How to Identify What is the True Religion

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Andrew Rappaport on World Religions and His Book What Do They Believe?

On this edition of The Wrap Report, I was a guest on another podcast called Entrusting the Faith with the host Eric Rutherford. We talked quite a bit about world religions, specifically from my book, What Do They Believe?

So we got into a lot of different topics. It was a good and fun conversation. I hope that you will enjoy this. Check out their podcast, Entrusting the Faith, and you can continue listening to The Wrap Report.

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Welcome to the Entrusting the Faith Podcast. Welcome to the Entrusting the Faith Podcast. I'm your host, Eric Rutherford, and I'm excited today because with me is Andrew Rappaport. He is the preaching pastor of Grace and Truth Bible Church in Bucks County, Pennsylvania.

He's the founder and executive director of Striving for Eternity Ministries and the Christian Podcast Community. He is the host of several podcasts. He has written books such as What Do They Believe?, a systematic theology of major Western religions, as well as What Do We Believe?, which is a systematic theology of the Christian faith.

He's also contributed to other books. Two quick items before we get to our interview. First, if you go to our website at entrustingthefaith .com, scroll down to the bottom, sign up for our weekly emails so you know who is coming up on the podcast for the week and who you may have missed the previous week.

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You'll be encouraged and given action steps that you can apply so that you're moving forward. Okay, now let's jump into today's episode. Man, Andrew, thank you so much for joining me today. Eric, thank you so much for having me on.

Oh, it is my pleasure. It is my pleasure. Now, one of the things just to kind of start off with, I was fascinated by your book, What Do They Believe? A Systematic Theology of the Major Western Religions.

So for those who are not familiar with it, would you tell us a little bit about it?

The Purpose of What Do They Believe? and the Major Western Religions

Sure. What I started to do, this is back in 2001 after 9 -11. At church, people asked me if I would start to do some research and training on Islam because that kind of came up after September 11th. And people knew the way that I do study, went through, studied through the Quran, put some together.

Then people were kind of curious with my Jewish background, would I do something there? And I had some done research there. So I worked through the Talmud, systematized Judaism. Then since I was doing that, people said, hey, can you do Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons?

And then I added one more for Roman Catholicism and then did one on Christianity. So what I do with those six religions is I look at what's their authority, what's their view of specifically God, but specifically a trinity, their view of Jesus Christ, specifically a deity, the sinfulness of man, salvation, and end times.

So those six doctrines in those six religions, it's taken from their sources. So the thing that's different with this book, I'm not trying to refute the religions. I'm trying to explain what they actually believe from their sources, where that becomes really helpful for folks.

If you ever get engaged with a conversation with a Muslim, you're going to hear them explain that you as a Christian believe in three gods. And a Christian goes, no, no, that's not the case. I had once in New York City where I had a family, a Muslim family, and they were telling me, and this is a guy, a Ph .D., a Ph .D. professor at a university, and he's telling me that this is what I believe.

And I had 20 evangelists with me. I'm just pulling them all out. I'm just like, hey, come over, define the trinity, define the trinity. And they're all defining it the same way. And he's like, OK, I got this wrong.

And at the end of that conversation, I was able to say to him, I said, listen, is there anything that I said in our conversation where I misrepresented Islam? And he said, no, you accurately, you have a really good understanding of Islam, better than most that I know.

I said, well, here's the thing. You've constantly misrepresented Christianity. And I understand why you did, because you got your information from the Koran. But the point is, is you're misrepresenting Christianity.

So when you tell me I'm wrong, am I really going to believe you? No, because you don't understand what you're talking about. But are you going to believe me because I haven't misrepresented? And he recognized that he needed to study the New Testament more.

That's what the book is for. It's not to try to refute the religions. It is the purpose of it is so that when you come in contact with someone from this religion, you can accurately know what they believe.

So I spent 14 years of my life studying these world religions. So you don't have to.

I love that. But it's you're going to the source material. You're understanding what they say about themselves. And you're looking at a few different categories of faith to be able to essentially put it on a grid and say, OK, here's what they believe.

And here's what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe. And here's what Christianity believes. And so you basically you sort of use Christianity as that plumb line of, OK, here's what's biblical. And then you compare everything up against it to see where they differ.

Well, actually, I don't I don't so much set it up as the plumb line I try to take. And this is a neat thing with with the book. What do they believe? Actually, with both my books, they're what a lot of people have come back to me with is that there could be used as quick reference guides because each chapter can be read completely independent.

But with what do they believe each section in it within each chapter? If you're talking to a Jehovah's Witness and you want to focus just on their view of salvation, you could just go to that section and just read that section.

And it's quicker. So I'm not trying to compare them to Christianity. What I'm trying to do is say this is what when we look at them, this is what they believe. Now, the reason I put in the last chapter on Christianity is because of the fact that I want them to see that plumb line to compare after looking at all the others.

And I do have at the end of that book because I never I never expected that book to be used as a witnessing tool. We have a guide that goes along with it. And there is a person who's a missionary in the Muslim world.

And he actually uses that book in the guide to evangelize. And he starts with chapter three on Islam. And he said the reason he does that is because once they see that, OK, this is accurate on Islam, he goes back to Judaism, Catholicism, then looks at the others, gets to Christianity.

By then, by the time he gets to Christianity, he's built up a good rapport and good working relationship with a person. And so then he can talk about Christianity. Now, he's in a country where it's illegal to evangelize.

So he does it under the guise of just teaching religion. But because they trust what what it says on Islam, they then trust everything else. And the last what I did end up doing was putting an epilogue to that book because so many people use it to evangelize, explaining the uniqueness of Christianity.

Wow, that is fascinating that not only the information, not only you're going to the source material, but in with Muslims in that capacity that they could use it, they it has credibility with them for in the way it speaks about their faith.

And so it it it adds credibility to what you say about about Christianity and the others because it's credible to them.

Yeah, because what I did with Islam is very interesting. Speaking with one Muslim, because I said that I only went to the Koran. Why? Well, because when you get to Hadiths and things like that, there are differences.

And so, you know, I want to make sure that I represent what all of Islam would say, not just one sect of Islam. It's you could cherry pick if you wanted to. If you're looking to try to cherry pick things, you could cherry pick and make it really look extreme by looking at the extremists of any religious group.

I don't want to do that. I want to say, OK, this is common that anyone that is a Muslim would hold to this. Yeah, there's going to be other things, but the core is going to hold to this.

That's powerful. I mean, that is that is very powerful in in the the witness that you are sharing to them, not only for going that extra mile to understand what they hold true. And then it's almost that reciprocity, right?

It's like, OK, if this is, you know, you we understand you suddenly have a credible source. And now what you say about Christianity also is credible. And this is what the Bible says. So I love that. That that's a that's a beautiful way of doing it.

But it also sounds like it was pretty labor intensive, too.

Well, it's just the way that my mind works, I think, systematically. So it flows out that way. And I think that's why the way that I write has I think that's why the stuff I do ends up being quick reference type material.

The other thing that I've been really amazed with, you know, you write a book and the feedback you get is kind of interesting. I didn't write it as a quick reference guide, but that's what a lot of people have come back.

And they said that two things they love about my book is one, it could be used as a quick reference guide. It's compact, very articulate. And then the other thing that would really surprise me is that people were saying how even though they don't study different issues, everything is explained well enough that even though they may have never studied this, they can understand the details.

And I think that's really because of my first pastor who trained me that you got to teach at all levels. So you don't use big words, define them, use them for those who know, but then define them for those who don't know.

And I guess that has really helped folks. And what really it's it's amazing to see when you see people who will use the books and people from all different ranges, people who study theology to people who don't study theology, and they're all getting a lot out of it.

And that helps me.

I love that. It's accessible to pretty much everybody. Everybody can get something out of it, can use it. It's just a great resource and tool for wherever they're at. I love that. Now, what just as we are thinking, just within our culture, we'll say in the U .S., do you find there are specific religions that people will run into that we need to be able to answer to or be familiar with?

Are there one or two, especially that we should, you know, sort of be listening for?

Religions Christians Encounter Most Often in the United States

A lot of that's going to depend where people live. If you live in Utah or Idaho, you're going to run into Mormons. They're going to be very popular there. There's going to be more of a central location there for them.

Islam is one, no matter where you go, pretty much, you're going to be dealing with more in America. And it's one that a lot of people have a lot more questions with ever since 9 -11. It's growing here in the United States, and it is one that people aren't as familiar with.

Mormonism, how can I say this? Mormonism would be really good science fiction if it wasn't considered a religion, okay? It really, it's an interesting science fiction type of religion. But when you start to look at it, you know, it has so much internal, you know, just has a lot of contradictions internally that they have to work around.

But Mormonism is going to grow, I think, a little bit more than Jehovah's Witnesses. People are used to having Jehovah's Witnesses knock on their door. And so it used to be you had to be more prepared for dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses.

The reality is that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't knocking on doors as much as they used to. Now they just go to airports or different places and set up a booth and just sit there and wait for someone to come up to them.

And they're not going out as much. And if you actually know anything about the Bible, they don't want to talk to you. Wow. Yeah, so if you enjoy talking to Jehovah's Witnesses like I do, you have to really be coy with it.

You have to, you have to not, you just learn how to ask questions without answering things. You have to learn how to guide a conversation by asking questions, because once they sense, ooh, you actually understand something, the conversation kind of ends.

Wow. I did not realize the extent that they've gone or sort of the push that they have, or the shift, I guess, is really the methodology that they've taken.

Well, one thing that's good to do with that is, I've started doing this recently, a friend of mine encouraged this because he did this and it worked well, is one of the first questions I'll ask with someone that's Jehovah's Witness or Mormon or Muslim, one of the first questions I'm going to ask is, how much time do you have to talk?

And there's a reason I ask that up front. If they say, oh, I got about an hour. Okay, because it's interesting when I talk to Jehovah's Witnesses about five minutes in, they tell me they got to go and I go, wait, you said we have about an hour.

So it's a way of almost kind of guilting them into keeping with the conversation because they have to admit they're lying otherwise, right? But it's interesting the response then that you get if they're going to continue for the hour, which they usually don't want to because they basically, they don't.

A lot of times what happens is they get stuck where they don't want to have to continue the conversation because they're told just avoid it, because you who know the Bible are just deceived and you don't want to receive any of this brainwashing that those Christians got, which is kind of interesting because when you think about Roman Catholicism, right?

They say that those of us who believe in things like salvation by faith alone, that we're anathema, we're cursed. We are not Christian, according to them. You have Jehovah's Witnesses who would say that we're not Christian because we believe in, by their argument, three gods.

You'd have the Mormons that would say they're restoring the gospel that we've destroyed, and so we're not really Christian. And so they always separated themselves from biblical Christianity. But if you've noticed, there's been a push in all three of those groups to say we are Christian.

And in fact, that's what the Mormons had a whole commercial thing where they were putting out and saying we are Christian was their whole phrase. And I'd always go, wait a minute. So you're Christian.

So you want to be like us. But yet you say we have a false gospel. What's wrong here with this picture?

So definitely some inconsistency going on there. Yeah. So what is like something unique about biblical Christianity? What sets it apart from everything else that people listening can go, okay, I'm going to hold fast to this.

And in comparison, I can clearly identify what is false.

The Uniqueness of Biblical Christianity

Yeah. And that's probably the most important thing for folks to do is study the truth. Instead of trying to study all the world religions, you really don't have to. As I always tell people when I do seminars, you don't have to study every world religion.

Study the truth because 2 Corinthians 13, 8, you can take anything against the truth. You can't twist the truth. Truth will stand up against anything. So study the truth. So there's three elements of Christianity that are unique between any world religion.

And I usually tell people there's only two world religions. I'm an open air evangelist. Now, whatever you think of open air preaching, I'm not that guy. Okay. There's a lot of bad guys that do that. My friend Greg Kogel says only two men he knows who does it well, Ray Comfort on the West Coast and me on the East Coast.

But when I get up and I'll say, I'll ask, how many religions do you think there are in the world? And people will shout out numbers, 700, 1 ,000, and I'll say two. There's the religion, there's divine religion and man-made religion.

And everything fits into those. And so the question is, can we objectively look at man-made religion and divine religion and know which is which? And I think there is an objective way to look at it. One thing that we have is, and a core thing is that Christianity is not a system of morality.

You look at any man-made religion, it's a moral system. It's a works-based system. You can have Mormonism without Joseph Smith. You can have Buddhism without Buddha. You can have Islam without Muhammad.

All those are just the teachings. But you cannot have Christianity without Christ. See, Christianity is unique to Christ, the person, because, and this gets to the second point, is that he's fully God, fully man.

Being truly God and truly man, that's unlike any religion. Why does that then become so important? It becomes so important because in Christianity is the only religion where you have a God who can be just and merciful.

So you think of Islam, they'll say, Allah most merciful. Well, he is in their view, but is he just? You see, what they'll say is that you don't know whether he's going to forgive you. You just have to trust in his mercy.

But see, justice and mercy are mutually exclusive. If the law said, Eric, that if you slap me, that I am to slap you back. Well, I have a choice. I can slap you, that's justice. I cannot slap you, that's mercy.

But if I slap you lightly, it's neither. Right? I'm not giving justice and I'm not giving mercy. So when we look at Christianity, because Jesus is fully God, he can pay the full consequence of sin because he is an eternal being.

By his nature being eternal, he can pay the eternal fine because he's eternal. Right? So that's why this is essential to being based on Christ, not a moral system. So because of that, not only can he pay that eternal fine, being fully man, he can be a substitute for other people.

And so that's what makes him unique, which makes Christianity unique. Now, when he died on that cross, the full punishment of sin was put upon him and paid for. Now, because it's paid, he can offer mercy.

Only within Christianity do you have a God that can offer both justice and mercy. So you have the fact that it's based on this particular person, Jesus Christ, being fully God, fully man. You have a God that is just and merciful.

And you have, it is the only religion that is based on divine work and not human work. Okay. And one of the things I always explain to people is you think about human nature. What do we do? We praise ourselves.

Right? If a king goes to war and he loses, he loses the war. What is he going to write about in the annals? He's going to talk about all the battles he won. He doesn't talk about the war he lost. He talks about everything he won.

So it's very simple. We could objectively look at every religion and just say, does this praise man? Is it faith plus works as Catholicism would teach? Is it one good deed counts for ten bad deeds as Islam would teach?

Or is it by doing Torah, doing the law like modern Judaism would teach, rabbinic Judaism? All those have an element where, yes, even within Christianity, you hear some people say, well, God did all he could.

He did 99. That last 1 is up to you. What the Bible says is no percent is up to us. It's 100 to God. He does it all. He did it at the cross. We can't add anything. Anytime we add human effort, we have a man-made religion.

So now all I got to do is look at every religion and go, which one has human effort added to it? Whether it's faith plus works or anything. When we add something to it, it's us. And so when you realize every man-made religion, every religion other than Christianity is based on works.

Christianity is the only religion that says God did it all at the cross.

That is powerful. And that makes it very clear and objective. So when you're listening to something, you can go, okay, is it God or is it me doing something to earn God's favor? Yeah. Wow. And that's something, too.

Even in our churches, we always want to be listening to making sure that what is being taught is in line with Scripture. And that's a good way for us, even in our churches, to make sure that, especially if we're looking for a church, if we're moving, whatever we're doing, that's a good baseline so that we make sure we're hearing that.

Yeah. Unfortunately, churches today, people are moving and looking for a new church. It's getting harder and harder to find good churches. So many of the churches want to go the way of the world.

It is. It is. Is there, and I know this is a slight tangent, if people are out there looking, I know because we seem to be in transit or we're moving all over, we seem to be moving. What is one thing that if a family is looking like, okay, I need to make sure I'm finding a good church where I'm looking at, or maybe they just realize, hey, maybe I'm at a bad church or a church that's not preaching the gospel.

What's one thing they need to look for?

Finding a Good Church

I think one of the things I generally tell people to look for is expositional preaching. Someone that's going to preach verse by verse through the Bible, because then they're not going to skip the things that they don't want to preach about.

They're going to, hey, this is what we're dealing with. This is the next text. This is what I got to address. I mean, there are passages, as I had this past week or last week where I've said, you know, I really, there are passages I wish weren't in the Bible because they just go against my human nature.

But that's the next verse I got to preach. So that's what I'm preaching. And so expositional preaching, I think, is an important one. A strange thing to think about would be look for a church that actually practices church discipline.

Why that one? Because it says that they hold the purity of the church as important. Now, that could be abused as well. There are some churches that try to control people. They use church discipline to try to control people, and that can lead to a cultic mentality, and that then becomes dangerous.

So you want to find a church that's, if they're practicing church discipline, they're doing it biblically. In other words, they're not looking to be salacious in it, but their goal in it is restoration, not punishment.

Now, I appreciate both of those, and I am in one accord with that, with expositional preaching. But the church discipline is something, too, that we, like you say, I think sometimes it gets a bad rap, so to speak, in terms of because you think discipline, you think bad things.

But ultimately, it is viewing God for who He is, seeing Him in His holiness, and that we are called to be holy. And it's just coming alongside people and saying, okay, how can we make sure that we're going together towards Christ?

So I think those are two, man, those are awesome. I love those. Let me kind of jump back because I have one other question just on religions. Archaeology. You know, we hear a bunch of different things.

How does archaeology help a biblical worldview? How does that strengthen the Bible? And do other world religions have archaeology?

Archaeology, the Bible, and World Religions

Well, yeah, I mean, some of the world religions will have it. Now, if you look at Mormonism, they don't. I mean, a lot of Mormonism is going to be things that supposedly happened here in the Americas.

But an interesting thing with that, my background is computer science. And many years ago, I wrote a program to actually calculate birth rates and death rates based on the Book of Mormon. And I proved that the Book of Mormon is mathematically impossible because in the time of Joseph Smith, the number of people that would die in warfare compared to hundreds of years or really thousands of years prior, they wouldn't have the same kind of numbers because there just weren't as many people to go fight.

And so in order to make up the death rate that Joseph Smith has in the Book of Mormon, you had to have a birth rate that was like 35%, which is like six, seven times the normal birth rate. So you have some mathematical dilemmas there.

Like women have to be giving birth much longer and have lots of twins or triplets or something. Like everyone's got to have triplets to be able to do this. You know, it just doesn't work. Now, when we see, you'll see some other, like Islam is based in where you can look at history.

It is kind of interesting, though, when you look at things within the scriptures, when we look at the Bible, there are some things that they didn't had no archaeological evidence for for many years. In fact, in Daniel, when Daniel, when the Medo-Persians took over, there's a reference to a king, and they didn't have any reference to this king other than the Bible for hundreds of years.

And then all of a sudden, oh, look, there's a reference to him. And so that does help. I like what James Boyce once said many, many years ago, is that as we look at the archaeology and we study it, if we were to take a line and put chalk marks every time something supports the Bible and then erase anything that doesn't support the Bible, what we would see with archaeology is that all we're doing is filling in that line.

We're never erasing anything when it comes to the Bible. You can't always do that with something like Mormonism is kind of the easy target because they have so much that they say they have. They claim they have it all locked away.

But if it's going to prove what many of us say never happened, then show us this evidence. It's always, oh, no, it's only for their people. It's only people that already believe in it that can see this evidence.

Well, that's kind of like confirmation bias. I already believe this, so therefore I'm going to be believing that when I see it, that's it. There's not the historical evidence for things that we would see in the Book of Mormon.

So archaeology can be helpful, but I wouldn't use archaeology to say, hey, this proves Christianity is right. Now, there is a difference there. To a Christian, I would say, hey, look, this helps us. This is one of many things in apologetics that helps us support the Bible to know this is accurate.

To an unbeliever, I wouldn't use it only because what ends up happening is now you're arguing over evidence with them, and what you're trying to do is convince them. Look, we got more evidence on our side.

But then when they get someone who goes, well, hey, look, they just discovered something here. You don't have that. Therefore, this worldview is right. My starting point is I have two presuppositions I start with.

God exists. He has spoken. And so my starting point is they know God exists, and he's given us his word as the only self-revelation that we can have. And therefore, since he can't lie, I'm going to trust that.

I like that. I like that God exists, and he has spoken. I like that. As well as the idea of with believers, archaeological evidence sort of is just a reminder. It just adds to that. It's another layer of I know it's true, and oh, guess what?

This just shows, but it's not. This shows this is some additional evidence, but it's not. I believe it's true because we have the evidence. Correct. So I appreciate that distinction as well. Now, let's just a slight tangent here, striving for eternity.

For those who are not familiar with it, would you tell us a little bit about striving for eternity?

Striving for Eternity as a Discipleship Ministry

Well, it's a discipleship ministry. Therefore, it's not an evangelism ministry. So we're not trying to work our way to heaven. It's the idea, you know, although this isn't original with Jonathan Edwards, but he's the most popular person to have said it.

I actually researched it. I forget the guy who he got it from, but he would talk about having eternity stamped on your eyelids. It's the idea that we get from Colossians 3. It's the idea of having an eternal mindset.

And when we're fixated on eternity and the things that we have in our relationship with God, then the things of this earth, the temporal things, well, they kind of fade away. It's the whole thing of I'm preaching right now on our midweek through the book of 1 Peter.

And the first chapter, what does he do? He wants to talk about suffering. How do you endure suffering? So what does he do? He talks all about the gospel and the future inheritance that we have. And I keep saying, why is he doing this?

Because if our fixation is on when we sit before Christ, as Paul had in Philippians, where he says, you know, I can't choose between life and death. Death is far better because I get to be with Christ.

But hey, it's better for you if I live on earth, right? He wants to be with Christ. And if that's our mentality, we can't wait to be with Christ, then anything we endure on earth, it's just temporal. And it's what we're anticipating.

If we focus on our earthly trials, we're going to have a hard time going through them. But if we're fixated on eternity, then we can get through this. And really, I have years of counseling addicts. I used to work at an addiction recovery center.

And I've always said that people that have an addiction have a better understanding of the Christian life than many Christians who grew up in a Christian home. Because the addict knows what it means to be completely sold out to their drug of choice.

They know what it means to give up everything. I counseled a man who had a $12 million company. And he lost that company. He lost his wife, lost his kids, all for cocaine. He gave up everything. He had everything the world had to offer.

And I remember saying, but you understand, as he became a Christian, I said, but now you understand what it means to be completely sold out for Christ. And so that's what we look to do. We try to train people in discipleship.

We offer materials to churches. Our focus is very different. Most parachurch ministries, they want to go to large churches where there's a lot of people and a lot of money. We get monthly supporters to help us go to small churches because the majority of churches in America have less than 25 people in attendance.

That's the majority. You know who comes to help strengthen those churches? Nobody. And so we go to them. We come in and do weekend seminars to give the training. Then we try to leave behind materials so that people have this, so the pastor can then continue the study.

And hopefully, you know, gird them up so that they would go out, evangelize, and make disciples. And so we do a lot of weekend seminars. We do things from Bible Interpretation Made Easy seminar, evangelism seminars.

We do apologetics. A popular thing we've been doing lately with everything in the news is social justice, dealing with critical racism theory. I didn't say critical race theory. I properly defined it as racism.

But, you know, social justice, all that stuff. We do that. We do a seminar called Snatched from the Flames, which is our discernment seminar. We partner with Justin Peters Ministries and do that together where we focus on, you know, basically looking at how do you have discernment.

So we have a lot of weekend seminars we do. We have our Striving Fraternity Academy that we offer. We offer that free. That's how we make our money. Wait. No, wait. That didn't make sense. Yeah. We offer it for free.

It's on YouTube. And you can take all the courses there. We end up having, you know, the reason we write books is so people have materials like that that they can teach within a Sunday school setting.

That's why we provide those workbooks with them. So all of that we're trying to do is geared toward discipling people. We actually view ourselves as we want to work ourselves out of a job. Our goal is to get churches discipling.