Let's Talk About Baptism!

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August 9, 2022

For something that is practiced by all Christian churches, baptism is also widely misunderstood. What is baptism? How is it to be done? Who is to receive it and when? In today’s video, I will play the video of a recent sermon by Jim Osman on baptism. It is very thorough and quite good. After the sermon, I will interview Jim and ask him what the feedback has been like. It

00:05: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters. I hope that this finds you and your family doing well today.
00:11: I want to thank you so much for joining me for this podcast. It's been quite a little while since I've been able to post a video.
00:18: That's because I've just been in a very busy stretch here, traveling and preaching and teaching.
00:24: I was in Wisconsin and then I flew straight from Wisconsin to Finland and jumped across the pond.
00:31: It's been my first international preaching trip since COVID started, but those regulations and requirements and mandates are starting to loosen up now, so I jumped back across the pond.
00:43: Josh and Sharla Comstock, some dear friends of ours, went with me on this trip. We had a really good time there in Finland.
00:53: It's a dark place spiritually. There's not a lot of Christians in Finland. The vast majority of Finnish people are
01:01: Lutheran, but they are Lutheran in name only. That's the state church there, and very liberal
01:08: Lutheran. Not the Chris Rosebrook kind of Lutheran. The very liberal Lutheran don't believe in much of anything really.
01:17: The number of genuine believers in Finland is a small number, but God has his sheep everywhere.
01:25: Some of those sheep came to this conference and it was just a joy to be with them. I only preached six times.
01:32: Only one of those messages was on Word of Faith. The rest of them, their conference was themed off of Solidaio Gloria, so my messages were kind of tailored to that.
01:42: But a wonderful, wonderful time there. Sweet, sweet people. It was a good time. So anyway, to anyone from Finland, I know some of you watch my
01:52: YouTube channel. Hello. What a joy it was to be with you. So all right, well, transitioning now to the meat of the matter here.
02:01: A couple of Sundays ago, as of this recording, Jim Osmond, my friend and pastor of Kootenai Community Church, preached a sermon on baptism.
02:10: And I've watched this sermon. It's really, really good. He packs an awful lot in to 52 minutes.
02:16: And I thought it would be really helpful for you to see this sermon because there's a lot of confusion as to exactly what baptism is.
02:26: And so he hits all of these issues. He talks about the meaning of baptism. Is this a transliteration or translation?
02:34: There's a big difference there. He talks about that. He talks about what baptism symbolizes, who should be baptized, and a little teaser here,
02:44: I think, that in all likelihood, as you watch this sermon, it very well may be that at the end of the sermon, you realize, wow,
02:53: I need to be baptized myself. Because as John MacArthur has said, and rightly so, our churches are full of baptized unbelievers and also unbaptized believers.
03:10: And my guess is that at least some of you watching this, you fall into that category.
03:16: You are an unbaptized believer. So do watch this sermon. And at the end of the sermon,
03:22: I'm going to bring Jim on for a short little interview. And I'm going to ask him about, so what was the feedback that you got from this sermon after you preached it at Kootenai Community Church?
03:35: And I think the feedback will actually really encourage you. So all right, dear ones,
03:41: I'll put the time stamps down below in the description where the sermon, well, it begins right after this, and then
03:49: I'll put a timestamp for when the interview starts. So help you navigate a little bit if you want to come back to it or share it with your friends and family.
03:57: All right. Okay. Without any further delay, here's Jim. Let's ask the assistance of the
04:04: Holy Spirit before we open our Father's Word. Our Lord, we ask your blessing upon this time, and not that we may just simply understand your
04:14: Word, but that we may be prompted and encouraged to obey your Word in all that you have revealed.
04:21: We pray that you would open our hearts and our minds, and that we would bring every thought and every tradition and everything that we desire into obedience to your
04:29: Word. We pray that you would send your Holy Spirit to be our comforter, our encourager, and also to motivate our hearts that we may respond appropriately to the
04:36: Word that you have given to us. We ask your blessing on this time for that end, in the name of Christ our
04:42: Lord, amen. Well, you can probably tell from the bulletin that we're taking a brief respite from Hebrews 11.
04:49: We finished up the example of Moses, and this is a good time to take a little bit of a break and to turn our attention to the subject of baptism.
04:56: You probably noticed in the last year, 18 months as I have, that our congregation has grown substantially.
05:02: There's new people here almost every week, and we've put out new chairs to accommodate some of that growth, and we have options.
05:08: We can add on to this room. We could build an entirely different facility that would be just a sanctuary. We could go to two services.
05:13: We could use our overflow space, or I could preach on a subject that is likely to infuriate a good number of people in our congregation.
05:25: So here we go. The reason for doing this is very simple.
05:32: In two weeks, we're having a baptism class, and in four weeks from this Sunday, we're going to be baptizing people up here in our stage.
05:40: And it is a good opportunity to take some time on a Sunday morning to remind ourselves of what Scripture says concerning baptism, the mode of baptism, the meaning of baptism, as well as who it is that qualifies for baptism, and this is a unique body of believers.
05:55: Because we are Reformed in our soteriology but not in our eschatology, and because we are not charismatic, and because we are an expository church, we tend to attract people who enjoy exposition of Scripture and who fit into various theological camps and come from a variety of theological backgrounds.
06:14: Some of you have come out of charismatic circles, even extremely charismatic circles, Word of Faith, charismatic
06:21: Pentecostal backgrounds where you have heard the term baptism used in reference to the reception of certain spiritual gifts, particularly miraculous gifts like healing or tongues or interpretation of tongues.
06:31: Some of you here come from baptistic circles. You've been Fundamentalist Baptist or Independent Baptist or Fundamentalist Independent Baptist or Independent Fundamentalist Baptist, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, Missionary Baptist, Regular Baptist, Association of Regular Baptists, General Association of Regular Baptists, and even
06:49: First Baptist, where you are used to seeing almost anything that moves be rushed into the baptismal tank, even on the most spurious of confessions of faith.
07:04: Some of you come from Roman Catholic backgrounds where your idea of baptism is that it is essential for salvation, or at least is there to take some years off of your stay in purgatory, and that it is a means by which saving and regenerating grace is conveyed to you just through the ceremony itself.
07:21: Or maybe you come from Church of Christ backgrounds where it is taught that baptism is necessary for salvation, and that without the ordinance of baptism, you cannot be saved even if your faith in Christ is solid, but that it is at the moment of baptism that you are actually transferred from death into life.
07:37: Or maybe some of you come from a Reformed Church background where you are used to seeing infants baptized as well as adults who make a profession of faith in Christ.
07:46: Some of you possibly come from churches where they don't practice baptism at all, either because nobody ever gets saved there, or nobody who has not been baptized comes to that church, or because they just believe that baptism is not for today, or that it was an ordinance given to the
08:00: Jewish people, and it's not for Gentiles to observe. So to even raise the subject of baptism is to raise in your minds probably a thousand different questions and twice as many objections, and I hope to handle some of those today in preaching on the subject of baptism and looking at what the
08:15: Scripture says concerning the meaning of baptism, the mode of baptism, and who it is that should be baptized. Will you please turn to Matthew chapter 28,
08:23: Matthew chapter 28. This is a familiar passage, and one that I think probably in the normal course of preaching through, for instance, the gospel of Matthew, I would probably spend five to six weeks going through this
08:34: Great Commission. I'm not going to give it obviously that amount of time and attention here today.
08:39: I'm using it basically to… as an opportunity to demonstrate the meaning of baptism from this passage and the mode of baptism from this passage.
08:48: Matthew chapter 28, it's the very end of Matthew's gospel. Let's look at verse 16.
08:54: We're going to read verses 16 through 20. But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which
08:59: Jesus had designated. When they saw Him, they worshipped Him, but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying,
09:05: All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the
09:12: Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you.
09:18: And lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. This is known as the Great Commission. The exact timing of this is a bit uncertain.
09:26: It is certainly after the resurrection, since Matthew spent the first fifteen verses of this chapter describing the resurrection and some of the immediate aftermath of that resurrection.
09:36: The event occurred in Galilee, as you can see from verse 16, at a mountain that Jesus had designated for the disciples to meet
09:43: Him there. And though Matthew doesn't give us any more details other than that the eleven disciples were there, it is very likely that this command, this commission was given to the five hundred people that gathered together and saw
09:56: Him at one occasion. That is the typical, standard way of approaching the passage, is that this is the resurrection appearance mentioned by Paul in 1
10:03: Corinthians 15 verse 6. After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep.
10:11: Now the disciples are mentioned in verse 16. It doesn't say that there were others there, but the command is geared towards something that would be proclaimed.
10:17: It's kind of in the spirit of something that would be proclaimed to a larger number of people. And since it is a mountain that Jesus had designated, the idea seems to be that there was a meeting intended there between the risen
10:28: Lord and people from the regions of Galilee that the disciples would bring to that mountain. The Lord had designated this place.
10:34: He was going to meet with them. It is my feeling, my sentiment that this is where the five hundred met and that this commission was given to those five hundred disciples.
10:43: You'll notice that verse 16 mentions that some were doubting, sorry, verse 17 mentions that when some saw
10:49: Him, when they saw Him, they worshiped Him and some were doubtful. Those ones who were doubtful would not be the eleven disciples who remained.
10:56: And remember that Judas by this time has died and he has gone to his appointed place. Those who were doubtful would have been some amongst these five hundred who for them this was the very first time that they had seen the risen
11:06: Lord. And if you follow the chronology of the resurrection appearances throughout the Gospels and Paul's in 1
11:11: Corinthians 15, you can kind of put them in an order that shows that there were a number of appearances in and around Jerusalem on that first resurrection
11:19: Sunday and then the week that followed. Galilee being probably six, five to seven days journey north back into the regions where most of the disciples came from.
11:28: That was their old stomping grounds. That would have taken a few days to get there. So this is probably an event that is a couple of weeks post -resurrection.
11:35: It's on a designated mountain. The disciples are there with the five hundred also that Paul mentions.
11:41: Some of those five hundred doubted because this was the very first time that they saw the resurrection of Jesus. A number of them worshipped, verse 17, they saw
11:49: Him, they worshipped Him. Some of them were doubtful. They needed some time to put the pieces together. But the fact that the disciples as well as other amongst that five hundred worshipped the
11:58: Lord Jesus Christ gives you some indication of how it is that they viewed Him. A lot of people say that you can't prove the deity of Christ outside the
12:05: Gospel of John. No, you can't because here Jesus Christ is worshipped. And if this is, if He is not God in human flesh, the resurrected
12:12: Christ is not God in human flesh, then this is one of the greatest acts of blasphemy and idolatry that you read in the
12:17: New Testament. And yet Jesus does not reprove them for worshipping Him. He receives that worship because He is indeed worthy of it.
12:23: He is the resurrected Christ. Remember the response of Thomas after he saw the risen Christ, he said, my
12:29: Lord and my God. He called Christ his Lord and he called Christ his God. You see the risen
12:34: Christ, the most natural thing to do is to worship Him. But before we get into the commission, I want you to notice this command that is in verse 18.
12:42: Jesus came up and spoke to them saying, all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. He has all authority.
12:48: And you may not believe this right now, but I will tell you this, I think there's at least one sermon in that phrase. All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
12:57: All authority. He is God the Son. He is the God -man. By virtue of who
13:02: He is and what He has done in satisfying the demands of the Father's wrath and being resurrected from the dead as a demonstration of His deity and that His sacrifice to the
13:14: Father was sufficient to pay the price for sinners who will come to Him in repentance and faith. All authority has been given to Him.
13:21: That means that He has authority to rule and to reign. He has authority in heaven to rule in His church as He does right now.
13:29: He is the head of the church. He has authority to take David's throne and establish a kingdom over the world as He will in the future and to rule in that kingdom.
13:37: He has authority to judge men and angels. He has authority to execute the will of the
13:42: Father in the Father's perfect timing. He has the authority to call men and women into ministry. He has the authority to gift them for ministry.
13:50: And He has the authority to demand and account for how they have used their ministry. He has authority to rule men and women, kings and kingdoms, angels and demons, and personally, you and me.
14:02: He has that authority, all authority. He has authority to draw men to Himself, to save them, to sanctify them, to secure them everlastingly, and He has authority to build
14:12: His church, which He is doing each and every day. He has authority to demand our obedience, to demand our worship.
14:18: He is the Lord of the church. He is the God -man. There is no court over Him. There is no higher authority. There is nobody else to appeal to.
14:25: All judgment has been given to Him. The headship over the church is given to Him. He's the absolute and sovereign
14:31: King, and therefore, there is no excuse for our disobedience. None whatsoever.
14:39: The New Testament describes Christians as slaves. Do loss. We're slaves. Sometimes it's unfortunately translated as servant or even bond -servant, but it means slave.
14:47: One, let's talk about chattel slavery. One who has no rights, one whose only task is to obey unquestioningly and at all time.
14:55: That is the word the Scripture uses to describe believers. He is the master. His is to command.
15:01: Ours is to obey. In fact, the demand of the gospel is a call to self -denial, a command to be a slave of Jesus Christ, to die to ourselves.
15:11: The call of the gospel is not to add Jesus to an otherwise very fulfilling life so that you can get more enjoyment and fulfillment out of the activities that you are already involved in.
15:21: The demand of the gospel is to die. For us to be able to say, I've been crucified with Christ.
15:26: It's no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. And the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave
15:32: Himself for me. And that is not the confession or a description of a super saint. That's a description of you.
15:40: That is true of you. You've been crucified with Christ. Therefore the conclusion is, I no longer live,
15:45: He lives in me. My job as His slave, one purchased by His blood, is to live in obedience to Him.
15:51: It is in light of that statement in verse 18 that the commands in verse 19 naturally flow out of that.
15:58: Verse 19, go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the
16:04: Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
16:10: That therefore at the beginning of verse 19 is intended to tie it back to something else, and it's the statement at the end of verse 18, all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
16:20: And because that is true, you and I are to go, and this tells us that we are to, that there's a logical flow here.
16:26: We are to go out and to preach the gospel. And He commands us to go out into all the nations and to all the nations and make disciples of all the nations.
16:33: That's the commission. Now to obey this does not mean that you have to be a missionary, that you have to go to foreign lands, that you have to give up, sell everything here and have a radical love and go out to some gutter in Calcutta and wash the wounds of the sick.
16:47: That's not the idea. The idea is that you ought to have as a disciple of Christ preeminence in your mind the responsibility that I must take this gospel that has saved me to all people everywhere, and we must be intent on publishing, producing, promoting, funding, and sending the gospel as widely and as abundantly as we possibly can into all the nations.
17:12: It doesn't mean you have to be a foreign missionary, but it does mean you have to have at the top of your mind a mission, that I am here for a purpose.
17:18: My purpose is to make disciples. And having made disciples then, we are to baptize them. Now whenever we take the gospel into the far -reached nations of the world, or if we take the gospel into our workplace or into our family, into our home, to our neighborhood, wherever it is that we take the gospel and bring that message, in proclaiming the good news that the sovereign king of the universe has come to earth, take upon himself a human body, died in our place, and then rose again from the dead, and now he has ascended to heaven where he sits at the
17:46: Father's right hand, and all authority in heaven and earth has been given to him, and all the judgment of all men has been committed into his hands.
17:53: Therefore, you must repent and believe and come to him, and if you will not, you will perish. That's the message that we're called to proclaim.
17:59: When you go into all the nations, you proclaim that, something's going to happen. The Lord of the church is going to use the faithful proclamation of that message to draw his people, his sheep to himself, and they're going to become disciples, which means a follower of Christ.
18:12: The next step then is that we baptize them. Go make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the
18:17: Son and the Holy Spirit. Before we get on baptism, I want you to look at the last step. We are to teach them to observe all that he has commanded us.
18:25: And lo, he says, I am with you even to the end of the age. We are to teach them to obey the king, to observe what he has commanded.
18:34: We are proclaiming the good news of what the king has done. We are proclaiming the bad news of what is going to happen to those who, when the king returns, who are not in that king, and when people come to faith in him, we baptize them and then we teach them to be obedient to all that he has commanded, namely, to go out and to make other disciples.
18:51: And then when those disciples are made, we baptize them and teach them to make other disciples. And they make other disciples and we baptize them and we teach those to make other disciples.
19:00: And thus it reproduces itself and exponentially grows. And listen, if Jesus Christ has no authority, then he doesn't deserve our obedience.
19:07: That's very straightforward. If he has no authority, he doesn't deserve our obedience. But if he has authority, he deserves obedience to the degree of the authority that he has.
19:17: Does that make sense? If he has a little bit of authority, we give him a little bit of obedience in the things that he has authority over. But how much authority does he have?
19:24: All authority. Therefore, all obedience is due unto him because he is the king.
19:32: How long is this to go on? Look at Matthew 28, I'm with you always even to the end of the age.
19:38: There's no expiration date on this commission. Well, there is an expiration date, right? It's the end of the age. I'll let you know when we're at the end of the age, then we'll know when we can be done fulfilling and obeying this command.
19:49: Now what is baptism? Let's back up now to our third statement, go make disciples, go and make disciples and baptize them and then teach them.
19:58: Those are our four statements. There are four verbs, actions. The third one is baptizing them. That's the one we're going to focus on here this morning.
20:05: The word baptize in your New Testament, baptize and baptism, is not a translation of a
20:11: Greek word. It's not a translation. It's a transliteration of a Greek word. It's important that you understand the difference between a translation and a transliteration.
20:19: A translation is when we have one word in one language that we are going to translate into another word in another language, and we take the meaning of this word and we come over to this language and we say, what is the nearest equivalent to that, the meaning of that word, and let's make that word and translate it into that word.
20:36: So we have examples of this, our whole New Testament, most of our New Testament is an example of that very thing. It's a translation from Greek into English.
20:43: So for instance, when you come across the Greek word eirene, it means peace, P -E -A -C -E, peace with men, peace with God, peace between us,
20:50: I have peace, peace in my heart, that's the notion, eirene. That's a translation of the word eirene into an
20:56: English equivalent, which is peace. A transliteration is not a translation. A transliteration is when
21:01: I take a Greek word and I take the letters of that Greek word and I translate the letters of that Greek word and I create an
21:07: English word out of the letters of that Greek word that just shows the similarity of the sounds or the pronunciation. So the
21:13: Greek word that is translated as baptize or baptism is baptizo, baptizo, you can hear it, can't you?
21:19: You say, we took the B and we translated it into B and we took the A and we translated that into A and we just took the letters of this word and we transliterated it into the letters of this other word, so now we have a word that sounds the same and it has an
21:33: English pronunciation, but when I read the word baptism, it doesn't tell me anything about what the word means. You say, what does the original
21:39: Greek word baptism mean? Well, it means to baptize. That doesn't help me out at all, does it? No, so if we had just translated the word, we would instead translate it according to its meaning and an equivalent meaning for baptizo would be to dip, to plunge.
21:54: The best translation would be to immerse. That's what the word means. Not to dip, not to plunge, but to submerge something.
22:03: It was used of sinking something below the surface of water, drenching it, overwhelming it. It was generally used to describe something going under the surface of water and perishing like a ship suffering shipwreck or someone drowning in the water and perishing beneath it.
22:18: We might say that Pharaoh's army was baptized in the Red Sea. They were completely emerged and submerged beneath it, immersed in it under that judgment that came by meaning of… by way of the water.
22:31: They were overwhelmed by it and drowned in it. Now you say, Jim, can that word ever mean poor?
22:38: No. It can never mean poor. You know why? Because it doesn't mean poor. It means immerse.
22:45: There is a perfectly good word that every New Testament author could have used that could be translated poor, balo.
22:51: Very good Greek word. But no New Testament author uses the Greek word for poor to describe this.
22:58: They use baptizo, which means to immerse. You say, Jim, can the word ever refer to sprinkling?
23:04: Take some water and sprinkle it on somebody. No. This word means immerse, to plunge beneath.
23:10: There is a perfectly good Greek word that could have been used and often is in the New Testament translated as sprinkling, but that's not this word.
23:18: This word means to immerse. And if that Greek word had been translated instead of transliterated, it would have cleared up all kinds of confusion about what baptism is because we could just simply translate the word into English and read in Matthew 28, verse 19, go therefore, make disciples of all nations, immersing them in the name of the
23:40: Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I command you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
23:45: It means to immerse. And if we had translated it, that's what we would read. So a good translation when you read the
23:51: English word baptism is always to think in your mind immersion, plunging beneath something, not sprinkling, not pouring because the word doesn't mean that.
23:59: The word means immerse. So if you read baptism every time in the New Testament and you insert the word immerse there, you can't possibly go wrong.
24:07: And in some contexts, like Romans 6, which we'll get to here in just a minute, the idea of immersion is the only idea that even fits in that context, and it helps explain what
24:15: Paul's talking about when he says you have been baptized into the death of Christ. It means immersed.
24:21: Now what is a disciple immersed in? Our passage doesn't say this. Are we to be immersed in canola oil, motor oil, grape juice, or water?
24:32: We have to go to some other New Testament passages where baptism is played out, where baptism is practiced and see what it is that they immersed.
24:39: And it would be the case that if we went to other passages in the New Testament where people are baptized, if we understand it as immersion, then the language that is describing that baptism event would fit very well with the idea of immersion, and that is exactly what we find.
24:54: Mark chapter 1 verse 5, and all the country of Judea was going out to him, that's speaking of John the
24:59: Baptist, and the people of Jerusalem, and they were being immersed by him in the Jordan River confessing their sins.
25:05: They were being immersed by him in the Jordan River. Now baptism is by pouring or sprinkling.
25:12: You wouldn't need to be at the Jordan River, would you? Where could you be? By any water bottle in the land of Israel, you could be there.
25:19: And you could pour or you could immerse there. But instead, John baptized in the
25:25: Jordan, immersed in the Jordan River. Would it make sense to say that everybody went out to him at the
25:30: Jordan River and they went down into the Jordan River and then John sprinkled them? Or they went down into the Jordan River and then
25:36: John poured water on them? Would that make any sense? That wouldn't make any sense. But they went out to the Jordan River and John immersed them.
25:41: That makes sense. We see it in the baptism of Jesus. Mark 1 verses 9 and 10, in those days Jesus came from Nazareth and Galilee and was immersed by John in the
25:49: Jordan. Immediately coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opening and the spirit like a dove descending upon him.
25:57: The gospel of John describes John the Baptist's baptism this way, John 3 verse 23, John also was immersing in Anon near Salim because there was much water there and the people were coming and they were being immersed.
26:08: You say, Jim, why don't you translate it as baptized? Because that's not a translation. That's a transliteration. I'm translating it for you.
26:13: It means immersed. In all these examples, these places in Scripture where baptisms took place, the language fits immersion, not pouring and not sprinkling.
26:22: Another one, Acts chapter 8 verse 36, this is Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch and as they went along the road they came to some water and the eunuch said, look, water, what prevents me from being immersed?
26:33: It never seemed to occur to either Philip or the Ethiopian eunuch that they could just take some of the eunuch's drinking water and perform a baptism in the chariot out in the middle of the desert.
26:44: It wasn't until they came along to a body of water that the Ethiopian eunuch said, what prohibits me from being immersed?
26:54: That's the language. The text goes on to say, and he ordered the chariot to stop and they both went down into the water,
27:00: Philip as well as the eunuch, and he immersed him. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched
27:05: Philip away. So what does baptism mean? The meaning of the word is immersed. Not sprinkling, not pouring, not dancing around somebody with incense.
27:15: It means one thing. It means immersion. That's what the word means. And if we've read
27:21: Scripture in terms of what that word means, a lot of the misunderstanding about baptism would immediately dissipate.
27:28: Second, what does baptism symbolize? Baptism by immersion symbolizes, well, hold on a second.
27:34: Baptism by immersion, is that not the most redundant redundancy ever redundated? What did I just say?
27:41: I just said immersion by immersion, didn't I? That's right. But immersion itself, we should say, symbolizes something profoundly glorious that takes place and is true of us in the spiritual realm.
27:58: Immersion pictures a spiritual reality, a reality that is used to, sorry, a reality that is described using the very same word, baptizo, or immersion, in Romans 6, verses 3 and 4, which we read at the beginning of the service.
28:13: Or do you not know that all of us who have been immersed into Christ Jesus have been immersed into His death?
28:19: Therefore, we have been buried with Him through immersion into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the
28:25: Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. You have been sprinkled into His death?
28:32: You have been poured into His death? Or you have been plunged beneath His death?
28:38: It means plunged beneath. You have been immersed in Him. You have been subsumed in Him.
28:45: You're placed under Him. You are placed in Him. That is what is being described in that passage. So that His death is your death.
28:52: So that His resurrection is your resurrection. So that His perfect life is your perfect life. So that His being ascended to the right hand of the
29:00: Father is you being seated in heavenly places with Him. So that all that is true of Him becomes true of you.
29:06: So that everything that He did can be credited to your account. The only way that that can happen is if you, by faith, are immersed into Him, subsumed under Him.
29:15: So that He covers you. So that His death is yours. That is what Paul is describing in Colossians chapter 2 verse 12, having been buried with Him in immersion, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God who raised
29:28: Him from the dead. You have been buried with Him in immersion. 1 Corinthians 12 verse 13, for by one
29:33: Spirit we are all immersed into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we have been made to drink of one
29:39: Spirit. Galatians 3, 27, for all of you who were immersed into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
29:45: How are we immersed in Him? The Spirit of God. This is the work of the Spirit of God in applying the work of the
29:51: Son by the predestining grace of the Father, applying the work of the
29:56: Son to us. He takes us and He plunges us into Jesus Christ. So that we, in terms of God's wrath and judgment, and in terms of our accomplishments, we're dead.
30:08: We have ceased to exist. So then the Father pours out the wrath on the Son and raises the
30:13: Son from the dead and exalts Him to His right hand. And guess who takes that journey with Him?
30:19: Because we're plunged into Him. You and I do. It is the work of the Spirit to do that. We're plunged into Him, submerged into Him, so that His work becomes accredited to our account.
30:31: So then, what is pictured in water baptism? First, our immersion into Jesus Christ, the fact that we are placed in Him and submerged in Him.
30:39: Second, because we have been submerged into Him, we have been immersed into His death and to His resurrection. We're put under His death.
30:46: We're put into and under His resurrection. Going under the water is a picture of us being buried with Him.
30:51: That's the language of Romans 6. And coming out of the water is a picture of us being resurrected and raised to newness of life. And again, that is the language of Romans 6.
30:58: But that's not all. Being submerged or immersed or plunged into, dipped under, whatever word you want to use, is also… that word or immersion pictures us being plunged, immersed under the waters of judgment.
31:16: There is an element of judgment that is pictured in our immersion in Jesus Christ. We all die because of sin.
31:22: Death is the curse for sin. Death is the penalty of sin. And every gravestone, every casket, every dead corpse is a reminder that we live in a sin -cursed and fallen world, and that because we have sinned, we all deserve death.
31:34: And physical death is what we will all suffer through. The grave is a symbol of that, and the imagery of water helps picture that judgment.
31:42: The world perished in a worldwide flood. It all died except for eight men and women who were on board
31:47: Noah's Ark. Pharaoh's army met a judgment in floodwaters as the waters consumed them in the
31:53: Red Sea. Even Jonah being swallowed by the giant fish and going down into the heart of the sea is likened to death, not only in the book of Jonah, but by the
32:01: Lord Jesus Himself, who used Jonah as a prophetic picture of His own death and resurrection. And so going underneath the waters is akin to or is a symbol of going into and under and suffering through death on our behalf.
32:15: Wayne Grudem makes this point in his theology text, quote, therefore those who go down into the waters of baptism really are going down into the waters of judgment and death, a death that they deserve from God for their sins.
32:27: When they come back up out of the waters of baptism, it shows that they have come safely through God's judgment only because of the merits of Jesus Christ with whom they are united in His death and resurrection.
32:38: And this is why Peter can say in 1 Peter chapter 3 verse 21 that baptism corresponds to the saving of Noah and his family from the waters of judgment in the flood.
32:47: There is a picture of judgment. When we take somebody and we plunge them beneath the waters, we are saying they are going under in death, they are judged, and they are coming out of this not because of their own merits, their own right standing, not because of their own works, but because somebody else has suffered this death, this burial, and has been raised on their behalf.
33:06: And this person, because they're immersed in Christ, we now immerse as a picture of their immersion, and we bring them up as we're out of judgment.
33:16: And baptism is the opportunity for God's people, His disciples, to portray in the physical realm exactly what is true of them in the spiritual realm.
33:23: This brings us to the third question then, who should be baptized? Our text answers that, Matthew chapter 28, go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing everyone.
33:33: Does it say that? Baptizing infants? It doesn't say that. Who do we baptize?
33:39: Disciples. We make disciples, we baptize disciples, we train disciples. To make disciples, and baptize disciples, and train disciples.
33:47: To make disciples, and baptize disciples, and train disciples. That's what we are called to do. Followers of Christ should be baptized.
33:56: We make disciples by evangelism, and then we baptize those disciples. And since immersion is done as a demonstration of our immersion in Jesus Christ, it makes sense that we would not immerse those who have not been immersed in Jesus Christ.
34:10: We do not want to immerse in water those who have never been placed by the Spirit of God into the body of Christ or into the work of Christ.
34:17: So we don't baptize unbelievers. We don't baptize people because we hope to get them saved.
34:23: We don't baptize people because they might get saved or because we're in the process of evangelizing them.
34:29: We don't baptize people to make them members of a church or a denomination. We don't baptize people in order to increase giving, to save them, or to make them disciples.
34:37: We make them disciples and then we baptize them. That's the order. We don't baptize people because we really strongly believe that someday they will get saved.
34:46: We baptize believers. That is the order of the command in Matthew 28, and that is in fact what we see happening in the book of Acts.
34:55: In the examples of baptism, let me give you a few more. Acts 8, verse 12 says, when they believed
35:00: Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God in the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized men and women alike.
35:07: In Acts 2, verse 41, so then those who had received his word, that is Peter's word at the preaching of Pentecost, those who had received his word, the implication there is
35:17: Luke means believed the gospel, they were baptized and that day added about 3 ,000. When Peter went and preached the gospel to the household of Cornelius in Acts chapter 10, we read this in verse 44, while Peter was still speaking these words, the
35:30: Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed because the gift of the
35:37: Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, surely no one can refuse water for these to be immersed who have received the
35:47: Holy Spirit just as we did, can he? And he ordered them to be immersed in the name of Jesus Christ. Of course there
35:53: I'm using the term immersion instead of baptism. Why? Because that's what baptism means. Paul was baptized after he became a believer, and Ananias came to him and laid hands on him.
36:02: Acts 9 verse 18 says, immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales and he regained his sight and he got up and he was immersed.
36:08: Acts 16 verse 14, a woman named Lydia from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening and the
36:15: Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul and when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us saying, if you have judged me to be faithful to the
36:23: Lord, come into my house and stay and she prevailed upon us. Now, at this point, someone will make reference or point to the use of the word household and say that if Lydia was baptized, she and her whole household, her household must have included small children or infants.
36:37: That is an assumption because the text does not say that. We don't build doctrine off of assumptions.
36:43: It just says simply that she and her household were baptized. It says specifically that she believed, but it does not say that people there who did not believe were baptized.
36:54: And given the fact that Luke all the way through the gospel, his pattern is to show that those who believed were baptized, it is special pleading at best, it's special pleading to suggest or assume that there were infants and small children present when
37:08: Paul preached the gospel to Lydia and that only she believed, but that Paul went around and baptized a whole bunch of children and infants, a special pleading at best because that is not how
37:17: Luke describes the incident. He said the Holy Spirit opened her heart. She responded to the things spoken by Paul and she and her whole household were baptized.
37:25: That's Luke's way of describing that Paul baptized all those in her household who also, like Lydia, responded to the things spoken by Paul.
37:32: We have another example of household baptism in Acts chapter 16 verse 32, and they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house.
37:39: They spoke the word of the Lord to all who were in his house. He took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds and immediately he was immersed, he and all his household.
37:47: His whole household was immersed. Why? Because Paul spoke the gospel to his whole household. Did Paul sit down and explain the gospel to infants?
37:54: No, he did not. Did Paul sit down and explain the gospel to really small children? I don't think that he did. He explained the gospel to the
37:59: Philippian jailer and his wife and his family, whatever it was, and all those who were able to receive that word and believe it,
38:04: Paul then baptized them. A third example of household baptism is Acts 18 verse 8. Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the
38:11: Lord with all his household. How many people in Crispus' house were baptized? All of them because how many of them believed the word of the
38:16: Lord? All of them did. That's Luke's pattern all the way through. The command is to make disciples and to baptize disciples.
38:24: The pattern that we see in the book of Acts is that they made disciples and then they baptized disciples. I've baptized households.
38:30: I've never baptized an infant. But see, in order to get infant baptism into the scriptures, we have to assume that infants were present in baptism.
38:37: One does not say that. I have baptized households. I have never, never baptized an infant. If you have a husband and wife came here and started coming to our church and they got saved, and I baptized both of them, we'd say that I baptized the entire household.
38:51: Or if a man and a woman and their two teenage sons or adult children all started coming here and I baptized them, you could say
38:56: I baptized the entire household without ever baptizing an infant. So we don't shoehorn infant baptism into scriptures because there's reference to entire households being baptized.
39:05: So who should be baptized? Believers. Believers. That's the answer to the question.
39:10: Who should be baptized? Believers should be baptized. What about infants? They're not believers. They're not disciples.
39:17: We may hope that they are someday. We may pray for them to become disciples someday. We may preach the gospel to them and present the truth of Scripture to them in hopes that God will regenerate them and bring them to faith in Him so that they are disciples someday, but we don't baptize unbelievers.
39:30: There's no command in Scripture to baptize infants, none, and there's not a single example in all of Scripture of an infant or a small child being baptized.
39:38: We are commanded to baptize disciples, and that is it. And we have examples of disciples being baptized.
39:46: So we baptize people based upon a credible profession of faith in Jesus Christ.
39:53: Every word of that is important. We baptize people based upon a credible profession of faith in Jesus Christ.
39:58: Does that guarantee that I will never, ever baptize an unbeliever? It doesn't. I baptize unbelievers because I don't have the ability to read their minds or their hearts.
40:07: I can't see where they are at. You hear a profession of faith. You interview them. You quiz them. You interview them. And yeah, they seem to be believers.
40:12: They seem to produce fruit in their lives for a period of time. Listen, I can guarantee you that almost every apostate who was ever apostatized was baptized.
40:20: So there are all kinds of people who are baptized who unfortunately are not believers. It's never a guarantee that we will never baptize a false convert, but I would never, never knowingly baptize an unbeliever, nor would
40:32: I ever knowingly baptize somebody whom I had reasonable suspicion regarding their salvation on a credible profession of faith in Jesus Christ.
40:42: I think it was John MacArthur whom I first heard make this statement that in evangelical churches today, we have a horrible, a horrible thing that plagues us in evangelicalism, namely that we have millions of baptized unbelievers in the church and millions of unbaptized believers in the church.
41:02: This is the polar opposite of what should be the case. Millions of baptized unbelievers, how do we get that?
41:10: We get that first, well, one of the reasons we get that is because we do have within evangelical circles people who baptize infants, which infants grow up, never make a credible profession of faith in Christ, sometimes walk away from the church, but yes, they have been baptized.
41:24: And I'm using the word baptized there not in its meaning that we find in Scripture as in immersion, biblical baptism, but I'm using baptized there in the sense of what typically evangelicals would use the term baptism to describe.
41:36: Another reason is because we have people who step into the baptismal tank in seeker -sensitive churches and doctrinally weak churches who could never, if their life depended on it, give a credible testimony as to how they got saved or what they got saved from or even who saved them.
41:51: But instead, because they felt emotionally warmed during a sermon or a service sometime or a camp meeting, they came forward and they signed a box or signed a card and checked a box and they prayed a prayer and they felt really alive in the
42:03: Spirit or because all their friends were getting baptized and they thought it was the thing to do, so they jump into the baptismal tank and we have seeker -sensitive churches all over the country who baptize people by the thousands each and every
42:13: Sunday, people who cannot even begin to explain the gospel to you or what it means, what the death of Christ has done and why it is credited to their account.
42:22: They can't possibly explain that because they've never heard the gospel, they don't understand the gospel. There's not enough of the gospel presented in some of those churches to even for the elect to even…they're not elect to reject, it's just not even present.
42:32: But they're getting baptized and then they think that they're good to go. Or you have even in Baptist churches, and yes, this happens in all of the
42:40: Baptist churches that I listed at the beginning of this message, you have Baptist churches where children who are not even old enough to spell the name of Jesus, let alone give any kind of a credible explanation as to what
42:49: He has done on their behalf and why they're trusting in Him, who are rushed into the waters at baptism, and they're baptized at the ages of three or four or five or six years old.
42:58: That's an event that those kids are not even going to remember when they get to be adults. And yet because their parents have prayed a prayer with them, and these children who can do this at the age of three or four have repeated after their parents in praying this prayer, and then they conform their lives outwardly to the demands of a
43:14: Christian household and life in a church, then they are rushed into the waters of baptism by overzealous parents who just want to seal the deal.
43:21: And so we have millions of baptized unbelievers that litter the church landscape because this has been so wrongly handled and so abused.
43:30: And then we have, unfortunately, millions of unbaptized believers who refuse to or don't want to or deny getting baptized for whatever reason.
43:42: And the answer to both of these extremes is to do things, two things. Number one, to strongly encourage believers to get baptized, and then to withhold baptism from people who cannot give you a credible testimony of their saving faith.
43:55: Now with those principles in place, and with that biblical teaching and precedents established, let's answer a few questions.
44:01: How old should somebody be before they're baptized? It's a very good question. It's one of the most difficult questions to answer. It is also one of the most frequently asked questions.
44:08: I have a child who prayed the prayer at night after family devotions, they're six years old, should we baptize them?
44:14: It's a difficult question. Listen, any...here's
44:19: the answer to it. They should be old enough to give you a credible, intelligent, serious explanation of why it is that they should be baptized.
44:29: They should be old enough to do that. To know what it is about the work of Christ that applies to them, and how it is that they participate in that, and some understanding of sin and what has happened in a spiritual transaction, they should be able to articulate that.
44:45: If they cannot articulate it, the odds on favor is that they cannot understand it either. They should be able to give some sort of a credible articulation of that.
44:54: God can regenerate somebody at a young age, I don't deny that. Four years old, five years old, six years old,
44:59: God can do a regenerating work in people, I'm not denying that. But the proof of that regeneration, the evidence of it, the significance of it, may take a while to manifest itself in children, particularly those who are raised in Christian homes.
45:13: Because it's very easy for a child to conform themselves outwardly to the demands of a
45:19: Christian family and to a Christian environment that they are immersed in all the time. But once they get into high school and college and out of the home, then the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life becomes appealing to them.
45:31: Then you begin to see, is this faith real? Is God keeping them? Or are they going out from us because they were never really of us?
45:40: So I think a good rule of thumb, and this is the rule of thumb we use here at Kootenai, a good rule of thumb is middle to upper teens.
45:47: As a parent, I would not want to give consent to have my child baptized until I am convinced that they are believers in Jesus Christ and that the regenerating work of the
45:57: Spirit of God has taken place in their heart. I want to be convinced of that because I do not want to give a false assurance to my child that they were baptized before that has happened.
46:05: So I want to be convinced of that before I would baptize or give consent to one of my children being baptized. With younger children, children who are younger, they are going to see people coming up here and getting into the stage and getting wet and then people applauding for them afterwards and everybody is excited and they think, hey, why can't
46:21: I jump in the tub? A five -year -old kid, how come I can't get wet in front of everybody? Everybody applaud me like that. You don't know what's going on in their head.
46:28: And so we have had circumstances where we've even had teenagers who have come to us as elders for baptism and we've sat down and we have interviewed them and then we have said to them,
46:36: I think it's good that you wait another year. Why don't you wait until next year and let's have this conversation again? We want to make sure that they understand what it is that they are doing.
46:44: Committing oneself to Jesus Christ is not described in childish terms. It's described in adult -ish terms.
46:52: Dying to yourself, counting the cost, being willing to die, living for others.
46:58: I no longer live, it's Christ who lives in me. Count the cost before you build a tower. Count the cost before you go to war.
47:04: Count the cost before you sign up to die, if possible, for Jesus Christ. This is adult language.
47:10: It's not child language. It's not just believe. Yeah, just believe. Just say the prayer. Just read the prayer. Check the box, whatever it is.
47:15: That's not how conversion is described in Scripture. In the early church, in the first century, when you were baptized, you might as well signed your own death warrant because you were saying,
47:23: I belong to those people. Those people are hated. People are coming after those people, but I want to be part of those people. It was doing what
47:28: Moses did, right? Considering the reproach of Christ, greater riches than the treasures of Egypt.
47:36: Does a five -year -old understand that? I don't think they do. Second question.
47:43: What if I was baptized as an infant? Were you a believer?
47:49: No. Whose faith resulted in you being baptized? Your faith or your parents' faith?
47:55: Your parents' faith. They did something in faith to you. You got wet.
48:02: That ceremony that you participated in as a passive recipient of that ceremony had nothing to do with your own immersion in Jesus Christ or your own understanding of your immersion in Jesus Christ.
48:15: So you were not baptized and you need to be immersed as a believer. You got wet as a child, but that ceremony was an expression of your parents' faith and not your faith.
48:24: It was an expression of their hope that you would become a believer. It was not an expression of your testimony as a believer.
48:32: Third question. What if I got baptized and then
48:38: I became a believer? I went forward, I got baptized, I had no idea what I was doing.
48:43: My friends were doing it. It was an exciting time in our life. It kind of marked a new beginning. My parents really wanted me to get baptized.
48:49: It wasn't until just a couple of years ago that I finally came to saving faith in Jesus Christ and was actually regenerated.
48:55: Should I get re -baptized? No. You should not get re -baptized. You should get baptized.
49:01: That was not a baptism. Nobody should ever get re -baptized. There's only one baptism and you do it once.
49:07: So no, you don't get re -baptized, you get baptized. I had a friend whom I baptized to. I was the third guy to baptize him.
49:14: He got baptized in the Mormon church because he was there and he was interested in marrying the person. He had to get baptized in the
49:20: Mormon church in order to be married there, so he was baptized as a Mormon. Then he came to understand that Mormonism is a cult, which it is.
49:26: He left the Mormon church, came into the Lutheran church in order to become a member of the Lutheran church. He had to be baptized in the Lutheran church, so he got baptized.
49:31: Left the Lutheran church, became a believer, came to Christ, came to Kootenai, and so I baptized him as a believer.
49:38: Did I re -baptize him? No, I baptized him. I immersed him because none of those previous two were legitimate or biblical baptisms.
49:47: Fourth question, what if I am a believer and I have never been baptized? Have I got good news for you.
49:55: Four weeks from today, we are going to have a baptism service here. This is your opportunity to be baptized.
50:02: And I know the reasons that we give for not being baptized. I've heard them all. I've answered them all.
50:08: Here's a couple of them. Jim, it's been so long since I trusted Christ. I didn't get baptized immediately.
50:15: Things happened. Kids came. Life happened. It's been 20 years. I got saved when I was in my 20s.
50:21: Here I am in my 40s. It's just been a long time. It's just, it's never pointless to obey, is it?
50:32: Late obedience is better than no obedience, so be baptized. Or some will say, it's kind of a ridiculous thing to do, to go forward, to get wet, to be plunged beneath the water.
50:42: That seems a bit silly. It's not silly once you understand the significance of it. Then it becomes beautiful. It's a beautiful thing when we understand the significance of it.
50:50: It's not silly at all. To demonstrate before men and women and your church body that you have been plunged into Jesus Christ, come through the judgment, and out of that into newness of life, and to testify to that reality in front of God's people is a beautiful thing.
51:09: It is not silly at all. Third, well, I don't want to get up in front of people and do this.
51:16: My salvation is between me and the Lord. It's a private thing. You're right, it is a private thing, and you're right, it is between you and your
51:24: Lord who commands you to be baptized in front of people. So it's a command.
51:32: We are to do this until the end of the age. Why would you withhold that grace from your brothers and sisters in Christ of standing up and having them rejoice with you in your proclamation of the truth of the gospel to your brothers and sisters in Christ who are here?
51:47: You're not getting baptized in front of a hostile crowd. You're getting baptized in front of people who will be weeping with joy with you over what it is that you're proclaiming to them has become true of you.
51:58: Or fourth, I just don't believe that baptism is for today or it is for Gentiles.
52:04: It is for today because there is no expiration date on the command to make disciples, to baptize them, and to teach them to observe all that He has commanded.
52:12: There's no expiration date on that. Therefore, it is for today. And it's not just for Jews. It was not just a Jewish ordinance.
52:18: That is why Cornelius, a Gentile, was baptized, the Ethiopian eunuch who was also a Gentile, he was baptized.
52:23: The pattern in the New Testament is both Jews and Gentiles were baptized by the apostle to the
52:29: Jews and by the apostle to the Gentiles. Therefore, it is not just uniquely a Jewish ordinance. So where do we go from here?
52:37: What do we do now? We have a baptism class coming up in two weeks on August 14th. This will give you the opportunity to go over some of these truths again, to ask any questions.
52:47: About baptism that you may have. And then on August 28th, a normal worship service on a Sunday morning is going to be a baptismal service.
52:54: And if you would like to obey the Lord and believe His baptism, then I would encourage you, I would implore you to come and talk to one of the elders and tell us you'll be at the baptism class.
53:03: And then after the baptism class, in that two -week interim, we want to sit down and talk with you to have an interview with you about how it is that you came to saving faith to make sure that according to the best that we can tell, that you have a credible testimony of your salvation in Jesus Christ.
53:16: And then we will rejoice with you by baptizing you on August 28th. You'll have an opportunity at that service to share your testimony with people, to explain to them what it is the
53:27: Lord has done in your life and to proclaim your fealty and love and adoration for Him in front of all of God's people who will be gathered here on that weekend.
53:35: So we ought to be baptized as believers, not only because we love the
53:41: Lord and we want to do what is obedient to Him and we want to obey Him in all things, but we ought to be baptized because He has commanded us to be baptized.
53:50: As silly as it might look to us, as ridiculous as it looks in the eyes of the world, no matter how long it has been, no matter what our traditions are, no matter what it is that we have thought in the past, the teaching of Scripture is very clear.
54:02: We make disciples, we baptize disciples, we teach disciples. And so we baptize in obedience to the
54:07: Lord's commands and it should be the joy and delight of our hearts to obey the
54:14: Lord and to follow Him in that act of baptism. So I would ask you, command you, as Christ does, to follow the
54:23: Lord in believer's baptism if you have not been baptized. Let's pray. Father, it is a beautiful picture of the gospel and the truths of the gospel that is portrayed in the act of baptism.
54:34: Your word is clear. It has called us and commanded us to make disciples, to baptize those disciples, and then to train them.
54:42: And we pray that you would do the work in our hearts of encouraging us and motivating us in our obedience. Conform us to the image of Christ and crush our resistance to these truths if there is any here.
54:53: And we pray that our hearts would leap at the opportunity of proclaiming before men, before a world, that we owe our salvation and our escape from judgment to the one who has suffered all of that on our behalf.
55:07: We pray that we would do so out of hearts filled with love and joy and affection for a
55:13: Savior who has purchased us by His own blood. We pray this in the name of Christ. Amen. Okay, dear ones.
55:19: Well, I hope you enjoyed that sermon. I have watched it twice, almost twice, through now.
55:25: And I wanted to get Jim on here to answer a couple of questions, just a little follow -up about his sermon.
55:33: So, Jim, thank you for coming on to the program. How are things in Northern Idaho? They're beautiful.
55:39: You don't know what you're missing. Oh, yeah, I do. Well, you do know what you're missing, don't you? I do know what I'm missing.
55:45: Yes, I do. Yes, I do. All right. Well, Jim, you touched on this a little bit at the very beginning of your sermon.
55:52: You talked about, you know, how the church has grown and we could do one of a few things.
55:58: We could expand this building, we could add another building, or you could preach on something that is almost guaranteed to make some people mad and runs folks out so you have more room.
56:08: So how, what made you, you're preaching through Hebrews and you have been for what, four years now,
56:15: Bob? Yeah. Yeah. Since 2017. Five years. Okay. So, and so you're marching through Hebrews.
56:23: What made you want to take a little break from Hebrews and deal with baptism? How did this come about?
56:29: Well, every year our church has had a baptism service that we've done in conjunction with a camp out that we do down by the river.
56:36: And it's just been kind of a convenient time to have a baptismal service at the end of a potluck that we do there on Saturday afternoon.
56:43: This year we didn't have a camp out so we, because we couldn't use that campground. So the elders, we decided that we should have a baptism service sort of to replace that.
56:53: So we scheduled it for the end of August and I was talking to a gentleman in our church and told him, you know, our baptism service is just going to be a, basically a short message about the nature of baptism before we baptize people.
57:06: And then we're going to have a baptism after that in our church building. And he said, would you consider doing a whole message on just the subject of baptism?
57:16: That way, if people who have not been baptized feel convicted that they should get baptized, you give them an outlet to obey.
57:24: You give them a chance to be obedient to that rather than have, forcing them to wait another year or however long it's going to be before we do a baptism service again.
57:33: And I said, yeah, that's a really good idea. And so I decided to do a sermon just on the subject of baptism for that very reason.
57:42: Just to kind of, it's two weeks before our baptism class and then two weeks later we'll have the baptism service.
57:48: So that gives an opportunity for me to preach on the nature of baptism and really get people to think about, should
57:54: I be baptized? Have I been baptized? What is the nature of baptism? And give the spirit an opportunity to kind of convict people who haven't been baptized to get baptized.
58:05: Yeah, yeah, indeed. And apparently that is exactly what has happened, right?
58:11: The spirit used that and has moved in the hearts of some of the some of the saints there.
58:16: And tell us a little bit about the feedback that you've, so have you, do you think you're going to decrease the number of people attending on a
58:24: Sunday morning or what's what's been the fallout? We haven't had anybody leave over that issue, which is fine.
58:32: I don't know that that's going to decrease attendance. We do have, because we are a church with some reformed soteriology,
58:40: I'm not reformed in terms of my eschatology. I don't baptize infants, which you can tell from the from the sermon,
58:46: I'm not in the infant baptism. But we do have a number of people in our congregation who believe in infant baptism and practice it and probably wish that I would baptize their infants.
58:57: We have a number of people who have grown up in in infant Baptist backgrounds and were baptized as infants and have not been baptized as believers.
59:07: So we have a few folks like that here. We draw from a very eclectic blend of people from various backgrounds.
59:15: And so. The response to the sermon has been a little varied.
59:20: There's some people who said that in my sermon, I didn't give enough Old Testament references in the baptism sermon.
59:29: And my response to that is because baptism is all over the Old Testament. And of course, it's not you and I both know it's not other than Pharaoh's army being baptized in the
59:39: Red Sea and an ax head being baptized by Elisha. There's no references to baptism anywhere in the
59:45: Old Testament. Right, right. But of course, they want you to make the connection with circumcision and to infant baptism, which
59:51: I don't believe is a legitimate connection. So I don't go into the Old Testament when talking about baptism. I had one gentleman who is a
01:00:00: Pato Baptist who comes from an immersion Baptist background, and he wrote me a very kind letter and said, you know,
01:00:09: I am I was where you are at theologically. You didn't convince me. But he said, I'm glad that the
01:00:14: Lord has put us at Kootenai and I'm thankful that you preached with passion because there's a lot of people here that probably needed to hear that.
01:00:20: So thank you for doing what you do. And he was very gracious. In fact, he said, we're not leaving over this issue because anybody who would need to check their heart.
01:00:28: So he's grateful to be here, even though he and I would disagree on that issue. Yeah, yeah.
01:00:33: Wife came up to me after before church on Sunday and she said, I just want you to know that my husband and I have both been dumped.
01:00:41: And she said, even though right now we were sprinkling, we've both been dumped. And I said, that's I totally understand that in a church this size, there's bound to be backsliders.
01:00:50: So that was one that was one response. But then we have had a couple of people who, well, several people,
01:00:58: I should say, who have begun to sort of analyze in the chronology of their own lives when it was that they trusted
01:01:07: Christ and when it was that they were baptized. Because we have people who have been baptized as children in Baptist churches, which
01:01:15: I talk about in the message. And then later on, they have an experience where their faith becomes real or they're there.
01:01:23: They suddenly realize that what sin is. And now they're starting to say, well, even though I was a kid and I was baptized,
01:01:31: I really was trusting in Jesus as I understood that. But was I saved? So they've had to rethink to rethink that.
01:01:38: Do I need to get baptized again? And I've just told them, look, it's good for you to do that conversion math and figure out what happened first and whether you should.
01:01:48: It's good to think that through. When was I truly saved? When, if any time, can I pinpoint a time when
01:01:54: I know that the Lord regenerated me, when I know I was regenerated? For me in my conversion story, which some of the folks that have watched you and I talk in the past, they know that conversion story.
01:02:05: For me, it was it just was a market time when my entire world went from black and white to technicolor.
01:02:11: And I understand I understood the gospel and I know right when I was saved in my life.
01:02:19: I don't remember exact day of the week or the day on the calendar, but I remember the moment itself.
01:02:25: Right. Right. Some people don't have that conversion story to them. They go to a Christian home and then they got they got baptized and then their faith became real or their faith was real and they got baptized and those begin to blur.
01:02:37: So a lot of people have had to sort of sort through that. And I've just been encouraging them to go ahead and do that.
01:02:43: And and then we've had some people who have never been baptized as believers. They know it. They know that they were baptized as an unbeliever and it was years ago and now they've become convinced that they need to be baptized.
01:02:55: So we have a number of those who will be attending the baptism class this Sunday. Yeah, excellent.
01:03:00: Excellent. One of them, actually, as a guy, you know, he was baptized in 1986 when he was 11 years old and he walked away from the
01:03:10: Lord after he became a teenager. And he got saved rather recently, actually, when he started coming to Kootenai, that's when the
01:03:18: Lord regenerated and he said, I've been thinking about this for a couple of years. And he said, I've just come to the conviction that I was not that I was not saved when
01:03:25: I was baptized back in 1986. So I need to get baptized. Amen, amen.
01:03:31: And you said in your sermon, you quoted John MacArthur, who said that our churches, evangelical churches are filled with unbaptized believers and baptized unbelievers.
01:03:45: Yeah. So people who have been baptized, but they're not truly regenerate.
01:03:51: But then you've got this whole other and that's that's millions. But then you've got this whole other swath of of Christians who are genuine
01:03:59: Christians, but they were baptized and probably even submerged, you know, that kind of, you know, the right biblical mode.
01:04:10: But it happened when they were five, six, seven, eight years old in a Southern Baptist church after vacation Bible school.
01:04:16: And it wasn't a real conversion. But then later in life, later in their teen years, maybe in their 20s, maybe in their 30s, they were genuinely converted and they're real
01:04:29: Christians now. They are sheep who have been called to the shepherd, yet they haven't experienced biblical baptism.
01:04:36: They're they're still looking back. Well, I was baptized when I was, you know, six, seven, eight years old, but they haven't experienced believers baptism.
01:04:46: And and so those folks I wrote about that and in my book, not that this is videos a plug for my book at all, but I wrote about that and it's it's a very real thing.
01:04:55: And happily, Jim, by God's grace, you had a very special person come up to you, right, and express those sentiments.
01:05:05: Yeah. So I will be close to you. Yeah, I'll be honest about a mistake that I made years ago.
01:05:11: This would be 13 to 15 years ago. Now, I baptized my two oldest children way too early.
01:05:18: They were both 10 years old when I when they got baptized and, you know, our our desire was not to be disobedient or to rush them into the waters of baptism, but just there was a credible profession of faith.
01:05:31: And so we went ahead and baptized them and they both had expressed an interest in being baptized. So we baptized my daughter when she was 10 and then a couple of years later, my son, when he was 10 and my son after the message on on that Sunday on baptism, my son has said to me,
01:05:49: I think I would like to be baptized. He said, I'm convinced I was not a believer when I was 10 years old and I was baptized.
01:05:54: So my son, who is now 23, I think it is 22, 23, 23, 24, maybe.
01:06:04: Anyway, he wants to be baptized. He wants to be baptized, not rebaptized, but baptized as a believer.
01:06:11: He's convinced that he got saved in his teenage years. And that's when the Lord did that saving work.
01:06:17: And so he's going to be baptized as well. And this is this is something I mean, I've talked about this privately before, but I have shared with people
01:06:28: I made the mistake of baptizing my kids when they were young. And if I could go back and do it again, my two kids, my first two kids, if I could go back and do it again,
01:06:36: I would have waited four or five more years before baptizing. I said in the sermon, middle to late teens and by middle,
01:06:44: I don't mean 13, I'm talking 15, 16 at the earliest, I think is when you should consider doing that.
01:06:50: And I think that there needs to be a real credible profession of faith in Christ.
01:06:56: And we have had people that we have told we think that they're too young to be baptized and we've turned them away.
01:07:01: And sometimes that offends parents. But look, I've said before, I said in the sermon,
01:07:07: I would rather not give my children a false assurance of their salvation. I want them to know that they are genuinely saved before we baptize them and give them that ordinance.
01:07:18: Yeah, indeed. Indeed. Yeah, because one of the one of the fruits of regeneration is an ability to stand up to persecution and temptation, real temptation, you know, and what are you going to attempt to six year old with, you know, not not to clean his room, you know,
01:07:37: I mean, what kind of temptation does a six year old really face? And, you know, how can they understand that?
01:07:42: So, but once you add 10 years to that age, when they're teenagers and they're faced with temptations like alcohol, drugs, sex, you know, pornography, all that kind of stuff, then see how they do, you know, then see how they hold up to that.
01:08:03: And, and you'll have a much better feel for it. So, right. Yeah. All right.
01:08:10: Well, Jim, thank you for your sermon, brother. That was, that's probably the best, most comprehensive, you know, single sermon on baptism
01:08:18: I've heard. Maybe, maybe not. Well, if you think that you need to get out more. Well, you packed a lot into that 52 minutes or whatever it was.
01:08:28: It was hard. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. But, but you did a good job and, and thank you, brother.
01:08:34: And I hope this will come in from you. Well, it's, it's heartfelt. It's heartfelt.
01:08:40: And you have a website. I think most people watching my YouTube channel are at least somewhat familiar with you, but jimosman .com
01:08:47: and you've written four books now and a fifth one is in the works, right? Yeah.
01:08:53: Yep. Okay. Can you give us a sneak peek on what that is? Yeah. The fifth book that's in the works is titled
01:08:59: God doesn't try and it's a defense of the sovereignty of God. We're making the case that God doesn't try to do anything because to try something implies the possibility of failure and since God cannot fail due to a lack of knowledge, wisdom, or power, he therefore does not try anything.
01:09:13: Everything the Lord intends to do. He does. So God doesn't try to save people.
01:09:18: He doesn't try to sanctify them. He doesn't try to direct them. He doesn't try to build his kingdom. He doesn't try to build his church.
01:09:24: He doesn't try to establish his kingdom. It doesn't try to execute justice. God does. He either does or he doesn't, but he doesn't try.
01:09:31: So God is not attempting to do anything. He, everything he desires to do, he accomplishes. And if he does not desire to do it, he is not doing it.
01:09:39: That's right. Amen. If he doesn't accomplish it, he never intended to do it in the first place.
01:09:45: Nope. And he never tried because he can't fail because he cannot fail. There are things that God cannot do.
01:09:51: And, and fail is one of them. God cannot, he cannot lie, cannot sin, cannot deny himself.
01:09:58: He cannot fail. So God doesn't try. All right. Sneak peek of, uh, things to come.
01:10:05: Good things to come. So, um, Jim, thanks again, brother. Appreciate it. Thank you, Justin. All right.
01:10:12: Okay. Dear ones. Well, if you find yourself in the neck of the woods of Northern Idaho, and you're looking for a good church, uh,
01:10:19: Kootenai community church, Sandpoint, Idaho, and, uh, if you're up there for vacation and just want to go worship on a
01:10:25: Sunday, maybe, uh, look them up. Jim Osmond .com and all of his books are available there.
01:10:32: So Jim Osmond .com. Thank you very much. Dear ones. Thank you for joining us until our next time together.
01:10:37: May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of his Holy spirit. Be with you all.