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- Mr. Hockney, I don't believe I'm under any constraint for you to tell me what questions I can and cannot ask, and I think it's very obvious to the audience that I'm asking questions that go directly to the consistency of the standards that you are pretending to present here.
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- And so, I don't believe that I have gotten any answer from you, and I think it's important to everybody here.
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- If you are going to allege that the New Testament is missing, for example, the infancy gospel of Thomas, which comes from middle 2nd century, late 2nd century, something along those lines.
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- Is it your assertion, then, that this is one of the books that you must, you're commanded in Surah 2 and in Surah 4 to believe?
- 00:53
- That's pretty much a yes or no question. Do you believe that that was Natsal sent down by Allah, and that you are to believe it?
- 01:02
- Yes or no? Well, that's the kind of question where you ask someone, alright, when did your mom get out of jail?
- 01:09
- Is that a yes or no question? So, again, our position is that what the Christian, they have some truth, but there's also a lot of scriptures which they are hiding, and we are finding fragments of that truth in these other gospels.
- 01:25
- So, anyways, you never really answered my question on, you know, are you going to debate me on is
- 01:32
- Muhammad a true prophet based on the archaeological, prophetic, and scientific evidence? Now, you ask which books to believe inside, you know, according to the
- 01:42
- Quran. Well, really, if you want to understand what Islam says, you basically should believe all these books.
- 01:48
- There's nothing obligated for you to believe in any of these books because there's nothing of reliability in there. And that's why the
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- Quran came, to confirm the truth which the Christians have been hiding in those other scriptures.
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- Now, I can't force you to sit here and talk about what the subject of tonight's discussion is.
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- Is the New Testament reliable? Not is Quran or Islam reliable? You know,
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- I can't make you do that. So, anyways, I would like to know, you know, will you debate me on is
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- Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam a true prophet or not? Could we try to keep to at least pretend that we're answering questions?
- 02:25
- I see a lot of people in the audience. I recognize people see what's going on, but we're not really able to get to a lot because we're getting a lot of obfuscation.
- 02:35
- All right, Nadir, I will personally reserve a minute or two at the end of the debate for any debate challenges.
- 02:42
- And so, all right, James, next question. Nadir. Thank you. Answer. And if I could just ask a favor for the audience, sir, to actually answer the question that I'm placing to you and not go on and say, oh,
- 02:54
- I didn't get to talk about that. Oh, let's talk about this over here. You have been talking, you made reference in your presentation to first century books outside of the
- 03:04
- New Testament. Could you please name one and give some scholars to back up your dating that we should have in our
- 03:09
- New Testament? When we talk about these books, first of all, and I'm glad you rate that you're presenting the
- 03:15
- New Testament, that it was all written within the first century. This is not true. Every scripture, the manuscripts which the
- 03:22
- New Testament is based on, this is all based on manuscripts which date back 250 to 300 years after Jesus.
- 03:30
- Okay? All of the manuscripts with the exception of a credit card -sized document. But I told you the whole argument is so silly to begin with because people can be just as big of frauds and liars 50 years after Jesus as well as 150 years after Jesus.
- 03:45
- So if you want to say the Bible is written 50 years after Jesus, okay, no problem. But actually when we look at the infancy gospels, when we look at these other books, we don't know when they were authored.
- 03:56
- We have no idea. Right around 150, 200 years after Jesus is when they first appeared on the radar screen.
- 04:04
- But that doesn't mean that they originated at this time. But once again, people believed in these books.
- 04:11
- People believed in like the Gospel of Peter, okay, which you today reject as a false scripture, the
- 04:17
- Christian community of Roses. And so when you start rejecting gospels and you say these books are frauds,
- 04:24
- I know the Gospel of Peter claims to have been written by Peter, but the author is a liar. He's a charlatan.
- 04:30
- And then I bring you another gospel, the Gospel of Judas. And then I show you the Abianite church. The Abianite church claims to have apostolic authority based on Peter and James.
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- But you say they're all liars, they're all frauds. All right, you know, I'm not saying that you are.
- 04:46
- So in the midst of all these lies and these frauds comes the New Testament. So all we are saying tonight is that the
- 04:54
- New Testament is simply a product of its environment. And the fact that he could not show any evidence to the contrary,
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- I think that's clear. Yes, we have time for one more.
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- Mr. Rockman, you did not answer my last question. Let me try it one more time. You made direct reference in your positive speech to books that were written in the first century.
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- Please identify them and give a single scholarly reference, sir, that substantiates your placement of these in the first century.
- 05:28
- No scholars for you today. Because as soon as I name a scholar, oh, he's a liberal scholar.
- 05:35
- And then I don't want to get into this whole issue. Okay, this scholar said this, this scholar said that. Bring forth the evidence.
- 05:42
- Give us the proof for what you're saying. So again, I answered your question. I'll answer it for a second time.
- 05:48
- When these books were written, we don't know. Okay, we don't have enough evidence. We don't even have a clear picture of even the first century, right?
- 05:58
- Don't you agree? Don't you agree we don't have a clear picture of what happened in the first century? Well, let me jog your memory.
- 06:03
- According to Matthew chapter 25, chapter 27, verse 52, when Jesus died or was crucified, zombies came out of their graves and these dead bodies were walking all around in Jerusalem and the pagans, the
- 06:18
- Jews, the Gentiles all saw these dead bodies which came to life like zombies.
- 06:24
- Where is the historical evidence for this? Today, if you look inside Christian history, you won't find a single reference for this.
- 06:32
- And out of embarrassment, your own scholars reject this. Well, he came very close. He was like, you know, kind of embarrassed about that.
- 06:39
- William Lane Craig wouldn't accept this passage. So you see, you're asking me about the first century, so I will say
- 06:45
- I don't know when these books were written, but since you're worried about the first century, I challenge you to show me one single historical reference about the zombies which are walking after Jesus died, that are walking around in Jerusalem.
- 07:00
- And you'll never find any. So this is a refutation of his so -called attacks on the Gnostics, Valentinists, and those other
- 07:07
- Gospels, because he said there's ridiculous teachings in those books. Well, I'm almost done.
- 07:15
- Matthew chapter 27, verse 52 isn't very bright either. So by your own criteria, you're dismissing those books.
- 07:22
- And remember, I said all the New Testament is written 250 to 300 years after Jesus, with the exception of a credit card size.
- 07:30
- All right, well, that was kind of a question and answer, and kind of a crossfire.
