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Romans 13 and the Christian Response to Government

Welcome to another episode of Dead Men Walking. Jason, how are you, sir? Great, great. Hey, listen, we've got a topical episode for you. But I'm gonna have Jason read our proof texts that we're going to be talking about and kind of swirling around as the foundation for this episode.

So Jay, can you read Romans 13 one through four for us? Yep.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God. And those exist and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore, whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed and those who resist will incur judgment.

For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority, then do what is good, and you will receive his approval. For he is God's servant for your good.

But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

That is a powerful set of verses. And yes, very popular right now. It seems like on social media and in churches. Yeah, with everything that's going on. Tonight's episode we wanted to or today's episode depending on this morning's episode, whenever you're listening to it.

We kind of wanted to focus on a couple topical things. I think we wanted to touch on the COVID -19 pandemic and the Christian response to it, as well as also going on right now we have the Black Lives Matter and the kind of civil unrest and the Christian response to it.

And we just felt that Romans 13 was just a great place to kind of lay the foundation for that discussion. Because everything that we do as Christians has to come through the worldview of the Bible, and line it up against that.

I feel that maybe there are a lot of Bible believing Christians out there that sometimes and I'm guilty of this as well. And I'm sure you are too, to where we let the secular culture influence us over the gospel culture, the biblical culture, what the word says.

So we were just going to sit down and have a conversation. I know we had a lot of people reach out to us on our Instagram and Facebook page and really wanted to know thoughts on COVID -19, the civil unrest that's going on in the country.

Those are two huge topics. I don't know if you can really come out of those subjects and say you're absolutely right and you're absolutely wrong. Maybe you can. I do know there's a lot of difference opinion even within the church.

Let alone, even within the Christian community. There seems to be a lot of external influences that are kind of shaping how leaders and pastors and churchgoers and Bible believing Christians are responding to those two subjects.

So I figure we'll jump right in. You want to start with COVID? I mean, we kind of touched on that. We've been doing this right through COVID. So we kind of touched on it a few times. Just briefly.

There's a lot to bring to the table. I mean, the mask issue, the governing issue that just came out today from Governor Whitmer and here in good old state of Michigan and getting fined and what how businesses are responding.

Yeah. So for those listening or watching that, to what Jason just said, so we just had an executive order signed by our governor here in the state of Michigan that said if you are not wearing a mask in public, or in a place of business, that you will be fined $500.

Isn't that by July 13, I think is the.

I think it is. Okay, it's it's here in the next few days. Yeah, yeah. And there was a lot of kind of recoil from that from a lot of people in the state of Michigan. We were actually going in the opposite direction of, you know, the the phases of reopening and getting back to normal.

We've actually taken a step back in Michigan, even though COVID deaths are down COVID cases are down. We seem to be going in the opposite direction. But yeah, the biggest questions I've been getting from people is how do you respond to that as a Christian, right?

And I can tell you that, you know, the same Christians that say, hey, wear a mask, it's the law, we should obey the government. Romans 13. I say measure everything against the word. Government was put into place for those who to for to keep those to continue to act righteously, as we just read in verse four, Romans 13.

So I've kind of come across this where we, you know, both sides of the fence, kind of use the same text, right? Right. And when I look at Romans 13, when it comes to a soft tyranny, kind of like wearing a mask or a secondary tax, or, you know, over regulation of personal freedoms and businesses, I classify those as a soft tyranny.

I look at what Paul's saying. And I don't think we can make an argument for Romans 13. That says, whatever the government says we're supposed to do because God put the government in control and instituted its authority.

In fact, it says something very different to me in those verses. Definitely. We all know right now that if, you know, as Bible believing Christians, if the government, you know, made theft legal, we would still say, well, our moral standard, according to the Bible says, we're not going to steal, right, right.

We saw this with slavery. Within the church, we had something that was legal and not moral. We see this with abortion. Yeah, right. We see something that's legal, but not moral. So there's all kinds of examples throughout our history, to where the church has actually stepped back and said, Well, no, just because it's instituted as legal by our governments, whether local, state or federal, the law of God supersedes that, right.

And the early church struggled with this as well, even down to gathering, they weren't allowed to gather, which is going on under Rome. Right, some parallels there, right? Some stuff out in.

California going on right now. But that's a but that's a great.

Point. What did the early church do? Did they say, Oh, okay. Right. Rome said, we can't gather. Paul says we're supposed to listen to the authorities. So we're not going to gather.

Didn't they tell Paul to stop spreading the gospel? Sure. I.

Think he was imprisoned a few times. But he kept preaching. Yeah, exactly. So so anyone, I feel if they're a Christian that says, well, Romans 13, you have to listen to what the government says, because it's been instituted by God.

I think they're missing the point of Romans 13. I think they're missing the really important point. And you want to. I think I have, I wanted you to read that verse four. Again, I have, I have this version here that I don't like, and I don't know why it's out here in my office.

And I think, did you have ESV? Is.

That what you're from? Yeah, ESV? Yeah. And I think it's verse three and three and four, maybe. Yeah. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but bad, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority, then do what is good, and you will receive his approval.

For he is God's servant, for you, you're good.

But then there's something in there like, well, why do you think they carry guns and swords and weapons, right? Because if you're doing something evil, you're going to get reprimanded. Yeah. Because I think people have to look at the of why the law was even instituted.

And when I say law, I'm talking about Mosaic law, God's law. He was basically saying, and Paul said it, it's like, it's like a mirror, it shows you that you are flawed, the law does, right? I think I was watching a video by, I don't know, maybe Dennis Prager.

And he was talking about, you know, if once again, if theft was legalized tomorrow with thefts go up? Well, yeah, right, they would, right? Because the consequence of the law helps keep our unrighteousness in check, our sinful nature in check.

I'm going to tell you right now, you can have the most devout Bible believing Christian, but if you were allowed to take an extra $20 from a business owner, or, you know, I don't know, cheat on your taxes.

And we say cheap, but it was legal to do so. Yeah, you would do it. Yeah, a lot of people would do it. I'm not saying you personally saying a lot. A lot. If anyone from the IRS, wait, wait, wait, he's joking.

We don't want to not it. But that's the whole point is we're fallen and we're sinful.

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This this promoter says you hit me I'll sue and Rocky turns around. All of a sudden he just hits him. He's like sue me for what?

Wait, so talking about not paying your taxes made you think of that?

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No. So like I was saying, when you try to institute Romans 13 to say, if the government tells you to do something just because it's the law, well, I think we as Christians have a lot of arguments against a lot of things that's happened in this country that we say no, it might be legal, but it's not moral.

Right. And I think what the law does is it keeps the sinful nature and the unrighteous man. And when I say man, I'm talking about mankind in check. Right? There are some people that don't do unmoral acts, just because they're scared of the consequence.

Okay, or they're fearful of the consequence. In fact, I think there are some people out there that would probably do some very severe unrighteous acts, whether it be murder, extortion, or theft, or, you know, some type of physical harm to someone else.

And the reason they don't do it, or they're discouraged by it is because the law says there's consequences for that. Right. And that's what Paul's saying here. He goes, look at the leaders, the authorities of the government have been set up according to that principle of God's law.

Meaning, they will not, or they should not basically mess with the righteous, or throw the righteous in jail, or if you're being peaceable and obeying the law, not arrest you or, you know, harm you or back then heck torture you and kill you.

But if you are doing something immoral or illegal, then yeah, of course, in verse four, why do you think they have the sword to enforce that? And that principle has been instituted by God. Okay, he's talking to Jews, and some Gentiles there, but in talking from a Jewish standpoint as well.

I mean, that's why the Jews had the law. That's why God gave the Jews the law to set them apart from other people. We talked about this on past podcasts about I for an I meaning equal punishment under the law.

Right. So for me, when someone says Romans 13, we have to do whatever the government says, I says, Well, that's just not what those verses are talking about. Right? You know, and I think that trickles down into some of the things we're seeing now with COVID.

You know, in California, you cannot worship, you can't open your mouth and sing at church during praise and worship. There's places in other states where you can't gather because of this. And you have to realize, I look at everything and say, Well, what what are the what's the whole picture?

Right? Because if you just watch cable news, and you watch a couple, you know, talking heads, you will just hear death, death, death, everyone's dying. This is a huge pandemic. It's going to kill everyone.

Fear, fear, fear, security, you need to put your trust in the state, you need to put your trust in your own might, you need to do what we say, or you're going to die. Which one that's just not the truth.

I mean, if you look at COVID facts, okay. USC just came out with a study and said that the fatality rate is 0 .01%. Okay, that's less than the flu, right? Okay. You have 136 ,000 people infected with COVID 1 .2 million people died from driving in cars.

So then do we you know, do we put a five mile limit per day on driving? Do we ban cars? Do we say hey, you can't drive anywhere? One and a half million. Right? So we get into this weird thing to where when an agenda or certain facts, air quotes are really pushed, and they're not true.

Well, then I push back on that a little bit. And I have to say, okay, we have an are not which is how fast the virus spreads about the same as the flu. We have the average age of people dying from COVID -19 is 84, 84 years old.

Average life inspectancy is 79 in the United States. Yeah. I mean, geez, maybe some people should get COVID they could live five years longer, right? It's ridiculous. And I'm not trying to make light of people passing away or dying.

I mean, we we love our seniors and older people. That's really who it's attacking. But you've also got to realize that all COVID -19 classifications are classified that way with any respiratory issue.

So our very first case in Monroe County of a person who passed away due to COVID -19 had heart disease, cancer, overweight, diabetes, and then got a respiratory illness tested positive for COVID -19. They said, well, oh, that's what killed that was Yeah.

And he was he was in, you know, basically near hospice before COVID -19 was classified as his death. So not only that, but you have the CDC, the Center for Disease and Control in the United States said, Oh, yeah, if you have the common cold, and you're in that Coronavirus, because it's a there's a whole bunch of viruses in the Coronavirus.

Okay. It's the common cold, flu, pneumonia. If you have any of those.

Everything, you're not really fine. Yeah, yeah, everything.

Fits in it. Yeah. So you could walk in with a common cold be tested, you're in that Coronavirus family, you're now a carrier of Coronavirus, for the common cold, pneumonia, influenza, COVID -19. And that's right from the government site saying that.

So, you know, when Christians come to me, or even non Christians, and they say, How can you, you know, not do this or not wear a mask or don't, you know, not listen to authority, I just say, Well, I'm looking at it from, I want to say either a fact space or logic base.

Let's look at all the whole picture here. Right? Yes. Some people have passed away. Yeah. Right. But when we compare it to pneumonia, flu, SARS, h1n1, h1n1, even h1n1, a lot of people don't realize 60 million Americans were infected with h1n1.

One in five people. Yeah, we had 2 million deaths. Did does anyone remember that? Right? Just 10 years ago under Obama? Yeah. But nothing on the news, no scare, no fear. No, you know, put your mask on, right?

That was a much deadlier virus than Corona ever was. So when I look at all of that, I kind of see a fear and security culture, secular culture, really pushing that on the church, and saying, Hey, you, you don't need to trust in God, you need to trust in the state.

Right? And when we had Sam storms, I was he talking about when he even says, the anti Christ spirit, the spirit of rebellion, whose team are you going to be on God's team, or the team that rebels against God, right?

And when I look at these small things like masks, closings, not being able to gather at church, now, and I compare it to what the virus actually is, I look at that and say, Well, this is a this is a form of so this is a form of conditioning, and especially a form of conditioning for Christians to put their trust in not only the state, but in themselves, right, lean out on their own understanding, instead of trusting in God.

And that's what it really comes down to when I talked to a lot of believers that are, you know, for these executive orders, and for the mask wearing and for, you know, comply, comply, comply at all costs, without any question, when I really dig down to the root of it, they, they're living in fear, and they're not trusting in the one who created them, save them daily provides for them, as Isaiah says.

And I think when you have that paradigm shift of the Daniel or the Shadrach, Neshach and Abednego, or the Elijah, or the David in Psalms and say, You are my everything, I daily depend on you, take my life or give me my life, it doesn't matter, because at the end of the day, I serve you, and I'm here to sacrifice for you and obey.

Then I think all these other things kind of fall to the wayside, right, you know, like the mask wearing and things like that. So, I guess that's a, that's a little drawn out there, if you want to jump in or say something.

Well, there were there were a few verses. No, that's, that's good stuff. I mean, that's, you know, where we're at right now, you know, we're being told. Yeah, that they have all the answers. And we just have to listen.

And you know, that, that we just have to hop on board and not sing in church. And I'm starting to see, I mean, I don't know if anybody would agree with this or not. But in the Christian Church is the most persecuted, you know, religion, I mean, out there.

Sure. I mean, we are continually just being, you know, jumped on and not physically, well, in some places, maybe possibly, but I mean, there's always someone out there that's just pushing back at everything.

And internationally, that's, that's to be expected, right? Because our, our actual belief is not to, yeah, push back,.

Look, right, like, we're supposed to just go wash feet all the time, and not have anything else to say about abortion, like you said earlier, right, about wearing a mask about, you know, and anything, you know, like, I mean, like, we can't say anything about anything, like, we're just supposed to sit back, take it for what it's worth.

And, you know, just go hide in our home, until, you know, God comes back and takes us out of here. Sure. In the escapism pre trade. Yeah. Which, yeah, nihilism is a big bug, man. It's a big bug.

Just flew into the studio. Yeah, nihilism isn't isn't true Christianity either, right? Just Oh, sit back and whatever will be will be and hide my hide myself. You know, ostrich in this head in the sand type deal.

Yeah. I was just saying too, though, that that makes for an easy target for Christianity, because we don't have tenants or doctrines, say, like 25 to 35 of the believing Muslims in this world, which is about three to 4 million people that believe, you know, it's okay to kill someone if they belittle the Prophet Muhammad.

Now, that's going to be sticky for someone to hear that might be listening this and say, Oh, well, that's, I don't want it's even the word you use for xenophobic. Is that what you know, anti Muslim, but.

Gets thrown around. But that's the facts. Yeah, right. You do.

It. You do an international survey of almost 500 ,000 people and they said 25 25 to 35 on some scale said, Yeah, it's okay. It's okay to put to death a woman who has had sex outside of marriage. It's okay to put to death a person if they belittle the Prophet Muhammad.

You know, 15 to 18 of them believe that, you know, bombings were okay in the name of Allah and jihad, you know. So my my whole point wasn't to get on the whole, you know, different religions and things like that.

But you've got 100 ,000 Christians in in China that have been murdered. You've got all these Christians in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, tortured and murdered. And I think that's a little bit easier of a target for a non believing world.

Just because yeah, we're not going to come back and, you know, bomb you because you kill I mean, we know, as believers that martyrdom might be part of our walk, right? I mean, you know, the blood of martyrs is really what watered the early church.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean,.

You know, here in here in America, I mean, even just the arguments that the the doctrine, the theology arguments that we get in, you know, over here. And I know that's, you know, not as as harsh as obviously getting your head chopped off, right.

And all of that, but I mean, it is. I mean, the world looks at the church and sees that sometimes we can't even get along, you know, and it's like, I mean, you know, we're we're told to call out false teachers.

Sure. We are, you know, we are given that given that appointment,.

Not only call them out, but expel them from the fellowship.

Right, right. And, you know, but, again, some people may just completely disagree, and think that universalism is something that is supposed to be a part of the church, and that the new age should go ahead and be let into the church.

But again, I mean, no, it's not biblical. It's not, you know, I mean, as much as you want to go into a works based theology. It's not right. You know, it's not biblical. It's not. Yeah, it's not how our faith is set up.

You know, it's by grace, you're saved, not by what you do, you know, and that and that's what the American Church is headed towards, you.

Know, well, it's already there. I think it's there. It's been there. And, you know, I really think it has a lot to do with if you you know, you do a bird's eye view of the Christian church, and it really comes down to and this has been going on for a long time.

This isn't like the last five or 10 years. I'm talking 5060 70 years in America, where the church, the Christian church, the believers has allowed the secular culture to dictate what the church does, right.

And it has not dictated to the secular culture, what the gospel says, okay, if you go, if you were to go down into a Southern Baptist church in 1950, okay, the blacks were sitting on one side, the whites were sitting on the other side, why?

Because the law said the culture said segregation, yet when they would sit in those same pews, and they would read verses like there's no Jew, no Greek, no slave, no free, we have all been redeemed by Christ, we are all the church, right?

What in there probably was some churches that were doing this, but why wasn't those churches being counterculture? And saying, No, we're not going to do what is legal, because it's not moral, just because something is legal doesn't make it moral.

And just because something is legal doesn't make it okay to do or not to do, we have to do what the Bible tells us, right? You know, so, and we've seen this just escalate in the last 1520 years with with the culture wars right?

From everything from, you know, what, what is a life, right? Life at conception, life at birth, you know, the whole.

Life until it's 20 weeks, right? You know, yeah, the abortion.

Issue, we've seen it in the gender issue where we've seen sexes and I don't even like saying the word gender, it's sex, male and female, God created two sexes, male and female. Yes, there's outliers. Yes, in this fallen world, we have people that have, you know, cross chromosomes in medical issues, I get that that 0 .6 of 0 .06 of the population, okay?

We're not talking about that. I'm talking about how we were created male and female. This goes back to Genesis one. I mean, this couldn't be more simple when it comes to Christianity, but we've seen many denominations freely accept this, right?

We just saw last week, and you know, I'm gonna mention names, you might like them, but TD Jake's, he came out and said, Oh, I've evolved on homosexuality and transgenderism. I have thought about this.

And I've just seen too many homosexual and transgender couples that getting along and loving the Lord and serving in the church to say that it's wrong, right to say that it's wrong in the eyes of God.

Yeah. So you have major pastors that have said you want to what the fight is too great. I don't want to keep fighting against the culture of the secular world. And I'm going to give in and let it acquiesce to gospel says, right.

And, and we keep seeing that over again with with major points, where the world and the Bible come in conflict, right? And it's just sad to me, because now we're seeing it with not only COVID -19. But even with the racial divide in this church, you're seeing pastors get up and say things like, you know, we support Black Lives Matter.

Now, first of all, that name is so disingenuous. Because if someone says I don't support Black Lives Matter, well, what kind of idiot are you, of course, any regular, sane person loves black, brown, yellow, white, right, right.

But the issue with that is when you have mega pastors, right down to the local church, using that terminology, that if you Google Black Lives Matter, and you go to their website, and you see their platform and what they stand for, and what they represent, and what they want to institute right in the United States, you have no business using that terminology, because that terminology is linked to cultural Marxism.

It's linked to, you know, everything from the homosexual agenda to the to the trans agenda, to defunding the police burning down, burning down buildings, taking down statues to erase history. And look at I'm not here to defend Confederate statues and the killing of natives and all that stuff.

What I'm saying is there's a couple things that you have to understand. Those who do not learn their history are doomed to repeat it. Okay. And in some instances, we have to have reminders of what our past was.

So we don't repeat it. Right. You know, I think Ronald Reagan famously said freedom is always one generation away. Or maybe he said tyranny is one generation away. Freedom, which or the you know, the lack of freedom is one generation.

I feel like George W. Once you get fooled, can't get fooled again. What I was trying to say was, essentially, it only takes a generation or two to forget what the previous generation fought for, had, or upheld.

Right, right. So I'm kind of looking at all of these situations, the social situation, the Black Lives Matter, the rioting, the COVID -19 stuff with not being able to worship and in the state dictating to you what you are and are, are and are not allowed to do.

And I look at it. And when I see the majority of Christian churches in the United States, I just see them acquiescing to a secular culture, instead of standing firm in the culture of the gospel, and proclaiming that promoting that and exclaiming that right people, right.

And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that a lot of these pastors are playing church, and they're not doing church, right. And you're going to lose a lot of stuff. When you're a 501 three C, and you are tax free, and tax exempt, and you have to answer to.

And when I say state, I'm talking about government in a whole whether it's federal or state level. There's some things that you have to tiptoe around. Yeah, because you either don't want to lose that status, you don't want the you know, the local politicians and police showing up at your church on Sunday, you don't want certain groups showing up and calling you certain names and hurling things at you, you're going to be in the news, you're going to be on the in the paper, you're going to be on cable, you know, news shows.

And to me, I look at that. And I look at that as pastors and leaders and Christians caring more about what men think of them than what God thinks of them, right. And I've said on quite a few occasions, I think, you know, when I look at the choice, I'm going to stand up for what God wants me to stand up for.

Because at the end of the day, when I stop breathing, I'm immediately going to be in the presence of an all holy, all righteous, wrathful, sovereign God. And you can I can tell you right now, I'm much more fearful and reverent of what he's going to say to me than what anyone down here what any man or woman could say to me, or what culture might call me.

And if I lose friends over it, so be it. Well, if I, you know, get banned on social media, so be it. Yeah. If people say I'm not going to vote for it, so be it. We can't come over to Greg's house because we think he's a little kooky with the way he thinks about what the Bible says, so be it.

Yeah. You know, you Calvinist. If you've ever been kicked out of a Bible study for quoting scripture, yeah, you might be a Calvinist. That's a great name. Yeah. But so that's where I kind of see those things.

What I mean, what do you think when you look at those? I don't want to conflate COVID and Black Lives Matter, but those these two big things that are going on that are really causing destruction and kind of animosity and like a rift within the Christian.

Church, right? I mean, I think, you know, the Black Lives Matter movement, um, just like you just said, I mean, I, I don't I just, who wouldn't, you know, want to want to stand with someone that was being treated unfairly?

Right? Who wouldn't want to do that? I mean, that that just makes sense. I mean, act 1726. And he made from one man, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, boom, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.

You know, it's like, man, oh, man, like, like, what are we? What are we saying? In the church, if we are becoming woke, you know, quote unquote, you know, um, I mean, it's like, just like you said already, I mean, inviting in the world and the secular view, rather than the biblical view of what we were supposed to be living out and believing in.

And, you know, I mean, yeah, show me a business that's being racist. Guess who's going to be there standing next to you and never go into that place? Yeah. And standing up against racism? Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, come on, like, who, you know, yeah.

And if there is a person that I don't know, you know, would would stay away from something like that. I mean, I would be surprised. You know,.

If the church was truly doing its job and how church discipline works, and how membership works, there would be no racist in the church ever. Yeah, that person would either be excommunicated, excommunicated, expelled, or, you know, or brought into restoration.

You know, in Voti Bachmann talks so much about what you just said, we came from one man. There's, there's no different races, right? We're all the same race. We're just different shades of melanin.

Melanin. Yeah, we have different melanin. Melanin. Melanin.

Feeling Tommy boy. Yeah, row ads. Melanin and then niner. But yeah, it's, it's, it's tough. Because then you have Christian leaders. And once again, it's gonna sound like I'm just dogging on Christian leaders, but it's so prevalent right now.

You see all you see all the the popular guys, you know, the Stephen Furtick's Yeah, and the Joyce Myers, and the small small stain, the small small stains. And they use words like systematic racism, institutional racism, well, show me show me the systematic, show me the institutional, and I'll stand with you shoulder to shoulder, and we'll shut those things down together.