January 30, 2025 Show with Dr. Tony Costa on “NO KING BUT CHRIST: The COLLAPSE & BANKRUPTCY of SECULAR WORLDVIEWS (Revisited)”

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And I am thrilled that, God willing, we are back finally to airing the broadcast live daily, Monday through Friday, with few exceptions airing reruns here and there, rather than that being the predominant makeup of the broadcast.

There were many factors involved for the very long hiatus. The primary one, as many of you already know, was my health. I've been battling congestive heart failure in and out of the hospital, and then was traveling, was able to travel to Long Island, New York, my old stomping grounds, to MC, a conference that Iron Sharpens Iron Radio was hosting with First Love Ministries and First Love Radio at Hope Reform Baptist Church of Coram, Long Island, New York.

And we had as our keynote speaker Dr. Conrad Mbewe, my favorite preacher of all time. I think he's the most powerful preacher alive on the planet Earth, and that is not an exaggeration. He is pastor of Kibwete Baptist Church in Wissaka, Zambia, Africa, and the founding chancellor of African Christian University.

You can hear those messages by all four of the speakers at that conference on YouTube. Just type in the YouTube search engine First Love Ministries 2025 Pastors Conference, and all of the videos will come up.

Dr. Conrad Mbewe, thankfully, by the mercy and good providence of God enabled Dr. Conrad Mbewe and myself to visit a very dear longtime mutual friend of both of ours, Gary Wolf, who lives or lived on Long Island up until last week, or two weeks ago, I should say.

Gary was battling stomach cancer, and Dr. Mbewe and I wanted desperately to see Gary because we knew it would be likely the last time we saw him face-to-face, this sight of glory. We did visit him in his home where he was receiving hospice care at home.

When we were there, his dear wife Cynthia was taking care of him, and we were so glad that we had the opportunity to share fellowship with Gary. Dr. Mbewe ministered to Gary so beautifully, so compassionately, so tenderly, so biblically, because Gary was very afraid of dying, even though he was a true, regenerate, born-again brother and Christ.

We have nothing but the utmost confidence of that. But people react to facing death differently, and Gary was very afraid to die, and turns out our Lord had mercy on Gary and took him home to himself, safely, for eternity, a lot earlier than the doctors had held out for him in their prognosis.

He died about, I believe, six months prior to the expected date of his passing, and so I think that was just a pure act of mercy on God, because God, being omniscient, of course, knew that Gary was so afraid.

So he brought it into that fear fairly abruptly. But I thank all of you for your prayers. Before I forget, let me throw out another prayer, urgent prayer request, for my sister Mary, who also lives on Long Island.

She has seriously, dangerously poor circulation problems, which have resulted in a wound in her foot that is not healing. It has been going on for years, and so the doctors have finally reached a point where they intend to amputate either part of her foot or her entire leg up to above the knee.

They have not yet made a decision on that. Please pray for my sister Mary, that the surgery goes well, that she would be given by God a peace of mind and heart over this, that her faith would prove to be genuine, total trust in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and his death on Calvary.

My sister is a Roman Catholic, so I do have my concerns about where she's placing her trust, although she gives great evidence that she's putting her whole trust in Christ. Please pray for her. And I just thank all of you.

The hundreds of responses I've been receiving from all of you, or many of you, I should say, encouraging me that you are praying for me and my loved ones, and I will never be able to thank you all enough.

But today, I am thrilled to have an old friend back on the program. His name is Dr. Tony Costa. If you have been listening to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, with any considerable length of time and consistency, his name should not be foreign to your memory banks.

Dr. Tony Costa teaches biblical archaeology and the Gospels at the University of Toronto. He's an author, he is a conference speaker, he is a theological debater with a lot of expertise, especially in the area of Islam, but that is not the only topic over which my guest has a great depth of knowledge and understanding, and he has debated quite a number of different people over quite a spectrum of religious backgrounds and themes.

And today we're discussing his new book, No King But Christ, The Collapse and Bankruptcy of Secular Worldviews. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, my dear longtime friend, Dr. Tony Costa.

Chris, as always, it's always, always a pleasure to be with you, brother. In fact,.

I miss it at times. Yeah, I miss your friendship greatly, and I hope that you and I are involved in projects in 2025, many more. In fact, let me just throw this out there, put you on the spot, embarrass you if you reject my invitation, but I am aware of a Nazarene pastor who would like to debate someone on my show on the ordination of women.

He is a man, of course, I just gave that away by saying he, but he defends, as does the Nazarene denomination, the ordination of women, although he and many in his denomination are not liberal, although there is a tragic, growing number within the ranks of the Nazarene denomination who are getting softer on the sin of homosexuality and other things, but they are, many of the congregations and leaders in that denomination are conservative, albeit their defense of the ordination of women, so he would like to debate someone on that issue, and he would also like to debate the theme of reaching total sinlessness of conscious sin on this earth while we are still alive.

He does not like sinless perfectionism as a label for that because he believes that every Christian sins unconsciously about things, but he thinks it's possible for us to be totally free of conscious sin.

So, you think those would be two issues you would like to debate on my show with this Nazarene pastor? Sure, Chris, I'd be happy to. Well, I'll try to arrange that. Well, let me, as I'm even just speaking to you, give the audience our email address in the event that they'd like to join us with a question of their own.

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal or private matter. But, Tony, this phrase that those who are true disciples of Christ, this phrase beautifully rings in our ears, no king but Christ, but not long ago it became a phrase that evoked controversy.

It was involving Candace Owen and people accusing her of using that as an anti-semitic slur. Obviously, there are wicked individuals who could be rightly labeled racist, even though I hate that term because there's only one race, the human race, but there are people who are indeed white supremacists and anti-semites who have used that phrase to bludgeon verbally the Jewish people and anyone else who is not a so-called Christian, although we would say that these people are not Christian at all.

They don't understand the first thing about the Gospels and so on. They probably, very few of them, have probably even cracked open a Bible and read it. But even though this has been misused, I don't believe Candace Owen was misusing it.

I have my own differences with her as do you on other issues. She is a Roman Catholic, a convert to Roman Catholicism. But that stirred up some controversy, but we believe that this is a beautiful truth that we are unashamed to declare.

But what were the compelling factors that led you to start tickling the keypads of your.

Computer to write this book? Yeah, I think that the kingship of Christ, Chris, is something that we don't emphasize enough. We do speak a lot about the lordship of Christ. We talk about the Lord Jesus as Savior and so forth, but his kingship is front and center to his identity.

It is extremely important because it communicates his office as the supreme sovereign over all things. And so the idea of kingship, to many Americans, of course, the United States is a republic and it's had a history where it rejected monarchy back in the days of George III and the Declaration of Independence.

But the idea of kingship is so central to the identity, not just of the Lord Jesus Christ, but it is rooted in the Old Testament where God is presented as the supreme, the king, the sovereign over creation, and the lawgiver, the one who gives the law, the source of all goodness and purpose and morality.

And also we need to understand that God created the first human pair to be his vice regents on the earth. So when he made the first human pair in his image, he gave them dominion over the earth and the fish of the sea and the beefs of the field and the fowl of the air.

And that language of dominion and subduing is regal language. It's royal language. And even the terms image of God, it was a term that was used of the king in the ancient Near East and the neighboring nations of Israel.

The kings were called the image of the God. The kings were called the son of the God. And this type of language was also shared by Israel when they spoke of their king. And so the concept of monarchy, while it may be somewhat foreign to American ears because of the revolution and, of course, the republic, etc., it is a central tenant of biblical theology.

And it is used to speak of God as the supreme sovereign. It speaks of the primacy of Christ over all things. And even his messianic identity, Chris, the Messiah, the Mashiach, the anointed one, this is language that goes back to the monarchy as well.

Kings were anointed with oil. And so the very word Christ or Messiah denotes the concept of kingship. It also denotes the Lord Jesus as the priest, because priests were also anointed with oil and prophets were anointed with oil.

And so the triple offices of Christ, of king and prophet and priest, are subsumed under the title Messiah or Christ. So every time you and I say Christ or the Lord Jesus Christ, the kingship of Christ is implicit in that title.

So what would be unique about the application of king to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? There are some who would take that phrase in a strict sense that would make any earthly king anywhere on the globe illegitimate.

We who are Americans, unlike you folks north of the border up there, have always, since the founding of this nation, having been liberated from the yoke of the royal throne in England, Americans have always had a disdain for the idea of a king here, not necessarily for other countries having kings, but there are some who would say no country should have a king anywhere, but especially we should never have the return to a monarchy and having a king or a queen here.

And then others say, well, the Bible doesn't prohibit other earthly kings other than Christ. So tell us, how is that latter view compatible with the fact that we have no king but Jesus? Is there a different realm in which we could say that with fullness of truth while allowing for a political office known as a king?

Right. Well, kingship, Chris, is the oldest form.

Of government that we have in human history. The oldest documents we have from Sumeria all speak of kingship as the rule, the government of the people. It is the oldest form of government. And as I said, it was a concept that was shared with all the ancient Near Eastern folks that were associated with Israel.

And of course, the question is, where does that kingship come from? Well, even the ancient Canaanites and ancient Sumerians, they recognized kingship came from heaven. And when it talks about kingship coming down from heaven and society for being established, the gods are the ones who established the monarchy.

So when we look at the evolution of human history, and I mean evolution not in a biological Darwinian sense, but in the development of human history, we find that kings ruled. That was the way of governance, was kingship.

And the Bible recognizes various human kings, of course, Nebuchadnezzar, Osiris the Great, Darius, and even Pharaoh was king of Egypt that Moses confronted. There are human kings. And the medieval period of Western Europe was dominated by kingship and the divine right of kings and so forth.

And the Bible accepts this, that these kings have been appointed by God. That's why in 1 Timothy 2 .1, Paul says that I request that prayers be made for kings and rulers and those in authority. And 1 Peter speaks about fear of the king and fear God and obey the king or the emperor in the first century context.

So the book of Revelation points out, Chris, that Jesus Christ is the king of kings and not just king of kings, but Lord of lords. And so that implies that he is the king over all human kings, that they are all subservient to him and they derive their right to rule through him.

And it.

Also implies that there are other kings. Correct. In Revelation 1 .5, it says.

That Jesus Christ is the ruler of the kings of the earth. And so obviously it's there. Psalm 2, why did the people imagine of a thing? Why did the kings of the earth, they've gathered together against the Lord and his anointed.

And so in Psalm 2, you have this tension between the rulers of the earth, the kings of the earth, and they're opposing Yahweh and his anointed, his Messiah. And Yahweh speaks to them in his anger and says, I've appointed my king on my holy hill of Zion.

And then he tells us that that king is his son. You are my son. And today I begotten you ask of me and I'll make the nations your inheritance. So this idea of Christ being king goes right back to Genesis 3 .15 with the seed of the woman.

It develops over a revelation history where he is to come from Shem, the son of Noah. He is to come through Abraham's lineage. Abraham, of course, if you look at his life, Chris, Abraham himself was a prophet of God.

He was a priest. He offered sacrifice to God. He was also a king because he was the ancestor, obviously, of David. And he also did battle with the kings to get Lot back, to recover Lot from the abduction of the various kings who took him.

And if you look at God's election of Israel in Exodus 4 .22, he calls Israel his son, my firstborn son. And then in Exodus 19, verse six, he says, you are a kingdom of priests unto me. And so God had established that his people collectively would be his son.

That is, again, this is the sonship language that is associated with the king, and that his people are a kingdom of priests. And in 1 Peter 2 .9, Peter takes that and he says to the church, you are a royal priesthood, a chosen generation.

And then, of course, in Revelation 1 .4 -5, it says that Christ has made us a kingdom of priests to serve his God. So just like our great priest king in heaven, our great high priest who is the priest king, Christ has established you and I, Chris, as a royal priesthood.

And what that means is that through him, by the Holy Spirit, we reign with him spiritually at this point, spiritually, and then physically at his advent, his second advent. But what we are doing in Christ is we are reclaiming what Adam lost.

Adam was given that dominion over the earth, and they were to rule as God's viceroys on the earth. And, of course, they forfeited that by rejecting the king and by listening to Satan and basically thinking, well, we can be our own kings.

I don't need God as king. I can be my own king and I could rule and determine my destiny. In fact, as Satan tempted them, they could be as God, knowing good and evil.

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Yeah, that.

Subtitle, Chris, is meant to show that all forms of government that we have had in human history, and still have today, whether it's monarchy, or whether it's oligarchy, or socialism, communism, or even democracy, dictatorship, etc., all of these have been attempts for humans to rule without God.

That is to say that these are attempts for humans to maintain governance and maintain law and order. And even democracy, which is the best that we have right now, democracy is still not perfect. I mean, we have seen this, for example, in the past administration of Harrison and Biden, and how democracy sometimes can be manipulated, and it can bring about sometimes.

Results that are not conducive to the Christian worldview. In fact, the founding fathers of the why they prefer to view it as a constitutional republic, because democracy basically, to them,.

Meant mob rule. Yes, yes. It means the rule of the people. So yes, you're right. And that can go either way. So the whole argument there, Chris, is that if we look at the history of the world up to the present point, what we find is that governments, when they reject God as the source of law, which the founding fathers of the United States understood that God was the one that gave us human rights, that these are inalienable rights, that they don't come from ourselves or the government, that they are rights that God confers on us, because we are his image bearers.

When we turn against that idea of God as the sovereign and as the lawgiver, and this ties into kingship again, in the ancient world, the king was the lawgiver as well. And this is why in Deuteronomy 17, the king in Israel was to make a copy of the Torah.

He was to write a copy of the Torah and study it so that he'd be able to administer justice. And this is where we see Solomon, for example, where God grants him wisdom to rule the people, but on top of that, God gives him wealth so that the Solomonic era becomes really the zenith of Israel's history until Solomon's apostasy.

And so the king is the lawgiver, and he receives the law from God, and he is the one who is to enforce it. Also, the shepherds. In the ancient world, the kings were shepherds of their people. And so you begin to see all of this starts to come together, that God chose David, who was a shepherd of his father's sheep, Jesse, and then God took him from the sheepfold and made him king over his people, a man after his own heart.

And of course, Moses was a prince in Egypt, and then he ran off, and for 40 years, he was a shepherd of the sheep of Midian. And in the last 40 years of his life, God used him to become the deliverer of the people, to bring them out of Egypt and receive the law from God, et cetera.

And so what we find, Chris, is that when you look at the book of Judges, Judges is like a template. It shows us what life is like without God. It basically says in the time of the Judges, this was a time when people did what was right in their own eyes.

But then it makes this interesting comment, because there was no king in Israel. And so the king there in the book of Judges is being spoken of as the stabilizing foundation of order, law and order, and morality within the nation.

And it's no surprise that right after the book of Judges, you have this little book of Ruth, and the last word in the book of Ruth is David. And so Ruth is already preparing us for the rise of the monarchy.

She's a matriarchal ancestor of the Messiah, of our Lord, she's mentioned in Matthew 1 .5 in the genealogy, and she's also the matriarchal ancestor of David. So what I'm saying with that subtitle, Chris, is that if you look at the history of the world, what we find is every time nations turned against God or rejected His law, what this has resulted in is abuse, absolute power, corrupts, absolutely.

You see this in the reigns of King Louis, the Sun King in France, right before the French Revolution, where they abolished the monarchy. You also see it with King George III, when America was part of the British colonies, and the colonies were saying, look, no taxation without representation.

If you don't represent us in the parliament, then why should we be paying taxes to the crown? And so you've seen abuses there. You see abuses with oligarchies. You see it with the rise of Marxism and how people's lives are, the sanctity of life is removed and so on.

And it all goes back to, Chris, a rejection of God as our King. And of course, in the New Covenant, of course, the Lord Jesus Christ, the God-Man as the King, the King of Kings. And what I demonstrate in my book, Chris, is I deal with the subject of social justice and woke-ism, how it has utterly destroyed the West.

I mean, thank God President Trump has been already moving to reverse the incredible damage that Biden and Harris inflicted on the United States in terms of woke-ism and transgenderism and the rot that was just in the United States with all the illegal immigrants in the country committing crimes and so forth.

And so what I argue, Chris, is that all these forms of secular worldviews, they're all bankrupt. They're falling apart. They're collapsing. Same here with Canada. We are in a very dire predicament right now with the fact that our parliament has been paroled.

That is, it's been basically dissolved until a new person is chosen to replace Justin Trudeau. But Canada has just been reeling with one of the highest taxations in the G7. Almost about 50 of our income, Chris, goes to taxes.

And now with President Trump's tariffs that he's going to be enforcing, I believe, this Saturday, the 1st of February, this is just going to cause fuel prices to go up in Canada and so forth. But a lot of that has to do with irresponsible government.

Our prime minister, Justin Trudeau, is a godless man, a wicked man, has no regard for God or his law, has no regard for the sanctity of life in the womb or even in old age. And so the transgenderism in Canada, you can be charged for hate crimes.

And so all of this demonstrates that we need to come back to our king. And this is why I have called in my book, Chris, I speak of the final form of government that will be in place when Christ returns.

I call it theocratic monarchy. And so this is God reigning through his king, through the Lord Jesus. And that is the one government that Scripture speaks of. That is the government that the book of Revelation predicts, the kingdoms of the world will become the kingdoms of our God and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.

And so until then, Chris, we continue to see the destructive consequences of holding to views that divorce God from the sanctity of life, divorce God from what it means to be human. And I think we're seeing this right now in the West.

I mean, the West is in huge, huge trouble. By the West, I mean Western Europe, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, and of course, until recent, the United States was really, really regressing.

Chris Okay, we have Hargrove in Schenectady, New York, who wants to know, does anyone you know in Canada, especially from among those that agree with you theologically and politically, do any of them give a serious thought to President Trump's offer to Canada to become a 51st state?

David Yes, yes. And so for the record, I would welcome that as well.

Chris. Really?

David I have no problem. Oh, yeah, I have no problem, Chris. We are really at a breaking point here. And I'll be honest with you, Chris, as long as if we do become the 51st state, as long as we have a maple leaf on the flag instead of a star, so we'll have 50 stars with one maple leaf.

But to be quite honest with you, Chris, we were just recently in Florida in the United States, and we love America. It is indeed the land of the free and the home of the brave. And I believe that the U .S. Constitution is the greatest piece of legislation in the world.

And I speak as a Canadian in saying that. So I personally would have no objection to it. I know friends of mine here who would have no objection to it. They're just sick and tired of the woke government of Justin Trudeau.

He has really driven this beautiful country into the ground. And this is why he is the most disliked person in Canada.

Chris. Wow. So I'm assuming then that you have not had your views, your high views of Donald Trump diminished by this public?

Oh, no, not at all. I mean, yeah, he's not perfect, but I think President Donald Trump loved his country. He puts America first, and that's what every national elected leader is supposed to do. That's why they are elected for that purpose.

And so I really respect him from the get-go, affirming male and female are the only two genders that we will hold to. He's banning the sexual transitioning of children where their body parts are butchered and so forth.

I'm really happy to see that. I'm glad to see that RFK today in the hearings, he put Bernie Sanders and Pocahontas in their place after disclosing how much money they'd been paid off by pharmaceuticals.

And so I'm seeing a government that wants to be transparent. I think their deportation of illegals is absolutely crucial. You know, Chris, up here in Canada, in Edmonton, in Alberta, there were some Canadians who had these signs up saying, deport them all, that is, deport all the illegals.

You know, the RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, which is the equivalent of your FBI, is now investigating these Canadians just for putting up these signs, deport them all. Just think about that for a minute.

They had no problem with the pro-Palestinians calling for genocide from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. No problem with that, no problem with calling for the death of Jews. But when Canadians simply say, deport them all, deport all these illegals, the Canadian federal police is now examining this as a potential racist crime, which is absolutely.

Ridiculous. And this, most of the folks that I've heard publicly, even those that would be conservative, are not at all in favor of any kind of joining of the Union of the United States and becoming the 51st state.

But it's interesting that you have that view. We have, go ahead, I'm sorry.

No, I agree. And there's some of my colleagues here in Canada, Trump is saying what he's saying. So, I mean, I would not be adverse to it.

Huh. Well, that's fascinating to know. We have Prudence in East...

I'm sorry, Chris, you cut off there? You cut off a little bit?

Yeah, you cut off too. Can you hear me now? Can you hear? Yeah. Okay. We have Prudence in East Islip, Long Island, New York, who wants to know, does your book address the in-house divisions that exist even among very like-minded conservative Christians regarding how we address these secular powers that attempt to be rivals with Christ?