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Hey, what's up guys? Welcome back to Next Week with Jeff Durbin. I am Jeff, that is Luke the Bear, that is Joy the

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Girl. Are we doing that for this show? Pretty much, no? I don't know. I'm just used to it.

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I'm used to it. So before we add, we jumped into the show there after our interview with Dr. Brown.

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We were talking about youth group experiences and things like that, and how we injured ourselves every time during youth group.

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Well, that's how we all met. That is how we all met. Some people don't know that. We're getting grays, and you're carrying a baby now.

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I do actually have some gray hair. You do? I don't believe it. How old are you now? 30.

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Shut up. You should never ask a woman her age on TV. 30. Oh man, we are going to die soon.

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Well, like you said, we'll be in heaven and we're like, wow. Remember that time at youth camp?

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Remember that time? We've had so many cool experiences. When I was a youth pastor at LifeQuest, and you were pastoring the youth with me, we did things that we ought not to have done in terms of dangerous things.

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We had a fire department show up because we filled like a 25 ,000 square foot space up with fog.

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And we had all the lights turned out and we had like music playing.

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We did have strobe lights too. And with strobe lights, we turned strobe lights on with fog in the hallways and we had children running full blast and crashing into each other, full throttle, no gear, because they were trying to escape.

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You just had the one fog machine, right? No, no, it was several. We filled the whole place up. we should like leave a review or something.

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Yeah, your fog machine was awesome. Yeah, no. And one time

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I jumped into pure darkness off of a ledge in a big auditorium. Yeah, just the void.

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Just because we were, what were we playing? Capture the Flag. Capture the Flag, and I didn't want to get caught. So I jumped off the sound booth into darkness where there were chairs just to avoid getting caught.

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You were at least 10 feet off the ground. I was at least 10 feet off, but I did not get tagged.

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Well, yeah. Obviously the most important thing. I almost broke my legs, but yeah.

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And you busted your face. I have a scar on my eyebrow because I was cheating and I ran into the butt end of the cross.

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There was a cross on the stage where we do word worship and the word of God goes out and you walked in darkness and boom.

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Burnt right into it. Because you were cheating. I was cheating. I know. Providence of God. Convicted right there.

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Conviction and false. Yeah, that's right. Were you ever injured during these youth group activities?

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Yes, but obviously didn't make the... No scars. And for the record, for the record, all of this took place.

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This was not like our worship service. We had done worship. We're not

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Bethlehem. No, we're not Bethlehem. Yes. We'd done the word of God. This was us like our sleepovers like basically sort of thing.

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It was an afterglow lesson. Yeah, it was the fun time. Then it was a free for all. Yeah, and then it was chaos. This is what it was.

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It was chaos. Survival of the fittest. It really was. Yeah, we've traveled around the world together. We've done youth group together.

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We have been through trauma and tragedy together. We have busted our faces on crosses together. We have...

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We've been surrounded by bees. Oh, yeah, that too. Yeah. We'll leave it on that.

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So welcome to next week. Hey, so we have a lot to talk about. I wanted actually to talk with Joy.

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I thought it was kind of interesting in terms of what Dr. Brown was talking about with us and Jezebel's spirit and all the really interesting things he's keying in on and what

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Joy and Summer talk a lot about and Sheologians in terms of feminism and the effect that that has on culture.

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I like how that sort of connects. But before we do that, I think you probably have something you want to talk about. Yeah, actually a couple things.

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One, I don't know if you guys saw this. Just kind of tying the whole conversation with Jezebel and we recently did an interview with Dr.

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Brown for Stonewall. Stonewall, which will be released. You'll be able to see that. And I happened to just see it.

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Even Lego hasn't escaped the gay agenda. Did you see that? I'm sorry, say what now? Lego has not escaped the gay agenda.

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Oh, Lego has not escaped the gay agenda. How so? They did the world's tiniest gay pride parade in June.

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Lego did. Well, Legos are also pretty... In New York, of course. Was it? In New York. Legoland in New York, yeah.

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It had like a gay pride parade. They had Legos. It was the parade? They did an actual little parade, yeah.

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Oh. Well, I was just going to say that Legos are kind of like gender neutral. Like the actual guys.

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So maybe they were like already... You could switch the hair around and dresses. Yeah. So you guys heard it here.

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You've been tricked by Lego all this time. You've been tricked the whole time. They were gay the whole time. Oh my goodness.

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Anyways, I didn't... Oh my gosh, my Legos are gay? Okay. Yep.

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So hopefully no one clips that out. And now that you said it, you just gave the idea, yeah?

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So this is kind of... This really happened, but I thought it was really funny. And it doesn't have to do with the gay agenda, but it has to do with just everything we're talking about.

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Jezebel and the destruction of the family and all that stuff. So obviously recently there was this

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Democratic debate, presidential debate. The most recent one? Yeah, which has been... Did you see it?

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No, but I've read things. Can I just say my favorite, which will probably maybe even slip a clip into this when we do it, is when they were all trying to virtue signal in the most recent one before this where they all started speaking in Spanish.

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Oh no. Did you see it? No, even Biden? Oh, it's so... It's so cringe -worthy.

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Cue that. Because it's... Everybody knows that you're full of it.

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You're white. You practice this. You rehearse this. And I would think that even the people that they're speaking to like this, they're like, don't do that to me.

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Don't act like I'm a fool. It's pandering. It's pandering. And then one did it, then the next guy tried to do it, and then it was like a competition.

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Like who could sound... Who could do the most language? Who could do with the best accent?

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And so we'll probably slip some of those in here. Did they end up wearing like sombreros? Yeah, it was really, really...

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It was, you know, those cringe videos? They like pulled out tacos and like... You could do 35 minutes of cringe videos off of just that thing.

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Do you guys ever get like any physical reaction to cringey things?

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Yeah. So sometimes even before I think, oh, like this is really cringey, I get these like tingles.

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Yeah? And when I'm watching something I'm just like... Mmm. No. No, it's bad.

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Well, yeah. And sometimes it's just the tingles that indicate it. Like I haven't even totally realized it yet.

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You just... Hang on now. You just created like a new hashtag for YouTube is tingle videos.

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Tingle videos. Does this make you tingle? Yeah. Don't recommend watching this, but the newest

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Miley Cyrus music video made me feel that way. Does it give you the tingles? Does it give you the tingles? Yeah. It was truly horrific.

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Hashtag tingles. Hashtag nobody watching. Hashtag don't watch that. Okay. Was she wearing clothing this time?

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I mean, I think there's a moment where clothing is so tight that does it count?

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Yeah. Is it really there? But is it really there though? Right. Yeah. I'm just curious. Yeah. Interesting.

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She's a very lost person. So speaking of pandering, so Kirsten Gillibrand, Gillibrand, I believe is her name.

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So she's a white US Senator hoping to run for Democratic presidential nomination.

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So she's openly said that she has benefited from her whiteness.

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She said that. I think maybe even in the debate. And she said that she could explain white privilege to women who voted for Trump.

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So this is how she explained it. Or how she would explain it to them. She said, when their son is walking down the street with a bag of M &Ms in his pocket wearing a hoodie, his whiteness is what protects him from not being shot.

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When their child has a car that breaks down and he knocks on someone's door for help and the door opens and help is given, it is his whiteness that protects him from not being shot.

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Oh. Ew. And she wants to run for president. Oh man, it's just getting low down and dirty and ugly.

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Well and just weird and not pandering but like I don't know it's a different it's a totally different thing

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I don't know it seems like it would be insulting to the person it's meant to Well that's what I mean.

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Yes. That's what I'm aiming at. It's like Oh like to everyone who's listening to this if you are black the only like Let me treat you like you're

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Luckily you've not been shot because of just who you are. With M &M's in your pocket. Yeah treat you like you're ignorant or stupid enough to fall for my signaling and my pandering and those sorts of things you know

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I wouldn't want it done to me in terms of if somebody was trying to use the race issue with me as a white person like let me placate to your white sensitivities to some degree

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I would personally be offended and I think we should all be offended when people dribble down humanity to your color and make all the election issues about the color of your skin when in reality there are bigger more fundamental principled issues at stake that everyone needs to be concerned with and it seems like if you watch the democratic debates and the discussions that they're having it becomes embarrassing for the democratic candidates in terms of Well Hillary tried to do that too

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Yes Hillary tried specifically to like pander to the black community and they were offended

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They were offended by it Well and it's because it's just I mean Oh they're hot sauce I'm sorry Yeah I'm sorry to I'm sorry but politicians not all of them

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I know but like when someone's in a debate or when someone's up giving a speech regarding an election of some kind it's kind of just like well why are you saying that are you saying that for my vote like why are you up there talking about white privilege

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Just Right It just seems like a really bad tactic to me instead of like trying to defend herself against white privilege it's like oh no

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I'm gonna try the opposite Right and it just comes across as weird I mean I used to get to a place where we have a culture that actually reveres someone's intellect and wisdom and their principles and their ability to articulate and to reason through issues because they have wisdom and knowledge and rigorous intellect rather than placating to somebody's momentary cultural hashtag

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Right Like it's almost like the democratic side and even with the republicans it's the same problem it's a democrat republican we're not saying left right those sorts of things but it's almost like they have they essentially run through like what are the popular hashtags right now okay and this is what you're gonna talk about because you need to placate to these people who love this hashtag so next we'll be talking about tingles yeah and that becomes the election the election becomes it's about hashtags yeah

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I want your vote it's embarrassing we are I think what's sad about where we're at today is we've abandoned a christian worldview fundamentally in our culture and so I'll just say this bluntly

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I'm not trying to be mean spirited but we've become stupid we're a nation of ignorant people we can't think five steps ahead all we have is the moment the emotion the feeling and the appeal that's all we have it's just like how are you gonna make me feel right now how are you gonna appeal to my emotions and my moments like it's all we have we can't think far enough ahead steps ahead to reason through consequence what does this mean what does it mean for me what does it mean for my checkbook what's it mean for my future what's it mean for my tax situation what's it mean for my children and my grandchildren all we are is a nation of idiots

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I just I don't know if you saw not I'm saying that as a generalization everybody I'm saying but that's in terms of the media and how we're being played to by the candidates we're a nation of fools in many ways

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I just shared it I think yesterday or even today on Facebook I don't know if you saw I think somebody that was a family member of a victim from Sandy Hook is has actually sued

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Remington yeah because they marketed their assault rifles right so now they're the ones that are at fault because somebody else some ding dong went and shot up a bunch of people and like the first the first court awarded them and so I think

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I think it might be going to the Supreme Court now unreal but I was like that's the stupidest thing

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I've ever heard when I say stupid or when I say fool I'm using biblical categories and definitions fools do not delight in understanding they don't want to understand they don't want to know right and so when

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I say fool and I say something is stupid that's what I'm trying to say is they they don't want to have wisdom and understanding and to be able to think things through and truly understand they don't want to know and so that's why

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I say we're a nation of fools that's what we're that's what we're becoming is we don't delight in understanding we don't want to know we don't want

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God's wisdom we don't want his truth and so we're living it's in many respects watching the democratic debates and discussions feels like like the kinds of I remember being in elementary school and actually playing out political debates in class we actually had to record them and played out political debates like we were running for political office and those sorts of things it feels like the same thing except with big boy pants on right like it's grown up clothes but the same kinds of children trying to win the vote like five minutes after recess and lunch well like I'll give you guys all candy exactly that's what

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I mean you see my candy that I'm offering yeah exactly but I'll give you marijuana right

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I mean like I'll make shrooms legal oh yeah what do you think millennials president

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I'll make shrooms legal do I have the vote big ups to shrooms right like that big ups like I feel no no seriously

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I saw even I saw I saw an ad is everybody actually saying that yeah big ups big ups

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I saw an ad of one of the candidates for running for president and that was her whole thing was she was talking it was all about marijuana that was her platform it was like hashtag big ups to pot like how do

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I so like she was wearing blue so like you know like she didn't say I'm democratic or I'm left she was wearing blue so you know ah she's done she's with me she's on my team and she was talking about like marijuana and like that's her whole thing she was like I'm running for president and nobody should be in jail for weed right and like everyone's like dang she's getting my votes right like can

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I smoke with you like that's the whole like that's that's what I mean like it's like it's like between cafeteria and recess it's like I'm in the playground going will you will you put me in the student council would you like a vote for me

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I'll totally give you pot I will like literally I'll give you weed and so I just feel like that's where we're at today it's very sad yeah yeah we've kind of been reduced to we are

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I mean you say idiot I don't find myself offended at all I'm not offended yeah I don't know okay so like I'm not trying

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I'm a pastor I'm a Christian I'm supposed to love my neighbor and do good to those you know so when

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I'm trying to speak in biblical categories when I say idiot fool stupid I mean in terms of how the bible would describe those sorts of things and I think the problem is is that we're not willing to talk about things today anymore as stupid as ignorant as just dumb or we are willing to talk but in a way that's totally not doesn't like move towards anything right like people have conversations on the internet all day but the great thing about the internet for idiots is that you can ignore everything that happens that you don't like right or you can just report a comment or you know like we have we do when we do the radio show there will be people like the conversations

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I mean sometimes we have some really inflammatory stuff happening in the comments and we boot those people right you know who you are holocaust deniers and flat earthers yeah but then sometimes it's just like very it's just nothing nothing's happening and people are like who's the moderator in here and I'm like can you guys just get over it like if you don't like the comments that are being said you may leave the comments like you don't have to be in there right and then you have people that are the internet is like become just this one big unsolicited or solicited opinion and we all just give our opinions and we all just like one day we might feel this about this thing and the other day we'll feel this about even though the situations are very close but I'm the arbiter of everything that's real so I kind of decide like how are you even supposed even if you wanted to have a conversation in that kind of society yeah how could you how like it's like idiot is the best word for it because it's nothing it's just it's like people all talking at different walls right and we've also

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I think we have been affected truly by the the zeitgeist spirit of the age in terms of hate speech and like it's zero to sixty or it's one side or the other and so like if you don't agree with me if you're not on my side you're the enemy

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I hate you this is hate speech you're a bigot you're a racist like we have like we have those two directions like zero to sixty and that actually even affects

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Christian communities too as we start behaving in that way even with other Christians if you disagree with me on these side issues you're a heretic right you're we do we do the

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Christianized version of it we're not calling it hate speech and bigot and racist we're saying heretic and son of perdition like you know what

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I mean you have a tattoo that's cool how does it feel to be a son of perdition is that good like you know well it's seriously an abuse of presuppositional apologetics it's like oh well

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I learned in my little reformed community that like I know what truth is and I know what objective meaning is and I know this and so it's like but yeah you still can't like your reaction to something being true or not is still subjective if you're totally like keeping the

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Bible out of it if it's just your traditions if it's just your feelings and emotions you don't just get to you don't get to join this club and be like oh

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I Christians we know what truth is and then be like well tattoos are evil though right and not be willing to have any conversation not be willing to and just nuance and just the unsolicited

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I don't know it's very hard I think it's a hard balance for people it's almost like we're just so little on the internet that we don't know how to do it we're like a bunch of children on there right now we read an article and you have

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Christians that are that are actually they're being so ungracious to their brother or sister that posted the article and they're giving grace to the person who wrote the article that is adopting the world's standards yes it becomes this weird like we're so lacking in critical thought that like we know we're to give grace but we don't even know where to give it to yes and it's to the point where you like we well and by the time this comes out you can go read this blog

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Summer did an excellent blog she wrote it today but I don't know when this is coming out just talking about there was an article on a well known

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Christian site that was attempting to separate sex and gender even though the

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Christian world view would be that those things are the same there is no separation there is no well

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I have these parts but then I feel more this one way like that's not there's no like duality there like you are what you are you know and you share an article like or you share that article and you say this person who wrote this article is using the same

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Christian definition as the world for gender and sex and people are like oh well

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I just think they are trying to say this and you are hateful for accusing them of saying this and it's just like I don't know how we backtrack from I guess the point is you don't backtrack if we are all kids on the internet then the idea is to like move forward and grow up like there's no backwards there's only like go forward and figure out how we are supposed to be and I guess you're

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Christians are supposed to be the example of how to behave on the internet and how to behave in critical thought this is perfect it's a perfect sort of connection to the interview we just had with Dr.

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Michael Brown you'll you'll see

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Christians who know Jesus they know the gospel they've been transformed by God all of us

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I think we all struggle in this area this is not me saying and look at these people over here that we've all had to walk through this or are walking through it currently in terms of how we have to be able to understand truth know truth cling to Christ care about truth be willing to fight boldly for the truth but also to not be a jerk yeah right so what

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I mean is like for example we ought to be concerned and if anyone knows Apologia you know our commitment to bold confrontation with the world when it comes to truth

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I mean we're we get in trouble a lot because we'll stand on truth we'll get threatened because we stand for truth and boldly and we won't relent and we won't give up and we'll say take our heads off take us to jail it doesn't matter so people know we're not we're not saying here placate and give up and compromise but if what we need to learn is that we can have a commitment to the truth that is unwavering uncompromising and that is bold but still be like Jesus in that tax collectors prostitutes and sinners want to eat with you right so like if you say you love

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Jesus but nobody wants to get a cup of coffee with you right it's not it's probably not persecution right right you're probably a jerk right and nobody likes you because you are not a likable person right it's not because you love

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Jesus because the people who were even opposed to Jesus still hung around to talk to him yes there was persecution all those things but tax collector sinners and prostitutes seem to love to hang out with Jesus for some reason yeah so and it's interesting because I know you want to say something but with like Dr.

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Brown we have significant disagreements with Dr. Brown on issues like the sovereignty of God charismatic issues those sorts of things but we love

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Dr. Brown he loves Jesus he fights for the triune God and he preaches repentance and faith and salvation as a gift by God's grace through faith in Jesus all those other issues

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I'd like to hang out with Dr. Brown get a cup of coffee or he likes to hit the bag maybe hit the bag together while we're talking about Romans 9 or whatever but like we shouldn't like what will tend to happen

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I know it's happening right now in the thread like I'm not a prophet but we've done this show ahead of time and I know in the thread right now there's somebody right now saying they shouldn't be talking to Dr.

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Brown because he's a heretic he did this he did that and they're not listening to what you're saying they're not listening they can't even hear you just know we did this three weeks ago and we are predicting it right it's happening in the thread right now so it's a perfect way to talk about that like we have got to learn like when it's appropriate to lay your life down and to say no and whatever

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I'm gonna die set me on fire burn me at the stake or whatever and other times to be able to say like this is a good time to have dinner together and have a relationship and be calm and assume the best about you well cause it's fair enough

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I mean so just really be honest if you're listening to this right now really be honest and just so in this topic that I was just talking about so in the issues of like our confused gender sex all that the confusion that happens there in our culture like was there a time when you had to work through that did you have to learn what that looked like faithfully was there a time when either you read it in the bible or someone taught it to you in Sunday school or something like that did you have to learn that there was a proper biblical ethic regarding that regarding gender did you have to learn that yeah so there are plenty of people that are learning it right there are plenty it's one thing to to defend and stand behind a worldly definition of something that we know is anti -biblical and basically be you can have a nice interaction with someone that is learning what a biblical sexual ethic is supposed to look like so to just assume that everyone is just like standing behind the world when they give their stupid argument and that's it's hard that's like graciousness is hard it's hard for me because I hear the same in like the sinful part of me thinks like I can't even tell you how many times

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I've answered this stupid email and when I say stupid that's an ungracious usage of the word stupid like you have to die to yourself when you're faithful and you have to say okay no this person doesn't know that this person is ignorant they're yelling at us for something that they don't realize like they've done the smallest amount of information and or research on this topic and then they're accusing us of this thing and it's the internet is part of the problem but I'm not gonna there's no like there's no program or software that is gonna fix the internet like it has to be the people that are on it and so you're just it's just worth it

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I think to try to assume you don't know if someone's being clear and they're clearly wrong you can still call them out in a way that's gracious and not you're a heretic and depart from me and all that like I don't

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I just and we do believe that there is a time for the serrated edge there are times for the serrated edge

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Jesus used the serrated edge but Jesus didn't use the serrated edge with the woman at the well right he had a different tactic with the woman at the well than he did with the

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Pharisees and the scribes before he pronounces judgment on them in the Olivet Discourse and so we have to know nuance and balance and appropriate moments and in particular

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I think when it comes to Christian interaction with each other on the internet we've got to learn to assume the best about each other and be gracious and work through those conflicts in a different way than just leaping right to well if you don't want to like if that doesn't work for you because you don't get to give your opinion enough and it's too hard for you to put in time to talk to one person instead of 50 people on a comment thread then

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I don't know get off them internets leave go because it's becoming a problem well what

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I mean is and I guess we can probably finish here it ties into how the world influences us in ways that we're not always cognizant of we're not always aware of it and what

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I mean is that mindset and sort of tactic the methodology of the left and liberalism and the cultural

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Marxist all that stuff when they'll say it's like it's our way or you're a racist it's our way or you're a white supremacist it's our way it's just 0 to 60 it's just like this or it's hate speech and you're like no wait wait wait wait stop that I reject all of that I despise those positions but they do that's their methodology we'll do that too as Christians we'll just buy right into that mindset it's like you either see like me in every single issue or you must not know

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Jesus or you hate God you're a son of perdition it's like well how about we have a conversation first and get to know each other and give each other a moment and be gracious to each other and of course fight for the truth love the truth don't compromise but not every moment is

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Jesus cleansing the temple he had three and a half years of a lot of other moments that were not all cleansing the temple moments well and Jesus promised that they would hate us because of him but ultimately we should be hated because of the message not because of us right and I mean even talk about the liberals it's not because of the message that we don't like them it's because it results in name calling right because their message is stupid right but they start calling names like you were saying and that's what's infecting the church and I think even to go back to our ministry verse right perspective 315 and so people are

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Christians specifically are very quick to always be ready to give a defense to give an apology they're always ready for that but they haven't sanctified

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Christ as Lord in their heart first they've forgotten that part and they surely aren't doing it with gentleness and respect and so they're just coming in chopping heads taking knees right and they forgot about the rest of it and like you said

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I think that's come from the culture we've allowed that to infect the church and we forget that Christ said they will know us by our love for one another yeah we're supposed to be the influencers we're supposed to be the ones that are setting the example and the tone for how to think and how to live how to act and of course with human experience it's complicated because we're all sinners we're all none of us are

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Jesus we're covered in Christ's righteousness but as a gift but we're not Jesus and so we have to learn to navigate this in terms of balance like when's the right moment to confront something and to use a serrated edge and just to be honest and another time when's it time to be gracious and slow and patient and wait and to have balance and allow for nuance and those sorts of things when you see someone else doing those things when is the time to mind your own business right because half of the internet is just commentary on other people's commentary yeah well

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I don't think you were tough enough on him with this it's like well I don't you weren't a part of that conversation oh the tactic

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I was using it's Latin nunya yeah right yes nunya business nunya business right yeah or people

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Wade and I look I used his name Wade big ups to Wade big ups to Wade Wade and I were talking about that in terms maybe we can finish this

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I had a conversation with Douglas Wilson and I think it's up on him as Amazon Prime now we're talking about social media and Doug brought something to my attention that I hadn't even thought about and I was like man

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I'm so glad that he reminded me of that he was talking about people how we as Christians we need to engage the public square on the internet we have these amazing tools now it would be a tragedy if we didn't use them but people are concerned like well if you turn a camera on when you're out there preaching the gospel people could start trying to like become celebrities and rock stars by turning the camera on and Doug made a good point

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I think he's exactly right he said basically Doug says I don't buy that he says I think that the person today who turns the camera on and becomes prideful or sinful because they're playing to the camera while they're preaching the gospel or whatever he says

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I think that's the same guy 200 years ago that would have been wearing the long robes and praying the long prayers in the marketplaces because it's a hard issue it's not a camera issue it's not a tool issue it's a hard issue but he brought something up to me that I just hadn't thought about he talked about how do you avoid when you turn a camera on like who who were you talking to were you talking to the

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Mormon are you talking to the crowd you're preaching to or are you thinking about the camera and it was amazing because he brought to my attention that I had and we had been preaching the gospel on the street for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours before there was ever audio or a camera like I I remember times where it was 1 .30

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in the morning and I was outside the Mormon temple in Mesa in the dark talking to the God the guy who plays

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God in the temple ceremony and the only people that heard that conversation was this false

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God me and the real God yeah there was no camera there was no audio I it was just because I needed to preach the gospel these people need

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Jesus and then the cameras came later right but but this is interesting in thinking about like how how we can men and women thinking about thinking about using these tools for the gospel with audiences and people watching is when people will make comments as they'll see stuff we'll do evangelism videos and they'll say why didn't you say this and why didn't you say that and why didn't you do this and why didn't you do that and I want to say very humbly and this is what

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Wade and I were talking about um I didn't do it for you right right you're not my audience you weren't my audience and I wasn't out there preaching to this person for you like I did it for Jesus and I did it ultimately for the person

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I was talking to and that was a spirit led encounter and the reason I didn't say it like you wanted me to is because I wasn't doing it for you or your entertainment or for your pleasure right

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I did it for God and his glory and I was trying to do it to reach this person and like Luke wrote in the book of Acts a record of what happened with Paul when he preached the gospel and the church was built up and he argued with the

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Hellenistic Jews and they wanted to kill him he recorded that event so that you would benefit from that we're we're uploading these videos for the same purpose and it's ultimately for God's glory for the benefit of the church you know for the for the name of Christ and his glory but it's not for your sake and so you're right sometimes it's it's it's praise

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God yeah sometimes sometimes sometimes it's it's a very simple like this is none of your business mind your business and sometimes

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I think we need to learn as Christians like and I'm talking to myself here as much as anybody else I think we have to be sanctified to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn of it and use it very cautiously.

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Because of our own sin. Because of our own sin. Because we're all a wreck. Right. Sinful. So if you're an angry, hateful person, you have business to take care of.

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Yes. Like if it's, the heart will, like what comes out of the heart, right?

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Yes. So if. How do they abundance the heart, the mouth speaks. So if everything you, just because you're not speaking it on the internet, everything you're typing is angry, then that means you are not doing your own work.

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Yes. You are, you are neglecting the work that's supposed to be done because you're angry.

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Yeah. And that is not how we're supposed to be. Yeah. Out of the abundance of the fingers. Right. Right. Out of the abundance of the heart, the fingers type.

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Right. Yes. And it works the same way. It doesn't have to be vocalized. Right. It can just be poo poo coming out of your fingers.

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Spiritual poo. Right. There's no loopholes there. Yeah. So there you go. Good show.

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Amen. Yes. Good. All right. See you next time.