The Laborers' Podcast- Asking Questions

Good evening. Welcome to the labor's podcast. We are thankful and grateful that you've joined us tonight. I Prepared for us to do numbers tonight. But there was a last-minute change and I'm thankful these guys are willing to make that change with me.

We're just gonna ask questions we're gonna have a candid conversation and We're gonna let the Holy Spirit lead and guide us and leading guide those who come to join us. If you have a question Please leave it in the comment section.

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Casual Conversation and Questions With the Laborers

So I'm gonna sit back just a little bit tonight and I'm gonna let you guys help me co-host tonight and ask questions. If you've thought of anything, I know it was really last minute that I made this change.

But if you guys have any questions for me for each other. If there's any text that you've been studying that you want to share. Talk about see what other brothers think about it. Um. What else I? Know we want to get into maybe some heavier Discussions in just a little bit, but maybe we can keep it a little bit lighter.

The theological questions that you've been thinking about. And don't forget ask us questions. If you're watching we want to have a conversation with you as well. So Anything come to mind? Anything come to mind that you want to ask.

What's your birthday. Robert. My birthday is November 2nd, and I was born in the year 1978. Man, you're old year, dude.

Starts aging this layer pretty quick. With your birthday, buddy, I was born December 12th, 1998.

Big John April 26.

So we got November December April and I'm January so January 15th 1979 so that means Robert is by far Far by just a couple months the.

Might I'd make sure to let her know.

Hey Tyler you'd be a favorite. Are you able to turn your mic up a little bit? Yeah, you're real look. So what kind of. Uh, what kind of traffic are you seeing on some of these? Series you're putting out Robert if you don't mind me asking on the on the truth and love and.

Mm-hmm. Sure. Um, I would love to see it would be great if we could get some more traffic on YouTube. I'm definitely not getting the traffic that that Tyler's been getting for the labors podcast, but he's been recently Streaming live on rumble on his rumble page and I'm thankful for that because he's been getting Some good views.

If not, if I'm not mistaken, it's been for the past 300 an episode. It's it's been something. Yeah, that's been really good. I would say after after I share the program, of course, I Don't dig down into the analytics and see how long the duration of how long people watch, you know.

But as far as when it says views we Several hundred. That's not something I keep in my memory bank. But I think we're doing okay, well good. How's everybody's Easter's Preparations coming to churches.

So my church we are we're a plant so we don't have our own building we we share a building with a Another church and we are actually getting together for a night of worship on this Sunday with about seven other churches.

I had a boy. Is it is your Presbyterian, right? I'm Presbyterian, but I'm in a Baptist family at a non-denominational church. So.

So What does a Presbyterian worship in a non-denominational church driven there by Baptist look like. Is there like some intense hand clapping? I mean, is it like do you?

Is there can you like. I mean, well, I have terrible rhythm. So if I start clapping We're gonna get off track here.

That's as light hearted as I know how to be brother Robert. We could ask about arm-wrestling or what is it brother? I'm Claude ask all-time whether you're a stand-ups or you're part of the meat fan who would win an arm-wrestling competition.

I mean, you know what? I don't know all them questions are. I'm curious if he's gonna put us to the test. Is that right on the conference? By the way Don't forget to register for our conference if you are available to come or if you're especially if you're local April 27th through 30th the labors podcast coming up.

We would love to see you there. The theme is all authority in heaven and on earth. We know that Jesus said that God had given him all authority in heaven on earth. So our lives need to reflect that and that's what each of our sessions are going to discuss different areas of our lives.

Where Jesus has authority and how we live that out. So and we're gonna have it online and our If everything works out Lord willing we're gonna have something unique. That I've not seen and this was pastor John's idea and I love it.

It's gonna be unique for a conference. I Think using the word play-by-play kind of Downplays a little bit. It's gonna be a little more sanctified than that. I believe but but we are going to broadcast live the main session speaker and We'll start it early and we'll have two of our laborers.

Be there to Be with you talk with you answer your questions in preparation for the sermon that's getting ready to come up and then after the summer sermon these two laborers will come back and give a little summary give their take on the message that they just heard and I've never seen that.

It's gonna be and it's gonna be Exclusively at the laborers conference 2023. Oh. So don't forget if you guys have any questions. Tonight's question night general chat candid conversation. Give stream your permission and ask us a question.

We'd love to try to attempt asking your question. Let's get into something a little bit a little bit heavier. Brother Jonathan you talked about it as we was getting on and I'm curious just to see how you gonna introduce it.

The Nashville School Shooting, Evil, and Political Exploitation

So Obviously this week we had a another school shooting. Tragic and In that event itself is is tragic as it is then there's then there's Rather than addressing Evil and good and right and wrong then all of a sudden it becomes it becomes a political platform in this case.

Specifically is becoming a political platform for not only gun laws. Regardless of your opinion of that. I don't think I wanted a gun or not on the gun is sinful. But it has now become a political platform and this specific instance for the LGBTQ plus people and because this was a transgender person that that that had ministered the shooting and And unfortunately lost their life in in the midst of this as well.

It spins on in through an a greater political issue where Tennessee took a very conservative stance Putting laws in that that protect children from Influences of the LGBTQ community without parental involvement.

That's how the country has been in the process is in a lot of ways. Children and different ones can call themselves different names and all this kind of stuff even without parental involvement or parental consent.

Tennessee was taking steps to to hinder that that parental consent is is required and Then it taken multiple other steps conservative direction to limit this so. So it to me it's just a very very tragic state that our country's in and in how how people would take the murder of nine-year-old kids and Turn around and use that for a political platform and to make political statement.

And and so it is it's really speaking to the greater issues of The the heart of our country and the sinfulness and the wickedness and the blindness to to what is evil and to what is good and You know, it's it's a shame it really is a shame and and it's cowardly to go to a School and it was a Christian school at a church and target children.

And so So I don't mind saying that I mean, it's not a popular statement, but it's cowardly. It's it's wicked. Yeah evil it's it's if you're gonna attack something then Be man-to-man about it for lack of better terms.

You know what I mean? Like like address adults address Doing that so So I'm saddened in my heart and there's a lot of outrage about it. And and then and then the other heavy part of it is it's going to continue.

It doesn't bring any unity it continues to. It continues to drive wedges and so I think we should also be alert that there is a very clear agenda That is Targeted in our country towards Towards Divisiveness even to the point now that like That there's a day of vengeance is what it's called in the LGBTQ community.

And there's all these kind of it's like a call for violence. It's a call for those kind of stuff and So Yeah, I think there should be an awareness and alertness going on about this and Careful watching not to live in fear at all.

But There's some crazy stuff going on in the country y 'all. I mean, it's it's it's crazy. So So, I don't know. I don't know how you guys feel about it. I mean like It's just on my heart and and that's an unprepared statement.

So something is.

But it's you know, one of the things I like about this this outfit is that You know the how the bonus the heart to mouth speaks right and Whenever your heart Your heart is focused on the things of God continually Things that are contrary.

You know, they grieve it and and it comes out, you know, I've always I've always thought about when you're working with somebody who says, you know who They start spilling cuss words out whenever they do something wrong, and then they look at you and realize oh, man I know he doesn't really approve of that kind of language and they start apologizing to you about it.

And I was like, that's I mean, I'd expect anything less. I Mean, you're you're acting the way that I expect you to act you're not and you're apologizing the wrong one as far as that goes but So brother Robert, how do you think that the I Don't want to give the I don't want to bait the question and I'm not good at interviewing I don't had experience you got.

So, how do you how do you think that this act? Committed tells the intentions or the motives of one of all the person who's done this heinous thing a sickening thing and How people respond to it, what does that say about their motives and what governs their heart.

I Think we see it. I Sure you can use anything you want. Yeah there it happens with every tragedy every mass shooting that People people who are passionate about it on either side come out and you can you you were able to see their reactions and how they How they talk how they talk with other people how they communicate?

Where their defenses are where their heart is and it they just they're just revealed. Yeah, and and so this this is gonna be no different. And and I've already seen, you know a little bit that I've seen of of reactions.

You know, I've already seen it. I've seen a video today of The brother in Christ him and his team or the folks that well brother Tyler, you you know him down there and it big SC and he goes to abortion clinic murder meal and They stand on ladders and Preach over fence exactly who you're talking about.

Yeah at the at the abortion meal and a Lot of times they'll have hecklers come around the fence to them video them confront them and they were recording that today. Well, they posted today. I don't know exactly what happened but it was recently because the conversation about this tragedy in Tennessee came up and And She was a clear volunteer for that clinic and she was a clear advocate for the LGBTQ community but she would not condemn the Taking of the innocent lives and I thought how tragic tragic that was a lot of people will want to Target The the LGBTQ side of this situation.

But I think I think we can broaden it and say that anyone That is willing to take another innocent human life. There there is something but because they'll say well and this is a totally different conversation, but they will say because of or their LG LGBTQ status, whatever whatever part they partake in that Is the cause of the psychological problem that they have which led to the shooting?

That's another question I'm gonna say in a broad sense everyone that Goes and takes innocent human life there. There's something that that's not Working correctly. Mm-hmm. Because that's It's just a horrible tragic evil thing to take the innocent life of somebody else and And I'm not I'm not a professional so I'm not going to label and diagnose What their issue is?

But just the fact that this is an evil act to take the life of innocent human being No matter their age whether they're pre-born or they're elderly and all in between. It's evil and number one. We know it's evil because God says it's evil.

We stand on his authority. We stand on the Word of God. So we're gonna claim that it's evil because of our Creator But also we should have respect for all human life for our neighbors no matter Their background no matter their religion color creed, whatever.

We should have respect and love love for one another But I'm not sure if I answered your question all the way.

Yeah Anthony Green just that posted a comment. Oh, you're way ahead of me here. He's fast.

So, uh, brother Tyler. Same question. I seen you stewing down there.

Repeat the question, please. What do you suppose?

What happened in Tennessee speaks to the motives behind The the individual and I'm not gonna say their name. I don't think you ought to give him any kind of attention, right, right then. What do you think these actions speak about the motives and as a follow-up or or the single question you answer both or whichever one you want.

What do you suppose those people who defended the person Who done this thing says about their motives? You're one of the big things we talk about here a lot and I like that about it is the acts always have a motivator and and that motivation Tells more about what goes on sometimes in the actual act.

Because most of the time The things are done, but go ahead. That is a loaded question that there there is honestly, there's a lot here. Um, honestly, there's a lot we don't know. I'm still on like an individual level.

We don't really know what was going on in this person's mind that day. There's a lot that we can gauge there's a lot that we can definitely speak to having knowledge of from God on The state of man state of our depravity but as an individual There's stuff we don't know we don't know his background we don't know What exactly led to this like we don't have the play-by-play of what led to this day.

We've got we know he's a former students. I forget if it's a he or she but that's um We know the person's a former students that they grew up in the school grew up in a Christian home and some have Made the assumption that it was a toxic Environments that this person was not received by their parents or the school or this church because of their persuasion And the way they identify themselves.

And so that's been one side has noted that that is why that is a there a sense of justifying This act is that there is a sense where the church has Not done their job that the church has done this person an injustice In the name of Christ, and I'm not trying to sweep anything under the rug, but these are definitely rational questions.

I Just lost my train of thought here it is a it's a hard scenario because We are people of truth we are people of the book and the book speaks very clearly about sin and the need to turn. But when we tell people that especially today in this cultural climate where truth is relative and Love means affirming who I say I am that's not always received well, and that has been labeled in recent years as unloving and So there is a very delicate balance with how do we love someone with truth?

Without Stepping over that line. Yeah, I don't I think that's definitely where Covenant Christian school is is did they love in truth? Did they love within those lines that they love as Christ loved? I don't think we know I don't think we know the intimate details of how this relationship played out.

Not that that excuses anything. But these definitely are rational questions for every local church as we navigate these issues. Because it's very easy to point the finger at all Transgenders that this is this isn't the problem a Tucker Carlson even said I think yesterday that Transgenders are the enemy of Christianity.

I do not think that's true. I think they are people made in God's image who are broken and sinful just like the rest of us and Regardless of how we want to tackle that They are They're people. Yeah, they're made in God's image just like the rest of us.

They still need the same Christ They need the same gospel and what that looks like to Put it before them Can be seen as unloving sometimes and I think we have to be very cautious as to is it unloving because the gospel Hurts or is it unloving because I'm making it hurt.

If that answers your question somewhat. That's that's where my head is kind of right now. I've seen just a little bit on that.

Just to just to clarify something. I don't I don't I can't speak for Tucker Carlson what he specifically meant but what I would press in on that is I would never say a Transgender person person or LGBTQ person is The end is the enemy to Christianity.

I would never say that because that's an individual and and and We don't wrestle against flesh and blood and those kind of things. What what I would argue though is there is an agenda that is being used the agenda of The enemy and the In expression on the extreme version when I say the left or the liberal especially in the extremes.

There's there's still some mainstream that are on either side of this that we still have healthy debate just like in this. You know in our family here with truth and love network and stuff I mean we have all kinds of different views theological views opinions things we grapple through and politics are the same, you know, there's There's on each side of the aisle of what we can serve considerable conservative and liberal.

There's still at the table with conversation. You know, I'm saying they're they're still working for the mainstream America, but in the extreme side of that there is definitely an agenda and and I have believed this for a long time that the the agenda of the LGBTQ community Will be what returns a higher level of persecution of Christians in America.

That will be the agenda that ushers That in because then it will become a hate crime, which it already is in other countries. It already is in the close by as candidates. It's a hate crime to preach Romans chapter 1 or 1st Corinthians chapter 6 or any of those.

It's a hate crime to do those kind of things. It would be considered a rate a hate crime or or a prejudice crime if as a Christian pastor a Homosexual couple comes to me and says I want you to marry us and I say no I'm not allowed to marry you even if my bylaws and Constitution of my church as my job.

Would say no then now they're going to have right and legal lawsuit Against churches and against pastors and those kind of things and so so that's not a scare tactic. That's that's very early. It's that's the agenda.

Yeah that is targeted toward Christians and so I would not say an individual is a transgender person, but I would definitely say the transgender agenda or the LGBTQ plus the ideology the ideology of it is Definitely an enemy to Christianity.

It is polar opposite just like what Robert was talking about a while ago the pro-choice agenda. Not a not an individual who's pro-choice that's willing to sit down across the table. He wrote threat to Christianity and individual but now the pro-choice agenda is Anti-christian it is a it is without without dragging us into eschatology.

It is the definition of an anti Christ Mentality it is the against the heart of Christ. It's against the design of God. So all of these other agendas. In broadening it all of these other agendas are the enemy of the Christianity agenda and and that really is They got glad you brought it up.

What is the conversation of what is really loving?

What is what is really loving in the midst of that, you know, so I think I thank you. Thank you for that. I think Anthony green for that. Yeah, well, I was gonna read John 10 10 is first thing I think of whenever these kinds of things happen.

The enemy or the thief come to steal kill and destroy. Some version said the enemy but it said the thief come only only It's huge word in there to steal kill and destroy and then Christ would Turn that on his head and say I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

So When I think about things like this, I think that Anthony hit the nail right on the head the enemy of the church is Satan because Everybody else honestly are who we've been called to minister to right when you read first Corinthians 6 You see this litany of people who aren't going to receive the kingdom of heaven or aren't and then Paul says such were some of you Right.

So this this is our mission field to some degree no to every degree to minister to everybody, but we would be we would definitely not be as wise as a serpent or as wise a serpent as harmless as a dove if we refuse to recognize the clear and present dangers that are present inside the room and in that whenever I see this Alphabet soup thing. I always get the letters wrong.

So I'm not gonna try it, right? I Don't call them a community with respect because they're a cult. They're an absolute cult. They have a leader. That leader is anything but Christ they are worshipping at this altar and and Frankly, they're they're not the only ones who fall victim to cult cultish practices, but this is a cult.

Would you I mean if you were to take? the The banner from the bottom of the news away and put up some foreign weird religious practice name underneath that you would have a hard time understanding the difference between them if you read in in the New Testament and you see all the horrible Terribly nasty because this is a I hope family related.

I'm not going to list exactly what all happens at some of these High places and groves that were going on that God had called the Greeks out of whenever he saved them, right? That's the same nonsense that's going on today Inside of this cult of people who have chosen something to worship Period they've chosen.

That's why I think you see them up in arms so much Whenever somebody comes against them. And then they and somebody comes against somebody of their group. They've come against in their eyes their brother or their sister or whatever if you can't have if you have I don't know man I don't know that you can even say that in their group without without offending somebody but the the point is The agenda of the enemy has been singular since the garden.

Whenever he entered into the garden He went against the weakest person in the garden Which was Eve. The Bible says that we're to honor the females the weaker of the two sexes, right? The fair sex is weaker and Adams job was to protect her and to rule over the garden and As he drops the ball We see the fall.

I didn't mean to make that rhyme y 'all so in any case I Still see the enemy attacking the weakest among us children women people who aren't Able to speak for themselves whether they be in the womb or whether they be like in Iceland I believe it is and I might be wrong.

I'm not gonna say the country somebody wrong, but I was reading an article about 10 years ago where euthanasia had become prevalent amongst people with chromosomal diseases like Down syndrome or or some other forms of Genetic defects and they claimed they cured Down syndrome overnight just because they killed everybody who had it.

You know in a kingdom vows that they will be 100 free of Down syndrome and autism by 2035 because of euthanasia and abortion.

So I think that what you see is as you see a clear you you said a minute ago brother Jonathan. You so, you know, why don't they come against one a man come against a man? If you've got a real problem and you really want to see see some kind of action about it.

Somebody who can fight for themselves and you don't see that.

You don't see that. Let me know one thing that Tyler said earlier or sorry John you done. No, no you go ahead. Yeah, I've said let me affirm one thing that Tyler said a while ago there, too. He was talking about you know a person that's entrapped and deceived by Santa.

That's where we do have empathy on the individual. I think that's very important as we address these things because again, we can all get up in arms very easily. Agendas and and they do too. I mean, that's that's we have an agenda.

We have a very clear agenda as a people of the book. God gives us Usher in and to live in the kingdom of God in those things. So so we have an agenda they do too. But we should have empathy for a person that has been deceived.

We should have empathy for a person that's fallen pray To that and then where persecution will come to us is when we're ministering to individuals the truth and. Then what happens when people hear the truth if they really hear the truth.

Which is the most loving thing we can do we can say it lovingly. Say it compassionately, but we can't water down the truth. Say the truth and the truth the gospel does one of two things and we have to remember Gospel does one of two things in my opinion.

It it either draws them or drives them if the gospel is really presented in the clear manner that it should be. It should never leave anyone neutral at choose this day whom you serve and they will either Serve one master or serve another they'll respond and serve Christ or they'll fall deeper into serving a worldly master.

But we should have compassion on that Individual we should be brokenhearted over that. But what we fight in in the agenda is represented what our brothers said here earlier. It's a demonic agenda and we're fighting not against flesh and blood but these principalities of in high places and darkness.

It is it is that agenda? So Robert? I got a question for you. So as we deal with this What is the proper Christian response? When when we when we know abortion meals are killing thousands of kids. Every day when we know.

There's shootings going in in schools nine-year-old kids being shot up by guns and you know in a by by not just guns. But by wicked people rather, you know with guns. What is the proper Christian response.

To address these kind of things.

Well, first of all and I was thinking about this earlier and so beyond that I'm gonna have to think through a little bit more. I Think the the first proper response pastorally for the church for Christians is that we we need to Get back to where we should have been where we should have started because we are not.

We are reactionary. We are reactionary instead of being prepared and so we as. We as churches we as as leaders as pastors we need to Finally get to where we should be already. We we should have been prepared ourselves.

We should have been preparing our people but but we haven't and so Everything is reactionary and then that goes back to the conversations, you know, John that you were talking about earlier. Things things get heated things things are said that they shouldn't be said because we're not prepared.

Yeah, and we've we've not been preparing ourselves because we know. We know the agendas. We know the agenda of Satan. We know the agenda of the world. We we know about about all these agendas. We know the truth of God, but we're not preparing ourselves to meet with people respond to people.

How to communicate these issues with people. And I think we're just so unprepared and we're solely reactionary. So that would be my first Angle at this is getting to a place where we are preparing ourselves.

Yeah, what's out there to help us prepare to to address or have conversation. For you and I with with with the ministries we're in and the things. You know the abortion abolitionist movement and pro-life movements and those kind of things.

We're very connected it'd be easy for you and I to to Speak plainly and address those issues, but but but no one when you're talking about being prepared I find very few churches that are prepared to address The same-sex agenda.

They're willing to slam on the pulpit and pull up passages of scripture and shake a finger. So what do you guys know of any good resources out there? That really speak to this issue specifically because really and truthfully if you think about this this specific issue Is very raw in its in its In its being in its agenda being pushed forward specifically.

It's been around but specifically in its aggression even though I would say in the last 10 years you know, there's been a real ramping up of of this in the last 10 years and especially. With all the acronyms and and all the things and with children.

Being gender having gender confusion. That's something. On such a broad scale very very new and so They never taught us that in seminary. They never taught us that how to deal with that, you know, they never.

They never talked about how to address that in biblical counseling classes, you know. So number one, I would ask if you guys knew that any Resources to help equip the church with that. And then to specifically how would your church deal with.

Say a same-sex person that says hey, I want to come to your church. What what would how would you address? Those specific issues. So first of all question will be resources. Anybody know of any good resources.

I Think I think that question.

Kind of emphasizes where I was going with the unpreparedness because I'm sure there. I'm sure there may be some out there. I Can't think of any right off hand and so that goes back to part of the unpreparedness as a whole.

That that we have because we don't. I can't think of any really good resources out there that that help pastors leaders churches. To and then you were going to you went straight to where I was gonna take it, you know.

What do we do when it comes to our front doors. How. The the parents that are in our churches that have children in public schools and then this the school system allows evil things in their curriculum.

Are we training our parents on how to respond to the school board in a Christian way in a Christian manner? Yeah, we're not having that conversation. We're not talking about those things. Business owners in our congregation.

I mean, I think you brought that up earlier. What did they do when they can't because of their convictions? Make a flower arrangement bake a cake. Maybe you guys know some resources.

See I'm coming from a bit of a different background myself Having grown up in the midst of this. When I was 14 my best friend was Was bisexual and it actually got to a point that he was committed for trying to kill himself and so this is something that I Know somewhat personally that I've seen the some of the ugly with this and so I'm coming up in the midst of it.

I'm 24. This was I remember when it was just LGBT.

That was I can't I can't tell you what we called it in 1990. All right, and in the 80s.

And so there was a lot we didn't know then there was a lot that. They didn't there wasn't all these resources in these books even when I was a teenager and so if you did find material on the subject of Transgenderism or homosexuality it was more like an appendix at the back of something else.

And so I've done a little bit of digging into that in my teenage years and even somewhat recently. There was a good book by Sean McDowell called chasing love. I'm chasing sex finding love. I think it was Talks a little bit about that but more about God's design as a whole.

And so I found some resources like that Rosaria, but Butterfield also has some material on this. She's actually a Former lesbian that got delivered from that lifestyle. And so she speaks from that experience and how God delivered her out of that.

And so I know of those two off the top of my head. I Believe John Piper wrote something on sex and the sovereignty of God. I can't remember what it's called though. Um, those are just off the top of my head I.

Wouldn't be recommending them just because I'm not reviewed them. But okay, probably Not the ones that you mentioned but probably Focus on the family or family life today ministries. They probably have written some material.

I'll think about it. But like I said, I've not reviewed them. So I don't know whether to commend them or not. Maybe and then another hospital. I'm sorry. Well another addition to my response earlier was this.

What happens when they come to your front door. What happens when you this this issue comes to your business. But then there's another aspect of the training and conversation that we could have to. What happens when it comes to?

When litigation is Brought because of it. How do we handle that as a church? How do we handle that as if it's happening to one of our church members. Yeah, there's there's so many things that we can it should be being prepared for.

It's kind of a repeat of what we saw with the pandemic in some ways when you had churches. Getting inordinate amounts of fines. Yeah for being open during that time. I mean how many millions did the some of those churches in Canada rack up?