Blue Letter Bible

Blue Letter Bible as a Free Study Ministry

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All right, well, welcome to The Wrap Report, and today we're recording, well, we're out here in California, and I am in the headquarters, actually specifically in the library of Blue Letter Bible, which means from the looks of around here, I may not be leaving anytime soon, because there's a lot of cool old books here, but I'm joined, and I'm gonna have to let you pronounce your last name, but I'm joined with someone who has a absolutely great first name, and from the looks of him, he lives up to it.

If you know what the Greek word Andrew means, it means manly, but Andy, if you want to introduce yourself for a moment. Sure, sure. My name is Andy Guastafaro, good Italian last name, and my middle name is Joseph, which is man of God, so I am a manly man of God.

Couldn't be much better than that, huh? That's great. So he knows the meaning of his first and middle name, that's great. What's the last name mean, do you know? It's something to do with iron scraps of some sort.

Okay. Pharaoh, Fiero or something. For folks here, let's first start off with what is, now, Blue Letter Bible, son, I recommend when we do our, I have a seminar I do in churches, I come into churches and do our Bible Interpretation Made Easy seminar, where we go through different tools people can use to help in interpreting scriptures.

Blue Letter Bible is one that I've always recommended to folks for a lot of reasons, and I think hopefully by the end of this podcast, everyone's gonna understand those reasons. One being Jewish, it's mostly free.

You know, I get to use it and not pay for it, and my Jewish blood just loves that. You know, if it's free, it's for me. But go over, explain to folks what Blue Letter Bible is specifically, and then we'll talk about what your role is.

Sure, Blue Letter Bible is a is a not-for-profit. We are a ministry, and we're driven by the mission to deliver God's Word and an in-depth study of God's Word to the world, and simply put, that's what we do.

We have, we deliver the Word of God and these study tools through, primarily through our website, and I'm sure we'll talk a little bit about what those tools are. We also have free apps for Android and for Apple users as well.

We have an institute called Blue Letter Bible Institute that we've developed over the years with, I think we're at 13 courses for free to the users, and we have a huge partnership coming up in a number of more courses being added to that.

And we just came out with a new study tool called Scripture Mark, which is an inductive style, a digital inductive style Bible study. So you can put your text on your computer or on your tablet, and then you can mark it up.

You can highlight it. You can underline it. You can take your notes. You can block diagram it and do some interesting things, which you're probably not familiar with. I'll enjoy showing you after this.

Well, yeah, I'm not familiar with that.

I am familiar with block diagram because when I do the Bible interpretation made easy, I actually teach people how to do a block diagram, which they go, why do this? Because it gets you to slow down and study the Scriptures.

That's right. So yeah, I didn't know you guys were working on that, and I know of it because of the tools, and there's a lot of free resources. You could go there, get commentaries and different things, and just it became like a, I always refer to it as like a one-stop shop for getting everything you could use for Bible study, but you can get it for free.

I have it on my phone, but I know that there's also the website version that folks can use, which I had said to someone today, you know, I'm switching, I think, on my phone to be using the Blue Lair Bible for the app that I use to search because when I go, especially if I'm doing on the street, doing evangelism, I want something I can pull a Bible up as quick as possible.

I keep switching apps for whichever one pulls it up faster, and I was like, oh wait, Blue Lair Bible I just noticed today is pulling up faster than the other one I was using, so I think that's gonna become the new one that I'm gonna, for quick research, for pulling up an app, but.

So for folks who who want to study the scriptures,.

Give a good reason, why would we, why Blue Lair Bible, why should people come here? You know, that's a very common question that we get because there's other apps, there's other resources that people can use and we feel strongly about the resources that we provide in particular.

Number one, you said it, it's free to the user. It's not free to us, but it's free to the user, and we're blessed that God has provided for us to be able to provide that to the users, and so number one reason it's free.

Number two is that the resources we provide are very advanced, and this separates us from some of the other resources that are out there. You do have some others that are advanced as well, but ours are in-depth in terms of commentaries, encyclopedias, and dictionaries, charts, and translation comparisons, and the Greek tools, and the Hebrew tools, and as well our search mechanisms are very fast and comprehensive, and so so from a resource standpoint, you know, that's another reason for us, and thirdly, I want to highlight who we are as a ministry.

We are, we're conservative. Theologically, we have, there's a range that we have. Within that range, though, it's conservative. We have a high view of Scripture. We have a high view of the inerrancy of Scripture, and really when I look at striving for eternity's statement of faith, and I see your statement on the Holy Scriptures, I mean, you guys have really laid that out very well, and we would very much be in line with that, that God, that not only is all Scripture God-breathed, as we know, and profitable, but it's really important that the authorial intent, and that we present tools that help people to get down to what is the truth that God has given to us through his word, and how can we help people arrive at that truth, and so the tools that we present are really grounded in that ministry and theological perspective.

Scripture Mark and Inductive Bible Study

So you bring up, you bring up the verse in in 2 Timothy 3 16, and I want to go there because that's, there's an interesting thing that people don't always realize there, but this is what 2 Timothy 3 16 and 17 say, and this is one of things with, like you're saying, inductive Bible study, right, one of the things we want to do is look at what are, we're talking block diagramming, the real advantage of block diagramming is recognizing what is the main thing, and keeping the main thing the main thing, what is a supporting text.

So 2 Timothy 3 16 17 says, all Scripture is God-breathed, or breathed out by God, and profitable for teaching, for a proof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete and equipped for every good work.

And a lot of people will say about the profitability, well, it's profitable for these four things, right? Teaching, reproof, correction, instruction, or training in righteousness. You can see I memorized it in a different translation.

But, you know, each of those four are actually supporting verses, they're paraphrases, or prepositional phrases, and therefore they support the main thing. They aren't the main thing. So we actually see the main thing when we eliminate those and look at what the main thing is, all Scripture is breathed out that the man of God may be complete and equipped.

That's the main thing, and really, I think that's what Blue Letter Bible does for folks, is to provide the tools to equip people. I mean, my listeners know I'm a very big Logos user. I've been using it since the early 90s, so I actually have more volumes in Logos than anyone outside the company, I've been told.

But it's super expensive. I mean, basically you take out a second mortgage. I knew I was in trouble when I've had one sales rep for like 20 plus years. He sent me a picture of a Porsche Carrera, and I said, what is this?

He goes, that's your Logos library. I calculated what you spent over 30 years, and I went, ow, ow, that hurts. Don't tell my wife that. Like, you know, he's like, that really is a painful thing to think about.

But like much of those tools you get in Blue Letter Bible at no cost because of your donor base, and we'll get to that, because it's a very different structure on how you guys have it versus some of these other companies.

And yet what it seems, and with some of the things you're telling me I didn't even know about, it seems like you're trying to add some of the scholarship that they have. I know like Logos, they actually have paid scholars that they have, and with the coursework that you're doing, it sounds like you're doing a similar thing, bringing it in.

Similar in concept of making sure that the tools are there, the research is there, all of that. Difference is, one is free, and one, you need a mortgage. Yeah, and you know, for us, like you said, it's a different model for us.

You know, Logos has, they have a business model that enables them to invest in some of these things in different ways than us. For us, we are dependent on ministry relationships and partnerships and teachers and Bible colleges that are willing to give us resources and who want to share those resources.

It looks different for us, but you know what, though? It's a joy. You get to partner with all these other ministries who are just so gracious, and they want to get their materials out there and be a help, as you guys are, to so many people.

It's been a privilege and surely a joy to see the body of Christ working together in that way. Yeah, I mean, one of the things I often say, I think one of the biggest struggles in the church is that people don't know how to interpret God's Word.

They don't know how to handle it. I think the reason we have all these heretical Christians on TV and elsewhere and all these false teachings is really because people don't know how to handle the Word of God.

If they learned how to interpret on their own, if they learned how to study and they had the tools, then they'd hear this stuff and go, wait, no, that's wrong. And it really doesn't take a whole lot of tools.

So, I mean, one of the things that I find the most is that, you know, even as a pastor, when I was pastoring a church, any pastor is competing with the best of preachers on the radio, you know, five days a week.

And you have a pastor that's faithful to the study of the Word of God. He has his congregation one day a week and yet you have everyone else on the radio five days a week. And that's who people are really getting their instruction from.

And when they're not trained to interpret, they're not trained to handle God's Word, they don't feel they have the tools to do that, they have a difficult time judging truth from error because, hey, this guy's on the radio.

He must be good. And they really are influenced usually by that person more than their own pastor, unfortunately. And one of the things I like about Blue Lair Bible is it puts the tools that people need in their hands.

So it takes one argument away from people. And this is one of the things I end up telling people when I do our Bible Interpretation Made Easy seminar. There's no more excuse anymore. Well, I don't have the tools that my pastor has to handle God's Word and interpret it.

You have it now because it's free. You can get access to commentaries. I go through and I teach them how to use commentaries, how to use Bible dictionaries, encyclopedias, concordances, that concordances people don't realize is not just that chapter in the back of the Bible where you go, I can't remember that.

Where's that verse that I was looking for? No, it actually is to get you back to the original languages. I teach them how to use all those tools. But the thing is those can be expensive if you're buying in paper.

Take up a lot of space. And if you're like me, your wife wants to sell them every time you leave the house because they take up a lot of room. But the thing is you make it all available so that people can have it right at their fingertips.

Most people have a phone that can pull that can get the blur. I mean, there's the iPhone and then there's those other things that people use. I don't understand why. Um. What kind of phone you got? I am with you.

Okay. I'm with you all the way. We're good.

Yeah, I just set you up. Yeah. Okay.

I had my Android device. No, but you know, it's like people have these available now at their fingertips. They can have access to all that stuff. And even if you don't know Greek and Hebrew in Blue Letter Bible, it's only a few clicks to get you there.

It is. And you know, and so yeah, that's you know, that's one of the biggest benefits of using Blue Letter Bible that we hear from our users. They love the original language resources that we offer. Not only the parsing, but we've got the Strong's resources as well.

We have some lexicons both for the New Testament and the Old Testament. So uh, you know, and at the same time it's important that users know how to use those tools. And that's where, you know, we're trying to also provide some instruction in that area.

You guys are doing that and that's a huge, that's a massive blessing to the body of Christ. Because you got these tools, you might have some hammer and nails and some screws in the tool shed, but what do you do with them?

How do you use them? And that's important as well. And so that's where we've got the body of Christ at work. Yes, we hope that's coming from the church, right? We hope that instruction is coming at the local church level, but that's not always happening.

You know, you say hammer and nails and one of the things I sometimes say is what I notice with cultic groups, they know a little bit of the tools. In other words, they know how to use Strong's. And they use Strong's concordance like a hammer.

And they use it for everything because it's the only tool they have. So everything is a nail. It doesn't matter if it's a screw, if it's a nail, if it's a screwdriver, it's all a nail. And so they end up sitting there and it's funny because you end up talking, I do a lot of open air evangelism.

Sometimes I'll deal with, I don't know if you're familiar, Black Hebrew Israelites, a very interesting group. But their argument basically is that all the Africans that were in the slave trade, those are the Israelites.

Okay. And they'll always, it's funny because they'll always go back to Strong's. And you look at the Strong's and Strong's gives you like one, two, maybe three variations of a word. It's just, it's really quick.

It's short. You really want the detail. You go into lexicons and word books and things like that. But for them, it's like this is the hammer and they're going to nail everything with it. But when you get into having more resources, it's like, oh wait, there's more nuance to this word.

There's more understanding to this word. If you have more tools, you understand that. When you don't have those tools, everything's a nail to the hammer. And I think what Blue Letter Bible does is open up to folks all the other tools.

So that, okay, I got a screw. I use the screwdriver, not the hammer. Yeah, and that's just right. And there's so much we can do and we've got projects to constantly be improving what we're providing. For example, we just came out with a Greek inflection tool.

And that way you can search for the same word, a word that is inflected in the same way in other places. And so there are things like that, that is that your only tool? Well, of course not. Might it help you?

Yeah, absolutely. It might help to see how this word is used in other contexts. How it's used in terms of the tense and the mood and some of those things. And so it's just another piece of data and it's just another tool.

But like you said, it's one of many that should be a part of your entire toolkit as you seek to understand the meaning. Okay, so after this break, what I want to do is talk about just some of the other things you're working on.

We'll start with the courses.

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And don't just watch. Okay, so we're back and so you know as we come back I want to talk about these courses because this is actually something I wasn't familiar with with Little Arab Bible because I was using it more for for study resources.

So talk about the courses. What can people learn through the courses that you offer? Sure, so we have some courses in exposition. So you could study Book of Matthew, for example. We have some courses in kind of a worldview, cultural worldview courses as well.

And those courses were given to us by Peter Jones and Truth Exchange on kind of understanding our culture and how to speak into that culture based upon Romans 1 largely. And so they've given us some courses for that.

And then we've got courses on biblical counseling, one course on biblical counseling and servant leadership in some some more pastoral or ministry-minded courses as well. And so there's a number of courses covering different areas of doctrine as well as ministry and life from a biblical perspective.

And then we've got eight more courses that we are looking to add in the near future, hopefully the near future, from a Bible College. And we haven't released this announcement yet. So this is an exclusive?

Yeah, so I'm not announcing it right now. I'm just going to announce to you the concept that we do have this partnership with an excellent Bible College that has invested in creating courses specifically for us.

And that's going to cover areas such as some of the Old Testament survey, New Testament survey classes, as well as hermeneutics and some of these other courses that are essential for understanding how to study God's Word.

That's cool. So you heard it here first, sort of. I didn't completely unveil it. Yeah, it got close to the unveiling. We look forward to the content, but we didn't say which school. Okay, so is it Master's University?

We'll go one by one until we figure out which one. When you go silent, that's the one. Right, right. No, it's not that. No, it's not that.

So, I mean, I think the thing that's neat about that is, you know, we have our academy, that we have the Shrine Referring Academy. And I think there's a lot more ministries that are starting to go this way to realize that yes, you could do academies and you charge money for it.

But what we ended up finding was we did an academy really just to put it out there. And what we never realized is the impact we have worldwide. I mean, in China, there are pastors that can't get a seminary education.

And all they need with us is know English and have internet. That's it. Now, you know, that was at least when we were small enough that China didn't block us. Now, it's not so much anymore. But the thing that when you have these things is that you know, we have people in Chile.

I know of a pastor in Chile, a pastor in Canada. And we never would have that impact if we just tried to do it where we charged for it. But here we're literally able to train up pastors, not just people in congregations, which is, I mean, we just put it out there.

But the thought never even dawned on us that we could be impacting pastors overseas in countries where they don't have seminaries. They don't have access to this kind of training. And this becomes huge because that ends up influencing the entire congregation.

So, I mean, what you're doing with the courses, literally, especially when you're offering it for free, it impacts more than just people that come to Blue Letter Bible to get a course sitting in a church because they want to learn a little bit more.

Because when those pastors start doing it, it influences an entire congregation. So I think the vision that you guys have for that is really neat. Yeah, and we've, to that point as well, we create it.

Intentionally, we created it such that you don't have to create an account to take a class. You can just audit it. You can take it. And the reason for that is that we want there may be pastors in some of these countries where they would prefer not to put their information on there.

And we want to encourage them to be taking those courses. We don't want to limit anybody from having access to this material. Now, I was looking while you were talking to see, is it on the phone app? Or no?

It's not. Okay. Because I couldn't find it on my phone app. So right now the website can be found at blbi .org. So the normal website's blb .org. This is blbi .org, but we just acquired a new domain. And here's another unveiling for you.

This is a little more public, but we acquired study .bible. Ah, that is a good... And we are complete. So if you go to blbi .org right now, you'll see a very antiquated resource. The content's there, everything, the programming.

But it's an older kind of technology. You'll see that. And so we are in the latter stages of a complete overhaul redesign of blbi .org which will be study .bible. That's a great... Having the .bible for the domain.

You gave me some ideas. Well, that's... The Bible Registry folks are awesome people. And they were excited about the Blue Letter Bible Institute as well. And they got behind that. And the Lord opened the door for us to have that domain.

So we're very thankful. Yeah, Anthony and I were talking last night. We were sitting around. We had outside of a fire pit as we were hanging out by this hotel we're at. And we're sitting there. We were looking up, because Mormon .org, it was announced they're changing to comeuntochrist .org because their prophet got a revelation.

I love how previous prophets' revelations just are outdone by newer prophets' revelations. But their prophet said Mormonism isn't to be used anymore. You have to say Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is really hard.

ChurchofJesusChristLatterdaySaints .org. So I guess they're changing their domain. So I went on to see whether we could get Mormon .org. I mean, how fun would that be to take that over? If it frees up, I'm sure they won't let that go.

But we were looking at other things like mormonismiswrong .org. Like, can we get that? Yeah. Answeringmormonism .org. So we may grab some of those and give some answers to them. So yeah, I never thought that the .bible domain, that's a good one.

Yeah. It's really fairly new. Yeah, you could get a lot of... You may be able to get some good domains through that. Yeah. Anthony's head is turning. I see the monitor. He's already thinking, I can see this.

By the time we get back to the car, he's going to be like, hey, how about this .bible and this .bible? We're going to have about 10 new domains by the end of the day. It's a good thing he doesn't have the code to purchase the domains.

Otherwise, I'd be having a large bill at the end of the year. So, more than just the study tools, you had a new project that you're doing with the Inductive Bible Study. Talk about that with this new app.

ScriptureMark and Inductive Digital Bible Study

Yeah, so this is... You actually can go to scripturemark .org. So, scripturemark, M-A-R-K, all one word, .org. And that tells you a lot more about what the resource is about as well. It has a video introducing how to use that resource.

But really, what it is, is it allows you to really dig in to the tools in an inductive way, which is different than anything else that we present in terms of our website and apps. There's a number of things that you can do that are really beneficial.

You can set up layers. Okay, so let's just say... We talked about the block diagramming thing, but let's just... Let's say you've blocked it out, and now you want to focus on just the verbs and the tenses and the meanings in the original language.

You can create a layer of just verbs. You can also create a layer of themes, where you might highlight certain themes. And then you can go into those layers, and you can make the layers visible or invisible.

So both as a study tool, but also as a teaching tool, if you want to focus your students on certain aspects of that passage, then you can easily do that through Scripturemark. And you can add images. You can freehand draw.

You can add shapes, add text. Again, highlighting, underlining, blocking. So there's a number, but I encourage you to just jump on scripturemark .org and see like a five minute or so tutorial on that.

You know, you might want to think of getting marked .bible as a domain. That might be a nice one. You're just right. What I want to do... We'll take a break. After this break, what I want to do is talk about your specific role.

And with your role specifically, I want to talk about how folks can help the mission of Blue Letter Bible.

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Supporting Blue Letter Bible and the Case for Monthly Giving

All right, so Andy, we're back and want to talk about specifically your role here at Blue Letter Bible because this is going to be where folks who are listening can actually take a role not just in being consumers of Blue Letter Bible, but actually supporters.

So let's talk about your role specifically, what you do for Blue Letter Bible. My role here is I serve as the chief operating officer. I've been a part of the ministry for about seven and a half years and what that means is that I oversee the general operations of the ministry.

We have different aspects of what we do and what is required to deliver these tools to our users. And so I'm responsible to oversee all those aspects. Now some of those aspects require kind of running the ministry, which takes bringing in some money.

Kind of an important thing when you're giving everything away for free. I know from experience that as you already said, just because it's free to the users, it's not free to you. It costs quite a bit to run a ministry like this, doesn't it?

It does and that's the reality of it. And we have been very blessed by God's provision over the past 20 plus years the ministry has been around. Well, at least Blue Letter Bible has been around since I think 1996 and the ministry was supported by one source primarily during that time and that was a foundation.

And in about 2010 or so the ministry realized that we need to start transitioning into a more public supported model, a user supported model. And so that transition has been ongoing for a good part of the past five or six years.

And the Lord continues to provide and we're not fully supported by the public. We're about halfway there. But we're very thankful for the thousands of supporters that we have. Because that's actually, I knew of Blue Letter Bible.

I didn't really play with it a little bit. And then when my friend Alan came over, started working for you guys in development. Alan Pearson, he came over from Living Waters, came here. That's when I was like, okay, you know Fallon's coming over here.

I want to check this out a little bit more. Because I know him. I said there's this has got to be something worth checking out in more detail because it's got to be a solid thing for him to come over.

And so I started, that's when I started to invest a little bit more in checking out Blue Letter Bible. And his role is obviously to try to raise support and donations. And folks, if you do have the Blue Letter Bible, whether on the website or on your phone, there is that little link that you can go.

I'll look what it is specifically worded on the phone. But if you click on the middle where it has the Blue Letter Bible, you can, it has a donate now is what it says. But you can go to blb .org or you can type out blueletterbible .org if you feel like it.

But right on the top right of the menu is a donate button. Now, if you're, if you're thinking, well, hey, this is great. I'm encouraged. I want to help others. Let me give a one-time donation. Don't do that.

Don't ever do that. Because they have monthly bills. So it'd be better, even if you have to give a smaller amount, give a smaller amount every month than one time big amount. I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure you'd agree with this.

But you do have to pay bills. And do you have employees that like to get paid like every month? Or do they prefer just like whenever the money comes in that they get paid? No, they, they, they have, they have to make a livelihood and and families and They like to eat every month, not just when, just not when it so happens to, it's always, it always cracks me up when ministry, people's view of ministry.

I don't know if you get this, but I get it from people be like, well, you're in ministry. You should just trust the Lord. And I remember one gentleman that told me that he actually emailed us and said that I was in sin if I was to ask for donations at the conferences where we don't charge people to attend the conference.

But we do a love offering. And he said it was wrong to do a love offering. We should live by faith. And so, hey, you know, that's a great idea. How about you go to work on Monday? Tell your boss, hey, I don't want you to give me a paycheck.

If you feel like paying me, pay me. If not, I'm just going to keep working. He goes, I got to eat. I said, yeah, I know. Me too. Funny thing. You know, so, so folks, if you're going to donate, seriously, don't give a one-time donation, although they won't mind.

I'm looking at Andy. He's smiling. He doesn't mind. If you want, if you're going to do a one-time donation, make sure it's really big, like drop, you know, a couple thousand dollars and he'd really appreciate it.

But, but it's much better to give like a 20 or 25 donation every month than, you know, for years and years and years than to give a one-time big donation. Because it actually helps with an organization to be able to pay bills, to be able to do their budgeting.

One-time donations kind of throw off. You don't, you really can't budget for one-time donations. So you have to budget off the monthly. So consider, consider giving monthly. Because that will help this to, to be able to go forward.

They, you could do it through PayPal. They have that right on the website. You could do it through mailing in your, your donation. And so consider making sure you do that on a monthly donation. You could do it weekly if you want to.

They won't mind that. But the idea being, and they have an option, when you go into the website, you could do credit card, you could do an e-check, and you can set up how often to do it. So don't do the once, even though that's the default.

Quickly change that drop down to either monthly, quarterly, weekly, something else. Andy's just smiling. You realize that we, we, you understand exactly what we go through as being a ministry. Certainly appreciate your, your support and encouragement to our users.

We, we are thankful. And, you know, we, you know, we have a desire certainly to be sustainable on, in terms of a user-supported model. But, you know, our mission is global. And we're really praying that we could really expand the resources that we provide in, and provide them in other languages.

And, and that's the, the blessing of being in ministries. We can, we can make those ministry decisions. And, and Lord willing, one day, sooner than later, we'll be able to provide some resources in, in the Spanish language, Mandarin, in Hindi, and in some of these major languages around the world.

And start, start, start there and really begin to reach people with the Word of God. And here's the thing that I find interesting, is there's people who will support, either through their church or individually, missionaries, you know, Americans, to go somewhere in the world to be a missionary.

And they'll fund them. And it costs way more money to, to pay a missionary, to go to, to somewhere in China, and support them there, than it is to support a national there. I mean, this is where I think the technology is changing things.