Matter of Theology joins to talk Politics

It's fascinating to me how easily someone in one religion can find the fallacies and biases in another religion.

I think that what's fascinating...

You're razor sharp on your criticism of Islam here.

Yeah, but what I find fascinating, Jeff, is that you recognize that with other religions, but you don't do it with your own. Because I...

That may be the case. And there's that confirmation bias coming up again.

Show Introduction and the Problem of Confirmation Bias

This is Apologetics Live. To answer your questions, your host, from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport.

All right, well, we are live. Apologetics Live. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What?

Isn't this... This is Matter of Theology. This isn't Apologetics Live. No, no, no, no. This is Apologetics Live. It's Thursday night. It's eight o 'clock. We're recording live. No, we... Matter of Theology records on Thursday nights.

Oh, yeah. But you're not live. No. So how in the world did I end up here? But, I mean, I would like to thank you for inviting me onto my show.

Well, the reason that I'm on here is because, well, it's Thursday night and we're live. And I think you had a Matter of Theology podcast. Didn't you have a thing where you had Chris, your co-host, saying that you weren't going to be around, but he ditched you to be in Florida?

That's right. He did ditch me to go to Florida. Yeah. Like, I mean, who does that? Exactly.

So we had to do something. And so we're combining both Apologetics Live and Matter of Theology. That's right. Which, by the way, it was really just a ploy so that I could slip in and be the most returning guest to Matter of Theology.

That's really what it's all about. With that, I will bring in Dr. Silvestro and Pastor Justin, who are also part of the team here at Apologetics Live. Welcome to the Matter of Theology podcast as well.

As a matter of fact, if I had a chance to go to Florida and skip out on anything with Andrew, I'd go to Florida.

You know what? I think if you went to Florida, I think you would still get phone calls from Andrew while you were there. I would.

For the record. For the record, I was in Florida. He skipped out. He was on his way to Florida and decided, no, I'm going to turn right around and head back home. Okay? Just for the record. And we'll save why he did that on the second hour, just so that we don't bring that into the Matter of Theology.

They're going to have to come listen to Apologetics Live to hear why Anthony turned around.

That's right. But you know, with Chris not being here, we had to get two extra guys to cover for Chris. No, actually.

Actually, we got, you know, because we have another person. We actually brought in from the Rap Report podcast, Bud, because he's... So we have four people to replace Chris.

You know, when you got a guy like Chris that just has so much scriptural knowledge just right off the top of his head. I mean, I can't cover that.

Okay. So I need help. Your co-host Chris has Thomas Watson on the top of his head. That's about it. You know, that is about it.

Watson's the man. Yeah. You can't get Chris to stop talking about Thomas Watson. That is true.

Yeah. Don't get him started. So what we figured we'd do, because for Apologetics Live, and I should let folks know if they want to come in, just go to apologeticslive .com, apologeticslive .com. And if you click the little duck, that's the StreamYard link, and that gets you in with us to be able to join us for tonight.

Election Anxiety, False Prophecies, and the Hope Christians Place in Presidents

So with that, what we're going to look to do tonight, though, is we want to basically I hope this isn't a shock to anyone, Drew, but I think we had an election that a lot of Christians are like all worried about.

Yeah, we did.

It's the end of the world. Yeah. This was the one that we had so many of, you know, the Lord's anointed prophesy about this, and then that fell through. And they had to tell the right, right? Yeah. And then we had all this QAnon nonsense that was supposed to take place, and now neither one of them are trusted.

But yeah, people are flipping out about this election. You know, Trump isn't president anymore. What are we going to do? The world's going to melt down. America's going to crumble because Sleepy Joe is now in the White House.

And who knows, you know, before, you know, full dementia sets in and the 25th Amendment is invoked and then we're left with Kamala Harris.

Okay. But there's two concerns that I seriously have with Joe Biden being in the White House. One, it's a much bigger basement. It's going to take him longer to come out. And two, I hope that he has Secret Service with him because he's going to get lost.

Yeah. Like, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I could just see it now. Can someone find the president?

You can't find him. Yeah. Just let him draw himself a map with crayon.

Well, now, wait a minute. In reality, don't they have an elevator into the skiff down there? And it's like a padded elevator, I believe, so I think they should be okay.

Nice. I can't speak about that, but I do know someone that's been in the elevator. I'll just say that. So, I mean, look, there's a lot of Christians, I think, that are really, they put way too much hope in a president, in hoping that a president was going to make this country more moral, which is really what I think a lot of them were looking for.

I think that's called Post Mill, isn't it? Yeah.

And Drew is outnumbered here. Drew Post Mill? Sorry.

Maybe not really. No, hold on. I just believe that the Great Commission is going to be successful. So, if you want to call that Post Mill, we can call that Post Mill. I just believe in the victory of the gospel in the world.

So, carry on.

Yes, carry on. As long as it doesn't take seven dominions.

Yeah. Now, that I will speak against. I'm not about the seven mountain mandate and all that. Why not? Why not? It works so good.

Ted is saying, good afternoon from Sydney, Australia. God bless you, brothers, for your great work. Thank you. Thank you, Ted.

I'm glad I can bring the great work to this show.

He's a humble guy. I like this. And Drew, thanks for having me on. This is tremendous.

I already like it. No problem. This is the most humble show in podcast history. I'm writing a book called Humility, Be Like Me. There you go.

Perfect. Now, I found out the other day that somebody had said that one of the new ploys was to use the fake book background from Zoom or to just use a cover deal for your back. And so, what I did is I made sure that my background looked exactly like a prison.

You look like you're in a holding cell.

There's no doubt. So, Bud, you and I were recording earlier this week, actually Wednesday, yesterday with Phil Johnson. And he had a Zoom thing that he had where he had the background. It was looking like he was in prison.

I was trying to convince him to stay with that the whole time. Oh, that would have been good. But I'll let folks know, if you're watching on YouTube and you want to make sure we answer any of your questions, make sure we don't miss it, or just want to show your support, there is a Super Chat button.

So, if you click on the little dollar sign and click that, you can ask a question that donates to Striving for Eternity. And that's a nonprofit, so you can count it as a tax write-off. And that shows your support, and we will always read what those say.

So, Ted's asking, can we put in a pre-book order for that book? He wants a copy.

He wants to know how to be humble like Drew. Actually, we do have a question here. Okay.

For folks who do need to know, if you're on Facebook, on apologeticalive .com, there is instructions on how to get your name to show up so it doesn't say Facebook user. Because I doubt your parents named you Facebook and their last name was Drew, I'm just saying.

So, Anthony, you want to read the question there? Absolutely.

So, I have a question. Should churches consider church discipline for members who emphatically and consistently support wicked and godless policies, such as voting unapologetically for the Democratic Party?

I struggle with understanding how to reconcile such a position with a biblical worldview, so I'm curious as to how elders should handle this.

You know, that kind of goes in line with the statement that was made on one of Andrew's posts, where he actually dealt with this entire situation. And somebody had made the statement that Andrew was a devil worshiper or something along that lines, because he actually dealt with how Christians are supposed to respond in the situation of the president we have and whatnot.

And I think it kind of goes along with that. You know, there are a lot of people who don't know the politics, they don't know what's going on, and they don't understand it. You know, I've talked to many people today, you know, I just can't believe that, you know, Biden in 36 seconds, he signed 10 executive orders, and he took away the Keystone pipeline, and he opened abortion there, but we didn't know that was going to happen.

Well, if all the media you ever get is from the left-wing socialist media, the fake news, and things like that, you're not going to hear everything that's out there that's talking the truth. And you get pigeonholed into a narrative, and if that's all you ever hear, well, you think that everything that's, you know, pie and sliced bread when it comes to what they're doing, and so you're going to vote for it, if you don't know where to search, you don't want to listen.

Yeah, and that's for folks on, for Matter of Theology, that is Pastor Justin Pierce of Tennessee, regular here at Apologetic Live, but I, you know, I think, as I think about this, we've done a couple Apologetic Live shows on this, but I find it hard to believe that someone that professes the name of Christ could understand the Democratic Party and support it.

I agree. What if they don't understand? And that's where I was going there.

And that's the difference. I think, I think that's where you have grace. I mean, you have to understand that people are learning.

Yeah, yeah. Now, so what I would, how I would answer that question is, now I'm a post-Millway kind of person.

Yeah, if it's post Millway, you beat them until they submit.

That's right. That's right. Until faith gets infused in them.

Until it's put in all the infusion.

So, for the listeners, I'm not a pastor, but I am here with pastors. But you cosplay a pastor, right? Huh? But you cosplay a pastor. That's right. Just like Raphael Warnock. I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express at some time in my life.

But in talking about that, is that a church discipline issue? I wouldn't say that's necessarily a church discipline issue. I would say that's a discipleship issue. That's a part where a pastor or an elder needs to take this person aside and actually break down what the democratic platform is.

Because at its core, the democratic platform is nothing but the sins of Romans 1. So, if you've got a pastor that understands that, they need to take this person aside and they need to go through the sins of Romans 1 and explain how that relates to the democratic platform.

And then, so that they can see that. And that's more of a discipleship issue than I would say a church discipline issue. A church discipline issue is something that relates to more of a personal ongoing sin that refuses to be repented of.

Yes, this is almost close to, Bud, what we did on the Rap Report podcast when someone asked a question after we dealt with the subject of masks. And they were being told they'd be disciplined out of their church if they didn't wear a mask.

The church had a policy that you had to because they thought it was a law. So, I think there are a lot of things that people are abusing church discipline with.

Yes, I would agree. And I agree with what Drew has said. You want to show grace and you want to presume when you run into somebody like this that they need to be taught. Maybe they genuinely don't understand.

Now, once you go down that road of discipleship with them, you're going to find out pretty quickly, I think, whether or not they exhibit the very fundamental description of what a disciple is. Are they willing to learn and react and submit to what Scripture would clearly teach?

If they refuse to do that, then you might be migrating into a different area that could eventually lead to discipline. But from the outset, I think you approach it as a discipleship opportunity that someone needs to be taught.

Bud, it's good that you agreed with Drew on his program. I'll pay you later. Speaking of payment, Jeremy Howard threw five bucks our way. So, here's a question he gave a super chat. Is Michael Heisner's divine counsel teaching dangerous?

Any of you guys familiar with that? I'm not.

Bud, I'm counting on you. Are you? You know everything about everything. No, my default position is if it's somebody I don't know, they're dangerous.

Michael Heisner has blacked out views on creation, and so once I hear that, they're dangerous. Oh, there you go. What's his view on creation?

Very similar to Tyler Vila's. Ah, okay. So, he takes more of the polemical argument for Genesis, or at least Genesis 1 and 2. Well, I mean, that's what they want to call it. Let me just give folks what that is in case Jeremy or others don't know that.

So, when it comes to the first two chapters of Genesis, you have a couple of different views. You have some that will say that it's actually teaching an old earth view, and that the earth could be very old.

Some that will try to say that it's teaching evolution. Some that won't. You have the biblical position, which would be that it's clearly laying out a literal six-day creation and one day of rest, 24 rough hours of time.

And then you have the polemical or literary arguments, and what those are is they try to say that this is actually a polemic for the Jewish people against the Egyptians as they came out, and this is them giving a polemical argument.

So, for some people, I can't say it's for all people, but at least for some people, I think it's a way out of having to deal with whether a young or old earth. It's a way of just saying, I don't deal with the issue.

It's just a polemical argument. It's not trying to teach whether the earth is old or young. But Jeremy, I would have to get a hold of the book and read through it to be able to give you a better answer.

Sorry about that. But let's talk, Drew, about theology. That's kind of your podcast, Matter of Theology. So, in a matter of theology, how do we deal with some of the things that we're looking at in our culture as far as the way some Christians are viewing this whole election and now President Biden?

Yeah, well, I mean, you touched on it when we first started, and that's where people put all their trust and all their faith in the position of president rather than in the sovereign God and the Savior, Jesus Christ.

So when people look at whoever the president is, they start evaluating how things in the country are going to go. And then they base really their faith off of that. So they view America as the new Jerusalem, the Republican Party as the apostles, the Democrats as the Pharisees, and the president as the Savior.

So what they're really doing is they're viewing America. They're reading America into Scripture, and that's the wrong way to do it. America isn't the Savior. America is a nation that will rise and fall like any other.

But what we need to do as Christians is we need to say, OK, this is a man that's raised up by God. And we first need to understand that God raises up the leaders. He just uses the means of the vote for the people to raise up the leader.

God raised up Pharaoh, right? So He raises up the leaders in our nation, and He will raise good leaders to bless the nation, or He will raise wicked leaders to judge a nation. Now, what we as Christians need to do is go, no matter who is in the seat of president, God is on the throne, right?

Christ rules and reigns now, and we need to be serving Him, not the president. We need to be looking to Christ as the Savior, and that whoever is sitting in the position of president, God put them there for His glory.

And we need to serve God through that, whatever that may mean or whatever that may look like. So say we have something coming down that's on the horizon like the Equality Act. The Equality Act is really going to punish people for speaking out against things like homosexuality and transgenderism.

Well, what do we do as Christians? Well, we don't cower and we don't hide and we don't run, right? We don't go into our Christian ghettos where we feel safe. We actually say, no, we are going to stand on Scripture alone, and we're going to proclaim the truths of the gospel, regardless of what it costs.

Because that's how the church advances. The church has always advanced and done its greatest work when the time seemed the darkest. Look at the first century, the establishment of the church through the apostles going out and preaching the gospel.

There was mass persecution going on all over the place. Nero was taking Christians and burning them for his garden parties. So persecution going on all over the place, but the gospel spreading like wildfire.

You have the Reformation where we're reforming worship. We're breaking away from Rome and Christians are being persecuted. The gospel spreads. The Reformation went from Germany, it went to Switzerland, it went to France, it went to England, it went to Scotland.

It came all the way across the pond through the Puritans here to America. When it seems the darkest, that's when Christians should actually rejoice because now there's ample opportunities to evangelize and spread the gospel.

Now you don't have to go searching for them. You preach the gospel, they're coming to you. And now that's just more people to preach the gospel to. So how Christians should view everything that's going on right now is we should say, well, I'm going to rejoice because now these are more opportunities for me to evangelize and for me to stand upon the truth of God's word.

Doctrine, Relativism, and Why Teaching Divides and Unifies

Yeah, and I think that, you know, this may be a good question to bring in now because there's someone that's asking this question because this is really underlying a lot of what you're saying. Joe asked this question on Facebook.

Why are people indifferent to doctrine? I'm Reformed, but I have an SDA, which stands for Seven Day Adventist. SDA pastor, friend who I disagree with, is not big on doctrine, which is troubling. So let me first, before you jump on that, Drew, I'll just put it this way.

I think part of what the reason SDA pastor isn't going to be interested in theology is because they have no theology. And that might be why is their focus isn't so much on the theology as much as it is on other things.

But he brings up a good point. Just so it's up there. Why are people indifferent? So let me first kick this off to Drew. And then I want to ask Anthony, Dr. Silvestro, what he thinks on that as well. So, Drew, why do you think people are indifferent toward theology?

Yeah, people are indifferent to doctrine because people don't like for their view or their specific doctrinal teaching to be viewed as wrong. Right. That's why, you know, today there's many Christians believe or professing Christians that we can talk to.

And we'll say, well, that's how you view it. That's how you view that. And we've we've we've come into this place of relativism. Well, if if relativism is true, then you can't know anything because there's no standard by which to measure anything.

So people don't like discussing doctrine or their indifference to doctrine because they don't want to actually have to examine what it is they believe. Doctrine divides.

That's right. Thank God. You know, well, actually, you bring that up and there's a there's an interesting thing about doctrine. It does divide, but it also unifies. And people will always sit there and say, well, I posted the quote that we that we'll have on on the Rap Report podcast that drops on Sunday.

I was asking Phil Johnson, you know, what do we how do we deal with these times that we're looking at right now? And there's a lot of Christians are concerned. And he goes, well, I'm not a pessimist. I'm a Calvinist, which I thought was a great one.

You know, it's not covered. And I had someone that responded going, why can't we all just put these doctrine things on like on the side? Like, it's just not that important. And my response was, is that your doctrine?

Yeah, right. And he doesn't even realize he's trying to teach me something about how I should treat doctrine, ignoring the fact that he's doing a doctrine. So he then he then was like, you know, he's like, are you just looking to have an argument?

I said, no, I'm trying to show you have failed argument. He goes, I'm not trying to make an argument. I said, OK, so you don't understand what doctrine is, nor do you understand what an argument is.

Yeah. Yeah. Doctrine just means teaching. Right. So people talk about, oh, you're just indoctrinating people. Well, either I'm indoctrinating them or you're indoctrinating. One of us is.

Yeah, one of us is. Yeah. But let's look, we got five of us here. OK, we obviously all don't agree on our doctrine. I mean, four of us have a proper view of end times.

And yeah, I was actually going to point that out myself. I thought it was spectacular. All that all that stuff that Drew was just, I mean, just the vitriol and just the power and that we're going to win.

And I saw this I saw this thing where these guys are saying, saying that the dispensational, you're the escape escape artist. And I understand why people say that. I do, because actually the church I grew up in, they would always teach, you know, it's going to get bad, it's going to get bad.

But don't worry, before anything bad happens, Jesus comes and takes you home. And I and I said for the longest time, I was like, man, I'm just so ready for that. I'm just so ready for that. Just, you know, Lord, take me home.

Nothing bad is ever going to happen to me. And then I did something that made everybody mad. I read the Bible. And when I read the Bible, I know when I read the Bible, I what what causes the letters, though, just the red letters, just read.

But actually, what I did is I read the Bible and it actually informed me that, no, we're not going to our own personal fight and our own personal jihad and our Christian jihad or whatever. We're not going to run in and take over.

We're not going to take dominion. We're not the ones going to be doing this. It is God himself that's going to do it. And Christ himself is going to do that for his own glory and by his own power. Actually, he tells us when he's going to return, what it's going to be like.

He says, for as it is in the days of Noah and the time of Lot, that's the way it will be when the Son of Man returns. And I haven't I don't know about you guys, but I haven't seen any demons running around yet.

You know, I mean, I know we've probably seen some demon possessed people, but not like what we're talking about with, you know, Lot and Noah and the things that are going on with that. The we haven't seen that level of, you know, national worldwide depravity to that point yet.

And it's going to get worse.

But here's the thing. I want to point this out, though. So we see we have five of us here that don't all agree theologically. And yet what does our doctrine do? It doesn't divide us. It's actually unifying us, because even though we have our differences, we know where those differences are.

The core issue of how we come to Christ, we have the same. That's unity. That doctrine gives us unity, even though we have some differing views.

Now, if I can speak into that a little bit, some of the best and most edifying conversations you can have are with believers who hold to a slightly different doctrine than you, you know, kind of like we do.

Because what does that do? It drives us to the scriptures and it takes us into deep dives into the scriptures so that now it's not our discussion isn't really about, you know, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong.

And I just beat you over the head back and forth. Now our discussion goes, let's go to the scriptures and let's unfold the scriptures. So we're so now we're all being edified just by diving into the scriptures.

That's that's incredible. That's I totally agree. And as soon as you repent of that position, you're all going to be in perfect.

And, you know, I wanted to I did say I wanted Dr. Sylvester to answer that. So, Dr. Sylvester. Oh, look, an empty chair. He's probably gone off to repent. Look, repent of his. You know, it reminds me of the debate that I had with the black originally.

And I debated an empty chair because no one would show. Oh, come on, Mike. For those who don't get the joke of either of those. So I had a bunch of black people as well. It's a challenge to debate me.

But every time we'd set that up, they would disappear. They wouldn't show up. So we finally set up a debate. And I just said, well, I'm going to do it anyway. And the moderator introduced me. I did my opening.

He goes, I'm going to let the black people introduce himself. And we put up an empty chair. And so I actually debated an empty chair. And we had someone come on to this show a couple of weeks ago on Apologetics Live, and he wanted to debate me.

And yeah, he never came in. He just sat in the private chat, calling me Mike the whole time. My name says Andrew, like right down there.

How successful were you with the empty chair? I didn't see that.

So did it go well? He gave a really good argument, but it was a little empty in the end. I got you. Okay. Oh, look, Dr. Silvestro is back. So now that we're done making fun of Dr. Silvestro, maybe he can answer the question and stop being such an empty suit.

Oh, wow. Oh, man. He'll repent later. Yeah. Why do you think doctrine is so important? I'm asking you because you just last night did a whole talk about the issues of our social system and things we see in responding to social justice.

Is theology important in these matters? Well, you have to unmute yourself.

He's a professional at this, folks. Here's the issue is what is our standard of truth, right? Anytime we decide anything or we think about anything, I should say, we have to go back to what the ultimate standard is.

And as Christians, our ultimate standard is always the Bible. And so when we talk about doctrinal issues, so this could be among the Christian cults out there versus what we would in general believe about the gospel, or we talk about the issues of last night, social justice, and going through why is homosexuality wrong?

Why is transgenderism wrong? Why are so many of these social issues wrong? Well, the standard is not our personal opinions. Our standard isn't laws of society or what government says. Our standard has to go back to Almighty God.

So that was the context last night in working through social issues and how we teach people to use the Bible as their source of truth. Having said that, let's go back to the question regarding Seventh-day Venice.

Here's my biggest problem. It's a cult. Amen. And unfortunately, way too many Christians don't know that or don't understand that. And I run into this issue all the time with my pet peeve, Roman Catholicism.

So invariably, almost everywhere I speak, when it's not in a specific church, like a Baptist church, almost anywhere I speak, like what I've been doing the last couple of Wednesday nights in this large gathering, there's always Catholics in the crowd because they've been welcomed by other Christians who think that they're brothers and sisters in Christ.

The Catholics tell you that they are brothers and sisters in Christ. And so nobody thinks to look at the doctrine, look at the issues, look at what the gospel is according to the Bible and what the false gospel is according to Roman Catholicism.

Well, we see the same thing with Mormons. We see the same thing with Jehovah's Witnesses. We see the same thing with Seventh-day Venice. They're just really, really sneaky about it. And so that's my first issue is Christians need to start waking up to these cults that are out there, and they need to see, they need to understand what the gospel is, how to defend the gospel, and then understand how to talk to these other Christian or to these Christian cults.

And I'm seeing Cluck Commander that rather than playing with chickens tonight, he has got a pretty interesting book. And I should probably tell a story about this book because, Andrew, you know about this, but you don't know about the update.

So last week I spoke with this large group, and I did a talk called Morality, Rights, and the Proper Role of Government. And so when we want to understand how do we properly interpret Romans 13, 1 Peter 2, we have to go back to why did God establish government in the first place?

God established government as a way to protect our rights. And where do rights come from? Well, they're tied to God's morality. And where does morality come from? Well, they're tied to God. So it's a really interesting chain to talk through.

Having said that, I get done with my talk. I advertise my book and Andrew's two books. And I had somebody come up to me. After the live Q &A, people just come up to you and ask you questions. And so one female kind of waited to the end, and she comes up to me, and she says, hey, I got a question for you.

How do you know that everything in this book is true? And I said, well, you know, my ministry partner, he spent, thank you, thank you, Laura. He spent 12 years. Fourteen. Fourteen. Short, sorry. So he spent 12 years, really it was 14, studying the doctrines of these cults.

And he took what he learned, went to leaders of those cults to say, hey, am I representing your religions right? And every one of them signed off on it, and Andrew published it in his book. So I explained this to her, and she says, well, you know, I think there's a couple of errors.

And I said, well, where? And she goes, well, in this section on LDS. I said, interesting. What do you think's wrong? And she started to talk. And then I said, by the way, are you LDS? And she was. So I had an opportunity to witness to her now for about 15 minutes.

Mind you, she's at this group that is largely Christians and patriots. But they get Catholics in there. They get apparently a Mormon in there and a few others. So she was there. She asked me those questions.

I witnessed to her hardcore for 15 minutes, told her it's a cult, told her all kinds of stuff that she needs to get right with God, and she needs to repent and put her trust in the real Jesus. And she ended up leaving after that.

And that was fine. We parted on good terms. So I go speak at the same group last night, and the event organizer comes up to me and says, hey, you know, you asked me about this girl, Nicole. And she says, I don't know who she was.

I don't know where she came from. But last night, my friend said, hey, did you meet my friend, Nicole, who is there? Because she talked to your speaker about her religion, Mormonism. And thank you so much, with the time you spent with her, that she's now really questioning what her beliefs are.

All right. Well, that's great. So I said, praise God for that. I said, hey, if my phone number, my wife's phone number, we'd be happy to meet her for coffee, whatever we have to do. But it's a wonderful, wonderful.

Let's see. And here's the thing is that we have to be willing to have these conversations, these hard conversations with people. It is way too easy for us to say, oh, well, say you believe Christ. Okay, cool.

You must be good. You must be that one Catholic that is okay. You must be that one Mormon that seems okay. And it's not.

Well, especially now. Hey, listen, we got a question that came in. Matt Slick from karm .org says, what's the topic? We were going to talk about Matt Slick and all the bad theology. We were talking doctrine and how it causes division.

And that's Matt Slick, right? Yeah. Of course, now he's and look, he even says, he says, ah, sounds good. Very worthwhile topics. That is a great example of just grabbing two that is called proof texting, right there, folks.

I grabbed two totally different comments out of context and slammed them together. I'm going to hear that from Matt tomorrow. So the thing, though, I think as we look at the election and, by the way, Anthony, that's cool that I got to hear the follow-up to that.

Yeah, you didn't know that yet. I'm waiting to hear the rest of the follow-up. But here's the thing. We have a lot of people that I think have invested way too much time James Watkins, flying demon babies is a topic.

For folks who don't know, flying demon babies, they're going to have to go to Netflix and look at Nephilim and then listen to Pastor Frank Mollison to get that inside joke.