Pastor vs. Biden & Presidential Debate

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Non -rockabodas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it. Are you gonna bark all day, little doggie, or are you gonna bite?

Delusional, yeah. Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional.

You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt.

Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Right. Don't go into the world and make homies.

Right. Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, pastor.

When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

A fool's lips walk into a fight and his mouth invites a beating.

That's an appropriate little set of verses there from Proverbs 18. For tonight's debate? Well, no, about just two things we're talking about.

Obviously, quickly, the presidential debate. On a grand scale. Just on the grand scale, if you guys didn't know, the

Biden regime's official rapid response Twitter page and Facebook page,

Biden -Harris HQ, decided to come after me.

And in doing so, they invited the beating that's coming. The intellectual beating.

You got to be careful with them. You do. You got to be careful with them because they'll cut off your words and not give the whole context.

They're known to be selective with their editing. Yeah. Selective hearing, selective editing.

And so we're going to engage a bit today with the official rapid response page for the Biden -Harris regime.

And it's Biden -Harris HQ. And so we're going to do it.

So I did an interview with the New York Times recently. They posted it, I think, last week.

And yeah, so it went like wildfire all over them internets because the

Biden -Harris regime decided to be real liberal with their clipping, their editing.

Yes. Yeah, that's Luke the Bear. Hi, I'm Jeff the Calm of the Ninja. That's Zachary Conover. What's up, guys?

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Let's dive right in. So as I was saying, I don't know, is it three times now?

Maybe three, two times. At least two. At least two times that the New York Times has done something, you know, with me on us.

And I think it was about two years ago or so, they did a full -page sort of thing. Elizabeth Diaz, or Diaz, I forgot how to pronounce her name, real sweet lady, great, great reporter, journalist.

And she came out, spent some time with us, and did an article on us on the issue of abolition. And so that was one thing, and the response wasn't near as big from that, because of context.

She made sure she kept proper context, and she tried to have journalistic integrity. Of course, she doesn't agree with us. She works for New York Times, for goodness sake.

But she did a good job, so I am happy about how she did that. They wanted to interview me for their show,

The Run -Up. Is it called The Run -Up? I think it's called The Run -Up. And it's like a, you know, it's like a podcast,

New York. But they asked us to do an interview with us, and that's because they said, you know, post -Roe, a lot of these pro -life organizations don't seem to know what they want, and what they believe, and really what they're aiming at.

So they seem a little scattered and confused, according to them. And so they wanted to have us on to have sort of a baseline of, here's a movement, here's a group of people who've had the same message before Roe, same message after Roe.

They're going after exactly the same thing, equal protection, nothing's changed. And so they wanted to put us in there, they said, as like a baseline.

You guys don't compromise, you're the same, your position is not changing. And so I felt like they did actually a fairly good job, to be honest with you.

I mean, you never know. I mean, you're going to see in a moment what the Biden regime did with some of my audio from that New York Times thing.

But you never know really what you're going to get. Like, are they going to slice things up? But at least the New York Times was trying, was trying to make sure that I had time to talk, that my position was able to be, you know, filled out.

And so I was, I was thankful, to be honest with you, I was thankful. And, you know, leading up to the drop of the podcast,

I did get contacted from, I didn't tell you this, from another department, New York Times, where they just wanted to verify certain details, just to make sure that it was accurate what they were going to say.

Like, even details like you have seven children. Yes. Three of them are adopted. Yes. And their ages are, like they wanted to make sure they had every detail.

And they even asked me questions like about my, my being a martial arts champion, world champion, they were like, you know, in what, in what style were you a world champion in?

And so like, they were even wanting to express even my past in an accurate way, like which style, which was,

I was like, interesting, interesting. Okay, they're really working hard to make sure they do this, do this right. Okay, so at any rate, they put the podcast out,

I was fairly impressed and thankful for how the New York Times did it. And I said some stuff in that podcast that, you know, honestly, would get me in a lot of trouble with people are kind of in my circle, if you want to say the conservative circle.

I said stuff like I don't have any affinity for the Republican Party. No natural desire and liking for it.

You know, I said, I'm focused on principle. I said, I don't have any affections for the Republican Party. When they asked me questions about Trump and Carrie Lake, I said, you know, these people are displaying that they don't really believe what they say they believe they're, in fact, charlatans.

I mean, I said some stuff, let's be honest, that give me a big trouble and get me invited from the big disinvited or dean body said disinvited disinvited, uninvited from the popular crew.

I mean, you invited before. I have spoken the gospel at a Trump event. Because they asked me want to preach it.

This is like, well, I'm never going to turn down the opportunity. If the Biden regime asked me to preach the gospel at their event, I'd be there with bells on.

Even to the extent of, in that interview, you were talking about the idolatry of worship that we have for our heroes in these parties, and that really caught their ear.

You know, I don't think they had ever heard it put like that. No, I said that I think that the idolatry of Trump is shameful amongst

Christians, and they even asked me a question. They said, you know, would you want to see, like,

Trump lose standing on the issue of abolition of being consistent? Or would you, you know, rather him, you know, compromise and win?

And I said, honestly, God blesses faithfulness. And so I would rather people win by being faithful, because that's how

God transforms the world through faithfulness and even small numbers. So as much as I'd hate to see, you know,

Biden win, and ruin the country more and more economic injustice, more evil, more moral decay, as much as I don't want that for our nation,

I said, God's not gonna change the world like that. It has to be through faithfulness. So yeah, lose being faithful, and then you're actually winning.

And so I said some stuff to get me in trouble with, like, the Republican crowd, the conservative crowd, and they put all that in there, of course, and like I said, did a fairly good job.

And interestingly, next thing I know, I come into the studio, and Zach's like, it's on fire right now.

I was like, what? Like, the Internet's on fire right now with this, or however you say it. Our Twitter page was blowing up, and I was like, what's going on?

And then I saw. Yeah, so Biden -Harris HQ decided to clip a portion of the

New York Times program, which itself, by the way, was clipped.

The New York Times squeezed together my discussion about what abolition is, what the issue of abortion is, and then they also put together in asking, well, how do you feel about the punishment sort of a thing?

Do you want to see women executed for the issue of the murder of the pre -born? So they squeezed, even the New York Times squeezed those things together, but they did it in a way where it wasn't, like, really taking me out of context.

Well, the Biden regime clips. Double -clipped. Yeah, they cut it out.

And it was a very precise clipping. Oh, very precise. They post it up, and boy, oh boy, let me tell you, people have been interesting.

I'll tell you, one thing that you can't trust is a liberal behind a keyboard these days. They very carefully circumcised the interview.

Very accurately. Yeah, within seconds. You answered the question, and then it was, like, a second later that the word, however, came out.

Yeah, we're gonna play it for you guys, and then we're gonna, we're gonna, I mean... You won't even hear, like, a... The Biden regime's a regime of fools, and I'm saying that in the most biblical sense.

Scripture calls people a fool for being a fool, and being numb in their thinking, unwilling to engage, being willfully ignorant, and, you know, they...

Well, the text says, and I love that verse, Proverbs... I love Proverbs so much.

Proverbs 18. A fool's lips walk into a fight, and his mouth invites a beating. Well, you guys invited a real serious beating here, and we're gonna, we're gonna show you that in just a moment here.

But before we get to it, before we get to it, I wanted to have a quick discussion about the presidential debate, okay?

I am so excited for this. Wet your appetite, everybody. It's coming. It's coming. We're gonna play all the clips and do all the things. But the presidential debate is happening tonight.

I have to say, I'll just totally confess, I did not think this was gonna happen. Did anybody else think this was gonna happen?

No, I was very surprised when I saw the, like, trailer for it. I did not think it was gonna happen. Same. I mean, when you see...

Look, and let's be respectful to the man who's an image -bearer of God, okay? Of course, he's a horrible president. He's an immoral man.

He's an unjust man. He's one of the worst presidents in American history. An incoherent man.

But he's an old man. Yeah. He's an old man. And, you know, as you get older, you lose brain cells.

I know this because yesterday I was with a neurologist, doctor's appointment, not for me, for somebody else.

And he described, like, you know, as you get older, your brain, you know, shrinks down because you're losing brain cells and, like, you're losing a lot of faculties and capabilities.

It's not Biden's fault that he's old and he's in this position. I think it's his family's fault for not putting a stop to it.

Completely. And people who love him should say, okay, it's time to stop. But anyway, you see the most recent clips of him.

He can't hold a sentence together. He can't stay engaged. He can't stay focused. If he's in a crowd of people, he loses his attention.

He'll lock on to somebody moving. Like, if something moves, he's, like, locked on to it. People have to guide him.

It's so obvious. I don't see how you couldn't see it. Yeah. And so you see that and it's like, oh, man, you feel bad for the guy.

He's in the image of God. You're not supposed to hate. You should love your enemies. I mean, he is a fool and an immoral man. But, you know, it's sad.

But you look at that and you're like, there ain't no way. There's no way in the world that they're putting that man on a stage with Donald Trump to debate.

Who is fired up right now. And then I found out it's really happening. I was like, it's actually happening.

So from my understanding, you got to forgive me. I don't have all the details. The last eight or nine months of our lives have been pretty challenging and difficult.

So I don't spend a lot of time watching the news right now. Don't have a lot of spare time. But I did hear that there is not going to be a live audience.

Now, I'm wondering, does anybody in our audience know? Has that ever happened before? Because I meant to look that up.

For a presidential debate, I'm wondering if anybody in our audience knows. It seems unusual because if memory serves, they at times have taken audience questions, right?

No, they always have. At least it's one of the presidential debates they will have audience questions.

That's my recollection as well. But I just don't have any recollection of a presidential debate without a live audience.

And so that's peculiar to me. My suspicion, and this isn't me making an accusation, it's just a suspicion.

What would you guess about this? My guess, and again, I'm fine to be wrong on this, but my guess would be if you watch

Biden and his inability to be in large crowds with a lot of movement because he just gets locked onto things and loses kind of his place,

I think maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe? Because I can't think of any other time. And again,

I'm wondering if anybody in the audience knows if there is ever a presidential debate without a live audience.

But at any rate, it's happening tonight. And I gotta say, I'm very, very excited. Somebody in the chat just said they extended the live delay from seven seconds to two minutes.

Ah, that's interesting. Okay, I wonder. I mean, given the volatile nature of American politics at this point too, and how much, you know, both sides are kind of clamoring for the future of our nation.

I'm wondering if it's a safety issue as well. I don't know. It's just so, there's so many details that are peculiar.

But I was thinking that, and you guys know what I'm talking about with this? Like the last presidential debate, you were seeing, it wasn't as bad as it is now, but it was definitely bad.

Where, you know, Biden can't follow a consistent, coherent thought. He's losing his place.

He's, he's getting mixed up, you know, he's words up. Yeah. It's like you watch it. You're like, this guy's really struggling.

He might just be a little too old to be doing this. Right. And, uh, and the next thing you know, he goes to the presidential debate with Donald Trump.

And all of a sudden he's like able to think coherent, like work focus. And it was just like, I want to know what kind of stuff they're giving you.

Cause I want some of that as like alpha brain, alpha brain, black label. That's what I'm on.

Alpha brain, black label. His appearance is visibly demonstrably different.

His eyes, you know, his walking and all that stuff. I'm not faulting the man I've gone without sleep for like almost nine months now.

And I'm living on alpha brain right now, like to be able to focus and form a thought because I don't have any sleep.

So I'm not faulting the man for needing the medication. All I'm saying is what is that medication? And is it over the counter?

I doubt it. Well, I think our, our resident has taken more vacation days than you have. So I don't know, look out here, this is, uh, oh, how do you can't predict what's going to happen tonight?

All I know is like last time I was like very, very surprised. I was like, this is going to be a very embarrassing moment for this guy because he can't think and, and, and reason and find his place.

Uh, and then all of a sudden like he was on, I was like, what is, what are they giving you? And does the public have access to it as well?

Or is this some special presidential doctor concoction? I don't know what it is. So I'm wondering how we're going to go from the last couple of weeks of Biden, like literally being led off of stages because he doesn't know where he's going and not being able to think and all of that.

I'm wondering how they're going to do this tonight. And, uh, I'm wondering if the medication will actually hang on the whole time or if it'll, it'll just fail.

Uh, yeah, that will be interesting. It's going to be interesting. Also the topics too, under discussion, you know, immigration is going to take center stage abortion.

Hard stuff. All. I mean, yeah. So, yeah. Interesting. So anyway, I just thought just for fun, just for fun, let's, let's, let's go back in time and let's remember this, this special moment of the last presidential debate.

Cause it was fun. The issue is the American people should speak. You should go out and vote.

You're in voting now, vote and let your senators know how strong you feel. Let vote.

Make sure you, in fact, let people know you're a Senator. I'm not going to answer the question because the question, the question is the question left.

Will you shut up, man? Who is on your list, Joe? This is all right, gentlemen. I think he's going to pack the court.

We have ended this segment. We're going to move on to the second segment. That was really a productive segment, wasn't it?

Oh man. I was, I can't wait. It's going to be so good. It's just one of those things.

I don't even know if I can, if I can watch, but you can't look away at the same time. Like, yeah, I'm excited. Are you guys as excited as we are?

Uh, does anybody know, again, I'm sorry guys. I just feel so out of the loop. And Luke was asking this or asking this earlier.

Does anybody know where it is airing? I mean, obviously you'll be able to discover, find it on them internets, but is it, is it live on any particular media?

Is it ABC, NBC, Fox, something like that? Or is it something different? I'm wondering. Somebody in the chat just said he's on that NAD patch.

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I'll answer your question. This is hilarious. Just speaking of New York times, this is an article from them. Um, so it's going to be at nine o 'clock

Eastern time in CNN studio. Um, no, there will not, will there be an in -person audience?

No. The candidates will debate in a CNN studio with no live audience. This was a demand from the

Biden campaign. Abortion should be considered a crime. It should be considered a murder. It just loaded that itself.

Most likely based on recognition that Mr. Trump tends to play to and feed off supportive crowds.

Oh yeah. And then, um, where did I see, um, how will the moderators prevent interruptions?

The candidates microphones will be muted when it isn't their turn to speak. This was another Biden request intended to guard against Mr.

Trump's penchant for interrupting and speaking over debate opponents. All right. So that's very unbiased.

Interesting. It's already slanted to favor one party. Exactly. Exactly. I wonder too, um, no live audience, uh, how much they're able to potentially manipulate the recording because no one's around to verify watching it live with a two minute delay.

So many questions. They're only allowed like two minutes to answer the questions. Yeah. So with the two minute delay, they can do a lot of things.

All I can say is buckle up buttercup. Yeah, it's going to be good. And I, I just can't wait to do some commentary on it as well.

Let me fun. We had a lot of fun in 2016 in 2020, a blasty blast talking commentary, uh, after the debates.

It's so much fun. Um, all right, so let's get into it. So obviously we started the program today, explained to everybody that the

Biden regime's official rapid response, uh, channel, uh, cut up a clip of my discussion with the

New York times. And, uh, the response has been, uh, interesting. Uh, let me go ahead and, um, uh, draw your attention here to the old, uh, computer laptop.

Yeah. This is the Biden Harris HQ post on X. I love how they started that Trump ally.

Let's let's let's savor every word. Let's savor every word here.

Trump ally, Jeff Durbin leader of Republican opposition to Arizona abortion measure says women deserve to be executed.

If they have an abortion, you forfeit your right. To live. Okay. Now it's just 24 seconds there.

We're going to play it side by side with the actual New York times clip that they cut off.

You have that one. Yeah, I got it all together. Okay. Uh, so there, there was, there's what they posted and let's just, let's just start with this.

What is the response been now? We can't show you everything. Uh, and it's been a lot.

Um, but just to direct your attention to just a few things. Um, so they also posted this one.

Let me just, uh, let me pull this all apart here. Okay. This, they posted this one. Nice little, uh,

I didn't even see that. Yeah. Yeah. So Trump ally, there it is again. Trump ally says women deserve to be executed if they have an abortion, you forfeit your right to live little old picture of Jeff Durbin in the corner there.

What? Next to Trump's big old mug. Yeah. Here's the thing. If you know how

Donald Trump has backpedaled on the issue of abortion, you know that we really, I mean, couldn't be further apart in terms of the same position that he's advocating for, which is what, uh, let the

States decide 15 weeks far and away from our position.

Oh, we're going to, we're going to play it. Yeah. They're going to play the actual clip and see if it makes any sense that if somebody actually listened to the

New York times program podcast, if they listened to it, would they ever ever walk away without being an utter fool?

Uh, and dense and just classically just a stupid person. Would they ever come away with a thinking that guy's a ally of Trump.

We're going to play, we're going to play, we're going to play the actual clip. And obviously the Biden Harris, Harris regime, they don't care about truth, facts, honor, integrity, none of those things, discipline, critical thinking.

They just want, uh, propaganda. Well, yeah. And I, I mean, I was just thinking about it.

I think they could care less about you or us. They're trying to use you to make Trump look like he's saying something he's not.

That's what that is. That's right. So they come after a little old Arizona pastor to use me as a, it's collateral damage tool.

It goes both ways to, I mean, what weaponize the association element of you two. That way it's like the same animosity you feel towards the orange man you feel towards this bearded hipster

Donatello. Yeah. It was a great video of someone like doing this whole thing on it, like Donatello.

And it was, it was crazy. Um, so the response has been interesting. Obviously there's tons of stuff on, on Dem Internet's cross platforms, uh, people vilifying us and, you know, saying nasty things, but we've also been, we've been getting some messages.

We've been getting some messages, a few, a few. Yeah. We've been getting some messages and, uh, and just so you know, uh, the, the email addresses on these messages may not be the actual email addresses.

So don't try to email these people. They could have just pulled these email addresses off the internet somewhere.

And I know some of them did actually, a few of them they clearly made up the internet address or they associated with somebody else. So please, as, as I'm just showing you it as it, as it is, these are not, these are,

I'd say 99 .9 % positive. These are not the real email addresses or names of the people.

Um, but, uh, go ahead and show this one here. Um, Hey, Jesus didn't need arson insurance or body armor, but you do burn in hell.

Faggots. Hmm. Interesting response. Solid argumentation. Unassailable unassailable.

Do you see the one I sent this one I sent yesterday? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I didn't see that one. You know, I, yeah, that's the one that the one Luke just showed me here. Let me read that. Let me read that. And it says, uh, uh,

Jeffrey, may your wife become a widow this year. Amen. That's I'm not saying amen. Are they praying to you?

Kudos to his name though. Yeah. What's that? Oh, his name is Buster Bowles. That's what I'm saying.

Like, you know, these are just names people just make up. May your wife become a widow this year. Amen. That's what he said.

Uh, so we're getting, we're getting them. There's a, there's a few more. I'm going to direct your attention. I'll direct your attention to what the

Biden regime has created the storm they've created. Uh, and by the way, guys, I apologize for the, um, the language in some of these, but I'm not going to help.

I'm not going to help these people. Um, I'm just going to show you. So these, you know, these are, these are, these are just a small sampling of what's come in.

Here's a, here's one that came in. This was someone trying to sign up for a EAN, right? Right. Yeah.

They're signing up for EAN to have their church go out and save lives at the abortion mill. And so very interesting handle there for their email.

They took the time to fill in the blanks and submit those. I wonder if they actually signed, actually created that Yahoo account.

I was wondering if you didn't, I have less respect because that is just not a lot of commitment.

If you're going to make the commitment, keep the handle. You should email them back. Say, I'll give you a 10 for creativity for the effort that you put forth.

Yeah. Their name. That is a, well, that's a long name. That is a long, long name.

Uh, Arabic. I'm not even going to read that one out loud. Let's let you guys see it yourself. The, the church name, it's a long one.

Uh, the church of pastor Jeff is an a -hole and a church address, 3510 East.

Pastor Jeff is a jerk off. Uh, so, you know, and not, not a lot of creativity.

You put that in maps. I don't know where you end up, but we may get lost. Does that in Tempe?

Something, something a little, a little easier there. This is just, uh, to an old Metro article, uh, that completely misrepresented, um, fascist scum from Julie.

Thanks, Julie. That's the original one, isn't it? I was trying to remember what was the original one that started that whole propaganda piece.

It was, it was. Yeah. And it would make sense why the New York times was asking you about that as a followup to clarify.

I'm sure your position on these matters. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Elizabeth was really careful from the

New York times on that one. She was really careful about that one. Uh, this one, by the way, guys, like I said, please do not message these people.

This is just, I'm just showing to you as it was, didn't have time to strike anything out. These are made up email addresses and names.

Uh, and, uh, so, uh, this one is from a Ron Wilcox, apparently, and, uh, some foul words here.

I'll let you look at that yourself. Yeah. So Jeff Durbin thinks women who have abortions should be executed.

Here's a better idea. Execute Jeff Durbin. Here's an even better idea. Apology of church would be a great site for a mass shooting.

Praise Jesus. Yeah. Let me just say that, uh, there, it would always be horrible, horrific to go into any church and do something as wicked as that.

And, um, I do find it interesting that like, you know, you have a problem with a person who believes what the Bible teaches and the historic

Christian Orthodoxy teaches that we know capital punishment is the just penalty for murder for all murder.

Right? That's what the Bible teaches historic Christian Orthodoxy. And you're like, that's really bad. You think the people should be executed?

Uh, so let me tell you, I think that you should be executed. It's just like you see the hypocrisy. Like no, they can't say it.

You can't see it. So you're talking about mass shootings. Like that's your response to, you know, the person who believes in the historic

Christian position of the death penalty for murder. Let me give you an example. Um, this week, uh, let me pull up the actual thing here.

Cause let's, let's, let's do this as we kind of engage more with this in terms of these people, just, they have an incoherent worldview.

Um, so this week I just shared it in the, uh, our, our leadership thread with Pastor James. Um, it is just horrific.

I read this thing. I couldn't even believe I was reading, um, Venezuelan illegal immigrants who are accused of killing 12 year old

Jocelyn Oh, I don't want to say this wrong. I'll just say Jocelyn cause I don't want to butcher her last name, lured her under a bridge where they took her clothes off and raped her for two hours.

The men tied her hands behind your back while they did the unthinkable. After they were done, the men choked her and dumped her body in a bayou.

Um, one of the men, Franklin Jose Pena Ramos, then allegedly asked his employer for extra money to leave town.

Pena Ramos crossed through Biden's open border at El Paso last month. Both Pena Ramos and, uh, uh,

Johan Jose Rangel are set to appear in immigration court this August. And then there's a video of Jocelyn's mother at her vigil.

It's a 12 year old girl, 12 year old girl. And she's lured under a bridge and these men tie her hands behind her back and rape this 12 year old girl for two, for two hours.

Then after these disgusting abominations, these animals do this to this girl, they then choke her to death and throw her body into water.

So I have a question. My worldview, my worldview says that this is such a heinous abomination, such a disgraceful act with image bearers of God that these, these men should have been executed and given the death penalty at any point of the crime, the kidnapping, the raping, leading to the murder.

I'm saying every point of the crime deserve the death penalty according to the Christian worldview. Okay. I'm saying that that girl was so valuable as a human being and as an image bearer of God.

And what these men did was so unjust and so evil and wicked and abomination that these men deserve to die for what they did.

Now they murdered this little girl. I believe that for that crime, these men should receive a speedy trial and an even speedier execution.

I believe that. And I'm not ashamed of that. I wonder liberals, leftists, pro -aborts, what do you think about that?

What do you think about that little girl in that crime of rape and murder? What do you think? What should be the, what should be the penalty?

The just penalty that these men should receive? Should they receive three hots and a cot every day for the rest of their lives?

And the community has to pay through coercive taxation for these men? They're not even citizens. We're already paying for them to be housed for their lives, to feed them every day, to give them medical care.

Does that help Jocelyn's mother? Does that give any justice to Jocelyn? No. That actually perpetrates further injustice upon the community.

They had nothing to do with the crime and yet they have to pay for it now? To pay for these men and the crime that they did?

I don't believe that that's just. I think that when these men did this to this little girl, that they forfeited their right to live.

So I believe in what the Bible teaches regarding capital punishment from Genesis to Revelation. You take the life of a human being in an unjustified manner in whatever context you deserve capital punishment.

I believe that. What do you believe liberals? What do you believe say about the mother who was driving down the road, pulled the car over, turned around, shot both her children in the chest and killed them?

What do you think about that? What should happen to that mother who did that kind of horrible thing to her children? What should happen to her?

I wonder. I believe in capital punishment for murder, for guys like Ted Bundy, for guys like the

Green River killer Ridgway. I believe in the death penalty for someone like Jeffrey Dahmer.

I believe in the death penalty for these men that did this to this 12 year old girl, Jocelyn.

I believe in the death penalty for that. The Christian worldview has standards. Yeah. And if you're truly for life, you will want to protect and preserve human life, innocent human life, and you will execute the criminal, the perpetrator.

That is a truly life -preserving position. Protect the innocent lives and the person who will harm innocent human lives.

That's very different from the abortion worldview. Yeah. Right. We would say the death penalty is pro -life.

It's what happens when the state exercises its right in accordance with God's commands to execute guilty criminals.

Right. On the other hand, abortion is what happens when private individuals exercise an act of volition to execute innocent victims.

That's right. See the difference? Yep. We believe that guilty people should die for a crime that God says is worthy of death.

Right. You believe that an innocent person should die for existing. Yeah. Let's make sure this is abundantly clear.

And when it comes to the Biden -Harris HQ platform, the Biden regime, we both believe in the death penalty.

Exactly. We both, I believe in the death penalty and you believe in the death penalty.

And here's the difference though. I believe in the death penalty for murderers and perpetrators.

You believe in the death penalty for innocent pre -born human beings. Do you see the difference?

It's both of us believe that somebody should be able to die. I believe in it for the murderers, the perpetrators, the evil ones.

You believe in it for the innocent children. And so make no mistake about it. We're all having a version of the death penalty here.

Yeah. In other words, we both have worldviews for crimes that we view are unallowable.

Yeah. Your unallowable crime is what you did, Jeff. When you put your thumb in the eye of their false

God of human autonomy. Yeah. That when you committed, uh, when you broke the blasphemy law of criticizing the

God of autonomy, right. I do what I want with my own body, even to the point of disregarding another human's body.

When you put your thumb in the eye of that false God, you came after the source of law, the source of sovereignty in that worldview, because the cardinal sin in their worldview is to remove someone's freedom to impose their will upon another human being.

Yeah. In our worldview, the cardinal sin is to so callously and carelessly disregard the life of an image bearer of God.

So the question becomes is which worldview values human life more. Yeah. That's the question.

Yeah. Does God value life more than you? The answer is yes, he does.

He values human beings more than you do. That's right. I don't want to derail the conversation, but someone in the chat said that death penalty is not

Christian. Yeah. I was just getting ready to address that. I saw you looking at the same way. I just wrote an article on it.

You can get that at endabortionnow .com under our editorials. It's under capital punishment is pro -life.

Yeah. So just, I'll just say quickly to Christians that just want to make God look like a meanie and unjust, which is exactly what you're doing when you say that the death penalty is unjust as you make

God look bad because he imposes it a lot in his word and talks about the goodness of it.

So somebody said, Jesus didn't necessarily preach death penalty, but I don't know. Okay. Okay.

Someone said here under New Testament that the death penalty is not

New Testament. Okay. Well, first of all, if you talk about it, the death penalty is not Jesus' perspective.

You're going to have a really hard time, friends, when you read Jesus in Matthew 5, 17 through 19, where Jesus gives his position on the law of God.

He says, do not even begin to think, do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.

And he says that if any of you teaches anyone to reject or deny or disobey even the least of these commandments, you'll be called least in the kingdom of heaven and whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And that word just for the audience sake, because a lot of Christians I think hold this false perspective on that, that when

Jesus came to fulfill the law, he meant to do away with it by completing it himself. And so now things like justice are no longer, we no longer worry about that, post dissension.

But the word fulfill literally means to give righteousness its full force. That's what

Christ came to do. And that by no means eliminates the need for people to be punished by the state, which is the teaching of scripture, not individual, it's not personal vengeance of which

Jesus himself denounces in the sermon on the mount. You have heard it was said eye for eye, tooth for tooth.

He's referring to the duty of the judicial civil magistrate to do their job, which the apostle

Paul confirms in Romans 13, abused text as well. He says, don't take vengeance.

This is up to God. But who is God's avenger? According to Romans 13, because we see in Romans 12, don't take personal vengeance.

Everyone loves to quote that verse. Don't, uh, don't get back at your enemies. Well, why? Well, because Romans 13 is a common behind it with the civil magistrate's job to do their duty and their duty is not a mob.

Their duty is as an office bearing representative. Yeah. They are representing the authority of God under his law, representing his authority in his office to serve in the ministry of justice by terrorizing those who do evil.

Yeah. Making it a terror. You tell them I'm coming in Romans 13 is coming right behind it.

But anyways, I just want to lay that. No, you need to. I'm glad you did. So, so when you look in the old, we've done shows in this before.

You can go look them up. You can also just do the Bible verse searches yourself. You'll find it from literally

Genesis through the Torah, throughout the old Testament into the new Testament. The, the just a standard of the death penalty for certain crimes is upheld.

It's even upheld by the apostle Paul, uh, post cross, post resurrection, post ascension in the book of Acts where Paul is on trial.

And this is what the inspired apostle says with Jesus sitting on his throne after the ascension, all that work has been done, new covenants in force.

So we're in the new covenant era. Okay. And when Paul says this, he says, if I've done anything worthy of death,

I don't object to dying. Acts 25 11. That's right. So when Paul is on trial, he grants as an inspired apostle, the goodness and validity of the death penalty in certain cases.

So he even says, look, if I've done anything worthy of death, so there are things worthy of death.

According to the apostle Paul, he says, then I don't object to dying. You've got to do your job. If that's justice on my part for me, then you have to do what you have to do because there are things worthy of death.

Now Paul's making the point. I haven't done anything worthy of death, but if I have, please feel free to take my life.

That's the inspired apostle after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus. And I think he's an extremely reliable source. So when

Christians say that in the new covenant, we don't allow for the death penalty, I'm going to say, please, please, please read your

Bibles. And please think about stories like Jocelyn. This, we need to stop playing games.

These are victims, real serious victims. Rape is, is a death penalty crime. You know, I wonder what, would this be such a big deal?

I wonder if, uh, if the New York times interviewed me and said, well, what's your ultimate position on the issue of like, say rape, what should the punishment be for rape?

And I say death penalty. I think no one's, no one's really going to decry that. Maybe some people are like, Oh, I don't think we have to really rehabilitate and do this or that.

No one's not thinking as much pushback. Um, if I was to say it's, you know, I want, uh, convicted pedophiles to receive the death penalty.

I think actually the vast majority of people will be like, yeah, I think I will. Yeah. I think I will actually support that position myself.

Uh, but it's when you get to this question of murder, maybe people won't balk at it.

When I say Jocelyn's murderers should receive the death penalty. That's the Christian position, by the way, not just for the rape, but for the murder,

Jocelyn, Jocelyn's murderers should receive the death penalty. That's my position.

Yeah. And that's the historic position of the Christian church. I'm not a theological novelty.

Me, my position, my position on a death penalty is not a theological novum. It's not new in history.

My position as a minister of the gospel, however imperfect I am as a minister of the gospel, my position is the historic position of the

Christian church that murder deserves the death penalty. And that's what I said. And then

I said something else and you need to hear it. So let's go ahead and play the side by sides.

So if you guys look at the screen here, the left side, Trump ally,

Jeff Durbin, leader of Republican opposition to Arizona abortion measure says women deserve to be executed. If they have an abortion, you forfeit your right to live.

All right. So that's the clip that came from the official rapid response page for the

Biden Harris campaign. Let's just, once again, read that line. Trump ally,

Jeff Durbin, leader of Republican opposition to Arizona abortion measure. I feel bad about that by the way.

Yeah, I've supported, prayed, pulled together a team, encouraged guys, but you know what?

I just got to say, and you know who you are. Thank you to the members of Apologia church who are the real leaders of the opposition to the

Arizona abortion measure. I'm a pastor leader and I've helped to organize a bit, but trust me, the people who are on the ground right now, sweating and doing all the work, it ain't pastor

Jeff. And I don't want the credit for it because if anyone needs a credit, of course, all glory goes to God, but as the people who are out there doing all the hard work and those are the members of Apologia church,

I love you and I'm grateful for you. And just know that I don't believe that I'm the leader of the Republican opposition to Arizona abortion measure.

Just had to say it. But Trump ally says women deserve to be executed if they have an abortion, you forfeit your right to live.

So here we go side by side. So we're going to play on the left. This is the Biden Harris version.

Abortion should be considered a crime. It should be considered a murder. You're unjustly taking the life of a human being.

And so that's murder. And what I've said is what is the historic position of the

Christian church? That if you take the life of a human being unjustly, then what the state owes you, if it's proven and it's true, is capital punishment.

You forfeit your right to live. And there's where they stopped. All right, everyone got that.

It took a little clip. How many seconds was that? 20 something seconds. I think there was the clip. Trump ally,

Trump ally says women deserve to be executed if they have an abortion, you forfeit your right to live. What was the context?

What is the historic Christian position on murder? The justice required for murder, all murder.

What is the principled position? What is the just penalty? I am not a theological novum.

I'm not some new thing in history. This guy wants execution for murder. That's the biblical position.

That's the historic Orthodox Christian position. It's been the position in our nation. History until five minutes ago.

You murder somebody, you forfeit your right to live. That is not a strange position.

You guys are the strange ones. Murderers like Jocelyn's murderers deserve to die.

That is justice from the state. Now, however, because we live in a fallen world, there are sometimes principles that collide with each other.

Like for example, this would be just, this is what God requires, but we're in a fallen world with an unjust judicial system.

And so then here's what I actually said in context and they clipped it off. Here it is.

Abortion should be considered a crime. It should be considered a murder. You're unjustly taking the life of a human being.

And so that's murder. And what I've said is what is the historic position of the

Christian church? That if you take the life of a human being unjustly, then what the state owes you, if it's proven and it's true, is capital punishment.

You forfeit your right to live. However, in this nation right now, we have strayed so far from just standards of accusation and prosecution that I can't even say, and I won't say that I want capital punishment in any particular state because it could have an unjust system that leads to that capital punishment.

So do I believe in capital punishment for murder? A hundred percent. Do I believe that we are in the place right now where we can employ that with trust to our judicial system?

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And before you chomp out the gate on this here, what's the thread, the principal thread that's running through both of those statements?

The preservation of innocent life. Why do we oppose putting the sword in the hands of a justice system that is completely corrupt at this point in time?

The preservation of human life. The preservation of human life for the same reason that we're against the murder of the unborn. The preservation of innocent human life.

Innocent human life. I don't want in particular, I don't want in any particular state where you have an unjust prosecution system and judicial system.

I don't want an innocent man falling into that trap and then having his life taken when he's not guilty.

God has standards of justice in terms of independent witnesses and not corroborating independent lines of evidence and that needs to be there.

But you also have to have in cross examination, you have to have witnesses who also have a threat coming towards them from the court, right?

How do you protect somebody from false accusations? You make sure that the witnesses know that if you're found out to be lying about your testimony and witness, then you will be punished with the punishment that he would have gotten had we believed you.

So how do you preserve this guy from false accusations is the justice has to go both ways.

Both ways has to also go towards the witness to say, if you're caught lying, if you make something up, if you're a perjurer, if you're a perjurer, then you will get the punishment he would have got.

And in a murder case, that means that if you're a lying witness, you're making a story up and you're falsifying evidence and all the rest.

If you're caught doing that in God's judicial standards, then you will get the death penalty that he would have gotten because they would have believed you and he would have died.

You were trying to take an innocent life by lying. Do we have that kind of standard in our court system now to protect people who are innocent from false accusations?

No. So I am very troubled by a justice system that says, you know, we'll allow lying witnesses.

If they're caught lying, what do we do get a slap on the wrist kind of a thing? Like what, what kind of penalty do we give them? Maybe, maybe a fine or something.

I don't know. I'm a couple of days in jail. That's not good enough for me. I need to know that the accused is going to have the justice, the protection of justice to say that all of these witnesses know if they lie about me, if they lie, they're going to get what

I would have got, which means actually when that witness in God's standards sits down in that seat and starts talking, there's a heck of a lot of confidence in that court that this person is probably telling the truth about their testimony because they know, they know if they're caught lying, then they're going to get the sentence themselves.

So it means that that emboldens the witness. Let's say that it's real murder. I witnessed it. I know that it's true.

I'm going to get right in that chair. But let me tell you my story. Let me tell you what I know. This is exactly what I saw.

It's exactly what happened. And I'm here because it's the truth. A lying witness is not sitting in that seat.

So there's more that can be said in terms of a just system of prosecution according to God's standards.

But that's what I said. One, the point is murder.

Is it murder to take the life of an unborn child in the womb and an unjustified manner?

Yeah, that's murder. And then the second question is according to God's law and historic

Christian law, what is the just penalty for any case of murder?

Like even Jocelyn, what's the just penalty? It's the death penalty. That is the historic

Christian position of the church. However, I said the word, however, right after, and the

Biden regime cuts it right off. They cut it right off. I was just going to say just quickly to summarize because you made a great distinction there.

It's the preservation of innocent life because scripture, God's law does allow for the taking of guilty life.

That's right. Right. And so I just want to just say that in a quick little synopsis sentence, because that's especially seeing some of the comments here today.

It's, it's important that there is a distinction there. Innocent life versus guilty.

The person is guilty. You know, I think it's easy to be honest.

It's easy for people to have an opinion, even professing Christians. God love you. Even professing

Christians that are opposed to the death penalty. I think the weight of scripture is against you. The weight of history is against you, but you know, if you were in Jocelyn's mother's shoes right now, it wouldn't be as easy for you to oppose the death penalty.

They killed her. They took her life. There's no way to pay that back. In God's law, when you have something like theft, well, theft can be fixed.

You can recover all of that. You can fix that. And the person can come back whole to society. The perpetrator can come back whole to society because he made the person he offended and he victimized.

He made them whole times two, right? Or if it's a business, God even has different standards for how they get back, get paid back.

The point is, is you can fix that. If I damage your property, I can fix that.

I can make it, make you, I can have you be fully recovered. When it comes to the issue of murder, there is no fixing it.

You cannot fix it. You cannot repay it. It doesn't come back. And that's why

God says eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life, equal justice. There must be equal justice.

And it's life for life because you took a life so you forfeit your right to live because you can't pay that back.

Jocelyn's mother is not getting anything back. There's no amount of time or money that's going to give her that girl back.

And Jocelyn can't be paid back. And that's why the death penalty in scripture is just in the instance of enslavement, kidnapping and enslaving.

You're taking a human, a human being's life away from them. And the issue of rape and the issue of murder.

And so capital punishment is what God's standard is when it comes to murder. All murder.

And that was the question of the interview. What's in the womb? What is actually taking place? It's the unjustified taking of human life.

What's a just penalty for murder? Period. Capital punishment. That's the historic Christian position.

That's my position. And then I said, however, however, fallen world principles and conflict.

Do we have a just system to be able to say all this was done right? The accused had all of his rights preserved.

The witnesses made sure that they were protected too. All the way through this is, was this a just system?

All that has to be in place too. I don't want innocent men going on death row because I want to preserve human life, innocent human life.

And someone might, someone might ask, well, you're making a big deal about this whole thing being just, a just procedure of law and jurisprudence.

Why? Well, you better hope it's just. You better hope our court procedures are fundamentally

Christian in nature, like the heritage that we have standing behind us. Because when a witness gets up on that stand and puts their hand on a

Bible and swears to God, who is the authority outside of them and over them to tell the truth, we're assuming a few things there that the person is required, morally required to tell the truth.

And that if they don't, the state will bring down justice upon them. You had better hope that we do things correctly and justly when it comes to our procedures of evidence and witnesses.

And you'd better hope that our justice system has been deeply and thoroughly impacted by the Christian worldview.

Yeah. And also that kind of accountability. And exactly. And then the ultimate accountability there in the justice system is when you raise that hand to God, put your hand on the

Bible, you say, so help me God, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. When you say that, that is in the court system today.

That is an affirmation that there is a day of judgment. That's what you're saying, right? When you stand up before God and witnesses and raise your hand to God, God, watch me say this, watch me say this.

So help me God. Meaning there's a day of justice and judgment ahead of all of mankind. And you are affirming in the court.

I recognize that day of judgment. I recognize the sovereign over this entire universe. I recognize he is the truth.

I recognize he's a righteous and just and Holy God. I recognize he's a God's God of wrath. And so God, watch me say what

I'm saying, because I will stand before your throne one day and be accountable for every word. That's what the hand of God means.

Yeah. Yeah. So we need a Christian system. It's only the Christian system that fits with those presuppositions, right?

You don't get that in our culture with, there is no standard above me, over me, except what

I choose for myself, right? That's not a worldview that fits with being able to have justice.

Sorry. That's exactly right. So, uh, on the screen again, it says Trump ally because not only do they cut off my words,

Hey, at least the New York times didn't, you know, good on you, New York times. I know you don't agree with me.

I know you have a different worldview, but thank you to the New York times for having the integrity to put my whole statement in and a shame on Biden Harris regime for cutting me up into pieces.

And, uh, here we go. Uh, Trump ally. So you heard me say that I have no affections ultimately for the

Republican party or anything like that. I, what I'm looking for is consistency in principle, but we're obviously from my perspective as a

Christian, as a pastor in a very difficult moment, because it would seem to be that both candidates, whether it's

Biden or Trump, both have radically un -Christian worldviews on so many issues.

And so it becomes very challenging. I'm not saying that as a Christian, you need to have the perfect candidate.

Um, but you're right on this issue. It becomes very challenging for someone like me. Um, I don't idolize

Trump. I'm thankful for some of the things that he did that are consistent with the Christian worldview. I'm thankful for a lot of those things, but at the same time,

I think it's important to call out where he is inconsistent and where he demonstrates that I'm more concerned with the votes than I am lives.

I think the idolatry of Trump amongst Christians in America is shameful. I first wanted to ask about national folks too.

We've seen Donald Trump, frankly, step away from calls for a federal abortion ban.

We've seen Republican Senator Kerry Lake step away from calls for a federal abortion ban.

What is your reaction to just the way national or kind of big name Republicans who were pro -life and anti -abortion four or five years ago have kind of become pro -state decide on its own?

Yeah, I think it's demonstrating that a lot of these politicians are not as committed to the principles they say they are.

And they're in fact, charlatans. You know, I believe this for votes. I believe this for the crowd, but I don't actually believe it in principle.

And so I think what Donald Trump did, uh, and what, how he came out was it exposes his inconsistency, but it also demonstrates that he doesn't really believe what he says he believes.

And the same for Kerry Lake. All right. So see, we have to be able to do that though.

Like we have to be able not just to dig our heels in and gloss over these inconsistencies and frankly, lack of integrity at a, at a scale this large.

Like if a man is professing to run on a particular party platform saying that he is for certain values, he has to be held to that.

Exactly. Like, we can't just gloss over that because we want him to win because it could make life a little bit easier for us.

Yeah. And, uh, so I'm just wondering when they say Trump ally, those sounds like there's, there's a, do those sound really like the words of a

Trump ally? I mean, I'm literally calling them out. I mean, if I use the word charlatan, someone's being a pretender, right?

Charlatan. Um, someone who's, who's says they believe something. They don't really believe it.

They're doing it to get something from you. Right? Sleight of hand, right? They're, you know, magician, like pay attention to this over here.

Well, I'm hiding this over here. That's my point. Charlatan, like Kerry Lake, complete charlatan, complete total charlatan.

Uh, that's what I said in response. You say, you believe this and you say it for votes and money and for the crowd, but you don't actually believe it because when you're pressed on it, you say, no, let's compromise.

Let's get to the middle. Let's sacrifice some human lives that we say all life is sacred. All life deserves to be protected.

All life is human life from fertilization. But we don't really believe that we don't legislate that way. Right? Like I know for a fact that it was

Republican leaders who were contacting all of our legislators in Arizona, telling them to repeal the law that criminalized abortion in Arizona.

That thing was killed primarily by the Republican party and pro -lifers. You need to know that behind the scenes.

I've got information about a very big name that was calling people personally in Arizona to tell them to make sure you repeal that law.

A very big name, maybe a name we've already mentioned. Trump ally. If boy, if that's being a

Trump, if that's being a Trump ally, I'd hate to see what a Trump enemy is. Um, you know, as, as a pastor, as a

Christian, I'm always saying like, look, I'm not a perfect man. I'm still a work in progress, but I know what

God's word says about his standards of justice and wisdom. And what have I always said? What does everyone always heard me saying and preaching on unequal weights and measures are an abomination in God's eyes.

We are not to show partiality. We're not to have a favorite face. We're not to ignore evidence and stuff against our favorite face.

We have to do justice. We have to uphold justice, have the same standards. And so I can't live in such a way where, you know,

I really want Biden to lose this time. So I'm just going to go ahead and just support the guy who is holding to such a radically un -Christian worldview on so many issues.

I have to say, as a minister of the gospel, that's wrong. Like I can't, shouldn't we be able to think in categories to say,

Hey, I'm thankful for some of the things that president Trump did that actually preserved human life and helped people and were biblical in nature.

Am I thankful for that? Very thankful. Praise the Lord for that. But at the same time, I have to be able to not show partiality and say,

Hey, he's being wholly inconsistent here. And it's leading to more death.

He's helping these babies to die. And I can't just say, well,

I'm just so gung ho for the Republican party and conservatism and all the rest and, you know, MAGA and all the rest. So I'm going to,

I'm going to ignore all of that. That's, that's partiality. That's having a favorite face and ignoring all contrary evidence.

And I don't want to live that way. I don't want to live that way. And I hope you don't either. And so that's why as a minister of the gospel, as a

Christian, I say, Hey, he's wrong in these areas. And it's very serious. This is being a charlatan.

This is being a phony. This is being a fake. This is saying, you don't really believe what you say. You believe we should be able to talk like that.

And if you can't talk like that, if, if look, your favorite person fails in some way and you can't simply say,

Hey, that's wrong and confront it. Yes. Then that's idolatry. That's right. Yep. That's idolatry.

Really? Go ahead. Really? There's denunciation here that you're getting out on, on both sides of the political aisle that unfortunately, and it's true, they engage in idolatrous support of their candidate.

You have to be able to say that equally on both sides, because the problem, the, the problem of us trying to use politics to save us from our existential crisis is not uniquely

Democrat. It's not just on their side. Yeah. That they have a particular worldview that says we will use the political system to gain for us the desired outcome that will reinforce our values and our way of life.

And we demand godlike provision from the state in order to see that through. But then we can't be on the other side of that using politics to save us from the crisis that we find ourselves in by casting away our principles in support of someone to the point that we won't even denounce the inconsistent things that they're saying and doing, like we, we, we can't be beyond that.

Again, the problem that we think this world is going to be solved or that even that we think that we're going to have so much room to do something, no matter which a moral man gets into office, that what needs to be the focus of our efforts is understanding that,

Hey, you know what? Politics has been an awful savior. It's been an awful God. For sure.

So why don't we go back and try the living God now? Uh, because he'll deliver us from all of our, our sins.

He'll deliver us from all of our problems because he actually is the one that can provide, and he has provided in Christ, who is the one who took the death sentence for our sin, right?

Proof that capital punishment is real and that God's law requires it is that there was a man who underwent it on behalf of his people for the sins of God to satisfy the justice or for the sins of humankind to satisfy divine justice.

So that's the message that this world needs. Yeah, that's it. That's a, a clear and compelling biblical argument, logical argument in terms of does

God support the death penalty? That's the very source of our redemption is that he put his son on that cross to receive the death penalty we deserve.

So to say like Christianity and somehow in a new covenant doesn't have support for the death penalty, it all surrounds the death penalty of Jesus on our behalf.

And so interesting to see that Christians would just try their very best to get around that. It's like, well, do you believe in the cross?

Did he die for your sins? Do you deserve that? Oh, we do deserve the death penalty, don't we?

So it's interesting. Um, we're going to go over to the after show, just a moment here.

We're going to actually review some of Conover's article he just dropped. I'd like to go through that just briefly. And, uh, so come over there with us to apologiastudios .com.

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Don't believe the lie. Uh, and so we're working hard, uh, as we end the show though, I want to point everyone to, yeah,

I was going to say, you know, who, uh, does support, uh, the taking of guilty life, uh, Bill Rapier, uh,

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