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Well greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. My name is James White and we're just flying by the seat of our pants this evening

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Actually, I'm wearing shorts Okay, I Am someplace in Texas.

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I've never been before I've never been it's a really little KOA But they've got pretty good internet and not the

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Internet Yeah way internet I never even bother with that but we've got good connection no cash

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Developing yet, which means we might be able to get through a program. I am That I'm really surprised

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I'm doing the program right now Let me tell you what happened. I wanted to do a program tonight but Today this was the longest leg of this trip and you know,

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I designed the trips. So You know, that's my fault that this was a really long day in the saddle

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But I need to get up to prior tomorrow so that we can do the conference

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With Derek Mountain and the folks there on Wednesday and Thursday night so I left

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I got this morning and I was out. I was in Livingston.

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So that's east of Baton Rouge and I Have been told there's no reason to leave before 8 because there's one bridge over the

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Mississippi and it's always a mess so Don't bother leaving before 8 8 30 and I'm putting everything away, you know getting everything ready to go and I look over and I see black black clouds.

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In fact, I'll be honest with they look like they're rotating Yeah, they look like they're rotating I'm like Okay What are we gonna do so I got out of there it literally started drizzling as I pulled out of the

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RV park and by the time I turned on the freeway it was just coming down everybody's slowing down about 45 miles per hour on the freeway and it was it was really really really bad weather for First few hours and it wasn't just bad weather.

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It was Louisiana roads and I'm gonna tell you once you get up towards Shreveport It's like there is no

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Louisiana Highway Department. It's like they don't even want to get close to Shreveport it Wow, I I really feel sorry for My beautiful fifth wheel which is still getting broken in it got broken in today

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Let me tell you it got broken in today because that was some of those roads were just I I'm driving along yelling.

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Why do you call this a road? I don't get it There's anything near Shreveport There's a stretch of Missouri on the 20.

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I think or it might be the 40. That's 40 And then of course the 40 in New Mexico They're all it's all the same it's just hey look it's a

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Grand Canyon, it's it's wonderful anyway, so Long day weather rough roads

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Could have been excused not to do a dividing line. I Pull in here. I set up Put the slides out walk in, you know,

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I'm sort of looking around going, you know, are my pictures still on the walls? You know and The first thing

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I see I'm looking right where it was is a river of Chocolate milk on the floor and I opened the fridge now

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I strapped the fridge closed because in this unit the refrigerator isn't your standard in the first two units we had the refrigerator was an

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RV refrigerator and this one Does it can run on propane and does run on propane if if it needs to but it is a

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Residential refrigerator, it's pretty certain. It's bigger than the one I have at home. It's about 22 cubic feet which for a

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RV is huge and I opened the door and the eggs fly out at me.

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They literally So There's broken eggs on the floor and the inside is

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Covered now the weird thing is the carton of chocolate almond milk that Got thrown around by the

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Louisiana Roads. I mean, what would your refrigerator look like? if it went through I mean like 50 earthquakes because that's that's what

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Louisiana roads are like, Texas roads are like 10 earthquakes, Louisiana roads are 50 earthquake What would your?

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Refrigerator look like well The carton still had

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At least I'd say Two thirds maybe three quarters of the contents in it.

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It's amazing what a small amount all Over the place

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I have learned everything I need to know about my refrigerator now I know how to take all of the drawers and and the trays out and and how to put them back in and I've learned that almond milk

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Dissolves when you hit it with water because I had them all out next to the RV here and spraying them with the hose and Yeah That was fun and then of course

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Mopping the floors and all that fun stuff. It was it was exciting.

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Why am I doing a dividing line then? I mean, I have every reason in the world

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To just go. Yeah, forget that long day weather rough roads and you walk in To a absolute mess like that.

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I did take pictures anyways, but I'm not gonna show you Well, I'll tell you

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I Want to and I did not get a chance to queue this up so I'm gonna do my best to sort of take a shot at it and find it a section to listen to from a

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Response by Jason Bretta in fact, I need to find that specific video so that I can give you the reference to it and stuff later on but I do want to Respond to some of that.

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I listened to it on the drive today So it's fresh in the mind and and it's like yeah, that would be a good time to do that You know along those lines

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Of course probably not best for me to be looking at YouTube while we're live streaming but the live stream seems to be doing okay and Well, we'll see but Really The the honest reason that I'm pushing this the way that I'm doing it is

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There's a lot of folks who would not do what I'm doing in this

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RV Would not be going through the hassle and You know getting down on the ground and and doing some of the stuff that I have to do to Maintain things and stuff like that There's there's a lot of people who wouldn't do it.

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There's a lot of people go. Why you know, why are you bothering after the debates?

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in Livingston and so we did the debates on Wednesday and Thursday night and Then on Friday and Saturday nights.

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I spoke at the church on reaching out in love to your Roman Catholic friends and neighbors and Then I preached yesterday morning there at the church and afterwards

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You know at the debates I got to talk to a few Roman Catholic people that came and and things like that but Just as at places like g3

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Pretty much every chance I get to go out into churches I had the opportunity of talking to people and When I'm Traveling like this.

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I get to go into areas and meet people that don't get to go to g3 they don't get to go to the big conferences and It's hard for me to describe just how

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Encouraging that is Because I know That for each person that I'm meeting

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You know in a smaller church in a rural area That's not near a major city

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There are dozens and probably hundreds if not thousands of others

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That I won't get to meet Who have the same?

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Testimony and the same story to tell and So what happens is someone will come up to you this happened a number of times this weekend this past week and They'll say

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I know you've heard this a thousand times Well, let me tell you I'll keep listening for many thousands of times more

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Very often there are There's a crack in the voice There's watery eyes and There will be things like You it was it was your ministry that helped get me out of Name the group, you know in the southern,

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Louisiana Roman Catholicism Either helped me to leave talk to a number of people like that, by the way at the church we had a number of people who

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Were brought by members of the church Who said after the debates? Yeah your side one and I'm not really sure what that means for what

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I'm I what I believe and So obviously I'm not sure what that means There's follow -up going on there

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But other people said, you know, I I was really being pressured to join such and such a group and It wasn't until I found you guys

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Found out we make ministries very often There's a piggybacking with all the

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GIA Jeff They saw Jeff first and it found me. It's found me found Jeff. It happens very very often and I've told you stories about going up to Cedar City, Utah and talking to Entire families up there that have come to faith in Christ out of Mormonism And then you have husbands who've gotten wives at my

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Various of my seminars I could think of a number of those and Then you have young men who are

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Now in ministry who Will tell me

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It you the Lord used your love of scripture your love of consistently handling scripture your love of Greek and Hebrew And textual criticism and all that kind of fun stuff

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To ignite a fire in my heart and now I'm in seminary now,

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I'm in Bible College now I'm in ministry Brian Gunter the pastor there at First Baptist Church in Livingston twice over the course of week told the audience

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He's had many great teachers he said but the single person that he has learned the most from was me he had read scripture alone in 2004 and Then he read the

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God who justifies and that started that process and then in 2008 he started listening to the dividing line and hasn't missed almost anything since then and He said it's it's like getting it's like continuing my seminary education and that's what we want the dividing line to do we've always resisted the temptation to do the

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Super entertainment thing. It's not that we don't have fun once in a while we do It's fair fairly rare that we do something really completely strange like the time

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I wore that pink shirt with the floral bow tie and And did the you know, we we want to be so loving type thing

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You know what it still freaks me out to watch that one, too Don't feel badly if you've only seen it once or only listen to the first five minutes and then ran screaming from the room it

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It's okay But we don't do

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You know, we we're not trying to build an audience by Attracting people with We attract people by addressing the issues of the most important today and We'll talk about stuff that nobody else talked about.

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I You know, we've done we've done dividing lines where we've gone through every reference in the

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Quran that mentions Jesus That's a good way to scare most of your audience off We've done textual criticism and we've just done all sorts of stuff that that from a worldly perspective

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That's not how you you build an audience now Granted we were pioneers in Webcasting we had no idea like we've we've said many times.

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We just stumbled into it. I Don't remember who mentioned it or who came up with it first But You know, we're spending so much money on Radio time terrestrial radio and yet all of our phone calls would come from the

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Internet and This is back in the days of real audio and and I do remember rich going.

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I think we can do this I think he asked somebody I forget who it was you know, how do you get a real audio server and you know stuff like that and So we've been doing this for a long long time and some people like to say it's totally unfair

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Yes, you know when you've got decades you've you've built your audience and there's just There's a core of people out there who go

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I Know when I watch the dividing line I'm going to get challenged to deal with this issue or learn about that issue right now today you learned about You know

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One thing I'm gonna be doing I can see the refrigerator from here one thing I'm gonna be doing in the in the future and I already have is

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I've put the cartons of milk in a In one of the drawers that has that's solid.

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So so if it should fail the the drawer will

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Maintain the liquid all in one spot. Let's just put it that way But yeah

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I'm gonna be doing everything differently as far as that goes and now you all have learned that too so you can learn from my

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Errors, you can learn from you know all the time it took me to clean chocolate almond milk out of the refrigerator and off the floor and Clean up the eggs and mop the floor and all the rest that stuff but obviously we deal with all sorts of more important and relevant issues, hopefully and But It's just so going back to what

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I was saying it is just so Encouraging to see the next generations because I'm getting up there enough now that I can see the next generation right behind me and then the even younger generation behind that and Getting a chance to meet those people to hear their stories a

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Couple people gave me some really sweet cards I think after the debate and I took a picture of the cards and sent them to my family so they could read

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What was what was written in it? Yes. I do get to do that at g3

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That g3 is yet. They're the only people left Who aren't scared to death of me?

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and So I'll have me at a major conference You do get to do that in those contexts, but that's only with the people who get to travel to them there's so many people who don't have that opportunity and So to get to do that it's worth cleaning up the cleaning up the almond milk and Climbing underneath the unit to strap up the spare tire and Uh Hooking up the sewer hose and Everything else that I've gotten pretty good at now

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But yeah, there's there's a lot of folks who just know no would never do it never do it and I'm I'm enjoying it.

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I want to thank all of you for making it possible those of you who Support the ministry in general support the travel fund that's how all this works and When we get back

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Rich has plans within plans. I'm Assuming that right over there somehow somewhere someway there's gonna be some cables installed and hopefully that will increase our

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Internet reliability in various places. I mean, we're at a good spot right now. We've got a bunch of Even my phone has

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Four bars of 5g. So we're we've got we've obviously got a decent cell power nearby and So we're doing pretty good.

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But there are a lot of places you go. You don't have that. So we're gonna try to find other ways to Get around that so we can be more regular while on the road and So all that cost money, you know, there's a little repairs to be done here there and everywhere

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She's a new unit as far as traveling is concerned. I think I've already explained that and so there's things that Need to be worked on.

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I'm looking where that the camera I'm using right now is plugged in at an island in the middle of the kitchen and The paneling on that side that has the actual electrical plug

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It doesn't want to stay where it's supposed to stay so, you know that's probably a five -minute fix with the guy who's got the right tools, but I Had it where it was supposed to be for a while, but then we drove on Louisiana roads

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And nothing stays where it's supposed to be then Though I gotta admit I've put up a number of pictures and they're all still there

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They haven't gone haven't gone anywhere so if they survived, Louisiana roads, they're up they're up for the for the the long haul and We are as I mentioned last time working on debates for the rest of the year and we've

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I'm hoping For I'm hoping for four more this year

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Right now I'll be honest maybe two I have a really high

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Probability that those are gonna happen, but there's two others that are possible. So We'll see we'll see that would be great and And this unit would be the one obviously taking me there and So we need to keep her in good shape, okay, so with all of that said

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Couple things real quick. I Noticed that Jimmy Akin has now done four hours of Post debate review

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I Haven't had four then unless I unless I did it while driving which especially this morning would have been absolutely suicidal with the

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Torrential rain and Louisiana roads and stuff like that but yeah four hours and I have not listened to any of it and unless Algo listens to it and Tells me

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I should listen to it. Um, I probably won't to be honest with you

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I Don't know what really there is to say there was

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Now here's the here's the tricky part Here it is, yes

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There was one thing Now, let me see if I can figure this out

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Someone and someone offered to help me figure out how to do this, but I just Too many things to learn.

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Um someone posted a Clip from The second debate and And if I if I had

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Software that would allow me to put a video file into it and Identify beginning and end and boom.

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It's on Twitter. I Do that all the time But none of the software

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I have is really amenable to that so But somebody has it and They put up the section and he repeated himself twice on this

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Where Jimmy Akin literally argued against the idea

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That we have the righteousness of Christ imputed to us in the way that Protestants think because that would mean

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I Think the way he put it once was I'm too humble to say that to me

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Every knee is going to bow and every tongue is going to confess Because if I have the righteousness of Christ, then

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I have the name of Christ or something along these lines Let me see if I can

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If I can play this Why isn't that way

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Well, maybe it is Modesty prevents me from saying

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I think that Jimmy Akin Okay. Oh Hold on a second.

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Got to press all the right buttons. I've now got it full screen so All right.

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Let's try this So that the name of Jesus at the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is

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Lord Okay. Well, I mean I can't speak for James but Modesty prevents me from saying

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I think that Jimmy Akin is going to be the name above every name and people are going to be Bowing to me and confessing that I'm Lord, so I'm not going to be treated like Jesus My righteousness may come from Jesus, but it is not identical

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God doesn't look at my account in heaven and charge me with the infinite righteousness

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That Christ himself earned on the cross So my righteousness does come from Jesus, but it is not identical with the righteousness that Jesus has

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So that the name of Jesus at the name of Jesus, okay Rich tells that super low.

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I'm not minded about that. That's why it was recorded. Um, so there's There's this argumentation and I and I remember him looking over at me and I and I'm just my recollection

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Is that Jimmy Akin was a Presbyterian before he converted in fact? There's no way

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I could ever figure out one way or the other but I May have had some contact with him either immediately after his conversion or immediately before his conversion

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I'm That's a long time ago. So I'm I'm like, hmm. Not really sure

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But I'm very certain. He was a Presbyterian at one point and I and I'm just like Jimmy how how could you think that's a relevant?

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Argument. Are you literally saying that when we say that We have the right that when we quote from Paul and yes,

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I know what NT Wright says about this I argued against him in our debate on unbelievable on this text

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He made him who knew no sin To be sin on our behalf that we might become the race of God in him and you mentioned you mentioned that you you brought

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It up at some point in one of your pre -programmed Rebuttals that weren't actually rebuttals.

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It's a continuation of your stuff anyway, um You mentioned that and You you know that we're talking about imputation and So just as the father

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Treats the son as if he Did bear all that sin in and of himself

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So that his wrath is poured out upon him and in the same way then

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He treats us as If the son

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Having loved him perfectly kept the law perfectly that he did that in our place

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There's no transfer of deity I mean, that's why every knee is bowing every tongue is confessing is because of who

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Jesus is he's Yahweh imputing the righteousness of the incarnate one

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To us because that's that's the reason why he's the God man Right.

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He's he's the God man so that he can give his life as a ransom for his people otherwise, he could have just shown up in a fake body or just assumed a body for Three hours down the cross and then beam back to heaven or something like that.

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It didn't work that way He lives a perfect life so that the righteousness we receive is a perfect righteousness

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But it's not perfect deity There's nothing I did.

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I've just never even heard anyone make that kind of objection before It's very very strange.

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I don't understand it at all And I don't know where he thinks that's coming from Any of the rest of us either?

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So I I don't There's I'm sure there would be a lot if we wanted to do such things

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That you know, we could go into the debate the debates plural and Expand upon this point expand upon that point do hours and hours that kind of stuff

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I'd rather be preparing for the next debates coming up And keep pressing forward rather than because as I recall my recollection anyways is the first time

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I ever did a full debate review Was of my debate with Patrick Madrid and I did it like 10 years 12 years after Because he brought it up and he made comments and so it became worthwhile to respond to those things, but generally,

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I just I just want to allow the the debates to speak for the debates and and you know if if there are specific things if you know after the flowers debate, you know, you're you're

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You're getting scholars to argue this out of the other thing and they're not even even close to representing what actually happened or Stuff like that then

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Okay, that's that's different But generally I want to just sort of keep moving forward and One of the debates for example this fall will be on the mass as a perpetuatory sacrifice

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I'm looking forward to that. That'll be useful. I haven't done that subject in quite a while and And Unless I am mistaken.

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I've done it twice once with Mitch Pacwa and once with Roberts and Jennis. I don't

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Think I've done it with anyone else, but I could be wrong about that But I'm really looking forward to that that will be helpful

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I think and very useful to folks as well So anyway, all right, let's see if I can find

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This section here. So I have

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Fairly recently Is my recollection of running into dr.

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Al Garza and I've found stuff on Twitter basically where he will take shots and and I think he's posted some some videos on YouTube The way he described himself at the beginning of this he did a you remember in the

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Jason Breda debate I During the cross -examination went to Hebrews 7 24 25

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It was a part of my primary presentation It has always been a part of my primary presentation on the subject of the atonement so if you go back to You know the first books.

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I mean, I didn't go all the way back to God's Sovereign Grace, but Potter's Freedom Of course, there's a whole section of posted part of that.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it was in God's Sovereign Grace I just don't have a copy to even check it But I've done this for a long time.

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I hear I whenever I hear a meet me. Oh Wasn't that? Okay. I Thought maybe that was like algo

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Sending me a message. Yeah, it's in there, too Cuz he he would probably know one way or the other

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Oh, by the way You see my shirt Baptist. We never killed anyone, but everyone killed us.

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I I Didn't have this made The pastor's wife and kids there in Livingston One of the two nights

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When I was speaking on Roman Catholicism, I think it was the first night. I was talking about Sacralism I was talking about persecution.

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I was talking about and I ended up Mentioning I ended up playing that little portion

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That little video that we did at the Vartburg castle and In passing

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I I made the comment that Baptists were killed by both

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Catholics and by Protestants Lutherans especially reformed. That's talking about how we you know,

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I I can recognize that Calvin would have not have had fellowship with me and still learn a lot from John Calvin and And it may have been it may have come up because of Jimmy Akins anathema stuff

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Where he's literally trying to get the audience to clap with him that they're not anathema ties anymore.

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I Think me and everybody else is sitting around going Um Well, if you're not anathema ties anymore, then it probably didn't really mean much the first time around did it

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I mean, right, I mean Either you either it's worthwhile anathema tizing somebody

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Because what they're saying is that faults and dangerous or it's not but so anyway,

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I Had commented in the debate to Jimmy Akin I had said

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I'd like to join in on all the fun here. But the reality is that there was a steady stream of Missionaries who went from Calvin's Geneva straight to Italy and They all died

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They were all executed by the Roman Catholic Church Because what they were teaching was anathema

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And the church used this extremely surface level excuse Well, we didn't kill anybody

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We simply turned them over to the secular authorities Who then killed them?

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And The church knew they were going to be killed and in fact if the secular authorities hadn't done that then the secular authorities would have been in trouble, so It's it's painfully obvious What Rome did and that Rome did it?

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um Theologically for theological reasons and So I don't

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I take the anathema issue very seriously now his response was oh there are lots of Catholics that were

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Killed by Protestants it which completely misses the point That wasn't my point and I it's so hard for me to believe that Jimmy Akin doesn't know that my point was that anathema meant a whole lot more back then and If that was done by the power of the keys,

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I don't even know how you can pretend to talk about the Infallibility of the

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Pope and all the rest of stuff when you when you can hey, you're not all aren't anathematized anymore.

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Hey let's I Just found that very very strange.

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So anyway, um, that's what I was talking about. And that's that's where the shirt came from Had it made so that I would have a shirt that said

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Baptist we never killed anyone but everyone killed us I'm not sure.

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It's exactly how I said it, but they found that particularly Entertaining, okay now back to Jason Brett and Al Garza I started seeing some of these posts from this

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Al Garza fella and I've I'd never heard of him When he introduces himself in this hour and 48 minute long hour and 50 minute long

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Thing that he and Jason Breda did I don't know month and a half ago now, maybe because remember

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Jason had promised I Had challenged him get back to the story here. I challenged him in cross -examination

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I had brought up Hebrews 7 24 and 25 and I I had said

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Okay Jesus is able to save completely

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Because he ever lives to make intercession. So do you not see a connection?

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Between what Christ does in his sacrifice and What he does in his intercession

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I again anyone who's read my books they've read Owen whatever You know sacrifice intercession one office high priest

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It's it's all right there and his response during the debate was I don't see that and I'm like It's one it's one sentence the end of the sentence says since he ever lives to make intercession for them

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He's able to save Pontellas completely to the uttermost because he always lives to make intercession so How can you not see this?

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So I asked him and believe it or not they This dr.

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Al Garza fellow Joins with him to say. Oh, yeah, you're you're quite right because I said, okay, then what's your exegesis of the text?

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Well, I'm not gonna give you that because that that would take way too long. And obviously I had just said to him

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Here's the text. This is a central part of the debate It would be a central part of your preparation for the debate then tell me what it means

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Well exegesis is much more complicated that oh, come on, you know what I was asking.

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Everybody knew what I was asking and It's just astonishing to me that these guys are still going.

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Yeah If he had said well, what do you think the text means and that would have been okay

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But since he's asking for exegesis Okay, I mean pure gamesmanship

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There weren't more than five people in the audience and they're all provisionists who thought it was weird at all

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So yeah, never never mind with all that So they did that at the beginning and like I said this

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Al Garza guy Introduces himself and he's talking about how he's done all this apologetics with Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and I did have the opportunity of Looking up a few things

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The only debate that I found Was an online debate he did with some guy on Psalm 110 1

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And that's relevant. That's very important Very important, especially in dealing with Unitarians and he's a

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Trinitarian. So I'm pretty sure where he's going with that. And then I happen to see a video that he had done

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Where on Psalm 82 where he is disagreeing with Heizer's take just like me

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You can go back years and you'll find the long long long article I wrote Basically say taking the same position he did so it's not like we disagree on everything

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But he's strongly anti -reform this Al Garza guy is so he's very much against Calvinism in this thing he calls it cultic and and You know accuses me of doing backwards exegesis and all the rest of this kind of stuff the the nearly two hours

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Very disappointing wandered all over the place got into all sorts of other issues in Calvinism and and You know stuff that had nothing to do with the debate

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But this was supposed to be Where I got the

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Exegesis for Hebrews 7 24 25 and here's

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Jason and he's He's not exegeting it himself.

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He's got this other guy up and There it was interesting Garza at one point said when

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I reached out to you and then He Started talking about that weird

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Romans through Romans 8 is through all I think I think through Romans 11 is about Jewish Christians and Not anybody else

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Remember that from the debate? I mean nobody never heard of that one before And so I'm wondering if he if Jason didn't get that from Garza.

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I'm not sure Because he repeated it. He used it himself. And so it's like Is that where it came from?

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I cuz I was wondering where in the world it did come from. It's so far out there It's so off the beaten path and so obviously false

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That I just wondered where it where it came from. I mean, isn't it interesting? You've got all these

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Internet guys who all of a sudden are coming along and thinking they're finding new stuff that just happens

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To make all the standard passages that talk about God's sovereignty and salvation irrelevant to us today

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You know, you've got that one guy, you know, we talked about it once you know Ephesians 1 is only about the

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Apostles and John 6 was only about back then and it's not about now and Romans 8 is about Jewish Christians and it's it's

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It there's not much left of the New Testament. It's actually relevant to us. Yeah when you pile them all together

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It's like oh wow, there's nothing left to talk about us about anyway

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Here's the amazing thing I'm sitting here listening and listening and listening and they're going over here and they're going over there

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I stop and get gas and come back and I never got the exegesis

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Hebrews 7 25 they didn't do it. They didn't hear the question the question in the debate was

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What's the relationship Between Christ's sacrificial offering and his intercession and they didn't

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They didn't deal with it they did they did not give a positive exegesis an explanation of Hebrews 7 24 to 25 they jumped off to they

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What happened at one point was they Went to the potter's freedom and at one point in the potter's freedom

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I addressed either in a note or just in passing

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The phrase those who draw nigh unto God by him Because I had already encountered people who had

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Used That as a way of saying ah, but see here here. Here's here's where it really is.

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It's our drawing near to God That allows Jesus to do anything for us and stuff like that.

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And so I had addressed that and I had then when I Responded after the debate on the dividing line they played this section where I I went through the text and I specifically mentioned those who draw nigh unto

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God to him I said is a specific group and I was stunned that you know

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Here's this guy and he's saying he teaches Greek and Hebrew and he's got degrees from Hebrew University or something in Israel and and this kind of stuff and and You know, he's he's

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Knows how to do exegesis and all the rest of stuff. Okay, you know how to do exegesis. That's good He's going on and on and on about how

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Calvinists insert terms So again

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He was 724 but Jesus on the other hand because he continues forever holds his priesthood permanently

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Therefore he is able also to save completely forever those who draw near to God through him since he always lives to make intercession for them and so on the dividing line

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I pointed out something that is just It's just so obvious.

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It's not even arguable and That is there's a specific group

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It's a specific group To save forever those who draw near to God through him not

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Buddhists Not Muslims Not Hindus, but those who draw near to God through him a specific group just as the sacrifices in the

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Old Covenant were for a specific group when the high priest offered the

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Sacrifice on Yom Kippur it was not for the Egyptians and They mentioned that but say but but you could be a proselyte.

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That's not the point guys You're being purposefully obtuse

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When the sacrifice was offered it was for those who had drawn near to worship

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It's a specific people it's a specific group and So I had just mentioned right there

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He is able to save forever and then you have a specific

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Group that is mentioned Those who draw nigh unto God Through him.

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This is relevant People who are trying to promote inclusivism people who are promoting pluralism very very important text and then

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I said since he always lives to make intercession who pair out own for them and Their response was see he's importing categories that aren't in the text

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He's using that and the whole thing always was Calvinist redefined terms and it Da -da -da -da -da -da -da who pair out own is right there and neither of you even tried to touch it you went for nearly two hours and you left this text standing there without any meaningful

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Explanation you went everywhere else you went after you went after John six

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Because I mentioned in a footnote or in a passing reference to book not in the debate that the text specifically in John 6 says no one's able to come to me unless the

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Father sent me Joseph. So I was making an argument that the Bible specifically talks about man's inability outside of the

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Father's enablement to come to Christ. Fine. That wasn't in the debate. I did not say that that's in Hebrews 7 25.

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But I am saying that the background of Hebrews 7 is

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Leviticus 16. It is Leviticus broadly. The author plainly expects you to know those texts.

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I think I think Garza was a little confused. I think he thinks that I believe that Hebrews was written in Hebrew first and then translated into Greek.

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I do not believe that for a second. The original language of Hebrews is Greek. What I said was,

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I believe Paul preached it in Hebrew or Aramaic, whatever, to whomever he was speaking, whatever would be best for them.

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And Luke wrote it in Greek. But I do not believe that there is a literary example of Hebrews prior to the

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Greek that Luke wrote. So maybe misunderstood me on that. I think he and I are very close on that.

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But see, he's into doing all this translation into Hebrew of New Testament books and stuff like that.

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I'm really not sure where he's going with that. I mean, I think it's neat to have stuff like that, but there are people who think that Matthew was originally

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Hebrew and others who go all the way, the New Testament was originally Hebrew and, you know, then they can do all sorts of weird, fun, crazy stuff with it.

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I'm not sure exactly where he ends up on all that stuff. But their attempted response to me completely failed to provide a meaningful presentation of what the text means.

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They criticized me, well, you're doing it backwards and upside down and you need to do exegesis and then you've got application and you've got explanation.

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They're trying to play all these games rather than admitting we struggle to explain to people in a meaningful fashion what the text is saying from the original languages.

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We want to play the game that there's only certain people who can do that and it takes you forever to do it. Yes, if you want to do in -depth study and exegesis, you can spend hours and hours and hours and the lexicons and and doing all that stuff and all the scholarly stuff and now all that's fun, but it's worthless if you can't tell people what the text means.

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It's worthless. It's a waste of time. If you can't take that and then stand there and tell a reasonably intelligent and literate person what these specific words mean in the context they were written, it's a waste of time.

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It's a waste of time and you guys didn't do it. You guys didn't do it.

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I got to the end of that and I'm just like, I can't believe it. I've been waiting all this time and all these side issues and all this and the question that I asked during cross -examination was left unanswered and I'm just like, really?

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So there is a whole section and so since since I would have to go searching for it,

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I'm just gonna hold on to that because it it tied a bunch of standard anti -Calvinistic stuff together.

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Maybe what I can do, Rich linked me, he's sent me the video.

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It's a small video. I hope it's proper resolution or something. But he sent me the

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Radio Free Geneva video and I think I'd know how to do it. Just play it off of the computer there and then transition over to camera two, which

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I'm on right now. I think I would know how to do it, to do

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Radio Free Geneva because I also ran across, I don't even remember how I did it, but I ran across a objections to Calvinism thing.

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It's only about five minutes long but it it takes us back to the original purpose of Radio Free Geneva, which was to provide answers to the common objections that people hear all the time and which would allow us to respond to that kind of stuff.

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And so maybe we'll we'll sneak a Radio Free Geneva in. I'm not sure if I can do it while I'm in Pryor because I'm speaking in the evenings, but it's gonna take me,

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I'm not doing super long legs coming back, so I should have, you know, as long as we we can get a good solid connection like we have here, then it would be worthwhile to do those objections and then maybe that section from Garza and Bretta, put that all together, do some

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Radio Free Geneva, make everybody excited and happy and stuff like that. So why not?

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Why not? All right, still got two minutes left, but to be honest with you, nobody cares if I get done, you know, 60 seconds early or something like that.

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The world's not gonna end and I'm just very, very thankful for the fact that I I do have more food in the refrigerator that didn't get spoiled today.

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And looking forward to getting up to Pryor and just pray for Traveling Mercies.

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They had a tornado fairly close to Pryor. Oklahoma got hit with a bunch of them over the past couple days and there's a possibility of more coming in the second night of our conference.

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So pray the Lord will allow us to really dive into the

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Doctrine of the Atonement, it's beautiful, and then safe travels home.

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I very much appreciate that for everybody to do that. So thanks for listening to Dividing Line.

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God willing, we'll see you sometime later in this week at some point. Thanks for listening.