Should I choose to watch The Chosen? - Podcast Episode 132

Welcome to the GotQuestions podcast.

We are receiving a lot of questions about something that a lot of other YouTubers are

talking about, a lot of podcasters, and that's The Chosen.

The Chosen is a TV series, I guess, a streaming TV series that

portrays the life of Christ.

One of the things that's maybe a little more unique about The Chosen is that they spend a lot of time

kind of filling in the blanks, going behind the scenes of what may have happened in some of these

biblical scenes that the Bible doesn't tell us about.

For a lot of people, they really don't like that.

I'd say the vast majority of questions we receive about The Chosen are on a negative bent.

We published an article on it, after season one released.

Joining me today is Sarah.

She's the author of the article and one of our GotQuestions writers.

Also, Jeff.

He's the administrator for BibleRef .com.

So we're just going to have a discussion about The Chosen, about what it is, what it isn't, and how to

think through some of the issues that a series like The Chosen raises in our mind.

Artistic license can be a difficult issue.

Some people are watching The Chosen and almost claiming that the editors, the

writers, the producers, whoever, are saying that these things definitely happened, or kind of like adding to

Scripture.

That's definitely not their intent.

So Sarah, why don't you start us off?

What, in your mind, is the appropriate use of artistic license in a movie, a TV

show that portrays biblical events?

Sure.

I believe that God gave us our imagination.

He made some people really creative and gave them artistic talent.

And that using our imagination when we're reading Scripture can actually be helpful.

Now, we do have to differentiate between our imagination and something we're making up, using fiction

versus Scripture.

Scripture is the Word of God.

It is absolute truth.

But adding our imagination can really help us feel what those

characters might have been feeling, to understand what those people may have been going through, and to help us

relate in a really personal, practical way to the Scripture that we have.

And we see Jesus using parables, which are made -up stories, to teach biblical truth in the

Bible.

So I really do feel that it's appropriate for Christians to use

fictional, made -up stories to help us better understand biblical truth.

Artistic license is definitely controversial for some people.

And I think it's also good to distinguish the difference between artistic license that's fair and

reasonable versus artistic license that goes too far.

If you demonstrate something that is completely contrary to other

statements in the Bible or to Jesus' nature or His attitude or His morals,

then you're definitely in a position where it's not artistic license anymore.

Now you're changing things.

But I do think that we can distinguish between fair artistic license and artistic license that isn't

acceptable.

I do think it's good for us to acknowledge that there's a little danger in artistic license.

And it's not because there's something wrong with it.

It's just because it's something that we sometimes are a little bit lazy with.

On this podcast, we've talked before about how popular culture representations sometimes turn

into traditions and stereotypes and assumptions.

The one I harp on all the time is the idea of Moses not knowing that he was Hebrew.

That's not something that's in scripture, but people talk about that like it's just the way it was.

And that's not necessarily a good thing, but that's not that there's anything necessarily

wrong with using that as an element of a story.

So for me, when I see things like The Chosen, I'm not offended by the idea of artistic license.

I'm always just careful about the question of what am I seeing and how does that relate to the truths that are in

the Bible?

Is this compatible with what I'm reading in scripture?

Is this fair to what I'm seeing in the Bible?

And if it is, then I agree with you.

I think we've got an ability to go through and use our own creativity and our own minds in order to fill

in some of those blanks to make the story engaging.

For an audience.

Yeah, this idea of, is it plausible?

Could that have happened given what we do know to be truth?

And I think that does make the story kind of easier to watch

or go along with when we know that what is happening in the storyline really is plausible.

Yeah,.

Exactly.

If I were to say the two specific scenes in episodes of The Chosen that we've received

questions about, I think both were in season two, but ultimately that doesn't matter.

First one was, there is an episode where Mary Magdalene has a traumatic experience with the

passing Roman guard and it causes her to temporarily go back to her old way of life.

Not the demon possession part, but whatever, that doesn't really matter.

And that's obviously not in the Bible.

I mean, could it have happened?

Yes, it could.

The Bible nowhere says that Mary Magdalene was absolutely faithful to everything following Christ

her entire life after she started following him.

So I think it portrays some powerful things that, you know, following Christ is not

always easy.

There are going to be temptations to fall away, to go back to her old way of life.

But for me, when Mary Magdalene returns, the disciples actually go and bring her back, she

feels extremely guilty about it.

And she's kind of like, Jesus, why would you take me back?

And Jesus says something to the effect of, it wouldn't be much of a redemption if you could lose it in a day.

And so again, complete scenes, not explicitly biblical, but

conveying a very important truth that I firmly believe we

cannot lose our redemption, not in a day, not ever.

And that Jesus understands the difficulties we face, and there's no

unforgivable sin in the sense of having a difficulty, having doubts, having struggles,

that Jesus understands.

Obviously, we still need to seek his forgiveness, confess those sins to him, but it's not as

if sinning causes us to lose our relationship with Christ.

So I think the scene portrays it powerfully, but almost that entire set, that entire

episode is artistic license.

But I think it portrays a powerful biblical point.

It just doesn't use explicit scenes that are in the Bible.

I think that's okay.

I see the same thing in songs that we sing.

There's a lot of songs that we use in churches that help to sort of explore

further ideas that are in the Bible and put them in more words or put them in different words.

I've liked some of the things I've seen in The Chosen in that sense, that they're taking ideas that are not

stated in explicit verbal syllables in the Bible, but they are

part of the teaching of the Bible that are being explained in there.

One that I know that some people struggle with, but I think is very reasonable, is one that talks about the

idea of Jesus growing, Jesus learning as a person.

And that's something that the Bible does say.

It said that he grew in wisdom and stature.

And there's even a scene I remember, it struck me as being interesting because I thought to myself, that's going to

get people's attention where Jesus is talking to John the Baptist and he makes a comment and then says,

maybe not the best example when he's talking about it.

I remember thinking, oh, that's going to bother somebody.

But to me, that doesn't strike me as being a problem because Jesus being

sinless, for example, didn't mean that he was a perfect student at math or that he was born

knowing how to carve a chair correctly and that his father never needed to teach him those things.

So the idea that we're explicitly separating human error

from sin is an important thing.

And I think in that sense, that artistic license and things like The Chosen actually sort of gives us an opportunity to

explore those issues when we talk to people.

I found The Chosen to be very good at bringing up conversations about, hmm, could

that have really happened?

Or what does the Bible actually say?

And is this plausible?

Is this biblical?

And I found it actually has pointed a lot of people back to scripture and gotten a lot of conversations

started and helped people to think deeper about the gospel.

I mean, the other scene that we've received a lot of questions about is the scene where Jesus is

practicing the Sermon on the Mount that he has.

He has Matthew with him.

Matthew's taking notes, writing down the different words he says.

And some people said, well, Jesus wouldn't need to practice the sermon.

It's like, well, Jesus as God would need to practice.

But Jesus as God also would need to eat or sleep or drink or nap.

But yet the Bible describes him doing all of those things.

So we have to remember Jesus is fully God and fully human.

So could Jesus have downloaded the perfect sermon straight from heaven into his brain and

not practice it?

Of course he could.

But in him living as a human being, there's no reason to think

he wouldn't need to practice a sermon or have someone give him feedback on it.

Maybe he could say it this way instead of this way.

But that scene is probably, of all the scenes so far, my favorite scene in the whole Chosen is when

Jesus is practicing the sermon and then he turns to Matthew.

And just previous to this, the other disciples were giving Matthew a really hard time.

He's being a tax collector and you shouldn't even be here.

I don't know why Jesus chose you and all that.

So Matthew's going into this kind of depressed or hurt.

And when Jesus is saying, blessed are you, when people persecute you and say all sorts of

false things about you, he actually is looking directly at Matthew, saying those words to Matthew.

And to me, that was powerful.

That was completely artistic license in terms of we don't know if

Jesus practiced it, if Matthew was there, if he's taking notes or anything, but just to make that

scene so personal to me was like, wow, I loved that particular scene, even though it

was entirely artistic license.

I'm definitely comfortable with those aspects.

I do like the idea of exploring different concepts, the whole idea of Matthew and his anxiety, his

personality, and those sorts of things.

Now, again, just because of the way I'm wired, I look at that and wonder if 35 or 40 years from

now, I'm going to hear somebody expositing on scripture and saying, well, because we know that Matthew was

autistic or because of his Asperger's or whatever, just like we get with other things, somebody somewhere is going to

pick up and run with that.

And that's where we do need to be careful.

But I like the idea of presenting this, that God isn't kidding around when he says

he uses all people in all circumstances for his glory.

It's not reasonable to assume that every single one of the 12 apostles was

a very intelligent, very articulate, very normal, in quotes, kind of a person.

It makes more sense that people would look at this group that Jesus put together and say what fishermen

and tax collectors and people like this.

So to extend that to saying here are people who have perspectives and personalities that are not exactly what

the world looks like.

Again, discernment's important.

And I guess one thing we should probably keep emphasizing is that the purpose of talking about something like the

chosen is not to try to tell people you should absolutely watch this without any reservation,

without any thought, without any concern, just let it wash over you.

But the opposite is also not true.

You don't want to watch or refuse to watch it because you just insist on saying there is no

possible room.

Discernment's important.

We need to remember when I look at a painting of somebody's representation

of Jesus, I got to remember that's not a photograph.

I'm looking at somebody's interpretation.

If I'm going to watch the chosen, I have to remember that somebody's interpretation.

So in that sense, it's not really different from a lot of other medium.

Just maybe to conclude our talk about artistic license, anytime you're taking scripture

and events that happen in scripture and portraying them in video, you're using artistic license.

If you use any words other than direct quotes of scripture, that's artistic license.

If you portray anything about what they looked at, look like, what the scenery looked like, what the buildings look like, all

of that is artistic license because scripture does not give those sorts of details.

So before you criticize artistic license, maybe you need to consider how impossible it'd be

to portray anything in the Bible on video without using a significant amount of it.

So moving to maybe part two, the second most common

concern that people have about the chosen is the fact that the production company is owned by

Mormons, and some people want to search every square inch of the chosen,

the episodes to try to find some evidence of Mormon influence.

So Sarah, why don't you address that?

In your research and looking at this, what have you found about the relationship between the chosen and

Mormonism and whether or not there's any sort of influence over the content of

the chosen?

Sure.

So their distribution company,.

Angel Studios, was started by two Mormon guys.

So their distribution studios are a Mormon organization, but one would argue, is

your mailman a Christian?

Like, this is just the delivery system for the content that's created.

They did film, their first set was in Utah, on a set that was

owned by the Church of Latter -day Saints of Jesus Christ, the Mormon church.

And they are the first non -Mormon production to gain access to that set and be

allowed to use it.

And I think that's why people were concerned that like, oh, in order to get on that set, you must have had

to change what you were going to film or what you were going to teach.

And the answer is no, there were no strings attached.

There are three writers of the show, Dallas Jenkins, who created it, and then two co -writers with him.

All three are evangelicals, and they use a consulting group.

They've got three people, biblical consultants.

One is a Catholic priest, one is a Messianic Jewish rabbi, and one is a

professor of New Testament who's an evangelical.

So out of the three people who are writing the content, they're all

evangelical.

Out of the three people who consult on the show, one is an evangelical.

And they go to that consulting table for information

and not for approval.

So the writers can choose not to be influenced by their

consulting group.

They are simply seeking information when they ask the consultants.

And so in none of those situations where we're actually talking about the content of the show, of what is written,

what's going to be portrayed on screen, nowhere in that line of production is there

any Mormon influence.

It's just at the very end how it's delivered.

And if you're okay with a mailman who might be a Buddhist or an atheist delivering your

mail, then I think it would be okay for a Mormon to deliver a show.

I think it's a fair thing to remember that just because a non -believer, as somebody would define them,

is involved in something doesn't mean it's invalid.

There are plenty of people who build churches and pulpits and work at Bible printing companies

and so on and so forth who have no meaningful faith whatsoever.

If the effect in and of itself is a good thing, then it's a good thing.

I am the kind of person who's cautious when I know or I suspect that there could be some sort of influence

from a source that I might not necessarily agree with.

So for me, I'm able to watch something like The Chosen where I'm aware that that's the case

and I find myself being sensitive to it, not in the sense that I'm paranoid, but I

recognize the source.

And to be honest, I do exactly the same thing when I'm watching the news or when I'm reading something on the internet.

I recognize the source that it's coming from and I keep it on my radar to be aware

of where there could be some sort of a bias.

I don't have to do that in some sort of predatory or cynical way.

And I think it's also very important for people to remember, and I'm going to choose my words very, very carefully, is

that some faiths that do not align with the gospel, that do not align with biblical

truth, deviate from biblical truth in subtle ways.

They are not necessarily catastrophically different in every major category.

So it is entirely reasonable, for example, for somebody who is evangelical,

Catholic, Jehovah's Witness Mormon, to watch something like The Passion of the Christ and

not see something in there that they would find objectionable.

So I think there's a difference between something being theoretically compatible versus somebody inserting something in

there that's dangerous.

So as I've watched shows and I'm sensitive to that, but up until recently, I haven't seen or heard anything that made me

think somebody was doing anything that even had a hint of trying to

insert Mormon doctrine in there.

So let's segue from there.

The most recent issue, the trailer for season three, was released.

And in the trailer, the actor who's portraying Jesus in a confrontation

with, I believe, it's the Pharisees, says, I am the law of Moses,

which is not a biblical quote.

You can argue whether it's theologically accurate or not.

I mean, Jesus is the incarnate word of God.

The law of Moses is part of the word of God.

So in that sense, yes, Jesus is the law of Moses.

But several people have pointed out that this is close to a quote from

the Book of Mormon.

So Sarah, why don't you jump on that?

In your.

Research on this issue, what did you discover?

Sure.

So people asked if Jesus was quoting the Book of Mormon in that scene.

And Dallas Jenkins was quick to say, well, I've never read the Book of Mormon, and I wrote that line.

So no, it was not meant to be a quote from the Book of Mormon.

And one could argue that almost every line Jesus says in the episodes are not from

scripture.

They're just that idea of plausible.

Is it plausible that Jesus could have said this or something like this?

And when he was thinking about the show and where the storyline was going, he felt that it

was plausible that Jesus may respond in that way.

And so that's how the line came to be.

And they're receiving pushback.

And I think it's fair for people to ask the questions and to be looking for those things.

But yeah, as you said earlier, you can argue theologically that that is a plausible line, that

Jesus could have said something similar to that.

And you can argue, well, he didn't say it in scripture, so they really should have chosen.

Different words.

I mean, both sides.

I can see where it's a sore spot, because prior to this point, connections to

LDS had already been something that was on people's concern and radar.

And then something happens where they point at it like it's almost like a smoking gun.

And they say, oh, see, now this is there.

Giving people the benefit of the doubt, more or less.

I can understand that that's entirely possible.

I see something in that trailer.

And in transparency, I look at that, and that's something that makes me go, hmm, that might be the

first thing that I saw that I would say, you know what, I don't know if I care for that phrasing.

And then I have a choice to make.

I got to decide what I want to do with that.

Do I think that that's a big enough deal that I just don't want anything to do with the series anymore?

Everybody's got to make their own decision.

In my personal opinion, I think it just makes me want to go into season three and go, well,

let's see what the surrounding ideas and attitudes are around that.

You know, remember, we're two seasons in about to start season three.

I believe they said they're going to do seven seasons, something like that.

So we have a lot of material to go through.

Even people who watch secular shows have talked about how, you know, sometimes things start off well and then dive off the

cliff.

I really hope that doesn't happen with this, but I don't, I don't have to right now commit myself to

being completely in love with every episode that ever comes out or to, you know, condemn people who

go into it.

I don't know that I would have chosen that particular line.

I get the theological chain that a person can go through Romans chapter 10 and other

statements like that, where you can, you can make the alignment.

It's definitely cool.

I think is the way Dallas Jensen put it or Jenkins, but I cool is not necessarily my,

my main interest in something like that, but I can, I can understand where it's coming from.

Yeah.

I mean, my first reaction to that is like, yeah, I wouldn't have said it that way.

Something as simple as I am the fulfillment of the law or the

law that you're trying to criticize me with actually points to me, which would have been more scriptural

statements.

But again, and again, it's a trailer.

We don't know the context of what's actually going on the rest of the conversation, which may clarify why he, the

actor portraying Jesus says it in that way.

But I guess maybe let's conclude this episode with,

it surprises me how harshly negative

some people are towards the chosen.

I'm, I have no interest in promoting it.

I have no interest in condemning it.

I would say if you want to watch the series, use discernment and don't allow the

chosen or any other video of a Bible scene to influence how you understand the Bible, but

the vitriol, the hatred, almost the nitpicking, trying so hard to find

anything possible that might be can be used against it.

I don't, I don't get it.

I don't see the reasoning for it again, because I've just not agreed with every scene, not agreed with

every wording.

I would have done some things differently, but overall, I see a series of people trying to

portray some like behind the scenes things about the Bible or portraying how things

could have happened.

That the Bible is a cover filling in some of the backstory of some of the characters.

And I I've for the most part really enjoyed it.

I just, I don't understand the criticism in the

and every motive of Dallas Jenkins and other people involved being questioned under

the worst possible assumptions.

I, I really don't get it.

I mean, if you too, I know you've witnessed the same thing, but what, what maybe, what are your feelings about

why some people are being so.

Negative about the chosen?

To give people the benefit of the doubt.

I often think it comes from a place of they're passionate about the

truth of who God is.

And they're worried that Jesus might be portrayed in a way that isn't true to

scripture.

And they're worried that people might be led astray.

And I think that's a noble desire to want people to know the truth, to want people

to be in scripture, to want people to not be tricked or

led astray or believing in a fake Jesus.

So I try to ascribe those positive intentions to people who have

strong negative feelings toward the chosen.

But I do end up with you Shay of the idea of like, look, if you're watching it in a way where you

understand, this is not scripture, this is not some special revelation from God.

The creators of the show are not claiming that these things actually happened.

And this is what Jesus did.

If you are watching it, understanding that it is a television show from the imagination of its

creator.

But that might add some context or some helpful ways to envision it when you're

reading scripture for yourself.

Then I think it is appropriate that if you enjoy the show and you want to watch it and it's helpful to you, go

ahead.

I come down to the.

Same similar conclusion.

For me, I think it can actually be in a strange way.

Satan knows how to use our attempts at being pious to become distractions.

There's places in the New Testament where Paul even says, don't get involved in arguments about certain subjects.

And he brings up things like genealogies and laws and stuff like that.

And those are factual things.

It's not like those are things where there's no correct answer.

Somebody's right and somebody's wrong on those, but not every argument is necessarily worth having.

And the New Testament also talks about not being judged by somebody else's conscience.

I agree.

I think a lot of people are coming from a sincere place.

They're trying to do the right thing.

They're trying to stay away from heresy.

They're concerned about some sort of insidious influence that's going to pull away from the truth of the

gospel.

I remind people frequently that we need to be careful that we're taking that same level of skepticism

across the board.

In other words, when I'm listening to my pastor preach, am I nitpicking his words to that level?

When I listen to a song on the radio, am I taking that level of skepticism?

You can do what we call eisegesis or reading into.

You can read into something

that's unfair and then create controversy about it.

Discernment is obviously the key.

You shouldn't be watching anything, listening to anything, talking about anything without some level of discernment.

And I think that we can establish a difference between somebody saying, eh, it's just not my thing.

I'm not really comfortable with that level of artistic license.

So no, I'm not interested in watching it and I don't want to watch it.

I think that's reasonable.

But I think if we, if we take that to a level of saying that this is, I have a hard time,

you know, grasping the idea that this is a, an evil satanic attack, that's meant to just drag everybody away from

the faith.

I think if you don't like it, you don't watch it.

And if you do like it, you do have to be careful not to take it too seriously because it is not actual

scripture.

Excellent points, both of you.

And I like how we're concluding here.

Just this is not, this episode is not an endorsement or a condemnation of the chosen.

I think we're all equally agree.

And other members of the Got Question staff who've watched it all agree.

This is a matter of personal conviction about discernment, whether you watch it or not.

I think we've all found scenes that we found.

I really like how that was portrayed.

And we've each found once, eh, I would have done it that way, but that's a matter of using discernment.

So if you've been encouraged in your faith, encouraged to study scripture more,

do the chosen, please continue watching.

If it all bothers you, if it just turns you into wanting to nitpick, well, maybe there's

something more productive you could be doing with your time.

But, and also as a lesson, let's not in our seeking to uphold the truth and

point people to Christ, let's not become so critical that we go to an outrageous level

of finding a demon behind every stone.

Not every mistake or artistic choice is Satan attempting to lead someone astray.

So let's not take things too far, even in being discerning.

So this has been the Got Questions podcast discussing the chosen with season three coming out soon.

So hope our conversation has been beneficial to you.

So Sarah, Jeff, thank you for joining me today.

As always, with anything, whether it's, as Jeff was saying, your pastor's sermon, a book you're reading, a song you're listening to,

always compare with scripture and only accept what is in full agreement with God's word.

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