uncles or cousins perpetuate white supremacy's young buck dynamic by pressuring them to have sex usually with older women as soon as they hit puberty.

So evidently there is a young buck dynamic in the black community. And i don't think i did i play it. I don't know if i played it but i i made reference to a program about what five four or five months ago where a black woman was interviewing had in the audience these all these young black men less than 30 years of age one of which had what was it 26 children by 18 different women i think something like that all of them had multiple multiple multiple children by multiple multiple multiple women and they were talking about this as being a part of black culture.

But who knew it was actually due to white supremacy. Because that's what it says they they're perpetuating white supremacy's young buck dynamic what can't be blamed on white supremacy now what isn't blamed on whites.

Everything i've seen climate change blamed on white supremacy every economic issue climate change war and even the young buck dynamic in the black community it's all white supremacy. So can we just stop using the phrase white supremacy and just call it the devil.

How about that. Because the word doesn't the phrase doesn't mean anything anymore. You're just talking about evil. Which is why it makes you wonder. There are these groups a lot of black hebrew israelites and of course farrakhan and his entire group.

What has their thing been all along. Whites are demons. Whites are demons. So it's coming full circle. The woke people are just getting to the same place. They just went you know through a different way to get there and you do realize that what kyle james howard says there means that that black people the way he's praying black people have absolutely no will or capacity for self-governance at all at all.

They're just victims. They're just victims. They're the oppressed and so they're just victims. It's all there is to it. No responsibility. It's done. It's astonishing to me that people can so dive head first in this kind of thing that they don't realize what they're actually end up saying when they get done.

It's it's amazing. But there's good old kyle james howard at it. Uh again a video is making the rounds that i first saw uh yesterday and um um that's not the one i wanted i wanted that one right there.

And it is astonishing now this is from the world economic forum. You need to understand the world economic forum has been around for quite some time. The world economic forum has been primarily ignored by most people as pinheaded uh leftist um scholars and theorists.

And you know they get together at davos and do their thing. And yeah really. Well actually they are the biggest they are the largest enemies you've ever had. They they are behind. What is happening to you now if you have lost your job if you've lost your business if you've lost your freedom.

The world economic forum wanted all of that to happen was waiting for a trigger waiting for something to use to bring all that about. Because they want you dependent upon the government. They want you living in a one-room apartment without the ability to travel eating vegan um with basically no future and no purpose in your life and not getting married and not having children.

So the overall population can be drastically reduced over time. Uh that's what the world economic forum is about. That's that's who they are. And people didn't take them overly seriously until now when they are actually starting to accomplish their goals.

They put out a video with you know nice little music in the background and making everybody look happy and smiley. But i want you to think about what they're saying. These are eight predictions for the world in 2030.

But this isn't just simply a matter of predictions. This is where we see trends going. This is what they want. This is what they're working toward. This is this is what the great reset is all about. And they're they're they're throwing that out there.

I've i've i've mentioned a friend of mine michael fallon was telling me about the great reset years ago and it sounded crazy. Uh because there were so many things that had to happen so much had so much had to happen to to make any of this make any sense.

Why would anyone voluntarily give up their national sovereignty. I mean you you and your ancestors your families have worked to build this nation. And even people in small really poor struggling nations still have a tremendous amount of pride in their nation.

I mean that's what isn't the olympics are all about. I mean you're you're cheering for. Oh we canceled them. Didn't we we did we did didn't have to. But we did we canceled them. Because no because these people do not want you looking up the number of gold medals that your country has won because they don't want.

I remember it was only what two years ago when i started hearing nationalist being used as a negative pejorative term. I i remember i remember when bruce jenner was bruce jenner. And we were so proud of the decathlon wins and um mark spitz oh wow.

You know uh and and the miracle uh the the u .s hockey team back when we were still putting amateurs up against all the professionals from the eastern bloc countries. Our amateurs won the gold in hockey.

Remember uh miracle on ice yeah and so that kind of thing. You know the dream team you know when we finally started using our professionals and wiped everybody else off the planet. Um you know but you see that that fosters nationalism and borders.

And these people don't want that they want a global socialist technocracy where a small number of global elites live in the level of luxury you would not even be able to remember what was the um what was that movie uh with the uh where all the elites lived up on a space station.

Um and then all the other bad people all the bad people lived on earth and just died horrible deaths and and stuff like that. Um what was the name of that one anyway. Saw it again recently. That's sort of where these people are.

Um in what they're in what they're going to be doing as with all socialism. What you what you do is is you spread poverty equally. That's what that socialism does. Is you spread the poverty out equally.

But when you get people to vote into it of course you advertise it differently. And i uh i did a really long ride yesterday because it finally cooled off and i've been waiting to do this ride for about 102 mile ride out to bartlett lakenbeck.

I've been waiting to do it literally for months and finally got a chance to do it. And so one of the things i listened to uh was rod dreyer's book live not by lies. Live not by lies which is a quote from alexander solzhenitsyn right before he was kicked out of russia.

Uh this was a part of his final message to the russian people live not by lies which was a a reference to the fact that under communism you had to learn to live by lying. Everybody knew that pravda which means the truth pravda the the news agency.

Everything it said was a lie. Everybody knew it. You you could basically read it in pravda and go oh the opposite of that is true. Everybody knew it. That's where we are now. That's what cnn is that's msnbc is.

And that's what this when when when they started to promote this stuff amongst these nations. The promise of all the young intellectuals was equality and workers of the world unite and everyone's going to have all their needs met.

And the result was everyone shared the same level of poverty. It's not a joke that you could. Everybody under the soviet union had plenty of money. There's just nothing to buy. And so if you want a car you ordered a car and you'd get the car about two and a half years later and it was a hunk of junk.

But but you didn't have to worry about paying for it because there's plenty of money. This wasn't anything to buy. Because socialism doesn't work as they say you you vote your way in on the basis of lies and then you shoot your way out on the basis of the truth.

That's how it's been. And for quite some time i've been noticing a lot of folks who lived under the communist scheme they have to be older folks now. Well not super older but older. They're in the older generation have been saying uh what we're seeing in the united states.

We've seen before people losing their jobs totalitarian thought being punished for your how you think about things how you speak about things. If you actually want to say what you really need to say you sort of have to lower your voice.

We all know right now we could have the plug pulled on us at any point in time by all the big tech corporations. It's just it's just a matter of time before when it's going to happen. And they've been saying we saw this before.

This is how it happened last time and we had i had someone on on twitter just a few weeks ago saying hey i watched this happen in south america. It's happening here. No one listens to them. Because the media is fully complicit with all of it.

Live not by lies. Live not by lies. Well here's the lies from the world economic forum. Uh these are not just predictions. These are these are what they want you to desire and look very carefully at them.

Because then then you go how are they ever going to get people to do this stuff. And then you see what's happened with covid. Then you see what's happened with a virus that has a 99 .95 survival rate in anybody under 70.

And how it's been used how it's been politicized how it's been turned into the great panic of 2020 because once you panic people you can control people and you can talk them into doing anything to keep their safety once they're panicked and no longer are interested in the truth.

So here is it's only a minute and a half long eight predictions.

The world in 2030 from the world economic forum. Okay so there you go. I mean uh in 90 seconds there.

You have global socialism from the world economic forum you you won't own anything anything you need you'll rent from somebody else. Um so all the all the rosy stuff about you know you might be getting ready to go to mars or something like that.

Um so this is this is obviously single-payer health care uh all done by the government which we all know means in the real world today many people die because they can't get life saving surgeries because there's too much of a delay and issues like that.

Um so so there you go you'll you'll be a vegan. Um no personal autonomy no personal liberty no personal freedoms. Uh everyone has to think the same way act the same way um and you'll just all be serves to the government.

And that's the world economic forum and that's what all the rich elites want for you. It's called the great reset folks the great reset and uh they they literally are that close to accomplishing it because uh already 50 million people have voted in the united states and so all the stuff that's come out about hunter biden and chinese money and all the rest of that stuff.

Those 50 million people have already voted uh and and how many of them and you know probably close to 25 million of those have voted for a man who is non-compos mentis who who literally doesn't know what day it is doesn't know where he is doesn't know where he's going uh he doesn't know what office he's running for he doesn't know who he's running against.

Hey george yeah it's astonishing. These are all facts this is reality. And then and i saw uh just uh today uh one of the people that i follow um on uh on twitter put together a whole list of people who in response to the um establishment of justice barrett on the supreme court we're talking about burning the constitution packing the court destroying the nation.

You know if those people are american citizens that used to be called being a traitor that was called treason and uh was extremely dangerous and could like get you executed but now it's standard fair on twitter that's that's the situation we're facing.

So so there's the um there's wef world economic forum. Now i mentioned that i uh went on a long ride yesterday i did two things on that ride. I listened to a debate that we're going to talk about at the end of the program well halfway through the program or pretty soon or whatever.

Um and then i also began listening to rod dreyer's book i don't know three three quarters eighty percent of the way through it something along those lines and uh so uh it like i said it's from a solzhenitsyn quote live not by lies.

I i would highly recommend it to you uh rod dreyer's theology is eastern orthodox and so there are i think some gaping holes especially when it comes to anthropology um and to a rather broad ecumenism that again is one of the issues that i've been i've seen this coming for a long time as far as as we are being pushed into a smaller and smaller social space um the fact that the vast majority of people don't know why they're not another perspective is going to be problematic going to be very very problematic the the specifics of what we believe and why we believe it will be um swept under the rug by and large.

And the problem is that leads to fundamentally different answers to the big questions the big worldview questions if you believe that man is creating the image of god and that man is suppressing the knowledge of god and that man's heart is a factory of idols that's going to change everything if you if you believe that man if you if you're like a provisionist and believe that man has the capacity in and of himself without the intervention of divine grace uh to do what is good and right in god's sight to have faith and repent and all of these things um that's going to give you a completely different outcome when it comes to looking at issues such as government law these are fundamental issues and as i was saying earlier it's very obvious to me that whether you have a god-centered theology or a man-centered theology and that people ask too simplistic no there is a way of identifying that if you believe that god is accomplishing his will in this world that he has formed the fabric of time then to be consistent you have to have a god-centered theology.

Um if you do not believe that you can only have a man-centered theology you you can't have a god-centered theology because god's waiting on mankind to see what mankind's going to do anyways. So or he gave over the final result to mankind however you work it there there is a way to determine those two things and i submit to you that it is the it is it is the tendency of humankind to exalt humankind's capacity to give to ourselves freedom and capacity and ability.

We'll get a little more of that and it's important to the debate that i listened to in in a moment but so so why would i suggest a book by a because i i criticized rod dreyer's benedict option which came out a couple years ago which obviously is related uh but obviously he's a very good thinker.

And i remember before i did the debate with um john dominic crossan before the cruise many years ago we did a class and during the debate shabir mentioned some of the books that i mentioned that i had recommended the class as if by recommending the book that meant i believed everything that was in the book.

And i'm like no this is a class you put on a graduate level class or really it should be almost a level class. You're put things in your bibliography or you expose students to things that are not necessarily representative of where you're coming from just simply that's what the educational process is about unless you're a fundamentalist and then you only have them read fundamentalist books.

And so this would be a situation where i'm going. Look you're going to be challenged by some of the things he says. Sometimes you're tracking along going yeah yeah oh boy hadn't thought about that and all of a sudden there'll be this and sort of skips sort of like on an old record you know.

And you're like why did that happen. And if you think about oh because he's not an evangelical and he doesn't have the same you know foundations and certain things as as so we've been going along pretty well and then or sometimes like off to the side or something like that.

That's the experience you'll have in in reading roman catholics and eastern orthodox and and all sorts of things like that. But there's still he still put a lot of work into it and it was basically one.

What he's saying is what we're seeing coming is a soft totalitarianism a totalitarianism not so much enforced by government decree as by the society itself as seen in the large tech companies and corporations in the book he mentioned that many of those larger corporations like apple uh and google and facebook have more money on hand than many of the nations in the world.

Well actually most nations the world have no money at all when you think about it but their their their economic capacity and power is greater than entire countries or entire groups of countries. And they are the mechanism that is being used to enforce a societal totalitarianism.

It's a soft totalitarianism. It's not the russians rolling into town with tanks and establishing a puppet government which is what happened in eastern europe after world war ii. Uh instead it it actually flows from the consent of the no longer governed but ruled again you vote your way in and it is a bowing to new societal goods that that then demand that they and they alone be seen as good so that any other perspective is now considered to be evil and is not to be spoken of and shall not appear on social platforms and cannot have access to the internet.

And if your organization believes those things and that's called hate mongering and and if you associate with people like that you can lose your job and and all of that type of totalitarianism was present under soviet style uh totalitarianism and is present today in china.

But it is interesting to compare and contrast the chinese model today with what took place before. Because this is this is for me the key uh at least key to how i've been thinking about it and that is dreyer spends a lot of time talking about soviet dissidents and and people in czechoslovakia and places like that that resisted the communist regime and how they resisted because part of the book is about well how will we resist when this happens.

But the problem is looking back. Yes i think it's good to look back. It's good to know what they went through. It's good to know how they resisted. But the one thing they weren't facing was technology and the massive government control of every aspect of the life of every citizen of china is what we are looking at.

Coming in the united states the the the infrastructure is already in place the ability to have the cameras the tracking devices the listening devices in your homes which many people have voluntarily placed in their homes.

Um and you know all all for making our life easier. Of course um but all that kind of stuff that is the part of the soft totalitarianism that ends up becoming hard totalitarianism. I i don't see personally how soft totalitarianism can avoid becoming the hard totalitarianism of the chinese communist party.

But what has changed and to me is this. This was a an important insight. Not so much that he stayed but in listening to him speaking um made me think about this. What the what the chinese have done that is even more insidious is they learned from the mistakes of the soviets and they came to understand that an unhappy unfed unsatisfied populace is eventually going to throw you out.

You're eventually going to run out of people to run the machinery and they'll they'll eventually throw you out. So what you need to do is need to have enough economic power going on to allow the people to fulfill their fleshly desires for food luxuries video games sex.

Um keep people satiated physically satiated. Keep them busy. Uh if they're starving that makes for martyrs. You don't want martyrs. You don't want that guy standing in front of the tank and in tiananmen square which has already been wiped out of the memory of the chinese people.

Almost no young chinese person has any knowledge whatsoever of tiananmen don't even know what happened that's only whispered about by very small number of people. Um so what's interesting is western decades.

This is how this is how you can abuse capitalism and then use communism marxism and in both satisfy the sinful desires of man in you can abuse capitalism by through greed and the promotion of immorality the destruction of the family etc etc undercut the society.

Or under chinese style communism. You satiate these desires. Uh you provide the food you provide the the games. And that keeps people docile so that they do not rebel against the fact that they have no freedom and they have no future and they have no transcendent value at all.

Life is just living. It's just it's just rinse and repeat until you die. And then you're gone because that's all they have to offer. That's all they have to offer. And so you just have to satiate people for as long as possible.

Um and it is that chinese style of communism of totalitarianism uh that is coming and coming quickly. And we have seen over the past um what. Um seven eight months how easily it can happen. How easily it can happen.

We we just in years past i just could not see what would cause the american people to voluntarily become wards of the state to voluntarily become snitches on their neighbors. And yet now we know what it is terrify them make them afraid risk.

Tell them that their lives are at risk even when all the numbers say their lives are not at risk. Um and people will give up. They have no idea what patrick henry was talking about. And if you're really honest they would say patrick henry was a nut give me liberty give me death.

No right now the american side is saying give me safe imprisonment rather than death. That's what. That's what america is saying. Every one of you driving down the car alone driving down the road alone your car with a mask on is saying give me imprisonment rather than death.

I am afraid i am scared. And if the people that now live in this country had lived in this country in the early 1770s there would be no country because there would have been no revolutionary war there would have been no constitution.

That's just the way it is. I sad it's sad but it's true. So that kind of chinese totalitarianism is depending on what happens next week and in the days afterwards as um people are you know because pennsylvania has i think four days to keep producing ballots keep sending them in until you get what you need.

And everybody says that's the one state right now that's that's the balance state. And so they uh they were given the ability to they'll know exactly how many votes they need. And i i have this much confidence i'll be honest with you i mean i've never seen what we saw here saturday in phoenix never seen it.

How long was that line. I i've heard i heard even longer. But um we had a a parade of vehicles flying trump flags that literally circled our valley. And for some of you who don't realize um our valley is huge.

This we're talking 50 60 miles. I i heard 100 miles. So i had heard 40 miles the week before. Oh yeah it's like 45 miles before. It's over 100 miles this week of vehicles flying trump flags driving the freeways because you can you can start in the northwest valley in phoenix at 65 miles per hour an hour and a half later you're still in the valley in the south east corner of phoenix 65 miles an hour.

It's just that huge. It's just that big. Um i've never seen it anyways but i still have very low confidence in the accuracy of the vote count. I'll just be honest with you i'm just just telling you straight uh mail-in stuff i it was back in march i was saying oh gracious they're gonna try to make this a mail-in election and they succeeded and the supreme court helped them to do it as did justice roberts.

By the way i do not believe there's a 6 -3 conservative uh court at all now there's a 5 -4 mainly conservative court. Um roberts is no is no conservative. He never was never will be. And seemingly the longer those people are on the court the more they swing left.

So there you go. Um so anyhow uh back to a point many many points ago a lot of people who lived under this stuff have seen this before. They see the lies. They've tried to warn us. We're not listening um and so i still think that this would be a book that's well worth your reading.

A lot of the quotations were really good. It certainly provides you with some history that a lot of people do not know at all today they have no idea the cost and the suffering of people under marxism.

If people knew um simple common sense would keep them from doing the things they're doing but they don't know. And so there is no common sense and so this is what we are are facing uh in in our society today.

And so it was um historic last night it um you saw some political theater last night because because um acb and there are people saying you're not supposed to call her acb because that's stealing from judge ginsburg's legacy you know because she was you know they used her initials too and i just and i someone on some famous person on twitter was saying that and i just responded no no not make me um but you saw some political theater last night because um she was not sworn in last night.

That was today. And that was from with justice roberts um that was faux. But there was a reason for it. There was a big reason for it and that was clarence thomas. And who tried to ravage clarence thomas in his um in in his senate confirmation hearings joe biden who was also the person who went after and destroyed robert bork.

Um well kenny and biden did both but they were both involved with it. And so that was pure political theater pure political theater uh to to do that. But it was certainly historic and memorable. Um and we will see what literally the next 90 days uh is going to mean as to whether there will still be what is left of a constitutional republic in the united states or whether the last major because i'll be honest with you if kamala harris because joe biden's not even there if kamala harris is president united states in january of 2021 the last barrier to the great reset falls.

Yeah. And so it starts. And so just get used to socialism uh being a war of the state um limited dietary choices constant masking anywhere and limited religious choices. You you walk outside the door of your home and maybe even inside your home you'll have to have a mask on.

Doesn't matter what you do where you go. Um that's we. But and and when it happens and a bunch of you are going this is terrible. The rest of us are going. We tried to tell you we tried to tell you but you weren't listening.

Well we thought you were scaremongering us. No we were just trying to tell you the truth. That's just all there is to it. So there you go. Um wow so da da da da da da. Okay. Uh i'm distracted by the stuff there.

I'm not gonna be looking that direction. Okay. So the other thing that i listened to uh was again especially over the past year and it started sort of a little before that but has been given great impetus now especially over the past year there has been this explosion as explosion in debating.

Um these are rarely debates that have been prepared for for lengthy periods of time very often they do not involve people who are actually experts in the field at all. Um they just generally are timed opening closing statements and then a free-for-all in between is is what i'm seeing in in most situations.

And so you get two people and they go online for a few hours and they do a thing and and so now this is just happening like every single day. And like i said that's the jaros wilson thing coming up in in less than an hour and a half um online virtual uh we just moved a bunch of equipment into the new studio uh be working on stuff i think you said tomorrow uh so who knows when that's going to happen though.

Obviously my desire is not to have that thing being used every night but when it is used for it to be high quality stuff that will be worthwhile. 10 years down the road uh i think that's really the the goal in in that type of situation.

But anyway so i listened to a debate i had not heard of um i think as i was going to bed was it friday night something like that uh someone texted me link to it. I thought it was a link to a thing. I clicked on it and then i saw it was still ongoing uh between uh matt slick of karm karm .org and sam shamoon and it was on the subject it was supposed to be supposed to be is limited atonement biblical um that got touched upon a little bit but not much now.

I appreciated it. Both sides tried to start off in a uh ironic manner uh matt slick's always very ironic in that way um it didn't stay that way let's put it that way i think i got through an hour and 45 minutes before the constant talking over and going over the same question for the 20th time just i okay that's enough i i stopped the bike and and switched.

That's when i switched to dreyer's uh work actually but i listened to certainly enough of it to know what was what was going on with it. And so i appreciated matt's presentation. I appreciated that i guess before the debate started sam actually posted his notes but i i think that a mistake that matt made was that he then primarily his opening statement was primarily focused upon answering sam's notes.

Well that that ended up really limiting the conversation um and to just a to basically colossians one colossians two and and just a few other texts sort of thrown in in passing but over and over and over again the same text came up and so there was no overarching presentation whatsoever or even almost reference to the place that particular redemption plays in the whole action of father son holy spirit and redeeming a particular people unto himself.

Some of you may recall. Well well a lot of people a lot of you are new listeners. Man is getting dry. Oh man it is dried out. My lips are chapping terrible. I wonder if post-tenebrous lux bible butter uh would work on lips about to find out.

Uh anyway um i've told the story before uh 20 years ago maybe 21 years ago now um i first went to saint charles. I'm going to saint charles again. By the way it will be there. I may be driving i may drive this time.

It's a two-day trip. But i may drive this time. Um because then i'm driving from there back down to prior afterwards. So i'm gonna have to rent a vehicle anyways. Sort of seems like you know get a lot of reading done that way.

Uh but uh listening obviously. Um but the first time i went to prior to saint charles um or was the second time. Yeah i think it was the second time because the first time i was on a local radio station.

And then i think think the second time there was this anti-calvinist guy and his name is has escaped me. Uh i could probably bring it bring it to mind if i thought about for a few few moments i wasn't trying to talk at the same time.

Um but there was this guy who was fairly well known for teaching against every aspect of the five points of calvinism. I think he was local and he put forward a challenge for me to debate him on this radio station that i had been on when i was there for the first time to speak.

I think the first time i went there was in june and then ever. Since then it's been the first weekend in december. This will be the 20th year um that i've been there 20 years. We've done this now. Very patient people here that are desperate people.