Refuting A Proud Murderer

The Public Square, Abortion, and Christ’s Authority

I would say if the authorities didn't want us involved in the public square, they ought not to have crucified Jesus in the public square. Use humanistic principles.

Well, I would say the same idea. I would say that.

I would say what's the problem with stardust bumping into stardust? In the cosmic picture, none. There's no problem. In the cosmic picture, it won't matter.

No, Mr. President, you are not protecting reproductive freedom. You are authorizing the destruction of freedom for one million little human beings every year. I'm sorry, my friends, but I am tired of seeing Jesus presented as a weak beggar.

He is a powerful savior, and the gospel is not a suggestion. It is a command.

Reverend Moller, don't you sympathize with that?

I sympathize with every single human heart wishing to know the one true and living God, but I believe there's only one way that that can happen through Jesus Christ, and the gospel is about repenting of sin, not celebrating it.

For the spirit, not experience.

All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before you. Hold on, it's not done. Not done. For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.

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I never heard that until about two days ago.

Is that like? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Right.

Oh, yeah.

Actually, I knew exactly that that was happening, and I'm glad you brought it up.

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Also the Kung Fu Master, and hi. And I like this beat.

That's the bear.

Yes, I like this beat. This is good.

You like it? I like it.

And I wish that someone would contact Al Gore and have him fix this global warming issue we have in Arizona.

What is with Phoenix being colder than Anchorage, Alaska?

I don't know.

That doesn't make any sense to me, and I don't like it. I moved here to get away from all that cold.

These ice caps are melting.

Ice on the windshield.

That's right.

I got a funny story about that, actually. You want to introduce that?

Yeah, this is Zack Attack right here.

I don't matter.

Director of Communications within Abortion. Now we also have on the ones and twos right now, we have Carmen, Mr. Carmen Sassafras.

Yes.

How many nicknames does Carmen get?

They're unending.

Yeah, Carmen, the sassy one. They just keep going on and on. And then we have Isaac Banegas, who is now back, and he is back from New Mexico. He is on board right now with Apologia Church, ministering to the children, working here at Apologia Studios.

So welcome back, Isaac. Very exciting show we have planned for you guys. For those of you guys who are in the comments right now,.

Hello.

Welcome to the live stream. Just know that if you get nasty or trollish in a live stream,.

There it is. Talking about Dr. White.

The fingers are on the ready. And this is what's really amazing, and I want you to understand this. I want to communicate this to you so you understand how this works. YouTube has an amazing feature where they actually give us the ability to put you in a permanent timeout where you'll keep typing, thinking that people are seeing your drivel, and what actually is happening is you're blocked and nobody sees you.

But here's the thing. You won't know that you're blocked.

I love that.

So you'll just keep typing away and trolling and doing what trolls do, sinning in the comments and the feed, and what will happen is you'll be talking to yourself.

That's a brilliant feature.

I love it.

Did you just bomb somebody?

No, I'm just letting you know.

There's someone in there who needs to be bombed.

I'm just letting you know. So welcome to the live stream. Here's the thing. If you're a Christian, behave in a godly way and in a godly manner, and you'll be fine. We'll leave you in there. Even if you disagree with us, that's fine.

We'll leave you in there.

Unless you're a flat earther. That's an automatic ego.

Somebody asked a question. I'll just say it quickly. How are you doing, Jeff? Hey, thank you so much for asking. God has been really gracious, and he's blessed in a tremendous way. And back on my feet again.

My mind is working well.

Praise God.

Had a seizure, a medically confirmed seizure, as in tested.

Yeah.

It was a medically confirmed seizure. Scientific evidence. Hey, there's chemicals in your body and brain that show that you had a seizure. So contrary to the IFB cult, which is exactly what the IFB is, the new IFB, I was not demonically possessed.

You know what's silly? I saw this comment. Somebody said something to the effect of, like, if you can't say Jesus is Lord twice without having a demonic seizure, then what do they say? You have to be able to say Jesus is Lord twice.

And if you're filled with a demon, you can't say that without having a seizure. So ready? Jesus is Lord.

What?

Twice. Jesus is Lord.

Oh.

Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord. It just goes to show you how utterly foolish and just purely stupid.

Superstitious.

Superstitious. Yes, some of these people are.

Definitely not biblical.

Why twice?

Also, what a highly offensive thing to say. What about all the Christian parents that have children who struggle with seizure disorders and they have, like, 15 a day?

Yeah.

Are you actually thinking about the sorts of insane and asinine things that you're saying that all of these children of Christians and even Christian parents that have seizure disorders, that they're all demonically possessed?

But they're not wearing thumb rings.

Yeah, exactly.

Seriously, what are the implications?

It's ridiculous.

What are the implications? You just don't think about it. And all these quote-unquote sermons being preached by these pastors in this new modern-day cult, they're being preached across a pulpit to people who probably struggle with seizure disorders or even taking medication for seizure disorders.

So anyway, welcome back. And I'm back on my feet. And I assure you that won't be a good thing for the IFB, the new IFB. So let's talk.

Hi. Let's. Hello.

Let's.

Welcome, welcome, welcome. Let's see here. We have a lot to do today. We are going to introduce you guys to a very proud murderer. This proud murderer, we are going to spend some time working through her comments.

She actually sits down with some children to brag about and argue for the murder of her own child. So we have all the content. It's about an eight-minute long segment there. We're going to work through it.

We're going to refute the argumentation with the word of God and with sound reason. So that's what's up, guys, for this episode. But before we actually get to that, we do want to spend some time talking about a very, very important thing.

And I'm actually going to let Pastor Luke, I'll let you go ahead and get us into this.

Jeremiah’s Wish and Ending Abortion in Texas

Right on. Well, we have a special guest who's actually been on this whole 10 minutes. And his name is Bradley Pierce, which I'll introduce Bradley here. And you can say hi in a second. Bradley is a constitutional lawyer in Texas.

Yeah.

And I won't give away your whereabouts, so no one will come and hunt you down. But he's awesome. And he's been working on a lot of these bills across the nation, trying to end abortion. We recently had a really great time.

Myself and Zach and Pastor Zach had a really great time with him. And some other guys brainstorming for this next year. And so they are in the process of introducing a bill in Texas to end abortion. And I will let you, Bradley, say hello and talk about the bill.

Hello. Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. It's great to be with y 'all again. And yeah, we do have a bill coming up here. It's expected to be filed very soon. The legislature starts next Tuesday.

So we expect the bill to be filed very quickly thereafter. And just completely outlaws abortion. And that's what we think needs to happen. We need to ignore Roe, the term that we use. And follow the Constitution and do what's right by God.

And outlaw abortion. So we have a bill that's going to be doing that here in Texas. It's the second time it's being filed. And there's a lot of momentum here, and we look forward to building on that.

All right. Bradley, you mentioned real fast. You mentioned a bill that completely abolishes abortion. That is a very, very different perspective and pursuit of much of the pro-life movement. We have a lot of new listeners and friends that are with us on Apologia Studios channel.

Can you please, Bradley, bring us into that discussion before we get into the other thing. Can you just tell us why a bill that abolishes or ends and criminalizes abortion over against the incremental pursuit that the pro-life movement often pursues?

What is the distinction between what you're saying and we're saying and the typical M .O. of the pro-life movement? Why things like ignore Roe? Can you tell us about that?

Yeah, definitely. So since 1973, the Supreme Court's opinion in Roe v. Wade, the states at that time have consented to Roe v. Wade and gone along with it, capitulated to it, and said that, okay, well, the Supreme Court said, so I guess we have to allow baby murder here in our state because the Supreme Court is the last word on what the Constitution means, is what people have generally been led to believe.

So the approach of the pro-life movement to the political level has been, well, since Roe v. Wade is there and we can't completely outlaw abortion because the Supreme Court says that we can't, then I guess we just need to kind of chip away at the edges and maybe pass bills that ask the Supreme Court, hey, can we regulate abortion in this way or can we regulate abortion in this way?

And over the years, there's been dozens of Supreme Court cases on the issue of abortion where the Supreme Court has said, yeah, you can kind of do these little tiny regulations over here, but you can't really do anything that is going to stop abortion.

So along with that, the pro-life movement said, okay, well, then we need to get Roe v. Wade overturned by getting Republican presidents who are pro-life to appoint Republican pro-life justices to the court.

And the bottom line is that hasn't worked for the last 46 years. So what should have happened in 1973 is that the states should have responded to Roe v. Wade by saying no. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional.

It violates the Constitution. This is a power of the states to outlaw murder. It's not a power of the federal government to say that we can't. There's certainly not a right in the Constitution to abortion that's nowhere in there.

And so what states should have done is said no to that. Because we have not said no for the last 46 years, we've legitimized Roe v. Wade. And now every single bill that just tries to regulate abortion actually just further deepens the foundation of Roe v. Wade.

And so we need to stop doing that. We need to stop legitimizing Roe v. Wade. We need to, as we put it, ignore Roe because we say ignore because it's not law. The Constitution is the law of the land. And whatever violates the Constitution is not the law of the land, and that's Roe v. Wade.

So we need to just follow the Constitution and outlaw abortion, and that's thankfully what we have a bill doing here in Texas.

Right on, brother. So it's great because I think we all need to recognize how our system of government works. Thank God for the Christian worldview that helped to develop much of what we have experienced as blessings in this country in terms of the area of law.

But our Constitution is very, very clear. The Supreme Court does not legislate. They cannot create legislation. It is the Congress that's given that power, not the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

So a court opinion we can reject just as easily as the states today are rejecting, say, the federal government in the area of marijuana. Those states are flexing their sovereignty. They're focusing on their perspective, the needs of their citizens, over against what the federal government says.

And that's over marijuana. And there's just, interestingly, a lot of bravery with those who want to toke. Yeah, a lot of bravery. And we need to have the same kind of backbone and bravery when it comes to the protection of these innocent human beings in the womb.

All right. So we're going to play a video here in a second. Carmen, if you want to get that teed up. So this this bill is especially special to all of us. And many of you know, you've seen us talk about Rusty Thomas back a few months ago.

We actually had Jeremiah Thomas on the radio program who was battling cancer. He's now since passed and is with the Lord. But this video or this bill is named after him. So we're going to go ahead and play the video here now to talk about it.

And then I'll let Bradley, you can talk some more about it if you want it for that.

So go ahead, Carmen. After football season, Jeremiah had trouble sleeping and he couldn't get comfortable because he had this pain in his chest. How are we doing? We took him in thinking the doctors would tell us that he just had a minor sports injury.

But that's not what happened. Our healthy, athletic 16 year old son had cancer and was given only a 10 percent chance.

And his legs gave out. We rushed to the hospital. We didn't know if he'd ever walk again, but Jeremiah was a fighter.

When he became paralyzed, he actually said, I could still preach from my wheelchair. Jeremiah was in the hospital. He was in the hospital. Wanted his life to count for others, so he made a wish. Instead of wishing something for himself, he requested to speak with Governor Abbott of Texas to grant his dying wish.

When the governor called, Jeremiah told him about how, before his cancer, he used to go out and minister at the local abortion clinic with our family. Then, Jeremiah made his wish.

I think if we could rally with Texas, and we could end abortion here and now, because that would, at least for me, just make my wish complete before I pass.

Your wish is on the Republican Party platform positions, and that's what we're going to be pursuing this next legislative session, and that is to outlaw abortion altogether in the state of Texas. Yes.

Oh, God.

Jeremiah will never see Governor Abbott abolish abortion in Texas. He died before that wish came true. Now, we are carrying on our son's legacy by asking you to do something simple yet powerful. Join Jeremiah's wish.

Every year, in the state of Texas, 55 ,000 pre-born children are killed in places just like this, where Jeremiah often ministered. We are calling on all Texans who love life to sign the petition urging Governor Abbott to make outlawing abortion an emergency item for Texas, and let him know that you will stand with him in the fight to abolish abortion in this state.

While this is not something Jeremiah saw during his lifetime, this is something we can do in our lifetime.

Join Jeremiah's wish and sign the petition right now.

Thank you for honoring Jeremiah and defending the pre-born children in the state of Texas. Please sign the petition to call upon Governor Abbott to keep his promise to our son and make abolishing abortion an emergency item this legislative session.

All right, everybody. Welcome back. Everyone hear me now?

Yeah.

Yeah, we're trying out some new technology there, guys. All right, so we are back. Bradley, bring us into the discussion of Jeremiah's wish.

Everybody sees there, you know, saw the video there, kind of a little background on the video. You know, Jeremiah had been approached to make a wish, and he decided, there were lots of things that he was thinking about, making a wish about, but as he was thinking about those things, and we mentioned those to friends and family, they would just happen without him actually making any kind of formal wish.

And then as he started to think about what he wanted his legacy to be and how he wanted his life, what he wanted it to be about as he was passing, he decided to make a really big wish that you saw there on the video.

And Governor Abbott very graciously reached out to him and talked to him for about 20 minutes, and their conversation then came to a close there as Jeremiah made the wish that he made there. And the governor's response is pretty amazing.

You know, as you just heard, he said that that's what we're gonna be pursuing this next legislative session, and that is to outlaw abortion altogether in the state of Texas. And so your wish is granted.

And that's amazing.

That is amazing.

So that is where we are. The legislative session, as I mentioned earlier, is now starting on Tuesday. We're five days away from it starting. And so the opportunity for him to follow through and fulfill the promise that he's made is now here.

And now it's up to us to join Jeremiah's wish, right? It's not just the wish of one young man, one brave young man. It needs to be all of our wish. And so that's why we've made this video to get this message out there, to let people know about this.

We want people here in Texas to sign the petition that you saw there, jeremiahwish .com, but not just people here in Texas, but even across the country to go and sign that petition and let Governor Abbott know that we're gonna stand with you.

You know, a lot of people, you know, they say, well, why don't our politicians have courage to do what's right? And, you know, I can definitely give politicians a hard time for not doing what's right and not having a backbone on things.

But you know what? It's up to us to give them courage. They need to have it themselves, but they also need to know that people are standing behind them. And that's what this petition is doing, is letting Governor Abbott know, hey, you need to fulfill the promise that you made and we're gonna be with you.

We're standing with you. And so that's what we're asking people to do, to sign this petition, give the governor courage, give the state of Texas courage, give our leaders courage to do what's right and end abortion here for Jeremiah, but more importantly, even then for him, for the 55 ,000 children that are slated to die here in this state, for the nearly a million in the country, and most importantly, for the sake of the image of God.

That's right. Amen. Very good. All right, Bradley. So how can people get behind you, help with what you're doing? How can we, right now, about 200 people just watching live here, but many, many more are gonna see this and download it.

How can we all partner together with you to help you get this seen by more people? How can we let more people know about this? And how can we all participate together with you?

Well, the first thing everybody can do is go sign a petition yourself. That way, you're in the list, you're getting our emails, we'll let you know what to do next. The next thing is we certainly would love for people who are able to donate.

The money that people give lets us reach more people with this message and get more names added to the list of signatures they were to deliver to Governor Abbott. And here's what we're asking Governor Abbott to do, just to give everybody a little bit more detail.

So the first 60 days is a legislative session here in Texas. The only things that can be voted on, generally, by the legislature are things that the governor has named as and declared to be emergency items for the state.

Well, if there's ever an emergency item, this is it.

Yes.

And we are asking Governor Abbott to name this to be, declare this to be an emergency item, outlawing abortion to be an emergency item for Texas. And so that's what we're asking folks to do. So for people to sign a petition is great, donating is great.

Our window for doing this is really, really short. And that's why it's just so important people do this right now. So typically the governor declares these in his state of the state address, which is done normally at the end of January or at the beginning of February.

Well, that's, I mean, we're there, that's this month. And so we need people to act now and we need to get this message out to tens of thousands right now. And there's already been thousands that have signed this petition and it's only been going for a few days.

And so we just expect that number to grow exponentially. And if folks donate, it just helps us reach even more. The next thing that people can do is to share this. Obviously share it with your friends and family, email it around, share it on social media.

You can go watch the video. You can, it's on Facebook, it's all over Facebook. You can sign the petition at jeremiaswish .com. The video is also at jeremiaswish .org. But also we're asking people, we're asking two things kind of over and above normal sharing and that is number one, show it to your church.

If you can organize something with your church and have it shown to all the folks there at your church, we're asking people specifically, there's Sunday, January 20th is often referred to as sanctity of life Sunday.

And because it's two days before the anniversary of Roe versus Wade. So we're asking folks to show this video on sanctity of life Sunday, January 20th. And then at the end of the video, ask folks in your church, hey, take out your smartphones, go to jeremiaswish .com and sign this petition right now.

And we think that there are gonna be churches all across Texas and all across the country that are gonna be doing that.

Awesome.

That day, we think that's gonna be really powerful. The other thing we're asking folks to do, especially who are younger and of Jeremiah's generation, is to go make your, know you're joining Jeremiah's promise.

But then also if you live outside of Texas, challenge your own governor to make the same kind of promise that governor Abbott here has made. And then challenge some friends to make their own videos. And if folks wanna go outside of abortion mills and make these videos, I think it just makes it that much more powerful for young people to be standing up and saying, hey, I am inspired by Jeremiah and I'm gonna pick up the baton from Jeremiah and I'm joining Jeremiah's wish.

So that's something that we're specifically asking folks to do as well.

Amen.

Right on. Excellent. Excellent, brother. Hey, so the important thing here, I think for all of us to consider is this, is that everybody who names the name of Christ ought to be opposed to the murder of the pre-born.

And I think that those of you guys that know Jesus, have trusted in him, recognize what his word and his law says about this sort of thing. And I think all of us will see something like this or hear about Jeremiah's wish and say, oh, that's great, praise God.

Some people will say, I'm so against abortion, I condemn it, it's murder, I want our nation to end this thing. And what will often happen because I, and by the way, this was me, this was me over a decade ago.

You'll say, I hate this, I'm preaching against it, I'm at the coffee shop with my friends talking about how awful the state of things are and how awful abortion is. But we won't actually take the step, the necessary step to actually suffer for the sake of righteousness, to actually cease to do evil and to correct oppression among us for the fatherless.

Read Isaiah chapters one and two, Isaiah chapters one and two. So what I wanna say is I'm gonna challenge you as a brother in the Lord, I'm gonna challenge you to go beyond the profession of the hatred of abortion and partner together with us to actually once and for all end this scourge on our world.

And the way to do that is actually in moments like this, recognize the power of social media, recognize the power of the public square right in front of you on your screen here, recognize it and then begin to preach, begin to use it.

I'm saying, yes, when you share things like Jeremiah's wish, yes, you will probably endure some persecution for that. That might actually create conversations, gospel-laced conversations on this issue.

And I know that it's a big risk, I know that it's a big step, but let me tell you, when you consider what the word of God tells us to do, what we're supposed to be like in terms of laying our lives down for others, serving others, loving neighbor like we love ourselves.

And when you think about the plight of the pre-born, it only makes perfect sense as the people of God that we would actually give ourselves up for this. And when you hold one of these babies in your arms, let me tell you, it'll change you forever.

It really will. Hold a baby that's been saved, who was seconds away from slaughter at a abortion mill, hold them in your arms and you'll be done. You'll be changed for good, I assure you of that. And with that, you have something else you wanna say?

No, that was all.

Nothing else?

Just what a testimony that that young man left behind. What he did is the opposite of what happens in abortion. Abortion says, you lay down your life for me, but Jeremiah in passing on, saying, this is my legacy, this is what I wanna leave, laying down my desires, my wants for these children.

The world despises motherhood, despises children because it's a portrait of the gospel. And the gospel is about laying your life down for the other. And that's why the world hates those things because they don't comport with selfishness.

And Jesus says, love your neighbor as you love yourself because the easy thing is to love yourself. It's not to love your neighbor. And so God bless Jeremiah and what he's done to lay a blueprint, especially for young people to follow in.

Yeah.

Bradley Pierce, one more time, the website people can go to to get connected.

Jeremiah'swish .com.

Jeremiah'swish .com. Bradley, thank you, man. Thanks, brother. So much for spending your time with us today.

Love you, man.

Thank y 'all, love y 'all too.

All right, God bless you, brother. All right, everybody. So Bradley Pierce, you know what to do, guys. Jeremiah'swish .com. That's where you guys go to get connected. If you're in Texas, what's up, Texans?

Where's that Texas spirit? Where's that strong courage, that fight from the Texans?

Don't mess with Texas.

No, don't mess with Texas. So live up to it, guys, and get involved. Partner, you may be fearful saying, well, I don't know if these guys really care that I'm involved or let me be a part of much. Trust me, they need you, they want you.

Get connected. And so let's get into it, right? So speaking of proud murderers, there was a video dropped before Christmas?

Around that, maybe after. I think it was.

I think it was after Christmas.

Yeah, might've been. Yeah, I saw it and I thought instantly, we have to talk about this. No question about this. So if you've been tracking with the culture, you know that we are in a death spiral. You know that we are living in the culture of death.

And that can be expressed a number of different ways. And I believe with all my heart what the Bible says from cover to cover about the kingdom of Jesus and his victory in the world. And I know that this is momentary.

I know it's a light affliction. I know that Jesus is reigning now and he will have victory. I know from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible says things like Genesis 49, 10, that Shiloh is coming and to him shall be the obedience of the nations.

I know that Psalm chapter two says, from the father to the son, ask of me and I'll give you the nations for your inheritance, the very ends of the earth for your possession. And he warns the kings of the earth to obey the son or they're gonna perish.

I know that the Bible teaches that he shall have dominion in Psalm 72, from sea to sea, from the river to the ends of the earth. I know that the Bible teaches in Psalm 110, one, that he is at the right hand of the father, putting all of his enemies under his feet.

And Paul interprets that in 1 Corinthians 15, to say that Jesus is reigning now, not later. He is reigning now on that throne, placing his enemies under his feet. And the very last enemy to be defeated is gonna be death.

So every enemy under the Messiah's feet and then finally the resurrection. That's how the apostles saw it. And if you wanna see the apostle Paul's perspective in his systematic explanation of the gospel, you can see very clearly that he bookends the book of Romans in chapter one and chapter 16, with a statement that their purpose is to bring about the obedience of faith among the nations for his namesake.

So that's what the Bible teaches in terms of the biblical worldview. And Jesus told us to pray very specifically. He says this, you pray, father, your name be holied everywhere. Hallowed be thy name is not just some interesting, pithy Christian statement to put on a t-shirt.

Hallowed means holied. Let your name be holied, where? Everywhere, right? Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. So with that, if you like us are praying the Lord's prayer on a regular basis or a semi-regular basis, I wanna ask us all as believers with me looking at myself as well, do I believe what I'm praying for?

Or is it just hypocrisy? Am I just praying it because it's words on the page or am I praying it because that's what my Lord said? That's how he taught me to pray. That's what he wants me to think. This is what I should believe.