Romans 11:33-12:2, How Do You Respond?, Dr. John Carpenter

Be reading from Romans chapter 11 verse 33 to chapter 12 verse 2 Hear the word of the

Lord. Oh the depth of the riches and the wisdom and the knowledge of God How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways for who has known the mind of the

Lord? Who has been his counselor or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?

For from him and through him and to him are all things to him the glory forever.

Amen. I Appeal to you therefore brothers by the mercies of God to present your bodies as a living sacrifice

Holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship Do not be conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind that by Testing you may discern what is the will of God what is good and acceptable and perfect May the

Lord has blessings to the reading of his Holy Word Well, how do you respond to things?

That depends on why you're responding to obviously if someone asked, how are you? How do you respond?

Most people just go with a simple fine Some people try to be cute Dave Ramsey always responds with better than I deserve

Some people go with if I was any better vitamins would be taking me that's too long to say or finer than frogs hair or being more spiritual too blessed to be stressed or the more truthful

Your attempt at social interaction to be polite is hereby acknowledged Of course, if you actually stopped and gave a detailed answer, you know told all about your physical ailments your worries

Maybe how troublesome family members are worrying you or a problem for you your financial problems

How you're disappointed in this or that relationship the weight that you want to lose or the money that you want to make

Whoever asked you. How are you? Would soon begin to respond with a look on their face that they'll be sure never to ask you that again

How you respond says a lot about you Psychologists will sometimes use a word Association or an inkblot test or some other similar kind of test ask you to respond to the first thing that comes to your mind

In order to see what you're like Unfiltered responses are revealing when

I saw the video of Jordan Peterson the famous psychologist Caught off guard was an intruder

Rushed onto the stage at Liberty University. I was struck by his unfiltered response as a media response he appeared totally unafraid of and Compassionate toward the distressed young man who was trying to get to him

I thought it spoke better of him than all the all the PR or all the advertising that you could buy

How do you respond to threats? Are you a fight person or a flight person?

When the shed caught fire Micah's response was immediately to go to it Hoping to try to save some things from it.

My response was to go as fast as I could It was actually in my car to the fire department next door Thinking that I could cut out the intermediary, you know the dispatcher the 9 -1 -1 dispatcher, but no one was there

So I had to call the 9 -1 -1 dispatcher Anyway, I should have called 9 -1 -1 first saved about a minute or two to fire departments came both

Providence and Yancey Ville The sheriff's department the casual County emergency management staff and a bunch of other people some of whom were just spectators

We called the people who officially are here for something like that First responders is their job to respond

Well, how do you respond? Maybe to good things to to mercy to grace to gifts

Traditionally, we're taught to respond with Thank you some expression of gratitude

Thank you cards are a custom etiquette at least to many people some people Teaches that you respond with a card you name the gift that you've been given and you express gratitude

Particularly for it there's even a business in producing thank -you cards because so many people send them even now when it's easier just to send a text or Message saying thank you.

Even if sometimes the sending of thank -you cards. Sometimes it's just fake It's just a kind of a custom people have developed.

They've forgotten really why they're doing it They're going through the motions it expresses it still even then expresses a good principle that we should respond to grace with gratitude

Well, how do you respond Here at the end of chapter 11. We've reached the mountaintop really of Romans Like a hiker going to the pinnacle of a highest peak in some great range and you stop at the top to take in the vista

Romans has gone from the depths of depravity in chapters 1 to 3 to God putting forward Christ is our propitiation

The second half of chapter 3 to justification through faith in chapter 4 to imputation of Christ's righteousness in chapter 5

Dying and rising with Christ in chapter 6 to the ongoing fight against sin in chapter 7 to the victory of chapter 8 and then

Answering the question. Well, who is all this for who is it for who are these? Super Conquers, he mentioned at the end of chapter 8 if if they're not people who work for it or If they're not people who just kind of inherit it because they're born into it.

Well, they are he says the elect They're the vessels of honor. They're the people to whom God gives mercy like Jacob to whom

God gives faith Through people with beautiful feet who are going out gathering all

Israel in chapters 9 to 11. So here he pauses and takes in this view.

He's reached the top There's the vista takes in this view and how does he respond? How do you respond?

How should you respond? We see that here in three parts first the exaltation

Then the presentation and finally the transformation. How do you respond to the gospel?

Well, you should respond first with exaltation. That's what Paul does in chapter 11 verses 33 and 36.

Oh Notice the emotion that's how he begins but with a no and inspired

Oh This isn't just a cerebral Romans is not just a cerebral analysis of theology

The gospel is it just good for an academic cool critical emotionally detached explanation now sometimes reform people particularly forget that so impressed by their own theology by they think they've mastered it better than other people but the beauty and the intricateness and the

Intellectually impressiveness of their theological systems and so the right books and papers which probably no one reads and engage in debates

So sure are they that they're complicated theology with this Latin phrases and speculations and elaborations and distinctions and Logic is how you respond to the gospel that with tombs of massive theology

That's how you respond to the gospel to salvation Well, they might look down on those simple pietistic people who are just sending singing hymns and songs and praising

God But sometimes simply singing praise with passion is

The best response That's what Paul does here. Oh there's the passion and inspired

Oh a word of amazement like reaching that peak looking down and the indescribably beautiful view below and oh the depth

It's so deep. We can't describe it other than with and oh It's it that is deep

Is first the riches that is God's wealth riches his wealth is deep

He's exalted God's wealth Earlier in Romans in chapter 2 verse 4.

He praises the riches of God's kindness That's wealthy and kindness in chapter 9 verse 23

He exalted in the riches of God's glory in chapter 10 verse 12 He exclaimed how

God bestows his riches on all who call on him and here he

God's riches inspires an oh not only God's riches deserve a no, but also God's wisdom

God's Oh Inspiring wisdom is his design how he has arranged things here in particular

His design of the gospel what he made it to be by wisdom God has put in the gospel the power of God for salvation

So instead of being ashamed and unashamed of the gospel for in it is the power of God for salvation Instead of being ashamed we go.

Oh and His knowledge is all -inclusive exhaustive Understanding so that he knows everything about everyone knows everything about everything

He knows how to save people to not just be a tribal God in Which people are saved if they just happen to be born to the right tribe the right nation or a religious

God Who gives out salvation to people who jump through the right hoops who keep the rules who do the right thing if they do the

Works and that then unlocks the so -called grace No, he knew better than that He knew a way to save people that's neither based on works or on ancestry on family on ethnicity one

That's based purely on his mercy. He has mercy on whom he will have mercy

Oh the depth of the riches and the wisdom and the knowledge of God His riches and wisdom and knowledge is so deep

We can't get to the bottom of it in verses 33 to 35 and look how Paul describes it there.

It is first unsearchable in verse 33 It's like an abyss

Deep at sea it was so deep. We can't find the floor to it now

Maybe with sonar today as assume we've mapped the bottom of every undersea Canyon But until recently very recently like in the last century in human history, there were abysses so deep that no one knew

Where they finally ended how deep it went. He's saying that that is a small picture of God's riches wisdom and knowledge

It's unfathomable. We can't measure how many fathoms it goes down to it's impossible to discover so we're no closer to discovering the end of God's wealth and wisdom and knowledge now than we were almost 2 ,000 years ago when this was written

It's also inscrutable. That is it's incomprehensible It's beyond our ability to explore you can never figure it out

So that you've mastered it like you got a master's degree in it And so, you know everything there is to know about that subject with with God's wisdom and riches and knowledge

You can't ever get there That's why the attempt by some theologians that if they you know, they think somehow they write in their pages

Accurately enough. They'll be able to get to the bottom of it to fully explain what God has done that is hubris is pride and folly a

Glimpse of God's ways at the gospel shouldn't first provoke more ink to be spilled

But more praise to be sung so that's what Paul does he goes to poetry

First to one of the most beautiful chapters in the Bible to Isaiah chapter 40 Particularly quoting verse 13 for who has known the mind of the

Lord Who could have guessed this? Who has been

God's counselor who could have advised him to come up with this?

Gospel and now a tribal God who saves everyone in the tribe that is in his chosen nation

That's easy to imagine people think God is like that all the time Imagining that their

God is always on their side. He's blessing their country and their people That's not remarkable at all a religious

God who saves people who gives him what he wants who rewards sacrifices He rewards money who who's as predictable as a vending machine

You put in the right coins, you know The right religious deeds the right rituals the right church attendance right giving you the right prayers and outcomes

The blessings you want from him That kind of God is totally fathomable

One of Mary's nephews tried to talk her mother his grandmother Out of believing in Christ by saying that when he prays to who was it

Buddha or ancestors or whatever traditional God? He prays to When he prays to this

God He gets the thing he asked for he gets what he wants The God responds by giving him what he's asking the prosperity preachers try to sell us the true

God the same way You know give God the money He wants by very conveniently by giving it to them.

You give God through them That's very inconvenient of for them and God will give you what you want

Now Mary told her mother that faith in God is not about getting the things you want It's about forgiveness of sins and a relationship with God that Christ our

Savior loves us and he will one day Restore all things and she nodded in agreement and understanding

When you're on your deathbed Being pitched a God who will give you the car or the money or the apartment or whatever you want

That's not going to impress you You want a God whose wealth and wisdom and knowledge is so unfathomable that it makes you go

Oh Here it makes Paul reach for more poetry this time from Job and Job chapter 41 verse 11

Originally God spoke it himself of himself Is one of God's near the end one of God's searing earth -shaking questions to make

Job question himself Job thought he could be God's counselor Job thought he could set

God straight tell him what to do and God asked him who has given to me That I should repay him

Now much human religion is about Trying to put God in our debt

You know telling people that if you give this you give a tithe and offering a sacrifice of prayer church attendance baptism, whatever a

Exhaustic You can buy off God He must respond in the way you want him to like a customer has to respond

You know if you run a business You give him the product the food whatever it is you're selling and he has to respond by giving you the money, right?

It's exchange like that. It's about trying to force God to respond in the way we demand Here Paul puts puts that what

God said and the third person he him and asked After we've been to that mountaintop and Seeing what

God has done for us in the gospel Do you still think? God has to respond to you as you demand

Who has given a gift to God that that he the giver? Might be repaid

Who was forced God? to give by giving God something

No one His responses God's responses are out of our control for in verse 36 that's because God's responses are out of our control because From him and through him and to him are all things and this answers three questions where How and why?

First where why can't we fathom him? What can we figure him out? Why can't we control how he responds to us?

because Where do all things come from and where? from him from God He is the creator.

He's the source everything comes from where comes from him When I was a little kid, but probably about seven eight,

I guess I noticed a day or two before Christmas that there was almost Or maybe no gifts for my mother under the

Christmas tree not realizing. It's a long Long husband's tradition to wait to Christmas Eve to do the shopping, but whatever

I noticed there was nothing for my mother under the Christmas Tree, so I thought I got to rectify this situation I knew there was a storage closet

My mother never visited but had a bunch of old things from her clothes and so forth and I thought well I don't have any money, but I can take some of that I wrap some of it up put it under the tree for her and of course it was her stuff

It came from her and but I was hoping maybe she wouldn't remember it, but she did you can't impress someone with things

That came from them in the first place Second how do all things come about?

Well, every Christian is going to say that they believe God is the creator of all things, but many think that God may have created it all originally that's where but then how things got the way they are now

That is through us. It's through our choices through our works is through our free will

Free meaning God is not in control of it It's our doing what we want to do or it's just a world out of control.

It's just random events That's the reason the world is the way it is now. That's that's what they think many are now functional

Even Christians are functional deist that isn't they believe a creator God But he is no longer in control

He just kind of set the world on moving and then it goes off out of his control

Like the footprints God who apparently really feels bad that you went through some rough times in life and your walk and through life and he even carried you

Therapeutically kind of emotionally through the rough times, but there really wasn't much he could do about those rough times.

Paul here says no Through him are all things God is the means he's the instrument through which everything is the way it is

As RC Sproul said if there were one maverick Molecule in this universe and the whole universe running loose

One molecule outside of God's control outside the scope of God's sovereign control God would not be sovereign everything wouldn't then be through him, but it is third why

Why is everything the way it is? What purpose does it serve? And if it's not the way

I like it's causing me pain. We think this is not right But when we think that way we're thinking it's got to serve a purpose for me

It's got to be about me and my comfort and my pleasure But that's not why all things are the way they are.

What's the goal of everything? Why? To him God is where everything is going as for his glory.

He's the end of it all especially our lives What's the chief in demand to glorify God and enjoy him forever?

So, of course, how do you respond to this unfathomable? Oh Inspiring gospel since all things are to him

To him be glory forever Amen How do you respond?

not only with exaltation Oh but also with presentation second

Presentation in chapter 12 verse 1 Something that you respond to the gospel of grace by hey, it's grace.

I don't have to respond at all You continue in sin that grace may abound Not change at all.

You spend your money just like before you spend your time like before you pursue the same same things You think the same thoughts you can go to church if you really want to if you're kind of into that thing

Kind of that into stuff like that, but you don't really have to do anything you respond by not responding

But just like if the doctor hits your knee with that little hammer and you don't respond your leg.

Does it kick up? You might be paralyzed You might have some disconnection in your brain between your life and your responses

Or you might be dead how a healthy person responds to God's mercy is by presentation of him or herself to God After though the exaltation

Paul appeals to us urges us because it's urgent that we respond in the right way

He urges by the mercies of God that is by the same mercy God has shown us urges you to present

Therefore because of all that indescribable gospel He's been describing for the first eleven chapters to present like worshipers in the old temple would present an offering

You know offerings had to be the right kind It'll be male or female a gold or a bull or a lamb or whatever depending on the sacrifice

And they had to be without blemish and the priest was to inspect what was presented to him The offering presented to him had to get to inspect it.

Was it the right sacrifice? So here's my offering presented for inspection we respond to God's unfathomable gospel by presenting our bodies as Sacrifices.

So this notice he says our bodies So this is flesh and bones this thing that lives on this earth

We present as a sacrifice Not something in his place not if I give a little money

I could kind of Pay off God and I could do with my body as I want know Our actual body our actual life, but it is a living sacrifice

We don't have to pour gasoline over our heads and set ourselves on fire. We don't have to thrust the sword into our guts

We don't have to go looking for some persecutor and provoke him to kill us We respond to God's salvation by living for him by what we do with our body

You present your body as a living sacrifice, but how you live day to day in the real world now, what's that mean?

Exactly. Well that he describes in the remaining chapters of Romans. It's what the rest of Romans is about Someone said that in Christianity religion how you get right with God is grace and ethics is gratitude religion is grace and ethics how you live is gratitude

You respond to God Having given you grace by gratefully

Giving your life to serve him It's not just that you spend six days a week.

Maybe five making money and one day doing chores Serving the dollar looking for fun and then a couple hours of Sunday morning

Hoping to placate the God that you've been ignoring all week. No you offer yourself

To him every day putting your life on that altar now sure you might serve him by working out of the world

You might be running a business. You're being employed. You have a job making money with your family doing chores

All the other things you do in life, but you do it all not Just to be making money get the chores done or have a family but as a way to worship

God You put your life on the altar Every day of course the problem with living sacrifices is they

Crawl off the altar here and now put your body your life back on the altar presented to God says holy that is set aside for God and acceptable

Well pleasing to God Now some people think God accepts any sacrifice, you know any worship that we intend to bring to him

He's just glad to have it. He's got it. He's like he's like a beggar. He's not so we can't be a chooser Anything we do for God any songs we sing any prayer any way we do the

Lord's Supper or not at all Any way we baptize or not Anything we do in church or supposedly for him in private.

He accepts it all But that's false from the beginning God had acceptable worship worship that he accepts and Leviticus God gave detailed instructions for how the

Old Testament worship was supposed to be conducted You know all the sacrifices and the rituals and everything down to the instruments used

Right down to where where the fire came from you can't just get fire from anywhere Can't just have a lighter in your pocket and start the fire has to be a particular

Holy fire to use that they use in burnt offerings now one day and Leviticus 10 Two of Aaron's sons made a bonobo who thought that they could take a shortcut

Maybe the Holy Fire was on the other side of the tabernacle I guess there was some convenient fire here use that right here.

Why bother the following instructions any fire? What's the difference fires fire? Well, God sent his own fire to devour them

And John chapter 4 the Lord Jesus says that those who worship him must People always looking at the spirit and truth part must worship him in spirit and truth.

He also says must Must means it's required. God insists that worship be done his way and that's true of the worshipful giving of our bodies to him

We don't get to live any way we choose and say well, I'm doing it for the Lord. Oh No, we lay our body on the altar for him and that is our spiritual as an in the spirit worship spiritual as opposed to fleshly making ourselves

Do rituals or ceremonies going through the motions? No spiritual means from the heart led by the spirit or the word they're literally

Can be translated logical We really often think logical and spiritual kind of opposites.

Don't we often a lot of people do but here's the same word Our logical worship the worship that reasonably, you know, which if you think clearly about it, you're thinking

Logically reasonably about how should I worship God? You've been to that mountaintop you get a glimpse of the unfathomable works of God in salvation and responding

Reasonably you think about it by offering your whole lives For him.

Well, which is it? Is it spiritual or is it logical? Well, it's both the only logical response

To is to worship God his way with our bodies spiritually

How do you respond to God's unfathomable salvation third By transformation in verse 2

You've reached the mountaintop and you see this Oh Inspiring view of God's inscrutable ways in saving his people you respond by that vision

So impressing itself on to you that you are different From those who haven't seen it you give your life as a living sacrifice and Your mind is changed

Do not be conformed to this world Don't respond to the culture around you by just mindlessly doing whatever it does

You value things you think things the same way it does You show you're born in your age.

You're gonna just like it It starts naming its pronouns because after all it thinks people can change their sex

So you start naming your pronouns it puts money -making ahead of worship if you're conformed to this world.

Well you do the same don't respond like that instead be a Be a non -conformist.

It's what the Puritans called themselves non -conformist a dissenter an oddball an outsider

To this world literally age. It's what the world the word their world is age.

It's not the planet This is the problem. It's not the earth It's the cultures the society the spirit of what

Paul calls this present evil age in Galatians chapter 1 verse 4 So don't be like it

This age has a mold that is pressing people's minds into so that they conform So they think and they say and they value what the age says it says serve money

Conform people go along it squeezes minds into this mold people this age value money first.

And so they think that They have to work Instead of go to church. You're not conformed to it

If you put worship the Word of God the body of Christ ahead of dollars people of this age value ego first They want to be seen as somebody they might even come to church just for that purpose

For the purpose of being looked up to is the big shot But they won't serve the body of Christ with what it needs with the gifts that they have

People of this age value words only as tools to get what they want whether it's true or not

They don't even think about that so if it makes them feel good to say something or if it serves their purposes to say something like make a promise and Now they'll say it without any thought that they actually have to keep that promise

No thought that their words bind them to do what they've committed to do people this age value

Expressive individualism me doing what I want to do what fulfills me what

I feel like and you know you must affirm me and what I say

I feel like or You're hateful. You're a bigot. You should be censored and canceled

So if a woman says she's a man or if a man says he's most pleased by having sex with other men Well, we just have to go along or we're we're hateful

That's the spirit of our age Now if you're just conformed to the present evil age You'll think like the world us

You'll decide just like it decides by what gives you the most money what serves your ego or what serves your thrills?

You'll blather empty words and your kids will be conformed to Maybe you were conformed to a conservative culture all about money making and business and family and dressing

Nice looking good. And now you wonder what went wrong with my kids They're conformed to a pleasure -seeking they're lazy they're tick -tock queer affirming culture and what did

I do wrong you might ask Why don't they follow my example? Well, they did

Just like you were conformed to the present evil age. So now are they?

You're both conformed Just two different cultures in the same age instead

You should be transformed We are transformed by the renewal of our mind

Renewing means to make new again. You take your minds back Like a computer go back to factory settings take your mind back to the condition

They were created for if there had been no if there had been no sin, no fall. No present evil age twisting our minds and in wrong ways squeezing them into its cast the culture leaving its impression on us like a steel -on -the -hot -wax

We need our minds renewed So that they'll go back to what they should be before a sinful world distorted them and we do that with Mostly with the

Word of God through the Word of God and by reading it and meditating on it memorizing it singing it listening to it

They sing to a preacher taught or applied people advising us with with his word.

We press it down into our minds And we change the old shape of our thoughts

When we thought that family or money or ego sexual expression was what mattered most and Keeping our word didn't matter at all because that's what the culture around us taught be transformed

Press the Word of God on to your minds until it Changes your mind

Respond to God's Word by being transformed by it Not by making it fit Comfortably into this present evil age and by doing that taking every thought captive to obey

Christ you will then be able to test all situations in your life the decisions you're to make

With a renewed mind one that thinks like God thinks you'll be able to know

God's will Should you buy that business? Should you have that relationship?

Should you go on that trip? Should you move there? Should you spend that money? Did you buy that thing?

Did you study that? Be trained for this or that marry him or her if your mind is transformed so that you love

God and You love what you will then love what God loves You will think like God thinks now not as deeply not as widely because you're not capable of that but as far as you can think you will think like God and then

You can discern you can distinguish you can think clearly you can discern. What is

God's will in all your decisions? You'll know what is good

What's acceptable Same word is in verse 1 about acceptable worship. That is what's pleasing to God and What is perfect?

That's what's the final goal? What's the right purpose for everything? be transformed

How do you respond to God's unsearchable gospel To a wretch like you being saved

Certainly not by doing nothing only the dead don't respond to something that Oh inspiring

You respond not by trying to pay him off or pay him back. You can't you can't get him in your debt

He's too rich for that you respond by enjoying him and Giving him glory forever by giving your body every day to live for him and the

Lord Jesus Gave himself for you. So we respond by giving ourselves

You respond by giving yourselves to him. That's the only worship

God will accept We respond by Undoing the distortions of our present evil age that twisted our minds to live for money for pleasure for ego to now think we transform them to now think and love like God thinks and Loves we respond by offering our body and mind to God How do you respond?