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Well grings welcome to the dividing line it is advent season and I've had a very very very busy day and We're just sneaking a program in here on a

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Thursday. Don't know what next week's gonna look like, you know, how Next week is gets busy.

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My wife needs to make nuts and bolts, you know, nuts and bolts is that's checks mix. I Need to convince her to start putting the the peanuts back in she's she's given up on the peanuts, but My again my mom had this great recipe for checks mix

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It's better than the stuff you buy in the store. It really is by a long shot But I what I don't understand is it's not all that good the first day.

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I mean once you get done with It's the next day. It's got it. How does that even

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I don't even know how that works. That's Well, it's soaked in and there is a lot of butter

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Oh That that makes it keto, right Yeah Anyway Everybody's going.

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Mm -hmm. And my wife now makes it really really well. It's it's great stuff. Um, I hold in my hand rich gave us to me the

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December 2022 Edition of the Salt Lake City Messenger. Now. I don't know when we started getting this

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I Really don't Utah Lighthouse Ministry P .o.

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Box 1884 that's been the same for Decades and decades now

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Gerald and Sandra Tanner Gerald went to be with the Lord number of years ago and Sandra Announced her retirement

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A few weeks ago effective March 1st of 2023, so just a matter of weeks from now and So the

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Utah Lighthouse Ministry bookstore Now you weren't you were not on that first trip

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That was me start Wagner Dave Wagner He was

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I thought it was in the the television ministry with me I Thought it was who else Well, Mike Dave Warner Dave Warner, sorry,

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Dave Dave Warner me and Mike, wasn't it? I can't remember

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That was a long time ago That was 84 ish around 84 ish.

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I was before your time Barely it was oh That's interesting rich said that he had run into Dave Warner at the

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McDonald's he worked at and David told him about what happened because that wasn't an easy trip for Dave Oh He was he was a little shell -shocked.

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Yeah, we tried to we tried to do trick. So this is We were kids Okay when we started this ministry we were kids and We just wanted to go witness to Mormons Salt Lake City we heard about the general conference and So we borrowed

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Alan Willis's car. I can't believe he let us do that And we drove through the night

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We left Friday afternoon. I think after Dave got off work or something. Yeah, that's right.

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We drove through the night To Saturday morning and the whole reason for this is we went to Gerald and Santa Tanner's house 1350

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Southwest Temple, it's not on here. But I remember that so the bookstore was 1350

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Southwest Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah and we

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Showered and changed clothes in the basement So we could spend all day

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Passing out tracks at the general conference and Then we drove home that night

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Do you have any idea how dangerous and stupid that was? No, no, we would go up No, but but we would not we didn't do it.

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We never did it that way again. We would drive up And stay the night

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Friday night See we drove them through the night you and Mike would but for a number of years after I got involved

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Either Mike would spearhead For the first couple of years Mike was down here

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You were already up there and we'd all drive all night long. You'd have but then we'd stay the night.

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We didn't drive back Oh, we did. Wow. That was for a while. Yeah. Yeah, that's cuz we had to work and yeah

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I mean, yeah, I got up work that sleep is just stupidity. Yeah Lord the

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Lord protected us big time and But yeah, Dave we trained

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Dave this is not how to do it, okay learn from our mistakes We all the way up.

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We're trying to train Dave on Mormonism. That's that's a crash course and It did not take

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Very long and we weren't even to the South Gate. We're at the North Gate. I Remember Dave going

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James and he is he is surrounded He is his back is against one of the pillars of the gate.

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He is surrounded by hungry Mormons and I waited in there and and Dave was in my back pocket the rest of the day and I Just Wow But that first time up Gerald and Sandra let us

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Get changed in their in their basement and and go out and do our do our witnessing and That's what started it all.

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I mean we did that for years and years and years Eventually, we figured out how to do it more safely You know you spend the night before at the hotel six motel six

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We stayed at two different motel sixes. There's one up on out near the airport and then one downtown and And then, you know would stay that night

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You know, so you'd you'd drive with Acceptable amount of sleep much more much safer that way

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But yeah get it in now or I'm gonna cuz cuz so the point being that I Should have grabbed my copy of Mormonism shadow reality

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But Everyone Almost everyone who has done anything in The field of witnessing the

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Mormons from the 1970s onward Has been dependent for so much of their research and so much of their material and so much of their

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You look at this source. Look at that source put these things together Upon Gerald and Sandra Tanner and of course, you know after Gerald's passing on standard

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Tanner She has undoubtedly driven many people in the church to utter distraction.

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I Remember so clearly during the white salamander letter debacle

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We were saved from having egg on our face because we

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You know, everybody Everybody was jumping on it. Everybody was going. Oh see here. Here's evidence of Joseph Smith, you know, blah blah you know forgeries and all the rest of stuff and in the middle of all of it, there's

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Gerald and Sandra going We don't think this this stinks this we don't think this is real and you would think if Anyone would just jump on something

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A lot of you don't know what the white sound Mark Hoffman, man. We are going what what years were that was in the 80s at some point forget what year it was

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But you you may have seen I know that Kelly saw a thing on Online somewhere there was about the more

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I think it's called the Mormon murders or whatever it was up there something like that was Mark Hoffman story and For those of you who are too young to know about all the stuff

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Mark Hoffman was turned out to be a forger a very good forger who even fooled the

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LDS Church and then when people started to find out about it, he used nail bombs to kill

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I think at least two people and Then was going to deliver another one when it went off under his seat

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And So he was exposed and You know the church had egg on hit its face because it had believed that these documents were real

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But there have been a lot of other folks a lot of big ministries Yes, they did.

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Yeah. Yeah, they they had given this guy money in the whole nine yards and But the tanners had just gone

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Something wrong with this There's something wrong we don't believe it and they went against the flow, even though the church had accepted the

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LDS Church accepted it and all the big ministries Ed Decker all these guys are going.

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Hey, I'm pushing it and they're like, nope, and we just went We ain't smart enough to know for ourselves we ain't up there and if Gerald and Sandra Tanner aren't sold

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We're not running with it either and so In all those things

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You know that the tanners have always shown themselves to be really focused upon what the real issue was and Just desirous of Being available to help

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Mormons come to know the truth when they start realizing that all is not well but there just wasn't anything like them before them and Books like Mormonism shouted reality

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Moody picked that up and called it Published it under the title the changing world of Mormonism. It was a abbreviated version.

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I assure you And it wasn't easy reading their stuff for years and years. I mean, I remember the first time we visited

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I don't they would I Don't know what the type type of binding was

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There's they're all they're over here on the on the shelf here grab grab No, well, okay if you've got some out there too, but mine are right here in the office here

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I don't know what the kind of binding was called. It wasn't the most expensive thing in the world, but literally they would have rooms with these shelves built up and You'd you'd pull

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Away the other day So there's okay. Yeah, there's there there's the white salamander letter

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wally topes on the front lines witnessing Mormons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, but this is this is why

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I need right here and then is there a copy of Shadow reality in there.

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If not, like I said, that's that's that's a religion manual Right around the corner my doors would open but right around the corner in my office

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You will be able to find shadow reality. Trust me No, yeah, but trust me the doors not open.

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But okay. Sorry. Here's here is one of the more extremely useful see see how they

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These are just photocopied Two -sided photocopied. Well, no, they're one -sided. Oh my goodness

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They're one -sided photocopied pages and I don't know what don't know what you call this this type of binding but a clear plastic

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Cover and a cardboard cover on the back and for years and years and years they would

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And look look how big this book is Jeff any idea the amount of work

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To just put one of these together and that's how they did it that they they live on a shoestring.

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They they sacrificed It would be on the wall this wall facing me or on wherever This is called three thousand nine hundred thirteen changes in Book of Mormon So it was all that Do you know how long that took?

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just to do the the amount of time and effort and dedication that the the

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Tanner's put in Is such an incredible testimony

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To their love for the LDS people they're both former Mormons so their their families were

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LDS and and I don't know how many

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People they themselves saw come out of the LDS Church But they have to realize that so many others, you know, we've seen lots of people leave the

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LDS Church and We were dependent upon them and their information in so so many ways and So to see an era coming to an end

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There in Salt Lake City is It's not sad in any way it is

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And they're doing a big closeout sale. So if you're in the area, I mean, I'm sure there will be some just some incredible of Materials available, but Tremendous.

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Thanks to Gerald and Sandra Tanner and to Sandra who is still living and is retiring

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I'm sure she'll still be doing some speaking and things like that, but running the bookstore and and You know meeting people and stuff like that.

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She's just decided that The too many years have gone by to be able to continue to on a regular regular basis

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And so that's a that's a big thing. You can't cannot find shut. Oh, well

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I Know where it is, but you know what?

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I mean Our highest accolades and thanks to Sandra Tanner I Did of course get to meet

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Gerald number of times in our trips up there not like we were buds or anything like that but and So Be thankful for those who have laid the foundations for all the rest of us who have come later and done what we can to Be witnesses to the

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Moran people Okay, wasn't gonna spend too much time on that but ended up doing so because we started thinking about you know, all sorts of things um,

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I don't know where rich went but He disappeared. So Oh, there is okay, you know, you couldn't even find yours, huh?

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Wow, that's uh, that's very strange. Yeah, no

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I'll walk in there walk out with it like that fast. But anyway

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Yesterday or was the day for yesterday whenever it was When we saw this kind of thing

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Well, come on, thank you took long enough when we saw this kind of thing

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No, no worky it is That's not good we should have test this forehand, huh?

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Because I Need to play some stuff so that's not a good thing at all

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Evidently you do not have my desktop any longer. Huh? I Have no idea what that means

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Yeah, you're you're doing Windows and we're not doing Windows here

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Well, that's not good because everything I everything I have queued up for today requires that this work and this isn't working

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And I don't know why it's not working. It's always worked before Rich has always been able to watch what

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I'm doing and He can't so Well, I'm mirroring everything

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But now it's all okay.

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All right. Well, I Have no idea what's going on or why anything changed.

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I didn't change anything But there you go we all saw this and We had seen earlier in the

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Biden regime a similar thing had happened, but this was after the amazing

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Experience of the United States of America Signing a document that says to the

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God that was referred to by all the Founding Fathers the

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God that Was quoted from his scriptures by the

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Supreme Court and by again all the Founding Fathers We don't want you we hate you we know exactly what you say is right and true and just and good and we hate what's right and true and just and good and we're gonna call what you call an abomination good and anyone who believes and takes a stand that was taken by every president prior to Barack Obama and Even Obama when he ran the first time we are going to Identify all those people as bigots and as people who did not fulfill the

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Founding Fathers Which of course, it's just it is so fantastically rebellious, but it's so fantastically deceived it

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Is so hypocritical No one With a shred of intelligence

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Can believe the idea that this had something to do with how the founders would have viewed this

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What the founders would have done, but this is a fulfillment of Now this is the progressivist vision

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But the quote -unquote progressivist vision Is is utterly disconnected from the foundations that were provided for this nation in Its founding documents and in the worldview out of which it came and so here you have the

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The building that represents the the leadership of the executive branch

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Lit up in colors specifically intended to promote sexual debauchery and perversion and And saying this is what we stand for we stand for sexual debauchery and perversion and so let me

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Play a clip from the man who

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I Know he's reading teleprompters.

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I know he doesn't know what day it is and where he is. I know the man is senile

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But It really seemed to me even though Everyone's seen the clips

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Where number of years ago we saying we don't need that. No, we don't need any Constitutional amendment protecting marriage marriage between a man and when we all know this is such a joke

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No one's thinking, you know all the rest of them. So we just recognize that politicians lie through their teeth and they

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They just adopt whatever the culture wants them to adopt To get power and money and things like that and we know how compromised this man is we know about 100

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Biden's laptop and we know about the Chinese. We know about the Ukrainians and and the whole nine yards It's the the level of corruption and utter

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There is not a shred of moral or ethical capital that this regime could possibly even possess

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They just have to got nothing But still this clip of the comments written by somebody that you know, the people that are actually pulling the strings the marionette

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This is their worldview, this is what they believe so here here are his comments in the most important part of what he had to say as He profaned marriage which he did by his

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Signature use me because they support LGBTQ children and families we have to speak out

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It must stop the hate and violence like we just saw in Colorado Springs for a place of acceptance and celebration

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Was targeted for violence and terror By a transgender guy and It's not a place of celebration.

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It was a gay nightclub Which again the founding fathers would never have accepted would never have even dreamed could be a reality in the

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United States of America But notice again, the spin is always the same It doesn't you know, these are the same people that were saying that police officers were killed in January 6.

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They're just gonna keep repeating it truth history All that stuff is completely irrelevant to them.

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But but it's stop the hate stop the hate it. It's like a They know that through the public education system.

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They have produced a generation of people who do not think they cannot think critically and they can be controlled by emotional buzzwords and so all you have to do is say somebody's hating and Even if you're asking them to hate they will hate as long as it will stop the hate

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That's that's what happens when you create Cowards and that's what that's what we have

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We have we have a generation of cowards that that do not want to be held responsible for their own lives they want to be coddled and taken care of by the government and So all you got to do is say we got to stop the hate.

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Oh, yes, President Biden. Yes, we must stop the hate by hating We need to challenge

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Hundreds of callous cynical laws introducing the state's targeting transgender children we have to challenge those laws where the states are saying a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl and It's stupid insane evil and absurd to allow men to compete with women in sports

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It robs the women of their opportunities it can it can destroy their lives and The only way that's kind of moral insanity

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Can survive is by never allowing The two sides to speak at the same place at the same time

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We already know what the left does and that happens They start screaming. They start banging pots and pans and screaming and turn off all thought and and and debate

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These people will not debate this subject They will not do it. They can't all the facts are against them all the reasoning is against them all they can do is try to get people to emote and Here is the emoter in chief

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He's just been programmed today drugged him up. Got him got him so he could talk and he's emoting

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And he's using all the buzzwords and so all of these laws which are common -sense laws that Represent what the

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United States believed and was about for its entire history. These are what this is what leftist revolutionaries do

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We are we are destroying society, but we're going to cover over our destroying of society through this kind of rhetoric

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That's that's what's coming from the United States government Terrifying families and criminalizing doctors who give children the care they need

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Criminalizing doctors who give children the care they need again pure absurdity from a senile old man being run by evil evil younger people

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That's not care Destroying a female's body Full mastectomies is not care.

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It's not care Calling that care is evil. It is an attack on language injecting poisonous chemicals

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Into ten -year -olds bodies is not care It's murderous

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That's the reality. That's truth. They can't deal with that and so they had quite a group there, but you know who they invited a

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Bunch of sexual perverts is what they invited Drag queens that that that sexualize young children and they're the ones clapping

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Well, there you go. Here's the head of the government United States. How?

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Much farther can we possibly fall? The men of Sodom and Gomorrah would have blushed at this

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The men of Sodom and Gomorrah would have been stunned That anyone could be this perverted so You know, we keep hearing about owing an apology to Sodom Gomorrah Give it time judgment will be fitting we have to protect these children so they know their love and we will stand up for them and Say I can seek for themselves

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You'll notice he was struggling to even read what was on the telegram to that point I think the aviator sunglasses probably don't help with that That didn't make much sense, but but but they're loved and Then something for themselves that he wasn't even sure what he was saying at that point folks racism

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Antisemitism homophobia transphobia. They're all connected. There you go

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There you go. Let's let's connect them all together. We've we've emptied. Well, first of all

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The constant repetition of the term racist has made it a utterly Meaningless word.

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It means nothing You can't define it. It has no substance to it. And so it's just whatever

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Does not bow and scrape to the leftist agenda is racism, which means it's it's nothing it has no meaning

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And then you then you have terms that just don't have any meaning at all transphobia Transphobia homophobia

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Antisemitism, really they're all connected Really if you actually believe

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What she has taught that man is man and woman is woman And you you believe what he?

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Taught regarding God's law that homosexuality is a sin Then that's connected to antisemitism and to racism the the moral and ethical bankruptcy of this kind of simplistic stupid childish

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Rhetoric is Almost it's almost impossible to even come up with the proper terms

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This again not even Pravda Would have gone to this level and and they were known as liars that the whole reason

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Pravda means truth The whole reason that they used in a everybody laughed at it, but but even they wouldn't go

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Even they would recognize the the fact that what we have here is empty airheaded political sloganeering that only 30 years ago would have resulted in utter disaster for this political party

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But not any longer not any longer But the antidote to hate is love

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This law and the law of it defends strike a blow against hate in all its forms

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And that's why this law matters to every single American no matter who you are or who you love

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This shouldn't be about conservative or liberal red or blue no, this is about realizing the promise of the

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Declaration of Independence a promise rooted in a sacred and Secular beliefs

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What? The the Declaration of Independence was rooted in secular beliefs

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What? again pure fantasy pure fantasy every single signer of the

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Declaration of Independence Had they ever heard this man babble these things would have stood there with their mouths open going

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Who is this pervert? What is he talking about You telling me this is the president.

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This is the person in the office that we created for George Washington They'd have no idea what he's talking about.

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Nothing Fulfillings this is When rhetoric is so laughably absurd

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So laughably Fictional It doesn't it shouldn't accomplish anything it is only because of the years and years and years of preparation of the younger generation

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Who simply listen to it and are triggered by particular terminologies?

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They can't then even stop to think does any of this actually make sense. Is there any logical rational reason?

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I should believe any of this does this actually Correlate to reality. Nope, not even think that it doesn't matter makes me feel good,

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I I'm virtue signaling In that great. It's wonderful.

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Yeah a promise that we're all created equal a promise that we're all created equal

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Which means love is love That was one of the terms was used love is love

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Anybody who says love is love? Is a moral and ethical pygmy

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Okay, you don't even you haven't even started to put together a semi

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Meaningful system of morality and ethics if you can go love is love

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Really oh It would just a few years ago

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When we first started hearing that we went oh so a love of an adult for a child is love

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Oh, we're not talking about that. Come on now. It's everywhere Now that's the plus there's your plus It's everywhere.

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That's what is being promoted Love is love polyamory polygamy gay marriage

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Pedophilia bestiality Doesn't matter any form of sexual perversity is now considered the great good that the founders of America were actually promoting and that's what the president of the

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United States is Telling us Love isn't love we all know that and Everyone our society knew that up until just a few

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Um, well really about a decade and a half ago at most and really about a decade ago really with a lot of this

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Five years ago with something that's how fast it's been but Love if it is not defined by an objectively

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Protective definition Will destroy human life every

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Christian Should be the very first person to recall in horror At the phrase love is love everyone, you know, why

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I'll tell you why and you should already know Every boy and girl in the audience every homeschool kid should know

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Why the phrase love is love is an absurdity That should be rejected by every thinking human being

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Christian or not Why love has to have a

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Definition that is consistent with human existence and life and the only people that can explain to you why

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Humans exist the way they do are Those that know the Creator who made them

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Now men's religions in a general sense have gotten pretty close on a lot of things because look there's

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God's God's law is written upon our hearts, but especially

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Christians should recoil because the greatest example of love that we can point to is the cross and Why did the cross have to be the cross?

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because the love of God To be to come to fruition in the lives of his people required that sin evil be dealt with and Be dealt with in such a way as to honor

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God's holiness The same God who is called Holy Holy Holy is the

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God who is called love. God is love And God is holy and so the very idea that love is an amorphous

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Up to you. You get to love whatever you want idea is

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Utterly destructive of what real love actually is which is shown to us in the cross in self -sacrifice in holiness in wrath but today these people

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These moral pygmies Literally want us to believe That we can love anything we want so I can love my neighbor's wife

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Or I can love my neighbor's young daughter Or young son

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It doesn't matter as long as it makes me feel good

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You don't even know what love is if that's how you think you have no concept Not even close there can be no self -sacrifice in that kind of love

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There can be no consistency. No discipline. No steadfastness. No covenant this kind of immorality lowers man beneath the junkyard dog it lowers man below the animals because secularism

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Secularism does same thing Mankind's a cosmic accident Ugly bags of mostly water, right?

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and how one bag of Mostly water fizzes toward another bag of mostly water doesn't matter secular worldview again destructive of humanity destructive of human flourishing destructive of human society human happiness fulfillment everything

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So secularism is it's greatest enemy of the gospel. It's ever been thought of and so here president sacred and secular

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It is so absurd it's hard to even know how to take it apart and we all can we all sensed it we

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I Didn't want to watch it because I knew what I knew what was gonna happen these these these leftists

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Who are who've destroyed everything that's good and right in our heritage

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Rejoicing I did ask when that picture came out.

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I did say paging evangelicals for Biden paging evangelicals for Biden Oh, no answer.

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I think they left the country as well. They should Yeah, right so It's one thing to be able to identify the obvious absurdity

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What's happening in our country today, but it's another thing

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Honestly to say to ourselves We have to be the ones when it all comes apart and it's going to come apart a

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Society based upon this kind of gobbledygook Philosophical moral ethical gobbledygook cannot stand it cannot stand

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It's gonna come apart and we have to be the ones to be able to Dig out of the rubble and say this is why it happened.

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This is how you can keep it from happening again This is the direction we have to go I don't know how long it's gonna take for all the walls to fall in Rich and I were talking before the program

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You know The economy collapses and man you're gonna have riots in the streets You have a lot of people who are gonna be going

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Hey, anybody who can give me a semblance of peace and security. Give me a little bit of food a little bit of electricity

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We'll give you everything else. You can you can run our lives utter totalitarianism

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We need to be telling people that's not the way to go You may be so desperate you're willing to go that direction

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But you need to know that's the way to even worse suffering It'll only get worse if you go that direction

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There there's only one way out of this mess and it's the way that you've been taught to hate have changed hearts to be able to change that direction

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So then in the midst of all that Good old Phil Vischer came up came back along.

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Did you see this? Heard about him Now Phil Vischer wants us all to know he still believes in covenant of marriage and all the rest that kind of fun stuff

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The the progressivists Who are specifically intent upon seeking to undercut?

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the conservative church by pretending Solidarity on certain issues

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They've been around for a long time. They've been amongst us for a long time and They will always talk about well,

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I you know, it's it's like all the Democrats all the Roman Catholic Democrats Who Say well personally,

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I Believe the church is teaching here, but I can't force out anybody else.

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Well, we've got the same kind of people and Phil Vischer the Creator of the

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VeggieTales series has a A Webcast and He addressed some of these issues

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I am Hitting expand. I'm hitting and it's not gonna do it for me. So Well, how about trying this?

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Okay, good enough Here's here's Phil Vischer Of giving us a lesson in in how you subvert

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Christian ethical and moral teaching while pretending that you're not actually subverting moral teaching genuinely conservative can last at least not for long

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How do we know if that's not a good thing? how do we know what is it isn't good to conserve if if our only if our only value is

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Conservation of what Russell Kirk called the permanent things and now who gets to decide?

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What are the permanent things? Where does that come from because for a hundred for a hundred years what conservatives fought to conserve in America was racial hierarchy

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That was the number one thing conservatives were fighting to conserve because that was a permanent thing because that was

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God established because that was in the Bible because the one thing that all

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Confederate theologians agreed on in 1865 was that the Bible was on their side.

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It was clear. The Bible does not have any problem with slavery So we are trying to conserve the permanent things

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Slavery has always been a permanent thing in history These northern Yankees who don't know how to read the

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Bible are trying to take away our way of life and we must conserve it So now we say oh, yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah, but they were wrong. Oh, yeah, that wasn't that wasn't one of the permanent things Okay, so why were they wrong

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Why were they wrong is it true that the Bible addresses the subject of slavery it certainly does does the

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Bible Limit slavery amongst the

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Hebrew people. Yes. Did it allow it? Yes it did Was slavery different back then than it was in American South.

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Yes Chattel slavery different than War slavery.

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Yes. These are all obvious things. Well, that's okay Silly me obvious things how many

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Christians Pretend to address this subject of slavery in the Bible and they've never read

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Leviticus They've never read all of Deuteronomy They haven't read all of the historical books the

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Old Testament even know how you this function. Yeah, okay, if you haven't And I don't just mean you read through once in your

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You know wrong everybody's doing their through the year thing starting in a couple weeks, right, right?

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And I don't mean that I don't even mean that I mean have spent some serious time

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Looking at a serious amount of text and doing some serious background To understand what it happened.

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Maybe even read a few books. They are out there There's there's plenty of them out there there really are anyway

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The Bible does address subject of slavery in all sorts of different contexts amongst

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God's people in the Old Testament their own experience of slavery Egypt and In the

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New Testament where slavery was a part of the Roman Empire It came in lock stock and barrel from the

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Greeks It was actually improved a little bit by the Romans the

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Greek form was really bad But you had slave owners and slaves in the church, that's a reality you cannot close your mind to that That is a category category relationship of slaves and slave owners

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Economic systems ancient world very very different than where we are today That's one category

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For Phil Vischer, that's the same category as Jesus saying

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From the beginning God created them male and female and then giving an inspired

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Interpretation of Genesis 1 & 2 as To the permanence of heterosexual one -man one -woman marriage

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You see the one thing progressivists cannot do is Think categorically

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They always create confusion and here you have a situation where a man who claims

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To be representing a biblical worldview Cannot tell the difference between the category of foundational creative definition of male and female and What marriage is what a mother is what a father is what a husband is what a wife is what a son is what a daughter?

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is He can't tell the difference between that foundational creative category and The later discussion of how to deal with the issue and it's primarily an economic issue in the

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Old Testament of slavery Can't tell the difference and so that's when he that's how he can go off here talk about Confederate theologians

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You know, you know what that is that again is a trigger mechanism to stop thinking

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The trigger mechanism to stop thinking You're not you're supposed to go

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Oh, well, if anybody in the South ever believed that then it must be wrong just because they were in the

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South That cannot be defended by any rational person It's illogical.

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It's irrational on every level let alone a biblical level So so you just trigger people that way they won't go but but Phil There's there's such a foundation

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Jesus himself said From the beginning God made them male and female and God defined what marriage is.

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This is that's creation That's the first establishment of of Any of any type of covenantal relationship amongst human beings you can't get more basic than this

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You're confusing categories Phil I'll keep them from doing that by triggering them works real well works real well

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More and more as I as I age I realize When I look back

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I am so thankful that I lived in Phoenix and There was only one graduate school of theology in Phoenix when

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I needed to go to graduate school in theology in Phoenix Was fuller theological seminary because I had to listen to this kind of stuff and I learned it.

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Well, I Learned it because I learned a lot from people way to my left now Weren't out.

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They weren't out of that and the ozone yet at that level but I am so thankful because I see young people and they're

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They're just taken in by this stuff They're taken in by they just don't seem to recognize

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The incapacity of this worldview to maintain any kind meaningful worldview order so yeah, there's there's

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Phil Vischer and There's gonna be more you don't just respond to Phil Vischer By just dismissal you have to take apart what he's saying.

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You have to you have to demonstrate Where he's completely missing it Because he is

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He's a smart guy and but you don't accomplish anything if you don't Demonstrate them.

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All right, one last thing before we wrap up the program and this is gonna make sure That we will not even pretend to even try to put it on The other places of distribution because We started we started saying, you know

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There's some real problems here in I started becoming concerned and I think

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November of 2020 When I first started reading up on the technology of the vaccines that were being rolled out it may have been

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October and The stuff

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I was reading was really really concerning and then as stuff started rolling out we're like Wait, wait, wait a minute

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You know if you if you heard have you heard morticians talking about how they're seeing weird stuff going on and you know

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And of course all that stuff any reference to it was immediately shut down by Twitter Facebook Instagram Google the government and now we know the government itself

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Was meeting with all of these people saying we don't want this said we don't want this said we don't want this news out there

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We don't want that article. We they pure governmental censorship on a global level global level

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That's why they were so absolutely terrified of Elon Musk buying Twitter that he might find this stuff and Might reveal it which is exactly what he's done this morning

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This morning 1 .30 a .m Headline people died from mRNA vaccine damaged hearts new peer -reviewed

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German study provides direct evidence by Tyler Durden Authored by Jennifer and Jennifer Margulis and Joe Wang via the

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Epoch Times and this one happened into my feed from Another source, but anyway,

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I'm only going to give you the the summary There's much more in -depth information on it.

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It was fascinating medical pathologists from Heidelberg University Hospital in Heidelberg, Germany have published direct evidence showing how people found dead after mRNA vaccination died as This team of six scientists explore in their study these mRNA vaccinated patients suffered from heart damage

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Because their hearts were attacked by their own immune cells This autoimmune attack on their own heart cells then leads to their damaged hearts beating so many times per second that once the tachycardia

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Unexpectedly started they died in minutes or died suddenly Have you seen it?

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I have You need to see it the film died suddenly just watch for yourself

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I know something about tachycardia. I Know something about tachycardia.

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Thankfully not ventral tachycardia. I Suffer from supraatrial tachycardia, which a lot of men my age do and I had a failed cardiac ablation which was supposed to fix it, but I Fixed the ablation unfortunately

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Thank you, buddy Anyway, I Know what it feels like to have your heart

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My heart has In supraatrial tachycardia beat at over 255 beats per minute that's four beats per second and The the one time

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I know that happened Thankfully I was a

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Long, you know, I've been a long -distance cyclist for many many years. And so My heart was at the time and still is but not obviously

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Older now, but my heart was at the time extremely healthy. And so I Was able to survive the incident but the study that was that has come to Come to light and been published

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Demonstrated how these vaccines Produced Damage in the cells of the heart that then creates this

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Not even a actual beating but just a fluttering Which doesn't actually pump blood and that's why death happens literally within a matter of seconds

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You've seen the videos of the people that just all of a sudden, you know, they're looking up and then just they're gone just die and The vast majority of these people autopsies are not performed if they were

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I have a my personal feeling is that If this kind of information will be known in heaven,

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I don't know that it will certainly is known to God My personal feeling is that in the long run

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Far more people will die from complications from the vaccines than would have ever died from kovat itself and so You know if we lived in a world where people cared about truth

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That would be something that would be being examined very very very very carefully and we we certainly have the technology

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We probably could figure that out but we live in a world filled with people who hate

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God and love money and Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson &

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Johnson AstraZeneca We are talking over the past couple of years not billions or tens of billions but hundreds of billions and and possibly even trillions of dollars and if people will get bumped off For for 50 ,000.

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What will you do for a trillion? Almost anything Almost anything you will cover up anything.

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You will destroy information. You will hide anything. You will censor you will do anything whatsoever so I just I just look at my situation older man,

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I enter and by the way My son -in -law made sure that I realized this

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I actually realized at the end of the last program That when I said, oh, wait a minute,

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I'm not sure I'm going into my seventh decade Yes, I am going into my seventh decade on Saturday And as soon as I said that and we closed the program you remember

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I said nah No, no, that's not right. And then 30 seconds later my phone goes off and it's my son -in -law

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Correcting me. Thank you very much son -in -law Who doesn't like Christmas? So why don't I get you something really nice for Christmas?

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I don't know Actually, I got you a couple nice things for Christmas But you don't like Christmas Oh, well, anyway, um,

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I am entering my seventh decade on Saturday And I am a heart patient. There is that much see this that's a zero that's supposed to be a zero there is that much clinical study of the impact of these vaccines on my kind of heart condition

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Zero, do you think any? Doctor any

01:00:26

CVS any Walgreens that I had gone to Would have not given me the vaccine would have even asked

01:00:35

No, of course not first on They just they want to get as many of them out there as it could

01:00:43

How about hospitals? You start looking at all the money that flowed into hospitals and for what reasons

01:00:52

And you realize that the Pharma medical complex has been completely compromised by an influx of hundreds of billions of dollars, so Myocarditis the article by the way was titled

01:01:20

Autopsy -based histopathological characterization of myocarditis after anti SARS kovat to vaccination

01:01:28

Was published in November 22nd 27th 2022. So just a few weeks ago in the clinical research in Cardiology the official journal the

01:01:37

German cardiac society the research team ops autopsy 25 victims of different ages

01:01:45

Who were found dead at home within 28 days of vaccination? They looked at their heart tissue under the microscope to find out why these people died of cardiac rhythmic disruption

01:01:55

When they had no apparent underlying heart disease In the author's own words our findings established the histological phenotype of lethal vaccination associated myocarditis

01:02:07

May I say that again? Lethal Vaccination associated myocarditis.

01:02:12

That's a quote from a peer -reviewed German study and it will not stop

01:02:19

The Canadian government or the United States government from demanding vaccination. It won't do it

01:02:26

Well Well It's because they're doing it for completely other reasons whether you die or not is not their concern is not their concern.

01:02:41

I Wasn't very long ago We had folks used to support this ministry stop supporting it because we were we were we were conspiracy theorists.

01:02:52

Yes, I know. I Wonder if those folks will read this peer -reviewed study and Go Okay, you were right to have concerns we were wrong to question it

01:03:08

Doesn't seem to be happening much doesn't seem to be happening much. But anyway, all right

01:03:16

So You know next week should probably be fairly normal I mean,

01:03:22

I've got some programs to do and things like that outside of the dividing line, but you know Christmas is until Sunday and so There you go, so I've got a couple of items,

01:03:33

I'm sorry, I have a couple of items. Oh item number one when you Played Big Joe and his big speech there

01:03:44

It occurred to me That I'm old enough to remember. I think the first time

01:03:49

I heard someone advocating what he was saying and it was the first time that I had ever heard of the

01:03:55

North American man -boy love association, which By these guys's standards they've they've accomplished normalizing that they have

01:04:06

That is now a normal thing and they're so far off the the the cliff of bizarre that now

01:04:14

Nambla looks somewhat. You didn't know you didn't know that the founders had drag queens visiting during the writing of the declaration

01:04:21

Is that why they wore the white wigs? No, that's not why they didn't know they did not do that But yeah, it's they have taken up the mantle of the

01:04:30

North American man -boy love association folks You really need to think about what that means.

01:04:36

Yeah then on a Year end note, which I always do this time of year

01:04:44

When folks you donate to us by check I Send receipts out to you an email

01:04:52

Unless I don't have your email address. And so if you've been donating to us, we thank you very much

01:05:01

And we thank you for donating by check, but if you've not been getting receipts from me through the intuit system

01:05:11

Quick books is what we use then you need to Email me your email address and that is our

01:05:20

Pierce PIE RC e at a o m i n dot org. I need to know that so that I can send your

01:05:28

Receipt out first part of next year, which is just stones throw away

01:05:34

It is That's that's that's all I have for that. You're gonna say a snowballs throw away, but then

01:05:40

I realized we're in Phoenix We're in Phoenix that would that would be zero it would melt before it.

01:05:46

Yeah. Yeah zero scape and snow don't get along No, no Yes, and I had thought about doing this and you know, we're just doing at the end of the program

01:06:00

We're you're getting a lot of year -end giving requests and you haven't gotten that from us

01:06:08

We Have always I've just you know I've explained that I there was a program that I used to listen to a lot when

01:06:15

I was a very young apologist of a very very well -known apologist

01:06:24

Who isn't well known anymore And I just I just developed this detestation of the fact that a

01:06:33

Quarter of the program was taken up raising funds a quarter of the program was taken up making you feel guilty if You didn't give and and and the whole world was going to come apart

01:06:45

If you didn't give to this this particular ministry because they were the only ones doing what they were doing So we just never do that at the same time

01:06:57

We have never sought to become a big huge You know, we we don't buy buildings we rent our small office spaces here from a church

01:07:10

We've we've chosen not to go that direction Because when you get big donors you get big strings with the donations and I've always said

01:07:23

I'm just not smart enough to run the mental Filters to go. Okay, if I say this then that might offend that big giver and if I say this that might offend that I'm not smart enough to do that If you give this ministry, we go.

01:07:38

Hey you you already know who we are you already know what we believe you already know what we're doing and I don't run any of those filters.

01:07:46

I can't like I said, I'm just not smart enough to do it What that means is we are supported completely by Just regular folks we don't have big huge donors that make

01:08:03

Massive donations that you know, just just take care of everything. It's regular folks and So we thank all of you when

01:08:12

I when I when I go on these journeys when I go on these trips and I can pull into loves travel stop and We've gotten pretty good

01:08:23

Bringing something that's 13 feet tall and 47 feet long to the proper place in the automobile

01:08:31

Gas gas things because that's where I have to go and I I can get out and I can get out the

01:08:39

Alpha Omega credit card and Fill up that thirsty 36 gallon tank

01:08:47

That's because you make that possible you you you made it possible For us to have the unit to be doing these things to be doing this program to be addressing the subjects we do and The only thing

01:09:02

I would say to toot our own horn if you want to toot our own horn is We've remained pretty consistent down through the years, you know what you're gonna get here and we've stayed focused on the main things and the plain things and the important things and And We actually address some issues and some topics in a way that just there's just nobody else that can address the range of things that that we do in regards to scriptural accuracy

01:09:33

Canonicity things like that You're just not gonna find that very many places and we've been doing it as of next year for 40 years

01:09:44

So there's always the new kid on the block But are they gonna be there five years from now ten years from now that's the question and so We don't we don't even

01:09:56

I think somewhere in the computer someplace. We had a commercial someplace from maybe 2005 or something about supporting the ministry, but we just almost never talk about So here at the end of the year,

01:10:12

I'm just I'm just letting you know We don't have the big donors we don't have some source of information that finances keep things going it's completely you guys and it's primarily small donations

01:10:26

That does it and I'm so thankful for that Because I've seen what's what has happened

01:10:35

When people have it just get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and the pressures become more and more and more to have to maintain that massive amount of income and It can have really bad results and Like I said, the

01:10:53

Lord has just protected us from ourselves and kept us nice and small and humble and You're a part of that.

01:11:01

So As you're looking at year of end giving Keep us in mind, you know if the dividing line is something that You go, you know what

01:11:13

They may not be the fanciest people and I just can't stand those sweaters, but you know what when it comes to When it comes to where I can go to Really get consistent foundational exegetically sound

01:11:31

Material on a wide range of topics. Yeah, I want to keep the dividing line around for another year So keep that in mind as as you're thinking and we just thank everybody that has

01:11:44

Done so much over this past year. We I we live in Phoenix.

01:11:49

We have the highest inflation rate in the United States still at 12 % So I get it.

01:11:56

I get it. We fully understand and you never ever support an External ministry before you support your own church get that too

01:12:06

But it's it's the end of the year. And so everybody else is talking about so I thought I just mentioned in passing

01:12:13

That's how we're that's how we're supported and we appreciate everybody who has done that for years and years and years