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On this second day of June 2020.

And on this second day of June we have the second time this week to have the privilege of

Having Ron McKinney as our guest.

He was our guest yesterday, and he is back To discuss a different topic.

He is pastor of Kinsey Drive Baptist Church in Dalton, Georgia

and today we are going to be discussing what it means to be in Christ and

it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for the second time this week the iron sharpens iron radio

pastor Ron McKinney.

Thank you very much Chris.

Our today is about most.

I have been in pastoral ministry

five years.

You've probably that mean right now.

Also, I Said does that mean right now, too?

Someone who claims to be in Christ and yet whose life does not Back

up that claim and

I know whether I am truly converted.

There are people who have little conviction

assurance rather of their salvation and It's not just an academic

question that I'm asking but it's a question that concerns Your

eternal destiny.

Yes, and so I'm interested in and speaking on that today at least.

Or

not at

all, I want salvation

rooted and grounded in the person of Jesus Christ

your only Savior.

Do believers that

Micah, you know the God nation he

says in chapter.

How did he know that and In that particular passage, he gives his reasons

for knowing that the foot that they were chosen.

I love to read that because it is one of the thrilling times.

I think

they

I don't

wake up in the morning.

Morning, I'm going to really please

God and I'm going to

morning and I thank him that

he's all ready.

And called me to be one of his one of his

own rest in him

throughout the day.

Knowing that I'm in

Christ

by my will.

I know that I'm

kept on to him

and then I am kept by him and that I persevere

Roy me.

That experience

that you read

there in elect because come to them.

Let

me make a state

true about conversion if it went out there.

I just

don't with that

too.

I mean after I believe I was converted when I was very young.

Okay, but I

don't make that as the basis of my

assurance

about what people I've read.

On a truth that stated if

any man be in Christ He is a new.

I'd like to translate it.

He's a new creation.

Now I want to emphasize it for us this day

any man.

And that is a universe.

I love this of the gospel.

I've had opportunities to preach over the past in very

strangest places.

I guess you could ever imagine I've been in 17 I've

had opportunity there to preach

and I've been

British.

These are places that I've been able to go and to preach the gospel and it's been the same

gospel and the privilege is

men to trust and Believe in the person

on there be.

I desire for them to see Jesus in all of his beauty in a

raid and all of his all that he

is the God and Stay

wretched.

True

conversion comes.

Faithful witnesses present the gospel.

Not in their power, but in the house of

the changed lives.

Read the gospel to others.

The truth conversion comes through faithful witnesses.

Listen to a gospel did not come

conviction.

Just as you know, what kind of men we prove to be among you for

there gives the Reason that Paul knew that these people have been

chosen and therefore they were chosen and they were

converted.

The boss the gospel had come to them not as a lecture of

the Holy

Integrity and who were fully convinced of.

The truth of the message should I tell you it was a powerful

thing preach.

The gospel that that men are converted by virtues in

the light.

I think that's that way says this gospel is hid.

It's hid from the blind Pardoned

they cannot see they cannot understand the truth of the gospel.

If it's it's hit to those that are when I when I think about that,

I think what an amazing thing to be lost.

What an amazing thing to be lost.

Spiritually, I know people don't think people wander around

it's for life.

I'm even thinking about the fact that right now.

There are riots that are going on they're putting

all kinds of things.

They're breaking glass.

They're breaking buildings burning car.

All of this is

that they don't have anything that they are

satisfied with.

They're looking for something in this world.

They're looking for a utopia, which is never going to come.

They're looking for something that is not of this world.

I.

Can't help but have a feeling of

all of this gimmick that

this have a fear of what's going to happen and Who knows

what will happen?

I?

Tell them that there is only one hope and I know that sounds cliche to some but

my I tell you that I do

in the person of Jesus in order to have

True conversion if any man

that word

is

things in the gospel

or more.

And it's talking about the fact to be in him.

Is to be in union with him.

How different that is from what we see most of the time?

When people many times will hurt it at least they say they're

converted and they may have experience.

No, not sure exactly what it was but had some kind of

experience and then thought that by that that they were Converted and that they were

maybe a little later.

They did pardon to

this.

What was the problem?

Why didn't they as the Bible teaches us

to have a lot

of he's not running a Sprint he's running the marathon.

They're going to be times he's going to be knocked down.

The times even may even turn from the faith or time

God is able and all them back if they're truly one of

his.

But what I'm saying is some people rest upon that

conversion experience Bible and they showed

me a date and they said it was on this date that I was Saved and that God saved me

now.

They may have no interest in the things of God and they may not even attend

church or even yet.

They have a sometimes we

today or I'm talking about

in

terms

of coming.

Forward.

Just because you do that outwardly doesn't necessarily mean that you've

had I mean by that.

Well, I'm talking about the fact in a meeting

and I I've wrestled with this.

Way back.

Movement in which we gave what was Paul right?

You are in assemblies of God pastor as was your father.

I was.

I was.

I was in a large church in Memphis

and one of the practice most of the time.

That was a council with him and talked with it

but many times change and

I remember I a way

back and I had what we used to call the

Burden

by campus and we

were going to read this and it had four

different things that were stated.

And if they said yes,

and then we would say now you believe in Christ,

isn't it?

Wonderful.

Now, you're going to have it.

Everything's fine.

Long after that that that was not.

That was not salvation.

Then it was treating prayer like a magical spell.

Oh.

Yes, it was.

It was some of the things that

brought me in.

It wasn't that they heard the word and it came to them in the power of the Holy Spirit with

full conviction.

As it did with the Thessalonians.

It was word only.

It was just word only.

And feet.

That was a deception.

So if any man be in Christ that is in Union with him

and if I may I would like to explain what I mean by in union.

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what it means to be in union with Christ.

All right, sir I hope

that very important as far as I'm concerned because I believe

many times this is missed in our modern Evangelism

most of what we see today.

What I've called easy believe is him and that's been around for a while, but it's it's.

Manipulation is what it is.

In other words if we can get them to give me the right answers Then I can

print.

The thing is to be in Christ.

When when I when I talk about I know someone.

I'm trying to think of somebody I could it could use but I if even if I said what

being about of our state.

And I I've met him.

I had the occasion to meet him when he was in Dallas.

But I don't know him very well.

I Know him, but I don't know him.

I've read about him, but I don't know it.

But he has a family that really knows him and of course his wife knows

him very well.

So there's a difference between casually knowing someone.

And.

Really knowing them and knowing about them and knowing who they are.

And when it says here that if any man be in Christ.

That he knows him that he knows him intimately

closely in a way that it's not just superficial.

Not just on the outside.

But nothing with the

reality

about him.

And then later on he talks about.

He was knocked off of his pony.

He was in the dust there and God spoke to him in an audible voice.

And the Bible says that there he had it was revealed to him in the face of Jesus

the knowledge of God.

It was revealed to him and that's what happens in true conversion.

Blind eyes our deaf ears and our hard hearts.

That he's a separate

place.

He died as a rat that he loved before the

foundation.

Hallelujah.

Of the gospel.

I want to.

I want to read something for you Chris.

I think this is going to thrill you.

I didn't ask permission, but I'm going to because I think he would allow me to.

I know this individual.

China and

I got.

I got a letter from him immediately.

Wow.

Listening to the broadcast you did on iron sharpens iron.

That I saw raising God for how he works through

faithfulness is God and your life and love for the word

affected my family in many ways.

I Don't know much about the history of my grandparents and their daughter,

but I know that you served God faithfully and Loved his work in the past

year.

I have experienced.

Listen to this true Regeneration.

God has called me to repentance and has guided me to

Preaching from John MacArthur to God used to lead

me out of spiritual.

I'm working through a work on biblical doctrine and have begun to study Greek.

My wife and I are going to be baptized soon Waiting for the Corbett

restrictions to in

Germany after my time in the middle military.

My wife and I are considering attending seminary.

But ultimately we just want to serve our Lord where we are very wary

With every ounce of us and placing you on my heart

the last few months.

So I just wanted to reach out and say

I got that and I wept.

I Know the young man. I know his family.

But all I prayed for him that God would hover over him and keep him by

his grace.

Then he had but now I see that God has brought him to a

true conversion he.

I.

Let me out of spiritual blindness.

That's what true conversion is.

It's when the gospel becomes real to it.

Give you Jerry Bridges that has gone on to be with the Lord.

Servant he was.

Yes.

I had the privilege of interviewing him at least two times.

Oh.

My I'm sure that was wonderful.

He was prepped and he was very consistent for the most

part and I just loved it.

I just love his writings.

I give his books away.

I mean by the dozens every time somebody I know has a.

Loved one who dies.

I Give them a copy of trusting God even when life hurts.

Oh.

Yes, that book has done wonders.

You know, I with my daughter with a leukemia.

Can't ruin that

that only to me but to my daughter and to my

wife and my children and the People of the church here.

I mean, it's been used

but here's what he said.

This is in his book the gospel for I've never thought about the wonderful truth that

cross in your place.

As it yet grip when God

looks at you today.

You.

Obedient and that what he says This is my

son whom I love with him I am.

Well, please Include you in that warm embrace

the extent to which we truly understand this is the extent to which we

those unsearchable Christ

Jesus.

Amen.

Oh my brother.

I love that I can wrap myself in that and just just Think upon it

that I am in Christ.

He is mine.

I am his.

He is my salvation He is my justification He's my

sanctification He is my all -in -all

Jesus and he and I am his.

Oh, what a wonderful thing to know.

Amen, and we have to go to our first break right now.

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We are now back with Ron McKinney pastor of the Kinsey Drive

Baptist Church in Dalton, Georgia and by the way folks you might want to look up You

I'm telling our listeners they should after this show is over look up our

previous interviews.

One that might fascinate them in particular is Your

testimony of how your entire family left the Assemblies of God and Pentecostal

ism When you discovered the doctrines of sovereign grace, and by the way, I

don't I don't mean that as a slam Against the Assemblies of God or Pentecostal.

You know, in fact one of the largest financial supporters of this program Dan

Buttafuoco Attorney -at -law, although he has become a Calvinist.

He was until not long ago an elder at an Assemblies of God where he was an

elder for decades and He's still a member.

He's still a member of that Assemblies of God Church.

But I love the doctrines of grace.

So does my guest and we're not going to be shy about Believing that this is a glorious

monumental event when someone Becomes to believe these things and in fact

Ron's dad who is now in glory with Christ Don McKinney he didn't have any choice as

to whether or not He could stay in the Assemblies of God.

He was he was excommunicated When he became a Calvinist that is.

You know,

he still had this time.

He died at him.

He treated them kindly Anyway.

But he would write I'm talking about hundreds of letters to former

preacher for help him about the grace of God.

And he was so earnest about Wanting them to know Something of the

fullness of the gospel

talk about it

Amen.

It is Marvelous when you you see it and God opens your eyes.

I know that to be true.

God must do it.

I had a deer miles away,

but I had left the

Denomination and I'd come to and what we

spent the entire day with me.

And he just he wanted to know what I believed and I poured out my heart to him and I told

him of all the wonderful things

and for and you know that God calls

us out of that and At the end of the day before he left to go home and drive for he

said to me Ron He says I don't understand

it and I don't believe that but I know you do and I respect that and

He said I want us to continue to be friends that we would

believe he was in Christ, but he had a very

Friendship, but not everybody was that

charitable right

something about my dad in such ways.

Many of them thought that he'd left the gospel all together when he really found the gospel.

In fact, I had a friend I may have mentioned this to you.

He's also in glory with Christ right now.

His name Was Al Stein?

He was pastor of the Neighborhood Assembly of God in Belmore Long Island for many years

and he was so highly thought of that he actually became a bishop on

Long Island an overseer of other churches and he Became a

full -fledged Calvinist.

And when he had to sign an Agreement every year because they

forced pastors to sign something that says that they do not

believe in eternal security and.

So what what Al did.

Was He put in there.

I believe in evidential security meaning that if you're truly Secure in Christ,

you will give evidence of being saved.

And they they were satisfied with that year after year and they did not.

They did not kick him out of the denomination or.

As far as I know dad was probably

the next year in their Sunday

Calvinism the entire literature of Sunday school for the entire

denomination and Dad was someone that was well

nomination for a long time from early days.

He was one of those that feed the light which was the missionary program

of the denomination.

And you know the large council that they had and he was

believed and he

would he would let them know.

I just I'm not it and

one of my friends the other day and he's a dear brother.

What I see

and.

That's first and foremost.

Well, what I'm going to do since we have to go to our midway break Very soon.

I'm forwarding you An email that we just got from Cork, Ireland

from a listener.

And I forwarded to you so you could look it over during the prolonged Midway break.

All right, and I'm gonna read the question right now So our listeners can hear it and you can answer it

when we come back.

The question the question is from Mary and Cork, Ireland.

She says hi Chris and pastor McKinney.

Personally, I found it very helpful to understand what it means to be in Adam under guilt and

condemnation and sin.

Being imputed to us I could then better appreciate the jewel of our salvation with all

its multifacets like reconciliation forgiveness of sins justification

righteousness adoption sanctification inheritance Glorification etc.

And what it means to be in Christ.

I Understand what Jenner I understand what regeneration means, but could you please explain to me

again?

What conversion means as some people say they changed and converted to

Christianity.

Is This like an Arminian is this an Arminian view or not?

Thank you so much, Mary in Cork, Ireland, and we'll have you answer that when we come back and

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If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours is Ron

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I forwarded you Mary from Cork Ireland's Question and I will read that I will read

that again for the sake of our listeners.

Okay, great.

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Question.

Yeah, what I want to read.

I want to read it again just so.

Our list.

Okay, I've got it.

Okay, and she Mary and Cork Ireland says.

Personally, I found it very helpful to understand what it means to be in Adam.

Under guilt and condemnation and sin being imputed to us.

I could then better appreciate the jewel of our salvation with all its

multifacets like Reconciliation forgiveness of sins justification righteousness

adoption sanctification inheritance Glorification, etc.

And what it means to be in Christ.

I understand what regeneration means, but could you please explain to me again what?

Conversion means as some people say they changed and converted to Christianity.

Is this an Arminian view or not?

Thank you so much.

And wow, I think that Mary has a career in writing a head of her.

She really very eloquent eloquent eloquently.

Wrote that but if you could.

She began with what I would want to begin with and that is there

are three in the Bible.

Three in the credit

and what we know is that we are in Adam.

Because of that sin

of Adam has sinners.

We're sinners by Imputation, but we're sinners by our own or

sinners because of what Adam puted

to.

Christ came.

He died Paying the penalty.

Sins Were imputed to Christ.

They were credited to.

Oh, he had committed them.

He was without sin.

He had no sin, but our sin was laid upon him was imputed

to him.

And he died in our place to pay the sin debt for

his people.

But then there's another thing that happened a glorious thing and that is

That Jesus has imputed to us

Holiness Imputed

to us the righteousness of Christ as I read

earlier in that quote from Jerry Bridges.

That he sees not us.

He sees not our sin.

He sees Christ and his righteousness in us now.

That's something that she understands.

Because she said here all of these Multiple things that meant

most along with all of this justification righteousness

adoption sanctification inheritance glorification what we have

all of these things the Union

the question

sheet.

Regeneration.

And Regeneration.

Regeneration is

regeneration is the work of the hunt

you have he Quickened the

regeneration is when God gives

quickening and one becomes alive then.

One.

Believes and Repent version is that we

believe and we continuation of

believing.

Converted to Christianity is that it are many of you could

easily say God regenerates us.

He gives to us spiritual and then there

is the leaf in him.

And remember It's not just it's not accepting Jesus.

We don't that's not what needs to be done.

Not accepting it is Believing trusting

that's laying everything upon Christ.

It is it's it's all that we have is that Christ is.

We're not Accepting it we're believing

in podium all of those words then what

happens.

Change.

Now how much does it change?

Well our?

Sanctification grows sanctified in Christ

but also we have a personal sanctification there in which we grow and That

is one of the things that God is working in us to do and to do his

for carrying that out of this life.

I don't call and easily say that we're

changed by the grace of God.

There's true conversion.

There's regeneration first.

There's believing and trusting and then there is the chase

Repenting moving towards

the day when

we otherwise it would be blasphemous say like we

would be like our Lord.

We will be like that to him.

Does that help you?

Amen?

Well, um, perhaps if Mary wants to send a clarifying email She could let you know if that help

they'll.

I think that's an excellent answer to her excellent question.

And of course Armenians do believe in conversion, but they're not

exclusively the ones who believe in conversion so.

So one of the main differences I'm assuming from what you said is that regeneration

enables Men and women to convert.

Otherwise, they they would have no desire to.

Sometimes depending upon where you live Conversion where those who know you

and witness you they are seeing you abandoning a

former religion a former way of life.

And In some areas of the world, especially when it comes to religion that could have you

executed.

Yeah, I mean very serious consequences especially in Muslim lands.

So we would never convert if we enjoyed Being in whatever state we were in

or whatever religion we were in unless we were first regenerate.

I'm glad to tell you

that's

that great.

Hope our great hope.

Yes, amen.

Well, I I had a quote I was gonna what we were

talking about.

Sure good.

Throughout the history of the church Some believers have begun well.

But later have been pulled away from the truth.

They see the gospel

and live for the Lord in but then fall

of legalism and works.

Righteousness that promises some

fall into formalism

and right

Reality.

Others fall doing or not doing

acting believers salvation.

But they freedom of it and it returned

to be and bond

right

with God positionally

righteous a form

of religion

fullness of life in Christ.

They once in

faith waited to live

out their great

Salvary, I

think it was

something that gave some

have come and they have made some professions

some profession evidence.

Difficulty is

that people

can

legal is

formalism,

right?

Dreams that be one is that they can go to a more legalistic

in other words I've got to do this and I've got to do that and the other is

kind of keep all I want

for.

In.

1980 and there

was there

were

those that were Contending that it

was the truth

tell their 1980

Denominate

one

was

the covenant theology primarily of

press and the

other would

be coming together and there is going to be

Discussion the grace of

between the subject and

law.

This is a very

important

I when I talk about I want to make the

distinction big understand this and They

don't see this but I

will covenant.

We do know there's a no and what is the old covenant?

Oh covenant is not the Old Testament.

No, the Old Covenant law

came down from Mount Sinai to the people of Israel

they've made a golden cash it send against God, but

he made a covenant with them and The covenant was that they would keep

this covenant and They said they will they said that they would keep

that covenant which said they would

and So there was a covenant that was made with

now when we come to Christ coming, of course everything that we

have every type

every

shot another

New covenant that he's made with him and that he will be Their

God he talks about this new covenant that will come

and then we have when Christ on the day upper room

and They were and Jesus take

this is the blood of the

new covenant Which I give us

as a token

of by Jeremiah Also given

to it speaking of this new covenant that will come

Come that

spoke

Christ is that

profit

as we know

what

to open

for believers that are in Christ

priesthood of all believers.

We're able to go into the and what

amazing thing took place that there was a new Not

like the old one

and of course Hebrews to

weigh

Christ Jesus and now we have a new Lawgiver.

He's not only a king

Increased our new high priest.

He's our prophet.

But here he

is people

a new law that is

Christ being the one way

one

administration, but it's that now

in Christ a new

law of one another

of one another but he says The love of one another even

have loved the

motivation now.

It's not a legalistic Motivation.

Our desire is to please

cry to emulate

him at all when you give.

You don't just give because it's a legalistic thing.

No, he says for you No, the

grace

of our scene of

the

new

P is our

heavenly nation

that

Christ

Jesus Wanting to please him and we

have to go.

Brother and we have to go to our final break and by the way folks What our

brother was discussing here is a matter of debate sometimes

very friendly and loving debate amongst Calvinists and sometimes

unfortunately, and I don't think it ever should be it can become a hostile debate but

this is a divide between Confessional Reform Baptists and Covenant

Theology Baptists and New Covenant Theology Baptists and some some New Covenant Theology

Baptists would adhere to the first one in confession.

But not all but I just wanted to let you know to be so you're aware that there is a division

Amongst Sovereign Grace believers.

In fact, my church would be a Covenant Theology Baptist congregation as

as our guest knows because he is preached there when Walt Chantry was the pastor.

But we have to go to our final break.

And by the way, Ron, I I emailed you another very long email

this one is from Andrew and Dalton, Georgia so that you could read it during the break and We'll be

right back with your answer to that question.

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Welcome back and our listener Andrew in Dalton.

George's question is Hi brothers, Chris and Ron.

Great show.

In Romans chapter 12 verse 5 the scriptures says

so we who are many are one body in Christ and Individually members of one

another.

Is it not true then that the functional racism so prevalent in the church today

Is completely unbiblical and should be despised and eradicated Since we

are united brethren from every tribe tongue and language.

That's Andrew's first question and Ron if you could answer I.

Just simply

say having a

white

shirt

and one of them.

These were men that I appreciated and I wish that we would have

to my community

race

one.

Personal church, but in the New Testament Most of the teaching has to do with the

local church.

Now, I'm sure you would agree though when you mentioned Korean Church that there's absolutely nothing

wrong with because of a language barrier if a church Wishes to reach

out to Korean immigrants who predominantly speak their native tongue.

There's nothing wrong with having a worship service exclusively in.

I.

Wouldn't have any problem.

Let me tell you what.

I do know my friend Barbara.

Yes.

I know Baruch.

Pardon me.

I know him and I've interviewed Baruch.

There were people

that were there.

They had.

If what they did was they

languages.

Even the Arabs that would come to that church for dog.

I mean there is.

It's just not the

realism

of and we have

one more

question of.

From.

In fact, I'm gonna ask our listener Andrew, please be patient with us, but allow us to have

you ask that question of Ron when we have him back on the show because we have

two people Waiting to have their questions asked that I will not be able to get to if we read your question.

So we'll keep this on file we have we have Bobby

in in.

Where is that.

I was just looking at it.

Hartsdale, New York.

Bobby in Hartsdale, New York.

He says I have heard Jewish believers say that when we discuss

conversion to Jews while evangelizing them We should only use that term

regarding Gentiles who come to Christ never to Jews who are to be Described as

completed not converted.

Do you agree with this?

Well before you speak Ron, I don't know how people could have that Belief when

it's very clear in the Gospel of Matthew.

In fact, it's specifically in chapter 18 verse 3

Where Jesus Christ himself speaking to a predominantly Jewish audience? Says truly I say to you

unless you are converted and become like children. You will not enter the kingdom of God.

So I disagree with that rhetoric.

Do you want to comment on that?

All

right.

I

rabbinical

Judaism is not.

Old covenant Jewish religion and even if even if it were even if it were they would still have to

convert from that.

But but it's not even a Biblical religion may it contains elements of of

course of old covenant Israel's belief.

But well, thank you very much, Bobby.

We have Mary again from Cork Ireland.

Who says is is this correct as Sometimes we put the cart

before the horse.

So to speak I think people generally use the phrase believe in God when in

actual fact All they probably mean is that they just acknowledge things about

him.

So with that in mind, it is easier to understand that we are firstly

regenerated by the Holy Spirit and become born again, which is solely his work

before we actually believe as Believing is obviously acknowledging Christ and his

cross work, etc and then trusting in him as our Savior and

Continuing to repent.

So I'm guessing that Mary is just asking if you agree with this.

I do agree.

Do you have an order?

Well, we are out of there.

We are out of time and I'm going to definitely have Ron back and as long as he is willing.

Thank you, brother.

And the the website for Kinsey Drive Baptist Church is Kinsey Drive Baptist Church comm and

Kinsey is spelt K -i -n -s -e -y Kinsey Drive Baptist Church comm and I want

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Amen.