NJ/NY Trip Details/Examining Carl Lentz on HuffPo

And welcome to the dividing line on a special Monday program. We are moving the schedule around a little bit. I fly out on Friday for New Jersey and New York. We have put that information on the website and I hope some of you are making plans to come out and say hello and hopefully some of the subjects that we'll be addressing will be of Interest to you.

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And Probably by the end of the day, we will have the calendar back which was supposed to be there and didn't know it disappeared anyways. For everybody back in New Jersey and New York starts off at Trinity Fellowship Church Saturday night in Tom's River.

Ben I think this would be my Third, you know Trinity. Trinity Fellowship Church is one of the very few churches That my wife has actually been to with me. I don't remember why that worked out that time, but I do remember that and it was a long time ago.

We've been we've been stopping by Trinity Fellowship Church for Probably coming up on two decades now somewhere around there. We will be Looking at the homosexual issue. Salt and light in the decay and darkness of Western culture using a homosexual issue as a means of gospel proclamation.

That'll be 7 p .m. Trinity Fellowship Church in Tom's River. For those of you who are Conflicted as to whether you want to be watching this program right now or the ERLC Meetings that Al Mohler kicked off today.

See it'll be relevance. So there you go. That'll be at 7 o 'clock on Saturday evening. Sunday I'll be at Christian Fellowship Church, North Brunswick New Jersey. 930 a .m. Proclaiming the gospel in the mosque and 11 a .m. Truth immersion.

Deuteronomy 11 18 through 21 examined. I better Review my notes. Um, and then Sunday evening I'll be driving from New Jersey to New York. And I will be at Grace Reformed Baptist Church in Merrick hopefully at some point.

During that day I will get to have a slice of Wonderful New York style pepperoni pizza at that awesome pizza place. Within walking distance just down Smith Street and then on to. I think it's Merrick.

One of my favorite pizza places in it's in Merrick on Long Island. So much oil. On that pizza that some people just dab it off. I just figure I'm gonna eat the whole thing because I consider that my my oil change.

For the next few years, it'll lubricate the joints and everything. It's great. I love it. Mm-hmm. So that'll be Sunday night 6 p .m. Grace Form Baptist Church in in Merrick dates doctrines dead people lessons in church history.

That's gonna be a real short version of what we did up in up in Boulder for those of you interested in in that Monday night, November 3rd Cornerstone Christian Church in Hicksville, New York. The biblical role of pastors.

If I recall correctly if I recall correctly the same pastor here I could be wrong about this. I think the same pastor here had me do one of the few sermons I've ever done on church membership a Number of years ago.

I think I'm right about that. I remember what the place looked like. May not be the same place. But anyways then on Tuesday and Wednesday The the crazy people at Hope Reform Baptist Church had me for two days.

We Have proclaim the gospel in the mosque and homosexuality is professing Christian defenders similar topics. But we had New Jersey figuring that not too many people would be traveling that far and there is a November 6 7 p .m Word of Truth Church in Farmingville, New York.

King James only controversy reliability of modern translations. Saturday I will be back at New Hyde Park Baptist Church and 7 p .m. We have the Muslim debate with Shadid Lewis on Is Jesus Christ God Almighty which I did that screen flow video on just recently haven't heard back from Shadid on that.

Then we're gonna do our new test of reliability presentation and be speaking in the Sunday morning service and Sunday night. Yeah, Sunday night North Shore Baptist Church, it's been a while brother. The one pastor who almost single-handedly kept me from ever coming back to New York again.

By dragging me into Little Italy late late on the night that I arrived in New York. This is my second trip out and Let's just say this pastor can do an incredible impersonation of Elvis. That's that's all I can say that I think that would be that as far as I could as I could go at this at this point, but I've got some.

Do you remember it does North Shore Baptist Church ring a bells for you? Got something that's making me try to sneeze in here. I'm sorry. It looks like I'm playing my nose, but it's like there's something trying to make me sneeze.

Um. How about the the brother Barker debate see I Wasn't long for that. Well, I know but you've heard the brother Barker. Yes. I've heard the brother Barker debate. That was there and the one with the Church of Christ guy.

See it's in fact of the brother.

The brother the brother. Barker debate is the only mp3 recording that we've ever sold someone who. Want their money back. They want the money back. Because he's like you call this a debate. This is embarrassing.

That was his words not mine.

Yeah, that was right there at North Shore, so I'll be wrapping up. I just hope. You know, I really feel badly about this but a number of years ago. You'll have to ask Ed more about this but a number of years ago.

By time I got to North Shore. I was so sick I don't I'm in a lot better shape than I was back then. So hopefully I'll be able to fight everything off, but I was so sick I tried to preach and I literally couldn't.

I was coughing so badly. That's the first time it's ever happened. I've always been able to you know, take enough cough medicine to sort of you know. It was it was bad. So hopefully we won't have a repeat of that, but that's what's coming up.

Gone as long as I was in South Africa well, of course the travels a little bit more but So New Jersey, New York all put together by the great one Chris Arnzen so if I get lost always blame Chris, he's always good to blame for something and He's probably watching right now going out great.

Yeah. It's yeah, he was laughing at the Edmore stuff too. I can assure you. All right, let's get into it. Only to my brother down in in South Africa. I only did nine minutes. Did not the first full ten minutes only nine minutes of stuff there at the at the beginning we need to let people know what's going on and Nick over in Ukraine.

I don't know where Nick is. He's he's he's watching. But you know, he and Greg travel so much they spend half their time in the u .s. He's got to get a green card or something. I'm not sure where he is right now whether he's back in Ukraine or just with all I can say it Nick is you better Be back in Ukraine in a few weeks when I get there.

Nick is my my dear brother in the Lord and The best translator God has placed on the green earth. He's when I've told the story about when I first taught Textual criticism there in Berlin. Spent eight hours a day sitting in this in this room Listening to me translating live into Russian Of a pretty tough topic and I'm just like I was brain-dead by the end of the day I can't imagine what it's like to listen to someone else and be translating them live that amount of time and he did it for days and Some of you may have seen the video.

I posted when I was preaching at the church there and the It's on the blog somewhere. Yeah young man staying next to me translating everything. That's that's Nick and Looking forward to seeing him. He's just one of those guys there's certain guys out there in the world Rudolph and Nick and and David and and you just you land that it's like This bump.

How's it going? You know, it's just you just pick up where you left off and it's just just just how it is and But of course things are a little different in Kiev than it were last time. I was there. So We will we will see what happens with with all of that I'm announced on Twitter that I was going to Respond to a video that appeared from HuffPo Huffington Post in regards to the Hillsong Controversy you may recall that last week at some point Brian Houston the head of all of Hillsong that comes out of Australia Basically gave a real wimpy response when it came to the subject of homosexuality and Then put out a statement afterwards.

Why affirm everything Paul said? Well, you know what Matthew Vines would say he affirms everything Paul said so that doesn't actually Answer the question. It doesn't really address the issue directly, unfortunately and So Carl Lentz who is the pastor the Hillsong Church in New York City has been a little bit more direct in what he has to say and I wanted to address this simply because I've said Oh great Nick says I'm in Ukraine looks like it's gonna get the weather right for you this year.

Now, what does that mean? I'm a little scared by that Get the weather right for you this year as in It's gonna be real nice so I can run in the mornings and Get chased by the lovely guard dog.

Yeah, I was gonna say that probably means make sure that the guard dog has been.

Corralled before you go out and run maybe maybe or Does is he's saying looks like we're gonna be you know socked with? Snow and you're gonna you're gonna be in a great holiday spirit when you get home because you'll have had your white December or something.

I I will be keeping an eye on Brother Nick's response to this. Hopefully he'll hear this and go No, no, it's going to be wonderful. Because remember Nick I challenged you back in February. I said, let's run.

Let's run man. You're you're young and you're the same age to my as my son's so You can't let the the old the old codger outrun you. I'm gonna be doing some running while I'm there so I'm bringing the shoes and I Hopefully hopefully he won't be shoveling Shoveling snow the way so we can run around the school there.

That would be inappropriate Unless it would keep the dog away from chasing me, which then would be okay. All right. Just bring those warm shoes you haven't worn since last December great. Lovely wonderful.

So dress warm. I think is what he's what he's saying Warm shoes, what is he? I guess I you know what I did. I did bring a pair of shoes that had like Thermalite in them. That's right. I had shoes the thermolite in them and they were they were just frying my feet.

So I guess what he's saying is yeah get get ready for some Cold cold weather. Well, I guess that does happen in Ukraine once in a while. Anyway, Carl Lentz Huffpo the subject of Homosexuality and a number of other things basically this is an issue of What the responsibility of a pastor is?

And I'm not gonna sit here and do the you need to wear a bowtie thing. I Don't think every pastor has to wear a bowtie. I I Did notice that the the video that I saw briefly Of the conference going on today that Dr. Moeller was not wearing a tie and I I've only once I think been a situation where someone said please just don't wear a tie and I was just sort of like okay, whatever but What.

Well, okay that was different any any place called the grind would not allow you to have a tie obviously and So I'm not I'm not I'm not talking about that. I'm not I'm not talking about That kind of thing I'm not talking about what he's you know, he's wearing a beanie and You know, it looks like when he's preaching, you know, he's he's got a lot of ink White out right out there in the open don't care that's between him Lord and unless he's trying to just look really cool, and then I've got a problem with it, but All that kind of stuff that that's that's not that's not what I'm talking about One more distraction.

Yeah, did you see it mr. Pierce might be right and we'll be reenacting the scene from Rocky oh I know which way Rocky. Well, this one would actually fit real well being in Ukraine Because this was Rocky four and he's in the snow, you know Great wonderful.

Well, there's a you know, Nick there's a pretty long hallway. I Think if we just you know did that one hallway, you know, we have to jump over that one threshold next to the library. But other than that Maybe the stairs up to the classrooms, you know, we could and I don't know we'll figure something out.

I Gotta do something I actually found a rower for me in Berlin. So I'll be able to at least get some rowing then So yeah get get back to work. Yeah, I know.

I know they're in the chat room over here trying to figure out when you how long it'll take for somebody on Twitter to distract You and I saw that. Yeah, yeah, I'm going. When did he get on track?

It's hey, it's a live program and I am now that I am now the the normals Facebook Twitter Social media guy you it's your fault. You're the one who wanted me on on all the social media. And so now I have the attention span of a flea so it's Yeah, I'm just like but but now I can communicate better with Americans because we all have the attention.

Hey, I haven't had to kick you off at any of the pages yet. So you're doing okay so far.

Yeah, that'll come up a little bit later, but someone I did block but anyway Let's get back to things here. This isn't about All that it's not about Whether you've got guitars on the stage or things like that.

It really isn't. What concerned me about this interview was what was being said and how it was being said and what it would mean and I Just Cannot help but remember what Paul said in acts 2024 these are.

These are weighty weighty words they really are. Remember remember the context in Acts chapter 20 Paul has sent for the elders at Ephesus to come to him at Miletus. He's on his way to Jerusalem. Those elders are men that he had invested a tremendous amount of time in Preparing them.

I mean that plenty that church there at Ephesus was key to his entire evangelization Scheme for Asia Minor. They're obviously men in whom he had invested his life. And so he calls them to himself and saw.

What what you say in a situation where you figure I'm never gonna see you again because that's what he tells him I'm never gonna see you again. What you say in a situation like that obviously reflects your heart.

Listen these words in Acts 20 24. But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself so that I may finish my course and The ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God.

That's what he was called to do. He was given a ministry to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God. Now, I believe That you can testify Solemnly of the gospel the grace of God in every language in every culture.

There is something I think to the term solemnly. I don't think that means necessarily sadly. It doesn't mean in a depressed fashion. But it does mean to recognize The weight of The calling that is yours and the nature of the message with which you have been entrusted.

You know, we have fun on this program. We we we do humor and things like that just because that's the way I normally am people are surprised by that but my family isn't. But when it comes to the proclamation of the gospel if you've watched Many of the debates and as we've played just what happened in South Africa recently and my understanding is the videos are already on their Way, that's what you said Ismael said and I appreciate that you're gonna see.

I think a certain solemnity a Gravitas a recognition of the weight of the subject in the Presentation of the gospel it deserves to be treated in a certain way and that overrides everything else and He tells them I'm no longer going to see any of you and then he says this therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men for I Did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.

There it is. There it is. When I stand before the judgment seat, I think My Lord who gave me the opportunities he's given to me is going to ask me Did you shrink back? From declaring the whole counsel of God.

Now, why would anybody do that? Well Fear of the face of men if there is anything in the counsel of God that you shrink back from I suggest you it's because you love something other than The truth of God more than the whole counsel of God.

I Don't I don't get to determine what the parameters of The whole counsel of God is only he gets to do that he's done that in Scripture. He's given that to us it is inspired word. I I don't get to edit that I don't get to say well You know this stuff over here.

Well, I don't know, you know, I you know. And right now what we're facing in Western culture is the culture saying to us you will not proclaim the whole counsel of God and the if a church is built upon Bring as many people in as possible who are unbelievers to engage in Gradualism to slowly maybe move them a little bit closer to the gospel.

They're not gonna be able to proclaim the whole counsel of God. The Apostles never did that the Apostles never engaged in gradualism and when quote-unquote non Roman Catholics engage in gradualism because gradualism is a part of Roman Catholic theology and practice and that's that's Rome thing.

That's why she can engage in all the idolatry she engages in. But if you're not a Roman Catholic and you engage in gradualism this idea of you know. Let's just move people a little bit closer a little bit closer a little bit closer.

Rather than calling for that complete break from false worship and the embracing of the true God. You're you're borrowing from Rome at that point and These large mega churches. It was funny a fellow that I'm gonna talk about a little later on just briefly a fresh word org on Twitter.

I asked him who he was and he hasn't answered yet and Maybe it's just because it you know his job hasn't a lot of I don't know but I asked him. He was up pretty late. So maybe his job keeps him doing that but I it was it was it was funny.

He Said to me and I didn't even see this one until right before the program because I had blocked him by now. But I've unblocked him to try to communicate with him again. So that big church in Phoenix isn't a social club and political base.

Yeah PR BC. Evidently evidently thinks I go to a big church in Phoenix and with all of 50. We might we might be up to 60 members now getting close getting close.

That's that's that's big one. That's who somebody on Facebook referred to some prominent member.

Yeah, prominent member, whatever that was. I Don't I have no idea anyway these big mega churches that are bringing in these thousands of people and they they've adopted a Theology of the church that I just don't find to be biblical at all.

They've adopted a theology of church that is not biblical the the church the church is the body of Christ and It is a place of worship and proclamation of the truth and That's its focus when the church meets.

The evangelism is to take place when we are out in the world. Doing what we do and what God's called us to do in the world and Turning the primary worship of the church into an evangelistic outreach is one of the biggest problems that the American Church has developed because now you got to change everything and the result is the starvation of the sheep and all sorts of all sorts of things and all sorts of Manipulation of emotions and filling the pews with unbelievers and and all the rest that kind of stuff.

Here's the here's the point. I believe that anyone who takes the role of an elder in a church, and of course, I believe biblically elder bishop pastor. It's all the same thing. I think there are different Roles because of there's there's a plurality of elders.

But they're all the same office. They we have the two examples In Titus and Timothy of the qualifications for the elder the bishop the overseer. It's all the same thing. Anyone Who takes that role in the Church of Christ will be judged by the biblical standards not by Not by the standards of well, you know in the day I lived this was what was considered successful.

Christ is not going to care about that. Christ is not going to you know, it's one thing to say. Judge people who lived a certain time by the standards that existed at that time. That's one thing. We look into church history.

We're talking about standing before the judge of seat of Christ and he has given us his word and that is the standard and it doesn't matter whether society loves that word and Honors that word or hates that word and has made it illegal.

We will be judged by what is in that word and The most fearful thing I can imagine is having taken that position and Then Christ from his throne demonstrates that you you shrank back. And as a result you are not innocent of the blood of all men.

You are guilty of the blood of certain men because you shrank back from declaring the whole Council of God and the whole council of God includes the gospel which includes the definition of sin. Which includes the centrality of God's holy nature revealed in his law.

Which includes the Creator's right to determine what is and what is not appropriate sexual behavior for mankind. It also includes the very definition of marriage itself. No matter what a bunch of wild-eyed secularists Determine about that issue and so with all of that in in the background.

Sorry for the free sermon. And by the way, I'm in the I'm back in the holiness code this past Sunday. Just posted the links to sermon audio for those of you who like to see it. This is a four minute 16 second clip.

Let's watch the whole thing to get the flow the idea. And then I'll go back through it a little bit more slowly.

Be patient with each person what I didn't even know that was in there. That's annoying. Everybody. I'm gonna check some commentary to make sure that's it doesn't mean everybody. Be attentive to individual needs.

That's interesting. Isn't that cool? That's why some churches want us to give blanket answers on huge issues. Well, my Bible says be attentive to individual needs. So I'm not gonna make polarizing political statements about certain things in our Christian community right now.

No matter who says what we won't be pressured into giving blanket statements to individual needs. Never. Never.

Speaking of diversity, you know, New York City one thing that is polarizing to some communities, especially within religion is homosexuality and the debate around it. I mean, how do you balance those two things?

I mean are people of all sexual orientations welcome and and how do you see that? Absolutely.

I think what I was referring to there was you know. Some people will be like you need to make that you need to answer our questions about the homosexuality issue. And I always say I do you just don't like my answers and here's exactly what I mean by that the some media wants us to use our pulpit to Have a soapbox for social issues.

I don't believe that's our job. I don't believe Jesus did that. You go look at what Jesus did. He was always talking about the heart of an individual and the soul of a person not these symptomatic Societal problems and people hate that because a lot of churches are about what they're against.

We're about what we're for and when it comes to people's sexuality I don't want to use a public forum to talk about private things because how in the world can you have a dialogue? How in the world can I hear your story?

How in the world can someone have a question? So if I if I stand up in a pulpit and I just start railing at something or make a statement in a newspaper about Something I believe it's insensitive to the journey that people are walking on and our church is gonna protect people.

No matter where you're from. No matter what you carry no matter what kind of Orientation you feel like is your You know lane of life to run in, you know, I want to have a conversation about it. We have a stance on love.

Yeah, and we have conversations about everything else well.

I mean I love that and that makes sense to me because when you say, you know You have a stance on love and you're talking about hearts and souls. I Often see you know what people want to focus on homosexuality and the gay marriage issue and whether they should be allowed to get married.

And a lot of homosexual couples are looking around saying I just love this person with all my heart and soul. So I'm looking for some support. Yeah, do you feel like it's you're not in a position to give them support on that issue?

Or do you feel like it's just not your lane?

It's I don't it's not my job to be people's judge and jury. If I sat down with a homosexual couple and they asked me what I thought about their relationship I would tell them and it would be at their table and it would be our business.

But their situation is different to the next situation and often people get these two words mixed up. Acceptance and approval like I don't necessarily if someone comes in my church I don't have to approve of every single thing in their life because that's not my job.

I'm not God. But my job is to accept you as I have been accepted with everything in my life God accepted me. So acceptance and approval we draw a really cool line in there because it's like look I'm not gonna tell you.

There's a lot of people who will come into our church leave and go. No, thanks. I don't want to change. I don't want to live. I don't want to believe that and I say good for you. That's your job. You have to answer to God for your life.

Not me. Yeah, so why is this on me? So people are like, what do you think about homosexuality? I'm like, I love my wife. I'm married. Yes good wrong guy. But that's just to be funny, but I do believe it's such a sensitive issue.

I have gay friends. I have people that I love that are right in the thick of that kind of debate, right and I just refuse to Ostracize people any longer. I hate it. I think that there's been so much hate and so much bigotry and so much insensitivity that I'm done with that.

And so the people who criticize us for it. Yeah, I like making those people mad. Yeah, cuz I hear you they are who they are.

And I think if we focus on love it'll all fix itself out if all people just focus on love.

I at least that's my personal belief. I do want to know before you go. Yeah before you Jesus said to do two things. He said love the Lord your God with all your heart all your soul all your mind. And then he said number two Love your neighbor.

Okay, there you go. You Know there is there's a tremendous opportunity to speak with clarity. To give a gospel witness. And I just have to wonder anybody watching that what were they left with. What what was what was communicated to them?

There was some conversation about the difference between acceptance and approval and You know, what's what is the what is the Function of Hillsong Church in New York City to protect people where they are.

I Remember Paul talking to the Ephesian elders about that. No, actually I don't. There just seems to be such a massive disconnection between What we were just looking at an axe or You know, we could sit here and read first and second Timothy Titus we can read through Ephesians and Colossians.

And and you're just left going. Yeah but let's Let's start with something else. Some of you already noticed it but did you notice the the text on the screen, let's let's go back to it and.

Notice something. Be patient with each person what I didn't even know that was in there. That's annoying. Everybody. I'm gonna check some commentary to make sure that's it doesn't mean everybody. Be attentive to individual needs.

That's interesting. Isn't that cool? That's what. Now let's just stop right there.

There's first Thessalonians 514 MSG. That's the message. The message is not even a translation of the Bible it is a paraphrase of the Bible and He's gonna make his entire point on that last little brief sentence at the end of first Thessalonians 5 14.

Let's um, let's look at first Thessalonians 514 and I'll just read it to you. A new American Standard. We urge you brethren. Admonish the unruly. Encourage the faint-hearted. Help the weak. Be patient with everyone.

The last phrase. Macro through Maitre pros pantas. Be patient toward all I can see. Be patient with each person there. That's um. Yeah, I'm just looking for the attentive to individual needs part. I'm looking at the Greek here and There's a period after Pantos and then you got to Horatio Maytas Kakan on T.

That's the next verse. See that she don't you know return evil for evil. Um. Wow, where'd that come from? Well, that's the problem paraphrases. It doesn't have to come from anywhere it can just be what the author was feeling that day and.

And that's why I think the vast majority of paraphrases are a complete insult to trees. They're worthless. And if you're using them as your base text to make your theological points, which is what he's doing out of absolute thin air.

There is nothing in the text about attentive to individual needs. It's not there. It's it's made up. It's. It's Joseph Smith type stuff. But it does become the basis of what's said.

Churches want us to give blanket answers on huge issues. Well, my Bible says be attentive to individual needs. So I'm not gonna make polarizing political statements about certain things in our Christian community right now.

No matter who says what we won't be pressured into giving blanket statements to individual needs. Never. Yeah, so there you go.

You take a paraphrased phrase. No basis in the Greek whatsoever. Paul didn't write it. It ain't scripture and. Yet you use that as the foundation for saying. Yeah, you know, we know. We know that right now.

This is the key issue. We know right now. There is a moral revolution going on in our society. It's a moral revolution that strikes directly. Directly at the teachings of Jesus Christ directly the teachings of the Bible.

But we're not gonna take a stand we're not gonna we you know, we're we're gonna. We're gonna go with the flow here. And it's because we're attentive to individual needs. Which is in our Bible but was made up by some guy just a few years ago, so there you go.

That's the problem I Tell you I break out in hives every time I see any preacher any preacher preaching from a paraphrase. I just. It's your job to take the actual text and explain it to the people. Okay, that's your job.

That's what you've been called to do. So if you start with the pablum, what do you where do you go from there? How do you simplify the pablum? I Left Stuttering at that particular point in time. All right, so the entire biblical basis in the clip they played non-existent based upon the imagination of the author of the message and We we press on with.

Never. Speaking of diversity, you know, New York City one thing that is polarizing to some communities Especially within religion is homosexuality and the debate around it. I mean, how do you balance those two things?

I mean our people of all sexual orientations welcome and and how do you see that? Absolutely.

I think what I was referring to there was you know. Some people will be like you need to make that you need to answer our questions about the homosexuality issue.

And I would is that not? What is going on right now in our society is The scripture really unclear on this matter. It really is not I Mean one of the things we've we've got to do it. I've just been there's just only so many hours in the day and But we have got To And I'm just trying to think about when I Mean, I'm just about to go to New York, New Jersey I'm only back a few weeks before Kiev and in Berlin only a few weeks during the holidays before Norway and and Atlanta I I just but despite all that I've got to find some way of doing an In-depth on this program won't be overly popular with some people I would imagine but that's why we do this program and in-depth response to Brownson's Brownson's book which has become in essence the Bible the scholarly Bible for the pro-homosexuality movement.

We've just got to do it. I Don't even think we have to need to need to worry about Matthew Vines book. All he did was borrow from Brownson. There's just not there's nothing. There's nothing scholarly there.

There's nothing of great substance there it Brownson's what's got to be dealt with and once you've debunked the primary elements of Of Brownson They have nothing left. They've got nothing left and It can be done take some work, but it can be done.