June 11, 2018 Show with Mack Tomlinson on “Vital Lessons from the Book of Job” PLUS “Preserving Unity in the Local Church”

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I am so delighted that I have back on the program a dear friend of mine who is also an incredible and Very gracious supporter of iron sharpens iron radio. His name is Mac Tomlinson and Mac has his BA degree in New Testament from Hardin Simmons University in Abilene, Texas having done graduate studies in Israel and.

Through.

Southwestern Baptist Seminary and Tyndale Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas. He has been an ordained gospel minister for over 40 years he's an author an editor and book publisher a global into itinerant preacher and One of four of the pastors at Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas today.

We are discussing two different topics the first hour We are addressing vital lessons from the book of Job and the second hour. We are going to be addressing God willing Preserving unity in the local church.

We're also going to be announcing the 2018 Fellowship Conference New England in Portland, Maine. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio my dear friend pastor Mac Tomlinson.

Back with you brother. Oh, the pleasure is all mine brother, and I'm so grateful you could even do it at late notice Today so I am trusting in the Lord's blessings upon today's interview. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own.

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That you may have a question that would compel you to remain anonymous. So we understand that but other than that, please give us your first name city and state and country of residence. If you live outside the USA, that's Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Please if you could pastor Mac before we get into our discussion on the book of Job tell our listeners about Providence Chapel, Denton, Texas.

Well, we are a reformed Baptistic Church in Denton 30 miles north of Dallas and Fort Worth. Congregation.

Have four.

First that share the preaching and teaching and the pastoring. We have wonderful believers in our midst. So we would welcome any any people who are seeking to find a church. The North Texas Find us. You can find us on the internet at Providence Denton org.

That's Providence, Denton. And we would be delighted Meet you if you worship with us any time. Great, you know, I have a suggestion right away for us brother.

We're having your phone connection is not the greatest in the world. I'm going to. I don't know if you're moving your mouth away from the mouthpiece or if I have to ask you to call in a different number.

But we could try it for a little bit while longer, but if it continues to break up I have a second number that you can try. It's better now this very second it's better now. Yeah right now it sounds sounds great and by the way, I'm gonna repeat that website address that you just gave.

It's Providence Denton org and that's Providence D as in David e n as in Nancy T as in Thomas Oh n dot org Providence Denton org and now let our listeners know about Your annual fellowship conference New England that is held in Portland, Maine.

Yes, and this year will be August 2nd through the 4th, that's August 2 before they're in Portland and we would invite any believers pastors or those interested in the Christian faith who might not even be Christians yet to join us.

You can look at it by going to fellowship conference New England comm or just simply search for Fellowship conference New England on the internet. You can register there or you can contact us if you have questions, but it should be a wonderful time again and it's always enjoyable to see Maine and upper New England in the summer and Portland is a beautiful city right on the ocean.

So we are you there brother?

Mac are you there? Yeah, we're gonna have to have. We're gonna go to an early break because I want you to call a different number. I'm going to text you that number because you're breaking up for some reason and I don't know if it's.

Just because you're the phone you're using is not really that compatible with my equipment. There is there are rare occasions when this happens. But all right, I am going to text you the the number to call.

I'm gonna go on a brief station break right now and If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own as I said. Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Ornson. And can I hear you Mac Tomlinson? Yes, sir, I hope so. Yeah, you sound a lot better already. We have to. We have to make a note of that for future reference that for some reason your phone line is more compatible with this other studio phone line.

Now I know that your speakers that you have lined up for The Fellowship Conference New England our pastor Tim Conway who's been on this program. He's pastor at Grace Community Church in San Antonio, Texas.

We have you. We have pastor Jesse Barrington who's also been on this program. He is a pastor of Grace Life Church in Dallas, Texas, which actually happens to be a sister congregation to Grace Life Church in Lake City, Florida, which airs Iron Trip and Zion radio every day on their own radio station Grace Life Radio 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida.

They air a rerun of it every day the the day following the live broadcast. So you're going to be on Tuesday June 12th on on Grace Life Radio in Lake City, Florida. Pastor Nate Pickowitz has also been a guest on this program.

He is a pastor of the Harvest Bible Chapel in Gilmington Ironworks, New Hampshire, and he's the author of Reviving New England and why we're Protestant and I am Very excited to promote this conference because having interviewed all of these men and having met some of them.

Especially you I have nothing but the greatest and utmost confidence that this conference is going to be biblically centered Christ exalting and a blessing to all. You have anything further thank you Chris anything further that you'd like to say.

I know another thing I can quickly say is that Unless you've changed the way you conduct these conferences. You don't have one theme. You let the speakers Speak on what happens to be burdening their hearts at that time.

Encouragement and their edification. It's not a large conference. It's never more. It's always under 200 people and.

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Regular opportunities to speak. I.

Hate to say this pastor Mac. But when we go to our next commercial break is there a different phone you could use because the phone the phone problem is acting. Up again, it's on your end. Obviously because both of these phone lines You know are.

See they work well with everybody else that calls in so I'm not sure what's going on.

I'm sorry I can I can call for a different phone immediately. All right.

Why don't you do that now with and are you gonna be hanging up, or should I just hold on? Okay. All right call back all right. Thank you, and sorry about this folks these things do happen. I mean they even happen on major networks like Fox News.

It happens all the time. I happen to Recognize and I always makes me feel a little better when I see something like that a major network like Fox News. But we apologize this is obviously something beyond our control so hopefully pastor Mac Tomlinson is going to be joining us any second now on a different phone line and Well once again, I will repeat our email address.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chrisarnzen at gmail .com. Please give us your first name your city and state and your country of residence. If you live outside the USA, and I have a feeling he called the other number which I'm gonna have to call that number now.

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Welcome back, and I hopefully will have pastor mack tomlinson on the line with us. Hopefully permanently this time. Hi pastor Mack, can you hear me? I'm here. Can you hear me? Yes so far. It sounds a hundred percent better.

So hopefully it will remain that way. I i'm sorry about this brother. I don't know why these things happen from time to time but let's uh.

Oh.

The devil gave joe trouble. Maybe he's giving us trouble today.

Of course the trouble that joe got was infinitely greater than the trouble we were having with a phone line on a talk show.

Yes.

But um and uh I believe I was asking you to just say one more thing about the conference before we move on to the subject of joe.

Yeah, well the conference is uh. A smaller conference less than 200 people, but they're hungry believers. Who come from around new england canada and as far? South as New york city and pennsylvania. But it's wonderful fellowship.

We.

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Or just search for it and please join us august 2nd through the 4th if you can.

Great, and we'll be repeating that contact information throughout the program. Well now we are moving on to the the book of job. Uh. It is a book that even Those who are not christians or jewish Since it is an old testament book, but even those that have never read it many not all of course, but many have heard about it enough that they know that there's even a Common saying that I don't know how popular it is today.

Uh, but the troubles of job the trials of job that kind of a phrase can be heard especially For people my age and older even if they're outside of the christian faith and so. What uh compelled you? Uh to do an in-depth study on this and And decide that this is the subject you'd like us to bring up today on iron trip and zion radio.

Well, I've been preaching a series through the book of job just for years. As a christian the book of job was kind of closed to me once I get got past the introductory chapters Of job and his friends and the events of his suffering.

And I got into the speeches between job and his friends I would bog down. I Didn't know what they were saying. I didn't know who was right with all the poetic language. And I couldn't discern or Interpret really what the argument was works on the book of job.

I came to see in majestic and mysterious book Job truly is it's become in the last years Almost my favorite book of the bible. It majors on who god is in his sovereignty And in his ways that are past finding out As well as seeing apart from the suffering through the hardest things.

Yes, and uh, why don't you set up?

The background for this story uh from what I uh recall from reading the story many times and hearing it preached about many times, uh, the story involves satan. Having a dialogue with god. Uh in regard to this specific.

A child of god job whom satan believes has been so faithful to his god just because god has been pampering him. And he hasn't really suffered at all. Uh, he hasn't experienced anything that would really want.

Bring about a need in his life. Uh to or should I say not a need in his life, but to bring about a um, An anger in his life great enough to denounce god or to disobey him or to abandon him, but if you could uh, If you could start with that little bit of a background here.

Yeah, well first two chapters at the time the wealthiest And godliest man in the known world He was widely known.

Vast.

Empire in his mansion. He had 10 children. That he was very close to. And the family was close to one another and so the first two chapters normal living but suddenly in chapter one.

The.

Camera, if you will goes to heaven. And shows us a heavenly scene satan comes along with.

The.

Angelic creatures to present Uh himself before god. Anything he wants to do without god's permission. And so satan comes. And it's god that initiates. The subject of job satan. Have you considered my servant job?

There's none like him on the earth. He's a blameless and upright man one who fears god and hates evil. So it's important to realize that satan did not bring up job to god. God initiated bring up bring it to satan.

In fact, if you read The first two chapters of job closely, that's the only place satan did. Dialogue. Satan never initiates any words. He only responds.

To god's very important, right? I hope I didn't give you. I hope I didn't give the implication that I said. Satan, uh, Started the conversation. I didn't mean to imply that.

Right, it's just true in the he takes if you read it closely. He takes job's life as a challenge if you will uh to satan That here's a man who is blameless and godly Serves me and hates evil. Well satan took The bet if you want to put it that way.

He took the challenge and he accused god that. That uh job would curse god And blaspheme him and deny him If he went through any real suffering. So you read job one and two and used to attack 10 children.

They all died. We have tornado. Tornado like wind. Job's health was a depressy Because satan was given permission to attack except he was told that he could not take his life. He had to spare his life.

So you see in these these sudden quick Scenes to the most horrendous loss at it. He goes from being a he goes awfully wealthy stricken really. Uh, he even loses the support of his wife. Encourages him because she's convinced he's going to die From the disease he had.

She encourages him. Just go ahead and end your life and uh curse god.

Because he has already judged you. Now, let me ask you a question. Could I could I just briefly ask you a question about that? Um I have heard I mean most people that preach on that text. Uh that I have heard in fact every person that i've heard preach on it except one Has said that this was the the viciousness Of job's wife toward him.

That this was a nasty response from her just because she obviously did not want to be inflicted with the suffering and therefore she Said this out of anger to him as something to be hurtful and nasty.

Something that was even blasphemous. I have heard from one person at least that I can recall. Who said that this was job's wife? Trying to be um Compassionate in a sense in in the in the realm of For lack of a better term mercy killing.

She was saying to job curse god so that you'll be put out of your misery. In other words Does that latter? Explanation have any basis in reality in your opinion?

Well, we can only read good answer Says in chapter 2 verse 9. Then his wife said to him your integrity first god and die, right. Well He may have been. Remember she has 10 children especially doug graves.

Near there. She lost all her children. She lost all her security. Sees him covered from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet with horrible sore grotesque and seeing. Well her question. She asked a question.

And then she gives an encouragement. So she may have had a loving heart a kinder heart a suspicious heart. She says are you still holding fast to your integrity? That implies Husband you surely you've done something wrong.

Just let your life be. It may have been almost a verbal form of assisted suicide. She thinks he's gonna die soon. We see in the book of joe joe her way of probably what she can say. To help him end his own misery.

Okay, I don't think we ought to be harsh with angry.

Okay. Well, you can continue now. Sorry for the interruption. I just have been perplexed by that ever since hearing for the first time the possible Yeah explanation that she was actually Trying to get god To in his wrath kill him on the spot for cursing him just to put him out of his misery.

But but anyway, that was that's just a theory. Obviously, we can't hurt. Yeah.

Well, if you read the first two chapters you see the Setting for the whole event in the first two chapters fact chapter one That the children would rather regularly gather together. Family time the children would all gather in the oldest brother's home.

So the children were obviously close to one another. So you had this wealthy godly Prosperous family that were well known. I mean he would have been like a you know think of a The wealthiest man you can think of that was joe in his day and so suddenly.

And this is a key to understanding the book somewhat. There's two heavenly Discussions that joe is not aware of. He does not know That satan has presented himself before god. He does not know at all that God has issued a challenge to satan with joe's life.

He doesn't know that's going on. All that soon all that he experiences is all this loss sudden suffering that's unimaginable. And so then Days and weeks must go by. And three of joe's friends who were probably patient community older and considered wise three friends came Each from their own place.

Job chapter 2 says they had made an appointment Together to come and mourn with joe and to try to comfort so the end of job 2 and they come. And they raise their eyes they did not recognize him well wine.

Because he's scoped he's covered With scabs all over his horrendous. And all they can do is begin to cry and they tear their clothes. And they throw dust on their heads. Which in the ancient world was a symbol of grief and they sit down with joe.

Not for one day in one night, but for seven days and seven nights. And the bible says in the last verse of job 2 no one even what you have there the way to picture that is. They came and they they were so distraught and grieved and shocked by what they saw.

They couldn't bring themselves To speak to joe. They didn't want to say. They couldn't enter into his suffering. So they were really remaining outsiders. And joe was alone going. Yes, definitely. Job chapter 3 Begins many chapters from job 3 8.

From job 3 to job 38. There are many speeches if you will With job and then his three friends. In fact a fourth younger friend Elihu at the end of the speeches Elihu who had been listening. He enters in finally and he closes the speeches.

But these speeches are the hardest part of the book of job to interpret.

But.

Once you. You get a bird's eye view of what's being said. It begins to get easier to interpret because joe's speeches. And his friend's speeches. It kind of becomes a verbal war of words. It becomes a verbal ping-pong match because in chapter 3 if you look at it closely.

Job does two things. He's not speaking to his friends. And he's not speaking to god even he's speaking to himself. But he's speaking out loud. He does two things in job 3. He curses in the day of his birth.

He wishes he had never been born. That's basically all he says in chapter 3 seven times. Isn't that the common feeling that when someone goes into a time of sudden suffering. Why god? Why have you allowed this?

Why am I going through this? What have I done? I don't understand. Why is this in chapter 3? Well, finally in chapter 4 begins joe a dialogue with eliphaz. And if you read chapter 4 he begins Tenderly.

He says, you know if someone attempted to speak a word, would you be? Discouraged if I say anything. But I can't hold back from speaking. Job, you've instructed many you've strengthened many hands. You've strengthened many feeble knees, but now.

Come upon you so with that speech in job 4. Here's what you have Down to about you can summarize it this way job's friends. They're using eloquence. They're using theology. They're using right Orthodox things they say about god.

Job responds poetic language. But if you boil it down. And all of the speeches between job and his friend and if you'll just repeat I haven't seen the cause this. And indeed, we know that he hadn't. What came upon him was because he was a righteous man.

Not because of his sin. They say yes, you have sinned. No, I haven't. Yes, you have. No, I haven't. 35 chapters. I mean, it's really true. The friends say job, you you know, you've sinned because. This bad stuff doesn't happen to the righteous.

God blesses the righteous. And when there's such suffering as this. Sin and wickedness is behind it. They say it the same thing over and over and over. And job's response is always the same. I did not.

I did not sin to cause this. I don't know why it's happening. But I did not sin to cause this. And if I could if I could get an audience with jehovah I would state my case. And you guys. Finally toward the last speeches job is just becoming sarcastic.

He says you guys you're. You're horrible physicians of no value. You're miserable counselors. You know, you think you're so wise when you guys die wisdom will all die with you. It'll be gone from the world.

It's a war of words that gets heated. That gets hard. But job's friend they get nowhere convincing him. That he had sinned and indeed he had not did not know why it had happened either what was going on.

I have a Primary thing that's behind joe. Shall I continue? Yes go right ahead.

Well.

Job is used by the lord As an example of a blameless godless man in the world a godly man a blameless godly man. Apparently he's singled out as the most godly man in the earth.

And.

Adam the first man god created Sinned and fell. And in adam the whole world satan attacked the highest point of god's creation. Man in the garden of eden. In the new testament, we're told that the last adam The man jesus christ was going to come And destroy the works of the devil and regain paradise and restore.

So here you have between adam And jesus christ. This who seems to me to be a picture of christ. He's a blameless righteous man who didn't deserve to die. He didn't deserve to suffer. But he suffered accomplished cosmic Redemptive pictures that god is going to defeat satan Ultimately through man.

If satan had attacked so I think joe's suffering his life and his suffering really is a redemptive. Never knew That his life was being used like that. He's oblivious to the heavenly Challenge. And what god is doing now?

There there comes a point though when god does Rebuke a job for Sin, I mean his his so-called friends Uh were not necessarily correct, especially in the manner with which they rebuked him. And they're what they said to him.

I'm assuming you would agree with me. It was a mixture of truth and falsehood as far as his friends go, right? Right, but but but when god at the near the conclusion Kind of brings more things to light doesn't he does he not rebuke job in the long run for something?

He does. And yes, let me just say a word about using to read their speech to discern. What they're saying here about god seems, right? But at the end God rebukes the friends and tells joe to pray for them to pray for them.

When were they right. And when they're always wrong when they make those accusations but they often orthodox. High theology that was right about god and his greatness. But what they were doing there? They were using orthodox truth.

And applying it wrongly to joe's situation. I hope that makes sense. In other words, they were trying to use truth. To persuade joe indirectly. Yeah that he had sinned. Yeah, just like uh word of faith.

Prosperity gospel name it and claim it pentecostals. Uh, they are right. They are right when they say That there there are occasions when people are suffering because They have little or no faith or because of something that they've done in regard to sin.

They are very wrong and wickedly wrong and heretically wrong when they say that's always the case. That's always the reason. Which they do exactly we know.

Go ahead know that severe suffering is often caused by. We don't go to the laws by sin. And that's what joe's friends did. You know, if you want to put it this way. They were the first because they didn't believe that god would ever bring or allow suffering.

Right had to be christian counselors. They weren't applying the truth properly to joe right because they didn't have a clue what was going on. And they totally misinterpreted but you brought up. Yes, you get down.

When did god do that? Will you get down to chapter 38? With 37 all the speeches and I kind of put it this way. God shows up to cancel this phd seminar on christian philosophy that all Job and it's put up.

He doesn't want to do it anymore. Well, finally Job 38 says the lord answered job out of the whirlwind. So suddenly god shows up. And he's speaking out of a whirlwind. And it's the first time God speaks into job's suffering.

What you have in job 38 39 40 41. Uh those chapters through chapter 41. You have god basically. If you were to count them, there's probably at least 83 questions. 83 questions. Wow, and it's it ranges from.

The creation the animal world. This the sea world with the wall the deep huge sea creatures.

To.

All kinds of things in creation. And in essence what god's doing with all those 83 questions. He's saying joe.

You.

You have found fault with me because I haven't explained to you your suffering. I haven't spoken to you. So you you. Don't know why you. And you think it's unjust and unfair for me to let you go through what you're going through.

Without explaining to you why being unkind and unjust. You read the job speeches when he starts speaking about god. And at times he'll say You know if I could find out it's not this is unjust.

Why.

Am I suffering this way and I don't know why job says it in various even in those speeches. When he's pouring out his complaint of accusing job god of being unjust He also makes his statements of faith.

He says I will trust him and when I come to he accuses god with his attitude and sometimes with his words. This is unfair. You have not been so in job 38. Let me ask you some questions. Do you know when all the Give birth to their.

Are you are you ever there and you know about that job? Job who set the wild donkeys free. Uh job who uh. Will the wild ox in the wilderness are they willing to serve you? Can you call them and they'll come?

Job.

Is asked these various topics to every question. He has to say no I wasn't there. I'll shut my mouth. God's 83 questions to joe are simply Designed for job to say, you know, I don't know what i'm talking about.

I don't know finding out. He knows everything and I don't. And then god even says to him in chapter 40 question you. And I want you to answer me. Can you cast judgment on my on my judgment? Are you kind of good?