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And welcome to the dividing line on a special Monday program we are moving the schedule around a little bit

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I fly out on Friday for New Jersey and New York we have put that information on the website and I hope some of you are making plans to come out and say hello and hopefully some of the subjects that we'll be addressing will be of Interest to you.

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Let me see if I can Where did it go

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Maybe it's at the bottom of the blog. It's at the bottom blog page that where that is

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It's great to be able to say well, okay, so so how this works Folks need to know if you go to the bottom of the blog page

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You're gonna see a calendar down there click over to the very bottom of the blog page wait There's nothing there the very bottom of the blog page, yeah,

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I'm at the very calendar and it says October right now No, not on my end and In that interesting there is no calendar on mine whatsoever

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See his scene was talking about yeah, it's there's nothing there updating WordPress and how

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He wanted to make sure it didn't break something. There's a there's no just do it. There's a word that says schedule and Then blow it's blank nothing there.

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Yes. Well, apparently he just took my advice and did it. Uh -huh. Uh -huh Alright, but then there's an article a few pages back click older posts

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Yeah, it would have been good to have done this before we went on Yeah Breaks.

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No, there we go. And I don't click one more time And I'll see another older post

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James White's New York and New Jersey schedule October 15th is the date that that is on.

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There you go Okay, there you go. Click in there and you can see where you're gonna make it. What's gonna be doing much and Probably by the end of the day.

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We will have the calendar back which was supposed to be there and didn't know it disappeared anyways

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For everybody back in Jersey and New York starts off at Trinity Fellowship Church Saturday night in Tom's River Bend I think this would be my

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Third, you know Trinity Trinity Fellowship Church is one of the very few churches

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That my wife has actually been to with me I don't remember why that worked out that time, but I do remember that and it was a long time ago.

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We've been we've been stopping by Trinity Fellowship Church for Probably coming up on two decades now somewhere around there

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Um We will be looking at the

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Homosexual issues salt and light in the decay and darkness of Western culture using homosexual issue as a means of gospel proclamation

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That'll be 7 p .m. Trinity Fellowship Church in Tom's River for those of you who are

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Conflicted as to whether you want to be watching this program right now or the ERLC Meetings that Al Mohler kicked off today

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See it'll be relevance. So there you go. That'll be at 7 o 'clock on Saturday evening

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Sunday I'll be at Christian Fellowship Church in North Brunswick New Jersey 930 a .m.

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Proclaiming the gospel in the mosque and 11 a .m. Truth immersion

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Deuteronomy 11 18 through 21 examined. I better Review my notes. Um, and then

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Sunday evening I'll be driving from New Jersey to New York And I will be at Grace Reformed Baptist Church in Merrick hopefully at some point

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During that day, I will get to have a slice of Wonderful New York style pepperoni pizza at that awesome pizza place

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Within walking distance just down Smith Street and then on to I think it's Merrick One of my favorite pizza places in it's in Merrick on Long Island so much oil

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On that pizza that some people just dab it off I just figure

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I'm gonna eat the whole thing because I consider that my my oil change For the next few years, it'll lubricate the joints and everything.

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It's great. I love it Hmm So that'll be Sunday night 6 p .m.

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Grace Form Baptist Church in in Merrick dates doctrines dead people lessons in church history

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That's gonna be a real short version of what we did up in up in Boulder for those of you interested in in that Monday night,

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November 3rd Cornerstone Christian Church in Hicksville, New York the biblical role of pastors

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If I recall correctly if I recall correctly the same pastor here I could be wrong about this I think the same pastor here had me do one of the few sermons

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I've ever done on church membership a Number of years ago. I think I'm right about that.

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I remember what the place looked like May not be the same place. But anyways then on Tuesday and Wednesday The the crazy people at Hope Reform Baptist Church had me for two days

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We Have proclaim the gospel in the mosque and homosexuality is professing Christian defenders similar topics

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But we had in New Jersey figuring that not too many people would be traveling that far and Thursday, November 6 7 p .m

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Word of Truth Church in Farmingville, New York King James only controversy reliability of modern translations

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Saturday I will be back at New Hyde Park Baptist Church and 7 p .m.

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We have the Muslim debate with Shadid Lewis on Is Jesus Christ God Almighty which I did that screen flow video on just recently haven't heard back from Shadid on that Then we're gonna do our new test of reliability presentation and be speaking in the

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Sunday morning service and Sunday night Yeah, Sunday night

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North Shore Baptist Church, it's been a while brother The one pastor who almost single -handedly kept me from ever coming back to New York again

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By dragging me into Little Italy late late on the night that I arrived in New York.

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This is my second trip out and Let's just say this pastor can do an incredible impersonation of Elvis That's that's all

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I can say that I think that would be that as far as I could as I could go at this at this point, but I've got some buck.

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Do you remember it does North Shore Baptist Church ring a bells for you? Got something that's making me try to sneeze in here.

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I'm sorry It looks like I'm playing my nose, but it's like there's something trying to make me sneeze. Um How about the the brother

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Barker debate see I Wasn't long for that. Well, I know but you've heard the brother

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Barker. Yes. I've heard the brother Barker debate That was there and the one with the Church of Christ guy. It's in fact of the brother the brother the brother

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Barker debate is the only mp3 recording that we've ever sold someone who

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Want their money back. They want the money back Because he's like you call this a debate

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This is embarrassing that was his words not mine Yeah, that was right there at North Shore So I'll be wrapping up.

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I just hope you know, I really feel badly about this But a number of years ago, you'll have to ask

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Ed more about this, but a number of years ago By the time I got to North Shore. I was so sick

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I don't I'm in a lot better shape than I was back then So hopefully I'll be able to fight everything off, but I was so sick

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I tried to preach and I literally couldn't I was coughing so badly.

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That's the first time it's ever happened I've always been able to you know, take enough cough medicine to sort of you know It was it was bad.

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So hopefully we won't have a repeat of that, but that's what's coming up Gone as long as I was in South Africa well, of course the travels a little bit more but So New Jersey, New York all put together by the great one

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Chris Arnzen so if I get lost always blame Chris, he's always good to blame for something and He's probably watching right now going out great.

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Yeah It's yeah, he was laughing at the Ed more stuff too. I can assure you.

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All right, let's get into it only To my brother down in in South Africa.

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I only did nine minutes Did not the first full ten minutes only nine minutes of stuff there at the at the beginning we need to let people know what's going on and And Nick over in Ukraine.

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I don't know where Nick is. He's he's he's watching But you know, he and Greg travel so much they spend half their time in the u .s

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He's got to get a green card or something I'm not sure where he is right now whether he's back in Ukraine or just with all

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I can say it Nick is you better Be back in Ukraine in a few weeks when I get there Nick is my my dear brother in the

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Lord and the best translator God has placed on the green earth

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He's when I've told the story about when I first taught Textual criticism there in Berlin Spent eight hours a day sitting in this in this room

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Listening to me translating live into Russian Of a pretty tough topic and I'm just like I was brain -dead by the end of the day

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I can't imagine what it's like to listen to someone else and be translating them live that amount of time and he did it for days and Some of you may have seen the video.

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I posted when I was preaching at the church there and the It's on the blog somewhere.

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Yeah young man staying next to me translating everything. That's that's Nick and Looking forward to seeing him.

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He's just one of those guys there's certain guys out there in the world Rudolph and Nick and and David and and you just you land that it's like This bump.

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How's it going? you know, it's just you just pick up where you left off and it's just just just how it is and But of course things are a little different in Kiev than it were last time.

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I was there. So We will we will see what happens with with all of that I'm announced on Twitter that I was going to Respond to a video that appeared from HuffPo Huffington Post in regards to the

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Hillsong Controversy you may recall that last week at some point Brian Houston the head of all of Hillsong that comes out of Australia basically gave a real wimpy response when it came to the subject of homosexuality and then

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Put out a statement afterwards. Why affirm everything Paul said? Well, you know what Matthew Vines would say he affirms everything

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Paul said so that doesn't actually Answer the question. It doesn't really address the issue directly, unfortunately and So Carl Lentz who is the pastor of the

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Hillsong Church in New York City has been a little bit more direct in what he has to say and I wanted to address this simply because I've Said Oh great

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Nick says I'm in Ukraine looks like it's gonna get the weather right for you this year.

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Now. What does that mean? I'm a little scared by that Get the weather right for you this year as in it's gonna be real nice so I can run in the mornings and Get chased by the lovely guard dog

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Yeah, I was gonna say that probably means make sure that the guard dog has been corralled before you go out and run maybe maybe or Does is he saying looks like we're gonna be you know socked with?

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Snow and you're gonna you're gonna be in a great holiday spirit when you get home because you'll have had your white

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December or something. I I will be keeping an eye on Brother Nick's response to this.

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Hopefully he'll hear this and go No, no, it's going to be wonderful Because remember

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Nick I challenged you back in February. I said, let's run. Let's run, man

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You're you're young and you're the same age to my as my son. So You can't let the the old the old codger outrun you

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I'm gonna be doing some running while I'm there so I'm bringing the shoes and I Hopefully hopefully he won't be shoveling

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Shoveling snow the way so we can run around the school there. That would be inappropriate Unless it would keep the dog away from chasing me, which then would be okay.

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All right Just bring those warm shoes you haven't worn since last

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December great Lovely wonderful. So dress warm.

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I think is what he's what he's saying Warm shoes, what is he?

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I guess I you know what I did. I did bring a pair of shoes that had like Thermal light in them.

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That's right. I had shoes the thermal light in them and they were they were just frying my feet So I guess what he's saying is yeah get get ready for some

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Cold cold weather. Well, I guess that does happen in Ukraine once in a while. Anyway, Carl Lentz Huffpo the subject of Homosexuality and a number of other things basically this is an issue of What the responsibility of a pastor is?

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and I'm not gonna sit here and do the you need to wear a bowtie thing.

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I Don't think every pastor has to wear a bowtie. I I Did notice that the the video that I saw briefly

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Of the conference going on today that Dr. Moller was not wearing a tie and I I've only once I think been a situation where someone said please just don't wear a tie and I was just sort of like okay, whatever but What Well, okay that was different any any place called the grind would not allow you to have a tie obviously and So I'm not

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I'm not I'm not talking about that. I'm not I'm not talking about That kind of thing

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I'm not talking about what he's you know, he's wearing a beanie and You know, it looks like when he's preaching, you know, he's he's got a lot of ink

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White out right out there in the open don't care that's between him Lord and unless he's trying to just look really cool, and then

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I've got a problem with it, but All that kind of stuff that that's that's not that's not what

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I'm talking about One more distraction

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Yeah, did you see it mr. Pierce might be right and we'll be reenacting the scene from Rocky. Oh I know which way

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Rocky. Well, this one would actually fit real well being in Ukraine because this was

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Rocky four and he's in the Snow, you know doing that, you know, that's all great.

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Wonderful. Well There's a you know, Nick. There's a pretty long hallway.

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I Think if we just you know did that one hallway, you know, we have to jump over that one threshold next to the library

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But other than that Maybe the stairs up to the classrooms, you know, we could and I don't know we'll figure something out.

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I Gotta do something I actually found a rower for me in Berlin. So I'll be able to at least get some rowing then

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So yeah get back to work. Yeah, I know I know they're in the chat room over here trying to figure out when you how long it'll take for somebody on Twitter to distract

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You and I saw that. Yeah, yeah, I'm going when did he get on track? It's hey, it's a live program and I am now that I am now the the normals

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Facebook Twitter Social media guy you it's your fault You're the one who wanted me on on all the social media.

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And so now I have the attention span of a flea so it's Yeah, I'm just like but but now

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I can communicate better with Americans because we all have the attention Hey, I haven't had to kick you off at any of the pages yet.

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So you're doing okay so far Yeah, that'll come up a little bit later, but someone I did block but anyway

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Let's get back to things here. This isn't about All that it's not about Whether you've got guitars on the stage or things like that.

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It really isn't What concerned me about this interview was what was being said and how it was being said and what it would mean and I Just cannot help but remember what

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Paul said In acts 2024 These are

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These are weighty weighty words. They really are Remember remember the context in Acts chapter 20

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Paul has sent for the elders at Ephesus to come to him at Miletus. He's on his way to Jerusalem Those elders are men that he had invested a tremendous amount of time in Preparing them.

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I mean that the planning that church there at Ephesus was key to his entire evangelization scheme for Asia Minor They're obviously men in whom he had invested his life.

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And so he calls them to himself and saw What what you say in a situation where you figure

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I'm never gonna see you again because that's what he tells him I'm never gonna see you again What you say in a situation like that obviously reflects your heart

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Listen these words in Acts 2024 But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself so that I may finish my course and The ministry which

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I received from the Lord Jesus to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God That's what he was called to do he was given a ministry to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God now,

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I believe That you can testify Solemnly of the gospel the grace of God in every language in every culture

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There is something I think to the term solemnly I don't think that means necessarily

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Sadly, it doesn't mean in a depressed fashion

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But it does mean to recognize The weight of The calling that is yours and the nature of the message with which you have been entrusted

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You know, we have fun on this program We we we do humor and things like that just because that's the way

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I normally am people are surprised by that but my family isn't

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But when it comes to the proclamation of the gospel if you've watched

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Many of the debates and as we've played just what happened in South Africa recently and my understanding is the videos are already on their

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Way, that's what Yusuf Ismail said and I appreciate that you're gonna see I think a certain solemnity a

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Gravitas a recognition of the weight of the subject in the

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Presentation of the gospel it deserves to be treated in a certain way and that overrides everything else and He tells them

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I'm no longer going to see any of you and then he says this therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men for I Did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God There it is

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There it is when I stand before the judgment seat, I think

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My Lord who gave me the opportunities he's given to me is going to ask me.

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Did you shrink back? From declaring the whole counsel of God Now, why would anybody do that?

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Well Fear of the face of men if there is anything in the counsel of God that you shrink back from I suggest you it's because you love something other than The truth of God more than the whole counsel of God.

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I Don't I don't get to determine what the parameters of The whole counsel of God is only he gets to do that he's done that in Scripture He's given that to us it is inspired word.

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I I don't get to edit that I don't get to say well You know this stuff over here. Well, I don't know, you know,

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I you know And right now what we're facing in Western culture is the culture saying to us you will not proclaim the whole counsel of God and the if a church is built upon Bringing as many people in as possible who are unbelievers to engage in Gradualism to slowly maybe move them a little bit closer to the gospel

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They're not gonna be able to proclaim the whole counsel of God the Apostles never did that the Apostles never engaged in gradualism and when quote -unquote non

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Roman Catholics engage in gradualism because gradualism is a part of Roman Catholic theology and practice and that's that's

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Rome's thing That's why she can engage in all the idolatry she engages in But if you're not a

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Roman Catholic and you engage in gradualism this idea of you know Let's just move people a little bit closer a little bit closer a little bit closer

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Rather than calling for that complete break from false worship and the embracing of the true

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God You're you're borrowing from Rome at that point and These large mega churches

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It was funny a fellow that I'm gonna talk about a little later on just briefly a fresh word org on Twitter I asked him who he was and he hasn't answered yet and Maybe it's just because it you know his job hasn't a lot of I don't know but I asked him

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He was up pretty late. So maybe his job keeps him doing that but I it was it was it was funny

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He Said to me and I didn't even see this one until right before the program because I had blocked him by now But I've unblocked him to try to communicate with him again.

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So that big church in Phoenix isn't a social club and political base Yeah PR BC Evidently evidently thinks

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I go to a big church in Phoenix and with all of 50

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We might we might be up to 60 members now getting close getting close That's that's that's big one.

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That's who somebody on Facebook referred to some prominent member Yeah, prominent member, whatever that was.

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I Don't I have no idea anyway these big mega churches that are bringing these thousands of people and they they've adopted a

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Theology of the church that I just don't find to be biblical at all They've adopted a theology of church that is not biblical the the church the church is the body of Christ and It is a place of worship and proclamation of the truth and That's its focus when the church meets

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The evangelism is to take place when we are out in the world Doing what we do and what

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God's called us to do in the world and Turning the primary worship of the church into an evangelistic outreach is one of the biggest problems that the

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American Church has developed because now you got to change everything and the result is the starvation of the sheep and all sorts of all sorts of things and all sorts of Manipulation of emotions and filling the pews with unbelievers and and all the rest that kind of stuff

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Here's the here's the point. I believe that anyone who

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Takes the role of an elder in a church. And of course, I believe biblically elder bishop pastor

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It's all the same thing. I think there are different Roles because of there's there's a plurality of elders

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But they're all the same office They we have the two examples In Titus and Timothy of the qualifications for the elder the bishop the overseer.

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It's all the same thing Anyone Who takes that role in the

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Church of Christ will be judged by the biblical standards not by Not by the standards of well, you know in the day

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I lived this was what was considered successful Christ is not going to care about that. Christ is not going to you know, it's one thing to say

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Judge people who lived a certain time by the standards that existed at that time. That's one thing. We look into church history

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We're talking about standing before the judge of seat of Christ and he has given us his word and that is the standard and it doesn't matter whether society loves that word and Honors that word or hates that word and has made it illegal

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We will be judged by what is in that word and The most fearful thing

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I can imagine is having taken that position and Then Christ from his throne demonstrates that you you shrank back

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And as a result you are not innocent of the blood of all men You are guilty of the blood of certain men because you shrank back from declaring the whole

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Council of God and the whole council of God includes the gospel which includes the definition of sin

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Which includes the centrality of God's holy nature revealed in his law Which includes the Creator's right to determine what is and what is not appropriate sexual behavior for mankind

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It also includes the very definition of marriage itself. No matter what a bunch of wild -eyed secularists

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Determine about that issue and so with all of that in in the background

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Sorry for the free sermon And by the way, I'm in the I'm back in the

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Holiness Code this past Sunday Just posted the links to sermon audio for those of you who like to see it This is a four minute 16 second clip.

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Let's watch the whole thing to get the flow the idea And then

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I'll go back through it a little bit more slowly Be patient with each person what

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I didn't even know that was in there That's annoying Everybody I'm gonna check some commentary to make sure that's it doesn't mean everybody

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Be attentive to individual needs. That's interesting. Isn't that cool? That's why some churches want us to give blanket answers on huge issues

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Well, my Bible says be attentive to individual needs So I'm not gonna make polarizing political statements about certain things in our

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Christian community right now No matter who says what we won't be pressured into giving blanket statements to individual needs never

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Never Speaking of diversity, you know, New York City one thing that is polarizing to some communities, especially within religion is homosexuality and the debate around it

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I mean, how do you balance those two things? I mean are people of all sexual orientations welcome and and how do you see that?

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Absolutely I think what I was referring to there was you know Some people will be like you need to make that you need to answer our questions about the homosexuality issue

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And I always say I do you just don't like my answers and here's exactly what I mean by that some media wants us to use our pulpit to Have a soapbox for social issues.

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I don't believe that's our job I don't believe Jesus did that you go look at what Jesus did He was always talking about the heart of an individual and the soul of a person not these symptomatic

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Societal problems and people hate that because a lot of churches are about what they're against We're about what we're for and when it comes to people's sexuality

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I don't want to use a public forum to talk about private things because how in the world can you have a dialogue?

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How in the world can I hear your story? How in the world can someone have a question? So if I if I stand up in a pulpit and I just start railing at something or make a statement in a newspaper about Something I believe it's insensitive to the journey that people are walking on and our church is gonna protect people

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No matter where you're from. No matter what you carry no matter what kind of Orientation you feel like is your

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You know lane of life to run in, you know, I want to have a conversation about it. We have a stance on love

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Yeah, and we have conversations about everything else well I mean I love that and that makes sense to me because when you say, you know

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You have a stance on love and you're talking about hearts and souls. I often see you know what people want to focus on homosexuality and the gay marriage issue and whether they should be allowed to get married and A lot of homosexual couples are looking around saying

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I just love this person with all my heart and soul So I'm looking for some support. Yeah, do you feel like it's you're not in a position to give them support on that issue?

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Or do you feel like it's just not your lane? It's I don't it's not my job to be people's judge and jury

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If I sat down with a homosexual couple and they asked me what I thought about their relationship

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I would tell them and it would be at their table and it would be our business But their situation is different to the next situation and often people get these two words mixed up Acceptance and approval like I don't necessarily if someone comes in my church

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I don't have to approve of every single thing in their life because that's not my job I'm not God But my job is to accept you as I have been accepted with everything in my life

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God accepted me So acceptance and approval we draw a really cool line in there because it's like look I'm not gonna tell you

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There's a lot of people who will come into our church leave and go. No, thanks. I don't want to change I don't want to live.

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I don't want to believe that and I say good for you. That's your job You have to answer to God for your life. Not me. Yeah, so why is this on me?

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So people are like, what do you think about homosexuality? I'm like, I love my wife. I'm married. Yes good wrong guy But that's just to be funny, but I do believe it's such a sensitive issue.

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I have gay friends I have people that I love that are right in the thick of that kind of debate, right and I just refuse to Ostracize people any longer.

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I hate it I think that there's been so much hate and so much bigotry and so much insensitivity that I'm done with that.

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And so the people who criticize us for it. Yeah, I like making those people mad Yeah, cuz I hear you they are who they are

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And I think if we focus on love it'll all fix itself out if all people just focus on love I at least that's my personal belief.

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I do want to know before you go. Yeah before you Jesus said to do two things He said love the

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Lord your God with all your heart all your soul all your mind and then he said number two Love your neighbor Okay, there you go

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You know, there is there's a tremendous opportunity to Speak with clarity

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To give a gospel witness And I just have to wonder anybody watching that what were they left with What what was what was communicated to them?

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there was some conversation about the difference between acceptance and approval and You know, what's what is the what is the

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Function of Hillsong Church in New York City to protect people where they are

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Yeah, I remember Paul talking to the Ephesian elders about that no, actually I don't

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There just seems to be such a massive disconnection between what we were just looking at an axe or You know, we could sit here and read first and second

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Timothy Titus we can read through Ephesians and Colossians And and you're just left going.

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Yeah but let's Let's start with something else Some of you already noticed it but did you notice the the text on the screen, let's let's go back to it and Notice something be patient with each person what

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I didn't even know that was in there That's annoying Everybody I'm gonna check some commentary to make sure that's it doesn't mean everybody

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Be attentive to individual needs. That's interesting. Isn't that cool? That's what now let's just stop right there

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There's first Thessalonians 514 MSG That's the message

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The message is not even a translation of the Bible it is a paraphrase of the

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Bible and He's gonna make his entire point on that last little brief sentence at the end of first Thessalonians 5 14 let's um, let's look at first Thessalonians 514 and I'll just read it to you a new

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American Standard We urge you brethren admonish the unruly encourage the faint -hearted help the weak be patient with everyone

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The last phrase macro through my tap Ross Pantas be patient toward all

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I can see be patient with each person there. That's um Yeah, I'm just looking for the attentive to individual needs part.

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I'm looking at the Greek here and There's a period after Pantos and then you got to her at a mate is kakan on to that's the next verse

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See that she don't you know return evil for evil. Um Wow, where'd that come from?

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Well, that's the problem paraphrases It doesn't have to come from anywhere it can just be what the author was feeling that day and That's why

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I think the vast majority of paraphrases are a complete insult to trees they're worthless and If you're using them as your base text to make your theological points, which is what he's doing out of absolute thin air

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There is nothing in the text about attentive to individual needs.

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It's not there It's it's made up. It's It's Joseph Smith type stuff

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But it does become the basis of what said Churches want us to give blanket answers on huge issues

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Well, my Bible says be attentive to individual needs So I'm not gonna make polarizing political statements about certain things in our

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Christian community right now No matter who says what we won't be pressured into giving blanket statements to individual needs never

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Yeah, so there you go you take a paraphrased phrase

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No basis in the Greek whatsoever Paul didn't write it it ain't scripture and Yet you use that as the foundation for saying

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Yeah, you know, we know We know that right now.

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This is the key issue. We know right now. There is a moral revolution going on in our society

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It's a moral revolution that strikes directly Directly at the teachings of Jesus Christ directly the teachings of the

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Bible But we're not gonna take a stand we're not gonna we you know, we're

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We're gonna we're gonna go with the flow here and It's because we're attentive to individual needs

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Which is in our Bible, but was made up by some guy just a few years ago. So there you go

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Um That's the problem. I Tell you

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I break out in hives every time I see any preacher any preacher preaching from a paraphrase.

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I just It's your job to take the actual text and explain it to the people

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Okay, that's your job That's what you've been called to do So if you start with the pablum, what do you?

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Where do you go from there? How do you simplify the pablum? I? Left stuttering at that particular

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Point in time. All right, so the entire biblical basis in the clip they played non -existent based upon the imagination of the author of the message and we we press on with Never Speaking of diversity, you know,

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New York City one thing that is polarizing to some communities, especially within religion is homosexuality and the debate around it

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I mean, how do you balance those two things? I mean our people of all sexual orientations welcome and how do you see that?

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Absolutely I think what I was referring to there was you know Some people will be like you need to make that you need to answer our questions about the homosexuality issue.

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And I is that not What is going on right now in our society

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Is the scripture really unclear on this matter? It really is not I Mean one of the things we've we've got to do it.

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I've just been there's just only so many hours in the day and But we have got

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To And I'm just trying to think about when I Mean I'm just about to go to New York, New Jersey I'm only back a few weeks before Kiev and and Berlin only a few weeks during the holidays before Norway and and Atlanta I I just but despite all that I've got to find some way of doing an

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In -depth on this program won't be overly popular with some people I would imagine but that's why we do this program and in -depth response to Brownson's It Brownson's book which has become in essence the

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Bible the scholarly Bible for the pro -homosexuality Movement, we've just got to do it.

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I Don't even think we have to need to need to worry about Matthew Vine's book. All he did was borrow from Brownson There's just not there's nothing.

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There's nothing scholarly there. There's nothing of great substance there it Brownson's what's got to be dealt with and once you've debunked the primary elements of Of Brownson they have nothing left.

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They've got nothing left and It can be done take some work, but it can be done.

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So that's where that's where we want to go, but What's being said here?

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The whole counsel of God includes Matthew chapter 19 God created the male and female.

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There's the family. That's what he blesses That's that's that's the creation ordinance, that's good

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That's positive. Our society is attacking that denying that from every perspective from the beginning of life the genetic stuff that they're doing now for designer babies to the end of life and the destruction of life there and Euthanasia and now in between you can't even know what a human person is anymore

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We're getting rid of gender pronouns because we're not really males. We're not really females we are having our humanity stolen from us and It ends up Gutting the gospel because the gospel says here's

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God's law. Here's what's right and wrong Here's the situation your relationship to God and here's the solution for it

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And what all this stuff is doing is making it impossible to communicate that gospel and in the midst of that We aren't really sure

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We don't really know Um, we have an opportunity right now

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To speak forth the gospel will people hate it. Yep. Sure do

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But the opportunity is there and the question is will we be faithful to the ministry?

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What was it again? Let me let me go back here real quick Acts chapter 20 verse 24.

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I My course That that that drama on that that route that was assigned to Paul My course and the ministry which

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I received from the Lord Jesus To testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God You don't testify solemnly the gospel of the grace of God by avoiding the need for the gospel of the grace of God But I You know, who am

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I right? I Do you just don't like my answers and here's exactly what I mean by that the some media wants us to use our pulpit to Have a soapbox for social issues.

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I Have in fact, it's interesting I need to hurry on here because I need to get to this

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I have no interest in that I have no interest in making the pulpit a soapbox for anything for social issues

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The issue of what humanity is what sexuality is what the gospel is what sin is is not a social issue

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It's a biblical issue and the biblical issues very frequently touch on social issues So yeah, the pulpit is not to be a thing a place for social issues

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But when the society is saying you will be silent on this issue on this topic

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We don't have any choice at that point we have to respond Lee that's our job I don't believe

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Jesus did that you go look at what Jesus did He was always talking about the heart of an individual and the soul of a person

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Yeah, like Herod and you know, John the Baptist. Oh, wait a minute. John the Baptist actually rebuked him for his

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Evil and his incest and he died because of it and well anyway sometimes

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The demands of righteousness Have to be announced to those in places of political power even to our detriment

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These symptomatic societal problems and people hate that because a lot of churches are about what they're against We're about what we're for and really you're for you're about what you're for So are you for Matthew chapter 19?

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Are you for Jesus teaching on marriage? Are you for the creation ordinance? Are you for the fact that's male -female not?

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Transsexual not people that can choose to be a male today and a female tomorrow and all that kind of absurdity

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Are you for the positive presentation of the creatorship of God and for his right to define marriage and all the rest of stuff?

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Is that what you're for? Don't put it into the well what you know people all about what we're the world's the one that is

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Demanding that we talk about what we're against because they're trying to destroy what we're for you've fallen for the trap

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You've fallen for the trap You're not the only one you're not the only one comes to people's sexuality

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I don't want to use a public forum to talk about private things because how You don't want to use a public forum to talk about private things.

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I Suppose that's that that means when the New Testament does that that that was inappropriate

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Now don't get me wrong if you want to have the opportunity to talk to someone in Such a way as to deal with their same -sex desires.

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You don't want to do that from the pulpit. I understand that Don't confuse Taking the proper biblical stand on what the positive teaching of Scripture is in regards to human sexuality

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With having to rail on the subject every single Sunday I'm not saying that's what you have to do.

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But what are people hearing here? Are they hearing a clear presentation of? What God has said?

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concerning this issue Or are they hearing something? It sounds like well, it sounds like they're able to sort of just go with the flow a little bit here

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You know, maybe I like gradualism gradualism Can you have a dialogue?

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How in the world can I hear your story? How in the world can someone have a question? So if I that's exactly what

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I got from Matthew Vines, how can anyone hear your story? I Love post -modernism, huh?

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I want to hear your story The person

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I want to talk to is the person who's ready to hear God's story My story doesn't determine

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God's story God's story determines my story if we want to use this story stuff anyways You know sort of like the you know dance with God stuff

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Um That's what I got from Matthew Vines of I just don't get a feeling you're ready to listen what they mean by that is

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I don't get the feeling you're ready to compromise your fundamental beliefs and Accept the fundamental assertions.

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I'm making as the starting point so that you'll never have a foundation to consistently stand on That's what they're really saying.

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That's where they're really going Unfortunately, see why am I covering this because what have

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I told you for how long now? The tsunami is coming and here's the third way here's just just one of the ways

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You know, I'm just not gonna talk about this stuff or it's gonna put over to the side We want to keep growing. We want to be acceptable in the society etc, etc, and and You're looking at majority minority

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So what's gonna be? majority Minority, I'm saying I'm the minority

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But I'm also saying What can I say, um,

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I want to say what Paul said I want to be able to say what Paul said when my day comes and If I have to be in the minority to say it,

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I guess I have to be in minority to say it Stand up in a pulpit and I just start railing at something or make a statement in a newspaper about something

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I believe it's insensitive to the journey that people are walking on and our church is gonna protect people no matter where you're from No matter what you carry insensitive to the journey people are walking on I Is is that somewhere that maybe that's in the message that's that may be my problem

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I'm sitting here reading the Greek and I need to be reading the message because maybe somewhere in Acts 20 there's something about sensitivity to the journey and Maybe that's where I'm missing it

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In other words, it seems to me this there's a big difference between Well, we are protecting everybody that comes to our church

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Does that mean you don't proclaim the whole purpose of God to them all

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The purpose of God all the counsel of God Which is more important and Fundamentally mass suggests that you get down to the bottom of it

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There is a fundamental distrust in the ministry of the word and the Spirit in being able to keep the people that God wants to have in the church in the church all the

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Flim -flam forms of evangelism and everything else. It all comes back to this. It all comes back to this what kind of orientation you feel like is your

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You know lane of life to run in What? What you you're granting that to people?

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See here theology matters. There's human autonomy in its full glory

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Whenever you think your lane of life to run is your How about letting

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Christ define that how about proclaiming the Lordship of Christ? How about saying you know what

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Jesus Christ is Lord over every aspect of your life including who you are. Oh But that'll offend many people

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Unless the Spirit of God takes out that heart of stone and gives a heart of flesh Yeah, I sure it sure will mm -hmm that seems to have been the absolutely consistent apostolic experience as well

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You expecting something different? Hmm You know,

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I want to have a conversation about it. We have a stance on love Yeah, and we have conversations about everything else.

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Well, I look we have a stance on love for whom First is love the

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Lord your God First is love the gospel First is honor God first to be pleasing to God That's first.

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Is that really what's being first here? When you won't tell people the truth clearly I Love that and that makes sense to me because when you say, you know

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You have a stance on love and you're talking about hearts and souls. I often see you know what people want to focus on homosexuality and the gay marriage issue and whether they should be allowed to get married and A lot of homosexual couples are looking around saying

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I just love this person with all my heart and soul So I'm looking for some support Okay What is the

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Christian response at this point? To talk about what Christian love is the definition of Christian love and that that's not what's going not what is going on Does anybody see almost anyone addressing that today?

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Is that what we're gonna get here? I mean, obviously I don't think this guy's a believer. I'm not talking about Carl Lentz I'm talking about this guy's interviewing him for the

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Huffington Post Here's an opportunity. Let's talk about love love brought Jesus to the cross

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Love sacrifices. Love is concerned about holiness and forgiveness and redemption

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Here's the opportunity, right? Well, I think it's already been Wasted feel like it's you're not in a position to give them support on that issue

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Or do you feel like it's just not your lane? It's I don't it's not my job to be people's judge and jury if I sat down with it isn't

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Here to judge for the righteous judgment pastor It's it's it's not your job to be judge and jury well if what you mean by that is their final condemnation, duh

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But what what's with all this weasel stuff? Why not just be straightforward? I mean, I would just contrast this

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With when John MacArthur was on all the time with the old old old old man with the suspenders

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Yeah, as soon as I said, what was this guy's name? Anyway, that guy he was on with him what 20 times more?

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I don't know. He was on constantly Larry King It was all Larry King. He he was asked all these questions and there was not the slightest hint of dissimulation of compromise

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You had clear biblical stances taken it can be done

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And it can be done without Using sandpaper as your way of doing it.

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No, it actually can be done Sexual couple and they asked me what

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I thought about their relationship I would tell them and it would be at their table and it would be our business.

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I'm really hoping I'm really hoping that what he's saying there is I would tell them their relationship is wrong.

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I hope that's what he's saying. I Hold out I really do

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But what is what he's saying is I can't say it from the pulpit. I Can't leave my people to understand that But their situation is different to the next situation and often people get these two words mixed up acceptance and approval

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Like I don't necessarily if someone comes in my church I don't have to approve of every single thing in their life because that's not my job

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I'm not God, but my job is to accept you as I have been accepted. No, no, no What where does that come from?

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My job is to accept you as I have been accepted The only way I can then under term understand the term accepted there as a

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Christian is accepted in Jesus Christ And that's in repentance and faith But that's not how the term is being used in regards to them

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Are you saying that they can come in their sin and Remain in their sin and you're not going to face them with their sin and hence the term repentance is no longer relevant

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Confusing very confusing everything in my life God accepted me so acceptance and approval We draw a really cool line in there because it's like look

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I'm not gonna tell you there's a lot of people who will come into our church leave and go. No, thanks I don't want to change my

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I don't want to live. I don't want to believe that and I say good for you That's your job. You have to answer to God for your life. Not me. Yeah, so why is this on me?

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Why do people say good for you? If someone rejects the gospel

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I'll go well, that's good for you. I mean, I know what he's saying. That's their job They're gonna be held accountable. That's true.

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But what is this good for you thing? Did you catch that? He caught himself He started to say

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I don't want to change and then he caught himself and reversed and changed his language Now he was

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I think he was really saying there are people come and that they will try to Explain to them the way of righteousness and they said not to go.

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I'm trying to read I'm trying to listen to this and find something positive in it. I really am.

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I'm hoping that's what he's saying I'm hoping that's what he's saying People are like what do you think about homosexuality?

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I'm like, I love my wife. I'm married. Yes good wrong guy But that's just to be funny.

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But no, I wasn't funny Lead balloon I've had a few of those two do believe it's such a sensitive issue.

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I have gay friends I have people that I love that are right in the thick of that kind of debate, right and I just refuse to Ostracize people any longer.

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I hate it. Okay. Here's where it gets weird. And when do we absolutely have to wrap up for you?

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We're we can go maybe 5 -10 after Alright. Alright, I just I won't finish this up and then

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I want to dress everything I said I was gonna dress and then we'll wrap it up It'll be an odd odd amount of time, which will mess the way back machine up forever.

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But who cares? I've been going as you can tell I've been going as fast as I can go and if anyone tries to listen to this at One point four or something.

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It's not gonna make any sense because I'm talking very quickly and I realize that Here's where it starts getting weird Here's where it's like well,

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I've had a change and if you don't agree with where we're coming from and how we're handling this now

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Then you know you're into the bigotry and the hatred and all the rest of this stuff and this is this is just the world's

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Playbook right here being repeated by a Christian pastor at HuffPo Why do we have to do this?

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Who are you trying to please here Carl Whose ministry are you fulfilling here now when you start this that that I think that there's been so much hate

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And so much bigotry and so much insensitivity that I'm done with that.

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And so the people who criticize us for it Yeah, I like making those people mad. Yeah, cuz I hear you. They are who they are

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Huh, they are who they are. Who are they? What bigotry what hatred?

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What are you identifying it? You're you're falling You are just following their playbook at that point where they identify any perspective

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That would affirm the authority of Scripture would affirm God's right to say this is right.

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This is wrong This is what will give you life. This will not give you life You're following their playbook

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To identify that as bigotry hatred Insensitivity, etc, etc.

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How about insensitivity to the truth of God? How about insensitivity to followers of Jesus Christ?

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Jesus never said it would be better if a millstone was Wrapped around your neck and you're down the depths of the sea if you offend

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One of the people in Sodom and Gomorrah, he said that about his followers

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He will be the judge. He is Lord of all the earth Who's telling that to our society

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Not many Not many not many So so you like making people angry that Does that just clang?

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Does that just clang to you? I like making those people angry. No, that's sensitive. I Guess those people won't find a hill song to place them to go, right?

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I The inclusive thing always ends up breaking down someplace You know at least some of us are

01:00:07

Open in saying here's the parameters. Here's where the inclusion stops But the folks who just want to talk about inclusion they always end up breaking down somewhere

01:00:17

But anyway, if we focus on love, it'll all fix itself out if all people just focus on love

01:00:23

I at least that's my personal belief Jesus said to do two things

01:00:30

He said love the Lord your God with all your heart all your soul all your mind and then he said number two

01:00:35

Love your neighbor Yeah, that's what he said. Thank you for that.

01:00:40

What does that mean? Loving God with our heart soul mind strength is Defined in Scripture as Jesus said

01:00:50

Can't be ashamed of him as or his gospel can't be ashamed of him or his gospel and the truth on these matters are part of the gospel part of the gospel

01:01:02

That was just troubling That was just troubling. But again, I Said this in the sermons on Sunday.

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I said it earlier today. You can understand that's a majority. We're minority Get used to it

01:01:16

Deal with it Recognize you have an audience of one you're called to be pleasing to God.

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You're not gonna be pleasing to this world around us Can't do can't do both, you know, love love

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God love love the world system They don't fit don't fit and we've just been in this situation of blessing for so long where we haven't had persecution and the result has been we could

01:01:44

Love the truth and the world basically left us alone not anymore Not anymore not gonna happen anymore

01:01:52

Okay Went along there and I want to respond to one other thing on the program then again remind you

01:02:00

We are good on the Wednesday thing probably morning because we got something we've got something in the afternoon remember

01:02:07

Yeah, so we got to do it in the morning Got it in the morning. Um, so we'll do something Wednesday morning, and then

01:02:13

I'm off to New Jersey and New York as we mentioned at the top of the program. I Just wanted to address something happened last night and It it bothered me.

01:02:24

It was a Twitter exchange with a fellow by I'm assuming a fellow I've asked for identity.

01:02:31

I went to the website. No name was given that I could find anyways Twitter handle a fresh word org now

01:02:41

When I addressed should be Lewis back in 2008

01:02:49

I went to Norfolk, Virginia and I engaged in a I Don't even know if I included as one of my debates probably do but I mean it was a formal debate but I engaged with a in a debate with a

01:03:08

Muslim that the Muslims were yelling at by the end of the evening because it was so bad But then

01:03:13

I observed the other speakers and one of the other speakers from the Muslim side was Shadid Lewis and Shadid is a convert.

01:03:25

He and Nabil Qureshi had a Back and forth on Their conversion stories, so they went different directions.

01:03:37

And so it was obviously an interesting Way to have it have two converts talking with one another as to their respective experience

01:03:46

It was very troubling listening to Shadid's testimony his story born in Roman Catholicism and Of course,

01:03:55

I've been very clear. I do not believe Roman Catholicism is Christianity. I believe it is opposed to the gospel of Christ It is under the anathema of God that the

01:04:03

Roman gospel is not saved there are people within Roman Catholicism who will be saved because they have a simple trust in the gospel rather than Rome's teaching but The the

01:04:14

Roman gospel is a false gospel but then he said he went to a Baptist Church a black

01:04:20

Baptist Church Shadid Lewis is black and His description

01:04:26

I I described I didn't go through everything. He said you can go listen to it. I'm sure it's online someplace

01:04:31

I didn't look for it, but His description was of the kind of cultural

01:04:41

Black church that exists today, and I thought That that would be enough to communicate to everybody what

01:04:46

I mean folks. There's no such thing as a cultural Christian Church If you have a church that is determined by the culture rather than by the word it's a false church from the start

01:05:01

And there are cultural churches all over the world, but there is the United States, especially a form of cultural black church

01:05:10

That is sort of a part of the community But its focus is not the exegesis of Scripture the worship of God the gospel of Jesus Christ Its ministers are more civic leaders than they are anything else.

01:05:27

They're called ministers, but let's face it most of them don't even crack the binding of a

01:05:33

Bible and I'm not telling you anything that there aren't all sorts of good

01:05:42

Black pastors that will tell you the same thing. They're fighting against it all the time

01:05:47

They have to struggle against this cultural Race based stuff all the time.

01:05:56

I've heard them speak on it. I've been at conferences where they've spoken about it And so all I mentioned was what

01:06:02

Shadid Lewis described was one of these cultural black churches

01:06:09

Where he was given no teaching as to the content of the New Testament Which unfortunately shows up a lot in what

01:06:16

Shadid says He clearly was never taught about the doctrine of the Trinity and one of the main things he mentioned was

01:06:21

There was no guidance as to what you should and should not do in Christianity. I'm just like You couldn't even read through the

01:06:30

New Testament without getting guidance and So obviously that wasn't even happening and then he described the day that he decided this is not the worship of God Was when in the middle of this quote -unquote sermon

01:06:43

The pastor breaks out a saxophone starts jamming with the band and he's sitting in the back going You know what? I just don't think this is worship of God and he left never came back.

01:06:51

I Thought I made that fairly clear, but evidently a fresh word or is hypersensitive and According to my computer here 18 hours ago now

01:07:07

Tweeted me and said I might have listened to my last DL You're not likely to hear the gospel at a culturally black

01:07:14

Baptist Church As I've listened here for three years you have trained me to represent others fairly you didn't represent the black church fairly really

01:07:24

You don't think I made enough distinctions to recognize that I know that we have good solid brothers

01:07:30

But I also know that there is a cultural Race based black church that's primarily political and community and not gospel

01:07:45

I'm not gonna back down from that. I've had too many of my black pastor friends talk about to back down from that.

01:07:51

I Made that clear goes on I Then responded at some point

01:08:01

He says how fair would this be most 50 year old reformed white guys are bigots using that as an example not saying that And I said you didn't get the point

01:08:12

That's not a parallel to what I was saying I Identified the kind of church

01:08:17

I'm talking about it does exist There's no question about that. Why are you so sensitive to this?

01:08:25

um Then he said by the way, I listened to the spong debate your description of your childhood friends father was uncomfortable to hear at best

01:08:33

Now that's when I started going. I think we've got someone here. It's got some race issues and Ironically couldn't believe this but we had to reset the computer on the way back machine we try to reset it so it works better when we're doing the program and Lo and behold the episode it was playing was one of the most

01:08:53

It was I think it was when I was dealing with is may 6 2008 may 6 2008

01:08:58

That's when I was dealing with Jeremiah writes. Well, you were going through cone stuff. Yeah cone stuff. Well, Jeremiah, right cone stuff

01:09:03

Yeah, and I was talking about racism in the black community right there and I told the story and I'm like I'm offended first of all

01:09:16

Was uncomfortable to hear at best my personal experience was uncomfortable for you.

01:09:21

Well, excuse me That was my experience you questioning that I was starting to get a little offended at this point

01:09:30

And Then this is when I blocked him He says you're committing a cannerism

01:09:37

Now the only way the only time anybody would say anything to me in that way is if you want to offend me

01:09:43

You want to end the discussion, okay You're committing a cannerism distracting from the main point not about that guy's church.

01:09:51

This is about your hasty generalization it was everything about that guy's church because that's what

01:09:56

I was talking about if you want to ignore what I was talking about and Apply it to something else put in a different context, okay

01:10:07

But I then have the right to go look bye -bye Because I don't need to have your stuff sitting on my screen

01:10:14

You don't have to follow me. You don't have to listen to this program and I don't have to listen to you So I didn't see because I had blocked it the next one so that big church in Phoenix isn't a social club and political base because I had said a

01:10:28

Lot of these churches are primarily social clubs and political bases You can tell by listening to the quote -unquote sermons because they're not actually derived from the

01:10:35

Bible and there's no concern and There's tremendous amount of heresy We could talk about some very well -known historical leaders who were heretics in Their denial of the resurrection of Christ the deity of Christ so on and so forth

01:10:48

It's that big church in Phoenix. Yeah, Phoenix for him Baptist Church. I think we I think we've hit 60 members now.

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Whoo maybe 110 on a Sunday morning, you know packing it out. Yeah. Okay, so obviously doesn't know he's talking about Then afterwards because I stopped responding to him and he didn't realize he was blocked

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On East Coast going to sleep won't stop the DL. It's too critical. However, truly disappointed. Thanks for hearing me out Well, I didn't hear you out when you when you accuse me of a cannerism when you are not even semi

01:11:19

Barely handling what I said. Sorry. Bye. Bye and Here's what really really got me

01:11:29

Upset and why I respond to this I get up this morning and And Evidently you decide evidently maybe after you said that you found out you were blocked or something.

01:11:39

I don't know because you decided to write to Michael Brown and Here's what you wrote to Michael Brown.

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Did you hear what your friend said? You're not likely to hear the gospel at a culturally black Baptist Church That's called seeking to sow dissension amongst the brethren, sir and Appropriately Demonstrated that my blocking of you was the correct action

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Now, I don't know who you are Your website doesn't say but my point was clear

01:12:20

The problem is clear. Shadeed Lewis is a good example of why that problem

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Should be something that's being addressed. There are a few who are trying to address it, but let's be honest

01:12:31

They're not making a lot of headway Now you can be overly sensitive based upon race issues if you want to it's popular these days

01:12:45

But the reality is that Shadeed Lewis Went to a church

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But I'm gonna tell Shadeed Lewis in our debate if the subject comes up. That's not the kind of church

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That honors the Word of God by proclaiming the whole Council of God. I don't care what color it is

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It just so happens in our country that we've got a lot of people in the black community That create these kinds of churches that are not gospel preaching churches

01:13:15

They are focused upon social issues, and that's not the gospel just that simple.

01:13:24

I Wouldn't care what the color was. I don't care if it's green yellow or blue his situation is

01:13:32

What determined the context of the comments? So if you want to try a stir dissension

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I will respond and I will demonstrate that you're being dishonest. So I call you to repent

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Call you to repent and to be clear. Not only is it not a large church. It is not a social club

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It is not a political base. No, it doesn't happen there. No kidding. That is not what the church is about No, there is no question about that No question about that at all

01:14:03

All right, so, um, I had queued up as if I was gonna get to it I had queued up Brian's on stuff and did you see that Brian's on tweet?

01:14:13

Oh my goodness. He went after Piper and Then all the other people. Oh, that's scary Oh, so it would be good to get back to that try to get back to that But who knows what will happen between now and Wednesday and there's so many other things to get to but we we we just press on we press on as Best we can in the time that is allotted to us.

01:14:32

So I appreciate your viewing Listening to however, it is you did this for the dividing line today.

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We went a little long, but I needed to be able to respond to all that stuff and Hopefully it has been useful to you.

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Don't get discouraged in the midst of the tsunami folks Remember you have an audience of one to be concerned about Fulfill the ministry given to you proclaim the whole counsel of God.