August 22, 2018 Show with Richard Bennett on “The Nature of God”

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I am so delighted to have after a long absence back on the program

a very dear friend of mine Richard Bennett.

I have helped Richard organize many speaking engagements over the years

and I am so delighted that his health has turned around for the better and has enabled him

to be on the program today.

But Richard Bennett is a former Roman Catholic priest, he's an author and he's the founder of

Berean Beacon and today we are going to address how the nature of

God negates false Roman Catholic mysticism.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Richard Bennett.

It's a joy, it's a joy to be with you again Chris, a real joy, praise the Lord.

Amen, well Richard if you could let our listeners know before we go into the subject just a little bit about

your health and how it has improved because we were, all of us who know and love you are worried for a little while,

but if you could tell us about your health and.

As much as you care to share.

Yeah, well it is my beloved wife

who has a four -stage cancer spread to our

lungs and seems to

be

spreading.

While the Berean, we are in difficulties

and then I have on my back spine from an accident

I had

in 1970 and then because of the

digestion system lifting away,

I've had trouble digesting food.

I used to look forward to a meal and

now it's a difficult task for us and while the Berean Beacon is well

funded, we're not well.

Funded.

Well I'm going to ask my listeners to pray about that and actually physically do something about that.

If you could help Richard out financially that'd be wonderful.

And just to let you know, Richard's wife who he just mentioned who has the four -stage

cancer, she is a former nun.

Richard is a former priest and his wife is a former nun.

No, no, no, no,.

You don't, you don't have that.

She was not a former nun.

Oh, why did I think that?

Because I have a book of 50 former nuns.

Oh okay, I apologize for that.

For some reason I thought.

That you married a former nun.

I've known you since the 1990s.

I don't understand why I didn't.

Know that.

Yes, I do, I do recall that.

And just recently Patricia, another former nun, another one called Kelly,

just very recently they keep coming out, Chris, people keep coming out for Romanism.

I have a book of 50 former priests, former nuns, and in

the last, oh two days ago it came out and just before

that Kelly came out, that former nun.

So you know in Catholicism they don't tell you about those who are coming out.

Right, well I know that you could get that book.

On the 50 former nuns from Solid Ground Christian Books, solid -ground -books .com.

Yeah, yes you can, you can get it.

So it's a joy to

be with you.

Maybe when I think of you,.

I think of Martin Luther for some reason, and that's why I thought you were married to a former.

Nun.

And by the way, I want to go on

the lowest prime.

We have a P .O. box in Yakima, I'm here.

Well if anybody else wants to have that repeated to them, you can email me and

sometime after the.

Show I can get back to you with that P .O. box.

Well it is really easy to P .O. box 389,

and let's not keep this show back because the nature of

God being negated, I would like to

speak if you ask me, but let you ask me then.

Yeah, well I just wanted to ask one question.

First.

Did you say before the program that you have recently turned 80?

Is that how old you are now?

Yes, 8 -0 -8 -0.

Well we in the body of Christ praise God that he has kept you here on earth for a while.

I know that that might not be your preference, but we are very happy that you are here on earth, and I'm sure your wife

is as well.

So by the way, if anybody wants to know more information about Berean Beacon, you

can hear more about Richard's testimony on how he came from being

a Roman Catholic priest to being a born -again believer in Christ, and a theologically reformed believer, and

a Baptistic believer.

You could go to bereanbeacon .org, bereanbeacon .org, and you can find out more about Richard.

Well this is quite a controversial theme that we're going to be discussing today.

The nature of God negates false Catholic mysticism.

If you could.

Begin on how God reveals who he truly is in the

scriptures.

Yes, God reveals who

he is, one God, and

who is God.

The question that very few people ask is,

what

is God?

I used to

ask students, I would say, what is God?

And the students say, Mr. Bennett, you got that wrong.

It should be, who is God?

And I say, no, God is Father, Son, Holy

Spirit.

But what is God?

What is the nature of God?

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Question number four, what is God?

God is the Spirit, infinite, eternal, unchangeable.

It's

awesome

that

God

is

eternal.

Eternal

God, your

refuges die with

the tide.

It's

your

God.

The most

distinctive

is his

holiness.

Revelation, you know, about the horse sitting

upon a throne.

Above it stood he, covered

his feet, between did he fly.

And one cried unto the other and said, holy, holy,

holy is the Lord God of hosts.

The whole earth is full of his glory.

It's awesome how

holy God is.

Holy, completely set apart from anything that would speak of evil,

completely perfect

in

him.

So

let

me repeat, asking

Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves, we address ourselves

with the mother.

And if you don't believe

me, go to the Catechism of the Catholic Church

and look up,

tempt, and be ashamed of us, dear

unholy, dear

Catholics.

Yes.

So, and on the one hand, on paper, in its official teachings,

much of what you said about God would be echoed by the Church of Rome.

But the problem, the very serious and heretical problem.

They have is when they share that glory with Mary.

Am I

right?

And of

course, they claim.

That they do not view her as deity.

They do not worship her.

But as far as what they say, they say that veneration,

that hyperdulia and dulia, the different categories of

veneration are not crossing the line into worship.

But in reality, we would say that everything that they say and do in their

efforts to honor and communicate with Mary, they are violating that line,

going into the area of worshiping Mary, even if they claim they are not.

Am I right?

And that's

not

the main one.

That is

a true Mary.

It's a

really one.

She stood in all her pain

before Abraham was.

I am, he said, and not many other words.

Amen.

Well, Catholic mysticism,.

If you could explain why this is

dangerous, why this negates, or should I say why the character

and nature of God negates Catholic mysticism, what exactly do you mean by Catholic mysticism?

By

Catholic, the

Catholic Church throughout the

years, Vatican counts.

The Vatican, the Vatican, and that is Romanism,

had, you know, had taken elements in it.

The Vatican Council, too, they authenticated.

And I'd like to read

the exact words

of the documents.

Nostra Aetate.

Anyone who understands Latin, as is our age.

Nostra Aetate.

Nostra Aetate.

Sorry, I pronounced my Latin wrong.

In Hinduism, men

explore a divine limitless

riches of myth and accurately defined insights of philosophy.

They seek release from the trials of the present life by ascetical practices,

profound meditation, and recourse to God in confidence.

Buddhism, in its various forms,

essential inadequacy of this changing world.

It proposes a way of life by which man can, with confidence and

trust, attain a state of perfect liberation,

supreme illumination, with the aid,

by the aid of divine help.

The Catholic Church negates nothing of what is true or not.

So here is the Roman Catholic Church authenticating Hinduism

and Buddhism, pagan

religions,

illumination, speaking about Buddhism.

Thirty -one years I've been

living in Buddhism.

Catholic people have

often seen the Buddha.

Yes,

many Roman Catholics and even liberal Protestants, or

even Protestants that would.

Consider themselves conservative in many ways, but they're ecumenical with the Church of

Rome, they would say that our position here, that vehemently

opposes the Church of Rome's affirmation of false religions, they would say that our

position is less loving.

But it is not loving at all when you are encouraging people to remain

enslaved to false and damning religions.

I don't know why people, if they think that they have truth, why they think it is a

loving thing to allow someone to remain in falsehood.

I mean, it's.

Really insane, if you ask me.

How it all

happened, people say, that couldn't have happened, that's not official Catholic Church teaching.

Let me call from a very well -known Jesuit priest, William Johnson,

in his book called The Mirror Mind,

the Jesuit William Johnson.

Then came the second, 1960,

overnight, the Catholic Church,

Asians

and theologians,

acknowledging that the Spirit of God is at

work in

all

people,

all peoples, and.

In fact, aren't many Buddhists atheists?

I mean, some people might find that it sounds oxymoronic, because they think if somebody's a member of a

religion, they can't be an atheist, but.

Aren't many Buddhists actually atheists?

Well, some of them are, they say, well, I'm not interested.

I remember I used to go to them, I'm not

interested in religion, you know, don't, don't, don't, don't

put that tab on me, or something like that, you know.

That's making me a

kunamono,

and I'm

not a

fool, no matter

what the creatures

are.

Yes.

There's no reason for a gospel, if everybody, if everybody reaches...

Yes, in fact, in the Catholic catechism,

according to the dogmatic constitution of the Church, Lumen Gentium 16, from

Vatican II, it is declared that the plan of salvation also includes

those who acknowledge the Creator in the first place, amongst whom are the Muslims.

These profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us,

they adore the one merciful God, mankind's judge, on

the last day.

That's a pretty remarkable and heretical statement.

Isn't that, isn't that, isn't that, isn't that horrific?

It's not a strong enough word.

The men who flew the planes into the top,

they were people who did not need to be witnessed.

They, they had reached supreme illumination themselves.

Oh man, it, it, it, it, stupidity is not the word for it.

There's not a strong enough word that I know for that.

It's diabolically evil, that's how it is.

It's not even, it's not even...

Islam is a way of God, yes.

It's not even consistent with their own theology, because in the

Quran, the Trinity is wrongly defined, that including Mary

is a part of the, of the Trinity, which they condemn, and, and of course, no

Roman Catholic ever included Mary as a part of the Trinity, even though they may act that way, that she is not,

she is not a part of Godhead.

But at the same time, Muslims believe that not only is

there, are the Catholics' false views of Mary blasphemous, but they even believe that their true

views of Jesus Christ being the God -man, that is the worst sin that a person can

commit in Islam, the sin of shirk, and yet the Catholics claim that the Muslims still

are adoring the same God.

It makes absolutely no sense.

It makes no sense.

And even if you remove the terrorists from the situation,.

Your wonderful neighbor next door, who may be a Muslim and a very nice person, may be very charitable

and humble and sacrificial and generous, that person is being

robbed of the truth when they are told that you can keep worshiping the non -Trinitarian

Allah that you worship, you can keep worshiping a God that would reject

Jesus Christ as being a part of the Godhead, and you will be fine, you will be safe, you will go

to heaven.

You are robbing that person of the truth and putting them in peril of an eternal

life in hell.

I mean, it is not a kind and loving thing to deceive a Muslim

or anyone else just because you want to have the approach of kindness and love and compassion.

You are doing the opposite, in reality, by deceiving them.

Yet another, that he

identified

himself and others who would have this

mystical, he

identified this as us becoming part of the divinity.

Let me read what the mystical Thomas Merton said

exactly.

Now I

realize, I suddenly saw that the secret beauty of

the nighter self -knowledge,

the core of the reality, the person that each one is in God's eyes,

if only they could all see themselves as they really are and

highlight it.

If more, if there would be no more war, no more

hatred, no more cruelty, no more greed, I suppose the big

problem would be that we would all fall.

That is

from Thomas

Merton's conjectures

of a guilty

by 150 could only see that

reality.

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We are now back with our interview with Richard Bennett, a former Roman Catholic priest, founder of

Berean Beacon, and he is discussing how the nature of God

negates false Roman Catholic mysticism.

And by the way, I think I just figured out, Richard, why I wrongly thought that your wife was a former nun.

When I first met you in the early 2000s face -to -face,

the same day that I met you, I met your wife and I met a former nun who was there

to hear you speak,.

A friend of yours.

Yes.

Amen.

Well, let's, before we go back to the mysticism, let's hear,

because.

We have all kinds of listeners that are not all Christians.

They, some of them are Roman Catholics, some of them are Muslims.

We have a variety, even though the majority would certainly be Christians.

I even have received emails and communication from members of

the Mooney cult, the church that, or the cult that Reverend Sung Young

Moon founded.

I've had all kinds of people listening to this program.

And I want you to give the biblical good news of salvation and really

contrast that to what we are offered by the Roman Catholic church.

And also even in regard to the.

Dangers of the mysticism that the Roman Catholic church practices.

Well, before they all holy,

each man and woman in this world of Genesis,

or read even chapter,

read chapter one of Genesis and see

how from the beginning man sinned against, he

was sinners by nature.

If you

say, I've never, you are, you are professing

to be, to

be a liar, justified freely by

his grace.

There's different parts in the Bible where it speaks with

beyond praising God for redemption.

And there's Romans

three that really you hear

the heart of the writing

freely by his grace, true to redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

That all have sinned, everyone, every man,

woman

and redemption

to give

you

the

faith

that we

don't

have

anything

else.

It's

not any sacrament.

It's not any church.

One man said to me, they're downgrading

my Catholic church.

I said, there's no church, no church.

It's the grace of God alone.

And there's only one mediator and he's Christ Jesus.

And it's interesting that there's priest mentioned in the old Testament.

There's no priest mentioned in the new Testament, except Jesus Christ being the one priest.

Amen.

And of course the priesthood of all believers.

Or the priesthood of all.

Now, when you said there is no church, obviously I know what you mean.

You're not saying there is no church.

You're saying that there's no church, no matter how biblically faithful it is, that can save a

person or even help save a person.

It is God alone and his mercy that saves sinners.

Yes.

I'm saying that no church, but biblical churches that preach the gospel, the gospel.

Now, the areas that the Roman Catholic Church would

violate what you just said would include the treasury of merit that

they believe enables them to enter into heaven if they are

faithful Catholics.

That Christ's death on Calvary, even though they might not

formulate the wording this way, you cannot draw any other conclusion that

they believe that the death of Christ is insufficient to completely purge them

of all sin and to redeem them.

And that's why the treasury of merit, the good deeds of Mary and the saints are required.

And also the good deeds of the individual, any

person that enters into heaven, his good deeds are included in that merit.

And on top of everything, if they have sin in their lives, which the vast

majority of people do, according to the Church of Rome, we would believe everybody does other than Christ, but they believe that there are

certain circumstances where saints are free from sin.

But the average person who is even dying in a good standing

and a right relationship with God, even then, that person has to be tormented in purgatory for further

purging.

Those are the major areas where the Church of Rome really goes off the rails into

heresy, and I'm talking about.

Serious and damnable heresy.

Yeah, define this on

a search

engine, and it'll come up

by a catechism of the Catholic Church,

paragraph 181, easy to remember, 181, paragraph 81.

They define what believing is.

Let me quote exactly what they say.

Believing is an ecclesial act.

Ecclesial is the Church's

faith precedes engenders of faith.

The Church is the mother of, no one can have

God as father who does not have the,

you cannot have.

Now, it seems that having said that,.

The Roman Catholic Church, and I'm not using words intentionally to be cruel,

but there's a schizophrenia going on here, because you have, since Vatican II,

people of all types of religions, we were just quoting before from the catechism, how

Buddhists and Hindus and Muslims, and of course even in the catechism,

Jews who reject Christ as their Messiah, they can also go to heaven.

So it seems that there is a, speaking out of both sides of the mouth here, there is

on the one hand a dogmatic Church of Rome where there are things that are

declared as officially binding dogmas that can never be changed at the Council of Trent,

and then you have today, a catechism and a Pope that seem to do

a 180 degree turn on.

This and speak in exactly the opposite fashion on many areas.

Am I right?

You are

right,

if you don't

have, I mean,

how could anybody say that about any Church?

It's unbelievable that you cannot know God.

And I'm assuming the spin they must take on it, and I'm talking

about the.

Moderate and liberal Catholics, they must be inclusivists who would say, well, you do

need.

The Church as your mother, but you don't need to know that.

I know that.

I saw a Muslim man, you know, hoping to come to faith, and he was

saying, well, then I just believe that God is my father.

It's just

wonderful to hear this, and then if

he had known, it's just ridiculous.

And those conservative Muslims who would be

faithful to the Quran, they do not view the Catholic Church

as adoring the same true God as they adore.

They don't agree with that statement.

I've asked Muslims, do you believe that the Catholic catechism is correct when it says that.

You adore the same one true God as they do?

Absolutely not.

I know, I know.

They wouldn't even pause a second to say, absolutely not.

I know.

People haven't talked.

The

Islamic person.

Knows common sense.

Right.

We do have RJ in White Plains, New York, who says,

Richard, how do you respond to the more conservative, traditionalist Catholic

who says that many of the modern things that we are discussing in the Catholic

catechism and other things that have been brought in since Vatican II are not dogma,

and they would agree that they are false teachings that heretics in the Catholic Church are teaching,

but they are not the true dogma of the Church, and they will even say that popes may

teach heretical things, but if they do not declare them ex cathedra

as dogma, then it really doesn't matter.

It's not binding upon Catholics.

How do.

You respond to these conservative Catholics who say these things?

I can understand the demand because

it's so different than what was before

Vatican, but these conservative Catholics are still

trusting in sacraments.

Yes.

They trust that when they baptize their babies,

you've more incentive.

When the police...

These things don't work.

People come back to confession with the same sins.

On Trinidad, for all the sacraments, there was one

man, and it was frightening, and it actually did frighten me afterwards.

When I thought back on it, his wife called me.

He was dying of cancer, and I gave

him confession,

and then he

got three sacraments, and then when it came to dying, he was in such

pain, and I could not

believe it.

Here's a man.

He's got three of the sacraments, and he's cursing God as he dies, and it

frightened me as

a Catholic priest.

It's frightening because you're still

looking at the sacraments.

It's no sacrament.

It's no ritual of any church.

It's trusting Christ alone as a sinner.

And Savior by the blood of Christ.

Amen.

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Before the break, Richard, we were basically saying that

even though the modern Catholic Church has heresies of its own

kind that have infiltrated into the Church of Rome that were foreign to the

Church of Rome for centuries, even if you were a faithful Roman Catholic going back to the

Council of Trent, you would still be in serious jeopardy of the eternal

damnation because of the severity of the heresies even embraced by the

Roman Catholic Church going centuries before Vatican II.

Am I right?

Yeah, yes, correct.

We

have a listener in Bangor, Maine.

John asks, how do you respond to the Roman Catholic who says that the

anathemas of the Council of Trent are not condemnations to hell,

but merely a much softer rebuke that you cannot be a member of the Catholic Church in good

standing?

Yeah, yeah, you just do not know what an anathema

means.

You know, it means the eternal

anathema meant,

and it's quite clear when you read the anathemas of Council, condemning a

person to hell and damnations who did not believe.

Yes, and in fact the Apostle Paul uses that word.

Ironically for people who are guilty of one of the sins that is a dogma of the Church of Rome.

They, but the Apostle Paul condemned with an anathema those who added anything to faith

in order to justify them.

Am I right?

The Apostle Paul in Galatians declared an anathema on those that are actually guilty

of one of the things that the Roman Catholic Church is guilty of.

They add to faith things that justify a man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, indeed.

And he was not, the Apostle Paul was not just saying, well, you can't be officially a member of the local church.

He was saying, you are going to hell, you have a false gospel.

Yes, you have

a false gospel.

It believes what the Church says.

I think it's worth repeating what I gave in paragraph 181 from the Catechism of the Catholic

Church, what it is to be a

priestess in

gender supposed to

nourish herself.

You cannot know who's

talking about the Catholic Church, and that's part of

know God as your father, your mother, and

let her know.

You know, it's interesting that the Roman Catholic Church will say that we need the Church as our mother and Mary

as our mother.

So do we have two mothers, according to...

Yes, we do,

yes, and the

Church's

mother

denies itself.

The other Pope

said he's

infallible, infallible,

he's denying infallibility,

infallible.

We have CJ in Lindenhurst,.

Long Island, New York, who says, earlier you were talking about the uniting of the

Catholic Church to pagan religion.

Has this not always been their practice since they departed from biblical Christianity centuries

ago?

Because after all, they have been worshipping statues for centuries and relics and

icons.

They, of course, claim that they are not worshipping these things, but they are venerating them, but

one could hardly distinguish between veneration and worship.

That's also something that we said earlier.

Yeah, I mean, did not the Catholic Church centuries ago appease the pagan

cultures that they attempted to quote -unquote Christianize by incorporating things like

using statues and other things that they prayed to?

That is true.

What do

you mean by worship?

Is that, how can you call that

anything but worshipping?

Contrary, you know, there's no need for

these uses.

This is

just a place to

remain

in the Catholic

Church.

I'm not looking to quit.

You know, when

I saw that in a

half year, it's not because I'm a sloaner.

I didn't want to see, because I said, see what I'm seeing,

how am I going

to manage?

You know, you

weren't allowed to have any trade.

Really, even today?

Even today.

Wow, that's odd.

Some of them, some men have become priests who were before.

You know, you take your qualifications with you in that case, but

you're not allowed, even with the

horrendous things, to change your name.

And you say, well, that's no

small thing.

Well, it is a big thing.

When I had spent 22 years at the Catholic priest, 21 on the island of

Trinidad, and one or not a whole year in Rome,

then you've lost your identity.

When I left in 1985, I was

born again, and I finally reached the stage in 1986,

and I finally reached the stage.

I'm a Peter Bennett.

It's my real name, and I'm

saying Richard Bennett.

I'm going to say Peter Bennett.

And it was, I had to prove that Peter

Bennett, though

Richard has done nothing since he graduated from Jesuit high

school.

And it made things impossible.

I could not get

by for anything, because they had changed my name.

It makes leaving the Catholic Church extremely difficult.

Even with those difficulties, we have the book

in many languages, and it's our

best.

Yes, I

read that

book

years ago, but it was the Banner of Truth edition.

So.

You're saying that there are different testimonies included in the newer edition?

Yes, they are.

Yes, we put in different ones.

You know, even though we took out some remarkable

variations.

Now, I

think we should make it clear, and I'm very confident you agree with me on this.

After having known you for so long.

There may be some who think that we are saying, if you are a member of a

Catholic Church or anybody who has been a member of a Catholic Church, that automatically means you're going to hell.

But doesn't really, the most important thing is, what do you actually

believe and where do you place your trust?

Because there are Catholics who, out of ignorance, actually

are disobeying their own dogma and are believing in a biblical gospel.

And there have been, in centuries past, Catholics who were executed

by the Catholic Church for believing in biblical truth, and yet they never

officially left the Catholic Church in any ceremonial way.

They never converted to Protestantism.

But these were Catholics that we will meet in heaven because they believed the truth about the gospel.

They are trusting, or have trusted, in Christ alone as their only hope of salvation,

and so on.

Wouldn't you agree.

With that?

Yes, I would agree with that.

And the priest, it took them a

long while.

He stayed

in in the church, having come to salvation, and it was only, it

took a while before he actually left.

And it, in my own life, it was only a question of

months.

Then we went back to a place called Mayaro,

in a very

tangible

way.

And I was afraid, if I had been before,

that the occult,

because I condemned the occult, you know, in which crowd

would have killed me.

And it

relieved Catholicism really quickly.

Well, we have to go to our final break.

It's a much shorter break than the last one.

And if you have any questions that you'd like to ask Richard Bennett, please send them in now, or forever hold your peace, because we're rapidly running out of

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We are discussing the nature of God and how it negates Roman Catholic mysticism.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

And we have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania.

And he has a question.

I know this is a little bit off topic, Richard, but I am a native Pennsylvanian.

And because of that, I was wondering if you might take just a minute or so to respond to the

recent scandal that was uncovered in Pennsylvania, in the Roman Catholic

priesthood involving the sexual molestation of children.

Yes, yes, yes.

I'm aware of

that one priest.

Yeah, it

was predominantly boys.

What is your.

Response to this?

Is there something built into the system of Rome that makes this a more likely

horror story to occur?

Like, for instance, even though there are wicked men in authority in

all denominations and fellowships and associations and brotherhood within even Bible

believing circles, there are false converts that exist amongst us.

You have all kinds of horror stories with even you know, Baptist and Presbyterian pastors doing these

things.

But is the system of Rome doesn't have built in it a more

dangerous concept of, for instance, the fact that

they forbid priests to marry, it's not necessarily that a man

who is required to remain celibate will become a pedophile or a

predator, but the church is more likely to be getting people applying and entering

into the priesthood because they already have homosexual proclivities and other.

Strange sexual appetites.

Am I right on that?

I think you're right on that, and it's heartbreaking

that

men would marry.

Marriage has

become one flesh

and the

beginning of the Bible,

it's just horrible and beyond words

and it forbids marriage.

How could a church, God ordained, God ordained it at the

Catholic Church to control those

priests, to change the law.

They don't change the law.

Pope Francis has done many, many things.

He has not yet changed the law about

older men.

A man's wife would never allow that they

do not get

really

got to know.

He is

like a pawn because he doesn't have a wife.

He doesn't have children.

He does the

same.

Horrific to see what the Catholic

can't leave the system because they have no trade, they stay

inside.

If you are listening and you are a priest, please write to me in

your box already.

Yakima, Y -A -K

-I -M -A, Yakima, details of how I

can contact you and in an

order of what order it is, like Dominican, Franciscan, you have,

you know, Carmelite, maybe, whatever

order it is, let me know how I can contact you.

Now, the invitation that you're giving, what specifically.

Are you asking these priests to do?

If they are contemplating the biblical gospel, of course, that would be a reason.

But what other reasons would you have.

An invitation to priests?

I don't doubt the church.

They see that lives don't, the Catholic city,

there's more, there's more, there's more immorality.

I'm not talking.

Really?

Yes.

Cities that are predominantly

Catholic

are

predominantly

immoral

and the

jails.

Now,

do

you

actually

have.

A priests who on occasion accept those invitations and who contact you.

Privately, perhaps like Nicodemus?

Well, yeah, I don't want to say that on the air.

I don't want to expose anybody or to give any,

right.

Of course not.

Somebody might say, Oh, well, I'll pretend.

Right, right.

And then

I would be able to

probably better.

It's probably better to Mike Gendron because he's, he's

far more

versatile

than I am.

Well, you could

obviously.

Refer anybody who's contacting you to Mike Gendron or anyone else that you believe is a suitable person to

speak with them.

We have, let's see here, Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.

She asks, am I right to believe that the sex scandals in the

Catholic church are really more of a tragedy involving the sin of

homosexuality than pedophilia because it's, it's teenage boys, not

prepubescent ones.

And does this not come from the Catholic church's insufficient understanding of the

sin of homosexuality, where they view it as a, merely as a disorder,

but one may even become a priest who admits that he has these desires,.

As long as he takes a vow of chastity.

I would not agree with the more

older, young boys.

And maybe

probably

as

you

know,

anything of the same Romanism and the

Catholic to come alongside

Christ Jesus, that all have sins.

Amen.

One thing that she said, I believe is correct,.

Because I've spoken to Roman Catholics about it, even conservative ones, who will say that

the Catholic church will allow, will ordain a man into the

priesthood without hesitation, even if he admits that he is a

homosexual or has those desires, as long as he vows to be chaste.

I've heard that that is true from quite a number of Roman Catholics.

So wouldn't you agree with that.

That is true?

You're asking me, Chris, are you?

Yes, yes.

Don't you think that that is a true?

I don't know.

In my day, it wasn't unknown because I came from, even the

priests from around, just

going

back

to

tradition.

We have, we

have a question

from.

Joey in Clifton, New Jersey.

Dear Richard, how do you see the possibility of the Vatican regarding Mary as

co -mediatrix with Christ developing?

Has it been building or losing support?

Very, very good question.

I would like to know the answer of that.

Our church is a mediator, and

yet we have a feminine one too.

There's one mediator between, and

it's,

it's, these

inconsistencies even in Catholicism

come along

with a

feminine mediator,

like God's

damnable

form,

and

that's

no

longer, say,

the Bible

alone, and

all

these words, the

five souls,

as they

call them, and they still are today, you

know, it's

on the authority of

Scripture alone.

It's by grace alone.

It's through faith

alone.

I remember years ago when I was arranging debates

with Roman.

Catholics, and I'm still doing that now, but this particular incident that occurred, there was a

prominent Roman Catholic, I believe his last name is Mirialli, who was advocating the

co -mediatrix doctrine to be pronounced as dogma of the Church of Rome, and I

remember that the only reason that this person's

colleagues in the Roman Catholic apologetic world were hesitant about that is because they

believed it would thwart ecumenical relations with evangelicals and other Protestants.

That was really the only reason.

It wasn't that they were opposed to the actual concept, because they, they really believe that already,

don't they?

I mean, it's, don't they actually believe that Mary is a co -mediatrix, even though they

might not say that that is a dogmatic title?

Wouldn't that, weren't, don't they already believe in that?

They do, they do.

They.

Already believe in it, but they wouldn't want to be dogmatic, and it's, you

know,

it's, it's, it's,

it's

trying

to make

things more easily for

them,

and

then

being snared,

please sit

up in

the Old

Testament.

Well, I'd like you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of.

Our listeners in regard to the main theme, the nature of God

and how it negates Roman Catholic mysticism for about three minutes.

You can have the floor uninterrupted to summarize what you want to.

Say.

What I, what I want to

say, from the beginning of when, when Christ

was on earth, it was that the gospel should be

preached, and the very final chapter, the

very final chapter in the Bible says, come out of her, my people, that you be not

partakers of her sins, and you receive not of her plagues.

That is from the very last book, the book of Revelation, and it's

chapter 7, 18, verse 4.

Come out of her, my people.

There are people in the Catholic Church who do not trust the sacraments.

They're trusting Christ alone.

They look to Christ alone for their salvation.

They experience the joy inside them of knowing that they're saved by grace, but they still say

inside the Catholic, the Bible commands, come out of her, my people.

I ask you who are in the Catholic and are still

partaking of the sacraments to know that you have salvation if you're trusting

Christ alone, and come out of her, my people.

Thus says the word of the Lord.

It's not, it's not an invitation,

and how, what, will turn to the Lord God by faith alone,

through Christ Jesus grace alone.

Recognize, say, I recognize that I'm a sinner.

I know I need grace for my sin.

I trust

by his blood, and now

Ephesians

chapter 2, verse 8 and 9,

for by grace

are you,

and that

matter was

saved.

Come out of her, come out of her, and you will know, and you will know that you

are, you are

accepted in Christ.

Only that you, and all

graces come to you afterwards, is at the end of jar,

in him that it's

true.

Even in his son,

Jesus, your

mother.

You do not

know one, three,

thirteen,

Yakima, Y -A -K -I

-M -A,

and you need some.

Amen.

Amen.

Well, I

also want

to remind

our listeners.

That your website is bereanbeacon .org, bereanbeacon .org.

I want to thank you so much, Richard, that you accepted my invitation to be on the

program, even though that your health is somewhat diminished.

I thank you so much for your love for me and your love for this program.

I look forward to having future opportunities to have you back, and I want to thank everybody who listened today,

especially those who took the time to write in, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ

is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.