Are Stay At Home Dads Worse Than Unbelievers?

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Welcome to Bible Bash, where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry by answering the questions you're not allowed to ask. We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we'll answer the age-old question, are stay-at-home dads worse than unbelievers?

Now, as we kick this episode off, Tim, what Bible verses or what Bible passage do you have to help prime us for this conversation?

I mean, the obvious Bible passage is 1 Timothy 5 -8, which says that if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

So, let's go with that.

All right, well, you know, I think that's a good place to wrap up the episode, Tim. So, you know, hey, we appreciate all the support that you guys give to us. You know, we were joking right before we started recording.

Hey, I'm cool with it, man. We can end it now. Just wrap it up.

That's all we need. You know, I can't say it better than Paul did, man. So, you know, I've got some other things I've got to go do after this. So, no, we were joking. We were joking before we started recording, and I was basically telling Tim, you know, it's crazy how the Bible just says this.

Like, this isn't like a a lot of times people think that when we're doing these episodes, we're trying to do these sort of like gotcha questions or, you know, something that's like this loaded kind of question that we don't actually mean.

You know, we're just doing it to try to, you know, stir people up to rage and bitterness or something.

That's people's response in a lot of different cases. Like, I mean, people generally think that for some reason. I mean, I think people are hostile to the things that we're saying. They typically generally go there.

They think that the point of our titles is just to tick people off or something along those lines. But, I mean, the point is just to ask like legitimate questions that people don't want to hear.

Right, and it's like this is a very obvious example of that where it's like you can I mean, you can accuse us of that if you'd like, but then it's like I mean, it's just a Bible verse that this question is coming from.

And it's in my mind, I mean, it just totally blows my mind. I guess I should be ashamed that it still blows my mind that I'm still giving people this much credit. But it just blows my mind that the Bible can be so absolutely, unequivocally clear on a certain point, and then people will still get mad about it.

And they'll accuse you of like, hey, you're just trying to stir people up. And it's like, man, just think about how mad you're going to be when you realize that we actually mean these things.

You know? There's yeah, I mean, there's a lot of times where people like this happens a lot in what I'm preaching in general, where so there's a couple things that are going on here. But one of the things that's going on is I mean, that does happen to me on a regular basis when I'm preaching is I'll just quote a Bible verse, but then often when I'm quoting Bible verses, I kind of paraphrase them.

Or just saying them loosely, I might like, you know, 1 Timothy 5 .8 says blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'll say something along those lines where I'm just kind of paraphrasing a Bible verse. And what generally happens is like I'll have someone come up to me after the service like just very concerned and very confused, wondering, you know, why I just said what I just said, you know?

So like an example of that would be just like, you know, at some point in my preaching ministry I made an offhanded comment that, you know, women are the weaker vessel, right? Yeah. Stuff like that. Then I had a church member come up to me after the service and, you know, why would you say that?

Why are you saying that women are the weaker vessel? I was like, well, I'm just quoting the Bible here. Let me pull it out and show you where I'm quoting it, right? Like this is just a Bible. So I think sometimes like people, what's happening with these kind of things is people don't, they really don't understand.

Like they're just so ignorant of what the Bible says that they just have no category for the way that the Bible speaks. So part of it's that, you know, part of it is that people have become so familiar with the Bible too, like in the opposite way.

Meaning like you listen to a Bible phrase and people kind of, it's not that they're familiar with it. They just do a weird kind of Charlie Brown thing where like they hear the words that are coming out, but they don't process them as like real words, right?

It's like, yep, I read that Bible verse that is in the Bible anyway.

So that's all that happens. So then, but then like this kind of thing happens with Jesus where, you know, he's talking to the Pharisees where he's saying, you brood of vipers who warns you to flee from the wrath to come.

Something like that to where they'll hear those and they'll say, okay, those are Bible words, but they don't process what just happened in that moment. Like where Jesus was standing in front of like people and calling them brood of vipers, right?

So they won't process like how offensive that was like by modern standards. And it doesn't kind of dawn on them that like the Bible just doesn't share their standards at all, right? Like the Bible just has like a completely and totally different standard of communication than what they're realizing.

And then, so when you're thinking of something like, you know, if anyone doesn't provide for members of his own household, he has denied the faith and he's worse than unbeliever. We're so used to hearing that.

Like there's people who have never heard that before, but then the people who have like, just they're trained to have Bible impulses where they just don't recognize what's being said. So it just kind of goes out their brain.

They don't know what to do with it. Right. It's just like ignore, you know, whatever. But then it's just like, there's so many things in that that are just so counterintuitive to the way that we expect to communicate and the way that we, like our expectations for what is appropriate communication and our expectations of like what we should be saying in general.

So, I mean, like the whole, like, for example, like the idea of saying that someone is worse than an unbeliever, that would be communicating that unbelievers are bad. But we're not really, are we allowed to, are we allowed to acknowledge that unbelievers are like wretched people to be around?

No, you can't say that, Tim. Are you allowed to say that they're like pitiable people that are just, like just awful people? Like, you know, so like it doesn't.

No, no, Tim, because I want to love people like Jesus loved people. All right.

So then think about that. So like, if you love people like Jesus loves people in people's minds, they think that what it means to love people is to affirm them. Yeah. And so you have to affirm all like every like, you know, letter in the LGBT, you know, for instance, alphabet as like special and unique and whatever else you can't call them like awful contemptible people.

Right. You can't say that about them. You can't say worse than an unbeliever as if unbelievers are bad, like as if they're not just like us and just normal, you know, but then like you look at like our Twitter line when we, when we made this poll and I mean, there's just like the scum of the earth, like the literal scum of the earth.

Like, I mean, there's like, like disgusting things being said.

Yeah. I mean, it's just awful, like awful, like wretched people like coming out of the woodworks to, you know, just absolutely like people can't even, like they have no reading comprehension ability, like no understanding of logic, no nothing, you know, and they're engaged in all this depravity and like the way that they communicate, the way they talk.

I mean, it's just like, these are wretched people that you would not want to be around, you know, in real life. Like they're just filled with malice and hate and, you know, all manner of wickedness and all manner of evil.

So, you know, part of it is this Paul saying that if a person doesn't provide for his household, he's worse than that. Right. So that, that hits people weird. Like if they, if they could, if they could actually hear what's being said, like it should hit them pretty weird.

Right. Like that should make them pretty weird. But then like the other thing that's really people don't realize what's happening here, like with the way their expectations is, you know, I do a poll. I can't do a poll on Twitter where I simply say our stay at home.

Dad's worse than unbelievers. Have they denied the faith and worse than unbelievers. I can't even do that because there's this expectation in literally everyone's mind, even the solid people that I need to qualify that statement to death.

Right. Yeah. So I can't make, I can't just say it like Paul, like even the solid people, you know, like, you know, and if you're listening to our podcast and you're one of the solid people that just, just take this one, you know, like, like we should be able to generalize as much as Paul generalizes.

Okay. And Paul really generalized. Right. I mean, that's a, that's a generalization. Right.

Yeah. There were no, what about in the Bible?

And he feels no need whatsoever to say, Hey, yeah, you know what guys, when I said that, you know, I wasn't talking about, you know, James over there who just got his legs cut off because he was a Christian martyr, you know, and he can't go back to his carpentry job anymore or stuff like that.

You know, I mean, obviously he's cool, man. You know, I'm not talking about him. I'm just talking about in general, you know, like, like he does, like, you know Paul feels no need to do that. Right. Right.

He feels no need to, he, he, he knows like, he, like, he expects people to understand exactly what he's saying and to not like qualify the thing endlessly to death, you know? And so like online, we did a poll on this and I mean, I had to qualify it to death, you know, just to keep from having the comments, the comment sections, you know, filled up with the one in 1 million kind of example of, you know, the poor guy who went to, you know, the vet who got his leg blown off, or, you know, the guy who just got unrighteously fired and is now looking for a job, you know, for his faith or something like that.

Or, you know, I mean all these kinds of like the man who like, you shouldn't even have to talk about the man who was widowed, who is widowed, right. Who is a stay at home dad or something like that, because like the whole category of a stay at home dad is that is a man who lets his wife work while he goes and, you know, plays the domestic role that she should be playing.

That's the very definition. So I mean, it's pretty funny. I did a poll on that and I just put that definition underneath it. And just people didn't even read the thing, you know, but, but I mean, it's just like, no, we're not talking about all those things.

We're talking about the man who refuses to go to work. That's what we're talking about. Like the man who refuses to go to work and instead of him going to work to provide, he's going to let his wife be the provider and he's going to be the domestic person.

So, you know, we shouldn't have to provide those kinds of qualifications. Paul doesn't provide those kinds of qualifications, but I mean, it seems to me that that's exactly what Paul's talking about. Like that kind of situation in general.

I mean, I'm not saying he's that's, the exact situation that he has in mind, but that's a very direct application of that kind of principle, obviously.

Right. So talking in talking about all of the, you know, people demand endless qualifications and whatnot, just, just for, just to even like entertain your simple question about things. And then, you know, on top of that, they don't even read it.

I, and I, and they, they obviously didn't, because there were a lot of people who, who were coming up and basically saying like, you know, well, what about the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah guy, you know, who has a job where he works from home?

It's like, well,.

Did you read the qualification? Where is it? I'm not talking about the guy who,.

Who worked from home. We addressed that. Did you not, did you not read that part? You know? And, and like the qualifications, it's like, it, it doesn't really seem like it's that beneficial anyway. Yeah.

Cause people don't even pay attention to it half the time, but then, you know, in, in talking about that, it might be helpful for us here to define what are we talking about with a stay at home dad? What, what do we actually mean?

You know, so you mentioned like, it's not this, you know, it's not the, or you implied, it's not the guy who got his leg blown off serving our country. It's not the guy who got fired for his faith. It's not the guy who has a job where he works from home.

Right. So what, what is the stay at home dad? Yeah. I mean,.

I just did a simple brave search on this and I put this on the online, but you know, a stay at home dad is a father who is the primary caregiver of their children and is generally the homemaker of the household.

Okay. So stay at home dad is a father who is the, I'll read that again, is the primary caregiver of their children and generally the homemaker of the household. And then in this quote, it says the female equivalent is the stay at home mom or housewife, right?

So it's a male housewife, right? That's what we're talking about.

Male housewife, man, mom, right? Or, or as Lone Star put it, Mr. Mom,.

Mr. Mom, you know, and then the quote says as families have evolved, the practice of being a stay at home dad has become more common and socially acceptable. According to urban dictionary, stay at home dads are usually people who have failed at other manly pursuits, lack any real skills or expertise.

Oh, I wasn't, I wasn't prepared for that.

I put it all on there, man. Like I put it all on there. I even put the urban dictionary part of it, you know, just to help people lacks any skills or expertise. I mean, but it is, I mean, I, I, you know, it is the classic, you know, guy who sits staying at home, you know, playing video games and that kind of thing, you know, so that's, that's what it's talking about.

Like the classic dad who's staying at home, playing video games and you know, barely watching the kids, you know, basically just gets everything done real quick so that he can, you know, do his own thing and all that.

So,.

A guy who's failed at other manly pursuits. Yeah, that's, that's pretty good. You know, it, as a side note, you were, you were talking about what, what should we call this instead of stay at home dads and one of the options was man, mom, man, mom, people were voting on, should we, should we call it, should we call them man moms?

And my response, I, I liked that because you know, it's, it's alliteration, you know, it's short, it's you, you remember it easily. But then the thing that I didn't like about it, there's one thing I didn't like about it.

And that was the fact that, you know, if you use a term like that, you're implying that there's still men.

All of them. Yeah. All of them are a little bit awkward. I was trying to get people to vote on like the best replacement for this. I mean, I really like transgender role ism, you know, even though it's a mouthful, like I really liked that because it's, you know, like, like a transgender person is obviously like a man, you know, if you were to think about it like a man, trans, you know,.

Quote unquote transgender, a transgender transitioning to, to be a woman.

Yeah. It's a man who's basically like pretending to be a woman. Right. Yeah. So, but then like the same thing is functionally happening with like the stay at home. Dad is a man, right. Yeah. Who is like transgender role, right?

Like transgender role is a meaning like he, like he's taking on the roles of a woman. So like, it's just, it's the same kind of idea, you know, is, you know, you, instead of him pretending to be a woman, he's pretending to take on the roles of a woman essentially.

Right. Right. So I think I was asking, or I was talking to Conley about it cause we had him on last week. I was asking him for suggestions. And so he was talking to chat GPT about it. And he couldn't get chat, chat GPT to come up with like derogatory names, you know, for it.

But he was trying to get chat GPT to come up with like names that had like a Greek root or whatever. And it came up with like, basically so like house house father, but he couldn't, it couldn't get him to, he couldn't get it to do anything derogatory, you know, like he failed at that, but you know, so, but I, I think, yeah, I mean, this is like when you actually kind of have to think about what's going on here, but you know, a lot of people were a little bit surprised that we're bringing it up because they didn't make, they didn't have any experience with this.

And but then, you know, I have a job that I, you know, go into customers' homes all the time. And this is just a thing that's like on the rise where like the standard guy who is, is like a man, mom, like, he's just, he's like a gamer addict kind of guy who's just worthless.

You know, like, I just went into one of these guys' homes like last week, you know, and like I come to the house to do some, you know, do my job there. And he's, he's sitting there in his pajama pants with his shirt off when I walk in, you know, like waking up, you know, barely awake, you know, half asleep.

And then, you know, I'm doing work for his house, like in order to like, do work on his, his video game area, you know? So like that's the standard guy, but you know, a lot of people they just don't realize that this is actually like a real big problem right now.

And, and Christians don't really have a whole lot of answers to this, but just some stats, stats that I posted about this too. Like according to Pew Research Center, an estimated 2 .1 million fathers were stay-at-home dads in 2021.

So 2 .1 million. Yeah. Wow. That's up like 8 essentially since 1989. So this is on the rise, but the, you know, it, it, it basically says like there's, there's different categories of this. Okay. So like the stay-at-home fathers tend to be older than stay-at-home mothers.

So that may explain why so many are at home due to illness or disability, but then like, this isn't always true though. So you have like the older kind of type of stay-at-home dad, but then you also have like, you know, and this is, this number number is kind of startling like in post COVID world, about 14 of dads with young children.

So here, here this 14 of dads with young children are out of the workforce, not actively looking for a job and taking care of the kids full-time. Wow. 14%, 14 like that. Now that. That's like a staggering number.

Yes. Now pre COVID that number was in the one to 5 range. And now. Are you serious? Yes. So post COVID 14 of dads with young children. So think about with young children, right? Stay-at-home. Young children are, you know, they're out of the workforce.

So like you have the other category, like, which isn't related to this as much of like the older guy, who's probably taking like a stay-at-home mom with the teenage kids or something like that. Right.

You know, maybe he's like, you know, I think that kind of dad is like the depressed kind of dad who has his mental illnesses or, you know, all of his mental illnesses, excuses. And you have like a two income family at some point, he just kind of gives up.

Right. And let's the wife take care of it. And then they realize that, you know, surprise, they can live off of one income, you know? And then he just kind of crawls up on a ball. He doesn't feel appreciated as work and, you know, you know, feels depressed and she just kind of takes it on.

And then he just, you know, gives himself over to entertainment or something like that. But, you know, this 14 of dads with young children are out of the workforce, not actively looking for a job and taking care of the kids full time.

And that's just shocking. That's shocking. Particularly when it's with young kids, like what we're talking about. So like, it's the real problem. And, you know, you look at our, you know, Twitter feed recently and you'll realize that Christians don't know how to respond to this, this one for sure.

So, so you mentioned, you read, what was that? First Timothy 5 .8. Is that what it was? You read that at the beginning of the episode. And, you know, we jokingly wrapped it up there because it seems pretty clear.

But then, you know, if we were to indulge people who might still have questions, they're not persuaded by the Bible verse, you know, how do we know that, that Paul there is talking about the guy who is trading, you know, the quote unquote traditional, you know, husband role of being the financial provider for the family.

How do we, how do we know that he's, how do we know that he's the man, you know, the man mom?

Yeah, he technically isn't like the man mom, but then, so, so part of what's happening here is you have like, you have a different series of passages that you can talk through as you're thinking about this kind of question in general.

So like meaning like this, this kind of passage is basically just saying it's a man's job to be a provider. So that's what it's saying. So it's a man's job to take on the role of being a provider, but then you have, like, so part of it is like, all right, step one, man's job to take, take over the role of provider.

But then step two is like, well, what is the woman's role, right? So what is a woman's role? Well, you know, Titus two says, the older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine.

They are to teach what is good and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind and submissive to their own husbands. So you think about like a woman's role, that working at home phrase.

I had a lady once arguing with me about that, like the working at home phrase, like saying, well, they just happened to be working at home during that time. Right? They just happened to be working at home.

So maybe now they're not working at home. Now they're in the workforce. The problem is, it's a compound word in the Greek that basically means to be domestic. So, I mean, that's like what the Bible is calling women to do is to be domestic.

Like that's what they're called to do. So, you know, Titus two talks about that. You know, first Timothy five later on in the passage, like the same one we're reading, a man doesn't provide for his own household, enrolled relatives.

He's denied the faith and worse than unbeliever. In that same passage, she's saying, so I'd have the younger widows marry their children, manage their household and give the adversary no occasion for slander.

So like in that passage, like that's talking about the woman's side of it. The woman's side of it is to be like, to manage your own household, to be a worker at home. Right? Paul saying a man's job is to be a provider.

Now, I mean, I think it's, I think it's like obvious that in a agrarian society, you know, during Paul's day, you wouldn't have a man who would leave the home for 50 hours or whatever, leave the wife at the home to fend for herself.

So there's unique problems that we have for living for our society. But like the real issue is that there's a role designed for a woman and, you know, there are roles designed for men, you know, so men are designed to like subdue the earth, right?

That's why they're made so strong, right? Because they're designed to like Adam's curse was that the ground would like the work of the ground would be harder because he's made to work the ground. Whereas the woman is made to care for children, right?

To be domestic, to manage your own household. That's why the Proverbs 31 woman, like her, like you think about like what she does, it's just all the standard women stuff. Like, you know, cooking and caring for her household, making clothes for the household, you know, like so that they're not afraid of the winter providing food, right?

She rises early and her lamp doesn't go out at night because she's providing food for her household. So I mean, like the Proverbs 31 woman is doing largely all the domestic stuff that everyone, you know, hates.

And Titus 2, 1 Timothy 5 are basically just reinforcing this point that a woman has a job. So like you have a woman has a job and you have a man who has a job. And like, here's the issue. So you think about 1 Timothy 5, a man who doesn't provide for his own household.

He's abandoned the faith. He's worse than the unbeliever. You look at that, like, you think about the kind of man who refuses to provide for his home. The kind of man who, like, not only does he, like, so the situation of the man mom is even worse than what Paul has in mind.

So it's not just, like, it's a man who's not only rejecting his role of being provider, but he's putting on an apron and taking on the woman's role. You see what I mean? So it's like, that's adding insult to injury.

That's even worse than the situation that Paul has in mind. So you have a spineless man who's not only not doing the thing he's called to do, but then he's engaging in transgender role as essentially.

So you take a man, like, you put him into a woman's job and he's not going to do it well. He's not going to do the woman's job well. It just looks awkward. It looks embarrassing. And a lot of people just couldn't understand that basic point either.

It's honestly pretty, you know, like I said earlier, it's a pretty jarring position to take to say that, you know, a passage like this, a passage like this doesn't count. That's right. For the guy who is performing the woman's role, right?

Yeah. Because for all the reasons you've said, right?

Yes. I mean, it's bizarre, you know, and I think that a lot of people, they just couldn't. So if you look at a situation like that, you look at a man doing a woman's job, like you should cringe, right?

Right. Yeah. I mean, it feels embarrassing. It feels like a shameful thing. It's like you imagine a guy sitting around all day long holding a baby, doing dishes, you know, folding the laundry. And then his wife comes home and is like, how's your day, honey?

You have a nice day at work. I mean, it's so emasculating. It's so painful. It's so cringeworthy, you know? But then I think what would happen is you'd have like people who would come along and then they would think, well, if you make fun of that guy, then you're trivializing the woman's role.

Yeah. That's kind of the response they have. Like you're trivializing the woman's role. So basically if it's a joke that this man would do the woman's job, if that's such a big joke, then aren't you really mocking women right there, right?

Like, aren't you really? But the issue is it's like, no, like you're not. I can. This is something that it's just like almost impossible to get people to understand who are predisposed to not want to understand it.

But it's like, you're talking about two totally different things here. Right. So like in the same way, like if you look at Dylan Mulvaney wearing a dress prancing around like a, you know, six year old girl or something like that, like that's deserving of mockery.

But in mocking like Dylan Mulvaney, you're not mocking women who act like women. Do you understand?

Yeah. Because that's what they're like. Yes.

So like they're like that, you know, I mean, women are women and they're made to be women, but then like, I mean, certainly like you've seen like the pictures of pictures online where, you know, the ladies are engaging in like the, you know, the girl poses or whatever.

And then you have a guy come along and like trying to make the poses or whatever.

Yeah. You have like the, the dad trying to embarrass his, you know, teenage daughter or something. And by doing the same pose, you know, the sorority squat and duck face. And it looks weird. It looks like unnatural.

What's going on. So, but then the issue is, it's like, well, if you laugh at the guy doing that, right. And the guy's doing all the glamor pose, like the glamor facial expressions or whatever, like, you know, are you laughing at the woman doing it?

It's like, well, no, I mean, I, I, I think like what you're not doing is you're not making fun of women in that way. What you're, what you're acknowledging is that two people are made for two very different things.

So like a man is not made for beauty in that way. And so if he tries to do it, it just looks like a caricature. Right. And so in the same way, it's like, it's the same kind of thing where like if a woman tries to act tough, Like, like, you know, a woman cop, you know, one of our followers, like, I was trying to make this point about how unnatural it is for like a woman police officer.

And they shared like a video of a lady cop who was basically trying to be tough with this old man and, you know, pushing this old man into a car and the old man's like, you know, what wasn't having any of it.

You know, she's telling them to sit on the ground like a child or whatever. And it was like, she doesn't look tough. Right. She's not made for this job. It's like, She's making a mockery of being a police officer because she can't even restrain one old man here.

Right. So like, so, but then the issue is like, it's the same thing is happening here when you take a man who's designed for hard physical labor. It's like, you know, men have significantly more upper body strength than women.

Like you take a man who's designed for physical hard labor. Like you have a, you have a man who's designed to subdue the earth. Like so many, there's so many design features that are different between the design of a man and a woman.

You, you put a man in a man role and he's going to look good doing a man job. You put a man in a female role and you're going to realize, man, this doesn't fit. You know, this is a joke. This is like a comedy like movie that we're watching here.

Right. This is like Arnold Schwarzenegger being the homemaker or something like that. That's, that's a joke. That's not, that's not like, because it's just like, it's such a waste of everything that he is to, to get him to sweep floors or something like that.

It's like, you know, you should be dragging a truck somewhere, right?

No, he should be dragging a train somewhere.

I mean, but then you think about him like sweeping up on the house, right? It's like, well, that was a profound waste of all of that. Right.

So you've broken like 20 brooms, snapping them in half on accident. Yeah. So that's,.

That's kind of the point. So you like, like a woman is designed to care for small children. The woman is designed to make a house, a home like she's designed to do it. You know,. Whoa, hang on. How dare you say that,.

Tim? It's like, it's like you're, it's like you're acting like women have, you know, even body parts that are supposed to help raise the children. What's wrong with you, Tim?

The breastfeeding didn't give it away. If the breastfeeding didn't give it away, then, you know, it's funny, like even like, you know, women who are like significantly in shape, they're like, you know, 20 body fat or something like that.

Over and against like men who are significantly in shape, having like 1 body fat or something like that. But then like, why is that? Well, like, like that extra body fat percentage makes women like very soft.

That's why like men like to touch women because how soft they are. Right? Like that's the way it works. And so, but then why, why would God do that? Well, because they're like part of it's yeah. To be enjoyed by men.

But the other part of it is like they make better baby holders than men. Right? Right. Like, like you take a guy with like huge, you know, steroid jacked up muscles holding a baby. It's just like, am I going to crush this thing?