Do I Have to Violate My Fad Diet Just Because Some Jerk from Church Made Me Dinner?

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We're your host harrison kerrigan pastor tim mullet.

And today we'll seek to answer the age -old question do i have to violate my fad diet just because some

jerk from church made me dinner now it might come as a bit of a shock to some but the

christian life is actually more than just seeing other people other christians your brothers and

sisters in christ more than just sunday morning and and wednesday night too.

I guess it's more than seeing your christian brothers and sisters more than two times a week that typically

span about two to three hours.

Max probably we see it throughout the uh the book of

acts we see it in jesus's life.

We see it in the early church.

And we should be seeing it today as well.

Brothers and sisters in christ that come together and spend time with one another love each other by getting to know

one another and building relationships with with one another that go like i said just beyond a sunday

morning or a wednesday night class.

Um we should we should be in each other's lives.

And one of the ways that is easy to do this is by sharing meals together.

And not only not only do we use meals as a way to get to know each other and and be any

involved in each other's lives but we also use it or we should be using it at least as a way to serve

other people when they're in need.

One of the things that i love so much about the church that that tim and i attend is um when people are in

need when people are sick a lot of people are having babies right now.

One of the one of the things that everyone loves to do is come together and say hey let's make a list

and let you know let's put a schedule together of who can bring um meals

to the new parents or to whoever is sick so so that we can take that burden off of them and serve them

in that way and demonstrate our love for one another.

Um and and so meals end up becoming a pretty big part of the christian life just because

because they're so universal we all need to eat and um and so this is a just a good

way to be involved with one another serve one another.

The problem is that it seems like more and more uh there there's with

the with the invention of the internet especially there's like cropping up all of these different

kinds of diets that you can start.

I mean there's a there's pretty much i feel like there's a diet for everything.

If you want to cosplay as like a caveman there's a caveman diet that you can follow where you just eat raw

meat and that's supposed to be you know that's supposed to be healthy for you.

Um there's diets you know avoiding meat altogether.

There's diets that take it beyond just avoiding meat and involve avoiding all animal

products whatsoever.

You know gluten -free diets sugar -free diets.

Which i mean to be fair we should probably all be eating a lot less sugar than we actually do.

But that's a conversation for a different day.

There's there's tons of different kinds of diets out there.

And on top of that it seems like there's more and more people who are being either self

-diagnosed or diagnosed by a family doctor or something with various different types

of um allergies as it relates to food.

Peanut allergies nut allergies in general i think is a big one um uh milk

allergies that that's a pretty big one too gluten is like the like the it seems like the most popular one

now gluten uh now that.

Gwyneth Paltrow invented the gluten allergy.

Literally everyone has the gluten everyone has.

It now.

Um but there's all these diets coming up there's all these allergies that that people are getting

diagnosed with more and more and that seems to create

problems when it comes to other people serving you food.

Uh it seems it seems to create issues where people start to say okay here here's you know hey i want to

make you a meal.

Okay well here's what i can have and what i can't have.

And it's like this long long list of things and and uh to be fair i think there are you know some

allergies that literally are like a hey if i eat this i'll die kind of thing.

Um i don't i don't know that those are um i think those are probably pretty rare

but but they are out there um and and so you have all these problems and so we wanted to take

some time to sit down and talk about what do we do with all this.

Because we're supposed to serve one another and food is just such a it's such a simple way it's such a universal

way to serve one another and to bring people you know bring people over invite them into your homes.

Uh and so we need to sit down and talk about how do we navigate this how do we view all these things.

And so tim why don't we just start with when it comes to uh

my church my brothers and sisters in christ and they say hey we want to have you over for dinner.

And i know i'm on a very strict diet.

I'm on i'm on the newest i'm on the newest fad diet it's the biggest craze right now and it's gonna

give me you know washboard abs.

Uh you know i'm gonna lose 100 pounds off this diet.

But if i if i break it this time i'm never gonna go back.

I know i'm never gonna go back.

So so in that scenario should the person violate their fad diet just

because some jerk from the church who has no idea that they're on this diet right now is trying to have them over

for dinner.

Yeah definitely.

Man violate that violate the fad.

Diet it's that easy.

Is that easy.

Yeah no.

I mean um one of the things that's happened is that um i mean we obviously as americans we're

significantly overweight and obese at this point and so there there is a reality that most

of us should probably.

You know eat less than what we're eating.

Oh even the children.

Man it's pretty embarrassing.

Yeah we're all fat.

Okay so i mean there's a there's certainly a problem and i think many people are um right

to point out that um you know the results speak for themselves.

Okay so just go to your neighborhood walmart and you will see the reality of what we speak of

without too much difficulty.

So you know a lot of people are overweight and that's that's a real problem and in there's you know there's

obviously a lot of preventable diseases that um um could be avoided if we would

eat healthier and we're in pretty bad shape.

You know we're getting fatter as.

As a country.

Uh it's yeah.

Heart disease is one of the leading killers in our country.

Yeah i mean most of the main um causes of death are are weight related um so you know it's

significant problem.

I i saw a picture of a guy.

I think it was like a picture of a guy in 1908 or whatever.

The fattest man in the world in 1908.

He just looked like a normal guy at Walmart now.

It's pretty funny.

But he was the fattest guy in the world you know i need to find that.

I need to find that picture.

It's pretty funny.

It's pretty funny.

Actually now that you say it i.

Think i have i feel like i have seen that before because i feel like i i have heard someone make the same

comment like hey this just looks like my neighbor this is my neighbor yeah.

So we're overweight and you know our diet is you know one of the most unhealthy

diets in history of the world for sure i mean that food pyramid thing was way off and so i think there's a lot of things that are

conspiring to keep us overweight and keep us fat and so there's there's there's things to be considered at that

point and you know a lot of us would do better like we'd be better stewards of the body that God has given us if we

would pay a little bit more attention to the kind of foods that we're eating and the quantities that we're eating i mean you could think about

um i saw a um i think it was a documentary on McDonald's at one point and you know

that um the single cheeseburger with a small drink and a small fry that

used to be an adult meal you know so so we're certainly like the portions are getting bigger we're we're getting

fatter.

I mean a lot of it's the sugar that we're drinking.

We're drinking a lot of sugar.

Um you know the easiest way to gain a bunch of weight is just to drink sugar drinks and most of us are addicted addicted

to sodas and um you know in the south sweet tea.

Um if you go to other parts of the country they have no idea what you're talking about there but um no i mean we're addicted to and like

we have problems and we we should uh try to make changes.

But then on the other side of things that one of the things that's happened is that um you do have very

strong expectations in the bible of both giving and receiving hospitality.

So god's created the world in such a way that food takes a big place um in the life of

you know what we do uh you know he's created us in such a way that we need to eat you know several times a day

um you know a couple to three times a day on average is what most people eat.

Um there's you know there's diets out there that try to get you to eat five times a day but you know it's normal

to eat three meals a day.

Life centers around food.

You know if you just try to eat once in the morning you're going to be hungry pretty soon.

And i mean that's part of the way that life works.

And you know that's um um god's made the world in such a way that it does center

around food.

You know food takes a

it's unavoidably tied to food.

That's the way it works.

I mean when we um when we meet jesus at the end of you know history we're going to

be invited to the marriage supper of the lamb where we're going to eat.

You know jesus talks about he's not going to you know drink the fruit of the vine again until he drinks it anew with us in

his kingdom.

So i mean the food takes a prominent place in this life in the next.

And and we you know as you read through the bible there's a lot of about hospitality.

And you know they like the idea of hospitality in the bible it is very food centric.

And so there's a lot that the bible has to say about hospitality about giving and receiving hospitality doing so joyfully

and it really is centered around food uh predominantly.

And so as christians we need to regain like a doctrine of hospitality.

Uh that's part of the point of the part of the point here and the idea of just like not

accepting food hospitality from one of your family members is just you know from from biblical point of view that's

just unthinkable.

That's uh in like it's a gross insult.

It's the height of entitlement.

It's it's really just it's really bad and we're getting um we're getting to a point right now where we're so

unaccustomed to hospitality the world's getting more impersonal.

We're so unaccustomed to hospitality in general that we just we have like we do things that

would be unthinkable throughout.

Most of the history of the world.

Okay.

Yeah i mean like you know i was thinking about this the other day when i was growing up.

Um one of the things that would just happen all the time as a kid is i would just i would go to

other people's houses and i would knock on their door you know.

And i and i would.

Sometimes it was my friend who answered the door.

Sometimes it was friends parents who would answer the door whatever.

And you know i would just say hey you want to come out and and let's play outside or hey is so and so

home i want to you know.

See if they wanted to do something.

And that's pretty much um like an unthinkable thing to do now.

Like like if someone not if someone knocks on someone else's door it's almost treated like a

who the.

Heck could be here you know.

Yeah i yeah the uh what does that show.

Uh jerry jerry seinfeld uh show with um the cars and comedians or something like that.

Oh i'm cars and i have no idea all.

Right.

Well there's some kind of show i saw um i don't watch a whole lot of tv i can't remember what it's called but there was an episode on

there that i saw a brief bit of it.

But he mentioned the fact that company is one of those words that has been erased from

our vocabulary.

So you used to talk about having company over or something like that.

And he was pointing out that like that word no longer like exists in our vocab.

Like we don't even talk like that anymore.

We don't say we're having company over.

And part of that's because we've just we're everything's online now we've lost any concept of

hospitality.

But then you know as you read the bible one of the things you'll see is um the bible is very clear about this.

So you know first corinthians 10 27 says if an unbeliever invites you to dinner and you're disposed to go

bible says eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of your conscience.

Now i mean that's talking about like you know if they give you meat offered to idols you need to eat it.

But then the the instruction there is you eat whatever is set before you.

And that used to be like a very strong christian expectation that if someone's going to cook a meal and you're going to go over their house and you

you know what hospitality means if they're going to spend their money on that food and make that food for you.

Right.

Yeah they spend the time to make spend the time you know like to get their house cleaned

up get groceries cook the thing like it's an insult.

It's like the height of ingratitude to say no thanks.

But then like we do that without blinking.

Right we not only do we do that we give them a list of all of our expectations about the things that we're

you know willing to eat.

Um so we make it difficult for just like pure preference issues.

We have all these like questionable categories of food sensitivities that we bring up to you know make the

process even more difficult.

And then you know to make matters even more complicated you get you have all the fad diets that are out there and you know things like

that.

And so you know we've just we've lost this idea of just giving joyfully and receiving hospitality

you know thanksgiving and and i think that that.

Used to go even beyond.

Um they used to go beyond even just like um the christian

worldview right.

Like i mean i was i was raised that you eat whatever people give you

right.

No matter what and not even and not even you eat it but like you finish it

and you say thanks even if you don't like it.

Yeah.

No no it definitely is coming from the bible.

It's coming from the bible.

But it's is every society throughout the history of the world even even non -christians recognize that

that is the morally right thing to do to show respect.

Right.

To show respect.

Yeah.

And to show gratitude and.

To show thankfulness and to not embarrass someone.

And to you know like we just had banners like we had simple manners and so like right now we're living in a like a unique

time where we've just lost the concept.

But then it's not.

It's not as if we've just gotten more sophisticated as a society.

Is like this is a downgrade.

Yeah we're regressing.

Yeah even the pagans understand this you know.

So like this isn't something new but i mean this is one of those things where if you talk about um you'll have no shortage of

people who get really really mad at you just saying this basic thing.

So yeah so like the long story short is it is a very real biblical expectation that you you

know you joyfully gratefully receive hospitality even if you're on a diet.

You know.

And so um i mean there's a lot we could say about the like your fad diets and everything else but i mean the

short the short of it is it's just a real expectation that you need to come up with.

But do you have any more questions along those lines.

Yeah two diets.

Yeah.

So um i guess.

Relating to the dot you know you're saying hey you need to give up the diet momentarily at least

right.

Um and some in some of these cases probably so so that

relates to fad diets right.

Like i can't you know if i'm if i'm on my carnivore only diet and

someone and someone gives me puts vegetable puts some steaming broccoli on my plate.

Um you know you you expect you expect me the bible expects me god

expects me to eat what my food eats.

Yeah basically get over yourself.

Yeah no so just eat the broccoli.

Yeah no i mean i i there there is a very real biblical command are there.

There is like um biblical like precedent for attempting to

take care of yourself but then what's what's happening is this just a massive overreaction that people are having

as it relates to these concepts and so we don't have any self -control is part of the problem.

Yeah we don't we don't have any self -control and so then you know if you're going to embark on some sort of diet you you treat it

like you're some kind of food addict or something like that you're literally addicted to sugar and you're literally addicted to stuff and

what you need is you need some sort of like food purge and food purity.

And right now a lot of the diets are like a lot of your fad diets are elimination diets in one way or another so it's either a whole

foods kind of thing or it's a you know carnival carnivore diet or you know there was

the south beach diet which was pretty similar to like all the paleo stuff um so you know you have like the

paleo kind of diet keto keto diet you have carnivore diet whole 30 diet

you know so all those are elimination diets and then that's where um you come into con conflict but

i mean there is a very real expectation that you can't just shut your life off and stop being a christian and

neglect all your christians and responsibilities.

And so people really do have to think about these kind of diets like how they're going to um

approach them and um you know because if you're going to approach them such a way that like

what you don't want to do is you like god's declared all foods clean right.

Yeah so there's not like clean foods and unclean foods and everything else there are foods that are better for you and there's

foods that are worse for you uh and some people can get like way out of control here where you know like if you're on a

carnivore diet or something like that you you look at something like uh food cooked in uh

you know soybean soybean oil or whatever and you you call it literally.

Poison.

Right.

And so in a lot of these diets they're playing if you eat um if you eat soy you're gonna

boost your estrogen levels or whatever.

Yeah.

And so it's poison all that and.

It's like this is just dramatic overreactions and you know this is not really a healthy way to approach food like

there's no such thing as clean and unclean food like we do have like new food purity kind of laws where you treat

certain foods as poisoned and you know that's just i mean it's just not a healthy way approach life in general.

Now if you want to do that you want to say hey i want to you know i want to do uh you know

psmf for you know 30 days or whatever and stick to it generally i mean

what you need is like what you really need is you need like some kind of concept of faithfulness in your normal life

that's mixed with just like some sort of allowance for feasting.

Right.

And so uh the bible has a lot to say about feasting and a lot to say about thanksgiving let's say about hospitality so you don't

want to adopt some rigid diet that's going to i mean you need a plan if you're going to lose weight if you're going to get in shape

you're going to get healthy you need some sort of plan.

A lot of these things aren't sustainable anyways.

But you need some like most most diets have built within them some sort of cheat meal kind of thing

anyways so you know you if 21 meals a week you eat you know your 19

healthy meals and you eat your two meals that are cheat meals where you eat whatever you want you really do need to be on the kind of diet

where you know it does have some time there's a break somewhere there's a break somewhere there's like

it's that you're that you can show to yourself that you're not being a food legalist right that you're not

adopting new laws and that you're able you're not going to violate other things the bible say says for the sake of obeying in

another area.

You just want to balance life in general and the more that you stick to these things i mean they're not very sustainable anyways.

And so you know as my wife and i have we approach these things i mean what we've always tried to do is just okay

we're going to make an intentional effort to lose weight but if anyone invites us over to their home like we're going to eat whatever they

give us with thanksgiving and that'll be our cheat meals you know so you have a good health like what you need is you need like

healthy normal uh patterns that you establish routines like for your

family that are life -giving.

And then you need to like chill out when people invite you over and just give with it you know give whatever they

yeah be willing to eat whatever is set before you because that's not just an optional arbitrary thing that's

just part of the christian life now i mean like it could be that you have so many

people you know inviting you over one night a week or whatever that you just if you end up you know

going saying yes to everyone you're never going to have a diet at all.

You're going to end up like a wall -e person or something like that but you know lose the ability to walk

now i mean most people are not anywhere near like that kind of problem.

You know if you have a person over once a week that's i mean most people need to shoot to have more hospitality in their life not less

hospitality in your life and and so you know most people are not anywhere near that.

And you know i think um like um the god god's honored when you

you're not a food legalist and you haven't adopted new food purity laws and you know if you're going to do like

restrictive elimination kind of diets uh things like that you just need you need to do so uh not

not as a food legalist but as a person who's just making an intentional decision that has room you know

to budge um so so yeah i mean i think that you know some of those things you can do those things for a

little bit and lose a little bit of weight make different lifestyle changes but you'll gain it all back if you don't have some way

of getting on some kind of healthy scheme long term and you just so the

basically the point though is just to say that you need to have some sort of allowance for you know god's given us all things for chewing to

enjoy about making new food laws and you know having some sort of flexibility built within the system and

hospitality is a good chance to build that flexibility within it.

Okay so that.

Applies to the sort of the person who's saying hey i'm making a personal choice

you know to what.

Like get healthier whatever you know you you can.

Obviously there's a lot of different ways to go about doing that.

And some are more effective than others.

Um but with all of those with all of those sorts of diets we're basically talking about

someone who is in and of themselves saying hey i want to try and sort of reform

you know my diet.

Take back my health.

Probably in some way.

Um what about the person who they go to the doctor and the doctor for

whatever reason tells them you know hey you've really got to cut back on

x.

Or hey you've got to cut this out entirely.

Or you know you're gonna you're gonna face serious health problems down the road.

Or even you know possibly even like hey i mean you could you could there's a very real chance that you could die

if you keep eating whatever.

You know whatever the thing is does.

Is that like in a separate category than the person who is in and of themselves just saying hey i you know

i'm a little bit overweight i want to i want to cut back.

Um are the are those different categories in your mind when it comes to the hospitality thing.

Or are they still the same.

I mean it just this is just a broad.

Spectrum of the kind of things that you could be talking about in general so i mean there are like real

food allergies like peanut allergies and um you know shellfish allergies that kind of i mean there's

kind of allergies where if you you know consume a you know peanut you could end up in anaphylactic shock and go

to the emergency room kind of thing so there's that and then there's just this broad spectrum of food sensitivities that we could

be talking about as well and then there's just like things like diabetes and you know right um

those sorts of things where um you have you know uh insulin kind of issues and you

know all that so i mean i think um like like it just depends on what we're talking about now i mean

like there's been plenty of doctors who've come along and essentially told someone like if you don't start making healthy lifestyle changes

they say to the morbidly obese person um then you know you're going to end up you know either

getting diabetes or you're going to end up um you know having significant health problems and and what they're doing is

they're just pointing to probabilities at that point right like and and um so

like that's i mean largely what they're doing is pointing to probabilities and and so i mean i'm not um

like they could give you like a really restrictive diet um that you're going on and you know

doctor's orders right you know here's your new food laws or whatever it's like i mean i think you still like you know you still

need to have some sort of like place for you're eating your you know 19 healthy

meals a week and you have two meals that are cheap meals like you're you're if you were to stick to those

19 meals you're going to be fine you know in the vast majority of cases now if it's just a real health

emergency that's not just like you need to like the doc i'm the doctor and i'm you know telling you you need to make

changes or else you're going to be in trouble you know in some you know nebulous sense like if there's some real

kind of thing um then that's different you know so i mean i i think um

what the bible is describing you whatever is set before you like what what they're describing right there is just the general

expectation for human beings and i mean no one's no one's going to look at the person who

you know has a peanut allergy and say well you eat that to the glory of god and go into your emergency room

and you know greater love has no man than to die you know for his friends kind of thing so that's just not that's not what

we're talking about so so i shouldn't i shouldn't lay.

Down my life for my friend who's inviting me over to dinner not asking me to eat like a

reese's cup.

Or something.

Yeah no the thing is like there's a lot of things though in that category that we're just being really dramatic about.

You know.

Okay like we're being really so like there's i mean you know sure if there's some kind of life -threatening thing sure you know.

And there's a lot of stuff that's a lot more questionable and we need to think through what we're even talking about.

You know i i think i was involved in a internet discussion with one of the carnivore guys on the

internet last week and um they um they were essentially

describing you know uh cooking with canola oil or whatever as

estrogen producing and poison.

Literal poison.

You know.

Yeah and you you know you're fine to reject literal poison.

That's just where we've like crossed a line and got i mean if you're eating 21 20 healthy meals a week

like that's just not sane.

You know like all food is a gift from god should be received with thanksgiving and so like you can have people who

are very dramatic on the subject and you know and and part of it is because we all have

interlegalists in us that want to add to god's commands.

And you know there's a lot of people who like really are viewing food like a new religion right now

and so i mean it used to be psychology was everything you know and a lot of people are i'm surprised at how many people like are

tolerating the kind of things we're saying on twitter as it relates to psychology but food.

Food um food um food is the new.

It's like yeah it's definitely like a golden calf kind of thing.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah you know.

So you have go ahead.

Keep keep going.

Well you just have mother mothers who think that they can essentially control all of like his behavior with food.

I mean you have people who think like you know that it's sinful to eat certain kinds of food and

they just need to wake up.

And you know like maybe god needs to give him a vision of a sheet like he did for peter.

You know.

Yeah.

But i mean they're really they're people who just really accept these like food laws and and part of it's just because they've

realized that a like they don't want to be fat just like everyone else and suffer from all these preventable diseases.

But you like look man you know you eat your 19 healthy meals a week.

You're fine.

You know.

Just establish a good pattern of life.

Don't.

Don't turn it into an idol.

Don't turn it into a religion.

Well i've turned it into new food laws.

You know i.

Think one of the things i've noticed with this is is really like with especially with these fad diets

they're so strange like people get so emotionally invested in them.

And really at least when it comes to like the keto diet or like this

you know carnivore diet i know i don't know how many people are familiar with this but there's that liver

king guy who you know was i mean matt he's massive he's jacked um and

he claims it's it's all you know he's totally clean in terms of like steroids and

stuff and he's pushing this sort of like i think it's like nine pillars of holistic

living or something like that.

And what you know one of the one of the thing one of the pillars is like eat raw meat you

know and he's pushing that as like if you want to be like me if you want to be just absolutely massive you

have to eat your all of your meat raw and and you know of course it comes out like he's on i think

like 12 or 13 thousand dollars worth of steroids every month that and that's why he's so

big.

I mean i saw him the first time i was like well yeah of course he's on steroids look at him no one like no one gets

that big but then it really does feel like a lot of people have almost sort of

glorified uh like humans of of you know

ages past kind of thing where they uh they're they're rebelling against the whole like

processed food sort of culture that we live in but then i think they take it so

far the other way that they're you know they're like hey the only way to be healthy is to you know eat all your meat raw

now it's like okay all right.

I feel like there's got to be a middle ground in there somewhere yeah so what's happening is you.

Have several things that happening so the natural path movement is like natural path movement is a like it really is a new

religion and it's a substitute for psychology.

So part of it is like when you're having like the caveman kind of diet that kind of thing i mean these are diets that are based

on evolutionary assumptions.

Yeah and so like so there's there's that uh but then like with your natural past stuff this is a

different religion and that's what people don't understand.

Like it's totally a different religion.

So like the whole idea of like the natural path religion is that nature and the raw heals right.

So like you have to give your body what it needs to heal like that's that's the thing.

And so when you hear like natural path people talking there's this blind like assumption that anything man -made

is bad.

Right.

Yeah and like you know so all the words are code words that don't really mean what.

Like they're saying it's just like psychology right.

So with psychology therapy is not therapy medicine's not medicine.

Right.

Like so like therapy's not therapy medicine's not medicine.

Like illness is not illness.

Right.

Like all the words are the same thing is happening with the natural path movement.

Uh so organic right.

So i took a chemist organic chemistry in college and like organic chemistry is a study of

carbon -based life forms all foods organic right.

I mean except for you know minerals or whatever but i mean all foods organic.

Like that's what it is.

It's organic food.

But what's is you hijack a label.

Right.

And organic means like you know you know um not processed but you know all the food they're talking

about it's processed you know to one so all the words just are not real words.

But then the assumption that undergirds it like here's the point the assumption is that nature and the raw will heal

and what they don't have is they don't have a doctrine of like sin entering in the world.

So the bible says that creation has been subjected to futility because of him who's subjected in hope of you know the

deliverance that comes from the sons of god.

So like the idea is that nature nature is trying to kill you.

Right.

So like that's part of the fault you know nature in in its raw form it gives you sunburns nature

and raw its raw form has storms and thistles.

So it's not as if nature is some goddess mother mother earth that if you can just you know get get

yeah get all the man -made stuff as best you can out of it that then you're going to be healing.

I mean you have fall like we live in a fallen world and you know as part of our job is to do some of the effects

of the fall.

So what we do is we fight nature in a christian world.

And in a christian worldview nature is like hostile to us and we use like the creation

itself to try to limit the effects of the fall.

And so there's trade -offs there you know there's trade -offs in both directions but all i'm trying to say is nature on its own

you know uncultivated nature like our job is to cultivate it and like in your natural path worldview there's no

place for man in that system right.

It's just nature on the raw as whole it's going to heal you.

And i mean the people who really get caught up in that they believe that basically every disease is a preventable disease

and that if you can just get tap into nature in its raw form reject you know almost all technology you

know all mankind's involvement you're going to be fine.

But that's just that this is a different religion this is a biblical worldview and so a lot of these things like you just have to

ask where are they coming from.

And you know there's like um and this is why you have all these new schemes

that are you know being set up and and the word of god you know the grass withers the flower it fades the word of god abides

forever.

And you know if the bible says give us this day our daily bread it can't be that bread.

It's just horrible for you.

You know i mean i've done you know i've done psmf i've done these kind of things i lost a lot of weight on that and

like but the thing is like you you do feel miserable because you don't have any energy because you're rejecting all the carbs you know so it's

not like a great way to live permanently you know.

So what you need is you need to like use some common sense um use some common sense uh remember

like there's no such thing as unclean food you know and then just trust in like some of the things the bible

says um so god's given us i mean there's you know there's all the you know vegan stuff that basically

like a lot of the nutrition science has basically told us for years that meat is so bad for us.

Right.

Yeah it's just like you need to get your protein from animals and plants and there's all the there's all sorts of

agendas that are involved in this and now there's a reaction to that with the carnival or stuff but the bible doesn't change you

know so the things that are in the bible uh don't don't change and god's given

us food he's told us what kind of food to eat.

I mean he hasn't given us like a specific plan but like you know whatever if anyone's

telling you that meat is unclean well god's given us meat to eat you know there's all these hormonal problems

that happen if you don't eat meat anyways.

And so like all that happens is your nutrition science goes you know back and forth up and down.

I mean i remember when you know low fat was the way to go.

Yeah and everything was low fat and then it turned into now it's you know keto high fat and it just you

just you just have to trust the bible man and not get caught up in the fads but yep yeah my my impression

with all.

Of that especially like the sort of you know the sort the sort of uh like caveman type diets has

always been like do you think that everyone you know before before

like i guess you know three or four hundred a .d was just like

every guy was just 260 pounds of just pure muscle you know like looked like he

could bench press a whole building.

Is that what you think.

They all.

Looked like what is the story uh.

And judges um of the king his egg lawn or whatever.

Where um off.

Neil stabs him uh through his gut and you know the blade goes all the way.

Yeah the sword.

Goes all the way through him the hilt is engulfed in the fat.

Yeah yeah clearly everyone wasn't.

I mean maybe he was 260 pounds but it wasn't pure muscle.

Right.

Right.

But uh yeah that that's.

I always laugh at that because i just i think i think that along with like you know we

have a lot of um uh entertainment type things that also kind

of normalize.

Like guys being just totally massive like all the superheroes they're just insanely big.

You know and you know i mean you know they're not real.

They're not real characters.

But then you know they are real people who are acting those guys out and some of them are just that big i

you know i don't think it's natural they're that big naturally.

But i think you know you you spend enough time watching those kinds of things and then you see guys

online who are saying hey you know you want to look like that you got to eat this and you got to eat that and you got to stay away from

this and stay away from that.

I think over time that that can really start to um make you make you think

that it's a lot more normal than than it actually is.

When when if you look at like those bmi calculators they tell a totally different story

in terms of what's healthy and what's not healthy.

But um going back to the hospitality um you know

rejecting food based off of certain diets.

Basically what you're saying is uh you know pretty much outside of like hey if i eat this

i'm gonna die.

The answer should be like just eat it.

Basically is that is that what you're saying.

Yeah yeah i mean you know i think there's.

Some there's probably some sort of scale but you know like

in terms of um like what we're talking about in the realm of diets at this point.

Um are we talking about the realm of diets.

Are we talking.

About the realm of like food sensitivities food allergies just any any of it any of it.

Yeah i mean.

In general like it's very clear if you're gonna eat this and you're gonna die you're gonna go to the emergency room then we're just talking about

a different category of thing and then there's some sort of scale with the food allergy kind of stuff to where you know

i've i've heard plenty of people say if i eat this you know i'm gonna get gas you know for a few days

you know and then when i say that and i laugh and it's like you don't know what it's like to have this painful gas that i have and it's like well i mean i i know what

it's like to eat a taco bell so you know i think i think a lot of this

like you can make a lot of it a lot worse than what it actually is and like you know people who are really caught up

in it and it becomes an idol for them it really like there is a kind of person who can train themselves to feel

icky when they eat certain things because they're looking to food to do things that is not and so there's obviously

a scale you know i'm not trying to say that there's no legitimate you know food sensitivities out there

i would say that a lot of them are being self -diagnosed right now and then so

there's that and then you know there isn't like i don't think we're dealing like in the land of food

sensitivities with settled objective science right now either.

So there's some concerns about the way that these things are even being diagnosed at a professional level

but you know i mean if if there are some legitimate stuff out there and that you're really gonna

just you know be curl up in a ball for several days and it's not all in your brain and

that kind of stuff and so i i just think we have to ask what are we talking about you know and there's a lot of people who say

that that's what it is but then they'll selectively eat you know these foods that they're intolerant to

you know on their whim when they want to you know and they'll just you know deal with it and i would say that

those are the kind of situations where it really does cause you to think you know what's going on here right.

So i mean i think there's some sort of scale there where certain things do affect people a lot more

than others and you know by and large i i think we need to

really question a lot of like i don't think we just have a knee -jerk response to trust everyone who says any of those kind of

things like i think we need to rethink you know why is it that you know

one in 10 adults one in you know 13 kids has some sort of food allergy now you know what do they do throughout the whole

history of the world before these things and you know no one died you know for the most part so i mean i think

as a general rule you really need to have like if you're going to be rejecting food hospitality it doesn't need to be because of

some sort of diet you're on um you know it it really needs because you have a real legitimate

medical reason that is not just a you know trivial thing that like it's

gonna be significant you know now what about on.

The other end of things so we spent a lot of time talking about the person who is receiving the food.

What about the person who is offering the food.

Is there room for them to say hey.

You know.

Look i want to.

You know i not.

Not because of compulsion like i just want to like serve you something that i know you'll

like.

So is there any room to say.

Um hey you know.

What do you like.

What do you not like.

Um what do you typically try and avoid.

What do you typically try.

And you know eat and that.

So.

So like for the vegetarian person.

Um you know i don't i don't necessarily think that that's like a good

like diet to have.

Especially if your whole reasoning is just i want to save the animals.

But then if i'm having someone over for dinner do i have the freedom to just say like hey i'm just going to make a

vegetarian meal just because i want.

You know that's what i want to do.

Because someone is a vegetarian basically yeah is that what you're saying yeah like hey i know.

You're a vegetarian you know.

Um am i like am i free to just like say hey i'm just going to make.

A vegetarian meal.

One of the things that's complicated at this point is the fact that there's so many things

right now so i could a lot of it's like a generational thing basically yeah so like meaning like

when you're dealing with the older generation these aren't things right like these aren't things

like that you're even talking about when you're dealing with older people.

When you're dealing with younger people right now there's just no like um

there's no brakes on it it's like totally out of control.

And so when you're when you're living like in a time where it's just totally out of control and it's like anything and everything can be

a reason they'll say no right.

So whether it's just pure preference like i just don't want to eat that because i've decided i don't want to eat that right.

Yeah or you know if it's like i don't like that you know and like when you when you have like a list of

like 20 different demands as it relates to food you know that are just

totally arbitrary based on nothing you know whether it's their diet.

And then when you have like a group of people like that who all have their competing stuff at a certain point you

have to figure out well how do we approach this sort of thing you get what i'm saying because

you can't make i mean you can't you know invite a group of people over and literally make you know 14 different meals

to figure out how to right get get to everyone.

Yeah so like your question is should you like like is it okay to try to be somewhat

sensitive towards it all.

Well the problem is like there's when it's out of control like what's happening is like we're just

like.

The only answer is i guess we just never have anyone over because we're going to violate all their either you know preferences.

Or their you know their diets.

Like is it even possible to have a situation at this point where you feel like you can make the

vegetarian meal and it's not under compulsion.

Is that is that.

Kind of what you're getting at what i'm trying to say is like okay well i can't make the vegetarian meal if i

got a carnivore guy over there do you know what i'm saying so i can make the

vegetarian meal for the vegetarian but i'm gonna have to make a vegetarian meal i'm gonna have to make a carnivore meal and i have to make like

10 different meals.

Like and so like the the issue is like at some point trying to be sensitive to all of it like what's

going to end up happening is that you're just you're in a like you're in a lose -lose situation.

If that if that makes sense so i mean i i think you know if you're living in more of a sane world like a

very sane thing to do in like most situations is just to say hey you know what's your favorite food we're

gonna try to make it right.

Yeah like that's a very normal that's like just being hospitable but then when you're like

running up against like just list you know of off -limits taboo

that are just like you know it's a diet it's um you know self -diagnosed food sensitivity it's uh

you know it's um um just pure preference on your part it's just a random decision you made

you know that you're sticking to you know at some point i think you just have to say hey like we just

have to be normal people and if you don't want to eat it then don't eat it you know kind of thing so so i mean i think that there's

a there's um there's there's obviously a place as a good host for

doing exactly what you're saying and but then at the same time if you're living in like crazy world

there's also the reality that like man this is out of control and i don't like maybe we need to quit

asking so much because we're just cuddling a bunch of.

Weirdness.

Does that make sense.

Um yeah.

So so like maybe in a different time where it's not this ridiculous thing

it might be easier to to with with a clear conscience accommodate

that but then at this point it's it's basically become like a

monster.

Almost.

And yeah it really is.

I mean i.

Think if you're inviting old people over your house and you say hey what's your favorite meal you know we'll make it right.

Yeah.

Like you're.

You're dealing with a different kind of animal than inviting a bunch of young people over your house and trying to figure out

like the more choices you give them like the more you'll realize that you're just in an impossible like no

one has the money to do all this.

You know to figure out how to cook 10 different things for 10 different people that they'll all not only

prefer but like and won't violate.

I mean a certain point.

You're like all right.

Just here's what we're making.

Eat it if you want you know.

If you don't then we're not gonna be mad at you.

But you know you like it's just at some point you just have to just say hey.

We're not doing this anymore.

What about in the situation where it's just like one person coming over though.

Like it's not 10 people coming over it's just one person.

Yeah i mean i i'm not trying.

To say it's sinful to ask them hey um what are

what are your dietary restrictions.

You know.

Yeah.

But i i do i do think um if you know that you know people are out of control with

this.

And like a lot of this isn't as biblical as you think like like one way that you can

be speaking truth into their life is not just to enable this kind of self -centered

narcissistic you know behavior indefinitely.

Um so you know i i think at a certain point you just have to say hey you know maybe the best thing i

can do is have a conversation with him about it instead of tiptoeing around it.

Does that make sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so.

And and maybe just treating them like i would treat a normal human being that lived throughout the history of the world you know.

And if they get offended by it whatever you know like does that make sense.

Like it may be a real opportunity to speak into their life instead of just being another person coming along.

And you know letting.

I mean like when people get caught up in this stuff like they're you know

they're dramatically making their lives like harder you know.

For them and for everyone around them.

You know.

And it's just not a good way to live.

And maybe you can be a person come along and trying to help them to grow up a little bit.

Okay you know so there's that but i don't know.

Okay.

Well with the with the last bit of time we have tim i wanted to ask you about um

two passages of scripture that are basically talking about the same thing.

Um and those those are found in first corinthians chapter 8 and then

romans chapter both.

Uh from paul.

Uh outlining you know uh basically like hey eat telling telling the two

different audiences hey eat whatever is set before you.

Right.

With a clear conscience.

But then.

But then he also addresses uh this idea of the weaker brother.

And so i wanted i wanted to ask you about those two things.

And and how do they how do they work together when it comes.

Well well uh i'm getting ahead of myself before i before i ask you about that i wanted to ask

you do those verses actually apply to the situation that we're talking about.

Because in both passages of scripture um he he's mentioned

he's talking about it in the context of meat sacrifice to idols.

Right.

Because because obviously that was a common thing back then it's not really that's i don't know

that that's really a common thing anymore.

You know to sacrifice your meat to to false gods.

Um but then do the things that he is saying

translate to this this conversation about dietary

restrictions and you know various diets that people are on.

Um so does it relate.

And then if it does relate then um what do we what do we get from these

passages.

How do we understand the whole weaker brother thing.

Um but let's start with.

Does it apply in general.

Yeah i mean they're just talking about a.

Very different kind of situation there.

So like the the the idea of the weaker brother is the is the brother who's going to be led into sin

by following you down certain practices which you're theoretically permissible to do

but then um they may make certain assumptions about that and lead them into sin.

So like that's the idea of the weaker brother.

So the primary discussion that's being had in new testament time centered around food was not

this discussion of um you know rejecting hospitality for arbitrary reasons.

Right.

It's like the whole none of it makes sense.

Like none of it makes sense unless you have a robust understanding of hospitality that is present within the discussion

itself.

So like the issue is like there's this assumption in the ancient world if someone invites you over to their house you need

to eat what they set before.

You.

Right.

Yeah.

Or you're going to dishonor them basically you're going to dishonor them you're.

Going to shame them.

Right.

And you're going to be like not only you're dishonoring them you're dishonoring yourself.

Right.

Because um like you just don't do that and so like you have a real conflict because there's just this immutable

expectation of hospitality.

But then you have allegiances to god too.

And so then like if you're put in a situation where they're presenting you with food that's been offered to an idol

then it feels like your fundamental commitment to god is clashing with your commitment to

them.

Right.

Yeah.

And so daniel shadrach meshach and abednego were basically in that kind of situation while they're in babylon

you know.

And this is why they requested to only eat vegetables because they were under the mosaic food laws.

Right.

So now we're not under the the israelites were not under the food laws anymore because you know when christ come

he declared all foods clean.

So you don't have the like the the food laws anymore that they're under.

So there's not a conflict there.

But there's still this new issue of food being offered to idols and what do they do about that.

So if i eat this food off the idols is that a religious act for me.

Is it an act of worship to a pagan god.

So that's that's the discussion that undergirds all these things.

And there's a certain kind of christian who feels like if i eat that food i'm defiled.

Does that make sense.

Yeah like i'm defiled like that's an act of false worship.

And like that's me serving you know this false god i can't do it now like the the the

logic of the new testament though is to say that the earth is the lord's and its fullness thereof and like the idol is nothing.

Right.

So eat whatever's set before you don't ask any questions for your conscience sake.

You know you don't have to worry about that kind of thing you can go to the meat market and just because they're selling meat at a discounted price

that's been offered to an idol you don't have to worry about it like you don't have to worry about it because like like every all the

food is god's food.

These idols these false gods they don't actually exist.

And so all you have to do is just don't worry about it just eat whatever they give you buy whatever you want to buy at the meat market don't even ask

questions like so you don't even have to think about it.

Right.

Because it all belongs to god.

So like that's the issue that undergirds this kind of discussion is the issue of false worship.

And so you have individuals who are coming along and the weaker brother thinks like if i eat this that's me serving a

false god.

And they have to realize you don't have to worry about that.

Right.

Like so you don't have to you know but then if they tell you like this has been like you know so offered to a false god

are you going to eat it.

Because because that means you're going to serve them.

Right.

Then you're allowed to say well no i'm not going to eat it because my religious devotion to god comes first.

And if you think this is me worshiping this god i'm not going to do it because i don't want you to think that

i care.

More about you than i care about god.

Does that make sense.

Um yeah.

So basically like you're free to eat the meat.

Right right.

Uh just in a vacuum.

But then.

But then you do need to consider like hey how it how is this going to lead my

brothers and sisters into into sin just just because they don't have

the same um you know understanding about all of that like they're just they're new in the

faith or whatever you know whatever it is um this could lead them into sin

themselves.

And so for for that considering that i'm going to give this up even though otherwise i would be free to.

Do it right.

Yeah basically so i mean your primary concern at that point is is not the lawfulness of eating it yourself like your

primary concern at that point is just to say like my allegiance is totally to god like there's nothing

objectively wrong with eating this food off of idols but if it's going to lead someone to sin i need to not do it in that way.

And so because i do want to be concerned about my witness that's the kind of discussion we're having at that point.

You're not talking about people who like just some new category of you know self -centered

narcissistic.

You know christians coming along with their you know new dietary food laws that they've come up with or

you know their fad diets they've come up with or you know uh all these things um like that.

We're just talking about apples.

So how does that relate to i'm.

I'm looking at the passage here.

And you know like in roman let's see this is yeah romans 14 verse 5 you know

paul's saying one person considers one day more sacred than another.

Another considers every day alike each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

Whoever regards one day as special uh does so to the lord.

Whoever eats meat does so to the lord for they give thanks to god.

And and whoever abstains does so to the lord and gives thanks to god.

For none of us lives for our ourselves alone and none of us dies for ourselves alone.

If we live we live for the lord.

If we die we die for the lord.

So whether we live or die we belong to the lord.

For this very reason christ died and returned so uh returned to life so that he might be the

lord of both the dead and the living.

And then in verse 10 he transitions to uh talking about judgment.

So verse 10.

You then why do you judge your brother and sister.

Why do you treat them with contempt.

For we will stand before god's judgment seat.

It is written as surely as i live says the lord.

Every knee will bow before me.

Every tongue will acknowledge god.

So then each of us will give an account of ourselves to god.

Therefore this verse 13.

Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another.

Instead make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a

brother or sister in christ.

So there it seems to be talking not so not necessarily so much about uh.

Or or maybe it is still the same thing.

But i wanted to ask you it seems like what's being communicated.

There is going a bit um beyond what is truly sin.

And what is uh truly not sin.

Um and and it's going into like a more um well i guess maybe almost like a

wisdom category.

Uh uh where you know.

Hey one person thinks all days are alike right.

And another person thinks one day is more significant than all the other days.

And paul's paul's not necessarily weighing in on it.

You know hey it's it's the guy who thinks it's one day.

Or it's the guy that thinks it's every day.

Uh he's more just saying those two those two people need to figure out how to um

uh how to live in harmony with each other as brothers and sisters in christ.

So so is that still.

Is that in your mind.

Still the whole like paul is saying don't do something that's going to lead your brother to

actual sin.

Or is that like a different uh is that like a slightly different category.

That's still it's pretty similar.

But then it's got some um different aspects to it.

What's your thought there.

Yeah i.

Mean so what what's happening is this passage is climaxing to get to romans 14 23.

So whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats because he because the eating is not from faith.

For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

So like the idea is.

And this is something we try to teach people in like in counseling in general is you don't want to violate your conscience

because if if you're not confident about it like you can do something that's objectively fine but if you

feel like it's like an act that's violating god's word then you shouldn't do it.

So like just to give you an example of something like this like if you have a person who really believes it's sinful to drink alcohol for

instance like it's not objectively sinful to drink alcohol the bible says don't be drunk

with wine but be filled with the spirit.

But if you have a teetotaler you have a person who feels like it's objectively sinful to do it if they were to go ahead and do it

right if you were to go ahead and eat drink the alcohol even though you feel like it's sin what's happening is you sinned

but in the act of doing it.

And the reason why you sin in the act of doing it even though it's not objectively wrong is because like your motive is off

does.

That make sense.

Yeah you're not.

You're not motivated by faith.

Right.

You're not motivated.

By faith so that was an act of rebellion so your conscience is telling you don't do that and you're willing to lay it

aside you know because of pressure or whatever else like so what's happening is you have like an

act that's not objectively wrong but you have a heart that's wrong.

Does that make sense.

So what you should never do like we don't we don't tell we tell people like don't violate your conscience.

Right.

Like you don't want to violate your conscience.

So if your conscience is going off that this is something that's like a problem then like you need to like like

you don't just go ahead and do it because like that could be coming from a heart that's like has a lack of faith.

Right.

Like it can't.

So you don't want to have a defiant heart in that way.

So like when you're thinking about this discussion of eating meat um you know one person may have a weak conscience like so

we're talking about the idea of eating food offered to idols you have a person who has a weak conscience who feels like man if i

eat that i'm like i'm setting aside my my um fundamental commitment to

the lord here in doing this does that make sense in the same way that like a person like if i

you know drink if i if they went to bob jones university and they feel like if they drink they like you know you don't drink or

smoke or chew or go with the girls who do and so uh but like if you feel like it's a sin to dance or

a sin to um you know drink alcohol or all that you know maybe

smoke a cigar whatever if you feel like that's wrong like the issue is if you go ahead and do it anyways

you're rebelling like in your heart you have a heart a rebellious kind of heart.

So as christians we're not supposed to despise people like that or pass judgment on people like that.

Like so you're not supposed to look down on that and just say oh you're so stupid you know whatever and like no god's died for

them that's their master.

You know they may be misinformed about the lawfulness of this certain thing but like that's between them

and god.

And that that doesn't mean you don't try to inform their conscience right.

There's a place to try to inform their conscience.

But what you don't do is you don't pass judgment harshly on them and like because there's there's a

there could be a rebellious um motive that you're running rough shot over if you

just are basically telling them just man just do it.

You know it's not.

Big deal.

Get over yourself.

You know.

Does that make sense.

Yeah.

Basically it's better it's better to be the person who is you know

convinced that one of these sort of tertiary issues is is possibly sinful when

it's actually not but then you know their conscience tells them to stick to what they

think the bible is saying rather than be the person who you know thinks

that same way but then violates it and isn't sure what to even think about

what they've just done.

Right.

That's right.

Yeah so so basically you just what you're wanting to do with those kind of scenarios is you're not just

wanting to thoughtlessly encourage people to do something that feels fundamentally rebellious to them.

Um and you know this is a but i mean what you want to do is patiently try to

inform their conscience so their conscience doesn't go off.

So like our conscience is not a perfect you know warning system it's a warning system that we have.

It's not a perfect warning system.

But then when you sear it it stops working anymore.

Yeah so that that's the problem.

So the more that you just ignore it it'll stop working.

So you don't want to teach people to do that.

What you want to do is just slowly patiently try to reason with them about um those sorts of things.

But the the issue that's at you know live right there is like this is an issue of false worship in

their mind.

They feel like in eating food offered idols they're going to be participating in false worship

and and so in that way they'd rather just only eat vegetables.

And so this has nothing to do with like modern vegetarianism or anything else it's about like that's about their fundamental

commitment to god that's being violated not just some kind of you know pagan choice that they're that's trying

to save the animals.

Save the animals standing against everything.

The bible is clearly saying you know about his purpose in that way.

But you know so like just apples and.

Oranges different discussion.

Basically okay um but then yeah so so it's it's basically just a total

like those verses aren't aren't like the proof text for vegetarian lifestyle is

what you're.

Saying oh no no i mean like you know there's nothing more pagan than the

idea that you know animals are somehow have some kind of personhood you know i i i think i watched

avatar or something when it came out and there's that scene where the animal dies and you know like the lady's having some sort of

religious moment with the you know the animal dying on the ground and yeah you know i mean this this is just paganism that's

coming out and um you know god has given humanity like food to eat and and so

you know you have to be people who are speaking against that kind of.

Thing okay but yeah well i think that's a pretty good place to wrap up and and honestly hopefully

the thing that i that i hope people take away the most from this is um

first just this idea that we really do have to be a lot more hospitable than we actually

are with each other especially as christians and you know the bible the bible says that the rest of the world will

will uh know that we belong to christ by the way that we love one another and i think this is just a

glaring example of that if we follow through with um you know with a lot of the

one another commands if if we're involved in one another's lives and and are

loving one another inviting them over to our homes going other to going over to other people's homes

providing meals uh in times of need because that just doesn't uh it seems

like more and more in our society that's that's kind of fading away and so hopefully people when they um

when they listen to this episode one of the things they're really convicted about is hey i'm not involved enough in the lives of

my fellow brothers and sisters in christ um and i think the other the other thing that

personally i'm wanting people to hear through all of this is i think we we really have gotten to a very scary place

with a lot of these diets uh and a lot of these these um you know

intolerances as it comes to food or however you know allergies however it is obviously there's real

ones that that are very life -threatening like we said but then i don't know that those are um

i don't know that i think those are probably relatively rare compared to the amount of people who say

they've got some kind of you know gluten thing or lactose intolerant thing or um

whatever and so uh personally for me i'm hoping that people

hear this and and they say to themselves you know i need to be the kind of person who who desires more than

anything to honor the people in my life who want to serve me by making me a meal by giving me

you know free food um i want to show them respect and honor and by doing that i

know what i'm doing is ultimately i'm honoring the lord right.

Because because they're just trying to love me they're trying to um they're trying to follow in

christ's example right.

And so i don't want to hinder that and i want to be thankful for what they've done for me just like just like

jesus was thankful to you know god the father i mean he you know he um

when he when he's feeding the 5 000 you know what does he do.

He he gives thanks to the father for providing the meal uh he blesses it and then he hands it out to everyone.

And so in the same way we should be thankful towards other people who are providing a meal for us

knowing that our our father in heaven ultimately is the one who's feeding us.

And so if we're not thankful to them then we're certainly not going to be thankful to god for his provision.

And and that goes along with all of the you know the disrespect that you're showing and

ultimately our culture has sort of become uh pretty numb to socially overall.

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