Open Lines

And good afternoon, welcome to The Dividing Line. My name is James White and it is a cool blustery day here in Phoenix, Arizona, but we are live and we invite your participation today at 866 -854 -6763.

I just asked the folks in the chat room what we should what we should talk about today and one of our chief geeks, we have two geeks of tremendous credentials as far as geekiness in our channel and those would be MDH who got his lips ripped off by his wife last week and E Nielsen and so he's one of the two chief geeks in channel, and he suggested that we do a PDA sequel.

Oh, gotta get the cough button down here because my asthma came back this week. Isn't that fun? It started coming back last Monday, or yeah, Monday. I think it was Monday, and so it's obviously allergy-induced asthma, which is a wonderful thing, but we have a little cough button here, and I'll probably be, if you hear dead air, you'll know exactly what's going on.

I'm coughing up another lung, so just don't worry about that part of it, but that's what we'll use it for. I guess you're not supposed to stay out in the air, are you? Well, anyways, and I am NOT going to do a PDA sequel because I could not believe the complaints.

Well, the geeks loved it because geeks have PDAs, and then the non-geeks were just like, would you please do something other than that? I will only say one thing about PDAs. I was gonna do this, and it has nothing to do with E Nielsen suggesting this, but I did this week.

Some of you, one thing I didn't talk about last week, and some of you might find this useful and interesting. It's only one thing. It's only gonna take about two minutes, so don't start complaining. What about Hebrew on your PDA?

Well, there is a program called Hebrew Support from Pentagon .com that provides you a pretty decent Greek font on your palm or handspring visor device, and most other devices like that, they have different versions of it available.

Last year I purchased the Tanakh, the Old Testament as we Christians call it, but the Tanakh, the Torah, the Nevi 'im, and Ketuvim, the Law, the Writings, and the Prophets, and actually, it was Prophets and Writings, the way I said originally.

Anyways, and those were separate files for each book that you could open under TealDoc and it worked pretty well. But I recently changed how I have my PDA set up, and now I have actually two PDAs. I have two visor edges, and one visor edge I have dedicated solely to biblical stuff.

I mean, I've only got 300k left on that thing. It is just packed out completely. There's just not much room left there at all, and so I couldn't move the files over because they are linked to your hot sync name, and you might want to keep that in mind when when you download something from the net, you put your hot sync name in, it's probably going to be stuck with that hot sync name for the rest of your life.

So if you decide to change PDAs, and of course, I'm hot syncing two different PDAs off the same laptop, I have different names for each one, and so I started looking around because I still wanted to have the Hebrew Old Testament, and lo and behold, the people didn't make these anymore.

They don't make this particular, they don't offer these just files in this format anymore. Instead, they use another Bible Reader program, and I'm not sure if this is the Bible Reader program from Luridian or not.

It doesn't have Luridian anywhere, so I don't think that it is. But anyways, they now have a, it's a Bible Reader program that allows you to have the English Tanakh, and it's a Jewish translation of the Old Testament, and the Hebrew in it splits the screen, puts them in the windows, and when you scroll the one, it scrolls the other, and it's really cool.

It's really neat. It works very, very well. It has a better search engine in it than Bible Reader from OliveTree .com does, unfortunately, and I happen to just discover that if you use Teal Lens from, what is that, Teal, is it TealPoint .com?

Teal, yeah, I think TealPoint is where you get TealDoc and all the rest of the stuff. Teal Lens is another neat program that allows you to blow up, basically, sections of the screen and move it around and magnify stuff, which sometimes, especially when you're looking at a small Hebrew text, is very, very nice to double the size of it.

And so that's what I'm using for my Hebrew Old Testament. So I now have the New American Standard, New King James Version, NET New Testament, and that's the All in 27th Edition with Gram Chord, the Hebrew Old Testament with an English Tanakh translation of it, along with P-Greek, which is a Greek vocabulary program and Scripture Partner, all on the same PDA.

And I carry it in a small little thing, and that's my Super Bible. So it is now the Mondo Gizmo. For those of you who know what that is, the Mondo Mega Gizmo, and so that'll be cool. Another thing to mention, and I hope I'm not jumping the gun here, Aomin, because I know that you're going to be putting this up on the website, but we got a videotape in, and I had, now that I think about it, I remember that when I did the pastor's conference on the Giga Gizmo, yeah, when I did the pastor's conference on Harold Camping's teachings, there was a member of the church there who had a video camera up in the balcony, and I didn't really give it a lot of thought.

It obviously didn't register with me. So this videotape arrives, and I give it to Rich Pierce to throw in, and we throw it in there, and it comes up, and wow, it looks really good. I mean, as good as it can be with me in it, I mean, that's the downside of it.

But as far as the quality goes, it's just it's incredible, and we didn't think we'd be able to make something like that available, but lo and behold, we do have it, and so we're going to be putting that up on the website for sale, I believe, ASAP.

So if you would like to have the videotape, now you can get the, we're going to be putting, do you have any idea how long till we are going to be able to start doing the stuff with the MP3s? Any possible idea?

There's a question mark. That's all I'm going to get is a question mark. You do have a microphone out there, don't you? Doesn't that sound really good when I start doing that kind of coughing? It sounds just, I know I have a cough drop, I just keep forgetting to use that.

Anyways, we are eventually going to do, I'm not getting any responses, maybe, so I wasn't actually planning on getting on the air here. Yeah, well, you know, scramble, get a microphone hooked up, be ready in season and out of season.

The Bible says that, you know. Well, I will be working on getting the script built to make that happen this week, along with all the print shop duties I have the next three weeks, filling all the orders that we're behind on, etc, etc.

I'm looking for a wave. No one should actually feel sorry for me or anything like that. I'm looking for a wave here at some point. I guess, Warren, you're probably going to have to pot up number six there now.

Yeah, why don't you pot up the computer there? Anyways, we get you a cough button, and what do we get? I keep forgetting this stupid thing. Now, so we're going to make a lot of these things, the tapes that we have available, available in the form of mp3s, or is it just going to be the radio programs?

No, my goal is everything. Make everything available in the form of mp3s that people can buy for like $1, $1 .50, $2, depending on how long it is? Yeah, it would be based on how long the recording is, so based on an hour, it'd be $1 an hour.

Okay, $1 an hour, so if it's an hour and a half, $1 .50, two hours, $2, something like that. And then we have a server, and you can just grab them that way, download them real quick, and then you can, you know, do with them as you wish, other than, of course, you know, reducing them and setting up a separate site and saying, okay, we'll sell them to you for $0 .50.

You know, that's probably not the really good thing to have happen, huh? Who is NA27 disputing with them? Am I disputing with you? Do you feel like we're disputing? I don't think so. We're just talking, aren't we?

Sort of like, you're giving me a hard time because I'm not doing any of this fast enough, though. Well, I wasn't giving you a hard time. I feel persecuted. I was not giving you a hard time. We just want to get people excited about all the things happening at Alpha and Omega Ministries, at the plush, luxurious offices of Alpha and Omega Ministries.

And could you get Zeke out of here? I'm sorry. And this cough drop is going to wear out here pretty soon if I actually start using it. Well, I just wanted people to know that we're going to make the videotape available, right?

Yes, we will. And I will get right on that as well. And I have two, we have those two MP3s that have already been made. You may have already recorded the stuff from the Herald Camping stuff, right? I recorded it.

I've dropped it into WAVE format. It came out real crisp and clean. So we're going to drop that down to MP3. That will probably be one of the first items that we put up for people to get their hands on.

I'm looking to start marketing the MP3 feature with stuff that we don't even have available yet. Right. That makes sense. And then slowly start getting the other stuff that is available in other formats into the MP3, make that available too.

Good. Well, a lot of folks are buying MP3 players now. I have one. That's a really good way of listening to stuff and so on and so forth. That's a really good way of doing it. So thank you very much for that insightful information, Dr. Pierce.

You can go back to your corner of anonymity in there where you just, you know, send me little nasty notes in the window that I never talk about. You know, I don't point out that, you know, I get those little notes and things like that.

But that's OK. That's OK. Bye. I guess he's gone. It's really quiet now there. Anyways, I just had someone in the channel mention something about Dave Hunt's book. And I haven't seen it. I would like to see it.

I've had it on order for a very, very, very, very long time, since sometime back in December now. And every time I go back and look, they have moved the publication date back. And I understand how that works.

Sometimes that's the author's fault. Sometimes that's the publisher's fault. I don't know. I've heard rumors about it, but since they're just rumors and I can't confirm, I'm not going to go with it. But his 500-page book, Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God, is supposed to be out.

I obviously would like to have a chance to look at it prior to the next time that Dave and I speak at the same place, which actually is going to be April 19th and 20th. So that's next month, April 19th and 20th at the PFO Apologetics Conference in St. Louis.

He and I are both speaking. He's speaking on Islam. I'm speaking on the King James Only controversy and the Roman Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. And so we're both doing plenary sessions there, and I'm doing a workshop session.

I didn't see if he was doing a workshop session or not. I don't recall. But anyways, I would like to have a chance to see it before then, because I'm sure I'm going to be asked about it. But we will see what's happening with that.

I need to turn my timers off here, because that's sort of silly to be announcing that the program's already started. So that's coming up. And obviously, once the book comes out, then we will have the opportunity of reviewing it, and we'll provide a full review.

I've even been asked if I'm going to respond to it in print. And I sort of doubt it, unless I really feel that there's a major need to do so. I've got a number of other books to be writing right now, including the third of the Dudes series.

We've done What's with the Dudes? The Door, What's with the Mutant and the Microscope. And the next book is a book on the Bible for youth. And so we're going to be doing that one. I have a book on Sola Scriptura and a book on Bible translations.

So they're all in the same general area. And numerous debates. By the way, April 2nd at Biola will be the debate. Starts at 7 .30 p .m. Myself against George Bryson. What is the role of man in salvation?

Obviously, I'll be defending election and predestination, that man is the dead sinner who must be regenerated by God. And hence, man's role is to be saved by God, period. And end of discussion. And What's with the Dudes at the PDAs?

Excuse me. So yeah, I used the cough button about halfway through that way. I'm getting close. I haven't really done all of it, but I'm getting close. Anyways, What's with the Dudes at the PDAs? It's pretty good.

We could do What's with the... Well, I'm not going to say that. Anyways, we've got April 2nd. Mark it on your calendars. To my knowledge, there is no entrance fee. There's nothing about. Tickets or anything like that.

The debate is going to last about three hours. Looks like it's really good format. And there were almost 2300 people who turned out to the debate that they had last week. The first in this series on eschatology.

So they're looking for a really good turnout for this debate as well. It should be very exciting. And so those of you out in the Los Angeles area or just California in general. April 2nd. That's like a month from today.

We will be engaging in that debate and that's going to be really interesting. And of course, the end of this month will be the Easter pageant in Mesa. Then after that, we've got the debate in Los Angeles.

Three days later, I'm debating Gilbert Scharf is the new opponent that I have on the subject. Of the effects of sin upon man, Gilbert Scharf is LDS. And we will be debating that in Salt Lake City. And then the next day is the General Conference of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City.

And then the next weekend. Oh, I'm looking at their own calendar. The next weekend, possibly up in Colorado. The weekend after that is St. Louis. The weekend after that is the Biblical Discernment Conference in Toledo, Ohio.

And the weekend after that, I have a nervous breakdown. So that's the current calendar of events between now and that's just the beginning of May. And then in July, we have all that stuff going on. Good grief.

And by the way, of course, we will also. I just want to remind you of the cruise coming up August 31st through the beginning of September up in the wilds of Alaska. I'm looking forward very much to that.

And if you could do us all the favor, if you've been interested in that, even if you just have an interest, you just want to get some details. You're not really certain, but you just want to get some details.

Get a hold. There is a link at the bottom of the page on our website. Get a hold of Michael Fallon and let him know that you're interested. Talk to the guy. He is absolutely infectious in his excitement.

He puts these things together himself. He's just a really cool dude. So give him a call or drop him an email, whatever it is, and talk to him and he'll get you hooked. So if you're hookable, he will hook you.

So get in touch with him and look at that. So with all that stuff coming up, people ask me, what are you doing on the dividing line today? Basically, I always say to them, it's going to be something religious.

And they get mad at me. And it's like, you know, honestly, I don't always know since we've got stuff going on. I mean, you know, I just got an email and just I'm sitting here. And was this forwarded to me?

Let me see this here. No, actually, it came directly to me. And, you know, sometimes when there's stuff like that that comes in 10 minutes before the program, I'll change everything that I had thought about doing and just roll with that.

I like to have that kind of freedom to be able to just simply, you know, go with the flow, respond to folks in the channel, you know, whatever else it might be. You know, that's what this program is all about.

We don't have to worry like you do on a radio program, aside from the fact that you're shelling out, you know, who knows how many dollars per second that you're on it. You don't have to worry about the specific, you know, station concerns and all the rest of that stuff.

And it's just nice to be able to interact with folks. And especially since we have a phone number called 866 -854 -6763, you can get in and ask your questions as well. There were a couple of things I wanted to discuss today.

One of our two super duper geeky guys that like make this whole thing work, because I just sit here with a microphone in front of me and do my thing. The guys on the other wall, on the other side of the wall there, Mr. Warren, aka Scott.

He has a split personality. We're dealing with him on that thing. You know, just, you know, we've contacted the Deliverance Ministry, they'll be over today. No, seriously. He just came in with a copy of a, I remember when this booklet came out.

In fact, in fact, was I at the general, was at the district conventions when they, I don't, I may have been at the district conventions when the Trinity Book booklet came out. I know it was there when the Reasoning from the Scriptures booklet came out.

This is back in the 80s when I had hair. But of course, he had been, he had run into one of Jehovah's Witnesses this morning and had a very nice conversation with the gentleman and he had given to him a copy of the Trinity booklet and there have been entire books published in response to the Trinity booklet.

I believe Ron Rhodes makes extensive reference to it. Robert Bowman makes extensive reference to it. There was an early book that was published, sort of self-published in response to it that was pretty much a page by page response to the entirety of the Trinity booklet.

And of course, the main arguments in regards at least to biblical passages I dealt with in the Forgotten Trinity as well. And I guess the specific area of discussion there was in regards to the Council of Nicaea.

And of course, I addressed that in the article that I wrote for the CRI Journal, what really happened at the Council of Nicaea. And in fact, I'm going to ask somebody in the channel, in fact, that's another thing that Eni Olson is like, El Supergeek on is, I'll just mention something in the channel and like 30 seconds, a minute later, all of a sudden, here's this URL.

In fact, we were getting bothered, we were getting harassed by this interesting fellow earlier this week and I happened to mention the fellow's name and channel and it couldn't have been two minutes later and Eni Olson post this URL about the guy.

I mean, it's got his picture and the whole nine yards and I'm like, whoa, this is really frightening. Of course, another dude, a few, I don't know, months ago, private messaged me a URL that was a picture of my own stinking neighborhood, which made me feel really good that you can find that kind of information about folks and get an aerial picture of their own neighborhood so I could sit there and look at my own house and this guy's on the other side of the nation, so it's a scary thing.

But anyways, I would like to find out, because I was just mentioning to Warren and I didn't get a chance to finish and look up, is the Nicaea article, what really happened at Nicaea, on the CRI webpage because there's a lag.

This neighborhood does not stink. You know what I meant by stinking neighborhood. It was, I just didn't like seeing an aerial picture of my own neighborhood. No, it's a very nice neighborhood. Thank you very much.

If someone could hit Equip .org and tell me if what really happened in Nicaea article is on the website, then I can let people know they can hit it and find out and take a look at it. Yes, I mean no. I mean, geeks are so easily confused.

Someone could let me know either yes or no in an open way. Yes, it is on the Equip .org website, what really happened at Nicaea, and that way you can go look at it yourself. But anyways, we have addressed a lot of the issues that this particular booklet, that the societies, they've been publishing this thing now, I forget what the exact publication date it is on.

I think it was about 86 or so, something along those lines. I'm just guessing off the top of my head, 85, 86. It's one of their older ones, but obviously one of their more effective ones. And it is interesting to note though, those of you who deal with Jehovah's Witness apologists, and I don't get to deal with them as much as I used to, A, and to be honest with you, most of them that I encounter in the internet are, well, Mr. Parker, for example, came in a couple days ago into the channel and I think he left on his own, but they're just, I guess they think they're being funny or something, but they're just, 1989, okay, thank you.

Yep, there it is. Thank you, Mr. Nielsen, you are the man. You get today's Ultra Geeky Man Award on the dividing line. I'm not sure exactly what comes with that, but I'll tell you what, we will double your ops pay for today, for being Ultra Geeky Man today.

Equip .org slash free slash DN, those are capitalized 206 .htm. So that's www .equip .org slash free slash capital D capital N 206 .htm is the URL that has been provided by Ultra Geeky Man for us today, who, by the way, does have a PDA.

And in fact, it is a Handspring Visor PDA. And I just thought we should mention that because it's a very important thing, at least to us anyways. I love that cough drop. Anyways, what was I talking about?

Oh, the Jehovah's Witness apologists who come into channel are frequently really not enjoyable to talk to. They really aren't listening to what you're saying, so on and so forth. But the point I was trying to make is they really are not using the argumentation that is found in that booklet any longer.

They realize, since they have gone against at least what the society used to say, the society used to very, very plainly say, do not read anything that is critical of Jehovah's organization. And we've talked about this before, but the situation really hasn't changed.

People like Greg Stafford and others, they have yet to feel the wrath of the society, at least to my knowledge, and I could be wrong about this, but at least to my knowledge, they have not yet felt the wrath of the society.

And they are obvious, obviously, by the materials they're producing and the arguments that they're using, going beyond what the society is saying, and they're obviously reading anti-Watchtower literature, even though society says not to do it.

And the fact that they have developed arguments that take the arguments in the Trinity book two or three steps farther in response to the refutations of them demonstrate that they are doing this, that they are going beyond the society.

And we've said many times in the past, if the society does not crack down on this, it does signal that at the very least, the society has recognized that they just cannot insulate, I guess is the best term, their people any longer in light of the basically ubiquitous nature of information in the information age, between the internets and emails and so on and so forth.

They just can't keep their people away from this information. And so I don't know if they're just sort of in that state where, all right, we don't like it, we can't insulate our people anymore, but we don't know what to do about it.

Or if they've made the conscious decision that how they're going to handle this is, well, we're just not going to talk about the opposition out there. We're not going to forbid you from reading their stuff, but by just not mentioning it, we're sort of going to let it be known that we don't encourage that.

Knowing, however, that certain people, especially those people who have an apologetic bend, are going to go ahead and do that kind of stuff. Who knows? We just don't know which direction they're going to be going on it.

But it is really interesting that when a Jehovah's Witness passes that pamphlet out, you'll be able to tell pretty quickly in how you respond to it, whether this is an individual that that's the extent of their apologetics, that they are not in contact with what seems to me to be a fairly small group of Internet Jehovah's Witness apologists, or whether they are.

It really depends. So it was interesting to see that that pamphlet is still being passed out. Of course, I knew that it was. You see it in laundromats and stuff like that all the time. It's still out there.

But it's been responded to over and over and over again. And the better apologists, in the sense of the more well-read, have already responded to it by going beyond it and responding to various refutations of it and things like that.

So you may have some questions about that particular issue, 866 -854 -6763. The other subject that I was going to be addressing as we come back from the upcoming break would be the subject of the church.

The reason being, as you all know, generally the subjects that I raise are subjects that I'm currently working on. And I am working on the book called Dangerous Airwaves. And I, this morning, starting last night and then this morning, have been working on the chapter on the biblical teaching on the church.

And so I wanted to make some comments about that. And take your phone calls at 866 -854 -6763. We'll be right back. The number again is 866 -854 -6763. How do you like that for service? That was just asked in the channel.

Oh, fast cut off on that pretty song there. Just a little bit too quick on that. Turn down the volume. You got to slowly ease those things out. I'm a professional, you know. I used to do this for a living.

And boy, there it went again. Anyways, a couple things before we go on to another subject. I had a, I got a message from a banned person. And I'm not sure if you should talk about banned people. I guess you can.

You banned them. You might as well talk about them. Fellow who, actually we've talked about him before now that I think about it. Yeah, of course we've talked about him before. Computer Chopped It, Not Me.

Chopped, C-H-O-P-E-D. That's good. The computer chopped it. Good. Fine. Anyways, I'm merciless at times. There was a fellow who we talked about, oh, I don't know, two, three months ago now. I forget what it was.

In regards to James Aiken's error about the quote unquote, Ingressive Heiress at John 644. And in fact, we played his phone call to Catholic Answers Live. Then refuted what James Aiken had to say after that.

He has since been banned from the channel. And yet he likes to come in once, twice a day and get kicked out. I think it's sort of earns some indulgences type thing. Experience martyrdom. I'm not really sure what it is.

But I got a note from him in the IRC channel. And it was a fascinating thing. I'll just read this to you. This is from, was this yesterday? Yesterday or day before yesterday. I forget which one it is.

It was at 536 in the evening anyways. And it says, by the way, in answer to one of your questions, you pose the author of By What Authority? Yes, that lesbian witch at Boston University is indeed a Christian, albeit a bad one, but a Christian nonetheless.

You know full well that my church teaches that anyone who has been baptized with the Trinitarian formula is a Christian. There's the quote. And my response was straightforward and not politically correct.

I said, yes, which proves your church is utterly clueless. Try reading First John, my friend. And of course, I was referring specifically to First John. Well, there's a number of passages, but First John 2 .4 comes to mind.

The one who says, I've come to know him and does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him. This idea that, well, as long as man has, by his sacramental authority, done the sacrament right, then bingo, bango, bongo, you're a Christian.

The New Testament knows nothing of such a theology, nothing of such a concept. A lesbian Wiccan cannot be a Christian. As Paul said, such were some of you, but you were washed, but you were cleansed, so on and so forth.

There is simply no possible way of putting the two of them together. And so it was just fascinating that someone would read the question that I had asked to the author of By What Authority, who is Mark Shea, about this particular individual.

And the response is, oh, yeah, lesbian witches can indeed be Christians, as long as they're baptized properly. So much for the authority of Scripture. And the teachings of Scripture at that point. One other thing.

Some of you who have been around a long time are going to know what I'm talking about here. But we're coming up on the 20th anniversary. It will be July 28th, I believe, is the date of this year. And I'm not certain, let me grab one of my many PDAs here, and see how close we're going to get to July 28th as far as...

Let's see here. Let's go to the month view and go over to July. How close are we? Well, the 27th. That's real close. So I think it's July 28th will be the 20-year anniversary of something. Anybody happen to know what happened July 28th?

In fact, this is cool. I can move the microphone with me over to my books. There it is, reaching over here. Sort of like Rush Limbaugh going with his papers and stuff like that. Let me double check this.

Yep. July 28th, 1982. What happened July 28th, 1982? I guess I got to put the book back where I got it, don't I? There we go. Does anyone know what happened July 28th, 1982? 20 years ago, I'm... On the 27th, I'm going to do...

I'm going to try to arrange a special program on the 27th of July. I should be back and hopefully have survived the preceding months. And if I can arrange it, I'm going to see if I can't track down my friend Steve Camp to come on the program.

And because he would know what happened July 28th, 1982. Some of you will understand what I'm talking about when I say that back when I was a young person, back in my high school years, there starting in midway through my sophomore year, Lord really got a hold of me and I really fell in love with the Word of God.

And I was spending a lot of time... July 28th, 1982. And I was spending a lot of time looking at the scriptures and studying the scriptures and all sorts of things like that. And one of the things that had a really big impact upon my life at that point in time was music.

Believe it or not, I'm not very musical anymore. Ever since I developed asthma, I cannot phrase worth anything. And I really can't sing very well anymore. I took voice when I was younger and could actually carry a decent tune.

I can't anymore because I just can't hold my breath that long. But I love to sing and music had a big important part in my life at that time. And there is one particular individual in the early 1980s is not exactly the heyday of contemporary Christian music, shall we say.

But there was someone at that time who was really blazing the way in what eventually became contemporary Christian music. That person's music meant a lot to me. I can sit back today and I can see elements in this man's music that I wouldn't necessarily agree with today, but I don't do that.

And on July 28th, 1982, is the day that this man and I believe three of his children died in a plane crash. And I hope that my computer is up because he's the man who sang a song that goes like this. There's so much more.

That is the voice of Keith Green, and that's one of my favorite songs. Anyways, how can they live without Jesus? There are so many others. I remember when your love broke through and just all sorts of songs.

Of course, I have all of his all of his CDs and things like that. That music meant a lot to me as a young Christian at that time. And I was working at a radio station. That's one of the reasons microphones don't bother me as I grew up in high school working at a radio station.

And I was working the night shift six to midnight. And we had one of those old style UPI news wires just outside of the control room. And when an important newscast would come through, an important message would come through, there's a little bell on it.

It would go ding, ding, ding to let us know of a urgent message. And the reason I know that that took place July 28, 1982 is because inside of my old, old, old The Way Bible. You wonder how old this thing is?

The Living Bible Illustrated, not only does it have pictures of 1970s style people in the front, and it's held together by tape, but it costs $5 .95, and that tells you right there that this is very, very, very old.

And I taped this inside the front cover of this particular Bible that I evidently had that day. And it's yellowed and old. And here it says, Van, Texas. Officials now say only 11 people were killed late Wednesday when a small plane taking off from a Christian evangelical group's private airstrip near Van, Texas, crashed just 500 yards from the end of the runway.

Earlier reports had said 12 people died in the crash. A staff member at Last Days Ministries says the plane burned upon impact in a densely wooded area. The crash occurred about 20 miles northwest of Tyler.

Authorities say among those killed was Ministry Director Keith Green, who also wrote and recorded Christian music. Jim McNichols, a Dundee, Illinois radio personality, calls Green one of the top Christian contemporary artists in the country.

That's UPI, July 28, 1982, 1016 PMS. And that is still there in my Bible from long, long ago. And the reason I mention having Steve Camp on the program, other than the fact that Steve's a good friend of mine and we talk fairly regularly, is Steve knew Keith Green and could give us some personal insights into him.

And I think he'd probably enjoy being with us if we could schedule it anyways. And if we can't schedule for that day, then we'll just, we'll record it if we need to. But play some of Keith's music and talk about stuff like that.

Had a big impact. I can honestly say that if it has appeared on a CD, or of course, back then it was records. Remember those things, guys? Records, LPs, the things you could scratch and skip and all that kind of stuff.

If it has appeared and Steve, Steve Green, Keith Green, y 'all are confusing me up there because you keep talking about Steve Green. Steve Green is not Keith Green. If Keith Green sang it and it was recorded and it's been released, I know it.

I know it verbatim. I can sing it without actually giving it a second thought. In fact, I know Keith Green music so well that it's one of the few vocal things I can listen to while writing. Because it's, of course, I'm not, I don't have to think to hear the words.

They're already there. And so that's really, really interesting that that's coming up here. I had forgotten the exact year that it was and I forget what it was that got me starting to look at that. But I thought, well, we're coming up on the 20-year anniversary of that and I would like to do something about it.

So you might want to mark your calendars. I'm going to try to do something about that. July 27th, we're going to talk about Keith Green and the impact his music had. And maybe some of you in the channel, some of you who listen, you too were impacted by his music as well.