Responding to a Black Hebrew Israelite | Apologetics Live 0028

Original Research and the Need to Check Sources

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Usually, they drop the next day. So, I want to give time at least to start. I'm going to share screen here. Here we go. So, I got this email. Let's see. I'll close that down so it's not as distracting.

And I want to read this so you can see. This is the email that we got, and I'm not taking it out of context because I know how the black Hebrew Israelites, or they call themselves now Hebrew Israelites, like to respond and claim that people are taking them out of context and fun things like that.

Let me just do this real quick so I can get my I can see the chat here. Okay. All right. There we go. Excuse me. So, and I see that the author of this email is here in chat or at least watching. He's welcome to join, and we'll see if he can defend his arguments after we show the arguments.

But here's what he says. I'll read it to you. So, he says, I have seen the founder of this website debate my fellow Israelites, and I would like to take the opportunity to prove why so-called black people are Hebrews.

I would like to display why the so-called blacks are true Hebrews and show legitimate sources for the cause of theory and dispute the Samaritans never left argument. Now, first off, I don't know the Samaritans never left argument.

So, I didn't make either of these arguments. So, he wants to challenge me on something I didn't say. Okay. But I find this next part kind of interesting. I expect a detailed essay in response. Otherwise, I consider my stance as an Israelite true by forfeit.

And mind you, and my mind will never be changed. Okay. So, here's something that you get with folks, and I want to point this out so that you can see how people end up arguing. All right. Let me bring this back onto me.

So, the thing that you see here is he makes an argument that if I don't give a detailed response, in other words, if I don't give a response that's satisfactory to him, then he's right because it's not detailed enough.

And his mind can never be changed. So, what's the argument for truth in his mind? Well, himself. Because notice, if it's not detailed, a detailed essay. So, if I wrote like 15 pages of absolute and utter nonsense, but it's very detailed, would that prove that he's wrong?

Actually, no, it wouldn't. I tried to illustrate that to him by just basically giving him a quick response and telling him eventually that if he responds to me, if he responds to this email, then that proves that he's trying to convince himself he's right, and therefore I'm right.

That was the argument that I ended up making with him, is to say that if he responds, that proves I'm right. That's a bad way of arguing, by the way, but it's something that people will do because, well, they lack an actual argument.

Now, I'm going to show, let me click back to sharing the screen so you can see what his argument is here. Now, let's see this detailed argument. He was very upset with me that I responded quickly. I gave him an answer.

I basically told him he was a joke and not worth my time because I actually have things to do. Obviously, he doesn't. Now, he thinks that this was a very detailed argument that he made. He says, now I will prove that Adam was black, and he's going to base it all from this book.

I guess I can't, there we go. He's going to base it all on this book, Biblical History of Black Mankind. Now, I want to show why doing original research is important. He believes that this work that he put together, all from one source, mind you, from the Biblical History of Black Mankind, he's going to make all this argument from there.

He's going to give some videos. By the way, you got to love when a place calls themselves realhistoryww .com. I mean, that's got to be classic. If a group has to call themselves real history, it usually means nobody else is saying this because they can't support it any other way.

It's one of the things when people have to claim their own intelligence. Let's just look. This is not going to take very long to debunk. It's actually in the very first sentence. Now, this is one that I'm going to spell out some of these things for those who are listening on podcast.

In this book, Biblical History of Black Mankind, chapter 1, page 5, he says that C. McGee Livers states that, who is Adam? This is from that resource. It says, quote, the Hebrew word for Adam, A-D-A-M, is Adham, A-D-H-A-M.

That's going to be important. He's adding the letter H in there. That becomes important. And is phonetically pronounced Adham, A-D-H-A-M. Now, he goes on to say, in Biblical days, a name said a lot about an individual.

According to Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, page 10, the word Adham means dusky, tainy, to have dark skin, thwarty, shadowy. It also means mankind. So, notice here what he did. He says that Adham really should be pronounced Adham.

Well, here's what I would like to do if we can. Just go to, well, let's go to the Hebrew. Let us start, for those who can see on screen, I have my Logos up here. We go to the word Adham in our English.

We'll right-click here so that we can get the word that is there. And we'll do a quick word study on this. And what do you know? It comes up as Adham, A-D-A-M. No H in there. Hmm. So, what we could do very quickly is click on the Brown-Driver-Briggs.

And as you can see, for those who are watching, here's the Brown-Driver-Briggs, so you see exactly what I'm pulling up. This is what this gentleman didn't do. Notice, if you will, in his email, it just says Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon, page 10.

Hmm. That's interesting because what we end up seeing is when we go to Adham, the actual word, we see here it means man or mankind. So, definition number one is a man or a human being. Definition number two is man or mankind.

Definition number three is first man. And definition number four is a city in Jordan, in the Jordan Valley. Hmm. Nowhere does this say anything about shadowy, dark skin. None of that. That's because this is the actual word Adham, which is how you would pronounce it, not Adham.

You see, what he did here is he fell for a very simple trick, and he thinks this guy is so scholarly. He didn't check the work. If he would have checked Brown-Driver-Briggs, he would have realized that this guy McGee-Livers, who wrote Biblical History of Black Mankind, he would have realized right away that the guy's telling falsehoods because that's not what Brown-Driver-Briggs is saying.

Brown-Driver-Briggs is saying that the word Adham means mankind. Now, he goes on to add the letter H for the H sound. When he goes to his, when he's going to his thing here, and for those who can see, if not, I'll spell this out.

But notice, he's saying Adham should be pronounced A-D-H-A-M, giving himself a new word. And that word can mean, now, that word happens to mean not dark skinned, but just dusty, okay, or from the earth.

So what he does is this gentleman, whoever wrote this book, Biblical History of Black Mankind, what he's done is done a bait and switch. He does something that sounds really good, that Adam, in English, should be Adham.

But if you, again, look at this, let me show you. This is an aleph, that would be your A sound. This is silent, a silent vowel. This is your daleph for your D. Here is the A, and that's the M. So Adham, okay, when you have this, so these are going to be basically what you have for the letters.

You don't have an H sound. An H is, let me see, I could probably pull this up real quick, because we'll give you a quick, I bet, here we go. I don't think I left it up. Here's the alphabet. So here's your aleph.

He's arguing that this letter is in there, the H. Do you see a H anywhere in this word for Adham? No, you don't. No, you know why you don't? Because it's not there. Because that's not how you would say Adham.

And so what he's done here is he has done, fell for a bait and switch. He fell for something that, unfortunately for him, he's believing is legitimate, and it's not. So I feel bad for the gentleman who is trying to argue this way.

It's a bad way to argue. You should not be arguing. You should do original source material, okay? And when you do, you end up seeing that things like this are not legitimate. Now, if he wanted to come in here, I know he's in watching, and he was commenting earlier.

I don't know. So he's still commenting, but he's not in here. Now, obviously, it's easy to get in here, because we've got three other people who are in. But this is what I want to show you with this is, excuse me, when we do this, I want you to recognize how easy it is to disprove these arguments, because Brown Driver Briggs does not say that Adham means shadowy, dark-skinned, or any of that, okay?

And that is an easy way for anybody to be able to just, if someone mentions they have a source, go back to that source. Don't accept, what was the name of this book again? Biblical History of Black Mankind.

Don't accept that as if that's all you need, okay? Because what we end up seeing is, when people do that, they don't go back to the original source. And you may be fooled into thinking something, as this gentleman was.

He's fooled into thinking that Brown Driver Briggs actually teaches what he thinks it teaches. And this is why I would say that the guy is a joke, because he hasn't done basic, I mean, basic stuff. I didn't even have to get past the rest of this email.

The rest of it was just as bad. But the reality, because it's all based on that assumption, and yet, the assumption's false. So, that's the thing I want you guys to see. It is important to do original research.

It's one of the things that makes my job difficult, because that's what I do. When someone gives me articles, I don't just take their word for it that someone else said what they said. I go and research that.

That's what you do when you're going to do original research. You're going to find that there's a lot of times that these sort of things, you can easily pick up are wrong. Okay? And so, this is important to do.

Now, unfortunately, this gentleman doesn't want to come in here and discuss this, but we're going to see if maybe he will later. He's probably so, you know, he said this took him so long to respond, so long to type up, and therefore, I needed to give him a detailed response.

I didn't need to go into much more detail than that. Right? The basis of his argument is based on a falsehood. I just showed you Adam means man, mankind. It doesn't mean dark-skinned. Okay? So, we're going to add in

I added in Manager01. Let's see. Let me bring your volumes up. Where are you? All right. So, you can unmute yourself. Let's see. I don't know if I can unmute you. There you go. Do you have any questions for us tonight?

Oh, he muted. I just unmuted you. You remuted yourself. So, go unmute yourself there. And see, when I'm doing both host and both roles here, I'll unmute you again here if I can. Let's see if that works.

There you go. So, Manager01, do you have any questions for us tonight? Okay. I think he said no. He doesn't have any questions. Shake your head if you said no because he said it quick and we didn't get in here.

I just wanted to make sure. I will try to watch the chat if you end up having a question. There were a bunch of folks chatting away in the inside chat here. I'm going to add Kat. You are in next. So, you can unmute yourself.

And I know you mentioned something about a Bible earlier. It's hard to read two different chats when I'm also trying to read my own screen to talk about this stuff. So, how are you doing, Kat? I'm good.

How are you doing? Better than I deserve.

Oh, well, yeah. I guess I could say that to you now. I'm shamed. Okay, yeah. Well, no, I wanted to ask because today was the first time somebody posted a scripture that was automatically generated. And it was from the, oh, what is this called again? Lexham English Bible.

It was Isaiah 28, 10. Well, yeah, no, really it was just 10. And how that read was for it is blah, blah upon blah, blah. Blah, blah upon blah, blah. Gah, gah upon gah, gah. Gah, gah upon gah, gah. A little here, a little there.

And I initially thought the person was being disrespectful to the scriptures until they pointed out it's actually a translation, a version of the Bible. Which is a little different from like in the ESV for it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept.

Line upon line, line upon line. Here a little, there a little. What verse were they looking that up in? It is Isaiah 28, 10. And so my concern was not really what the scripture itself is saying. But for me to see a Bible where it is translated as blah, blah upon blah, blah.

I just wanted to know what, if anything, you knew about the Lexham English Bible. Because it seems a little disrespectful in my opinion. And I could be viewing it totally wrong.

Yeah, so, excuse me. The Lexham is, the only familiarity I know of the Lexham. I first came upon it when it came to the Logos Bible software. And that's what they use. And yeah, I just looked it up to confirm.

That's, by the way, what we were talking about earlier. What we do when we do original research. You say it. Go check it out. And yeah, it's in verse 10 and verse 13. That's a very interesting, interesting translation that they did.

I'm not too familiar with the original translators here that did the translation. I know, I don't know. The only time I ever hear of Lexham is tied to Logos. So I don't know if this comes from the Logos scholars.

I'm trying to dig that up right now to see who it is.

I don't know. In the footnotes, it says specifically for that scripture. I'm reading, in this context, the Hebrew expressions. And I don't know how to pronounce it. T-S-A-W. T-S-A-W. And Q-A-W.

Q-A-W are likely meant to sound like baby talk. But they could mean command upon command and rule upon rule. So, I don't know. Like I said, I got a little hair on the back of my neck went up. And I kind of, you know, blah, blah.

Scripture does not say blah, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah. They're saying that this is for a smoother translation. Let's do this. Oh, thank you, Charlie, for that link.

Let's see. Charlie is quick with the links. He's awesome. He is the link information resource king.

I am convinced that Charlie knows, I'm convinced that Charlie knows the CARM site better than Matt Sleck. I'm just convinced of this. Because he has those links for CARM faster than Matt can get them at times.

Seriously. So, let's see if I could share screen. And I will share that Bible. I should probably make this larger for folks who are watching. Because it's probably kind of small. All right. So, here this is in the English standard version.

And if we take a look at precept upon precept and look that up. Okay. It is, it comes up here as, actually, not used too many times. Most of it right here in this Isaiah. Actually, all of them except for one in this Isaiah 28.

So, precept upon precept is nothing or worthless, vanity, destruction. And so, if you look here, I'll enlarge that for folks so that they get an idea. They can read this. But as you see there, it does say blah, blah upon blah, blah.

Gaga upon gaga. And so, it does seem that they're thinking. And this is this other word here. We can quickly pull that one up. And it says that this means babble. Line upon line. Actually, which is interesting.

All right. Because if the word here means babble, where it says line upon line. If that actually means babble, then maybe blah, blah and gaga make more sense. If precept upon precept is meaning vanity or nothingness.

Maybe you can see it's worthless, as you can see from the word. I think they're trying to emphasize, my guess, the translators, maybe to emphasize its meaninglessness. And it's babble. Now, this would be really hard for those that are the Hebrew Israelites.

Because they turn to this passage all the time to say this is how you interpret the Bible. And they always focus on the here a little, there a little. Because they say you have to grab a little here, grab a little there.

That's how you're supposed to do your. Oh, I wasn't sharing, was I? I just noticed that. Yeah, you weren't sharing at all. Well, I could go back.

Why didn't that share? You know, Google Hangouts sometimes. Yeah, it's glitchy. When you get a chance, also check out John 1 -1. That's a little odd. In the lecture? Yeah, in the LAB. But, yeah. But go ahead and show everybody this one.

Okay, now you want me to show everyone this one? Alright, whatever you want. So, here you see it. Wow. Upon Gaga. And if you see the meaning of the blah blah there is worthless or nothing. And the Gaga that they translated is babble.

The New English, the English Standard Version has it as precept upon. Actually, almost all translations I know do it precept upon precept. Line upon line, here a little, there a little. The King James would be similar.

So, that's kind of interesting.

Isn't this the verse that the Blackie Rose lights use to determine other scriptures?

Correct. They will use this one part. Now, this is the thing. So, let's bring up just for, since we're talking about the Hebrew, the fake Hebrew Israelites. Since they don't want to be called Black because they say they're not Black, we'll refer to them as fake Hebrew Israelites because they're not Hebrew Israelites.

So, we'll look at the Holy King James Version. We'll make that a little larger so it can be seen. And for precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.

Now, they focus just on this. The here a little, there a little. And they will argue that's how we're to interpret scripture. We take a little from here, take a little from there. That's how you interpret.

Well, that's really bad. I know, yeah. Because if you look at this, it's saying, it sure looks like it's saying, in English at least, you build one precept upon another precept, one line upon another line.

And, you know, looking, because I haven't actually looked into the Hebrew here until today with this, but, you know, maybe this is a better translation because it, if the word is nothingness, then what this would be saying is, for nothing must be upon nothing and nothing upon nothing.

Babble upon babble, babble upon babble, here a little, there a little. Now, when you read this in the context, right, you see that for a stammering lips, it's going to talk about nonsense. People that try to use doctrine and they create it out of nonsense.

Now, that's the context there, which is, I think, kind of interesting that the Hebrew Israelites always want to go to this, because if they actually read the, now, we understand, they focus just on line upon line, or sorry, on here a little, there a little, they focus just on that to say, hey, you're supposed to grab a little bit of the Bible here and a little bit there and slam them together.

We call that proof texting, by the way. When you grab different passages of the Bible out of their context, slam them together, that's called proof texting. That's not how you're to interpret. That's a bad way to interpret.

They do that all the time. And they argue for this, so they say, oh, you're not supposed to read the Bible as if it's a novel. That's exactly how you're supposed to read it. So, let's take a look. John, you said John 1 .1?

Yeah, check that out. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Okay.

Oh, okay. On their website, it shows, on their website, it shows this. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the, oh, okay. Never mind, I totally missed it. Yeah, I misread it.

And the Word was God.

Vocab Malone on Black Hebrew Israelite Beliefs and Language

Okay. Okay, so vocab, how he can come in. So vocab, go to apologeticslive .com. There's a link to join there that you can join us. I was hoping that vocab would come in. I should give a shout out to, let me try to read this, FullBellyBear.

FullBellyBear gave $4 .99 in a super chat. He says he's currently reading your book, vocab. So vocab, you have someone that's out there reading your book, and I actually need to get a copy. I should ask vocab when he gets in here.

How do I get a copy? For folks who don't know, while he's, we wait for him to come in, vocab is probably, I don't know anybody who has researched fake Hebrew Israelites more than vocab. Jason Manning just gave a $5 super chat.

Vocab needs the Google Hangout link. How about Freestyle with Andrews? So let me just, I will just drop the link in here. There's a link, vocab, for anyone else that wants to come on in. How do I get that to go away?

So vocab Malone has probably done more research than anybody I know with the fake Hebrew Israelites. I know that they love to challenge me because, well, I'm actually an Israelite. They don't like that.

You know, and the way you can tell someone is by their, you know, from their genealogy. You go and you ask who's their father and their father and their father and so on and so on and so on. And when you can trace your line all the way back, then that's who your genealogy is.

So I don't know if this is vocab or a Hebrew Israelite. They're coming in with some Hebrew is their name. And the font is way too small for me to read. So you could just unmute yourself. Looks like I am okay.

So I am, I'll just call you I am. You can unmute yourself or not. There we go. What's your name? Javier. Javier, how are you?

I'm doing great. How are you? Good. What's your background? I'm a Christian. I live in California, currently in college.

All right. Now help me out because the font is way too small for me to read this in the screen. What's the Hebrew? I can see it's Hebrew, but I can't read that.

Oh, it's just the name of God. Yeah, okay.

So the I am was like, oh, okay. All right. So do you have any questions?

Well, I was just listening to you guys talking about the other version. Okay. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Okay. Well, if you have a question, you can just unmute yourself and jump on in. Vocab is here. By the way, Full Belly Bear just gave a $1 .99 super chat saying, haha, fake Hebrew Israelites. Now Vocab's probably going to get on my case for calling them fake Hebrew Israelites and tell me I got to be nicer or something.

Vocab, how are you doing, brother? I am doing all right. Can you guys hear me good? Yes. Okay, excellent. Is that a flying spaghetti monster hat or something?

No, this is a, he's called the lookout guy. So back in the day, I used to be a amateur graffiti artist. So this guy's got really big eyes and a couple spray paint cans, so he looks out if you're doing graffiti art.

That's who that is.

Since you asked. Well, I figured if it wasn't that, I thought it would be some pop culture reference. I wouldn't get it. John would come in here laughing. I don't get pop culture. But so Vocab, before you came in, I was responding to an email that I got last week.

And the gentleman, or I'm assuming gentleman, was in the chat. So he was watching my response, but didn't come in to respond. He basically was arguing that the word Adam, that we would say in English, is properly pronounced Adham and means dark skinned, dark or shadowy.

And it could also mean mankind. So we were going through the Hebrew there for the word Adam to show it actually just means mankind. So first off, before, let's give folks a little bit about you and where can we get your book?

It's on Amazon and it's also on a website called thebookpatch .com. Those are the two places.

He's going to reach for it. Give the title of the book. I don't know what you did with your lighting, but man, it made you look like you were.

It's called Barack Obama versus the Black Hebrew Israelites. And I'm trying to adjust my lighting. Is it better now? Oh, yeah. Before you look like it.

Actually, I don't know what you did with the lighting. It was really cool because it just everything behind you is white. Right. Angelic. I could do it again. Yeah. I mean, you look at it. Yeah. If you turn into camera where you had it before.

But there's the book. It's got a nice glossy cover. And it's called Barack Obama versus the Black Hebrew Israelites because there's a movie scene that was like Obama's biopic. And there's a brief scene where he argues with some Hebrew Israelites in this biographical pic that was on Netflix.

And so I said, that's a good title for the book. I have not seen that video. It's just it's not it's an actor. So I don't know if it happened, but he did walk through Harlem when he was at Columbia. So it's hypothetical that it could happen, which that means Obama is the earliest apologist against Hebrew Israelites.

Well, I don't know about that because I think I know that I've been arguing with him for longer than he's been president. But I don't know. I'm just kidding. Hey, we just got a super chat. From Soldier for Jesus Christ 999.

And it says, God bless you, brothers in Jesus Christ. So a lot of people want to give that extra 99 cents or just wanting to save a penny. So so you've done vocab, I think, more research on the fake Hebrew Israelites than anybody I know.

What got you studying this particular group out?

Well, so they they first appeared on my radar when they started showing up in my kind of in my neighborhood in my old city, which is Columbus, Ohio. And they started busting into churches in the middle of services there.

And my friend who was in the neighborhood, I had moved to Phoenix already. He told me about him and he said, do you know who these guys are? And I did not know them at the time, but I looked them up and found out.

And I said, whoa, this is because this is about a decade ago. I said, this is some religion, you know. And so I just kept it in my mind, you know, but I never saw them or ran into them until one day in Phoenix.

I did see them. So I said, let me go talk to them because I actually know a little bit about them. And it was just a wild conversation. I recorded the audio and I said, maybe people will be interested in this, even though I don't think anyone knows who these guys are.

So I uploaded it and everybody wanted more. They wanted answers, you know, and so I was like, well, let me give you some resources. So I'd go around and look for resources. And I realized. There's not really very many resources on these guys.

What do I do? So I said, well, I'll just do it until someone else steps in. And then I kind of just ended up getting stuck there.

Well, were they when you say they're busting into churches, were they busting in to African-American churches or white churches or either?

Predominantly historically black churches. They would come in, tell everyone they're Israelites and they need to keep the law. And if the congregation didn't accept it, which they never did, because you can imagine, they would curse them out in their fake Hebrew language.

And then they would leave right before the cops came.

OK, now you brought up the fake Hebrew language. So let's talk about that, because they do. I remember one of the first times I had someone on the street try to tell me I don't know Hebrew. They did it because they gave this long paragraph or so in something that sounded sort of Hebrew, but not really.

I could not discern any, almost no words. Lashawan Kodosh.

That's what it's called. It's called Lashawan Kodosh. Most Hebrew speakers cannot make out what they're trying to say. So where did this come from? Well, this is something I never usually do, but since I'm writing about this, I'm going to see if this makes sense.

If I read something that I'm working on writing. And I think it will explain it. The main difference between Lashawan Kodosh and modern Israeli Hebrew is that the former does not possess the vowels O, E or U, nor does it have consonants that produce the sounds for V.

The one vowel that Lashawan Kodosh has that is not present in modern Israeli Hebrew is an I, as in pie or kite, which is only produced in the ayin, the 16th letter of the Hebrew alphabet. Proponents of the Lashawan Kodosh dialect assert that this letter can only be pronounced as an I.

In other words, they believe, and then I've got a little chart here I'm working on that kind of breaks down the way they pronounce each letter. And I'll just read it to you here because you'll see, this is their alphabet pronunciation, what I'm reading here.

That's their alphabet. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And so their dialect comes from the fact that Lashon Kodesh means Holy Tongue. But since one Westers, this is the certain type of Hebrews who uses this, they pronounce it Lashawan Kodosh.

Similarly, they pronounce the popular greeting Shalom as Shalawam or Shalom. With regard to their salutation, one of the groups who broke away was called the House of David. They went underwent some evolution and they used to do Shalom back in the mid 90s, but then they realized there was a Vav in there.

So they switched to Shalawam and later to Shalom. That's hard to say Shalom. Over time, then they basically admitted this group, particularly this is one of the split off camps that they didn't know Hebrew.

And so now they just say Shalom. So a lot of times when one of these groups will break off from the one West variety, their language will undergo some kind of change as well. Like G .O .C .C. They're the only ones who call Jesus Yeshaya, whereas everyone else calls him Yahawishai.

But yet there's still a one of us Hebrews like group. It's a common thing they do since none of them know Hebrew. They'll make these weird changes sometimes when they break out and some of them just become pragmatic.

I .U .I .C. Even though they hold a Lashon Kodosh, they say, well, nobody knows it, so we'll just call them Christ like everybody else. And their name is actually Israel United in Christ. They don't even use the Lashon Kodosh, even though they still hold that it's valid.

So it's it's a it's a big mix up thing. But there's a lot of Hebrews alights who aren't involved with this and they either want to learn real Hebrew or some of them actually learn real Hebrew. But those are not the guys you encounter on the street.

You know, now this this form of or dialect of Hebrew we see, I think the earliest we see it is for in Harlem in like was it the 60s?