Refuting A Proud Murderer

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I would say if the authorities didn't want us involved in the public square, they ought not to have crucified

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Jesus in the public square. Use humanistic principles. It's the same idea. I would say that. Same answer.

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I would say what's the problem with stardust bumping into stardust? In the cosmic picture? None. There's no problem.

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In the cosmic picture, it won't matter. No Mr.

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President, you are not protecting reproductive freedom. You are authorizing the destruction of freedom for one million little human beings every year.

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I'm sorry my friends, but I am tired of seeing Jesus presented as a weak beggar.

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He is a powerful savior and the gospel is not a suggestion, it is a command.

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I sympathize with every single human heart wishing to know the one true and living

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God, but I believe there's only one way that that can happen through Jesus Christ and the gospel is about repenting of sin, not celebrating it.

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Threshold of an amazing adventure. We will explore the spiritual abyss.

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You have not experienced this before. Repent.

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All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord and all the families of the nation shall worship before you.

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Hold on. It's not done. Not done. For kingship belongs to the Lord and he rules over the nations.

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You're doing it with us, so thank you very, very much for that. I am Pastor Jeff. They call me the Ninja because I am, and that is

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Pastor Luke. Also the Kung Fu Master, and hi. And I like this beat. That's the bear. Yes, I like this beat.

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This is good. You like it? I like it. And I wish that someone would contact Al Gore and have him fix this global warming issue we have in Arizona.

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What is with Phoenix being colder than Anchorage, Alaska? I don't know. That doesn't make any sense to me, and I don't like it.

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I moved here to get away from all that cold. These ice caps are melting. Ice on the windshield. That's right. I got a funny story about that, actually.

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You want to introduce that? Yeah, this is Zack Attack right here. I don't matter. Director of Communications with End Abortion. Now we also have on the ones and twos right now, we have

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Carmen, Mr. Carmen Sassafras. How many nicknames does

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Carmen have? They're unending. Yeah, Carmen the sassy one. They just keep going on and on. The one of sass.

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We have Isaac Banegas, who is now back, and he is back from New Mexico. He is on board right now with Apologia Church, ministering to the children, working here at Apologia Studios.

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So welcome back, Isaac. Very exciting show we have planned for you guys. For those of you guys who are in the comments right now, hello.

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Welcome to the live stream. Just know that if you get nasty or trollish in a live stream, the fingers are on the ready.

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And this is what's really amazing, and I want you to understand this. I want to communicate this to you so you understand how this works. YouTube has an amazing feature where they actually give us the ability to put you in a permanent timeout where you'll keep typing, thinking that people are seeing your drivel, and what actually is happening is you're blocked and nobody sees you.

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But here's the thing. You won't know that you're blocked. I love that. So you'll just keep typing away and trolling and doing what trolls do, sinning in the comments and the feed, and what will happen is you'll be talking to yourself.

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That's a brilliant feature. I love it. Did you just bomb somebody? No, I'm just letting you know. There's someone in there who needs to be bombed. I'm just letting you know.

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So welcome to the live stream. Here's the thing. If you're a Christian, behave in a godly way and in a godly manner, and you'll be fine.

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We'll leave you in there. Even if you disagree with us, that's fine. We'll leave you in there. Unless you're a flat earther. Yeah. That's an automatic

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YouTube. Somebody asked a question. I'll just say it quickly. How are you doing, Jeff? Hey, thank you so much for asking. God has been really gracious, and he's blessed in a tremendous way.

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And I'm back on my feet again. My mind is working well. Praise God. Had a seizure, a medically confirmed seizure, as in tested.

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Yeah, scientific evidence. Hey, there's chemicals in your body and brain that show that you had a seizure.

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So contrary to the IFB cult, which is exactly what the

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IFB is, the new IFB, I was not demonically possessed. You know what's silly?

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I saw this comment. Somebody said something to the effect of, like, if you can't say Jesus is

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Lord twice without having a demonic seizure, then what do they say?

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You have to be able to say Jesus is Lord twice. And if you're filled with a demon, you can't say that without having a seizure.

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So ready? Jesus is Lord. What? Twice. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is

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Lord. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord. It just goes to show you how utterly foolish and just purely stupid.

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Superstitious. Superstitious. Yeah, some of these people are. Definitely not biblical. Why twice? Also, what a highly offensive thing to say.

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What about all the Christian parents that have children who struggle with seizure disorders, and they have, like, 15 a day?

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Yeah. Are you actually thinking about the sorts of insane and asinine things that you're saying that all of these children of Christians and even

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Christian parents that have seizure disorders, that they're all demonically possessed? But they're not wearing thumb rings. Yeah, exactly.

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Seriously, what are the implications? What are the implications? You just don't think about it. And all these quote -unquote sermons being preached by these pastors in this new modern -day cult, they're being preached across a pulpit to people who probably struggle with seizure disorders or even taking medication for seizure disorders.

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So, anyway, welcome back. And I'm back on my feet. And I assure you that won't be a good thing for the

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IFB, the new IFB. So, let's talk. Hi. Hello.

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Let's. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Let's see here. We have a lot to do today. We are going to introduce you guys to a very proud murderer.

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This proud murderer, we are going to spend some time working through her comments. She actually sits down with some children to brag about and argue for the murder of her own child.

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So, we have all the content. It's about an eight -minute long segment there. We're going to work through it. We're going to refute the argumentation with the

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Word of God and with sound reason. Amen. So, that's what's up, guys, for this episode. But before we actually get to that, we do want to spend some time talking about a very, very important thing.

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And I'm actually going to let Pastor Luke, I'll let you go ahead and get us into this. Right on. Well, we have a special guest who's actually been on this whole 10 minutes.

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And his name is Bradley Pierce, which I'll introduce Bradley here, and you can say hi in a second. Bradley is a constitutional lawyer in Texas.

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Yeah. And I won't give away your whereabouts, so no one will come and hunt you down. But he's awesome, and he's been working on a lot of these bills across the nation, trying to end abortion.

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We recently had a really great time, myself and Zach and Pastor Zach had a really great time with him and some other guys brainstorming for this next year.

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And so, they are in the process of introducing the bill in Texas to end abortion.

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And I will let you, Bradley, say hello and talk about the bill. Hello. Well, first of all, thanks for having me on.

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It's great to be with you all again. And, yeah, we do have a bill coming up here. It's expected to be filed very soon.

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The legislature starts next Tuesday, so we expect the bill to be filed very quickly thereafter.

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And just completely outlaws abortion. And that's what we think needs to happen.

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We need to ignore Roe, is the term that we use, and follow the Constitution and do what's right by God and outlaw abortion.

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So we have a bill that's going to be doing that here in Texas. It's the second time it's being filed. And there's a lot of momentum here, and we look forward to building on that.

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All right. Bradley, you mentioned real fast, you mentioned a bill that completely abolishes abortion.

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That is a very, very different perspective and pursuit of much of the pro -life movement.

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We have a lot of new listeners and friends that are with us on Apologia Studios channel.

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Can you please, Bradley, bring us into that discussion before we get into the other thing. Can you just tell us why a bill that abolishes or ends and criminalizes abortion over against the incremental pursuit that the pro -life movement often pursues.

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What is the distinction between what you're saying and we're saying and the typical M .O. of the pro -life movement?

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Why things like ignore Roe? Can you tell us about that? Yeah, definitely.

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So since 1973, the Supreme Court's opinion in Roe v. Wade, the states at that time have consented to Roe v.

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Wade and gone along with it, capitulated to it, and said that, okay, well, the

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Supreme Court said, so I guess we have to allow baby murder here in our state because the Supreme Court is the last word on what the

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Constitution means, is what people have generally been led to believe.

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So the approach of the pro -life movement to the political level has been, well, since Roe v.

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Wade is there and we can't completely outlaw abortion because the Supreme Court says that we can't, then I guess we just need to kind of chip away at the edges and maybe pass bills that ask the

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Supreme Court, hey, can we regulate abortion in this way or can we regulate abortion in this way?

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And over the years, there's been dozens of Supreme Court cases on the issue of abortion where the Supreme Court has said, yeah, you can kind of do these little tiny regulations over here, but you can't really do anything that is going to stop abortion.

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So along with that, the pro -life movement has said, okay, well, then we need to get Roe v. Wade overturned by getting

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Republican presidents who are pro -life to appoint Republican pro -life justices to the court. And the bottom line is that hasn't worked for the last 46 years.

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So what should have happened in 1973 is that the states should have responded to Roe v.

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Wade by saying no. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional. It violates the

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Constitution. This is a power of the states to outlaw murder.

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It's not a power of the federal government to say that we can't. There's certainly not a right in the Constitution to abortion that's nowhere in there.

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And so what states should have done is said no to that. Because we have not said no for the last 46 years, we've legitimized

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Roe v. Wade. And now every single bill that just tries to regulate abortion actually just further deepens the foundation of Roe v.

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Wade. And so we need to stop doing that. We need to stop legitimizing Roe v. Wade. We need to, as we put it, ignore

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Roe because we say ignore because it's not law. The Constitution is the law of the land.

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And whatever violates the Constitution is not the law of the land, and that's Roe v. Wade. So we need to just follow the

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Constitution and outlaw abortion, and that's thankfully what we have a bill doing here in Texas. Right on, brother.

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So it's great because I think we all need to recognize how our system of government works. Thank God for the Christian worldview that helped to develop much of what we have experienced as blessings in this country in terms of the area of law.

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But our Constitution is very, very clear. The Supreme Court does not legislate. They cannot create legislation. It is the

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Congress that's given that power, not the Supreme Court of the United States of America. So a court opinion we can reject just as easily as the states today are rejecting, say, the federal government in the area of marijuana.

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Those states are flexing their sovereignty. They're focusing on their perspective, the needs of their citizens over against what the federal government says, and that's over marijuana.

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And there's just, interestingly, a lot of bravery with those who want to toke, a lot of bravery.

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And we need to have the same kind of backbone and bravery when it comes to the protection of these innocent human beings in the womb.

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All right, so Pastor Luke. So we're going to play a video here in a second, Carmen, if you want to get that teed up.

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So this bill is especially special to all of us, and many of you know, you've seen us talk about Rusty Thomas.

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Back a few months ago, we actually had Jeremiah Thomas on the radio program who was battling cancer.

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He's now since passed and is with the Lord. But this video or this bill is named after him.

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So we're going to go ahead and play the video here now to talk about it. And then I'll let Bradley, you can talk some more about it if you want it for that.

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So go ahead, Carmen. After football season,

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Jeremiah had trouble sleeping and he couldn't get comfortable because he had this pain in his chest.

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Carmen, how are we doing? We took him in thinking the doctors would tell us that he just had a minor sports injury.

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But that's not what happened. Our healthy, athletic 16 -year -old son had cancer and was given only a 10 percent chance of surviving.

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And his legs gave out.

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We rushed to the hospital. We didn't know if he'd ever walk again. But Jeremiah was a fighter.

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When he became paralyzed, he actually said, I could still preach from my wheelchair.

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Jeremiah, one of his doctors, said, I'm going to pray for you. So he made a wish. Instead of wishing something for himself, he requested to speak with Governor Abbott of Texas to grant his dying wish.

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When the governor called, Jeremiah told him about how before his cancer, he used to go out and minister at the local abortion clinic with our family.

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Then Jeremiah made his wish. I think we could rally with Texas and we could end abortion here and now.

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Because I would, at least for me, just make my wish complete before I pass.

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Your wish is on the Republican Party platform positions. And that is to outlaw abortion altogether in the state of Texas.

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Yes. And so your wish is granted. Jeremiah will never see

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Governor Abbott abolish abortion in Texas. He died before that wish came true.

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Now we are carrying on our son's legacy by asking you to do something simple yet powerful.

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Join Jeremiah's wish. Every year in the state of Texas, 55 ,000 pre -born children are killed in places just like this where Jeremiah often ministered.

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We are calling on all Texans who love life to sign the petition urging Governor Abbott to make outlawing abortion an emergency item for Texas.

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And let him know that you will stand with him in the fight to abolish abortion in this state.

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While this is not something Jeremiah saw during his lifetime, this is something we can do in our lifetime.

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Join Jeremiah's wish and sign the petition right now. Thank you for honoring

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Jeremiah and defending the pre -born children in the state of Texas. Please sign the petition to call upon Governor Abbott to keep his promise to our son and make abolishing abortion an emergency item this legislative session.

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All right, everybody. Welcome back. Everyone hear me now? Yeah. Yeah, we're trying out some new technology there, guys.

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All right, so we are back. Bradley, bring us into the discussion of Jeremiah's wish.

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Yeah, so everybody saw the video there. We kind of have a little background on the video.

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Jeremiah had been approached to make a wish, and he decided there were lots of things that he was thinking about making a wish about, but as he was thinking about those things, and we mentioned those to friends and family, they would just happen without him actually making any kind of formal wish.

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And then as he started to think about what he wanted his legacy to be and how he wanted his life, what he wanted it to be about as he was passing, he decided to make a really big wish that you saw there on the video.

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And Governor Abbott very graciously reached out to him and talked to him for about 20 minutes, and their conversation then came to a close there as Jeremiah made the wish that he made there.

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And the governor's response is pretty amazing. As you just heard, he said that that's what we're going to be pursuing this next legislative session, and that is to outlaw abortion altogether in the state of Texas.

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And so your wish is granted, and that's amazing. That is amazing.

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So that is what we are. The legislative session, as I mentioned earlier, is now starting on Tuesday.

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We're five days away from it starting. And so the opportunity for him to follow through and fulfill the promise that he's made is now here.

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And now it's up to us to join Jeremiah's wish, right? It's not just the wish of one young man, one brave young man.

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It needs to be all of our wish. That's why we've made this video, to get this message out there, to let people know about this.

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We want people here in Texas to sign the petition that you saw there, jeremiahatwish .com, but not just people here in Texas, but even across the country to go and sign that petition and let

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Governor Abbott know that we're going to stand with you. A lot of people, they say, well, why don't our politicians have courage to do what's right?

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I can definitely give politicians a hard time for not doing what's right, not having a backbone on things.

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But you know what? It's up to us to give them courage. They need to have it themselves, but they also need to know that people are standing behind them.

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And that's what this petition is doing, is letting Governor Abbott know, hey, you need to fulfill the promise that you made, and we're going to be with you.

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We're standing with you. And so that's what we're asking people to do, to sign this petition, give the

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Governor courage, give the state of Texas courage, give our leaders courage to do what's right and end abortion here for Jeremiah, but more importantly, even then, for him, for the 55 ,000 children that are slated to die here in this state, for the nearly a million in the country, and most importantly, for the sake of the image of God.

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That's right. Amen. Very good. All right, Bradley, so how can people get behind you, help with what you're doing?

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How can we, right now, you know, about 200 people just watching live here, but many, many more are going to see this and download it.

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How can we all partner together with you to help you get this seen by more people?

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How can we let more people know about this, and how can we all participate together with you? Well, the first thing everybody can do is go sign a petition yourself.

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That way, you know, you're in the list. Our e -mails will let you know what to do next.

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The next thing is we certainly would love for people who are able to donate. You know, every, you know, the money that people give lets us reach more people with this message and get more names added to the list of signatures that we're going to deliver to Governor Abbott.

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And here's what we're asking Governor Abbott to do, just to give everybody a little bit more detail. For the first 60 days of the legislative session here in Texas, the only things that can be voted on, generally, by the legislature are things that the governor has named as and declared to be emergency items for the state.

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Well, if there's ever an emergency item, this is it. We are asking Governor Abbott to name this, to be, declare this to be an emergency item, outlawing abortion to be an emergency item for Texas.

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And so that's what we're asking folks to do. So for people to sign a petition is great, donating is great.

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Our window for doing this is really, really short. And that's why it's just so important people do this right now.

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So typically, the governor declares these in his state of the state address, which is done normally at the end of January or at the beginning of February.

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Well, that's, I mean, we're there. That's this month. And so we need people to act now, and we need to get this message out to tens of thousands right now.

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And there's already been thousands that have signed this petition, and it's only been going for a few days.

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And so we just expect that number to grow exponentially. And if folks donate, it just helps us reach even more.

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The next thing that people can do is to share this. Obviously, share it with your friends and family, email it around, share it on social media.

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You can go watch the video. It's on Facebook. It's all over Facebook.

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You can sign the petition at jeremiaswish .com. The video is also at jeremiaswish .org. But also we're asking people, we're asking two things kind of over and above normal sharing, and that is, number one, show it to your church.

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If you can organize something with your church and have it shown to all the folks there at your church, we're asking people specifically, there's

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Sunday, January 20th, it's often referred to as Sanctity of Life Sunday, because it's two days before the anniversary of Roe v.

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Wade. So we're asking folks to show this video on Sanctity of Life Sunday, January 20th.

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And then at the end of the video, ask folks in your church, hey, take out your smartphone, go to jeremiaswish .com,

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and sign this petition right now. And we think that there are going to be churches all across Texas and all across the country that are going to be doing that that day.

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And so we think that's going to be really powerful. The other thing we're asking folks to do, especially who are younger and of Jeremiah's generation, is to go make your own videos.

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I know you're joining Jeremiah's Promise, but then also if you live outside of Texas, challenge your own governor to make the same kind of promise that Governor Abbott here has made, and then challenge some friends to make their own videos.

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And if folks want to go outside of abortion mills and make these videos, I think it just makes it that much more powerful for young people to be standing up and saying, hey,

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I am inspired by Jeremiah, and I am going to pick up the baton from Jeremiah, and I'm joining

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Jeremiah's Wish. So that's something that we're specifically asking folks to do as well. Right on.

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Excellent. Excellent, brother. So the important thing here,

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I think, for all of us to consider is this, is that everybody who names the name of Christ ought to be opposed to the murder of the preborn.

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And I think that those of you guys that know Jesus, have trusted in Him, recognize what His word and His law says about this sort of thing.

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And I think all of us will see something like this or hear about Jeremiah's Wish and say, oh, that's great. Praise God. Some people will say,

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I'm so against abortion. I condemn it. It's murder. I want our nation to end this thing. And what will often happen, because I, and by the way, this was me.

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This was me over a decade ago. You'll say, I hate this. I'm preaching against it. I'm at the coffee shop with my friends talking about how awful the state of things are and how awful abortion is.

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But we won't actually take the step, the necessary step, to actually suffer for the sake of righteousness, to actually cease to do evil and to correct oppression among us for the fatherless.

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Read Isaiah chapters 1 and 2. Isaiah chapters 1 and 2. So what I want to say is I'm going to challenge you as a brother in the

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Lord. I'm going to challenge you to go beyond the profession of the hatred of abortion and partner together with us to actually once and for all end this scourge on our world.

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And the way to do that is actually in moments like this, recognize the power of social media. Recognize the power of the public square right in front of you on your screen here.

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Recognize it and then begin to preach. Begin to use it. I'm saying, yes, when you share things like Jeremiah's wish, yes, you will probably endure some persecution for that.

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That might actually create conversations, gospel -laced conversations on this issue.

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And I know that it's a big risk. I know that it's a big step. But let me tell you, when you consider what the

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Word of God tells us to do, what we're supposed to be like in terms of laying our lives down for others, serving others, loving neighbor like we love ourselves.

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And when you think about the plight of the pre -born, it only makes perfect sense as the people of God that we would actually give ourselves up for this.

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And when you hold one of these babies in your arms, let me tell you, it'll change you forever. It really will. Hold a baby that's been saved who was seconds away from slaughter at an abortion mill.

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Hold them in your arms and you'll be done. You'll be changed for good. I assure you of that. And with that, do you have something else you want to say?

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No, that was all. Nothing else? Just what a testimony that that young man left behind.

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What he did is the opposite of what happens in abortion. Abortion says you lay down your life for me.

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But Jeremiah in passing on, saying this is my legacy, this is what

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I want to leave, laying down my desires, my wants for these children. The world despises motherhood, despises children because it's a portrait of the gospel.

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And the gospel is about laying your life down for the other. And that's why the world hates those things, because they don't comport with selfishness.

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And, you know, Jesus says, love your neighbor as you love yourself, because the easy thing is to love yourself, not to love your neighbor.

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And so God bless Jeremiah and what he's done to lay a blueprint, especially for young people to follow in.

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Yeah. Bradley Pierce, one more time, the website people can go to to get connected. Jeremiah'sWish .com

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Jeremiah'sWish .com. Bradley, thank you, man. Thanks, brother. So much for spending your time with us today. Love you, man. Thank y 'all. Love y 'all, too.

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All right. God bless you, brother. All right, everybody. So Bradley Pierce, you know what to do, guys. Jeremiah'sWish .com.

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That's where you guys go to get connected. If you're in Texas, what's up, Texans? Where's that Texas spirit?

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Where's that strong courage, that fight from the Texans? Don't mess with Texas. Don't mess with Texas. So live up to it, guys, and get involved.

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Partner, you may be fearful saying, well, I don't know if these guys, you know, really care that I'm involved or let me be a part of much.

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Trust me, they need you. They want you. Get connected. And so let's let's get into it.

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Right. So speaking of speaking of proud murderers, there was a video dropped before Christmas around that, maybe after.

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I think it was. I think it was after Christmas. Yeah, might have been. Yeah, I saw it. And I thought instantly we have to talk about this.

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No question about this. So if you've been tracking with the culture, you know that we are in a death spiral.

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You know that we are living in the culture of death. Yeah. And that has can be expressed a number of different ways.

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And I believe with all my heart what the Bible says from cover to cover about the kingdom of Jesus and his victory in the world.

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And I know that this is momentary. I know it's a light affliction. I know that that Jesus is reigning now and he will have victory.

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I know from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible says things like Genesis 49, 10, that Shiloh is coming into him shall be the obedience of the nations.

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I know that Psalm chapter two says from the father to the son, ask of me and I'll give you the nations for your inheritance, the very ends of the earth for your possession.

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And he warns the kings of the earth to obey the son or they're going to perish. I know that the Bible teaches that he shall have dominion in Psalm 72, from sea to sea, from the river to the ends of the earth.

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I know that the Bible teaches in Psalm 110 .1 that he is at the right hand of the father, putting all of his enemies under his feet.

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And Paul interprets that in 1 Corinthians 15 to say that Jesus is reigning now, not later.

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He is reigning now on that throne, placing his enemies under his feet, and the very last enemy to be defeated is going to be death.

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So every enemy under the Messiah's feet and then finally the resurrection. That's how the

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Apostle saw it. And if you want to see the Apostle Paul's perspective in his systematic explanation of the gospel, you can see very clearly that he bookends the book of Romans in chapter 1 and chapter 16 with the statement that their purpose is to bring about the obedience of faith among the nations for his namesake.

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So that's what the Bible teaches in terms of the biblical worldview, and Jesus told us to pray very specifically. He says this, you pray,

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Father, your name be holied everywhere. Hallowed be thy name is not just some interesting pithy

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Christian statement to put on a t -shirt. Hallowed means holied. Let your name be holied where?

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Everywhere, right? Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

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So with that, if you like us are praying the Lord's Prayer on a regular basis or a semi -regular basis,

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I want to ask us all as believers, with me looking at myself as well, do I believe what

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I'm praying for or is it just hypocrisy? Am I just praying it because it's words on the page or am

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I praying it because that's what my Lord said? That's how he taught me to pray. That's what he wants me to think. This is what

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I should believe. This is how I should act in the world. Because if we believe what we're praying for in the Lord's Prayer, that his will would be done on earth like it's done in heaven, then

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I think we'll live in a much different way. So with that, how are you and I being consistent with the revelation of Jesus Christ, how he tells us to pray, and finally with the knowledge that he has the authority to do it?

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Matthew 28, 18 through 20, Jesus says, If you were concerned because you were like, well,

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I know in heaven, but it doesn't look so much like here. Well, let's go with the words of the Lord.

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He says, So it's there.

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He's got the authority to do what he says he's going to do, y 'all. So what's next? Disciple the nations.

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Teach them to obey him. Okay, so let's disciple the United States of America and let's teach people to obey

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Jesus. Let's disciple Texas and let's teach people to obey Jesus. Let's disciple

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Oklahoma with the upcoming bill to abolish and criminalize abortion with Joseph Silk.

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And let's actually work together with him to disciple Oklahoma and to teach them to obey.

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Let's do it in Arizona. Let's do it in every state. It's going to come with consequences. It's going to come with conflict. Preach the gospel and use words.

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Amen to that. Because they're necessary. Because they are necessary. In every realm, family, church, and government.

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That's right. Every realm. Starting with self. Starting with self. Family, church, government.

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All right, y 'all. So I know that I could have just jumped right into the thing with the refuting a proud murderer, but I don't want us to simply go, oh, isn't that terrible?

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Isn't that such foolishness? Isn't that just terribly wicked and evil? And then walk away from it.

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I want to do the refutation of a proud murderer, this woman, because I want, of course, us to join together as the people of God to fight against this evil, this great evil in our day, to know how to respond to it.

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But I also want us to actually start responding in the public square. So get on your feet, y 'all.

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Yeah. Amen. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. Sorry. No more talking about it. I just like that beat.

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I'll just let it play out. But that beat, though. Nice job on the beat.

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All right. Here we go. All right. Here we go.

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So this video is called Kids Meet Someone Who's Had an Abortion.

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Can we set this up first? Yeah. Just so you know who it is. The channel on YouTube is called

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HiHo Kids. Way appropriate name for this video. Yeah.

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Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead. I was going to make a stupid joke. Oh, okay.

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I'm going to refrain. Funny before serious? No, go ahead. Okay. This speaker, the woman that's being interviewed, is the founder of Shout Your Abortion.

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Yep. Her name is Amelia. And so her background was just that she put her abortion story out there, and all of these women started to find solace in the murder of their children by doing the same.

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Amelia Nohart? Not quite. You'll catch it later.

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Okay. Is it like a grenade? You'll catch it later. Wait. What's her last name again? I think it's

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Bonow. B -O -N -O -W. Okay. All right. Yeah. So she started Shout Your Abortion, and then all of these women started sending in their testimonies, too, about their abortions.

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So that's who she is. I was just going to say I wish that we could have her sit down and have this conversation with the kids from our church.

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Oh, amen, right? Because they would have slayed her. Oh, man. It would have gone very differently for her. Yeah. You very conveniently picked kids that would have answered the way you wanted them to answer.

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Mm -hmm. And someone in general that just couldn't refute your argumentation. Yes. Go after the kids.

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That's right. So we're going to go into a very serious discussion now. All right. Let's break into it. Now we're going to try to respond to some of the things she says.

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I encourage you all to share this episode as much as possible so we can get the word out about these bootleg arguments and this awful, awful corrupt worldview, and let's put an end to it.

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So just tell me when to stop, boys. Okay. Do you think that sometimes it's not okay to have an abortion?

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I want to say if you're being reckless, if there's nothing wrong going on. I don't know.

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I just don't agree. Even that kid was surprised.

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Yeah, his face. That's interesting. So you feel that it's appropriate behavior for a mother to be reckless in her behavior, have a child created within her.

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Remember, of course, the truth about conception is that when the sperm and the egg meet, a unique life is created at that moment.

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And we all have to recognize that it's not just the Word of God that tells us, you know,

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I knit you together in your mother's womb, you're fearfully and wonderfully made, all that stuff. It's not just the Word of God that has

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John the Baptist leaping in the womb of his mother when she's pregnant and Mary comes in with Jesus in her womb.

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It's, you know, the incarnation refutes abortion, period. God becoming a man, forming in the womb.

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That which is conceived in you is from the Holy Spirit, by the agency of the Holy Spirit of God.

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It's biological science that also disregards the bootleg arguments of the pro -aborts for so long.

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Biological science testifies that when that sperm meets the egg, you have the DNA and biological makeup of you.

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The only distinction and difference between where you are at conception to where you are now is just a difference of degree.

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And we all flow in and out of those differences of degree our entire lives. And so what needs to be understood is that at the moment of conception, biological fact of science, empirical science, cannot, will not ever be refuted.

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At the moment of conception, the DNA and the biological blueprint of you is all there at that moment.

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So you say, oh, but it's very small and not fully developed. Well, so are six -month -olds, and one -year -olds, and two -year -olds, and ten -year -olds, trust me.

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Not fully developed. And so to say, well, I can murder it because, you know, it's not fully developed or something to that effect, it just displays the darkness of the heart present.

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I think I can be reckless and have an abortion, and everybody should be fine with that, is what she's saying.

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So what do you know, or what have you heard about abortion? I don't exactly know what happens, but you go and basically get rid of the baby from inside you.

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Good answer. Good answer. I love that she said that. Yeah, good answer.

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First thing that struck me was that here is this young child, and she's being asked by this proud woman over the murder of her own child.

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She's being asked, well, what happens in abortion? Well, that's where you go in and a woman gets rid of her baby. Yeah. Her what? Her baby.

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And I do find it interesting that she skips immediately right over to the next girl. But she does agree.

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Yeah, listen to this. Same thing. What have you heard?

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That. That a woman's going in to get rid of her baby. Right. Because what's in the womb of a pregnant woman is a baby.

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And every image -bearer of God knows that. Every child knows that what's in the womb is a baby.

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And what a woman is doing when she has an abortion, she's going not to just rid herself of a mass.

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A pregnancy. Yeah, a pregnancy. She's going to get rid of her baby.

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And I find it fascinating that those two children both just said it like it was.

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Well, I even like the fact, not that they just call it a baby, but the actual act, the wording they use, you're getting rid of.

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Yeah, disposing of it. They're going to use some flowery language, but they're like, no, you're just getting rid of something that you don't want.

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And so I even like that language they use. Yes. Have you ever talked to somebody about abortion before? I actually wrote a paper in fifth grade about it.

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Wow. What was your paper about? Abortion is okay. And it also depends on what's happening and why they got the abortion.

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So you think it's okay depending on the circumstances? Yes. She doesn't like that at all.

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So murder is okay depending on the circumstances. Yeah, but she doesn't like it because he's giving room for that this is still a moral problem.

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I find it interesting that even this young man who has clearly, unfortunately, been indoctrinated by the culture that we live in,

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I'd put a bet on the fact that he's public school and maybe raised and educated.

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He still sees some cutoff. Yes. He still recognizes that this is still a moral issue, even for his perspective that you can have an abortion.

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But he says, you know, certain circumstances she says, oh, so you think that there's some circumstances where it's not essentially?

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And she didn't like that very much. Because murder is okay if you're a Jew and you're starving and you're worthless.

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It's okay. Yeah. The shout your abortion wants to be very proud about abortion. Shout your abortion, no matter the circumstance, no matter the situation.

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It doesn't make a difference. Shout your abortion. Be proud. Do you have an abortion? A few years ago, I got pregnant and I really didn't want to have a baby.

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A what? What did she say? This is what is so compelling, right? Is there's no way to really talk about this without talking intelligibly.

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Yeah. Like if you want to distill what the issue is, it's a baby.

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And they know that, but that's what we've been saying. But they know that. But she goes on in the discussion and when the terminology changes to, they ask her, well, what happens in an abortion?

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She says, they go in and they suck the pregnancy out. Her terminology shifts. Right. When the action of what actually takes place in there is talked about, it changes from a baby to a pregnancy.

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You have to. In order to justify it as an image bearer of God, in order to convince or delude other image bearers of God to adopt this sort of mindset or worldview or practice, you have to change the language.

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Call it reproductive freedom. Call it. Women's health. Spelling a pregnancy. Massive tissue.

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Massive tissue. Or fetus. Let's start speaking Latin. Product of conception. Yeah. We'll speak

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Latin. For those of you guys who are new, fetus is a Latin word and it means a small child or offspring of a creature.

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And referring to human beings, it's a baby. So they'll change the word to fetus. Let's speak Latin so that we're not saying the word baby.

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Now, I just, I think it's a powerful testimony here that, please pay attention to this, this is so important, that when the pro -choicers argue for the slaughter of the preborn, when they get before judges and when they get before lawmakers and the legislature, they don't use words like,

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I didn't want a baby. I didn't want a baby. They say things like, well, you know, there's incest and there's rape and there's life of the mother.

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Now, mind you, these account for less than 2 % of all the abortions.

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So now let's do it. Now take the numbers that we know of and say, well, 60 million image bearers of God have been slaughtered since Roe versus Wade in the

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United States of America. That's 60 million children slaughtered by their mothers and their fathers.

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And we have 2 % of those have been because of the reason of incest, life of the mother and rape.

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So less than 2 % of the 60 million babies. Now that's how they argue when they put this before lawmakers, is they try to make it very emotional and say, well, this is really about the life of the mother.

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And it's really about, you know, what about incest situations? And what about the issues of rape? And, but when you have a woman here who is proud of her abortion, this proud murderer who is bragging about it and trying to get people to go along with her and starting in a whole hashtag movement, when she talks about it, she says,

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I got pregnant and I didn't want a baby. Yeah. There you go. Which is what we all understand.

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Right. That's why you're killing your own child, because the truth is, is you don't want a baby.

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Now, I wanted to say this is very, very important. I'm a pastor and I want to see this woman come to Christ too. But I also want to confront the sin as sin and speak the words of God and the truth.

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And I want to say to every single woman who is listening to this right now, who has this in her past, if you have turned to Christ and trusted in Him, have your faith in Him, your sins have been washed away.

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God does not count your sins against you again. There is therefore now no condemnation in you because Jesus received your condemnation.

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He took my sin and death and all my evil and wickedness upon Himself on that tree and He was condemned in my place.

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And I have through faith and through faith alone His righteousness credited, imputed to me.

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I stand before the Father and you stand before the Father with Christ's perfect righteousness.

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It's a righteousness that comes from above, from God through faith. In Jesus. And if you are in Jesus, you are not condemned.

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You are in Christ and you are made new. You are a new creation. And so now let's move forward together and let's end this now presently and in the future.

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And let's not look back at your sins and your condemnation because that was given to Jesus. Now let's work together by...

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Listen, please hear me on this ladies and men who have been involved in this. Please hear me. Let's get in front of this issue and confront it and end it.

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But let's do it by telling the truth. Because you have this in your past doesn't mean you should minimize the damage done.

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So for example, a lot of women who have had this in their past have been lied to by the pro -life movement and they've been told by the pro -life movement,

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No miss, you're as much of a victim as your child. You're just as much a victim. You're just a victim.

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Now the truth is, is if you come before Jesus making excuses for your sin like you were a victim, that's a problem.

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That's not a heart of repentance. You are not a victim. I am not a victim of my sin. When I was off in my drug and alcohol addiction two decades ago, when

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I was in my drug and alcohol addiction, I was not a victim. I was a willing participant and sinner. I was not a victim.

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I'm guilty of that sin. All of our sin. We are guilty and we need to confess that to God and be broken, sackcloth and ashes because Jesus saves sinners.

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And I want to say finally, he's a much better savior than you are a sinner. So... Preach it pastor. So here we go.

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Next, let's go more. May I ask what happened? Did he not wear a condom? Did the condom break?

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Was it pre -ejaculation? Such good questions, Vanessa. More products of your public school there.

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Why wasn't he wearing a condom? Have you ever had two options and one of them like seems easier at the time?

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Oh yeah. Like you could take a shortcut or you could go the long way around. It was the shortcut version. What did your partner think at the time?

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You know. So let's lay this down at the beginning because it's going to come up later, I believe. This was not from her perspective even really an accident.

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It was a willing choice and decision that she made and she got pregnant with a baby.

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She created a life within her with her partner. There was a life created within them through no fault of its own, this life.

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And she decided not to wear a condom. Now the whole discussion, please, please, please.

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The whole discussion about condoms and contraceptives is not what we're talking about right now. I'm talking about her experience and what she did and her worldview.

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She said, we didn't use a condom. And because of that, this was not ultimately something that like someone did to her, right?

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Unwillingly, she entered into this knowing the natural process of the human body. Like, oh man, there's a baby now.

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And what happens when a man gets together with a woman? And for those of you guys that are listening with your children right now, I'll leave it there.

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I think we were both like bummed out that I got pregnant and he was just like supportive of what

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I wanted to do. Can I ask a question? What woman, what woman in her right mind as an image bearer of God experiences the grace and the glory and the gift and the blessing and the majesty of a baby within her own child, her child?

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And what woman says we were both disappointed? You're a woman, an image bearer of God, shame on you.

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Shame on you for denigrating the image of God and the whole glory of the creation experience.

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Like shame on you for being a woman who says that I actually created my baby.

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It's mine, it's a part of me. This is my little girl. It's my little boy. And you go -

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Bummer. Bummer. What a bummer. You know, it's amazing because this is, and when I say this, please understand,

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I have to speak in two ways today. Please hear this. I have to speak as a minister of the gospel with boldness around the truth of God and I have to also have a heart of compassion and mercy for sinners, but I have to tell the truth.

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And let me just say, what a disgrace. What a disgrace to where we are in this country and that we will say these sorts of things out loud, proudly.

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I have a church of women. Some of them have wanted so desperately to get pregnant and they have shed tears on their pillow at night, throughout the night, just begging

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God, God, would you please give me the gift of my own child? And they just plead and beg and the glorious thing is when

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God does it, it's like, yes, right? And some people have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on fertility treatments to get the ability to actually create life within them and the moments when it happens, it is so glorious and amazing and it's just this incredible worshipful experience and here's a woman who proudly, in our culture, in our day today, says out loud,

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I was given the gift of my own child, my own little boy, little girl, and I was so disappointed.

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It's a deplorable place to be as a country. It truly, truly is. Were you reckless at the time?

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I mean, I don't. Let me answer that for you. Yes.

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Were you reckless at the time? Yes. Yes, you were reckless and today, you are even more reckless.

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You've abandoned yourself and you are so trying to stuff down the knowledge of God that you say to yourself here, you say,

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I don't want God in my knowledge. Yeah. I don't want to think about him ultimately and his standards and what he would have me do.

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You were not only reckless then, ma 'am. You are very reckless now. Anybody else?

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Please feel free to jump in. No, keep going. Keep going, it's gonna get it. I wouldn't really say that I was being reckless. Mistakes happen and sometimes you just don't do that in the moment.

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You know what I mean? I don't know. I'm glad. Okay, can I say something to that right there?

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So you have her saying, oh, well, I'm glad that you don't know. As a young person,

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I'm glad that you're shielded from that knowledge as if she's trying to protect the virtue and the beauty of sex when she's already disconnected it from its beauty and procreation.

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She's painted sex as purely a recreational activity and the only meaning that it has is the meaning that she gives to it.

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It doesn't have the predetermined meaning by God that he's given to it. The biological reality, the glory of children, fatherhood, motherhood, all those things, it doesn't have that meaning.

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It only has the meaning that I give to this act and by which I've consented to. And I'd like to talk more about the worldview that kind of lies at the bottom of that as it goes on.

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Go ahead. Do you want to do it now or should we wait? I won't wait until she gets to the other comment because it's really critical to understand.

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Here we go, guys. When you have an abortion, what exactly do you do to have the abortion?

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You go to the doctor and they put this little straw inside of your cervix and then inside of your uterus and then they just suck the pregnancy out.

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Suck the pregnancy out. Terminology change. Baby. Now it's a pregnancy. No consistency.

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Yeah. I didn't want to have a baby. What happens when you have an abortion? Well, they take the baby out.

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The woman gets rid of her baby. Here, suck the pregnancy out, right? Well, let's talk about it from the perspective of the child that you're killing.

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Of course, yes, there's one way of DNCs and things like that where they go inside and suck out the baby.

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But let's talk about what actually takes place. We're talking about the pulling off of arms and legs and heads.

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We're talking about decapitation. We're talking about disemboweling a little girl in the womb.

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We're talking about a child. Many times when women have these abortions where the child feels every moment of it.

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We're talking about setting a child on fire in the womb by burning the child chemically. We're talking about a graphic and gruesome death that honestly should never be wished upon anybody under any circumstance.

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It's amazing. We show more concern and we show more grief over the serial killer and rapist who receives capital punishment.

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One of the struggles they have with capital punishment is people will say, because they'll have so much pity, God says don't pity the murderer.

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He says don't show to the judge, don't show any pity on the person who's murdered somebody. It's life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth.

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It's equal justice. But we want to show so much pity to the murderer and to the rapist and serial killer today that we've actually had to have debates in and out about is this really a right way to actually end this person's life?

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Do we want to have a firing squad? That's kind of painful. What if they feel all of that? How about hanging?

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Hanging seemed like it was quick and easy. Sometimes we really suffered that way. We don't want to suffer that much. Then we go, how about lethal injection?

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Then there's a debate over lethal injection. Sometimes it goes wrong and the person feels the entire five, ten minutes of this and their suffocation goes on.

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We fight and we worry and we're concerned and we show all of this respect for the person who has chosen to murder or to rape or whatever another person.

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We fight and we go, oh, we just can't have a graphic death for this person when they're guilty of a crime

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God says they deserve to die for through the civil magistrates. In here, we're talking about the kind of thing that happens to these children that we wouldn't wish on anybody.

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We don't want serial killers to get this kind of death. That's what happens. Yeah, we're not chemically burning or tearing murderers limb from limb.

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Right, but we do to these innocent children. It's the mothers who go in to hand their child over to the abortionist to do this.

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It was like a crappy dentist appointment or something. It was just like, ah, this is a body thing that's kind of uncomfortable, but then it was over and I felt really just grateful that I wasn't pregnant anymore.

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So callous. There it is again, bummer and then grateful.

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Yeah, and what you're trying to point out, Zach, the most is that there's this change of language and terminology to coat over what's actually taking place or to redefine the experience in such a way it was not such a big deal for a mother to go in.

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To sanitize it. And to pay an assassin to tear her child into pieces. So her little girl or little boy was slaughtered by a man that she paid or a woman that she paid.

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And the way she describes it, it was kind of an icky, like when I killed my child, it was kind of an icky, uncomfortable body experience.

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It was like a bad dental appointment. It's an amazing way to sanitize the murder of a child.

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As a matter of fact, this is really interesting. There is, and by the way, just I want to warn you, I'm telling you ahead of time.

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There's a very interesting documentary on HBO. It's available on YouTube now, and it's the

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Confessions of the Iceman. He is a, he was the mafia hit man. He was, he's one of the most prolific serial killers in our history.

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He, I believe, I might be wrong on this, so forgive me, but I think he has the most hits under his belt over anybody.

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I've heard numbers as high as like 300 something. He confesses to over 100, but I've heard numbers as high as 300 something.

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He has, when you watch him, when you watch him talking about all the different hits that he did, he describes them in vivid detail.

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So I'm warning you ahead of time. It is very hard to listen to, but if you're interested in, you know, listening to how these people think and everything,

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I think it'll be interesting to you. But when he talks about it, he talks about it in the same kind of callous way.

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Like he just, you know, it's really about him and what he experienced, his feelings. What a parallel to look at. Yeah, and there's really nothing about this person that I needed to respect.

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There's no dignity, no value there. He's talking one time about how he was just trying to figure out new ways to kill people, and he was interested in using a crossbow.

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He's like, I wonder if this would work. He's like, so, you know, I just grabbed one, and I went and I found a guy in his car. I knocked on his window, pretended to ask him for directions, and then

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I shot him in the head. He's like, and I thought, oh, that works. Okay. And like he walks away from it. There's this callousness, this sort of like you have been given over to your sin by God.

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If you as a woman can talk about killing your own daughter or son in this way, in this callous way,

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I would say Romans chapter one, therefore God gave them over to do what is against nature.

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Now, of course, that context is about homosexual sin, which is a wicked sin. It's sinful, evil, awful, and you need to turn from it and come to Jesus and be reconciled to God.

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There is grace and forgiveness and mercy for all sinners of any manner of sexual sin. But I think this is also an example of like what's against nature.

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Like it is against the very natural thing that God has created and how he set the world up. Yeah. That's the comparison.

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You said it exactly. Romans one, even though that context is homosexuality, it's what's against nature.

01:00:18

What is a woman's natural function of her body according to what God has put within her to grow a life, to nurture a life, to care for a life.

01:00:26

Yes. And so people ask all the time, do you think that the women really know? Yes. Absolutely.

01:00:32

Romans one says that they know not only who God is, not only by what he's made, by what he's made in them because our bodies are part of the created order.

01:00:40

And so our bodies, everything around us screams and testifies to the glory of God, including ability to bear children.

01:00:47

All of those things just shout, right? Just shout what she's suppressing. That's right.

01:00:53

That's right. Here we go. I've gotten into many an internet argument about it.

01:00:58

Facebook, Instagram, just all the social media. That's the place where that goes down. It's so taboo to a lot of folks and I don't know why.

01:01:06

Do you think that sometimes it's not okay? I don't know why this would be taboo to some folks. Mothers and fathers killing their children.

01:01:13

To have an abortion. I want to say if you're being reckless, if there's nothing wrong going on.

01:01:20

I don't know. I just don't agree. Do we want people to just have all those babies?

01:01:27

No. We'll adopt them.

01:01:35

Well, that's his answer. Well, listen to his answer. Yeah, let's get to that. So what do we do with them? Put them up for adoption.

01:01:41

Hey, there's an idea. What an amazing concept and idea. This child himself who says yes to abortion, but under certain circumstances, no.

01:01:52

Would you really want to have all these kids? You don't want to have all these kids? Well, put them up for adoption. Because you see, what people ought not to do as image bearers of God with dignity and value and purpose and meaning, what they ought not to ever do is to say, are we really supposed to have all these image bearers of God around here?

01:02:13

Are we supposed to have all these unique creations of God? Do we really want to have them all around here? See, the image bearer of God who hasn't been turned over to their sin doesn't see the world that way.

01:02:24

It's an incredible thing. There are even pagan nations that would look at something like this as absolutely deplorable and disgusting in history that you would even have the thought of killing your own offspring, your own child.

01:02:35

Of course, pagan nations have gone the other way, but you can see that image of God pouring out and shining through at times.

01:02:43

It seems like such a simple answer to me. Do you really want to have all these kids around? Well, adoption.

01:02:50

Adoption sees them. But again, we've talked about this a zillion times. At the mill, we have told these women they're going in to murder children.

01:02:59

We will adopt your baby. Please don't murder your child. What's their response? Well, I can't have someone else have my child.

01:03:05

I couldn't let somebody raise my child. That's what they say to us. That's what it boils down to. I feel like if I am forced to create life...

01:03:15

Wrong. This is where the worldview comes in. This is what I was saving for, too.

01:03:21

We can talk about this. This comes down to the fundamental issue with all this is these people want self -autonomy, and she'll say that later.

01:03:31

They want self -autonomy. They want to be God. She thinks she has created life.

01:03:41

Wrong. You've created a moment of lust and passion, but you haven't created life.

01:03:47

You did not cause the sperm to swim to the egg and fertilize it. You had a moment.

01:03:53

You did not create life. You do not get to decide to then remove that life from this earth.

01:03:58

God is the creator of life. And that's what the issue is. It goes back to the garden. Did God really say?

01:04:05

It all goes back to that. Half God said. Yep. I'll just say quickly, when she says, if I'm forced to create a life...

01:04:11

Let me just play through this real fast just so you can comment. I have lost the right to my own life.

01:04:17

If I'm forced to create a life, I've lost the right to my own life. I'm going to say this to you. This is really, really important.

01:04:23

You haven't been forced to create a life. As you evidenced at the beginning of this video.

01:04:30

You understood that what happens when the man and woman come together is they can create a human being when they come together.

01:04:37

That whole process brings together a unique human being within the womb.

01:04:43

You knew that. For example, she doesn't talk this way about digestion. If I'm going to be forced to digest food,

01:04:49

I don't want to have to use the bathroom. It's like, no, no, no, no. That's not how it works. You're not forced. Digestion is a natural process.

01:04:57

And what happens is, you put food into your mouth and drink into your mouth. And it goes into your body. And then there's a natural process as a consequence of that decision to eat that you're not in control of the natural process.

01:05:09

When I have a hamburger, which we're going to do very shortly. Hopefully. When I have a hamburger, I don't go all of a sudden and start swallowing going, all right now, digest, digest.

01:05:21

Make it work. Luke's not going, hey, I need to talk. Oh, he's digesting his food right now. And I'm going, hang on.

01:05:27

Let me digest that. I'm working it through here. It's a natural process as a consequence of putting food into my mouth.

01:05:33

And you knew that when you had sex with a man. And so you weren't forced to have a life no more than you are forced to digest food.

01:05:41

It's a natural process as a result of the decisions that you made and you know it.

01:05:46

And when you say, well, if I'm forced to have a life, then I'm forfeiting my rights as a woman. No, that's not how mothers talk, right?

01:05:54

Like this child, I need to kill it so that I can live my life. Do you know what you think about women?

01:06:00

I'll give you an example and then I'll turn it over to you. Yesterday, I was watching a video that popped up in my feed and it was a woman who was caught smoking.

01:06:09

She was smoking the drugs. It was a straw and a foil, so probably meth or heroin. And she was like in a

01:06:15

Walmart parking lot or something like that. And so she was caught, someone saw her, but they saw a child.

01:06:20

They saw a child in the back of the car, right? And they said, oh, she's smoking drugs and the child's in the back of the car.

01:06:26

They called the cops. Cops show up and this woman's trying to hide all the stuff and they think she swallowed some stuff. And what's amazing is that when you look at the comments, this is amazing.

01:06:35

When you look at the comments under a video like that, it just goes out, it's a natural inclination of image bearers of God to see a mother who's smoking drugs in front of her child, being destructive in that way.

01:06:46

It is a natural human inclination and response, God -given, I would argue, to say that ought not to be that way.

01:06:53

She cannot behave that way. You're the mother. Care for your child. How dare you act so reckless in front of your child.

01:07:02

And everybody, unanimously, you'll see through those threads, nobody will say, well, that mother has a right to her own life.

01:07:09

She can do whatever she pleases. They go, no. You give up yourself for the child and you give up what your desires are and your wants and your needs and all those things if it means it's for the sake of the child.

01:07:23

The child comes first because that's what moms and dads do in a Christian worldview.

01:07:30

Not in this essential atheistic perspective, of course, but this is not how mothers ought to speak.

01:07:38

And that worldview has been developed by our culture, oftentimes through osmosis. We don't even question it.

01:07:44

What's come as a result of these statements that she's making, it's important for Christians to see, I think, that indicative of these kinds of statements and the statements of these children is there is a worldview at the bottom of this.

01:07:56

And so the worldview that she's articulating, obviously, we've talked about personhood before, right, where you have two -story view of reality.

01:08:02

The essential self is the immaterial and then the body is the lower story, less valuable. And so the body gets denigrated in that.

01:08:10

Then when you apply that to abortion, you can get rid of a baby's body because it's not its true self. It's just the body. It's a baby, but it's not a human being, right?

01:08:17

So we know that foundation. But more importantly, too, more specifically, what she's articulating is something that's called social contract theory.

01:08:24

And that is this idea. Let me give you the modern expression so you understand it. My womb is being invaded by a fetus.

01:08:33

That's how it sounds in the modern expression. Where it comes from is the Enlightenment, scientific revolution.

01:08:39

What people started doing was starting to apply Newtonian physics and all of the scientific concepts to the status of relationships.

01:08:48

So people said, I wonder what a world would look like in which before religion, before tradition, before societal norms, before all these conventions, what would relationships have looked like with human beings?

01:09:01

Well, they would have been just purely contractual. A human being couldn't enter a relationship with another human being unless they had their consent first.

01:09:10

That's where this comes from. And then the modern -day expression brought over is that Newtonian physics is essentially atheistic, like you said, where you have a universe, a cosmos with indifferent, unconnected atoms that are just banging into each other.

01:09:25

Right? It's atheistic. And it essentially is what it is. And so you have the contract view of the relationship that says, hey,

01:09:32

I get to dictate the terms of this relationship. It's not pre -decided for me by God.

01:09:38

It's not the covenantal status. It's not the covenantal arrangement, which is what marriage is.

01:09:43

And as a result, the product of that union, children. It's a contractual relationship. So if I didn't agree to this, if I don't agree to God's standards of life, the way he says things are and the functions of my body, this fetus is an invader in my womb, and I have every right to protect myself against it.

01:10:01

That's the worldview that's being articulated right now. Social contract theory and all of what we know to be true about the

01:10:08

Bible and the biblical worldview and the covenantal arrangement God has given us is that God has determined the course of our relationships and the basis for relationship is in his very being and his triune nature,

01:10:20

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He gives us marriage as an expression of that and then the result of children.

01:10:26

So it's very important that we talk about these things because you already did the internal critique on it. She talked about at the beginning, you know, didn't want to have a baby.

01:10:34

The worldview just collapses when she's talking about engaging in the sexual act, separating it from its procreative function, making it recreational, right?

01:10:43

But she consented to this relationship and now on the back end of the other side of her mouth, she's saying,

01:10:49

I didn't consent to this baby being in here. I feel like if I'm forced to create life, I've lost the right to my own life.

01:10:56

Someone's forcing this on me. It's not the contract I signed up for. That's what

01:11:01

Christians need to understand about this worldview. It's atheistic to the core. It's being given new robes and new garbs and it's just being regurgitated and it's being absorbed by our youth and you'll see that if we get to it in the video where the child just starts talking about, well,

01:11:15

I don't feel like the baby's really human, it's more like a sea cucumber. It's not capable of complex thought.

01:11:21

Well, neither is the person in the coma. That's right. Right? Neither is the husband that's sleeping and the wife that stabs him in his sleep.

01:11:27

That's right. Right? So if you flesh it out, if you take it to its logical end, its implication, if you fully flesh it out, it collapses on itself and that's what we need to be engaged in as the

01:11:36

Apostle Paul says. We don't, you know, the warfare is not physical. We wage war in the spiritual realm, casting down lofty arguments and everything that sets itself up against the knowledge of God.

01:11:46

That's right. I should be the one to decide if my body creates a life. Even if you're giving a kid up for adoption, you still like have a kid out there somewhere, you know?

01:11:57

Are you religious at all? I believe in God. What do you think that God thinks about abortion?

01:12:05

If I were to say, I think like he's fine with it because there are still babies being born.

01:12:10

What do you think God thinks about abortion? Well, let's take that and I want to be very gentle with this. He's a child.

01:12:16

Yeah, sure. He's a child, so let's be very careful with how we handle him. When he says, he's asked a moral question.

01:12:23

What do you think God thinks about abortion? Well, in his answer as a child, and we have to give him grace for that and mercy, he says, well,

01:12:28

I think he's probably okay with it because there are still children being born. Well, do the internal critique. Fantastic. I'll take that.

01:12:34

There's a moral dilemma. You know, how does God feel about it? Well, there's all these other things happening, so I guess he's fine with it. Well, let's talk about, did we feel that way about rape?

01:12:41

Well, how does, what is rape? Well, it's, you know, it's the violation of another person's body, their being, without consent.

01:12:50

It's sexual intercourse without permission. It's a violent, taking over another person's whole being and their body.

01:12:58

It's awful. It's an assault. Treating them like less than human. But, exactly. But let's think about what is it fundamentally?

01:13:04

It's sexual intercourse, which is also a good, amazing, glorious thing in the writing of the

01:13:09

Bible. So, could we also say that about rape, when we ask that moral question?

01:13:15

How do you feel, how do you, what do you think God thinks about rape? I think he's okay with it, because there are people having sex that aren't raped.

01:13:25

Like, can you do that with a category like that? Can you say, well, there are people still having sex, so God must be okay with rape.

01:13:30

It doesn't work with that moral question, does it? Babies are being born, therefore, killing them is okay. Right.

01:13:36

Well, I guess babies are still being born, so I guess abortion is fine. And again, this is a child. It's, of course, just a child, but that's just the argument reduced to absurdity.

01:13:45

So, what do you think God thinks about abortion? I'm glad she's asking this question, because my answer to that would be, well, don't you know?

01:13:52

Like, God has already spoken. Have you not read? And do you know what Jesus says about the word of God? Here's God in flesh.

01:13:59

Here's the incarnate one, who, by the way, was conceived in the womb of his mother, and was in the womb of Mary for nine months.

01:14:08

When God became a man, took on flesh, tabernacled among us to save his people from their sins, to bring salvation as promised, as planned, and on time, when he talked about the word of God, he said to the

01:14:19

Jews, he said, have you not read what was spoken to you by God? And then he quotes the

01:14:26

Old Testament. This is, by the way, it's a passage that's been written down for like 1 ,400 years before Jesus came, and it was not said directly to the people standing in front of Jesus, because they're not 1 ,400 years old.

01:14:41

They came much, much later. They're 1 ,400 years after Moses, and this is so critical.

01:14:46

Please hear this, because this should be a boom moment, not just about the abortion issue.

01:14:52

Jesus says, 1 ,400 years after Moses, have you not read what was spoken to you by God?

01:14:59

None of those people in front of Jesus were alive when Moses was around, but Jesus equated the reading of Scripture with God speaking to them, and watch this.

01:15:09

What was it? What was it, Jesus? What was Jesus talking about? Jesus actually talks about the

01:15:16

I am statements of God from the Old Testament. I am the

01:15:22

God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I am. He actually expects them to understand even the verb, the tense, the tense, the present tense of I am from something written 1 ,400 years later, and he bases it off of a tense, and he says, have you not read what was spoken to you by God?

01:15:46

Now, amazing, Jesus' view of Scripture is that you can bring this down, this discussion of God speaking down to the verbal forms.

01:15:54

How did this, what tense was it put in? That sort of a thing. That's how much Jesus respected the word of God and saw it as valid and relevant to people, and Jesus says, have you not read what was spoken to you by God?

01:16:05

So when you ask the question to me as a Christian, what do you think God thinks about this? I would say, well, I'll show you what he speaks to you right now.

01:16:13

I'll show you what he speaks to you, and this is what he says about abortion, and God would call it murder. You shall not murder.

01:16:21

Abortion. I think it's all part of God's plan. That's smarter than what

01:16:26

I said. I really was just thinking about Drake when I said that. Clearly.

01:16:33

So I'm just thinking about Drake, really. I think it's all part of God's plan. There's another aspect to this that we need to consider very, very seriously here, and that is that, yeah,

01:16:43

God is in control of this world. He declares the end from the beginning, and he does according to his will among the hosts of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth, and no one can stay in his hand and say, what have you done?

01:16:54

He is the first. He is the last. He does according to his will. He does according to his will.

01:17:01

Nobody can thwart his purposes. God is sovereign even over the sin in the world. Human beings are responsible for their sin.

01:17:08

They're doing what their heart desires. They're doing what they long for. They're doing what they want. God doesn't make anybody do anything sinful.

01:17:16

That is against his own character. However, God has determined to allow people to do sinful things for his own purposes and glory.

01:17:23

For example, and this is the one we should hang on as Christians because it is a very relevant one when the early church in the book of Acts was talking about the murder of Jesus on the tree.

01:17:32

They said, gathered in the city against your holy servant Jesus. They start naming all the people with different motivations, different purposes for coming against Jesus.

01:17:40

Pontius Pilate, Herod, the peoples of Israel, the Gentiles, to do what? What'd they do? They murdered

01:17:45

Jesus. What'd they do? They lied about Jesus, false witness on a trial. What'd they do? They smashed his face.

01:17:52

What'd they do? They put crown of thorns on his head. What'd they do? They nailed him to a tree and then they, like dogs, surrounded the cross and they reviled the

01:18:00

Son of God on the tree. And when the church talks about it, they said this, to do whatever your hand predestined to occur.

01:18:08

Yeah, God predestined the murder of Jesus and all the wicked and sinful people that were involved, they will get what's coming to them because they did what they wanted to do.

01:18:17

But they didn't get away with it before God. God had a purpose in it. So yes, I'll say this, according to the biblical worldview,

01:18:24

God is completely sovereign and yes, every single abortion that takes place in this world, God knows about.

01:18:31

And every single abortion in this world hasn't taken God by surprise. Every single abortion in this world is under, is in the sovereign hand of God and this is really important.

01:18:42

Listen closely. We don't live in a righteous world. We live in a world of rebels against God. All of us are.

01:18:48

Each and every one of us deserve the judgment and the wrath of God. And if God, the Holy One, in organizing

01:18:54

His world for His purposes and His glory ultimately in the world, if He determines to allow sinners to slaughter their own children,

01:19:03

He is doing it, please hear this, as judgment upon them.

01:19:10

And you say, where did you get that? I can give you a number of references but how about Romans chapter 1 because we've been there today already.

01:19:16

In Romans chapter 1 it says this, therefore God gave them over. Therefore God gave them over.

01:19:23

Therefore God gave them over. It says this, even though they know that those who do these things deserve to die, they not only do them but they give hearty approval to those who practice them.

01:19:37

And how'd they get there? Well, God gave these image bearers of God who have

01:19:44

His law written within them who are suppressing the truth and unrighteousness, He gives them over.

01:19:50

And so yes, abortion is under the sovereign control of God but watch this, that should not be something that comforts the godless.

01:19:59

It is something that is meant to be judgment upon the godless, that they would slaughter and kill their own children.

01:20:07

Yeah, God is sovereign over abortion. She had the right answer but she was joking. Yeah. I'm not doing this according to Drake's worldview.

01:20:15

Certainly not. Are you guys religious? Yeah, I'm Catholic. Have you ever heard of what the

01:20:21

Catholic church thinks about abortion? I don't think the church liked it because they see it as killing the baby.

01:20:30

What do you guys think? I think that it's up to you. Same. You can't see the video right now but go look at it later.

01:20:40

She liked that answer. Her face is going up and down, big smile, ear to ear. I think it's up to you.

01:20:46

She's, yes, yes. What do you think? Yes, she loved that answer. I feel supported by that.

01:20:53

I'm glad. I'm glad that you show that you do and we would understand that.

01:20:59

You feel very, very supported in that. I believe that life begins when a person has a baby.

01:21:07

Really? Which is completely asinine. Life begins when a person has a baby, when they have the baby.

01:21:18

To what degree, like when the head's out? Yeah, I don't know. Or is it if a foot comes out? Is that life?

01:21:24

At what point do we determine when the person has the baby? Do you mean when the whole body is out, when you're holding it in your arms, when you started breastfeeding, when you've had it for a week, when they have the baby?

01:21:37

If you say that's a foolish discussion, don't be stupid. Have you not read the debates going on about how long we should have to kill a child even after it comes out of the womb?

01:21:46

After birth abortion. Also, I have not actually created a life.

01:21:54

It's not actually a life even if it's on my due date. We're nine months in.

01:22:00

The baby now is late coming out. We've experienced a lot at Apologia where women are hanging out two or three weeks later.

01:22:06

It's still not here. He's still not here. Nope, no message. If I go past my due date, the actual due date where the baby can come out and it's perfectly fine and it's fully functioning and it's the right time.

01:22:20

I can kill the child in the womb? I can kill the child in the womb when it can just as easily survive outside the womb?

01:22:28

So it's a life when it comes out. Not according to God, but from your perspective and in your worldview, not even according to science.

01:22:36

Your arguments are decades upon decades upon decades old. These are bootleg arguments.

01:22:43

They are bad arguments. They will never stand in any kind of public debate or in a laboratory.

01:22:50

It is a fact of science and biology. Empirically, you cannot deny it that the moment that sperm gets into the egg, a life forms.

01:23:01

A human life, a distinct human life. And guess what? You still have that baby before it's born.

01:23:06

It's just not in your arms. It's inside of you. Yeah. It's the sheer force of will.

01:23:13

It's alive when I say it's alive. That's what it is. Clearly, some people believe that life begins at conception.

01:23:21

Clearly. Yeah. Clearly, some people believe life begins at conception. Do you mean all of biological science?

01:23:28

Every medical textbook written in the last, I don't know. Can you imagine a person who's degreed and they're seriously respected in their scientific field, specifically biological science, right?

01:23:41

Anatomy. They're in a convention of other biological scientists and people that are all in this field.

01:23:48

And you have just the physicists and the physicians and everyone's a scientist. Little white coats.

01:23:54

And they're walking around with stethoscopes and beakers. That's beakers. Bonson burners.

01:24:01

You say Bonson? Yeah. That's what they're called, right? No, they're not Bonson. Bunson. Bunson burners.

01:24:10

Can you imagine putting forth a paper in that context with all the white lab coats and going, gentlemen,

01:24:19

I want to say that life does not begin at conception. There's no life at conception in the womb. That's not life. It's not life.

01:24:26

It's just floating mass and it's not living. It's like, I'm sorry, stupid. If we go to Mars, and by the way, when

01:24:34

I say stupid, I mean in the most classical sense of the word. When we talk about things that are total foolishness and against what we know and is contrary to all of science and all of nature and all of the image of God in us, when we go to Mars and we're looking for life, we'll qualify anything.

01:24:49

Oh, that's life. Oh, look. I think I found something that might be life and everyone freaks out and goes, ooh. Don't step on it.

01:24:54

Don't step on it. Make sure the rover doesn't drive over it. Just do anything you can to make it work.

01:25:01

Red rover, red rover. And we will, all of us, make sure you find out what that is and preserve it because it's life.

01:25:08

This is undeniably life at conception. You cannot get around it.

01:25:14

And I want to say this. Keep going, pro -choicers and pro -aborts. Keep going because the more you talk, the more you hang yourself.

01:25:22

The more you speak in 2018 with decades old and terrible and refuted arguments, you show your cards that you don't have a hand.

01:25:36

Which it doesn't. Do you know what conception? Does that make sense? When a sperm goes into the egg, it becomes a fetus.

01:25:47

Latin for baby. Zyko first, actually. Right. Make sure we're interpreting her.

01:25:53

Baby. She's speaking Latin. Baby. How do you say baby in Espanol?

01:26:00

Bebe. Is it? I think so. Everybody who's watching. It's B -E -B -E, right?

01:26:06

Everybody who's watching right now. Bebe. If I'm right, you owe me a

01:26:13

Yerba. Who knows Espanol? I'm sorry. I don't. How do you say baby in Espanol? I looked up how to say babies are murdered here when

01:26:20

I went out to the mill once in Spanish because I realized we had a lot of Hispanic people going in. I would say los bebes son asesanidos.

01:26:27

I think is what I saw. I'm so sorry. I think that's from tacos.

01:26:34

Okay. Hold on. Let's see this one. They're saying baby. Oh my goodness. It's baby in German.

01:26:40

Baby in... Just to make a difference. It's baby in Dutch too? Okay. Hold on.

01:26:47

Give us all the languages. Japanese. There you go.

01:26:53

Oh, great. Akachan. Akachan. That one was different. Akachan. There you go. She says, what happens when...

01:27:01

Conception. What happens? What happens? Some people believe.

01:27:07

The girl goes, well, the sperm and the egg, they meet and they go in and then it creates an

01:27:13

Akachan. It's literally the same. You understand, friends, this is the same thing.

01:27:21

You can try this very slippery language, but it doesn't work to a person who understands what the word means. If you say fetus, the person in Latin is going, why don't you speak

01:27:29

English? We're speaking English. Let's go ahead and talk about it like it really is. More scientifically, zygote, fetus, infant, toddler, adolescent, these are just words that we use to describe human beings at particular stages of their development.

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old person. Elderly, yeah. It's a word that we use to describe the human being. Grampy. Old person.

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Grampy. Old man. Peapaw. Old lady. Peapaw. All right, here we go.

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In a lady's tummy. Yes, sir. Or in the womb. It's not really a human being yet. According to...

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Personhood theory. According to just your own definition, or do you want to use the definition that God gives and the definition that all biological science demonstrates?

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Like when you have the full DNA makeup of a human being, are you human or are you chimpanzee?

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Are you human or are you a parrot? Are you human or are you a squid? Like if we're actually going into the laboratory and you take like this, you know, human being in the womb at conception and the person starts to do like the laboratory testing to say like what is this in all, what is it in creation?

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What is it in all the world? Like what is it identified as? Person would look under the microscope and say, well that has the

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DNA of a human, this is a human being, right? It's not a parrot, it's not a fish, it's not a dog, it's not a cat, it's not a lion, this is a human being.

01:28:58

But Jeff, when they're pushed to that, they'll say, well yeah, it's a human being but it's not a person. Right. Yeah, and then therefore you have now revealed that your position is in no way biological, scientific, it is purely a religious metaphysical position.

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Yes. So keep your theology off of their biology. Amen. That's how I feel. Yeah, I kind of like to compare it to like a sea cucumber.

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It's not thinking, it's just living. It's like your arm is not capable of complex thought.

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Neither is a baby inside your womb. That's a scary place to be when children are articulating that.

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Yes, it is. And it's a category error to compare a part of the human body to the person, the human being, right, that we're trying to identify.

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And besides, if you take this child's argument, and that's what he is, he's a child, and you say, you know, the arm isn't thinking, right, like it's just, you know, it's an appendage.

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Okay, so can we walk around, like just walk through the marketplace, and the guy bumps into me in the store, and I just lift his arm up, and I slice his arm off.

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Why? Because your arm's not thinking. Cop comes in, you know, get your hands up. What are you thinking? I go, hey, it's an appendage.

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It's not a thinking thing. It's not a thinking thing. Like, hey, this apple's not thinking.

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Can I chop this up, officer? Like it's an arm. It's not thinking, bro. I mean, like, you know, people would go like, are you out of your mind?

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Also, also, when you start doing categories, like it's not thinking, well, you're in a really sticky spot, and you're in a real troublesome place, philosophically speaking, and morally speaking, because, you know what?

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There are times when human beings aren't actually thinking rationally. For example, you have a person who has a seizure.

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I had a seizure at 7 o 'clock. I didn't even start to come to until around 1 o 'clock in the morning, where I actually, you know, couldn't understand what's going on, and everything else, and sort of coming out of it.

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Well, would it have been appropriate for, like, Luke to walk in that night, as he was standing by my bedside, with him, to look at me and go, well, he's not thinking anymore, and just start choking me, like, you know, let's put him out of his misery.

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Like people, he would have gone to jail for it. Why? Well, he's not thinking, officer. Well, he's not in his, he's not able to have rational thought in this moment.

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He's, like, passed out, so, you know, it's fine to kill him. Or, you can go the other direction, say, maybe someone goes into a coma, and, well, they're not thinking, or, they're asleep at night, and the wife stands on top of the husband and puts a knife in his chest.

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She's going to jail for that. She can't say, well, he wasn't thinking at that moment. And then, of course, the pro -aborts will say, ah, but that human being has the potential for thought later, at least later, and then you go, so does the baby.

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So, does the baby. Yep. Yeah. So, it's a bad argument. And that's, that's what's crazy about all this argumentation, man, is, like, the world looks at that now, and they call that kind of thing merciful.

01:31:46

You talk about something like with the elderly, like, oh, they're taking up room. They're taking up room. They're not capable of thinking, speaking, eating, so we should just pull the plug.

01:31:57

Right. That's merciful now. And that's what, those are the categories of mercy that we're applying to ending people's lives.

01:32:04

Yes. We're probably not going to finish all this today. we're an hour and a half into the show, so we'll probably just do just a few more minutes here, and then we're going to wrap up the show for today.

01:32:12

Guys, thank you for watching, and I think this actually gets more interesting after this. I like your take.

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At any point, were you, like, considering not doing it? No, actually, for me, it was, like, an instant feeling.

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Like, I was like, I'm pregnant, okay, I'm having an abortion. Was your family mad or okay?

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They were okay. Yeah, they were, really supportive, which I think was another reason I wasn't scared, is because I knew that I had so much support.

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Have you told a lot of people or just your close family? I told my Lyft driver on my way here.

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I've told so many people about my abortion, so I decided to tell everyone on Facebook that I had had an abortion, and that I was choosing to tell people that because I felt like the pro -choice movement was really silent about it.

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The status update went viral, which, like, wasn't just people being like, hey, I had an abortion too, yay, let's talk about it.

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There were, like, a lot of super angry people who were, like, harassing and abusing and threatening me.

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And, can I ask a question? Why? Why is that a problem? Now, by the way,

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I would want to point you to Jesus and the grace and forgiveness and mercy that's available to all who turn to Him and trust in Him.

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I would want to say the glorious news of the Savior. But, I have a question. That's because I have a

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Christian worldview, and I believe Jesus and I'm standing in the Word of God. But, why are you talking about things like abuse and, you know, people saying nasty things to you?

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Why are you talking about it like it's a problem? Yeah, why is shame a bad thing? Yeah, is that wrong in your worldview?

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Should human beings respect other human beings and respect their value and their dignity?

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Should we have honor for other human beings to where we don't slander them and say nasty things? Should we not be abusive to other human beings?

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Is that what you're saying to me is that human beings shouldn't be abusive to other human beings? Because, if that's what you're saying to me,

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I have a real problem with what you're promoting. Can you imagine if, like, John Wayne Gacy or someone like that all of a sudden pops up on Facebook and they're like, shout your murder!

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And they're like, you know, like, that wouldn't go over so well. That's what's happening now. we've been deluded.

01:34:23

I like to post controversial things. I think everyone should, within reason, have self -autonomy.

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You know, I'll post on Facebook sometimes, like, just your friendly reminder that abortion isn't murder.

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have you... There it is. Your friendly reminder. But, they know.

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The language in their response and in what's being put out in the media is being seen and they're using the word murder.

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That's right. They're using it. I am grateful to God for all of you who have been partnering with us for many, many years in this ministry trying to change the nature of the conversation and get the word murder back into this conversation.

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I am so grateful to God that the shout your abortion woman has to wade through this discussion in terms of murder.

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That is honestly something that Christians have tried to do for a long time but the pro -life movement has made it very, very difficult for us to do it.

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They call women victims. They tell you not to use words like murder and I am so glad that the pro -choicers recognize that they have to actually face down that word now.

01:35:23

Murder. Now listen, I want to say this. We don't want to use that word as an abusive thing but as a thing that would ultimately bring a person to repentance.

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Right? How do you bring someone to faith in Christ by lying to them about their sin or by telling them the truth about the holiness of God and their sin and their need to repent and believe in Jesus?

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You have to tell the truth about their sin. When I talk to a person who's in homosexuality, they've been turned over to that and they're in that lifestyle,

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I don't try to minimize the damage necessary in telling the truth about that sin.

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I want to tell the truth about it. This is how God speaks about that sin. But here's the thing for the person who's actually engaging in that sin full lifestyle is

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I'm going to say that it's not just your homosexuality that's a sin. It is that. Yes, that is for us depraved.

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So is adultery. And so is, you know, any kind of sex outside of marriage, yes. And homosexuality is a wicked, evil sin.

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But you need to turn from your sin, not just of homosexuality but a life of rebellion against God.

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But yes, you need to turn away from homosexuality. No, you're not allowed to hang on to that. No, a person cannot be living a life as a homosexual and engage in that behavior and actually be a

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Christian. I have to tell them the truth. As much as I love them and I try to be gracious to them,

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I cannot lie to them about what they're guilty of before God because I need them to know the Savior and I need to know them about how important it is that they understand that the death of Jesus is a powerful, glorious, and awful thing and that's what our sin deserves is what happened to Jesus.

01:36:56

That's right. He died. He nailed that sin on the cross. Not that we would shout it but that we would know that it was put to death with him on the cross.

01:37:07

I think we're good there. Yes, gentlemen? I think the rest of it is kind of silly anyways. Yeah, I think it does go off a little bit.

01:37:15

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Thank you for all of you guys who gave towards this ministry. We are so grateful to God. We received in about a week or so, a week and a half, about $330 ,000 towards our goal of $400 ,000 which is a fraction of the budget of the pro -life movement and last night, by the way,

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I need you to hear this. Don't go away yet. I need you to hear this. Just received, we receive messages all the time but I received a message last night from a

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Christian who's in Texas who he said they started End Abortion Now about a year ago which was him and an older lady and now they have a bigger team forming now through their church and they were able to save 22, 21.

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Yeah, 20 to 22. Yeah, 20 to 22 babies. And they shut down that place. And they shut down the abortion mill.

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01:38:51

We can face down this world for the glory of Jesus with his gospel. Amen. Jesus is winning the world.

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Amen. This world cannot defeat the king. Look at China. That's right. That's right. But it's not going to come without suffering.

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It's not going to come without hardship. It always has. Through much tribulation, we must enter the kingdom. That's right.

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That's right. So let's join together and let's lay our lives down for the lost. Let's love our neighbors as we love ourselves. And Pastor Luke.

01:39:16

Peace out. The Bear. Happy New Year. See ya. Sassafras in the back on the ones and twos. What's Isaac's nickname?

01:39:24

I don't know. I always used to call him Son of John. I don't know. Because his old voicemail was like,

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Hi, you've reached Isaac Bar -Jonas. Which means Son of John. Son of John. Because that's his dad's name.

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That's awesome. We'll think of something else. Yeah. I'm Jeff the Coma the Ninja, y 'all. Catch you guys next week right here on Apologia Studios channel.