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This is the article Forbes had, it said anti -abortion groups warn lawmakers against criminalizing having an abortion.

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How'd you like to have that written about you in history? Yeah. How'd you like that written about you in history? That's on record in history, by the way, now.

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That's on record. Forbes, big publication. Anti -abortion groups warn lawmakers against criminalizing having an abortion.

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Let me go ahead and restate it, if you didn't hear it. Yeah, do that. Pro -life groups, pro -life groups warn lawmakers against criminalizing having an abortion.

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That is how Forbes interpreted their putting together 70 or 70 plus, or was it 70, signatures to legislators across the country telling them, do not do this, she's a victim.

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You want to hear what they said? Here it is. This is the letter itself, if you look at my screen here, open letter to state lawmakers from America's leading pro -life organizations to all state legislators in the

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United States of America. That's bold. Every state, all the legislators,

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May 12th, 2022. What day was our vote, Luke? You're better at this than me. What day was our vote?

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I don't even know what day it is today. What is it, Thursday? It was the 12th, right? I think it was that.

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So the day of our bill, when it's going to the floor, an open letter to state lawmakers from America's leading pro -life organizations.

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Here's what it says, move down here. It's all arguments about the adverse emotional and psychological effects on women, all that stuff.

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And then it says here on the second page, ready, bold print. This is what they wanted everyone to see. Women are victims of abortion and require our compassion and support, as well as ready access to counseling and social services in the days, weeks, months, and years following an abortion.

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I wonder why that is. Why do women need counseling? Why would a woman need counseling when she has had an abortion?

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Could it be that she's made in the image of God? And could it be that she knew exactly what she was doing?

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And could it be that in many cases, these women, when they do it, they are bragging about the fact that they're murdering their child?

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We're going to show that to you. We can show you hundreds of videos. We could do the next six months with videos of women bragging about the fact that they're killing their children.

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But here's their statement. Women are victims of abortion and require our compassion. Pastors, you believe that?

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That the woman who comes in your office and said that she's had three abortions, that she's a victim? That she just needs your compassion?

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Or does she need the gospel, the compassionate call of the gospel? They don't believe that.

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It says, we state unequivocally that we do not support any measure seeking to criminalize or punish women, and we stand firmly opposed to include such penalties in legislation.

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I'm going to read that again because it's devastating. We state unequivocally that we do not support any measure seeking to criminalize or punish women and we stand firmly opposed to include such penalties in legislation.

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Now you guys ready for the bomb to drop philosophically, theologically, apologetically? Are you ready for this?

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They just went on record in history, this will go down in history, saying that the woman is never guilty.

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She should never be punished for killing her baby in the womb, which means if the leaked draft of the overturning of Roe v.

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Wade is true, in the states that say, okay, now we have enough courage to protect life in our state, and they actually say if an abortionist does it, he is criminally guilty, maybe he needs to pay a $1 ,000 fine for every baby he kills.

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I mean, that's one of the issues. Okay, so no more abortion mills in that state. Did you know that in history, for thousands of years, women have been killing their children in the womb via pills and potions and other means, various methods?

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Did you know that in the early church, that the early church had to actually come out with a confession and creed against the issue of abortion, killing your child in the womb, calling it murder, and the early church had a fight against this issue back then with abortifacients where women were killing their children in the womb.

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And the early church, to now, has believed that abortion is murder and the woman is culpable.

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And so what's amazing here is it is now on record as a matter of history that the pro -life establishment and industry has said, you are not guilty, woman, for killing your child in the womb.

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So let's imagine a scenario, will you, where in a state after Roe v.

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Wade falls, and it should fall because it's an evil opinion in the first place, but the state finally has the courage to say, no more abortion mills.

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And if you're an abortionist, you can't do it or you'll be criminally penalized. Maybe it's a fine, maybe it's jail time, whatever that is.

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Do we think that women in that state are still going to find ways to procure abortions for themselves?

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Will they still be taking pills and potions to kill their babies? The answer is unequivocally, yes.

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Because traditionally it has been DIY. Do it yourself. Right. As a matter of fact, did you know that when they did the leak of what's happened in the

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Supreme Court, did you know the vice shared an immediate article helping women to understand how they could kill their babies in the womb by taking horse medication?

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Interesting. And did you know that this article was just shared widely? So the question has to be asked to these organizations, you've gone on record now and said unequivocally, she is not guilty.

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She is a victim. She should never be punished ever. Now I'd like to see how you're going to respond in Louisiana when the abortion mills are no longer accessible and women are still killing their children in the womb.

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Your answer to them is, well, feel free, sweetie, because you're never guilty of killing your child in the womb.

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I mean, isn't that the position now that you've gone on record with? Isn't that your doctrine?

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Isn't that what you've said, that she is not guilty? She is never to be seen as guilty. So when these mothers, through pills and potions and other means, kill their children in the womb post row, they are not guilty at all, according to the establishment.

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And it's official. I don't know if it's just the feminist zeitgeist, right?

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Maybe the spirit of all things in the air, not being able to speak against or rebuke the sins of women in any capacity.

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I don't know if that's how we got here officially, but I mean, the fact that you can allow even that to go on and there to be zero culpability based on what you've published and put in print.

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Listen to this. Big problem. Criminalizing women is antithetical to this charge. We will continue to oppose legislative and policy initiatives that criminalize women who seek abortions, and we will continue to work for initiatives that protect unborn children and policies that provide and strengthen life -affirming resources for abortion -vulnerable women.

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Abortion -vulnerable women. So this is not Christian. This is not biblical. This is not gospel -centered.

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And notice the contradiction here, the convoluted thinking here. We will never support and we will continue to oppose any legislation that criminalizes the mother because she's not guilty and she's a victim.

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And we're going to continue to actually promote legislation and things that protect the lives of unborn children.

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How do you do the two things when it is the mothers who are bringing the babies to be killed?

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How do you do that when it is the mothers who are taking the pills and potions to kill their children?

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How do you say, we're never going to criminalize that, but we're going to protect those children?

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Brothers and sisters, friends and family, it is the woman who is bringing the child to be killed.

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Never forget that there are no abortionists running around neighborhoods in your city and in your neighborhoods looking for children to dismember.

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They have air -conditioned locations to do it, but they sit there in those air -conditioned locations waiting for the client to show up to bring the baby to them.

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And so this is actually a good moment for the church because now, as Zach says, the heresy is on record.

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And if you look here, take a look at my screen, here is page four, Carol Tobias, President, National Right to Life.

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At the top, right? At the top, very first one, so you know it's got the strength of the industry.

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If you look down and you notice the other names there, among those is listed, Secular Right to Life.

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Oh, for sure. I wonder. Yeah, for sure. Same presuppositions there. Secular presuppositions.

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Susan B. Anthony list, March for Life Action. And check this one out.

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This is interesting. Brent Leatherwood, Acting President of Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, Southern Baptist Convention.

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Now I was at the Southern Baptist Convention members meeting when they officially adopted Abolition. At the

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Southern Baptist Convention, Abolition. And if you look at those resolutions, you'll see that they are biblical through and through and they stand on the word of God.

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And Brent Leatherwood, sir, you should tender your resignation with the Southern Baptist Convention because you do not agree with your convention.

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And that's one thing that Tom Askell has been pointing to as well. But here - He's been on fire lately talking about this.

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Here's the list. And so, you know, here we go. Benjamin Clapper, Executive Director of Louisiana Right to Life.

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Benjamin Clapper, the man who knows this bill is righteous. The man who knows this bill has to be done.

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The man who knows that this bill is justice, Louisiana Right to Life.

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He resisted this bill and fought against this bill. You should never send another penny to Louisiana Right to Life, ever.

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They are compromised. Never help them again. And if you get a chance to talk to them, call them to repent.

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Call them to repent of their compromise and their lies. They fought against the bill probably more than anybody in the state of Louisiana.

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So let Benjamin Clapper know that you are severely disappointed that he actually is accountable now for the children who are dying in Louisiana.

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He holds that accountability. He needs to turn to Christ from what he's done. That might be a hard thing to say and hear.

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You might sound radical for saying it, but you know what? I'm not a career politician. I'm not. And that's one of the things

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I want you to hear right now. The threats that came our way, that came Brian's way over the last couple of weeks.

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Do you know how many politicians contacted and said things like, I'm talking like congressmen, national level, calling and saying things like, this will ruin your career if you do this.

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Talking to pastors. Hey, friend, we're not politicians. We're not in your game.

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We're ministers of the gospel. We're pastors. Our duty and our allegiance is to Jesus Christ.

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We're not playing the games that you play, and we don't care to have your friendship. If you're going to compromise and you're going to war against justice for these children, then no one's looking to compromise with you or be friends with you.

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We're not called to be friends with the world. We're called to have allegiance to Christ and to Christ alone, first and foremost.

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And so yeah, Jesus says he didn't conquer peace on the earth, but a sword, and he divides. And so if you're afraid of your career and the consequences that a bill like this would do, well, you're going to answer to God for that.

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That's a hard saying, but it's true. But from our perspective, we don't care about our careers, because you know what?

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First and foremost, and I say this as a church all the time, this isn't a job. Your career, that's laughing. This isn't a job.

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This isn't a career. I'm not a professional. I'm a minister of the gospel. So you can honestly go pound sand with your threats, pound sand, because we're following Christ and we're going to stand in the same place in history that Christians have stood when they've stood against evils in their day, like the issue of slavery.

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Isn't it amazing that in history now, people look back at those who opposed abolition as the bad guys in history.

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And some of those guys were calling themselves Christians and they were opposing slavery. And you know, and I know that they are on record, not as the heroes, but as the bad guys in history.

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And so you guys are officially, officially the bad guys in history.

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Homeschoolers 200 years from now are going to be looking back at you as the nefarious bad guys lurking in the background, resisting justice, and people will wonder, how did people actually profess to be believers and resist a bill like this?

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And so your pictures aren't going to be carved into the sides of mountains. No, those are the heroes.

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Those are the ones that don't compromise. Those are the ones who stand with conviction and they fight for the truth, not the people who compromise and are worried about their careers like you.

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As if they could be turned into hirelings to sacrifice their principles. Seriously, you know, your career is going to be really in jeopardy.