January 18, 2021 Show with Dr. Latayne C. Scott on “Crisis: Crucible of Praise–Finding Grace in the Midst of Adversity”

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I'm always thrilled to have back as a returning guest someone I have known going all the way back to the 1990s before I even had my own radio program, while working as an account executive for WMCA 570 AM.

And at that time, they reopened in Rutherford, New Jersey. And they also moved to later to Hasbrook Heights, New Jersey, where I was an employee there for 15 years. And now they are located in New York City, which is where they originally started in the early 1900s.

But while working as an account executive for WMCA, I had developed a very close friendship with the in-house talk show host, Andy Anderson, host of Talk New York, which was later renamed Andy Anderson Live.

And I urged Andy, after discovering Dr. Latane C. Scott's book, The Mormon Mirage, which she wrote because she is a former Mormon who converted by the grace of God to biblical Christianity. But when I urged Andy to interview her, he quickly discovered why I urged him to interview her, because he started to truly love interviewing her as well.

And then when I got my own program, I made sure that I had invited Latane C. Scott back on the program as often as possible. And as I said, she is a Mormon convert to biblical Christianity, and she is the author of over two dozen books, including The Mormon Mirage, which I mentioned earlier, and the multiple award-winning A Conspiracy of Breath.

She received Pepperdine University's Distinguished Christian Service Award for her writing and is TSU's author-in-residence, along with Dr. Stephen Collins, founder of Trinity Southwest University and chief archaeologist of the Tol el-Haman, which is Sodom, archaeological excavations in Jordan.

She co-wrote Discovering the City of Sodom. And it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trump and Zion Radio to discuss Crisis Crucible of Praise, Finding Grace in the Midst of Adversity, Dr. Latane C. Scott.

Want our listeners to know that if you have a question of your own for Dr. Scott, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com. And as always, please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, and I could obviously expect that there may be listeners who do have very personal and private questions they may wish to ask because of the nature of our discussion.

Crisis Crucible of Praise, Finding Grace in the Midst of Adversity. Obviously, there are many circumstances in folks' lives that would be accurately defined as being a crisis or being in the midst of adversity that would compel someone to remain anonymous.

So we obviously will allow you to remain anonymous if it is about such a personal and private matter. But if it is just a general question about Latane's life, about her own crisis that led to this book, about a theological issue, etc., involving the subject, then please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

First of all, Latane, I understand that this, in fact, I know this is a republished work because I remember years ago, back in the 90s, reading Crisis Crucible of Praise cover to cover. And I'm almost certain we had Andy Anderson interview you on the first edition of that book.

And, but now it has been republished by TSU Press. And I'm so thrilled that they have done this. Tell us about the catalyst that compelled you to initially write the book to begin with.

Well, early in my writing career, she developed trying to figure out what it was. She said, yeah, you know, she said, yes, you know, so I said, yes, it's what we need to do. And she assured us it wasn't.

Anyway, the process we went through on that, and the way that our family wrote a book about that, and what I discovered, I said, Mom, why do you think all these crises are happening to you right in the middle of it?

I don't know, but maybe God's giving you enough training. And then she said, next time, write a book about getting rich. People have come back to me and said, you know, the book's been out of print. So I had that foundation on which my faith has been built.

And although I acknowledge, Chris, I went through quite a trial leaving Morganism and finding out that the God I was worshiping didn't exist, when I've had a couple of other, in terms of overall of trial.

Grief, Widowhood, and Hope in Christ

Well, tell us, I mean, you are a recent widow. Tell us how long you were married to Dan, and perhaps give a little bit more detail on Dan's entering into glory with Christ for eternity. We did mention in previous interviews Dan's illness, and I may be mistaken, but is this the first time you've been on the program since Dan went home to be with the Lord?

Yes. So why don't you just tell our listeners a little bit something about that, since it definitely relates to the theme, and there may be widows and widowers listening who could benefit greatly from what you have to say.

I myself am a widower, and even though it has been over a decade since my own precious bride went home to be with the Lord for eternity, I still battle very deep and serious grief and mourning and depression.

And not everybody responds the same way to death and to grief. And of course, not only is everybody an individual, but the people that we lose are very unique in our individuals. So there is no cookie cutter explanation or description of how people, how and why people go through what they do.

All that we know as Christians for certain is that we do not have to grieve like those who have no hope. We have a great peace and even a joy that would buffer the deep pain that we may feel, because when we know our loved one who has departed is with Christ for eternity, that certainly helps us through the pain.

And no matter what circumstances exist, even if someone loses a loved one that they're not certain of whether or not that person knew Christ before departing this earth, we know that the judge of all the earth will do what is right.

So, but if you could tell us some more details about this.

So I started, the idea is that I'm somebody who has the videos that they want a little bit more detail than I'll be able to give here. But from the time actually before I met him, he had different health issues that would crop up and often life threatening.

Fine print that says you understand you can get.

Can you spell that just so our listeners hear clearly what that is?

Sure. Because I had that foundation, no matter how many times doctors told me as when he got pneumonia, while he was on the bed, I could no longer care for him. To go through this, the last part of his life, his nursing home with this COVID crisis, what he did in terms of physical circumstances get worse and worse.

He died in my arms, who held the keys of death and hate. And he turned and looked at me at the last moments of his life. And I knew he knew what I was saying. And I am, he passed to my great joy.

Yeah, I had the privilege of having my own mom enter into eternal rest with Christ while she was in my arms as well. And she was 70. And this was six weeks after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

We were told she had six months and the Lord took her in six weeks. And I can still remember very clearly the morning that my dad called me up and said, your mom wants her children by her side. She knows that she's going to heaven.

So please get over here as soon as you can. And thankfully I got there before she departed this earth. Sadly, I was the only sibling that got there before she passed away. But I had the privilege of singing amazing grace to her, which had become her favorite song that she played on a little portable tape recorder every day, multiple times a day.

And I told her that the day that she had longed for, because while she was dying of pancreatic cancer, and I thank God for this in ways I can't even describe, but she was not saying, I want to live, I want to live.

She was saying to me every time I visited her, do you think Jesus will take me home today? I sure hope so. That helped me enormously. And so I told her, you can let go, mom. Jesus is waiting for you. I know that he is waiting for you and you're going to Jesus.

And she kissed me on the cheek and not long after that, she died, just minutes later. But I thank God that he blessed me with that incredible, precious memory and that I did not get there too late as my siblings did.

But we're here to talk about your story, not mine.

Well, okay. Now we build each other up, you know, iron sharpens iron.

Amen. Now you may have said this, I'm sorry, but how long ago did Dan enter glory? Time really flies by fast. And you were married, how long, was it 40 years? Wow. Well, praise God for that as well. I'm going to repeat our email address.

It's chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

We have a first time questioner named Amy from, and I don't know if I'm pronouncing this correctly, Trezevant, Tennessee or Treesvant?

Trezevant.

Trezevant. Well, I really butchered it. Trezevant. Oh, really? Oh. Well, Amy says, how many times did you need to stop typing, wipe your tears away, ask God to give you the strength without tears to finish the book?

But I was still, I'll go back and look at these things that I've written, Chris, and I have to be honest. How in the world could any young family survive what happened? I even look back one after another and I look back at things like that and I think, how in the world did I survive that?

But I know it's because the Lord gave me like a gyroscope inside me and it's the Holy Spirit and it kept writing and speaking so that I can encourage others as they go through things.

If you give us your full mailing address, your full name and full mailing address in Tennessee, you are going to receive a free copy of the book we are discussing, Christ's Crucible of Praise, Finding Grace in the Midst of Adversity, by our guest, Dr. Latane C. Scott.

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And I've been so blessed by our friendship. She has written a book that has been recently brought back into print, Crisis, Crucible of Praise, Finding Grace in the Midst of Adversity. In fact, I'm going to read a commendation for this book that was written by a mutual longtime friend of both Dr. Latune C. Scott and myself, Dr. F. Lagarde-Smith, author of the best-selling The Daily Study Bible and other award-winning books.

Lagarde says, memorable, practical, neatly tied packages of insight and encouragement for praising God even through the clenched teeth of personal tragedy if necessary. That's a really powerful commendation by our friend Lagarde.

And if you have any questions, those of you who are listening, on Finding Grace in the Midst of Adversity, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com. We have Joseph in South Central Pennsylvania who has a question.

And he asks, can you compare how you reacted to adversity in your life as a Mormon to the way that you have responded to it as a born-again believer in Christ Jesus?

My answer makes sense. I have always had a sense that God was doing good, even when I was a Mormon. Again, going back to, I've never had a time. All these guys are saying, I kind of generalized from that, that he is, because of what he says, he says he's not willing for any to perish.

For all to come to, I guess the answer is he lied it.

If you could expand on that a little bit, not to derail our conversation into an in-depth conversation about Mormonism, because for those of you interested folks, we have interviewed Dr. Latane C. Scott on Mormonism a number of times.

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So you can find out more about Mormonism. In fact, if you type in Mormonism, we've done quite a number of interviews with different guests on Mormonism. Just to elaborate a little bit, Mormonism, as you know, one of the very serious heresies and aberrant teachings of Mormonism is that they diminish God and make him too much like us.

Now I'm not talking about, obviously, that precious truth that Christians believe, the incarnation of Christ, that Jesus Christ was fully man and fully God. But the whole essence of God is diminished and made more manlike, it appears, in Mormonism.

And he is less, it seems from every time I've heard Mormons speak and I've heard Mormons involved in debate, there is something less about their view of his omnipotence, if you will. And there is a lot more man-centeredness in their understanding about how these things come to play in our lives like Christ's.

But if you could pick up where I left off there, I hope I'm making sense there.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, Chris. And if I don't hear what you're saying...

Yes, I've heard how liberal they are becoming, amazingly, and they're softening their views on homosexuality and other things.

Well, you might say, well, that identification of disadvantage. When I was a Mormon, I saw it as a great advantage. Well, of course, as you said, the truth of Christianity is that God did become man, but he didn't start out as man.

He took on the form of a servant and emptied himself.

In fact, if I could butt in with this quote that I have, I think, remembered by heart by a Mormon so-called prophet, Lorenzo Snow, as we are, God once was, and as God is, we can become. And I'm probably not saying that word for word exactly as he said it, but the concept is certainly the same.

You got the sense. And that's what I feel diminished by that. I decided that he was diminished because they teach much less about that and much more now. The emphasis is on...

Well, Joseph, give us your full mailing address in South Central Pennsylvania, because you have also won a free copy of Crisis Crucible of Praise, Finding Grace in the Midst of Adversity by our guest, Dr. LaChainsey Scott.

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We have Heather, a first-time questioner from Winchester, Virginia. In this day, it is common for people to dismiss our crisis struggle if it conflicts with their worldview. What is your advice if your crisis has been life-altering, but others do not consider your crisis or its cause valid?

And you could ponder on that question, and I'll repeat it when we return from the midway break. And of course, you can answer it when we return. And folks, please be patient with us, because this is our longer-than-normal break in the middle of the show that we have every day.

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