August 18, 2020 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “The Westminster Larger Catechism” (Part 1)

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His name is Dr. Joe Moorcraft.

It seems that a lot of other people are very enthusiastic about his return to the program today.

He is pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

And today we are going to begin a series on authentic Christianity, the theology and

ethics of the Westminster Larger Catechism.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III.

And let me give our email address to our listeners immediately, in the event that any of them would

like to ask a question on the Westminster Larger Catechism.

And it could obviously be a broader spectrum of questions on Reform Theology in general, on

the Westminster Confession of Faith, on Presbyterianism, on Reform Theology,

anything regarding the scriptures.

But we are focusing our own questions today on the Larger

Catechism of the Westminster Divines.

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And Dr. Moorcraft, if you could, before we even go into our subject at hand, please let our

listeners know about Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

Well, I want our

listeners to

know that

if

you

are visiting Cumming, Georgia,.

Or if you live in Cumming, Georgia, or if you have family, friends, and loved ones who live near or

in Cumming, Georgia, please do some research on this church

where Dr. Moorcraft is the pastor.

And the website is heritagepresbyterianchurch .com.

Heritagepresbyterianchurch .com.

And we intend to repeat that information later on in

the program.

And one thing that I definitely want you to do also

before we get into the discussion is to tell us

about your commentary on the Westminster

larger catechism.

In

the,

then

we

sold

out.

And

then

there's

Arch

of

England.

And then

the

Nation

of Faith.

It was amazing.

The greatest, worst, episcopal.

Oh, no, you can continue.

To

a

man

named,

I

don't

think.

Right. Sad commentary.

That is a sad commentary.

And of course, the whole concept outside of

Reformed theology, you know, you have obviously

Presbyterians adhering to the Westminster confessions and catechisms.

You have the Reformed Baptists adhering to the Second London Baptist Confession.

You have the Anglicans adhering to the Thirty -Nine Articles, a very small minority of Anglicans who

would still adhere to the Thirty -Nine Articles.

Those that are truly Reformed.

And you have the three forms of unity embraced by the Dutch

Calvinistic denominations.

And you have the Savoy Declaration, probably even embraced by a tinier number of

Congregationalist assemblies.

And today, this is totally out of vogue outside of these

groups, which today are comparatively a minority, although there is a rise in the interest

and acceptance and embrace of Reformed theology.

We are still, nonetheless, a minority in the landscape of Christendom.

And why do you think this whole concept of confessions and catechisms

just fell out of vogue?

And you have just a minority of people, it seems, truly adhering to

them as a summary of Christian doctrine and biblical truth.

And

the

tragedy

is

that

Barth

was

attempting

to

refute

liberalism.

He was reacting to it negatively and wound up becoming,

today, a champion of liberals.

Yeah.

Now, amazingly, though, there have been some of the largest

supporters and proponents of all of those horrible things you mentioned who have

came and still are in some of the

Presbyterian denominations that are allegedly conservative and are still

confessional.

Don't get me started on that.

I actually

bumped

into,

in

Manhattan,

providentially, waiting for a light to change,.

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And I said, yes.

And she says, oh, so am I.

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And she mentioned the name of the church that I will not mention, but it's a very well -known theologically

-reformed, or at least that's the reputation it has, theologically -reformed church in

Manhattan where she is a member.

And I said, well, I happen to be Reformed myself.

And she said, what's that?

I said, what do you mean?

What's Reformed mean?

And I said, you know, Calvinistic.

And she said, what's that?

Right, and

let me

have you

pick up

right

where

you're

leaving off

here,.

Because I have to go to our first break.

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Our guest today for the full two hours of the program, with about an hour

and 20 minutes to go, is Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III, and we

are discussing today the Westminster Larger Catechism.

And one of the reasons why Dr. Moorcraft is the guest to conduct this

is that he is the author of an eight -volume commentary series on

the Westminster Larger Catechism.

And keep in mind, when this used to be originally only five volumes

long, Gary DeMar, whose voice you just heard on the program while he

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When it was still only a five -volume commentary series, Gary DeMar

called it the most exhaustive commentary ever written

on the Westminster Larger Catechism.

Now it's eight volumes, and I want to read an endorsement from

somebody who has been a guest on this program, who has written a wonderful endorsement for this program, and I look forward

to having him back on this program, Dr. Joseph A. Piper, Jr., the president

of Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary in South Carolina.

Dr. Piper says, Every Christian who is serious about the Reformed faith and the Westminster

standards should have and use this set.

It is much more than an exposition of the Larger Catechism.

It is a thoroughly researched work that utilizes biblical exegesis as well

as historical and systematic theology, and you can find out more about this commentary series, this

eight -volume commentary series at westminstercommentary .com,

westminstercommentary .com.

And by the way, Dr. Moorcraft, even as a Baptist, I have

proudly hanging in a place of prominence in my living room on the wall that

really wonderful, renowned, or should I say a

print of that wonderful, renowned painting of the Westminster Assembly by

the 19th century artist John Rogers Herbert.

You probably are very familiar with the exact scene of the Westminster Assembly that I'm referring to.

I haven't.

Congregationalism.

People

in that

room

neglect

it.

It

is so

long.

It

intimidates

me.

It is believed, don't you think, that the very things that you mentioned as

truly wonderful and beneficial elements

of not only the Westminster Larger Catechism, but the great creeds and

confessions of the Reformation in general, the systematized aspect, the thoroughness,

these things are viewed today as hindrances to

vibrant, loving, exciting Christianity.

And also they are allegedly adding and fueling

sectarian bigotry and hatred and all this nonsense.

And today you have so many churches that are anti -credal and confessional,

or some of them might be the bare -bones minimum, we just have

the Apostles' Creed and nothing more, that kind of thing.

Or, even worse, many of them say,

well that's a pathetic creed at that.

Yeah, and then they think that that is a wonderful development to the

progress in the church, to make the church more like Christ in their minds, and to

just add to the love and the zeal and the excitement of being a Christian.

Yeah, I've had people tell me all

the time, as

I'm sure you do.

That is a doctrine that they mention, that what you just said is often a cited

claim.

That very thing is a doctrine, it's just a horrible one.

Yeah,

that's

not

a...

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By the way, Dr. Moorcraft I wanted to give a plug to your sister

-in -law Judy Rogers as well.

It's a tragedy as we are discussing the downfall of

modern day evangelicalism that has been sliding down a slippery slope

for many years, many decades actually where everything old is being jettisoned

and we who are in love with the old hymns we do not,

especially those of us who are sane we do not prohibit biblically sound

contemporary music and your sister -in -law is one great example of that.

Her music, some of which includes music for little tiny children has more depth

and biblical meat to it than much of the modern day evangelical music intended for adults.

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.com.

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You want to say a couple words about your very talented sister -in -law?

Yes, she has some...

Well, isn't that a part and we will get into the actual contents of the larger catechism momentarily

and keep in mind folks this is only part one of this series that we're doing.

But before we go into that isn't that another reason why you believe

that confessions of faith and catechisms are out of vogue is because the church wants to

jettison everything old because they somehow think that is less Christian that is less Christ -like.

It's a spirit of arrogance, actually.

It's a spirit of pride and arrogance that they think.

Many of these pastors and song leaders and band leaders and leaders in

general think that whatever they do these novelties and these new what they

would call a new breath of fresh air into the church or whatever they want to call it they think that

they are superior than the great minds of the faith.

And it's ironic because they might point very rightly to some of the sins of the past like many

of our great heroes of the Christian faith unfortunately owned slaves, for instance or

at least supported slavery.

But people in their arrogance think that we are more enlightened and more Christian today when you have

even churches supporting the slaughter of millions of unborn children and even supporting the death of

children who were born alive during an abortion attempt and you know of being soft

on men marrying men and women marrying women and we could go on and on and on.

I mean it's an arrogance that has blinded them to the sins of our own age.

Hey it's an arrogance that...

Amen

yeah.

Because who

says

it is in

Jesus?

Well you have said and your publishers have described your

commentaries as a way to access practical application of biblical principles to

various areas of life including ethics.

Law.

Politics family.

Church.

State piety education and more.

Let's start with ethics.

What can we learn about Christian ethics from the Westminster Larger Catechism?

And you got about five more hours this evening?

Well we have more than five hours awaiting us in the future.

Okay that's a great question and the answer is and

some

of our

reformed

brothers.

Have to remember that very key phrase in that very first question

enjoy him forever.

It seems that sometimes not always but sometimes the stereotype of reformed

Christians is true.

We have to admit it that very often more than we care to admit they are dull and lifeless and dry.

I agree with that.

I

would

preach

tight.

In fact doesn't somebody need to have a heart checkup.

And I don't mean physically like I just had to have after going to the hospital for congestive heart failure.

But if you are not enjoying your faith in Christ if you are not enjoying

worshiping him if you are not excited about the

church and fellowshipping with the brethren and I'm not talking about equating

a bubbly feeling that you get and you feel as if

or you think wrongly that you are not in a spirit -filled place unless everybody's jumping up and

down and clapping their hands like children.

I'm not saying that that's always inappropriate but I'm just saying that that is what some people equate with spirit -filled.

I'm not talking about that.

But if you are grudgingly getting together with your brothers and sisters in Christ it's always

a chore and a depression for you to go to church.

Well either you're in a horrible church and you've got to find one that's truly biblical and if that is indeed

your motive and it should be if you're genuinely saved but you need a heart checkup don't you?

Because I mean if you're absence if you're absent of joy there's something really seriously wrong there.

Esther

Wayne Rogers

for

our

listeners.

That's a great answer.

I've got to remember that.

That is a great answer so it

something

that

nobody

thinking

than the average Christian.

Yes in fact I have disagreed with Christians who rightly

have apprehensions and want to expose the falsehoods of Islam.

I have corrected them when they have told me that the greatest threat to

America and the world is Islam.

I've said no I don't think so.

Muslims are not murdering millions of babies in America are they?

Yeah I think to quote somebody you referred to the other day in Manhattan.

I

want

to

give a

quick plug.

To your brother -in -law's church since you mentioned him.

If anybody lives in I think it's Haysi, Virginia, right?

Haysi, Virginia.

Dickinson First Presbyterian Church.

If you go to Facebook that is where you're going to find the information.

They spell Dickinson differently down there Dickinson College here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

It's D -I -C -K -E -N -S -O -N.

First Presbyterian Church and that's Haysi, Virginia.

Their phone number at the church is 276 -865 -5650.

We have to go to our final break and then we will return to the conclusion of the program and this is just part one folks.

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We have some lister questions.

Dr. Moorcraft We have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who

asks.

Is the theological perspectives of the larger catechism broad

enough where those who are outside of Presbyterianism will find it to be a

helpful Biblical guide as well?

Without doubt.

The

person

of

what

the Church

has to

look

forward

to.

There was a great unit of the Presbyterian

things which also the Independents the Congregationalists would have agreed with but not the Baptists.

Yes, it does teach infobaptism

with anything in it.

Well, thank you.

Now there are some Christians that will disagree with it because we have so many.

Of course, there wasn't even dispensationalism that existed when it was written.

It didn't even exist.

Rapturism didn't even exist.

It is anti -antinomianism.

That is the view that's so prevalent among Christians today that since we're under grace we should not have to worry

about obeying the law of God.

Those people won't like it but if they read it honestly and look up the scripture references and are honest with

themselves they will be convinced.

Thank you, B .B.

We have an anonymous listener who says Chris Ornzen, I happen to know from what you

have said in this program that you are not personally a Theonomist or a Christian Reconstructionist.

I was wondering why you interview so many of them.

Well, as you know that interesting.

Theonomy or Christian Reconstructionism

the terms are new and so there's a lot of terms that I'm not crazy about.

One of which term is Calvinism that the average person today has a negative view of Calvinism.

So if somebody asked me in the past that what do you mean by that and if it's some

modern caricature then I will say no.

So it's not a semantic issue.

Edward.

Catechism and all the rest.

Of course when you say new phrase you mean 1970s or so.

Yeah, right.

When I got you there.

The English wanted a pure economy they wanted a pure society they wanted a pure church and by pure they didn't mean perfect

in economics and church and society regulated by and

based upon the word of God.

And we're going to have to let you pick up where we left off on our next interview and I just wanted to let

my anonymous listener know that I appreciate biblically learned

brothers and sisters in Christ from varying theological perspectives as

long as I believe they are not heretical or dangerous.

And I know that some people wrongly think Theonomy and Christian Reconstruction is or are

in and of themselves dangerous.

I have never met somebody who believes that who accurately describes or defines

Theonomy and Christian Reconstruction but one of my greatest heroes is a dispensationalist John MacArthur.

I have many people on this show that disagree with me on key points and I still if

they are feeding me biblical wisdom and truth I will love to hear

what I embrace and I am not so proud that I have to dismiss

them just because I have disagreements.

I just thought I'd throw that in there and I want to make sure that our listeners

have the website for Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

It's heritagepresbyterianchurch .com heritagepresbyterianchurch .com and to

find out more about this eight -volume commentary series by Dr. Joe Moorcraft on the Westminster Larger Catechism.

Go to westminstercommentary .com westminstercommentary .com.

Dr. Joe Moorcraft.

It is always a joy having you on the show and I want to have you back soon and if you could hold

on after we go off the air I want to schedule our next interview to continue this series.

Yeah, so there's no talk show I'd rather be on than yours.

Well, I really appreciate that very much and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives

that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater Savior than you are.

A sinner.