July 17, 2017 Show with Greg Nichols on “God’s Love: Indiscriminate or Particular?”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnton, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Monday on the 17th day of July 2017, and it's my honor and privilege and joy to have back on the program someone who is definitely one of my favorite guests, Greg Nichols, who is one of three pastors at Grace Emanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and he is the author, among other things, Lectures in Systematic Theology, and I believe the first two volumes are out now.

I know for certain that the first one is, and we'll be hearing more about that series, and today we are addressing one of the most controversial issues that divides the body of Christ, and that's an understanding of God's love.

Is God's love indiscriminate or particular? And if you have any questions about that issue for Pastor Greg Nichols, our email address is ChrisArnton at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Pastor Greg Nichols.

I'm sorry, brother, we had you on.

Mute accidentally. You want to repeat that? Great, and in studio with me is the Reverend Buzz Taylor,.

Who's my co-host today. Hello again, and by the way, don't feel bad about that, Greg. He also.

Keeps my mic turned on a lot. And there are very important reasons for that, but anyway. Before we go into the subject at hand, God's love, tell us something about Grace Emanuel Orphan Baptist Church of Grand Rapids, Michigan.

I know that I've asked you to explain and describe your church before, but it seems, Pastor Greg, that every day I'm getting emails from listeners, new listeners, who are discovering the program for the first time, who have fallen in love with it, and so there may be many people that have never heard you before on this program and don't know anything about Grace Emanuel Orphan Baptist Church.

So if you could describe this congregation.

For our listeners. We do have, as you said, 300 folks on a Sunday morning, 150 on a Sunday night, people that love the Lord, mixed group of people, various backgrounds, ethnic makeup.

And tell us about the lectures and systematic theology that you have written and also are in the process of writing, and how many volumes you intend to eventually produce. Oh, okay.

With regard to that, it's been my stewardship to teach systematic theology, 1970 Reformed Baptist Seminary, and Bill Beeky's publishing. And then the second volume is the Doctrine of Man, and that volume should be out, reformatting it into a six-by-nine format.

Great. And I know any volumes. I hope if I live long enough to complete it, God willing, we hope to have seven volumes, the Doctrines of God, of the Church, of the Christian life.

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But, well, thank you very much, brothers and sisters, for that, because that's how Iron Sharpens Iron remains on the air, is when you patronize those who are sponsoring this program. Well, as you know, Pastor Greg, we are talking about something that divides, brothers in Christ, an issue that is central to the Christian gospel.

It's essential to Christian theology. It's essential to the core message of the Bible itself from cover to cover, and that is God's love. And we have titled this discussion God's Love, Indiscriminate or Particular, where we would believe that those who are outside of the doctrines of sovereign grace, outside of reform theology or Calvinism, however you want to nickname that, you have those who basically says that God loves every single human that has ever lived, and whoever will live, identically.

We are all loved equally in the same way by God. And, of course, there may be some differences amongst even those outside of Calvinism, how they would explain that. And then you have, on the other extreme, those from our camp who are theologically reformed, who would accurately quote from the Apostle Paul in Romans 9 that Jacob God loved, but Esau he hated, but they will leave it there without any further explanation and without taking into consideration the whole counsel of God.

And basically what we're doing here today is having you give us a broader picture of what the love of God is and how that is demonstrated and so on. So I understand that you believe that there are basically three different aspects of God's love that we should be discussing today.

Yes, as I was saying to you before, a general love that God, he has a special people that he redeemed from Egypt, which is why I use redemptive, and because it's a social love that.

He has. And well, let's start with the general love that God has. There are even Calvinists who disagree with one another as to what the Gospel of John is really talking about when John says that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever so believeth shall have eternal life.

When John is referring to this love of the world, there are even Calvinists who say he's speaking about every individual. There are others that say no, he's only talking about those who are out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

But is this in reference to the general love, or is this specifically about those for whom he died?

Well, like you say, that text is a controversial text. I think the general idea that God loves, that is brought out by Warfield, and by using the word world, is that God has love for sinners. He has love for sinners from every kindred, tribe, and tongue.

That is love in bringing them out of God loves. I think probably most people would agree on that. So I'd like to just leave that one there, that God loves sinners. And as far as the general love that you believe exists,.

That God demonstrates, even the fact that his blessings reign upon the just and the unjust, that we are all not on this planet going through misery and starvation and persecution in an equal measure all over this world, and even the reprobates that exist on this planet, men and women and children that we don't know and will never know, perhaps on this earth, that they are reprobates, unless we know for certain that they die without Christ.

But even they have received many blessings from God. The fact that they are still living and have air in their lungs and a beating heart is a sign of that. But if you could go on further.

With your explanation of that. Okay. Let me just say one thing, and it is this. It's a logical question, and I'm not really a polemicist, but my focus is on systematic theology that pertains to and opens up comprehensively the major themes.

The themes of the book, to my judgment, especially relate to this question of God's reality and the doctrine of God, the sovereignty of God. Then the second aspect of it, though it's an aspect of God's goodness, and I open up God's goodness in the doctrine, the other aspect, and love, the doctrine of man, and some have objection to the term grace, but I call it common grace, but I'm referring to God's common favor or kindness, and God multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it.

And yet in Genesis chapter 9, after Noah and his son, and we are on earth today, belong to that fame, alive on earth today, his favor that he shows to us in the light of our relationship to our ancestor Noah, and he says to Noah and to his son, so this involves us, and God blessed them, same as to Adam and Eve, and God blessed them, be fruitful, replenish the earth, same blessing, comment, that same word, that same idea, blessing, because we are Noah's children, we enter in to that favor that is common to the foundation of.

Well, now, since you've established.

That there is a degree of love or an aspect of love, a kind of love that God has for all of his creation and all of humanity, there obviously must be a distinction, because he obviously does not love everyone equally as a father loves a child or as a husband loves his bride.

Those two aspects of his love appear from the scriptures to be uniquely and.

Solely for his church, for his elect, am I right? Yes, I agree with your comment, but if I may, let me first explain to you the reason that I think the Lord Jesus' terminology, he uses, you have heard, as you have heard that verse 43 -45, you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but I say to you, and here's the word, love, and why should you do that?

The sons of your who is in heaven. So in other words, we should love our end so that we may be like, that we may reflect to be sons of, and how does our father love his enemies? Then he says, he makes his son to rise on the evil and on the good, and he sends pain on the just and on the unjust.

So he's talking about all Noah's children, and he blesses them with life, sunshine, with rain, with the provisions for life, sustenance of life. He gives to all life and breath and all things, and he does that even for his enemy.

And we, like he loved his enemies, should love our enemies and be sons of our father. And then again, in Luke chapter 6, verse 35 and 36, he says this, but love your enemies, for your reward will be great.

You will be sons of the most high. Again, when we love our enemies, we've been added. And then he says, for he is kind for the unthankful and evil, even as your father is in the context, the word that he uses for kind, the word that he uses for love, and that may be a little too detailed, but the point is, Jesus is very clear in expressing the fact that when God blesses all Noah's descendants alive on earth today with life and breath and all things and sunshine and rain out of kind, out of love and explicit, we're justified in using the word love to his creatures and all.

Yes, just like we are supposed to, we are commanded to love our neighbor, but we are not supposed to love other women as we love our wives. Obviously that would not only be wrong, but it would be a damnable sin.

So there is a distinction between the different aspects of love, but it's nonetheless still love that we are to demonstrate, just as.

God does. Yes, that you're raised there. Certainly we would not be setting up what love means. You love your enemy, love your wife, and love for all this love that God has for enemies. It involves good.

We mustn't think that it means that God, not a love of delight, where it says that the wicked and him that loves violence, his soul hate. He doesn't delight in the wicked he hates. And yet at the same time, he has benevolent kindness.

And in that, what are you saying then? You're saying he loves them and hates them at the same time? Yes. I'm saying in the sense of delight, he doesn't delight in them, but he detests them. And yet at the same time, he has goodwill for them.

And Jesus uses the word love in that sense in those texts.

Now, there is obviously also a distinction between the unique particular love that he has for his elect, his church, as opposed to the love that he generally has for all of humanity, because the love for his elect is permanent, is it not?

Obviously, if hell exists, and if hell will be inhabited by people, that love that he had for mankind in general could.

Not be a permanent and eternal love. That common grace has limits. And what is the second aspect out of the three different kinds of love? I'm just going to open that up for you, okay? Okay, great. Let me just, in summary, in a general sense, God's love is his unselfish, and there are three, it's his unselfish and generosity as creator that he has for all creatures.

Even it's the unselfish goodwill and generosity that he has for the people that he redeemed from Abraham's physical descendants. And that involves a special affection for them, a unique attack, and an irrevocable commitment to benefit the redemption from Egypt.

But then there's the unselfish and generosity that he has as the redeemer of his people in Christ, that he redeems from sin and wrath. And this is a delighted and irrevocable resolve to bless with the unconditioned, and therefore in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavens.

And this embrace, so that's how I relate those little redemptive experiences. And then there's that special redemptive love that is a special... The Reverend Buzz Taylor has something to ask you.

Or say. So how would this affect our witness as far as talking to the lost and saying, well, for example, God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life, that kind of an approach.

To sinners? Well, yeah, I understand that, I guess, but it depends on what you mean by love.

And what you mean by plan. That certainly can't be wonderful for everybody. Well, I didn't write that statement, that was Bill Branson. And the way that it's more typically used today is, God loves you and died for you.

And that is being used in an indiscriminate way to everyone, regardless of whether they are Christians or not. Obviously, a Christian needs to be reminded of that on occasion, that God loves you and died for you, if they are going through some kind of trial or something.

But to indiscriminately walk up to people that you don't even know, who might even be demonstrating hostility to the gospel, to say to them, God loves you and died for you. Isn't that wrong? I mean, there's nowhere in Scripture where you see.

A Christian telling an unbeliever that. Well, what you gentlemen are raising now has to do with, okay, I've given you the concept of love, right? Now, how does that apply to the accomplishment of redemption, and how do you relate that general affection, or not affection, sorry, that general, and does that relate to the accomplishment of redemption in Christ's death?

And then, the second thing related to it, how does it apply to the application of redemption through the gospel? Which would have to do with the free offer, and regeneration, and free offer, and the design of the death of Christ.

So, those are questions that we can get into, but those are pretty big subjects and topics, and I have no problem trying to address.

Them, because we've got some time here. Yeah, you can address them right when we come...

The answer to those questions in perspective, that's where those questions...

Yeah, you can address them when we return from our station break right now, and if anybody else would like to join us, we do have several people already waiting to have their questions asked, and answered by you, Pastor Greg, but if anybody else would like to join them, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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For many years to come. Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is Greg Nichols, pastor of Grace Emanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan, an author of lectures in systematic theology with seven volumes planned to be in that set with two already written and at least one published.

Have the first two already been.

Published or is it just the first? Second is in the process of being published. Hopefully, God willing, would be published by Christmas of 2017. Right. And you could go to solid-ground-books .com.

To order those. And we are discussing today God's love, indiscriminate or particular. And before the break, you were about to address the common evangelistic method of informing people, no matter who they are, no matter how much they either love or hate the gospel of Jesus Christ, that God loves them and died for them, or Christ loves them and died for them.

Saying that the general idea of God's love and how it has these three, does it apply to the application? If I may, I would like to read from a document, not the Bible, but a document. Because we are talking about doctrine.

As long as it's not the Book of Mormon or the Pearl of Grace Great Price. No, it's not that. Sorry about that. I think that's another program, brother. This was published in the 1600s, 1719. It's called the Canons of Redemption and Visible Balance.

It's five points of the Arminian Remonstrance. Chapter one is the plan of redemption. Chapter two, the accomplishment of redemption. Chapter three, the application of redemption applied completely. Under the second, read all of it.

This is the promise of the shall not perish, but have everlasting promise and published to all nations and, and without distinction whom God out of his good pleasure sends the gospel. As many who are called by the gospel do not repent owing to any defect by Christ upon the cross to themselves.

Article seven, but as many as truly believe, save from sin, indebted solely to the grace of God, given them in Christ from everlasting and not to any merit of their published without description promise published.

And if people reject that, the reason they rejected is not due to believe it. The credit is not due to any merit. Amen. And this is now, now, then let me get to what they say about, that's what they talk about with regard to the gospel.

Then with regard to the death of Christ, that is described in article eight of Christ, the length of the will of God, that Christ by the blood of the cross, people, tribe, nation, and language, eternity chosen to salvation and given to him design intent, the will of God with regard to the redeem, all the elect, and then from all sin and that he should free from sin to the enjoyment of glory forever.

I'm taking just the major heads of it. There's a whole lot more words in there. That's of Christ. This was God's will. God's will was that he would redeem the elect from all their sins and bring them to glory.

That's why Christ died. That's God's will. Then they say in the final article, article nine, this purpose done. This is what will indescribably redeeming. Now, again, we could go into biblical testimony to support that.

This is why Christ died, redeem us from all in that paragraph. Amen. And by the way, I want to give a quick plug.

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It's a very brief, attractive booklet. And you could order these for the tract rack in your church. You could give them out, as we were saying before, promiscuously to all those whom you know. And it's an excellent little volume.

Now, going back to what we were saying, to perhaps correct the language of our Arminian and non-reformed friends who desperately want to continue telling every single person that Jesus loves you and died for you, would it not be more biblically correct to tell people that Jesus loves sinners and paid the price for their sins on Calvary, but not being specific as to the person that you're talking to?

Because that person may be heading for hell and may wind up there. When that statement, if you tell everyone willy-nilly indiscriminately that Jesus died for them, then therefore you would be lying to them.

If they wind up in hell. Am I not right? Yes. I think that saying that Jesus died for you is saying more than we know. Right. When we're talking to people...

You know, and in fact, I can recall as a lost person, as a lost teenager, I can recall when my brother, who had become a born-again Christian, and I can recall other people who I was eventually beginning to meet the older I got in my teen years who were born again, because when I was a child, I don't recall meeting anybody that was a born-again Christian who was evangelizing me.

But when I was getting older, I was hearing that phrase presented to me, Jesus loves you and died for you. I remember taking a certain amount of comfort in that proclamation not to change. You know, why would you need to repent?

Jesus loves me. He died for me. If he died for me, that means my sins have been paid for. Well, thanks. Thanks for that information. Now let me get back to my barstool. You know what I mean? I mean, there seems to be no.

Real reason for anybody to repent if that statement is true. Can I now go to the issue of the application of redemption? Yes, go to whatever you'd like to go to. Well, you know, I want to be considerate.

I want to go to what the Canons of Dort have to say about that. Now, this is under the third chapter. Actually, total depravity is often presented as tulip. The way the Canons of Dort actually presents it is the unconditional election, that they go to limited total depravity, and there is application of redemption to sinners that are in and unable to rest.

And so they start, and then of course they again mention the gospel being preached to those that are dead in their sins. And this is what they say with regard to that. Regeneration and regeneration, just like they relate the proclamation of the gospel, and in art of many, as are called by the gospel, unfeignedly called.

So it's not just permitted. Unfeignedly, as many as are called by the gospel, are unfeignedly called. And here is where the Canons of Dort address the issue of the so-called well-meant, well-intentioned, sincere, unfeigned offer of the gospel.

It's not just indiscriminate. It's unfeigned. Many as are called by the gospel are unfeignedly called, for God has most earnestly and truly declared in his word what will be acceptable to him. Namely, that all who are called should comply with the invitation.

This is what God finds acceptable. This is what pleases him. This is what he wants. This is what he unfeignedly desires. I mean, this is strong language, Chris. As many as are called by the gospel are unfeignedly called, for God has most earnestly and truly declared in his word what will be acceptable to him.

Namely, that all who are called should comply with his invitation. And moreover, seriously, eternal life and rest to as many as shall come to him and believe on him. So, you're offering the gospel. You're telling sinners, repel his disposition.

He really means it. He seriously promises, all in a state of sin, that if they come to Jesus, they will be saved. He unfeignedly calls them, because he is pleased with, it's acceptable to him, that they would comply with the call.

Then he goes, now again, then they have to go back, well, people don't comply. What about that? It is not the fault of the gospel, nor of Christ offered therein, nor of God, who calls men by the gospel, those who are called by the ministry of the word refuse to come and be converted.

The fault lies in themselves. And then it goes on to underscore again, that if you do believe, it's because it's all of grace. And then the reality of regeneration, generating work of God, creating faith in the hearts of that enables them to comply.

And that he works this special regenerative work only in the elect, even though he unfeignedly calls all the hearers of the gospel, he sovereignly regenerates only.

Now, could that be expressed in Matthew 23, 37, where Jesus says, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

Is that kind of a summary of what you've said through Jesus's own words?

Yes, when I address the issue of God's perspective, 14 of Doctrine of God context, and I give my reasons there, and I'd be willing to do that in a minute, very thing. I know there are some people that say that Christ is only speaking as a man, but I feel like...

Yeah, we have to go to another break right now, so you can address it when we return.

All right. Do you have time for me to read the statement on regeneration or not?

Not right now, because we have to go to a break, but you can read it when we come back. This is our elongated break that we have to do to comply with Grace Life Radio in Lake City, Florida. They require a 12-minute break between our two segments, so we will be back after these messages with more of Pastor Greg Nichols and God's love, so please don't go away.

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