December 14, 2023 Show with Jenn Nizza on “From Psychic to Saved”

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It's been a long time since I've had my guest today on the program,

and I'm so thrilled that she has returned for another interview.

Her name is Jennifer Nezza.

She is a former occult practitioner and psychic medium who was delivered out of

the darkness and into the light and saving arms of her sovereign Lord, God, Savior, and King, Christ

Jesus, who will be addressing the theme of her book, From Psychic to Saved.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jennifer Nezza.

Hey, Chris.

Thank you so much for inviting me back.

It's always a pleasure to be with you.

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Well, Jennifer, we have a tradition on this program

when our first -time guests give a summary of their salvation testimony.

Even though you've already been on the show, it's been such a long time since you've been.

On.

In fact, you haven't been on since we were originally airing out

of WNYG radio in Babylon, Long Island.

So you have not been on since we relaunched the show in Pennsylvania.

I would love for you to give us a summary of your salvation testimony, which

would include any kind of religious atmosphere in which you were raised, if any,

and what kind of sovereign or providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised

up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

Sure.

It'd be my pleasure to share that with you guys.

I was raised, actually, culturally Catholic.

And what I mean by that is the holidays were mainly about

the food over here on Long Island, New York.

We would go to Queens, nanny and pop -ups, and we would have all the

wonderful Italian.

Feasts.

And outside of that, there was not any participation in church.

I didn't know Jesus.

I didn't even understand the quote -unquote sacraments.

That were kind of just like going through the motions.

Did you go to a Catholic school?

I went to—no, I didn't go to a—I was in public school, but I went to a catechism,

you know, religion class.

Yeah, yeah.

I went to religious instruction and went through all the preparation to do penance,

communion, and confirmation.

I had no idea what any of those things meant.

When I was doing them, I was just doing them.

And the interesting thing is that at home, we were talking about

the paranormal, talking about supernatural experiences, even in my own home.

I always say, Chris, we don't throw mom under the bus, but mom was in the

environment with a psychic.

Her aunt was a psychic, and into a lot of those—which I would say is probably like

Reiki—she believed she was healing people and things of that nature.

So mom grew up around it.

Mom went to Catholic school.

She grew up around this.

And so in our home, we were talking about this stuff, you know, as if it

was just regular stuff to talk about, you know, activity in the home, the lights going on and off,

who had the Ouija board, you know, story, this, that, and the other.

And I ended up getting my first tarot card reading when I was 13.

Mom was a hairdresser, and this beauty supply that she would go to, the woman, a woman who worked there,

she read tarot.

And you know, a very big thing in the new age, or if you're a reader, would be to do group

readings and you go to do parties and things of that nature.

And of course, it's not entertainment at all.

And mom had her come over.

My mom had a little beauty parlor in the house and she had her come over.

And this woman was doing readings in my home, and we were allowed to participate,

my sister and I.

There were short readings, like little 15 minute private readings, which is par for the course, honestly, because then

you hand out the business card because, you know, the enemy will get you on the hook there and you want to sign

up for more.

And I had that first reading and I was so intrigued by it.

I, I couldn't understand what was happening.

How was she reporting information to me that was accurate, things that had already happened?

So I wanted more.

I was that person.

I wanted more of it.

And that was when I started to pursue it.

My sister and I actually both started to pursue it.

I think she got her first deck of tarot before I did.

And we started doing readings in our teens.

We would we were doing readings.

We were doing readings daily.

And that it just doesn't stop there.

We were that we were getting readings.

You know, once we had I always had like these little jobs, had my own money, would call and make appointments and get

readings.

And it escalated from tarot to

astrology, numerology, playing cards.

All that is a technical term is cartomancy.

We're using cards for insight or supernatural information to receive it.

Psychics, clairvoyance, psychic mediums, all these readings, all the books and my sister, too.

We both we both were very intrigued by it.

And, you know, even my my family, we started doing group readings with some psychic

mediums throughout the years.

So I really went down the rabbit hole of destruction.

And as I was doing all of this, I was receiving a lot of

information, quote unquote messages, if you will, kind of call it like being downloaded

right into your own mind.

But it's not your thoughts, information about perfect strangers.

And so I started reading friends, not only family.

And as it went on for me, I I hate to say this, but went up

to the next step of actually becoming a psychic medium.

And the reason why is because the more you go down that road, the

more oppressed you're going to be.

And I certainly was meaning I you know, demons were manifesting and I was getting a

lot of information.

And then I started getting information about people that were deceased.

And I truly believed I was speaking to deceased people, getting information from deceased people.

And I was told by the New Age community that I had a gift, a gift from God, in fact.

And it was my responsibility to use that gift to help other people that were grieving, that wanted to

connect with their loved ones.

And I went to this divination group or class, if you will, because there's nothing new under the sun, Chris.

These things are still going on today.

There are spiritual centers all over the place and they offer these classes, you know,

whether it's tarot, divination, whatever.

I was in a group of people that were doing all different kinds of divination, crystal

readings or chakras.

And of course, there I was the psychic medium.

And I came out of there with almost with business cards in my hand.

And I know that sounds I mean, it is terrible, but I was taught that

I was using energy and there had to be an exchange of energy because, of course, everything in the New Age is about, you

know, energy and raising your vibration and frequency and everything.

So the person needed to pay you for the reading.

It didn't have to be a lot of money, but they needed to pay you.

It was an exchange of energy.

And so I come out with the business cards and and that was it.

I kept going.

I kept going, doing readings.

I was doing group readings.

And at this time, parallel to this,

you know, I would have happy moments in my life, but there was so much destruction, too.

There was so much destruction.

There was this oppression.

Like I said, there was fear.

I always felt these entities around me, but I didn't know that they were demons.

I had false tools of protection that, again, in that New Age group, we were taught,

you know, hey, if you burn enough white sage around yourself, you can protect yourself.

Notice how it always goes back to you with all this power, by the way.

And you can imagine white light around yourself and that would help to protect you

from evil spirits.

I wasn't like some of the New Agers where I didn't believe that there was something bad lurking around.

I knew that there was something bad because I could tell.

And I saw ugly, bad, terrifying things.

But like I said, I wouldn't have called them demons.

I didn't know what to call them.

I didn't know Jesus.

I knew the New Age Jesus, the one who is very subjective and lets you do whatever you want,

basically.

And I really cared about these people, Chris.

I really wanted to help people.

And that's how I always say the enemy was preying on something that is so beautiful about the love and

compassion that that I had in my own life, in my own heart.

And I really, truly wanted to help others.

And of course, I wasn't because there is no help, really, when you go to the dark side, when you're going to

the occult, when you're going to divination, there is no true help.

Even though you may think that that's deception and it's temporary and it's false, just like the tools of protection I was using.

And I went on and I actually ended up leading my own divination class

classes, I should say.

I taught law of attraction, which is manifesting.

I taught chakra balancing with pendulums.

I was counseling, quote unquote, even teenagers who were

having demonic experiences.

I even had a woman hire me once, which is it's so heartbreaking looking back

on this.

Her son was dying of cancer.

He was 17 and he was afraid.

Oh, boy, I get emotional when I talk about this.

He was afraid to die.

And they hired me, the psychic medium, and it kills me because,

boy, if only I knew the gospel, right, that that would have been the message that boy needed to hear,

not from a psychic medium.

So I was full on.

But like I said, at the same time, I also was extremely oppressed.

And all of this led up to the end of my 36th year, started when I was 12,

because it started right before that tarot card reading.

But at the end of my 36th year, I came to a moment of near destruction,

such horrific demonic oppression.

And I know now that the Holy Spirit was drawing me because I just cried out on the name of Jesus.

And I had such a peace come over me, just such an overwhelming peace.

I had not heard the gospel, though I didn't know I was a sinner that needed to be saved.

I just had this experience.

So I was very what I call spiritually vulnerable after that.

The enemy didn't want to loosen his grip.

I ended up getting into some, you know, some books that were massive false teaching,

Betty Edie embracing the light, you know, her NDE.

And meanwhile, she also subscribes to reincarnation and doctrines of demons of the like.

And but I had no way of knowing that I did stop doing psychic readings for a little while.

So again, I go back to saying the Holy Spirit was certainly present convicting me.

I just didn't know who he who he is.

I didn't know why I didn't want to do readings anymore, but I didn't.

A low and behold, some months later, I went back to what I knew.

I went back to doing the readings.

And this so from the moment that I cried out to Jesus to now fast forward 10

months later back doing readings.

I had a friend come over for dinner and she was a friend I met in the new age in

divination group.

I used to read her family, her friends.

In between the last time I had seen her, she actually ended up getting saved.

And I had no idea about this.

So she comes for dinner and we're just talking casually.

She starts talking about Jesus and church here on Long Island that she started attending.

And she invited me to go to this church and I said, no,

I completely declined her invitation.

And that was pretty interesting looking back.

But a month later.

I woke up on a Sunday morning and I had this strong urge to go to church, to go to that

church that day, I just knew I wanted to go and I did.

And I went to this church and this church was not a Catholic church.

It was a Bible based church, non -denominational.

Yeah.

And something I was not used to at all, it was, you know, people were standing, they were

worshiping, their arms are up in the air.

I'm like, what are these people doing?

And the words are on the screens.

And it was all very beautiful, a little overwhelming.

And they start singing, Jesus save me.

And I'm singing with the group.

And once I started singing that lyric, I flashed back immediately to the moment I

cried out to Jesus Christ 10 months prior.

And it was like that confirmation.

It's me, Jen.

That was me.

You know, I'm Jesus.

I love you.

I saved you physically and eternally.

And I was so overwhelmed with joy.

I truly and fully believed in Jesus Christ that moment.

I was crying and I heard the gospel being preached.

I was under the preaching of the word.

I recognized that I am a sinner that needed to be saved, that there was nothing I could do on my own.

There was nothing at all I could do.

There were no works that were going to get me to heaven.

Heaven is a real place.

God is real.

It's not the subjective thing that's made up in the new age.

And and here it was.

And I was just this was amazing.

I felt this freedom, this instantaneous freedom in Christ, like a weight had been

lifted off my shoulders.

And I go home and probably got a 15 minute ride.

Go home from the church.

And the first thing I did was Google search.

Yes, I Googled.

I did not have a Bible on hand.

I should mention I never cared about reading the Bible, never looked to read the Bible.

I didn't debunk the Bible.

I didn't care if you read it, but I had no interest in it.

So I didn't have a Bible available.

But so I Google searched, what does the Bible say about psychic mediums?

And honestly, this wasn't something I was, you know, that I went into this deep, you know,

contemplated, you know, mindset about in the 15 minute ride home.

I really believe the Holy Spirit led me there because how on earth was I going to continue to be a

psychic and a follower of Christ was never going to happen.

And I looked up these verses and I said, oh, my heavens, you know, God is God

is so clear about this.

God says Deuteronomy 18, 10 to 12.

He lists medium spiritists don't interpret omens,

don't see fortune tellers.

The people there were doing that.

Moses was leading them into the promised land.

Of course, I didn't understand that then.

But and here are the instructions.

Don't do what they're doing.

Don't do these things.

God finds it to be an abomination and the person who's doing it.

And that's all I knew, Chris.

That day I said, OK, he says not to do it.

He just saved my life.

I'm not going to do it.

So I quit my job.

I made a conscious decision to turn away from what I had been doing after it was revealed to me.

And I made an appointment with the pastor of the senior pastor of the church

for later that week.

And I met with him and spoke with him and told him what I had been doing as a job

and what I had been doing all those years.

And he was so kind to me, spoke truth to me.

And I started attending church.

And that was 10 years ago.

Hallelujah.

And and I'm very, I'm very thrilled to know that now you are a

member of my former church, or should I say the church where I was formerly a member, as my friend Bill

Shishko always gently rebukes me when I use the phrase

my church, he will say, it's not your church, Chris, it's Jesus's church.

But the former church where I was a member, Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York.

And I please extend my warm greetings and love in

Christ to everyone there, especially Pastor Doug, Pastor

Bob.

I have not yet met face to face the new pastor, Daniel Mercado, but I

hope to meet him sometime and interview him.

And I know the pastoral intern there, Brandon Fedricks.

In fact, I knew his mom before he was born.

And his mom used to be a member of a church that my brother attended

and was a member of many years ago, back in the 80s.

And I, of course, know Doug's sons who are deacons there now,

Stephen and Dan.

I knew them since they were little tiny kids.

And Chris, glad Chris Schaaf is a deacon there now.

And I see a couple of men on the deaconate board who I am not familiar with.

But there are a bunch of folks over there that I know and love and remember.

And please extend, as I said, my warm greetings and love in Christ to them.

I will, Chris, I will.

It's a it's a phenomenal church and it's an amazing church family, one that has

been so supportive.

Godly pastors, sound teaching, biblically sound teaching.

And, you know, my other church that I had, you know, been where I was saved and baptized

and also a great church.

Not doesn't line up with my theology, though.

The Lord really moved me to reform theology.

And so, you know, I'm so happy I'm home.

This is my church home.

So I'd be thrilled to extend your greetings.

Great.

And actually, I will be seeing those folks in March

of 2024 because I am going to be once again the emcee for their fundraising gala

to raise funds for Grace Christian Academy, the classical Christian school they operate.

So I'm looking forward to that as well.

Yay.

Well, I'm looking forward to going and seeing you.

Yeah. Amen.

It was great to see you at the G3 conference as well recently.

G3 was great.

Yeah.

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of Christ and is now a member of a Reformed Baptist church in New

York, Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island.

And we are discussing her book, From Psychic to Saved.

If you have any questions, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

And before I go to any questions, I just wanted to have you clarify some things.

Before you even became a psychic yourself and you were experiencing

psychics giving you information that you believe only someone

communicating with some other spiritual supernatural entity

would be able to know, how clear was that to you?

Was it vague enough where it could have been the product of, as they call

them, parlor tricks, or at least they used to call them that?

And as you likely know, especially since you've been in the business of

being a psychic medium yourself, I don't know what the percentage is, but it must be

flooded with charlatans as well as people who are actually having real supernatural

experiences.

So even when you reflect upon it now, as opposed to when you were first hearing these things,

how certain are you that this information you were receiving from the psychic

mediums was genuine information that they were receiving from the dark side?

I'm glad you brought that up, Chris, because I think it's important to state, and I'm going to answer your question, but it's important to state that

divination is real.

And that's something that people really need to know because the hucksters and the charlatans play

it off like this is just a scam and it's all bogus.

And I would say that's the minority of quote unquote readers.

Oh, you think that's the minority, the charlatans?

I really do.

I do.

I really do.

I, you know, you can spot them from a mile away.

They're going to crack an egg over your head, their palm.

I always have this little, I go to say psalm, because now you can see 10 years walking with Christ.

Palm readers with the same spiel that they give.

There's about, I don't know, one on every half block, especially in Queens, Manhattan.

They're popping up all over the place.

But there's kind of that routine way of doing things.

Cold readings, even the mediums that you see that are, you know, the Long Island medium and everything.

Right.

We're really connecting.

She's really connecting.

But people will accuse her of being a fake and a phony.

And there are some things with doing stage readings, which are a little bit different.

But just going back to your question really quickly, I, the first reading that I had, I

was convinced that it was completely a spiritual experience.

I just didn't understand it because the information given to me in that small reading

was absolutely accurate.

I don't like using the word truthful because demons don't speak in truth, but it was accurate.

It was things that had happened that were visible to these creatures, to these entities.

These spirits, demons are around and whatever they've seen, they can report accurately.

And it was specific enough.

It wouldn't have been generic.

You know, I mean, for example, my best friend at the time, and I was a kid, I was 13, best

friend at the time, just had come from a big trip to Ireland with her family.

And she brought me this beautiful ring back.

And, okay, you're 13, you know, Charlton would have said, okay, you have a best

friend and they gave you a gift.

That would have been something very generic and something I think a Charlton would have said.

But this woman was very specific, you know, that where she went, the timeframe she

went, the specific piece of jewelry she brought, so on and so forth.

And I was convinced of that.

Now, throughout the years of getting the readings, like I say, I would say, just say two out of every 10,

I would have said would have maybe been a Charlton, I don't know, maybe even one.

And they were easy to spot.

They were very easy to spot.

But the majority were real readers who were really communicating

with demonic spirits, masquerading as either departed loved ones or some

sort of helper, I call spirit guides.

We all had a spirit guide, spirit guides are, in my opinion, the counterfeit Holy Spirit.

It's this demon masquerading as somebody who's going to help you, give you wisdom, give you insight,

provide, quote, unquote, truth.

And, of course, a spirit guide is none of those things, nothing more than a demon masquerading.

But most of the readings that I had were really, you could tell,

not from Charlotans.

But the spirits themselves were Charlotans, because very often you are being

told that a medium is hearing from a deceased loved one.

That is not really happening.

It's a demon or something that's masquerading as a loved one, a deceased loved one.

Am I correct in that?

That's absolutely right, known as a familiar spirit, aka demon.

But the medium, the medium themselves, isn't trying to trick you.

They really believe that they're speaking to grandma, grandpa, whoever.

But you're absolutely right.

The demons or the Charlotans, absolutely, 100%.

And for the sake of my fellow theologically reformed

listeners who tend to be very skeptical

about anything outside of Christianity that involves

the supernatural, that might put all of this under the

umbrella of charlatanry and hucksterism and fakery,

a hero to most, if not all, Reformed Baptists, A .W. Pink, Arthur

Pink.

He was a great Christian evangelist and author from the Reformed

Baptist perspective from the early to mid -20th century.

He went home to be with the Lord in the 1950s.

But before he was saved, he joined the Theosophical Society,

which is an occult Gnostic group in England.

And he rose to prominence within its ranks.

And when he got saved, and would later reflect upon those days when he

was involved in the occult, he was still, as a Christian, convinced

that they were not parlor tricks that he was witnessing, that they were genuine

supernatural manifestations and occurrences that he had witnessed and had been involved

in, just not of the good kind, not from God, but from Satan.

So I just wanted to let our listeners know.

They may be totally ignorant of that fact that Pink was involved in the occult before his

salvation.

And if you get his biography from Banner of Truth,

you will learn that and much, much more about A .W. Pink.

I think it may have been Ian Murray who wrote that for Banner of Truth, but I can't remember right now.

But I'll let you know perhaps later on in the show.

So now, moving forward to you believing that you

had received this gift, so -called, and you were just

reflecting earlier on when you were giving your testimony about demonic manifestations.

What exactly does that mean?

I mean, did you actually see demons or did you hear their voices?

What was going on?

Yes, yes.

Wow.

What did a demon look and sound like?

So they manifested in different ways, different forms before me.

I saw ones that looked like...

So a familiar spirit looks like a human being.

People call them ghosts.

It's not a ghost, of course.

There's no real deceased person being brought before you.

It's a demon masquerading as a human being.

And really shocking when you...

You don't expect to see that.

I remember sitting at my kitchen table.

My head was down on my arms and I kind of just looked up casually.

I picked my head up and looked to the left, which was the hallway.

And at the end of the hallway was the room that I slept in.

And I looked up and I looked to my left and standing in the doorway was this demon

that looked like a man, a tall, lean man, looked dressed like a professor.

But you know those jackets with the...

A man's jacket with those...

What were they, like patches on the elbow?

Yes.

It was called a...

Yeah, you know, like a corduroy jacket with that patch.

I even probably still have one in my closet.

Oh, do you?

Probably, although I've never been a professor before.

Well, so we...

Okay, so we're safe with you.

Yeah, and I was shocked.

I mean, I almost fell off the chair and it was just such a cold, dead stare.

So this is not three -dimensional like we are, right?

You could see we have matter and substance to us.

It's more of this...

Oh, gosh, how do you describe it?

Not foggy, but...

Oh, boy, type of...

Not see -through, not foggy.

You see it, but just not substance like we are.

Yeah, and just...

Translucent.

I like that.

Let's go with that.

Translucent.

And that was something I noticed.

That was a pattern.

Whenever I saw a familiar spirit, usually it had that dead look in the eye.

Pardon the pun there with the dead, but that cold stare.

I also saw animals, demons that would manifest as animals.

So imagine now still with that translucence that we were just talking about, but they were like

scary and dark -looking owls, scary -looking dog corpses, things

like that.

And then I started getting touched by demons.

I would be on the treadmill and they started touching my hand.

What did that feel like?

It felt like a person.

Really?

It felt like a person touching my hand.

I mean, to the point where you actually look down or you look...

One time I thought that the cat was on my foot.

I felt the pressure, the warmth, the weight.

And I looked down.

There's no cat on my foot.

The cat's in the other room.

I could see the cat.

And...

But that's what it feels like.

And, you know, even when you have...

When you feel them sitting on your bed or...

I'm talking like everybody gets this.

They don't.

Thank God.

But it feels the real pressure, like a person.

And that you will look down, that you'll take notice or that you'll be in shock.

And that was happening more and more.

When I would do readings, when I started doing particularly the mediumship readings, when

familiar spirits were, quote -unquote, I hate to use the terminology, but coming through, right?

And we know it's not.

We know it was not really deceased people.

They're demons masquerading.

But I would have this sense about them that would be nicer if it was like grandma

or grandpa or mom or dad.

There would be this sense of, you know, a mom feeling or a dad feeling.

And then there would be times I did a reading where I'll never forget this.

It was...

I was doing a group reading.

And I offered two ways of having group readings.

You either could all sit together in one room or you could have mini readings just like I had

when I was 13.

15 minutes, one by one.

And this woman came in for the reading and she sat before me.

And so I start channeling.

And this demonic spirit pretending to be her uncle

starts, you know, starts coming through.

And this woman starts looking at me with hatred in her eyes.

And I was starting...

I felt sick and creeped out.

This uncle, right, shot her when she was a child and her

brother.

And I'm getting all this information.

And so this was a very bold and blatant demon.

This was one that was very aggressive and had no problem stating these things.

And then...

And remember, the agenda is always destruction.

This is what these demons are on assignment to do, right?

Steal, kill and destroy.

And this woman looked like she was about to destroy me, let me tell you, because it was like I was the

uncle and I wasn't there anymore.

And she's looking with that hatred and that...

And I don't blame her for feeling how she felt, but it wasn't me.

I was the messenger there.

And I felt sick after that.

I went home.

I will never forget it.

I felt sick for...

I don't remember if it was just a weekend or a full week, but I felt sick after it.

And you think, what nerve I have, right?

Because I'm communicating with demons all the time, but they really come through differently.

They manifest differently, just like I said, even in how they look or, you know, how they appear to

you.

So black shadows, black shadow figures, I should say.

I saw those.

I saw them during sleep paralysis.

Oh, my gosh, it was terrible.

And, you know, it's not something that you can't blame it on.

You know, people will say, and I always say, don't insult people that have mental illness, because it's not a mental illness.

Psychic mediumship is not a mental illness.

Seeing in the spiritual realm that way is not a mental illness because it is controlled.

I received information, Chris, about people that were...

They were strangers.

I had their name when I started taking appointments.

I had their name and their phone number.

That's all I had.

And I could go through their whole...

I was being fed information by these demons about their family, about their life, things that had happened,

things that they even had to go back and they found out through their husband or their mom or their dad, stuff about their grandparents, their

great -grandparents, what they were doing last week.

Just perfect strangers.

That's not an illness.

That is tapped into the demonic.

That's what it is.

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Anyway, so,

when you were experiencing these things,

how early on or how late into your journey through this

did it begin to haunt you that this was not a good thing, even if you believed it was

absolutely real?

That doesn't necessarily mean, oh, this is good, this is something proper.

Even if you don't have Christ in your life, there are people who are opposed to this kind of thing,

even if it just creeps them out.

Tell us about what you were thinking when you were experiencing these things.

Pretty early on, I was afraid when those things

happened.

When I saw those evil manifestations, I was afraid.

At that time, I don't think I was even particularly tying it into doing the readings.

I didn't know.

It was when I started going to that divination group that then I had that

idea that, OK, all right, so I'm meditating, I'm doing readings.

That makes sense that there's good and there's bad.

But now I had this sense that I could control it somehow.

I was being told I could control it.

Like I said, those false tools of protection.

You used a good word there, you used the word haunt, which sounds like, you know, people think of the

movies and haunted houses and stuff like that, but it really does haunt you.

It's tormenting.

Like I said, I felt those presences around me all of the time.

And so when I got older, like I said, after the divination group and everything, and then I would go out and do these group readings and I

was afraid to go at night.

I was afraid to go by myself.

I was afraid to drive because the drive home always included some extra demons

manifesting themselves in the road.

And like I said, something I realized after the fact, they just want to cause destruction.

Imagine if I had stopped short because it looks like a human being in the road.

And in the rear view mirror, I could see these demons, you know, manifesting as familiar spirits coming home

with me after the reading.

And then you kind of have this idea, okay, it's because I was opened up, but let

me go home and burn more sage.

Let me get some more protective crystals.

Let me imagine more white light around myself.

So it's the idea that you have some sort of power over demons and that you have some sort of control and you don't.

And demons aren't afraid of those things.

They're not afraid of sage.

They're not afraid of crystals.

They only are afraid of Jesus Christ.

And only Jesus has the authority over all creation.

But I didn't know that.

And when you say that they're not afraid, demons are not afraid of sage, not afraid

of crystal.

Have they ever, in your opinion, pretended to be afraid of those

things?

Because, you know, the demonic realm and Satan himself are all about deception.

And perhaps it may keep a person sucked into

participating in something like this if they think these things are working, these things that are warding off evil.

And, you know, like, for instance, I don't know how much of this is a part of true experience, but

sometimes I have seen, just like in the movies, during an exorcism,

somebody will hold up a crucifix and the so -called or allegedly demon -possessed

individual will begin screaming in agony.

Now, that could very well be a trick, you know, to make the person think that

this idol that they're holding...

I mean, it actually further deludes the person to believe in idolatry, you know, when

they're holding up something like that.

But anyway, before you answer, we're going to go to a midway break and you can answer when we come back.

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I asked before the break, if you had ever experienced or known of

anything from the demonic realm that tricks people into thinking the

ways they are attempting to thwart their power are working, such as

holding up a crucifix, such as splashing so -called holy water on them.

And we could go on and on.

Yes, but I think in a different way than what you're thinking.

So let's say I had a ritual before I would do a reading and I would burn sage

and I would light a candle and I would meditate.

And I believed all those things were working when the reading was

seemingly pleasant, helpful, warm and fuzzy type of deal.

We're crying at the end of it.

So I thought by doing those things, that was the reason why

it was OK, why it seemed less scary.

So I was definitely duped.

I was duped by those false tools of protection.

So when it was not as smooth as that, I blamed

myself.

Like there was something I just didn't do enough to...

Because after all, those things work against demons and the new age brain.

Well, thanks for that answer.

And let's go to a couple of listener questions.

Let's see here.

We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who asks, did you ever see

a demon masquerading as one of your own deceased loved ones?

Oh, that's so interesting.

I didn't see one masquerading as one of my own loved ones, but I did

believe that I was speaking to my own dead loved ones at times.

During channeling, I would channel for my family, which you would think would be

a really strange thing because you're thinking, hey, that's your family.

You know, how could you, you know, say that you're channeling them?

But it would always be information that I wasn't aware of, things that I didn't know.

And mom and dad would have to confirm or validate.

So, no, I didn't necessarily see anybody that I had lost, but I definitely had the sense that I was

dealing with them and channeling.

And thanks a lot, CJ.

And we also have Frederica,

who is in Barber, California.

Frederica asks, is channeling, that you keep mentioning, a specific kind of

medium activity?

I can remember, especially a decade or more ago, seeing them featured on different television

shows where the person would actually start speaking in a different voice and so on.

Was that what you experienced?

Yeah, I can remember that.

I can remember that, too.

On some of the major talk shows, you would see these people and they would even physically start

to, like, contort themselves.

And you'd hear, like, a different sounding voice coming out and all that kind of thing.

That sounds like possession, Chris.

It probably was, but they were claiming that they were channeling somebody.

That they were just channeling.

No, so the channeling that I'm talking about is when you, not a

complete trance -like state, but see, the meditating, New Age meditation is this idea where you're opening

your mind.

And what's happening is you really are going into a different state.

You're going into a different state, and that is allowing these entities in.

And when I say in, I mean more so around.

So it wasn't that I was demonically possessed when I was, but they would do things through you, download information,

just like when I did automatic writing.

So I'll use the word again, that was channeling.

So I'm in a meditative state, and I'm asking a question for

insight supernaturally from, you know, whoever I believe it was at the time, you know,

spirit guide or your spirit guide or your grandmother, your grandfather.

And I would start writing very quickly.

Automatic writing is channeling.

So it's the information is not coming from you.

It's being downloaded rapidly.

And that's through these demons.

So right before the reading, like I said, like I mentioned, I'm going into the state, this different state

where I'm able to access these the communication from these

spirits, aka demons.

Now, when you say that, I know that up.

Yes.

And when you say automatic writing, from what I can remember, when I have seen people again on TV

claiming to do that, they were just scribbling something.

It wasn't some kind of language.

Is that what you're talking about?

That that's a part of automatic writing when you're just scribbling, and I would do that sometimes during reading.

So when I used to do readings, I would have a notebook and a pen with me.

And because I would receive well, and I would receive information different ways,

whether it was something I was hearing, something I was seeing, something that then I just started writing.

And sometimes I would scribble a little bit.

There's an energy.

I hate to say that word, I really do, especially being safe now.

Well, as long as you add the adjective demonic to it, that will be fine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's even replace that.

It's not even so much that that's the New Age idea.

It's not even that it's an energy.

It's a demonic spirit that is heavily influencing the situation.

OK, so so I would start scribbling.

But no, my automatic writings mainly were actually readings on a piece of paper.

So getting the information downloaded, just as if I was sitting before you and I was just reading you and

speaking to you the information, rather, I would be writing it on paper.

And that was that was a part of my services.

Actually, you mean writing it in the English language, you're saying.

Correct.

Writing in the English language.

So let's say it was Joe Schmo wanted to know about, I

don't know, something in their life, right, or just, hey, my name is Joe Schmo.

Give me a reading.

I want to know, but I want an automatic writing.

So, OK, so sit there, go into the same meditative state and boom,

started receiving information.

And I would write it and you write it down.

But it's not really you.

You know, it's not you.

It's not your thoughts and it's not about you.

And it's nothing that you could even know.

It's things about these people that come out and the validations are in there.

So validations was a validation was a new age term for when a piece of accurate information

would be told, would be given because it's kind of like this.

Hey, listen, you see, how could I have known that?

So now the next piece of information, I'm kind of doing this in the in the position of the demon.

Right.

So I'm going to give you this piece of accurate information and then I'm going to tell you a bunch of other things that I really can't know

with 100 percent accuracy because I'm not God.

But you're going to believe every single word of it, because I just told you you were, you know, fumbling around in your

closet last week when nobody else was in the room looking for mom's necklace that you were going to bring to the reading or that you,

you know, whatever.

Well, you ate at Luigi's.

I was I don't know why I always use that example place.

Yeah, I'm Italian, I guess.

Is that is that.

Is that a place I should visit on Long Island?

No, but I never.

It's made up.

Oh, I'm sure there's a lot of Louise's around there.

Oh, I'm sure there are.

And I have a lot of good places if you want recommendations later.

But, you know, you went to the Italian restaurant and last Tuesday and

you spilled the spaghetti sauce on your pants and you got really mad.

And then this happened and that happened.

And the psychic reader wasn't there.

So how could you have known that information?

Right.

So these validations or these pieces of accurate information are being told they're things that have already happened that can be

reported with 100 percent accuracy.

And then they're going to start filling in the gaps with the with the lies.

I mean, well, those are lies, too, right?

The lie is where it's coming from.

It's coming from a demon, not a spirit guide, not a deceased loved one.

But now they're going to start filling it with future information as well, because, see, people going for readings don't

don't only want to connect with somebody that they've lost.

They want to hear about things.

Is this going to be OK?

What's good?

And there are some people that didn't even want to connect with a departed loved

one because they miss them.

They just wanted information about what job to take.

Who was I going to marry?

What, you know, just real psychic information.

And the thing is that demons don't know the future.

Only God does.

Only God knows all things.

Only God is omniscient.

But when the demons lay down that foundation for you.

Hey, but I was able to tell you this and I could tell you that you're going to believe hook, line and sinker.

And that's going to impact your decision making.

And that's going to keep you going back to the reader, which is the point and further away from God, not going to

God.

And that's the point not to come to Christ, not to hear the gospel, not to walk in truth

and not to have eternal life in Christ Jesus, but to put your faith and trust in a psychic.

Wow, we have Tati, T -O -T

-T -I.

Forgive me if I'm mispronouncing that in Yellow Springs, Ohio.

And Tati asks, have you ever angered customers, for lack of a better term,

by giving them information that they said was completely false?

No.

Wow.

No, really?

That's kind of pompous, right?

But but I'm just being honest.

I'm being totally honest with you.

No, absolutely not.

And I have to say that the the readings that I gave were extremely accurate.

And it was and there's always a justification for something.

So let's say the future thing didn't happen, right?

There's always a justification.

Well, you have a will and had you gone down this road and that road and nobody cared anyway,

because you have to remember something.

If what people are hanging on to is what they resonate with and the pieces that

were already given, the things that have already happened that are accurate.

It doesn't take much.

You want to believe this so badly.

You'll take the two pieces of accurate information and throw the rest of it in the garbage.

It won't matter to you.

You're just so intrigued and hooked by it.

And it will just keep you going.

And eventually, if you can't get appointments with your psychic or your psychic medium, you're going to get your

own card.

You're going to get your own crystals.

And they're going to tell you to because the enemy just keeps it going.

He just he just is building his army.

So I hope that answers that.

And let's see here.

Oh, we have our old friend Grady from Asheboro, North Carolina, a

faithful, loyal listener and financial supporter of Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

And Grady says, Greetings, Brother Chris and Sister Jennifer.

What reaction did you receive from other psychics, family and people you had readings with when you

gave them the news that Jesus Christ had saved you?

Have you had the opportunity to see God graciously save any of them?

Wow.

Hi, Grady.

Nice to meet you.

Greetings.

That's such a great question.

When I came to Christ, I I was witnessing left and right.

And God put me in such a position to do that because I was still getting calls for readings.

My parents completely denounced any sort of

psychic communication, any tools of divination.

They stopped.

They were very happy for me.

Could I say that they came to Christ?

I not specific.

No, I can't say that.

I don't really know what my mom's relationship is.

I really believe my mom always had a relationship with Christ, but was very deceived.

And now, unfortunately, she has dementia.

And it's it's very difficult there.

We keep praying.

My sister stopped doing the tarot cards.

She has not come to Christ.

Boy, I could go through a list.

I was booted.

Just to answer your question.

I was definitely booted out of the New Age community.

Better off for it.

And God has restored those relationships times a million with a

beautiful church family.

Praise God.

So the answer really is no.

I haven't seen anybody come to Christ that was in my circle then.

And I even had this client that I used to call her my VIP client.

It was just nonstop.

She just wanted readings all the time.

But she let me come to her house after I was saved and sit with her and talk to her.

And I was able to meet her again.

And I brought the Bible and I actually gave her one of my books.

And we were talking.

And she just isn't receiving the good news.

She's not receiving it.

So I just pray those seeds were planted.

Thanks a lot, Grady.

And thanks for your generous ongoing support to Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio.

We have Thad, which I'm assuming is an abbreviation for

Thaddeus.

I don't know that for a fact, though.

Thad in Badger, Kansas.

And Thad says, every time I have seen a so -called

medium on television, they have some kind of association with Roman Catholicism.

I am not saying that Roman Catholic hierarchy approves of this, but it

just seems to be a constant connection that I have personally witnessed whenever these people are

being interviewed on talk shows.

Is that your experience?

Well, it was with you personally.

Yeah, it was with me.

And he may even be referencing, which I don't know for a fact, John Edward,

John Edward associates.

Yeah, right.

Teresa, of course, Long Island medium here on Long Island.

The people that I was with in the circle absolutely were associating themselves with Roman

Catholicism.

A very big here on Long Island.

And I'm trying to think of anybody else, really, that we see on TV.

I'm not too sure, but not all of them, but definitely the ones that are standing out,.

Too.

And no, we actually just made a great video about this.

Doreen Virtue and I, we sat and it's on Doreen.

Oh, it's on both of our YouTube channels.

But we actually sat and we went through some of the Long Island medium's audience

readings, stage readings, and we commented as we went.

And we bring that up and Doreen actually puts in there how the Catholic Church is not in favor of divination.

They do know that they they they're aware.

So, no, they don't.

And plus, you have to remember something.

It's still a very it's it's just that way of saying, hey, I'm Catholic, but I really just do whatever I want.

You know, I go to church, but I don't read the Bible, you know.

So it's sad because I think that's a great deception

that the enemy is that the enemy has a tool of deception that he's using.

So he wants people to think that if he's he throws some God words, Jesus words, religious

connotations to it, that you're going to think it's OK.

You're going to think it's good.

You're going to think it's holy and you're going to feel perfectly fine going and getting that reading.

And let's face it, there is not a huge leap

from.

What they would call venerating, which is actually worshiping, regardless of what they say, dead

people.

You know, they claim to have some kind of contact

or they are contacting.

They're not necessarily hearing back from them, but some claim they are.

Mary, the saints, a myriad of saints.

And I think that that just puts that that Catholic at ease

when delving into something.

From the occult world, because they don't really see that much of a leap.

And I'm not going to say his name because he's deceased now, and maybe he repented of this.

I don't know.

But there was a much beloved Roman Catholic figure on Long Island who was a

monsignor.

He had a television show.

And he was he he was reprimanded very

strongly by his bishop because he was referring

people in deep mourning after losing loved ones.

He was referring them to mediums.

This is a Catholic monsignor.

Wow, that's horrible.

Oh, yeah.

And I have a very close family member.

I'm not going to say which one, but a very close family member

who is still Roman Catholic.

And she has consulted mediums and, of course, was convinced of the

genuineness of one particular medium because the medium said, why am I

seeing a runway at an airport?

And sure enough, my father was a pilot in World War Two, and he maintained his pilot

license all the way up through his early 70s.

But, you know, that kind of a thing.

But but, you know, and I and I I I warn her and I warn anybody that I

know who has any kind of professed connection with Catholicism,

who is delving into this stuff.

Look, you Catholics believe in the Old Testament, just like I do.

Yours is longer because they believe that the apocryphal books are part of the Old Testament.

They call them the Deuterocanonical books.

But I said in your same Bible, this is condemned by God

and was even warranted in the Hebrew Scriptures, the death penalty.

So anyway, by the way, that that comes to mind.

I don't know if you've ever done a study or if you have heard

Pastor Doug's or Pastor Bob's or Pastor Danny's views on

this over at Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island.

But have you heard of a discussion on whether or not

Saul in the Old Testament, when he came, visited the witch of Endor

to summon up Saul, who had been deceased

for information and counsel and help on battle strategy, I think it was.

The Bible does not say that the that the entity, if

for lack of a better term, that was summoned up was not Saul.

It never said it was a fake charlatan masquerading spirit of any

kind.

Uh, do you do you have any belief on that at all at this point on whether or not that was really

Saul?

And if if that really happened, could it happen today and all that kind of a thing?

So very interesting you bring this up.

This is a huge debate, even as you probably know, amongst even scholars,

theological scholars.

Was it a familiar spirit or was it Samuel?

So we know the story.

King Saul goes, he sneaks over there in the middle of the night and he goes to see the witch

of Endor and she's a medium.

She is.

And she was very surprised.

He asks to bring.

She says, who do you want to bring up?

And he says, Samuel.

And she looked shocked when Samuel.

So so right there, you could say, OK, God and his authority.

And, you know, he he allowed that to happen.

You could say that.

Or do you say, well, God has already condemned

mediumship and we know the demons masquerade.

So I think I love how R .C. Sproul actually he had said something to to this extent.

OK, we can go we can look at this debate, but let's go with what we know for

sure.

And we know that God says you don't do it.

So if if God decided to bring up Samuel right, that was in his sovereignty and his authority

to do so.

It doesn't mean that you go out and do it.

So we need to focus on the text of, you know, not to practice divination, not

to consult it.

Right.

So personally speaking, which is what you asked me.

So, yes, I spoke with the pastors about it because once again, Doreen and I do a lot of work together.

So we were going to make a video just kind of giving both sides.

I wasn't I hadn't landed anywhere at that time.

This was months ago.

And I brought it up to the pastors and pastor.

Well, I don't want to call them because I don't want to get anything wrong.

But to my memory, either all of them or at least two out of the three believed it was a demon,

a familiar spirit.

Yeah, yeah.

And so I've heard both, Chris.

Yeah, I've heard both sides.

You could look into it.

I think John MacArthur spoke about it, too.

Pretty sure he did.

Actually, I haven't looked into it in months.

I mean, I could see the argument either way.

Right.

So, OK.

All right.

I know.

Yeah, right.

Well, it would seem to coincide with the belief that today

nobody is contacting the dead.

But as you were saying, that may have been a very unique one time example of

how God permitted this to happen.

And then we see what happened.

Well, he died.

Right. Right.

The next day.

And Samuel was upset for if you want to say the spirit that pretended to be Samuel.

Right.

Was upset for being called up.

And you wonder why a demon would be upset.

But anyway, I guess we'll never know until we're in heaven.

And maybe when we're in heaven, we won't care.

Yeah, I don't think we're going to care.

I asked Pastor Mark Grimaldi, who I heard in your advertisements.

I asked him when he gets some time if he would want to come on my show and actually talk about that

passage.

Do you know his view yet?

No.

I only asked him if he would come on.

He said yes.

You know, he's he's got a lot going on right now.

So I'm hoping when things clear up for him, we'll get that going.

That'll be great.

Now, by the way, please don't let me forget.

How do.

And by the way, folks, we're not over yet.

We still have another segment, but I just want to make sure that I don't forget to ask Jennifer what

the website is that where people can listen to your own podcast.

Mm hmm.

My website, which is kind of the hub for all of my all of my handles, all of my social media

and my and my podcast, which is X Psychic Saved podcast available on all your

podcast listening platforms for the most part.

But my my website is www .xpsychicsaved .com, E

-X -P -Y -S -C -H -I -C -S -A -V -E -D .com.

And there you'll find the links for my tick tock, my YouTube, my Instagram and my

podcast X Psychic Saved podcast, which is completely dedicated to exposing

the new age tactics, the new age deceptions and the practices that are still going on today.

All right.

We have to go to our final break.

And if you have any interest in joining the conversation with your own question, please send in your question immediately because we're rapidly running

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We're now back with Jennifer Nizza, who has written a book,

From Psychic to Saved, that we have been discussing, and we do have

a listener.

I was just looking at it.

Where did she go, or perhaps he, because Meredith could be either a man or a woman's name.

Meredith in Charlotte, New York.

I didn't even know there was a Charlotte, New York.

And Meredith asks, Have these demonic manifestations

ever been conjured up in your mind in life now, after you have been born again?

Okay, so I'm actually writing a book right now about spiritual warfare

and demonic attacks, and the Christian is not exempt from some oppression.

As we know, we cannot be possessed, but there is some oppression.

And I have been spiritually attacked in the time that I've come to Christ.

In that regard, psychically, maybe twice, and it shook me to my core.

But as my walk got stronger, and my knowledge

of God's Word increased, we have God gives us so many principles, so many biblical

principles, spiritual weapons in the spiritual battle, that of course, he talks about in Ephesians 6,

12, the spiritual battle.

And I pray, I've fasted, I have, you know,

I'm in the Word daily, I'm in church weekly, I'm in encouragement group, which

Chris may be familiar with from Grace Reformed.

But it's only happened a couple of times.

And it was an attempt, in my opinion, an attempt to just try to

lure me back, provoke fear and discomfort, and of course, it's not going to work.

Amen.

We have time for one more question.

We have Benjamin in Pepper, Delaware.

And Benjamin says, you said earlier, when you were an active psychic medium, that

you were not demon -possessed.

How do you know that?

Because if I was, if you think about the possession accounts in the Bible, you could see that they had

no control.

They were not of sound mind at all.

They were not able to, they weren't functioning.

So I don't believe one is going to be possessed.

I mean, they were completely taken over.

That's what possession is.

The demon completely takes over.

So you're not going to the store with a list, you know, picking up groceries, you

know, doing a reading, then, you know, tucking your children in at night and driving them to school in the morning.

That's not possession.

I would say it was heavy demonic oppression, but not possession.

And I would concede that I probably was getting close to some sort of possession.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was, if that was getting close to that.

But no, that's, you could see what possession is according to the accounts in the Bible.

By the way, everybody who's written in questions, you have won a free copy of the book that we have been addressing by

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a copy.

One last question for myself.

Tell us about the very frequently held belief,

especially it seems by charismatic and Pentecostal Christians, that physical possessions that you bring

into your home could bring demons into your house.

It could have been a possession that was owned by somebody involved in the occult,

and you naively, innocently bring it in your house.

And all of a sudden, you've wreaked havoc in your home.

And then a last, and these have to be fairly brief answers, and the last one would be about Ouija boards.

Is something like that really dangerous?

Those are such huge topics, Chris.

Well, we have to have you back then.

That's all that that means.

Yeah, it's like a cliffhanger.

Let me go with the second one first.

Ouija boards absolutely are dangerous.

It's a tool of divination.

One can say it's just a wooden board.

It's a wooden board used as a tool of divination to contact who you believe is the dead.

You're only invoking demons when you do that.

You're going into the practice of divination, and you are going to get the consequences of

that.

And unfortunately, demonic activity, opening those doors.

In regards to your first question, what a convenient idea it is to believe that you have these, you

know, soul ties or soul attachments or demonic attachments, and that the Christian can be

possessed.

Because then the answer to that, of course, would be the deliverance ministry, which is not

biblical to go to man for anything like that.

But no, you don't need to worry about, my goodness, where would the freedom in Christ be if we had to worry about

every single place we went, or people that we knew, or things that happened.

And then we have all these attachments, and we're coming home with these attachments.

Yeah, definitely.

Stop shopping for antiques, if that was the case.

Just be discerning.

Be smart.

I mean, you're not going to, don't sit and watch a paranormal activity of the movie.

Don't watch Ghost Hunters.

Don't have tea and coffee with psychic mediums.

Certainly don't go for readings.

Don't do things that are blatantly demonic.

And now you know, and I pray that you know now, that these practices are demonic

and only demonic.

They are unholy, ungodly, and spiritually dangerous.

Just be very discerning.

Well, thank you for being such a superb guest, and I really meant what I said.

I want you to come back to the show, and I look forward to frequent visits from you, God willing.

Don't forget, folks, the website is xpsychicsave .com,

xpsychicsaved .com.

And also, don't forget about the website for the church, where Jennifer

is a member, my former church, or should I say the church I formerly attended when I was on Long

Island, gracereformedbaptistchurch .org,

gracereformedbaptistchurch .org, which is located on Long Island in Merrick, New York.

I want to thank everybody who listened.

I want to thank especially those who took the time to write in questions.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than

you are a sinner.