Eucharistic Miracles and the Modern Roman Catholic Situation

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Well So President United States Met with family and advisers over the weekend well over the holiday,

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I guess and You know there's conversation about should he

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Drop out of the race and stuff like that and so he came out They they they gave him his favorite ice cream,

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I'm sure and He was ready to spit nails he's defiant and and everything else

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So the video is now circulating This this is why the left hates

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Elon Musk and hates the internet and hates Because you know when you've got

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When you have complete control of the media like Pravda then stuff like this can happen and you can just Shove it down the memory hole and it's gone.

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No one Will ever think about it again ever hear about again if anyone mentions it they disappear, too

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And that's how you do things but right now. They're they're not there yet So I won't play the video.

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I don't wanna get in trouble But we'll play the audio So here's here's

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Big Joe the big guy Just a few minutes ago. I guess announcing that he's he's staying in the race here.

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Here we go Well guess what they're trying to push me out on the race Well, let me say this clear as I can

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I'm staying in the race I will beat

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Donald Trump. I will beat him again in 2020 Gotcha.

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I Will beat him again in 2020 you know that I would not be

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At all surprised if later on he said something about Being a senator running for the

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Senate You know Whatever because He's gone.

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I mean he is simply gone. There's there's nobody home and His wife.

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Oh my goodness. I Wow, um, I don't know but there you go that's uh, that's what we're facing and I just think there's gonna be a lot of Democrats sitting around going what on earth do we do now?

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I mean Rich was explaining that Kamala has control of the the war chest

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Right. It has to go to her if he if he goes so it's not like they can just go let's get

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You know Michelle Obama or Whitmer or whoever

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Because that money can't go to them And what's weird is I'm not quite sure if it doesn't go to if she doesn't step up I'm not sure what happens to that money

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It's kind of weird. I Don't know all I know is

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The Convention is coming up fast And when

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I said at the beginning of this year really late last year That 2024 was going to be crazy

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I Really wasn't thinking crazy as in just completely mentally insane but that's

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That's what we're looking at. So thank you. Thank you. Mr. President. Um We're behind you.

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I'm I'm behind Joe Biden For the first time beating

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Donald Trump in 2020 because he didn't do it in 2020, that's the whole point Maybe maybe that's what he's thinking.

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He knows he stole it. Anyways, so we're finally gonna win it outright in 2020 it's just like and the rest of the world's watching this that believe you me the rest of the world's watching and They're all going

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Wow And how can they how can they trust a nation like this? In the future

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When our people are so dull That they will elect these people

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How can you trust when when AOC can become it can be elected to Congress?

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How does that? Ilhan Omar You know, she's not even American Not really.

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I mean if you can stand there and Be proud that someone's saying her priorities aren't

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American priorities. It's not the Constitution. It's Somalia Okay There we go

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What what what can I tell you? Um Rich is looking at my new beautiful object in the back and he's looking with disdain as rich often does at Things rich disdains many things that make me happy and It's been it's been a cross to bear in my life

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It's it's been a sanctifying thing to have to You know have things that make me happy I mean,

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I have a lumen glass right in front of me that you all can't see

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You know because well actually for that reason we had it back there remember and Someone actually wrote in and said

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I can't watch your program because all I can do is watch the lumen glass Okay, well you could turn the video off there's really not much to see unless I'm playing something

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I certainly much to look at so Yeah, but no that is without a doubt the most

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Gloriously cool and And it does the the camera does not do it near justice what this one should show it better That one shows it better.

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Yeah It is brilliantly bright especially in the dark the the patterns it can do the intensity of color

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Yeah, that's that's awesome. I'm I'm truly Oh, and it's going with me

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As it's go it's going with me in the RV So I don't know where I could put it that it could be on the dividing line

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But it's gonna go with me in the RV one way or the other so it's quite light, too So I don't really have to worry about that part so anyhow

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Welcome to the So many wild thing I mean

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I sent my family a somebody did a video Where they they had one dog was

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Trump and one dog was Biden and They're arguing about who has more

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Endorsements from animals and Whoever did it you know if you're even semi decent

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I've not asked Josh to this because my son Josh is really good at impersonations He really is it seems

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Trump isn't that difficult to do Because I mean It's people who don't have a really distinctive voice.

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It's hard to but his He's so distinctive that a lot of people a lot of people can do it

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And there's just so much stuff out there right now. It's absolutely amazing so anyway

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Lots of stuff going on here. Oh Okay, oh

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Okay, all right Yeah, there's this is what we're gonna be talking about Starting off with um

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I saw Joshua Charles a convert to Romanism We've talked about before we've responded to some of his stuff, and he's he's sort of a

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Early church father abuser You know I read all this is why I became Roman Catholic and blah blah blah blah and again

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It's when you come to the early church fathers Rome tells you what to see and they see it And you know right now.

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You know I I can understand that 15 years ago 20 years ago but with Francis Just playing fast and loose with everything.

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It's hard for me because Joshua Charles is a smart guy But man when it comes to spiritual things people can just be so benighted

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I Could understand why people would Subject the early fathers to all the traditions of Rome and read them backwards and anachronistically and upside down everything else under John Paul maybe

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But anybody with with it. I would think with an honest bone their body looks at Francis and just goes

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We got a problem and yet many of these folks You know they're like well, it's just one man

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You know the church will be fine and that that that that done I just have I and and it's just it's the same thing.

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I've mentioned before when you listen to Roman Catholic converts What do they talk about? conversion to what to Christ abandonment of sin

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No conversion to church Always I've converted to the church the church the church the church the church it's it's their central focus and it can be a intellectualized church for many people

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Or for many people it's the Marian Church where Jesus is a

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Secondary character as far as their actual experience There can be all sorts of different forms that it that it takes but anyways

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Joshua Charles This says 21 hours ago, I don't know You know how on Twitter the time thing just goes crazy

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Have there been any Eucharistic miracles among Calvinists now,

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I know what they're talking about when they talk about Eucharistic miracles If you're if you if you were never a

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Roman Catholic If you grow up the background like mine

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You just never hear about this stuff You just know

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You'd stay so far away from it that you you wouldn't even couldn't even believe some of the things that Roman Catholics believe about Eucharistic miracles

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Marian miracles apparitions You know visions of saints and The volumes are many

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That could be written containing all of this stuff Someone someone dropped me a link on Twitter about two days ago

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Asking if I had you know seen about What was it?

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It was just one of many many. Oh, oh, oh, that's right. It was a vision of some

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Saint some visionary there are tens of thousands of them

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Who had? The person had posted had said that Martin Luther is in hell and This was a vision ostensibly of Martin Luther in hell or something like that and You know,

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I gave a brief response and and and I'm like Every religion has its visionaries every religion, you know when you think of Islam, for example

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Most of you know most Sunni Muslims Wouldn't be necessarily overly

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Excited about that kind of thing though eschatology speculations about end times huge It might even be bigger than in Christianity Books and everything else but then you have

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The Sufis and there is an entire not branch but spectrum of Muslim experience with Sufism That is very obviously that the reason it developed is because the

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Philosophical Legal Strict forms of Islam that developed as orthodoxy

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Don't really meet the needs of people who need to have a Spiritual experience in essence and so you had the whirling dervishes and the development of Sufism and and Though there's differences sort of the charismatic

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Bent Amongst Muslims and so you'll have visions and and all sorts of stuff

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There you have I've told the story. I don't know how many times I've told the story About the

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The story amongst the Mormons That I first heard on a visit in an apartment

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Near Grand Canyon back then college now Grand Canyon University 35th

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Avenue somewhere around Bethany Home Road, maybe a little south On an outreach visit from North Phoenix Baptist Church many many many many many years ago and Since it said

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Mormon, they sent me out. I think I think Mike was with me if I recall correctly

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Wasn't you you don't remember this one, but you've heard it. Okay. I think Mike was with me if I recall and And This We was having a conversation.

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I was presenting Bible verses so I was over and while I was sitting there was a two -story apartment

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I'll go ahead and tell us because it's probably been five or six years since I did I'll go could call in and tell the rest of story, but that's that's just I'll go and I Had gotten the feeling

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While I was sitting there that there was someone on the stairway around the corner you know how the stairwell go up and then there'll you know be a wall or something and I don't know if it's because I saw

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Movement and shadows or heard a sound or both. I don't remember But I Just had a feeling there was someone listening to the conversation and I think it got to a point where I presented some

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Biblical testimony the fact there's only one true God and the people really weren't given much of a response to it and Down comes a young lady and when

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I say young lady 14 maybe 12 12 to 15. How's that for a an age range?

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and she comes down the stairs and She says

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I just want to say That I've been listening to this conversation and I want to tell you that no matter what

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Bible verses You can throw at us. I know Mormonism is true. And she says

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I know Mormonism is true because I've experienced it to be true and she says

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I Was baptized to the dead and I've thought years later since I've encountered this story more than once now

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This is clearly a faith story, it's it's a I'm sure

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Mormons have youth retreats for their wards wards and stakes and stuff like that up and retreat centers and Prescott and Flagstaff just like we did and So I imagine these are the stories that are told around the campfires okay, and so But the way she put it

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She didn't say I knew a friend she said she had experienced this Okay. Well, here is the story because like I said,

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I've heard it more than once from multiple people in multiple places multiple states

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But she said she was being baptized to the dead and if you're familiar with baptism the dead especially back then you'd be baptized for like 50 people in a single session and You'd bring your names and and they would you know back in the olden days they'd use cards now they put into a computer and and You go down in the baptistry which is built on the back of 12 oxen and you've got the the elder who's baptizing you've got the recorder at the computer or desk as it used to be with the cards and and You would be baptized in be in the name of and in fact,

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I've got a video I didn't think about pulling this up, but I've got a video that I could show you where they've recorded this very thing happening and So She said that she was baptized and they said that she was done they had done all the baptisms and When she had first gone down into the water

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She had looked up and she saw a line of spirit beings at the top of the room opposite her and Every time she was baptized the spirit one of the spirit beings would smile and Disappear and so she's watching this and each time she's baptized

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So she knows these the people that I'm being baptized for and I am by my baptism.

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I'm giving them the freedom To leave the spirit prison and go to paradise

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So and and there used to be I've noticed it's not nearly as strong anymore, but there used to be this idea

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Amongst Mormons that they they have a role as saviors by doing their temple work

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Well, they tell her she's done and she realizes there's one spirit being left and The spirit being has begun to cry and so she's so upset.

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She says a mistake's been made We missed someone and they check the cards.

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I would assume would be cards back then Maybe they update it now that's got computers. They check the list and lo and behold there's

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Someone they missed they baptized for that person the spirit being stops crying smiles and disappears and she says to me she says

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I Don't care what you show me from the Bible. I know what I saw and I know it's true and so Mormons are actually encouraged

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Temple Mormons are Encouraged to have encounters in this way with supernatural in that in that way

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So what do you do with something like that? What do you do with someone who says I saw it? I had a vision, you know

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When a when a Muslim If you talk to a Muslim they had a vision that confirms their belief in Muhammad in the

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Quran well Most of us would do what I did With the young Mormon girl, and I took her to Scripture and said well you need to test what you say you saw by what

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Jesus said is the very speech of God because He's the one that predicted his own death burial resurrection rose from the dead

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You haven't and so you should follow the standards that he gives not anything that you've experienced and That's what we would do with anybody from from any perspective, right?

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well So when Joshua Charles get back to it now when?

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Joshua Charles Says have there been any Eucharistic miracles among Calvinist?

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I know what he's talking about. He talks about Eucharistic miracles especially starting at the turn of the

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Millennium stories began circulating of these Eucharistic miracles and so I Responded and here's and I'd ask you to think if you know if you're reformed you're a

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Calvinist like I am and a Roman Catholic said well How come you all don't have

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Eucharistic miracles? How would you respond what would your response be well you get to compare that with a

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Tweet that I wrote back. Here's what I said if you mean pagan stuff like blood or tears or hosts being set up in the middle of a beehive and Being worshipped by the bees.

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No If you mean Christian miracles Well every time I look down the lines of my fellow believers coming forward to partake of the bread and the wine

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Saying to the entire world he is my only hope being reminded the tremendous cost of their redemption and Then I see them again a month later a year later ten years later persevering in the faith.

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Yes miracles real miracles miracles consistent with apostolic teaching all the time so What what am

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I saying? What it it? It doesn't seem like any of the

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Roman Catholics who read that Had ears to hear what I was saying. I Mean the responses have been amazing.

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It really doesn't seem like anybody had the ears to hear Maybe they don't know that the

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Miracle stories that they are regaled with regularly about bleeding hosts weeping statues and the like Um Maybe maybe they don't know that There are parallels that kind of stuff in religions all over the world

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Maybe just not aware of it. Maybe they think it's absolutely unique to Roman Catholicism. We're the only people with this

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Maybe they've never met a Mormon Maybe they've never met a Muslim. Maybe they've never met

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I'm not sure how you could not meet a charismatic Who will have all their miracle stories too,

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I suppose I don't know but maybe maybe they just don't know My point was that from a biblical

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Perspective there are such things as Eucharistic miracles

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But if you define those terms biblically, what's the Eucharist? It's the Lord's Supper What's the miracle?

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The miracle is that every time that Supper is celebrated and I'm not talking about a priest who claims to have sacramental powers and Transubstantiation and all the rest of that stuff.

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I'm talking about an apostolic understanding of What the Lord's Supper is 1st

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Corinthians chapter 11, okay So By the way, your your truck was right

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National Weather Service just said said we hit 118 today Which is the new record?

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for the day Still four degrees below the below the max. So anyway, um 11 degrees above normal.

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So some people like that's only 11 degrees above the normal Yeah, it is yeah at 107 would be the be the normal so anyway that just popped up When you you know, we're talking about The fact that we have people

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From all sorts of different backgrounds on the other side of the earth speaking languages that did not exist in the days of Christ who are gathering together and are inobedience to Christ Testifying of his death

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Until he comes by partaking of The supper the bread and the wine in obedience to the command of Christ so I Consider that miraculous and What I was meaning about seeing them the next week month year decade is

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Seeing the same people seeing the faithfulness the Spirit of God in causing these people to persevere for years and years and years as they testify in the supper of Their faith in Jesus Christ and I consider that to be a significantly more important Verifying miracle

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Than all these stories That float around in all sorts of different religions including

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Roman Catholicism so all they all they could hear was oh, so Didn't realize anything involving blood tears or bees was pagan and Obviously what

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I was saying is the pagans have parallel stories there needs to be something that's specifically Christian And they they didn't get it

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But he did challenge me and of course finding this stuff and so frustrating

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Finding this stuff is is hard to do again, and I'm sure it's still in my Yeah, it's funny though a

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Guy named Jake Catholic no Posted a an image

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Three images and It says like the pagans the bees were converted centuries ago

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Protz exists in a perpetual state of imposter syndrome fueled resentment, and it's a graphic that someone posted of Images of Jesus and the bees would not put the honeycomb over the image of Jesus so people were putting images of Jesus in beehives and See they won't build it over the image because they were converted

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And I'm like so you're proving what I was saying Yeah, okay So I guess something

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I have to do here is Because Twitter doesn't want to show me

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Anything here is go ahead and and pull this out of my Yep, there it is.

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Come on. There it is. Okay Notepad Pull it out of the clipboard there.

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I Told this story during the debate with Bobson Janice 25 years ago somewhere around there on the mass

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It's taken from Philip Schaaf the short little story He gives a number of them and you could multiply these over and over and over again

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Another case related by Etienne of Bourbon is Of a farmer who wanting to be rich Followed the advice of a friend and placed the host in one of his beehives

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So again back up here for people who are going. What are you talking about? Um In the early church

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Over time you have the development of the concept of a priesthood. That's it's not apostolic.

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It's certainly not New Testament What happened was they? mistakenly

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Differentiated between elder A presbyter off and an episcopos a bishop they divided those into two different offices and Then the presbyter office became a priest

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They're not priests But that's

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How it happened over time and then once you've got priests then they have this special role and sacramental authority but even in the early church

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There was no reservation of the host. What does that mean? Well, if you've been to Roman Catholic Church, you see people when they come in they bow they genuflect

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They're doing that out of respect for the consecrated host that's kept in the monstrance fix teborium tabernacle different terms different functions, but there are consecrated hosts that are kept in the church as the physical presence of Jesus in the church and So in many

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Roman Catholic countries, you'll see these carried around in processions and people bow down because that's

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God God is being carried by and That Developed that concept is not apostolic and it's not nearly church in the early church.

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They would take Hosts from the supper Take the the bread and the wine from the supper and they would for example

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Take that to people who couldn't come to the meeting because they were sick something along those lines But they would not reserve them for veneration and worship

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They weren't put in something special and carried through the streets and all the rest that kind of stuff that that required the development of the idea of Transubstantiation, that's one of the reasons why

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The early church's view of real presence that Christ was truly with his people is not the same thing as transubstantiation

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If it was transubstantiation Then they would have reserved these things and they would have carried them around and all our system that develops about a thousand

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AD time period it's again Remember things don't everything doesn't happen all at once.

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You don't have the Internet. You don't have fax machines You know, you can get developments in one area that's way ahead or behind another area stuff like that so These hosts

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Would be once transubstantiation became the popular understanding then all these stories started developing and The host became magical it had magical powers

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Because it's God And these people are barely non, you know, they're barely quote -unquote

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Christian at all So they've got a lot of paganism in them. So that's the background of this.

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So the farmer who wanted to be rich Followed the advice of a friend and placed the host in one of his beehives the bees with great reverence made a miniature church

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Containing an altar on Which they placed the sacred morsel all the bees the neighborhood were attracted and sang beautiful melodies

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Yeah, rich rich just gave me a look like I'm yeah Okay, the rustic went out expecting to find the hives overflowing with honey

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But to his amazement found them all empty except The one in which the host had been deposited

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The bees attacked him fiercely he repaired to the priest who after consulting with the bishop went in procession to the hive and Found the miniature church with the altar and carried it back to the village church while the bees singing songs flew away

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Okay, so I Told this story in The debate on the mass and that's what

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I was referring to in my tweet This kind of miracle story

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Again is found in all the religions of man You'll find them in in the

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East and in Hinduism Associated with all the

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I mean just just think of all the temples and idols of all the different sects and subsects of Hinduism and Buddhism and and all this type of stuff.

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That's just all over the place and They all have volumes and volumes of stories of nature miracles

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And you know this image of Shiva did this when that happened. It's just it's everywhere

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You could not possibly read all of them in your entire life Everywhere what they don't have

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Is what I was talking about what they don't have are Changed lives what they don't have is the

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The unity That is brought about by a common commitment

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To a gospel that points you away from what you do to what someone else has done

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That's what I don't have. That's what I was talking about. None of them heard that not only there was not There was not a single person

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I saw in the comments that got any of that That had any earthly idea what

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I was even talking about at all which is sad Because a number of them are converts, but that should tell you a little something about that so in the midst of all of that stuff

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I Encountered a

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Argument that you may run into so hopefully if you've just sort of been listening along Maybe you can tune in a little bit more here

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I ran into this same argument in the almost exact same form from someone else

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Think it was somebody else Who knows on Twitter anymore who knows he may be the same person with two different accounts and everything else

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But I Remember when we first started going out to Mesa This Start happening with some level of regularity is so you start getting used to it

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But the first time it happened it throws you for a loop You have a lengthy conversation with somebody

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You give them the best you've got you point them to the scriptures and Before they walk off they go, you know,

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I just want I think you need to know That my testimony of Joseph Smith and the

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Book of Mormon has been strengthened By everything you said to me now it almost always

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Was in a condition it's a situation where the other person had not actually been able to respond to anything you said

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They they they couldn't respond to the arguments. They had not even heard these arguments before They They just they just didn't know and so this is how they would

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Do that and you know the first time you have someone say that you're like How do

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I respond to that what until you discover this is a defense mechanism In reality, you've really challenged them

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They're really shaken and this is actually for them. It's not for you They are trying to find a way to go

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Everything's still okay You know, they're rattled and this is what someone who's rattled does so a couple days ago a

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Roman Catholic in Twitter Pulled the same thing and that's what makes it interesting is he he mentioned

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Jeff Durbin as well Couple days a couple days ago and here it is again. So here's what was posted by a guy named

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Frank Dr. White I would like to thank you and Jeff Durbin for being two of the biggest influences in helping me become

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Catholic God must have predestined to use you guys to convert me in thousands

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Back to Catholicism. Thanks be to God. So notice he's a revert. He's not a convert. He's a revert at least that's what he seemingly is what he's saying and So my

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Reese I wrote back to him and I think I was writing this just before the show started Yeah, 2 50 p .m.

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So that would have been you know about 10 minutes for the show started I said, you know when the first LDS missionary used the you've increased my faith in the

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Book of Mormon ploy with me in my Early 20s. It really bothered me Until I discovered this is a ploy used by every religion out there

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Mormons JWs Muslims. You name it and You just tried the same thing So it no longer bothers me since I know it is absurd on his face

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And when I challenge anyone who says it they find a new Twitter account to use for a while It is particularly sad to see people in the days of Francis So desperate for something that they would try this.

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I hope someday you find true and lasting peace and believing the truth Rather than such a shallow falsehood.

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You have to pull this kind of stunt It happens a lot so Be aware that when you get that kind of thing

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You've probably actually Presented some arguments that they've never thought of before and this is how you

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Bluster your way out of that type of a situation is in that context

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So, oh wow and There I find the quote that I was just looking for all that That now

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I realize why the reformed to Rome guy the Apostate to Rome Had said

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I see well Can you point me point point to me an ancient pagan that set up the substantial?

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Presence the body of Christ for bees to worship that set the precedent for your comment. Well, I didn't say that any of that stuff

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I was talking about a specific Example which I did then provide that quotation to But then

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Instead of hearing any of that stuff. Here's another Roman Catholic Apparently Jesus Christ bleeding crying when being scourged sweats of blood at Mount of Mount Olive Mount of olives

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We're all pagan. I obviously said nothing even slightly relevant to that but Again, if you don't want to deal with the issues, you don't you don't have to something else happened today,

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I Mentioned last week the week before last Vegan Oh is how some people say that supposed to be pronounced anyways former archbishop

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He had been the Vatican Representative to the

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United States for a number of years. This is not someone who is Just your local parish priest, this is a guy who's who was in the upper echelons of the

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Roman Catholic Church and as a person in the upper echelons he really started seeing things that Convinced him that Bergoglio Pope Francis He won't call him

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Pope Francis remember I read I read everything that he said to you if you listen to the program a while ago and He was summoned to Rome to answer for this crime of schism

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Which obviously he had committed. I mean, that's pretty obvious when he denies

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That Francis is a Pope And accuses him of heresy

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Well He and I agree But I'm not pretending to be a

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Roman Catholic, so what are you gonna do and so he has been

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Excommunicated He has been removed from the Roman Catholic Church. Now.

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I just want to point out if this was the year 1600 and We lived in a

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Roman Catholic country There would have been further ramifications of this action in Other words, he wouldn't would have been arrested and executed.

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Oh, but that was just the state doing it Yeah, but if the state didn't do it then they would be excommunicated and eventually you'd find someone the state who was going to do it

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Because they didn't want to end up being burned themselves And so everybody knew it was the church doing it but now in the modern days it's all no no no church never did

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Everybody knew exactly what's going on So, um, I don't think

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Vigano has too much to worry about on that that end of things But I wrote this on Twitter as well

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I said, okay just part of this for a bit my dear Catholic friends Heretics galore run around Catholic University campuses

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Denying every cardinal doctrine Rome has dogmatized and it's true by the way.

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I mean you you see these historically Roman Catholic universities and the abject

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Collapse Of Roman Catholic schools in regards to Roman Catholic theology.

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Oh There are a few There are a few that have tried to sort of hold on but the vast majority have just given in just collapsed and You know, you go to Boston College and take a theology class there

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You're gonna you're gonna hear every kind of Left -wing

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Wackadoodle Theology known to man just like you can in every left -wing

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Protestant seminary So I said Denying every cardinal doctrine

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Rome is dogmatized daily in print even for that matter the Pope himself favors many of these leftists and promotes them within the

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Vatican and he does I Mean Tucho Fernandez look at the Dicastery of the

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Faith the former Inquisition The Inquisition is now good at getting rid of people who believed what the

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Inquisition used to believe Okay, there's been a Complete reversal. It's it's it there is

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If you can't if you can't at least sit back and go well Yeah the

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Jesuits of 1600 would have burned every single

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Jesuit of 2024 with prior without due process and The Roman Church the

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Roman Inquisition of 1600 Could not even imagine the

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Roman Inquisition of 2024 Couldn't even couldn't even begin to imagine the possibility

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So The Pope does favor many of these leftists he puts them on papal commissions all the rest of this kind of stuff

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Meanwhile vegan Oh is guilty of schism That is obvious But he is guilty for speaking the truth about Francis And that is why he's been excommunicated.

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It's true. And Then I want to try to you know, bring this to the reason why

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I'm sharing it and given the authority structure of Rome a Structure never even dreamed of by the

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Apostles There is nothing to be done about it Just hold your nose smile and repeat the mantra

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Oh, well, yes, this stinks, but hey, this must be proof that the church is right and I've seen that Over and over again for years, but especially just recently

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So many people on Twitter you point these things out you point the changes that Francis is making you

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You demonstrate that Francis is not consistent with even the

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Roman Catholic concept of tradition and What do you hear well, that's why

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I'm a Catholic It's like really, okay You're a

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Catholic because you have What you seemingly admit is an apostate leader?

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and Your faith that the church is just going to continue and That that apostate leader is not going to teach the church

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Anything that's heretical even though history shows that that is absolutely absurd

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Honorius did it was in the net. It was anathematized by every one of the successors reported here Francis is doing it

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Francis is putting people in place We're going to be there long after he's gone.

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I mean think about you know, why why are the Democrats so wildly focused on Winning in 2024 because they know there are at least two

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Possibly three Supreme Court justices that aren't going to make it to 2028 and They want those seats why because that's how they can have an impact far far far far far beyond this time frame

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And so when Francis is putting people on In positions where they are going to impact the teaching

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Within the Roman Church for decades. Don't tell me he's not teaching Don't tell me that's not an act of teaching

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He's that's what they've done. That's they've done with papal infallibility. Papal infallibility is such a joke. It is such a joke

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It literally mmm. I mean it honestly comes down to in its final analysis

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That the Pope Is always right unless he's wrong That's all it is and you can never know

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You can never know You can't know as Roman Catholic today what fiduciary supplicants really means and you won't know while Francis is alive and you can't really know what it means and You can't really know

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What any tradition is or any teaching is because it can change and when it changes that means that's what it always was

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Even though you understood it differently, which means you'll be wrong, but you have no way of knowing you were wrong Isn't that fun

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What a mess What a mess and so that's what

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I'm saying here is I'm saying and given the authority structure of Rome a Structure never even dreamed of by the

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Apostles. There is nothing To be done about it just hold your nose smile and repeat the mantra and that's what they're doing and I said man

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Don't you get tired of it and I I'm not necessarily looking for responses from the most

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From the Roman Catholics who like to type a lot, okay? There are many times when

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I would be having conversations out in Mesa or Salt Lake City and I know other people are listening

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I'm actually more concerned about what they're hearing than the people I'm talking to especially when I can tell That you know our guys

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Some Apologia and some of the other guys up in Utah Man, I just love how they are.

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So evangelistic. They're always out in Provo. They're always out talking to BYU students They're they're on the streets.

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They're talking to Mormons all the time. And evidently there's a guy up there I think I may have run into him in Mesa once but there's a guy up there

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That is just I don't know how to describe it outside of he is a time waster.

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His whole purpose is to Get you to talk to him for three hours and not talk to anybody else and never accomplish anything in the process and Sometimes you you get stuck in a situation like that and you really wonder about the value of this but So often there are other people and so I wrote this primarily for the people who are not going to be responding to there's gonna be listening and thinking and Going.

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Yeah there are wild -eyed leftist heretics everywhere in the

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Roman Catholic Church and the Dicastery for the faith will do nothing about them because the

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Dicastery of the faith is filled with them But Vigano a believing

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Catholic points these things out boom and Again, you know, it's true

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Every Catholic watching this knows it's true. If you know anything about history, it was 400 years ago.

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He would be dead It was 300 years ago, he'd be dead he was in a

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Catholic country he'd be He'd either disappear or he would be burned at the stake

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That's what happened it did How'd this happen? And what can you do about it?

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It makes you go, huh? Did we take a wrong turn someplace?

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Uh, yeah Yeah, took a long wrong turn long long time ago and so there was one

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Was a one person responded when I said doesn't that bother you this is a

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Repentant sinner Convert to Christ Catholic former adult actress producer

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Rosary designer former pro -athlete Miss be converted

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Is her name is the thing of it and her response is simply no Don't bother me and there are just all these people

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Who will just go nope, I'm not gonna think about it. Nope bother me

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Don't bother it. Everything is gonna be just fine and dandy and you go, um

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Do you Do you really think that what Rome is teaching is

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The faith of the church for 2 ,000 years. Oh, yeah Okay.

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So when I point out that 400 years ago Very different beliefs than now

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You don't that doesn't make you stop and go well, how could that be and I my mind just goes back to what ironically

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Bob St. Genis wrote to me years ago When I criticized John Paul II for contradicting an earlier

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Pope And he was like who are you to interpret that what the church teaches only the church gets to interpret the church

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Well, who's the church today You telling me that Tucho Fernandez Gets to interpret these things.

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That's that's the voice of the church now Because I know one thing. I know one thing

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Tucho Fernandez does not believe What Roman Catholics believed only a hundred years ago really only 50 years ago

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He believes very very different thing so how so how is that not a complete denial of There being any kind of real

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Apostolic tradition in the possession of the church. Yes, sir Well the question

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I would ask here is does Bob still believe the way he did

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When he said that because when he's on iron sharpens iron The things he said were

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Man talk about pulling no punches. Oh, he didn't pull any punches But does the fact that he's

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Catholic then give him the right to say those things and you're not and that's the only different Well, but but see

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Bob's trying to survive without becoming a set a vacantist without Coming to the conclusion that the papacy has been

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Lost or taken over or destroyed or something along those lines. I don't know why anybody would do that.

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I Give him credit for trying but you basically heard him say well

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We've we've sometimes we have really bad Pope's and you just have to hold your nose and he'll pass and I'm like He's done everything in his power

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To fundamentally alter the mechanism by which His successor and every successor after him will be chosen

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So what if you get three Francis's and they keep moving left with them See most of it most of this happens

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So slowly that we don't you know, we don't live long enough to end up seeing all of it

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We can see it in the past. And so that's why I'm saying look back. Look back a hundred years Do you see what's changed and they're saying we don't need to look back.

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We can just look right now. It's like then you'll never know you'll never know and and that means is if If you say to me, yes,

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I have certainty because the church is the church of 2 ,000 years ago you just hung yourself you just Ripped away any possibility of that being true.

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So why should I believe it? So I feel sorry for folks in that situation. I really do.

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I pray the Lord will give direction and Open hearts and minds.

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I think there are a lot of people have been red -pilled By Francis and I I Just don't want to see the same things happen there that's happened within Mormonism where people start realizing

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Something's all wrong here and they just end up as the religiously abused they leave

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They don't believe in anything anymore They're they're burned out, you know The same thing happened with the JW is after the failed prophecy in the 70s over a million people left

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They didn't end up going anywhere else. They just became the religiously abused and We have a we have a large large

01:00:01

Missionary opportunity there evangelism opportunity right there in front of us. So, all right.

01:00:07

Well That'll do it for this week. I believe unless I am mistaken

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That When are we our

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Tuesday so on Tuesday, I don't know I don't know how this works

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I don't know how it's gonna work. I'm gonna sit here and Rich is gonna give me the names and We're gonna go from there, but we're gonna do the

01:00:40

Drawing, but we're gonna do it electronically We're not printing out little pieces of paper

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We're not gonna bring summer in to you know, pull out a little piece of paper and hand it to me

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Yes, no, the list has been put in order. We haven't, you know done a drawing yet We haven't done the randomizer portion of it, but the list has been organized everything every ticket that was purchased has been put and Designated in the order that they were brought in everything's nailed down cross -checked

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That's all already done so the only thing left to do is to actually run the randomizer on Tuesday, we'll do them separately the first for the cross and then for the

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Bible and We'll know then who? Who when who the winners are?

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Here's the question What if we find out that someone who bought a ticket

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Doesn't believe that God knows who's gonna win. So if you have an open theist

01:01:47

That buys a ticket They don't believe that right now

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God knows who's gonna win because God doesn't know what the result of the randomizer is going to be because the future doesn't exist yet I'll let you deal with that All I know is we're gonna push a button a number is going to come out

01:02:08

That number is going to tell us who the winner is. Thank you. Thank you very much You don't want me getting theology involved with computer stuff don't want that no

01:02:20

That's what's scary about AI As well, so there you go Okay, so we'll do on Tuesday the 9th

01:02:31

We will do that and So next week should be fairly straightforward for the 10th and the 11th regular programs on Tuesday Thursday And then the 12th is when rich and I get really busy

01:02:48

Because I pull out for The trip and we have two of the three debates pretty much nailed down For the

01:03:02

Colorado trip Colorado trips just under a month It's gonna be way too short as far as I'm concerned really looking forward to it love

01:03:11

Colorado and I'll just tell you

01:03:17

For those of you, you know, the three or four of you that have prayed for me from the day after That last surgery where it was successful and we got things taken care of the day after that.

01:03:29

I've been on bike And I'm not back. I'm still so heavy in comparison, but I once was terrible.

01:03:38

I'm not fully back But in June I Rode I spent 45 hours on bike and rode 707 miles a lot of climbing a lot of climbing

01:03:53

So I'm really happy about that. I'm excited about that. And so I'm looking forward to riding

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Some places in Colorado that I haven't ridden before and then other places getting to see places.

01:04:05

I didn't ever think I'd see again Because honestly I was starting to give up that I'd ever get to do any of this stuff again

01:04:10

And I realized all that could come to an end tomorrow. I'm living with that. I live with that reality

01:04:16

Things could go south tomorrow. I'm just enjoying it Well while I've got it just thankful that the Lord's given me this season to be able to do that thing because I'll be honest with you

01:04:26

When I've got goals like that and I'm working hard I'm much more energetic in studying

01:04:32

I was I was today while I was riding indoors. I was listening to one of that one of the guys

01:04:37

I'm gonna be debating and the book I'm reading isn't a thousand percent relevant to our topic, but I Want to know where the guy's coming from, you know, and so I've got that focus that I don't have as strongly

01:04:52

When I'm not feeling as good as I'm feeling right now And so I'm really thankful for that.

01:04:57

So two of the three Pretty much in the bag. One is one's gonna be public in the sense of you can come in Colorado Springs You can come

01:05:11

I'm sorry in a Denver, but really but in common Listen to the debate.

01:05:17

It'll be on open theism. Does God exhaust? We know the future and And yes, we did do a debate 10 -year

01:05:24

Can you believe is 10 years ago in Denver with Bob Enyart on the same subject? This will be a little bit different than that one and Then right the end

01:05:35

We will have a debate with Jared Longshore brother Jared Jared Longshore on Who is in the

01:05:44

New Covenant according the book of Hebrews? But that will be done from the RV That'll be the first formal debate that I've done from the studio in the

01:05:56

RV So that'll be right at the end of the trip so hopefully we'll have worked out all the kinks and bugs and everything else and I'll have

01:06:04

Redundancy available as far as internet connectivity and stuff like that there hopefully

01:06:12

Will be a third debate At the beginning more toward the beginning of the trip, well once I get to Colorado Springs So pray that that happens

01:06:24

The gentleman I would be debating is trying to free up that time move some things around so he can he can be there for that So pray that that works out because I You know the more the better the topics are all topics that Certainly, I'm doing work on because I want to know where the individual is coming from I want to try to you know

01:06:48

I'm not like some people who just simply have a Pre -programmed presentation I'm just gonna show up with my slides and the other guy can say what he wants to and I'm just gonna do my thing

01:06:59

I Want to try to make it more, you know directly relevant and hey three debates and Then I've got a fourth one coming up in October Will will move us to getting to the big two zero zero

01:07:18

It's it's just down the road. It's just down the road still a lot of work to get there. But And hopefully these would be useful topics useful for a long term

01:07:28

That's what we're trying to do These years anyways with with the debates so that'll be coming up and Again I Would say by the time

01:07:42

I head out we should have all that stuff worked out as far as addresses times

01:07:51

You know, are they gonna ask you to? Get tickets so they have enough room and stuff like that.

01:07:56

I don't know yet That's something they keep asking you want the churches both of them have asked me how many people do you expect to show up and I'm like Got no idea

01:08:08

Didn't know what one of the debates who was gonna be with so I don't know How is he is he gonna draw his side?

01:08:18

I don't know. There's no way of knowing But one of the ways the church is these days frequently do that to avoid problems is to have a you know online registration thing

01:08:28

Where you that way they can make sure they have enough room and you don't have people angry getting turned away in the back like at the

01:08:38

Debate in Southern California that one night. It turned out not to be a debate. Anyways, um Try to avoid that kind of stuff.

01:08:45

So we'll let you know more about that, but I'm really excited about it a lot of work do between now and then not only preparatory for that but just simply all the stuff you need to do to Head out for a month on the road

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So if you pray for us, please please pray along those lines Regular schedule mainly next week.