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Good evening. Welcome to the laborers podcast. We are thankful and grateful that you've joined us tonight.

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I Prepared for us to do numbers tonight But there was a last -minute change and I'm thankful these guys are willing to make that change with me

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We're just gonna ask questions we're gonna have a candid conversation and We're gonna let the Holy Spirit lead and guide us and leading guide those who come to join us if you have a question

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Please leave it in the comment section um If I'm not we've been having a hard time or at least

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I've been having a hard time seeing these comments pop up From Facebook or YouTube on our stream your program.

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So it may be that you need to Give stream our permission Before you can type in a question and send it and we can see it if you're willing

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Go ahead and do that so we can see your question or if you'd like for us to pray for you We'd love to do that So, let's begin our conversation tonight with my fellow laborers

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So I'm gonna sit back just a little bit tonight and I'm gonna let you guys help me co -host tonight and ask questions

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If you've thought of anything, I know it was really last minute that I made this change But if you guys have any questions for me for each other

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If there's any text that you've been studying that you want to share Talk about see what other brothers think about it.

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Um What else I? Know we want to get into maybe some heavier

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Discussions in just a little bit, but maybe we can keep it a little bit lighter The theological questions that you've been thinking about And don't forget ask us questions.

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If you're watching we want to have a conversation with you as well. So Anything come to mind? Anything come to mind that you want to ask

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When's your birthday Robert my birthday is November 2nd, and I was born in the year 1978

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Man, you're old year, dude Starts aging this layer pretty quick Your birthday buddy,

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I was born December 12th 1998 Big John April 26

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So we got November December April and I'm January so January 15th 1979 so that means

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Robert is by far Far by just a couple months the

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Might I'd make sure to let her know Hey Tyler, can you do me a favor?

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Are you able to turn your mic up a little bit? Yeah, you're you're real look

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So what kind of uh, what kind of traffic are you seeing on some of these? Series you're putting out

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Robert if you don't mind me asking on the on the truth and love and Mm -hmm, and they were podcast sure

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Um, I would love to see it would be great if we could get some more traffic on YouTube I'm definitely not getting the traffic that that Tyler's been getting for the laborers podcast, but he's been recently

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Streaming live on rumble on his rumble page And I'm thankful for that because he's been getting some good views if not if I'm not mistaken

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It's been for the past 300 an episode. It's it's been something. Yeah, that's been really good.

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I would say after after I share the program, of course,

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I Don't dig down into the analytics and see how long the duration of how long people watch, you know

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But as far as when it says views we Several hundred

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I'd have to go back and look that's not something I keep in my memory bank

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But I think we're doing okay Well good. How's everybody's

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Easter? Preparations coming to churches. So my church we are we're a plant so we don't have our own building we we share a building with Another church and we are actually getting together for a night of worship on this

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Sunday with about seven other churches. I had a boy Is it is your

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Presbyterian, right? I'm Presbyterian, but I'm in a Baptist family at a non -denominational church.

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So So What does a Presbyterian worship in a non -denominational church driven there by Baptists look like Is there like some intense hand clapping?

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I mean, is it like do you? Is there can you like I mean, well,

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I have terrible rhythm. So if I start clapping We're gonna get off track here

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That's As light hearted as I know how to be brother Robert We could ask about arm wrestling or what is it brother?

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I'm Claude ask all time whether you're a stand -ups or your potted meat fan who would win an arm wrestling competition

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I mean, you know what? I don't know all them questions I'm curious if he's gonna put us to the test.

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Is that right on the conference? By the way Don't forget to register for our conference if you are available to come or if you're especially if you're local

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April 27th through 30th the labors podcast coming up. We would love to see you there.

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The theme is All authority in heaven and on earth. We know that Jesus said that God had given him all authority in heaven on earth

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So our lives need to reflect that and that's what each of our sessions are going to discuss different areas of our lives

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Where Jesus has authority and how we live that out. So and we're gonna have it online and our

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If everything works out Lord willing we're gonna have something unique That I'm not singing and this was

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Pastor John's idea and I love it It's gonna be unique for a conference

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I think using the word play by play kind of Down plays a little bit.

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It's gonna be a little more sanctified than that. I believe but but we are going to broadcast live the main session speaker and We'll start it early and we'll have two of our laborers be there to Be with you talk with you answer your questions in preparation for the sermon that's getting ready to come up and then after the summer sermon these two laborers will come back and give a little summary give their take on the message that they just heard and I've never seen that It's gonna be and it's gonna be

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Exclusively at the laborers conference 2023 So don't forget if you guys have any questions tonight's question night general chat candid conversation

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Give stream your permission and ask us a question. We'd love to try to attempt asking your question

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Let's get into something a little bit a little bit heavier Brother Jonathan you talked about it as we was getting on I'm curious just to see how you're gonna introduce it.

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So Obviously this week we had a another school shooting Tragic and In that event itself is is tragic as it is then there's then there's rather than addressing

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Evil and good and right and wrong then all of a sudden it becomes it becomes a political platform in this case

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Specifically is becoming a political platform for not only gun laws Regardless of your opinion of that.

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I don't think owning the gun or not on the gun is sinful But it has now become a political platform and this specific instances for the

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LGBTQ plus People and because this was a transgender person that that That administered the shooting and and unfortunately lost their life in in the midst of this as well

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It spins on in through and a greater political issue where Tennessee took a very conservative stance

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Putting laws in that that protect children from The Influences of the

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LGBTQ community without parental involvement That's how the country has been in the process is in a lot of ways

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Children and different ones can call themselves different names and all this kind of stuff even without parental involvement or parental consent

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Tennessee was taking steps to to hinder that that parental consent is is required and Taken multiple other steps conservative direction to limit this so so it to me, it's just a very very tragic state that our country's in and in how how people would take the murder of nine -year -old kids and Turn around and use that for a political platform and to make political statements and And so it is it's really speaking

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To the greater issues Of the the heart of our country and the sinfulness and the wickedness and the blindness to to what is evil into what is good and You know, it's it's a shame it really is a shame and and it's cowardly

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To go to a school and it was a Christian school at a church and target children

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And so So I don't mind saying that I mean, it's not a popular statement, but it's cowardly.

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It's it's wicked. Yeah evil it's it's if you're gonna attack something then

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Be man -to -man about it for lack of better terms. You know what I mean? Like like address adults address

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Doing that so So I'm sad in my heart and there's a lot of outrage about it

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And and then and then the other heavy part of it is it's going to continue it doesn't bring any unity it continues to It continues to drive wedges and so I think we should also be alert that there is a very clear agenda

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That is Targeted in our country towards Towards Divisiveness even to the point now that like That there's a day of vengeance is what it's called in the

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LGBTQ community And there's all these kind of it's like a call for violence. It's a call for those kind of stuff and So yeah,

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I think there should be an awareness and alertness going on about this and Careful watching not to live in fear at all

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But There's some crazy stuff going on in the country. Y 'all. I mean, it's it's it's crazy.

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So So, I don't know. I don't know how you guys feel about it. I mean like It's just on my heart and and that's an unprepared statement.

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So something is But it's you know, one of the things

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I like about this this outfit is that You know the how the bonus the heart to mouth speaks right and whenever your heart

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When your heart is focused on the things of God continually Things that are contrary

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You know, they grieve it and and it comes out, you know,

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I've always I've always thought about when you're working with somebody who says, you know who

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They start spilling cuss words out whenever they do something wrong, and then they look at you and realize oh man

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I know he doesn't really approve of that kind of language and they start apologizing to you about it And I was like, that's

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I mean, I'd expect anything less. I mean, you're you're acting the way that I expect you to act you're not and you're apologizing the wrong one as far as that goes, but So brother

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Robert, how do you think that the I Don't want to give the

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I don't want to bait the question and I'm not good at interviewing I don't had experience you got so how do you how do you think that this act?

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Committed Tells the intentions or the motives of one of all the person who's done this heinous thing this sickening thing and How people respond to it, what does that say about their motives and what governs their heart

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I Think we see it. I mean, it doesn't have to be that just this specific instance.

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Sure. You can use anything you want Yeah there it happens With every Tragedy every mass shooting that People people who are passionate about it on either side come out and you can you you were able to see their reactions and how they

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How they talk how they talk with with other people how they communicate Where their defenses are where their heart is and it they just they're just revealed

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Yeah, and and so this this is gonna be no different and and I've already seen you know a little bit that I've seen of reactions

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You know, I've already seen it. I've seen a video today of The brother in Christ him and his team or the folks that well brother

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Tyler, you you know him down there and it big SC and he goes to abortion clinic murder meal and They stand on ladders and Preach over fence exactly who you're talking about.

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Yeah at the at the abortion meal and a Lot of times they'll have hecklers come around the fence to them video them confront them and they were recording that today

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Well, they posted today. I don't know exactly what happened but it was recently because the conversation about this tragedy in Tennessee came up and And She was a clear volunteer for that clinic and she was a clear advocate for the

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LGBTQ community but she would not condemn the

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Taking of the innocent lives and I thought how tragic tragic that was a

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Lot of people will want to Target The the

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LGBTQ side of this situation But I think I think we can broaden it and say that anyone

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That is willing to take another innocent human life There there is something because they'll say well and this is a totally different conversation, but they will say because of or their

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LG LGBTQ status, whatever whatever part they partake in that Is the cause of the psychological problem that they have which led to the shooting?

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That's another question I'm gonna say in a broad sense everyone that Goes and takes innocent human life

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There there's something that that's not Working correctly

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Because that's It's just a horrible tragic evil thing to take the innocent life of somebody else and and I'm not

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I'm not a professional. So I'm not going to label and diagnose What their issue is?

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But just the fact that this is an evil act to take the life of innocent human being No matter their age whether they're pre -born or they're elderly and all in between It's evil and number one, we know it's evil because God says it's evil.

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We stand on his authority. We stand on the Word of God. So we're gonna claim that it's evil because of our

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Creator But also we should have respect for all human life for our neighbors no matter

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Their background no matter their religion color creed, whatever. We should have respect and love love for one another

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But I'm not sure if I answered your question all the way Yeah Anthony green just that posted a comment.

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Oh, you're way ahead of me here. He's fast So, uh brother

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Tyler same question I seen you stewing down there Repeat the question, please.

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What do you suppose? What happened in Tennessee Speaks to the motives behind The the individual and I'm not gonna say their name.

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So I don't think you ought to give him any kind of attention, right, right when

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What do you think these actions speak about the motives and as a follow -up or or the single question you answer both or whichever one?

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you want What do you suppose those people who defended the person?

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Who done this thing says about their motives You're one of the big things we talk about here a lot and I like that about it is the acts always have a motivator and and that motivation

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Tells more about what goes on sometimes in the actual act Because most of the time

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The things are done, but go ahead That is a loaded question that there there is honestly there's a lot here

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Honestly, there's a lot. We don't know. I'm still on like an individual level We don't really know what was going on in this person's mind that day

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There's a lot that we can gauge there's a lot that we can definitely speak to having knowledge of from God on the state man state of our depravity, but as an individual

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There's stuff we don't know we don't know his background. We don't know What exactly led to this like we don't have the play -by -play of what led to this day?

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We've got we know he's a former student. I forget if it's a he or she but that's um we know the person's a former students that they grew up in the school grew up in a

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Christian home and some have Made the assumption that it was a toxic

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Environments that this person was not received by their parents or the school or this church because of their persuasion and the way they identify themselves

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And so that's been one side has noted that that is why that is a their sense of justifying

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This act is that there is a sense where the church has Not done their job that the church has done this person an injustice

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In the name of Christ, and I'm not trying to sweep anything under the rug, but these are definitely rational questions

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I Just lost my train of thought here it is a it's a hard scenario because We are people of truth.

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We are people of the book and the book speaks very clearly about sin and the need to turn

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But when we tell people that especially today In this cultural climate where truth is relative and love means affirming who

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I say I am that's not always received well, and that has been labeled in recent years as unloving and So there is a very delicate balance with how do we love someone with truth?

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without Stepping over that line. Yeah, I don't I think that's definitely where Covenant Christian school is is did they love in truth?

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Did they love within those lines that they love as Christ loved? I don't think we know I don't think we know the intimate details of how this relationship played out.

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Not that that excuses anything But these definitely are rational questions for every local church as we navigate these issues

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Because it's very easy to point the finger at all Transgenders that this is this isn't the problem a

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Tucker Carlson even said I think yesterday that Transgenders are the enemy of Christianity.

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I do not think that's true I think they are people made in God's image who are broken and sinful just like the rest of us and Regardless of how we want to tackle that They are

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They're people. Yeah, they're made in God's image just like the rest of us. They still need the same

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Christ They need the same gospel and what that looks like to Put it before them

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Can be seen as unloving sometimes and I think we have to be very cautious as to is it unloving because the gospel

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Hurts or is it unloving because I'm making it hurt That answers your question somewhat

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That's that's where my head is kind of right now. I've seen just a little bit on that Just to just to clarify something

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I Don't I don't I can't speak for Tucker Carlson what he specifically meant but what

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I would press in on that is I would never say a transgender person person or LGBTQ person is

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The end is the enemy to Christianity. I would never say that because that's an individual and and and We don't wrestle against flesh and blood and those kind of things

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What what I would argue though, is there is an agenda that is being used the agenda of Community and and the

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In expression on the extreme version when I say the left or the liberal especially in the extremes

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There's there's still some mainstream that are on either side of this that we still have healthy debate just like in this

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You know in our family here with truth and love network and stuff We have all kinds of different views theological views opinions things we grapple through and in politics of the same, you know, there's there's

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On each side of the aisle of what we can serve considerable conservative and liberal

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There's still at the table with conversation. You know, I'm saying they're they're still working for the mainstream

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America, but in the extreme side of that There is definitely an agenda and and I have believed this for a long time that the the agenda of the

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LGBTQ community Will be what returns a higher level of persecution of Christians in America That will be the agenda that ushers

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That in because then it will become a hate crime, which it already is in other countries

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It already is in the close by as candidates It's a hate crime to preach Romans chapter 1 or 1st

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Corinthians chapter 6 or any of those It's a hate crime to do those kind of things it would be considered a rate a hate crime or or a prejudice crime if as a

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Christian pastor a Homosexual couple comes to me and says I want you to marry us and I say no

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I'm not allowed to marry you even if my bylaws and Constitution of my church as my job Would say no then now they're going to have right and legal lawsuit

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Against churches and against pastors and those kind of things. And so so that's not a scare tactic. That's that's very healthy

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It's that's the agenda. Yeah, that is targeted toward Christians and so I would not say an individual is a transgender person, but I would definitely say the transgender agenda or the

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LGBTQ plus the ideology the ideology of it is Definitely an enemy to Christianity.

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It is polar opposite. Just like what Robert was talking about a while ago the pro -choice agenda

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Not a not an individual who's pro -choice is willing to sit down across the table We wrote threat to Christianity and individual but now the pro -choice agenda is

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Anti -christian It is a it is without without dragging us into eschatology.

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It is the definition of an anti Christ Mentality it is the against the heart of Christ.

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It's against the design of God all of these other agendas in broadening it all of these other agendas are the enemy of the

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Christianity agenda and and that really is Again, I'm glad you brought it up.

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What is the conversation of what is really loving? What is what is really loving in the midst of that, you know, so I think

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I think I thank you for that. I think Anthony green for that Yeah, well,

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I was gonna read John 10 10 is first thing I think of whenever these kinds of things happen

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The enemy or the thief come to steal kill and destroy some version said the enemy But it said the thief come only only it's huge word in there to steal kill and destroy and then

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Christ would Turn that on his head and say I came

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That they may have life and have it abundantly. So When I think about things like this,

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I think that that Anthony hit the nail right on the head the enemy of the church is

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Satan because Everybody else honestly are who we've been called to minister to right when you read 1st

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Corinthians 6 You see this litany of people who aren't going to receive the kingdom of heaven or aren't and then Paul says such were some of you

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Right. So this this is our mission field to some degree. No to every degree to minister to everybody but we would be

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We would definitely not be as wise as a serpent As wise a serpent as harmless as a dove if we refuse to to recognize the clear and present dangers that are present inside the room and In that whenever I see this

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Alphabet soup thing. I always get the letters wrong. So I'm not gonna try it, right? I Don't call them a community with respect because they're a cult

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They're an absolute cult. They have a leader that leader is anything but Christ They are worshiping at this altar and and Frankly, they're they're not the only ones who fall victim to cult cultish practices, but this is a cult

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Would you I mean if you were to take? the The banner from the bottom of the news away and put up some foreign

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Weird religious practice name underneath that you would have a hard time understanding the difference between them if you read in the

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New Testament and you see all the horrible Terribly nasty because this is a

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I hope family related. I'm not going to list exactly what all happens at some of these High places and groves that were going on that God had called the

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Greeks out of whenever he saved them Right, that's the same Nonsense that's going on today inside of this cult of people who have chosen something to worship

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Period they've chosen. That's why I think you see them up in arms so much whenever somebody comes against them

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And then they am somebody comes against somebody of their group They've come against in their eyes their brother or their sister or whatever

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If you can't have if you have I don't know man I don't know that you can even say that in their group without without offending somebody but the the point is

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The agenda of the enemy has been singular since the garden

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Whenever he entered into the garden, he went against the weakest person in the garden

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Which was Eve the Bible says that we're to honor the females the weaker of the two sexes, right?

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the fair sex is weaker and Adam's job was to protect her and to rule over the garden and As he drops the ball

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We see the fall I didn't mean to make that rhyme, you know, so in any case

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I Still see the enemy attacking the weakest among us children women people who aren't

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Able to speak for themselves whether they be in the womb or whether they be like in Iceland I believe it is and I might be wrong

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I'm not gonna say the country somebody wrong, but I was reading an article about 10 years ago where euthanasia had become

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Prevalent amongst people with chromosomal diseases like Down syndrome or some other forms of Genetic defects and they claimed they cured

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Down syndrome overnight just because they killed everybody who had it You know and that kingdom vows that they will be 100 % free of Down syndrome and autism by 2035 because of euthanasia and abortion

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So I think that what you see is as you see a clear you you said a minute ago brother

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Jonathan You so, you know, why don't they come against one a man come up gets a man? If you've got a real problem and you really want to see see some kind of action about it

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Won't you go get somebody who can fight for themselves and you don't see that? You don't see that. Yeah, let me know one thing that Tyler said earlier or sorry

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John you done. No, no, you go ahead Yeah, I've said let me affirm one thing that Tyler said a while ago there too. He was talking about You know a person that's entrapped and deceived by saying that that's where we do have empathy on the individual

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I think that's very important as we address these things because again, we can all get up in arms very easily

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Agendas and and they do too. I mean that's that's we have an agenda

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We have a very clear agenda as a people of the book God gives us a sure in and to live in the kingdom of God in those things

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So so we have an agenda they do too But we should have empathy for a person that has been deceived

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We should have empathy for a person that's fallen prey to that and then where persecution will come to us is when we're ministering to individuals the truth and Then what happens when people hear the truth if they really hear the truth

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Which is the most loving thing we can do we can say it lovingly and say it compassionately

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But we can't water down the truth Say the truth and the truth the gospel does one of two things and we have to remember the gospel does one of two things

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In my opinion it it either draws them or drives them If the gospel is really presented in the clear manner that it should be it should never leave anyone neutral At choose this day whom you serve and they will either

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Serve one master or serve another they'll respond and serve Christ or they'll fall deeper into serving a worldly master

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We should have compassion on that Individual we should be brokenhearted over that but what we fight in in the agenda is represented what our brother said here earlier

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It's a demonic agenda Fighting not against flesh and blood but these principalities of in high places and darkness

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It is that agenda. So Robert I got a question for you. So as we deal with this

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What is the proper Christian response? When when we when we know abortion mills are killing thousands of kids every day when we know

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There's shootings going in in schools nine -year -old kids being shot up by guns

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And you know in a by by not just guns, but by wicked people rather, you know with guns

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What is the proper Christian response To address these kind of things

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Well, first of all, and I was thinking about this earlier and so beyond that I'm gonna have to think through a little bit more

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I Think the the first proper response pastorally for the church for Christians is that we we need to Get back to where we should have been where we should have started because we are not

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We are reactionary We are reactionary instead of being prepared and so we as We as churches we as as leaders as pastors we need to Finally get to where we should be already.

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We we should have been prepared ourselves. We should have been preparing our people but but we haven't and so Everything is reactionary and then that goes back to the conversations, you know,

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John that you were talking about earlier Thing things get heated things things are said that they shouldn't be said because we're not prepared

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Yeah, and we've we've not been preparing ourselves because we know We know the agendas

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We know the agenda of Satan. We know the agenda of the world. We we know about about all these agendas

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We know the truth of God, but we're not preparing ourselves to meet with people respond to people

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How to communicate these issues with people And I think we're just so unprepared and we're solely reactionary

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So that would be my first Angle at this is getting to a place where we are preparing ourselves

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What's out there to help us prepare to address or have conversation

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For you and I with with with the ministries we're in and the things You know the abortion abolitionist movement and pro -life movements and those kind of things.

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We're very connected it'd be easy for you and I to to Speak plainly and address those issues, but but but no one when you're talking about being prepared

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I find very few churches that are prepared to address The same -sex agenda

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They're willing to slam on the pulpit and pull up passages of Scripture and shake a finger

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So what do you guys know of any good resources out there? That really speak to this issue specifically because really and truthfully if you think about this this specific issue

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Is very raw in its in its In its being in its agenda being pushed forward specifically

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It's been around but specifically in its aggression even though I would say in the last 10 years you know, there's been a real ramping up of this in the last 10 years and especially

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With all the acronyms and and all the things and with children Being gender having gender confusion.

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That's something On such a broad scale very very new and so They never taught us that in seminary.

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They never taught us that how to deal with that, you know, they never They never talked about how to address that in biblical counseling classes, you know

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So number one, I would ask if you guys knew that any Resources to help equip the church with that And then to specifically how would your church deal with Say a same -sex person that says hey,

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I want to come to your church What what would how would you address? Those specific issues.

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So first of all question will be resources. They might know of any good resources. I Think I think that question kind of emphasizes where I was going with the unpreparedness because I'm sure there.

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I'm sure there may be some out there. I Can't think of any right off hand. And so that goes back to part of the unpreparedness as a whole

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That that we have because we don't I can't think of any really good resources out there that that help pastors leaders churches

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To and then you were going to you went straight to where I was gonna take it, you know What do we do when it comes to our front doors

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How The the parents that are in our churches that have children in public schools and then this the school system allows evil things in their curriculum

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Are we training our parents on how to respond to the school board in a

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Christian way in a Christian manner? Yeah, we're not having that conversation. We're not talking about those things

39:41

Business owners in our congregation. I mean, I think you brought that up earlier What did they do when they can't because of their convictions?

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Make a flower arrangement bake a cake Maybe you guys know some resources

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See I'm coming from a bit of a different background myself Having grown up in the midst of this when

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I was 14 my best friend was Was bisexual and it actually got to a point that he was committed for trying to kill himself and so this is something that I Know somewhat personally that I've seen the some of the ugly with this and so I'm coming up in the midst of it 24 this was

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I remember when it was just LGBT That was

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I can't I can't tell you what we called it in 1990. All right, and in the 80s And so there was a lot we didn't know then there was a lot that They didn't there wasn't all these resources in these books even when

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I was a teenager and so if you did find material on the subject of Transgenderism or homosexuality.

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It was more like an appendix at the back of something else and So I've done a little bit of digging into that in my teenage years and even somewhat recently

41:11

There was a good book by Sean McDowell called chasing love

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I'm chasing sex finding love. I think it was Talks a little bit about that but more about God's design as a whole

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And so I found some resources like that Rosaria, but Butterfield also has some material on this.

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She's actually a Former lesbian that got delivered from that lifestyle. And so she speaks from that experience and how

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God delivered her out of that So I know of those two off the top of my head.

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I Believe John Piper wrote something on sex and the sovereignty of God. I can't remember what it's called though Um, those are just off the top of my head

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I Wouldn't be recommending them. Yeah, because I'm not reviewed them, but okay probably

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Not the ones that you mentioned but probably Focus on the family or family life today ministries.

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They probably have written some material. I'll think about it But like I said, I've not reviewed them.

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So I don't know whether to commend them or not Maybe and then another hospital.

42:24

I'm sorry. Well another addition to my response earlier was this What happens when they come to your front door what happens when you this this issue comes to your business

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But then there's another aspect of the training and conversation that we could have to What happens when it comes to?

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when litigation is Brought because of it. How do we handle that as a church? How do we handle that as if it's happening in one of our church members

42:52

Yeah, there's there's so many things that we can and should be being prepared for It's kind of a repeat of what we saw with the pandemic in some ways when you had churches

43:03

Getting inordinate amounts of fines. Yeah for being open during that time I mean how many millions did the some of those churches in Canada rack up?

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Yeah for having church they got fined per member and went to went to jail And so then

43:20

I'm glad you brought that up because what I was gonna say Very short one of the one of the people that I think handle this are very well though it's not a resource that I can a book that I can promote is a

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I follow Ray Comfort and have for years and I Love how he shares the gospel with everybody.

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They don't make any difference who you are where you come from But also notice that whenever he shares the gospel he doesn't change it

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For a homosexual or for a heterosexual the gospel is still the gospel and I think in a lot of ways

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If we were to take that as a principle and a way to act I Haven't studied

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Other world religions to know that they're false if I can just you know tip my hand

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I don't I don't have Any kind of massive amounts of background knowledge on Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses or any or Buddhism or Confucius ism or Muslim or whatever.

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I don't I don't have a massive background of it, but I do know What they think about Jesus and they don't think he's

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God and that's enough right and and to some degree I don't think that and an abnormal amount of time should be spent learning lies whenever you already know the truth, and I know that that sounds like I'm being a

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Like I'm trying to pass it off as if it was not important I'm not trying to do that But one of the things that I think answers the question is

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The exact same thing that answers the question whenever you're dealing with somebody like me I was lost and on my way to hell and was straight as an arrow, but it didn't make any difference

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I was still going to hell because I didn't know the Lord right and the gospel saved me. I When a homosexual comes to church, we're in bad shape

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If that's a question that we don't know how to answer if we're going to treat that as if it's something there what are you doing whenever a wife beater shows up to your church or people who are

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Living sexually moral lifestyles outside of marriage. Do you treat them any differently you preach the gospel?

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You preach the gospel you pray you preach the gospel you pray preach the gospel you pray and And if Christ be the one who saves us then

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The amount of preparation we have from Material other than then scripture

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I Think we need to be careful Yeah Are we putting too much stock on other people and I'm not saying that any of the things that y 'all were talking about or Or brother

45:59

John's gonna bring up or bad I don't want I don't want to try to slight that but I do Caution moving forward that And I want to make a statement that I don't

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I wasn't insinuating Anything hateful when I said that these people are our mission. I mean that we're to preach the gospel to them

46:17

John you said it right. We don't wrestle with flesh and blood against principalities and powers and wicked places This that's our adversary, right?

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Our job is the same whether they lock us up for it whether they kill us for it whether they take everything we have for it.

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I Never read where Jesus said preach the gospel if you have the freedom to do so I did see

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I did hear him say or read him say pick up your cross and follow me and I think that I'm hopeful

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I'm hopeful because when I read scripture and I see that the enemy turns the heat up on the church

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I see the church purified and flourish. I see the church grow when the world puts its foot on the church

47:01

Our church grew during the pandemic. How about yours brother Tyler? Brother Jonathan Robert the

47:06

Josh church not grow during a pandemic Well, I was looking for a church when the pandemic hit so During the trains,

47:14

I mean he wasn't looking for a church for the pandemic Yeah, you bring on one worldwide pandemic brother. Tyler said I'm joining a church and it's gonna be a

47:20

Baptist church. I Wasn't I was in the same position as Tyler during the pandemic.

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I was exiting a church when all this went down. So That was that was a unique experience

47:32

I was trying to find a church in the that the peak of the pandemic But I did see churches that dead date grow.

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There was one church We were at that they actually reduced the size of their sanctuary in order to add more square footage for discipleship spaces

47:49

Wow Praise that they reduced their sanctuary by about 10 % You were saying something well,

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I was just gonna say that I was in the same position as Tyler the church that that we ended up choosing and going to They saw decline, but it wasn't just covered.

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It was several other factors that were involved. So so we we weren't the We weren't one of the ones that saw growth which which is okay because it you know it

48:23

God has a plan That's right You know moving each church differently in different ways sure and we learn learn from it

48:33

Earlier Jonathan you were want to take us somewhere. No, I just said the the gospel coalition has a lot of good

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Resources and a ton of articles on this specifically written by a lot of a lot of good people

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I think the issue is If you go into their current affairs they have one article specifically says 50 resources for equipping the church on homosexuality and same -sex marriage and so you know, so that's that's

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That's one that I've I've looked through and and I know that they screen their authors and writers pretty thoroughly

49:10

So it's good There's a way we can put that across the screen brother Robert So if somebody wanted to go to that website, they could what is it called?

49:18

I will work on that right now It's the gospel coalition 50 resources for equipping the church on homosexuality and same -sex marriage

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This was written. This was put together back in 2015 So that's what

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I'm saying is like Did it that's my point a second ago. This is a fairly

49:42

As far as an agenda You know in the last 10 years this has been highly accelerated as a result of an acceleration we have an increasing amount of people that are deceived

49:54

And it like Robert was saying I agree a hundred percent. The church is not countering that deception with truth because With with going back what you're saying

50:06

John The church has always been able to empathize with Drunks Because half the church were drunks

50:16

The the church has been able to empathize with adulterers because the church is full of adulterers

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The church has been able to empathize with with whatever kind of those what we might consider status quo sin

50:33

Because those in the church have dealt with that what we're up against though is is a culture of church

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That's never been tempted with the sin of homosexuality So therefore they don't know how to empathize with that.

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They don't know how to they don't know how to counsel that they don't know how to Address that and so I'm agreeing with you a hundred percent that that for sure

50:57

It is preach the gospel and pray and preach the gospel and pray there's also a

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Psychological Deterioration It's it's it's just like the people that are addicted to pornography, you know, the church that was from the 1980s or 1990s and back

51:20

Didn't have any clue how to address the issue of pornography and still today churches that are still stuck in the 70s that's still a taboo issue in the church, you know, because Those old -timers never had the

51:34

Internet So they had no idea How to deal with it, you know, so all I'm saying is there needs to be a level of equipping

51:42

To know how to empathize with that person and we can only speak truth

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When we know what lies told And so that's that's that's what we're learning

51:54

It's not necessarily learning the history or this or that the other but but if I'm gonna be able to expose truth

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I got to know what lie I'm addressing, you know, so so if a woman Looks at a magazine and the lies whispered in her ear if you don't look like this, you're ugly

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Well, I can confront that lie with you're beautifully and wonderfully made Sure mean

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I can I can confront I know what the lie is and now I can confront it with that truth So the church is not taking the time to learn

52:26

What lies? Individuals are believing and as they've not taken the time to learn those lies, they don't know what truth to pick up And so I think that's what's got to happen.

52:38

We have to learn that the lie and the lie has been I Can love whoever

52:45

I want to? The lie is this is natural. The lie is my feelings dictate my direction

52:54

So on and so forth does that make sense, I mean you could start creating that and then it's this in this whole generation

53:02

Falls prey to that faster and faster and faster to the point of There is no perseverance

53:09

There is no doing hard things if it's hard and it hurts. I'm not going to do it So I just said at home and live in mom and dad's basement, you know that that kind of scenario and and it's and it's it's the

53:22

Imperiating the culture at its fiber, you know in a lot of ways. So anyways, so that's my two cents on it

53:31

You know, I respect I respect your commentary as a pastor for how many years a long time 23 years that being said, you know, obviously

53:42

I don't have that that kind of experience So I wouldn't I wouldn't try to discredit any of that, right?

53:48

But I don't but I don't want to discredit what you said the preaching of the gospel is sufficient But what

53:55

I don't want it what I don't want to give people margin for is to say well I'll just preach the gospel and God sort of mouth

54:00

No, that's being cold and indifferent and I know that's not what you were saying. You're right I wasn't trying to say but you're also right about being cold

54:08

You don't want to be you don't be callous to the individual And you need to remember that every person that you're dealing with is an individual who has an individual struggle, right?

54:19

and You know you have what

54:24

I was saying earlier with trying to strike that balance you at the same time I think that We have to remember that this is all about Christ And we have to have some kind of way to Take a person where they're at to the cross and I don't know

54:46

That I have that I know I don't have the capacity to understand every lie that's out there, right?

54:51

And I don't know how you do that I don't know how you put that in practice I think I understand how the theory of what you're saying is

54:59

But I'm trying to think about how you how do you utilize that right? I mean It's kind of like understanding

55:06

Water pressure, but how do you how do you set your pump up, right? I mean, sometimes the theories are out there right brother

55:13

Robert, but you don't need to know the theory You need to know how to turn the pump on Pumps to run and and we're to put you know, your your regulators and things so that you don't blow pipes out downstream

55:27

While the theory the theory is totally relevant and the theory is the reason somebody understanding The theory is why the pumps are where they are

55:33

That's why the regulators are where they are and all of that stuff out this is run off the road, but some of that stuff need somebody needs to know it, but Not everybody is a civil or mechanical engineer and Most of them aren't the ones in the ditch with a shovel in her hand trying to find a leak and fix it, right?

55:54

So, how do we take the things that you're talking about and go to brother Ted down the road and say?

56:00

All right, brother Ted you pastors 75 people Averaging on a Sunday morning. You've yet to deal with this in your congregation because where you live at in the world and The day is coming

56:13

Whenever you're going to have to Here's what you can do being a being the majority of the leadership at the church.

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Here's what you can do Right now. What do you tell him very limited resources very limited personnel one man can't know it all right

56:31

So how do you put that in a practice? Pretty pretty straightforward

56:39

First of all and very lovingly a lot of us churches Put us in the category because we're this is our body.

56:47

This is our family. That's right. This is our Responsibility. This is us. We can't have a cane complex.

56:53

It says well, my my brother's keeper, you know, yes Yes, you are. I'm gonna get you and you're responsible for me.

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So those brothers man For here's the best example

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I can use for years The month of January was pro -life month

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Okay, and At least one Sunday out of the month would have sanctity of life

57:15

Sunday Okay, and we'd get up and I mean pound the pulpit about We're pro -life for pro -life for pro -life the sanctity of life

57:26

God's created in God's image speaking absolute truth truly being clear truth

57:33

But for years did not one single thing in the street to help anybody not choose abortion

57:38

Mmm, not a good it's not a thing and so So now the conviction is let's just don't be doer hearers of the word or preachers of the word

57:52

Let's be doers of the word. Let's walk the walk. I'll just talk the talk and so the church Decades on these on these heavy issues will pound the pulpit but yet not address the soul and And so that's some of what

58:12

Tyler was speaking of is is Did did this church do a good job in its early stages?

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When this person was saying hey, I'm struggling with this. I don't know. I don't know if they did a good job or not

58:26

I'm sure they told him the truth that this is wrong. This is sin That's easy.

58:34

That's the easy part. Yeah, I mean that that's that's beating the pulpit and just Say it

58:40

Well, every Joe Schmoe in the country does that? Yeah, the question is is the church willing to roll up our sleeves and And get in the ditch with someone to get in there and to walk with them

58:54

To unpack the lies that they've heard so there I've prayed that this would happen, but it's yet to happen

59:01

I've yet to see drug addicts that we've worked with That we lay hands on them and we pray over them and immediately

59:11

Immediately they lose all craving for joy and all of a sudden they are they're set up I believe in miracles and I believe

59:18

God can do it, but he's yet to do it in Our in our sense and the reason I say that is is they may have a season

59:26

That they that they find a healing they find a restoration the Lord does something but then before long their flesh kicks back up And then where's the church then?

59:37

That's my question like where's the walking out and the walking with so if we're going to say we're going to be pro -life

59:44

Then dadgum when that mom is standing there with the decision to be made and she's and she really is been has been told the

59:50

Lie that there's no other option either And there's moms that are facing this decision every day that either she has an abortion

59:58

Or she's kicked out of her house one or the other, you know, that's it. That's the only option she's got

01:00:04

So homeless and pregnant or have an abortion and you can move back home Yeah, so and then the church is in Sunday morning pound on the pulpit

01:00:14

But the church wasn't there on the sidewalk to tell that mom to say no. No, no, there's a different choice

01:00:19

There's a better choice. You can run to Christ and you can run to his church We'll guarantee you won't be homeless and we'll guarantee

01:00:26

That you won't have that baby won't have a need for nothing nor will you in the whole journey of this now come

01:00:32

Receive the blessings of Christ at the hands of his church now that we're seeing that we're seeing thousands of babies saved as we're as the

01:00:39

Church is on the sidewalk and as those things are happening Yeah So in a different sense, it's gonna have to be the same sense with the homosexual agenda when that individual walks in There's got to be an empathy.

01:00:50

There's got to be an understanding of the issue There's got to be some lies that are told so the Joe Schmoe down the road here my brother that that has no equipping

01:00:58

He does a good job pounding the pulpit Then my responsibility is to link arm and arm with him and say bro

01:01:04

This is something we need to get equipped on because this is this this is a reality now Look, I know some old -timer guys that they ain't gonna hear for it.

01:01:12

They go stand their pulpit pounders and and and They're they're they're not they're not going to counsel.

01:01:19

They're not going to they're not going to relate and I Can't do nothing about that The Lord has to deal with them in that but at the same time for those of us that do it

01:01:30

There we can't be without excuse, you know, so I think it's two separate issues really to some degree

01:01:35

One of them is we were talking about when they come to the church. What do you do? So I hear you

01:01:43

Your your approach is more proactive Let's let's keep that from coming to church by being there outside the church where they're at and I don't know

01:01:54

And I total agreement by the way total agreement not a single word. You said did I disagree with? But I still

01:02:01

I and maybe I'm maybe I'm just dumb I'm trying to think how you I Can understand that at an abortion clinic?

01:02:10

This is a this is a hub of where this activity is going on, right? It has to be done in these unique type of places.

01:02:16

So you have somewhere you can go There's a physical point that you can contact that you can be gathered around and you can and it's bottlenecked, right?

01:02:24

There you have it you have a front line right here life and death and this is the battle line

01:02:29

I Don't know that. I know where that is with this with this homosexual

01:02:35

They work said you get in the public school system right now Lincoln and I and and I'll speak to us

01:02:41

Tyler because those three are right in the same Let's go. Okay, Catawba County and Lincoln County Both school systems are played with this very issue.

01:02:53

I Mended the county school. Yeah, there's a tremendous deception on On on on these kids a tremendous deception being lied to them

01:03:07

There was a there was a young lady at a track meet last night and I won't say her name

01:03:13

But there was a young lady at the track meet last night. They called her name to come and run a race and Then she turns around and screams and says that's not my name and she called out a male name

01:03:26

They said I expect to be called this Then goes and races against the females.

01:03:31

And so that young lady is Confused. I mean there's a deception wife and he's gonna love her enough.

01:03:41

We need women of God That will love her enough to sit down and and and love her

01:03:47

We need we need the church not go to that young lady's Family and love them and speak truth to them and not just sit back and gossip about a young person that is

01:04:01

Being deceived by the wicked one. The church wants to sit over here and gossip about it, but we're supposed to be light and A Dread and go shine light in darkness

01:04:14

Expose expose the darkness and expel the darkness and be light And so so that's what I'm trying to say is it's it's not hard to find it

01:04:21

We just have to open your eyes and see you know, and I appreciate that because I mean I asked you I asked you pointed

01:04:26

That's a good answer. I like it. It's not it's not hard to find it bottlenecks. I mean, it's it's it's There's a good bit of that down in my neck of the woods, too

01:04:37

No, that's what I'm saying if you just go to any public school system That's okay.

01:04:44

So then Robert I got a question for you. What can I take a step? So, yeah, hold on to that question and I'll take a stab at this one so I think

01:04:53

I Don't think there was a whole lot of disconnect between what where you guys started John you were you were talking about the gospel as far

01:05:01

As the good news for justification and Jonathan was talking about the gospel application Confronting lies with truth.

01:05:08

And so I think it's very connected the conversation that you guys were having and then

01:05:14

You know, I love, you know, Jonathan's insight there and his encouragement for us and what to do and where to go

01:05:21

I Think I think one of the directions that we can go is is this

01:05:31

Instead of being people who Bring people to the church as I hear talk to the expert

01:05:41

Or, you know talk to the pastor, you know, we're to be training equipping the

01:05:47

Saints for the work of the ministry And so we're only there, you know several times a week but we're out every day of the week and we're to be going out and so While we're there

01:06:03

And we can we can target specific places like Jonathan was talking about and and and strategize and then work on those places

01:06:11

But but while we're out the places that we're going we need to be ready need to be prepared and available and trained for all the places that we go and And I think this would be a legitimate option as far as to show you guys give me your thoughts

01:06:30

But You think about time frame You may not have tomorrow.

01:06:37

So you want to confront truth? because There's a lot of people who can't have a civil conversation

01:06:46

With with somebody else even even being confronted Hostilely, you know

01:06:52

I'm saying and and maintain composure and have a civil conversation Not a whole lot of people can do that And so to to kind of work around that issue

01:07:06

I Think about time and Thomas precious time is short and we we don't know how much we have of it.

01:07:14

So Yes, we need to address it with truth, but I think we can do that by saying

01:07:21

You know you you're out where you are and you you're confronted with this situation

01:07:28

You know, I would say that you should be able to state where you stand and why you

01:07:34

You why you're there why you believe that in a loving way? But then because because you may not see them tomorrow, you know may not be here tomorrow

01:07:44

But at least they heard the truth but then beyond that Offer them your time

01:07:52

Yeah build a relationship Because you know this kind of truth is offensive and a lot of people will take it hostily and Will be offended and we'll know how to handle it and we'll know how to continue civilly in a conversation.

01:08:12

Yeah, and so I think Relationships Tear down those walls

01:08:19

So I kind of combine both of my convictions there. I don't want to leave

01:08:25

You know, I think truth is important. I don't believe in friendship of evangelism We got to become their friend first before we can share the gospel.

01:08:32

No We can share the gospel we can share truth and tell people where we stand. So this is where I stand

01:08:38

This is my conviction, but I want to have a relationship with you want to talk about it, you know Can we go from here?

01:08:44

Would you be willing to go from here? And I think that combines both of those efforts in a positive

01:08:50

I'm So what was the difference in legalism and Bible thumping? Mm -hmm and something that's compassionate and clear

01:09:01

There there is there's an obvious difference. Sure. And and and I Think that's on both sides of this issue both sides no matter where someone comes down whether Christian or not

01:09:16

Gay or not all those kind of things There has the the nullification of a compassion toward people

01:09:27

Has Has taken a forefront So therefore with a lack of compassion and understanding and seeing people as people now, we only see each other's enemies.

01:09:36

Yeah So so John just to throw one more thing out there going with what you were saying those of us that do

01:09:45

Grind at trying to discover truth in this We're going to be persecuted from both sides, you know,

01:09:52

I believe it well for us trying to evangelize In heinous sin

01:10:01

That's exactly what happened with Jesus. Yeah, he eats with sinners. He hangs out with tax collectors

01:10:07

How dare you know, so so there is that? The religious community will hate those that that love well and and and labor through that and then on the flip side

01:10:20

The the enemy's agenda will hate us as well. So So I think we need to be prepared for that too.

01:10:26

You know, I'm saying I agree wholeheartedly. I agree wholeheartedly. I was a

01:10:32

There's a question I was gonna ask I think for sake of time I'm not gonna ask it Because it's a big can of worms and I think that in a sense you might have

01:10:40

You might have cut to the quick of it without even knowing it brother Jonathan It Jonathan's good about doing that.

01:10:49

Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, he's an old dude who knows stuff So, I mean if you think about it

01:10:58

And by the way, I I really want to reiterate something that I know all you believe and all you're saying and I push on issues like this not because I Disagree but because I know that there's six people watching right now and Or is it a five?

01:11:18

That's a six That are watching right now, and I hope you know, brother

01:11:24

Tyler's rumble, you know Has 500 on this time tomorrow

01:11:30

And there's gonna be a couple there's gonna be a couple reactions. My reaction is And I've told y 'all this before, you know,

01:11:38

I Have to I have to crucify the flesh because I get angry whenever I see someone

01:11:47

Bullied or or belittled at the same time We can't

01:11:52

I can't fall victim to the trap that these folks have fallen victim of and that is both the

01:12:01

The murderer of the unborn and the advocate for the murderer of the unborn and for those who are in this homosexual agenda driven lifestyle and that is that they have taken the wonderful and Beautiful image that God has put on this earth.

01:12:19

That is his image and they've tarnished it and I can't in like manner

01:12:26

Come and rail against that Because God made them too and I have to honor that right?

01:12:34

So that's where I'm always at war in my own members if I can just be as brutally honest as I can because there's there's there's a part of me that is

01:12:46

I'm gonna say a man's man, I want to you know Grab a sword and go into battle sometimes and I have to I have to roll that back and say

01:12:57

You know, we're not fighting against flesh and blood you said it several times and and I have to I have to go to my prayer closet and I have to remind myself that These people are are enemies of God.

01:13:11

The Bible says they're enemies of God. All sinners are enemies of God according to Scripture, right? At the same time at the same time.

01:13:21

They are the mission field that we're to preach to They're the they're the field that's wide under harvest that we're supposed to be working in and We cannot fall victim to the trap of the enemy and become another tool.

01:13:35

He uses to destroy God's image on this earth Rather than that we ought to be

01:13:40

We ought to be laboring to use a terrible pun in this podcast to see those brought in brought under the saving knowledge of Christ and under the penance because while Destroying an enemy is is forever

01:13:59

Making a brother out of one is two and which one's better Which one which one makes more out of God's cross which one glorifies

01:14:06

Christ cross more seeing someone who is radically depraved brought under the saving knowledge of Christ and repentance and the everlasting life where he can

01:14:13

Where God can be glorified by his conversion and through his life and maybe through all those that he ministers to in the future and are

01:14:18

Or to see wrath shed out on somebody in a moment and then destroy and then that life come to an end tragic end

01:14:27

So I say this to to those that are why because I know y 'all feel the same way or unless I'm wrong, right?

01:14:33

But to those who are watching Temper your temper your zeal. I know that what's happened is horrendous and I'm not excusing one act

01:14:44

Nor am I condemning a church? Because I don't know whether or not they were loved they might have done everything, right they might have done every single thing brother

01:14:52

Jonathan's talking about his church and does and they do and Somebody decided to to wield the sword against him

01:15:00

We have a promise And we have a command We're not to fear the ones who have the power to destroy the body

01:15:06

But rather we're to fear the one who has the power to destroy both body and soul in hell. So This will cost you your life

01:15:13

Following Christ, but it's worth it And and that's just that's my heart.

01:15:19

My heart is that I get angry. I purposely don't watch the news We don't we didn't script any of this

01:15:25

But I told the fellas we started brother Jonathan had to fill me in on some of it And as he was talking I could feel my blood pressure rising

01:15:32

And if you noticed I didn't say anything when we first started because I know that it was gonna come out

01:15:38

Wrong. I knew it was gonna come out wrong Because I can't help it. I I'm an emotional man, believe it or not.

01:15:47

Yeah, but that's good though. It's a fruit of the spirit man That's self -control and knowing that about ourselves and listen to the

01:15:52

Holy Spirit when to hold our tongues because we are we're We're it goes back to what

01:15:57

Robert said a while ago if we all were reactive in all initial responses This would be a terrible world, you know, but but I think

01:16:06

Christians especially Ought to have that fruit of the spirit of self -control love and patience kindness goodness self -control like like I'm dying to this flesh this flesh.

01:16:20

I'm having to put it to death and crucify this flesh every day, sometimes every second, you know, and So it's great to acknowledge that and it's important and that's really what

01:16:31

I was pressing on pressing on to is What is the Christian response? To such events

01:16:37

To such agendas for those kind of stuff and and if I could answer my own question and then

01:16:43

Robert We probably should close out. We're getting late Our our response to that is to be still and know that I'm God to stay rooted in the truth

01:16:54

I'm not gonna let my feelings and emotions drive me. I Still have in my flesh an adulterer a murderer a thief

01:17:03

You know in in this in this Flesh that I am the things that I never want to do

01:17:10

It seems like I'm drawn to doing those things the things I want to do I can't seem to accomplish who will rescue me from this

01:17:17

Wretched man that I am and thanks be to God Jesus Christ Amen, and that's where we stand.

01:17:24

That's where we stand and we cling to Christ and the Holy Spirit Continues to sanctify and purge this flesh so that the life of Christ can be manifested in this mortal body

01:17:35

That's what I want people to see in us You know, that's what my plea is and that's what's my heart's desire and why why

01:17:42

I want to press on brothers to to grow and to think and to to stretch and in and that don't win a lot of popularity contests either but It's like I want to press people beyond the status quo

01:17:58

American Christianity because we're moved way beyond what would be considered status quo sinful life sense,

01:18:08

I mean that's There's no more of this little I mean, so this side's really ramped up over here with wickedness and Calling what is good evil and what is evil good?

01:18:20

It is ramped up in my lifetime significantly in the last 10 years

01:18:28

Exponentially across our nation and across the world Because the church is still just kind of hanging down here and we've not ramped up our equipping for truth lies are

01:18:40

Exponentially increasing the church is not responding with the same

01:18:45

Energy the same effort and and so that that's my conviction we talked about church

01:18:52

Revitalization all those kind of stuff. That's what I mean by that, you know, so I think we're all talking the same stuff guys.

01:18:58

It's good stuff tonight and and obviously won't cross glorified and we care about the souls Of people so that's the last comment.

01:19:04

I would say I hope nobody would Misinterpret what we've said tonight.

01:19:10

I'm sure somebody could take this video and make clips of it and you know, chop it up I Hope no one misunderstands that if there is a person that watches this and you're you you are

01:19:23

Homosexual lifestyle and and there's something in your heart that tells you this is not right

01:19:29

That is God speaking. That is God's design speaking in you crying out and we would love to have a conversation with you

01:19:37

We would love to share the good news of the gospel with you. And this is not some kind of weird

01:19:43

Reverse psychology or those kind of things it is what it is. Just like I was entrapped in the sin of lust of women

01:19:52

With Heterosexuality that can be just as equally as sinful as Homosexuality God speaks very claim to abstain from all sexual

01:20:03

Immorality, and so if that is you in your life tonight, there is hope for you that Christ loves you. He died for you

01:20:08

We love you. We will not shun you. We'd love to have a conversation with you Go have some coffee sometime go get some lunch.

01:20:15

We'd love to hear you out and and Share the good news of the gospel because there's a ton of stories out there of people that have been entrapped in this and That's why there's some tremendous high suicide rate

01:20:30

Let me address one lie if to this person that I hope is listening And I don't know why I feel led to just say this but I believe the

01:20:38

Lord's lead me to say it So I'm gonna say it one lie is if you follow this passion, it will make you happy We'll just simply look at the statistics and people are going to say well

01:20:49

There's a higher suicide rate among homosexuals because of the lack of acceptance It's not true the the higher suicide and depression rate is because you're going against God's design and Going against God's design.

01:21:03

You will never flourish. There will never be a satisfaction There will net this will never satisfy you no matter what you do will never bring

01:21:12

Peace to your life never and that's not because of Rejection that's because you're in contradiction to God's design

01:21:21

So what is God's will for you is to believe on Christ? to align yourself with him and that has nothing to do with your sexuality as Only to do with the right relationship with him and then in right relationship with him, then he will direct your path

01:21:34

He knows how to give you a relationship that is designed by him For his glory and there are those that will have no relationship

01:21:44

Designed by him for his glory because he's going to keep you to himself And so just know that there is hope the gospel of truth for you, and you're not stuck in this

01:21:53

Without hope so just know we love you, and I hope that that you'll listen to that tonight Reach out to us send us a message, and we'll be glad to talk with you yeah, and Let me say this too about what you just said

01:22:07

One of the one of the trigger words that I hear and it You know they believe in conversion therapy.

01:22:14

That's not what you just walk somebody through. That's not conversion therapy That's a conversation about love and If you reject it

01:22:25

You can reject it, and we love you on the other side of it Yeah, if you accept it.

01:22:31

We love you on the other side of that as well Yeah, that's that's the approach conversation

01:22:38

The and and this was with anybody any single person not just this particular sin, but any person you share it

01:22:47

And they reject it you still love them on the other side Tyler did you have any last thoughts and then

01:22:56

I'll give my last thoughts This is this is a hard Conversation and I am glad to be part of a group that can have those conversations and it not be bucking up in our pride or our antagonistic streaks, but it's just strip everything down and Just kind of bury each other's souls on this this is a hard conversation, but it's still a conversation that Needs to be had and it's not a conversation from the standpoint of we're gonna brown browbeat people into conformity but Like like Johnson said let's talk about love let me

01:23:43

Listening to you guys and wanting to respond Let me give my last thoughts and I'll try to do it as quickly as I can and then we'll share the gospel and pray

01:23:51

But I wanted to go to this one first. I want to respond to Anthony's quote here and and this made me think about how we should be careful about our language and how we use it and You know

01:24:06

No, we don't always need to be concerned about how People hear us.

01:24:12

But then again, yes, we do and how they interpret what we say So when we when we come out very strong like Jonathan was saying and bang the pulpit say this is demonic or this is a

01:24:22

Demonic agenda and we put that label on it People are hearing you're calling this person a demon that that's that's what they're hearing and And so thinking through this issue

01:24:37

We could be saying that This agenda is demonically influenced or we could just be simply saying this agenda is anti -anti

01:24:50

Christ anti -gospel and anything that is anti -christ anti -gospel is

01:24:57

Opposite of Christ is demonic That's all we could be saying but that's not what somebody's hearing.

01:25:02

They're they're hearing us say well, you're calling us demons We're possessed by demons

01:25:08

So I think we should be careful with the language that we use before we use it and and be tactful you know before we call something demon possessed or this is

01:25:20

Influenced by a demon. I think there should be some criteria that we we go through But uh, just just be careful about the language that we use

01:25:30

Because how it could be interpreted and Then the other thing that I wanted to say is something that we could think through because we are privileged to live in a country

01:25:41

Where we have freedoms And so and Jonathan brought it up early on and I was thinking about it as he brought it up There they have an agenda, but we as Christians also have an agenda and we live in a country where we can have agendas we can have thoughts we can convictions and we can have agendas and This group has agendas good, you know

01:26:06

You have the freedom in this country to have your agenda. And so do we and there's hostile groups on both sides but we live in a country where We should be getting along and be able to get along with each other and both of us have our you know

01:26:24

Our separate convictions our separate We were all able to think

01:26:31

Freely, we're all able to speak freely Without being hostile towards one another

01:26:38

Without being unloving towards one another. And so how do we Get to that point get back to that point.

01:26:45

We're living with our neighbor where we respect each other's freedom to think freedom to speak freedom to have their convictions freedom to have their agendas and Speak civilly about those things with one another instead of And get away from the hostility that these things drive people towards That would be a wonderful conversation to have how do we how do we get there?

01:27:16

And then the last thing in response to what the conversation that John and Jonathan you were having One of the best responses to this is to remember the gospel for ourselves

01:27:27

No, we don't have to be a woman to speak About abortion because we have we stand on the authority of the

01:27:33

Word of God We don't have to be a homosexual or formal homosexual to sympathize with somebody who is homosexual

01:27:40

Because we realize we we preach the gospel to ourselves. We know how filthy and wretched we are apart from Christ before God and so They we are no better.

01:27:55

I am no better than anybody else No better than anybody else. I'm just a filthy wretched sinner because I know the gospel and That's something good for us to remember when we approach a conversation approach a message approach an individual is that you're you're no better than them you're a sinner and You're not a above them in this conversation so something good to remember

01:28:28

All right, guys. I appreciate the conversation Appreciate your honesty appreciate your wisdom and gospel truth

01:28:35

And I want to praise God for his His salvation and his helping us and with that being said

01:28:45

Jonathan Would you mind sharing the gospel with us tonight and big John? Would you close us in prayer? The gospel is is a term that Was used the

01:28:59

New Testament translated in the original languages as the good news and The reason it's good news is because before we have good news we have to interpret the bad news and the bad news is this

01:29:12

We have all sinned And fallen very short of the glory of God last week if you if you listen to the podcast last week

01:29:20

When We went through going through the Old Testament going through the book of Leviticus speaking of God's holiness

01:29:27

There's an absolute demand to be holy as he is. Holy be perfect as he is perfect So now there's bad news all have sinned and fallen short of that.

01:29:36

So now there's condemnation upon the whole earth Because we have sinned against the

01:29:42

Holy God and his command is to be holy So what hope is there for us? Good news the gospel that Jesus Christ came and Paid for every one of our sins by his death on the cross and he rose again conquering

01:30:00

Death and hell and our sin conquering those things for the glory of God and for the good of man and so the good news tonight is that's

01:30:09

That's not just for some guys sitting on a podcast. The good news tonight is that's for you

01:30:14

That's that's for every person is that whosoever believes in him that means any

01:30:22

Homosexual that calls upon the name of the Lord. He'll save them any drunk out there tonight that calls upon the name of the

01:30:28

Lord He'll save you any addicted or afflicted you call upon Christ He will save you because he promises us in John chapter 6 that whoever comes to him

01:30:38

He won't turn him away And I'm so thankful for that tonight so to me that's good news because I was a sinner

01:30:45

I was hostile toward God I was Self -seeking a wicked man and God in his grace in my sin

01:30:53

Commended his love toward me that even while I was a sinner. He loved me Christ died for me and now my sin is forgiven.

01:31:02

So That's not any work of my own except that I have come to a place where The Holy Spirit drew me to believe upon Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior And his work on the cross and his resurrection was enough.

01:31:17

It was everything needed to be done in that to save me I know you may not understand all that.

01:31:22

I still don't understand all that but I know So we would plead with you tonight we had plead with you tonight call upon the name of the

01:31:31

Lord call out to Jesus You may not know how to pray. You may say I don't know how to pray Well, nobody knows how to pray you just talk

01:31:38

Okay, and you can call upon Christ and say I and and if there's something in you there

01:31:44

That's revealed you you need a Savior. Jesus has called upon me. So just ask him say Lord. I need a

01:31:49

Savior Call upon him and there's this wonderful beautiful miraculous thing that happens is

01:31:55

He says I'm here and I will so we plead with you to do that tonight. That's good news is for all of us

01:32:03

Mm -hmm Father we come to you in Jesus name Lord.

01:32:09

I thank you. I Thank you for the day that we've had. I Thank you for the good news.

01:32:16

I thank you for your cross and your resurrection There's so many things I had to be thankful for there's so many things we have to be thankful for Lord I come to you and I ask you just as plain as I know how

01:32:31

Let your grace be Poured out even harder the families that lost those in Nashville Yes, I pray that you minister to them where there are.

01:32:44

I Have no earthly idea How you're going to get the glory in the end for all this.

01:32:50

I trust you I Trust you and I know that you will I know that somehow or another

01:32:57

That all this is going to be for your glory. I Know it's all gonna be for our good because you've told us so I Believe in you.

01:33:07

I trust you. I love you Lord Such my brothers Here and there and elsewhere

01:33:15

Test the churches. I pray that your spirit can evict us To make us more like you.

01:33:21

Yes, and we share the gospel everywhere That our church is not just be a place that reacts

01:33:29

Terrible things sinful things, but our churches be a be a springboard for ministry

01:33:35

We have a promise to hail won't even be able to stand against it. Lord. Yes empower your church

01:33:43

Save the loss Receive glory for your word. It's in Jesus name. I pray Amen.

01:33:49

Amen. Amen Love you guys, and we love you. Thank you for watching labors podcast

01:33:54

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