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If this was my child, here, I would want to help that child through the struggles of gender dysphoria.

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And many people have overcome this kind of confusion because the problem is in the mind, not the body.

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So the Christian worldview would be that it's up to us to tell the truth and to help a young person come to the knowledge of the truth for their own good, for their own benefit.

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Now I understand there's a difference of opinion here, that this book, this author, has a particular worldview. I have a particular worldview.

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Can you hand me a book comparable to this that teaches the biblical worldview on the question of transgenderism?

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Maybe. Welcome to Tearing Down High Places.

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I'm your host, Pastor Jeff, with Average Joe. Hi, Average Joe here. We are in Morristown, New Jersey, and we are at the very first sanctuary library in southern

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New Jersey. There's a whole bunch north of the Raritan River, and we're here to warn you about this. This is not good news, people.

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This is Morristown, New Jersey, and we have another one that's set up in Pensauken, a sanctuary library.

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And then Mount Laurel is voting sometime in the next several weeks. We're going to find out that exact date and let you know.

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It'll be in the show notes to also put in a sanctuary city. Sanctuary library.

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I said sanctuary city. It's like a book sanctuary. Yeah. So what are we doing here? So like Tearing Down High Places, today let's just be

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TDHP. Because that sounds like more of a media outlet. Yeah, yeah. And we're just going to run in here as we're going to be investigative journalists.

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We are journalists. We are. With TDHP, we're going to go in and expose what's happening. Which is the book sanctuary.

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What is a book sanctuary? Yeah, so apparently the American Library Association is pushing this throughout the country.

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And in the show notes, we'll have a link to that library as well. And what they're promoting is this idea that books are being banned everywhere.

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And there's a little sleight of hand that you pointed out. The books you thought they were talking about were what?

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Yeah, they'll say like Catcher in the Rye and just standard books that people are aware of.

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1984. Yeah. What was To Kill a Mockingbird? So these are not the books in the sanctuary, and that's what we're going to point out.

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The books in the sanctuary are all, the top ten that I saw on the list, and we'll include that list. Yeah, you've got to show a list of what the top ten most challenged books is.

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Well, we're going to go in and film them. All right. So they're all LGBTQ++, double plus bad.

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Yeah. Yeah, so the word pornography, graphe means writing.

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Right. And porn refers to sexual. Right. So it's books that are writing about sexual matters that are just inappropriate for children, and it's indoctrinating them to believe certain things about sexuality.

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Right. So that's pornographic by nature, even if there's not pictures in the book. Writing about sexuality and presenting that to little children is pornographic indoctrination.

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Right. So that's what we're against. Yeah, we've got to be against that. And the sleight of hand, you know, again, we were looking at a sleight of hand last week's show.

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Yeah. And I think we're looking at a different type of sleight of hand. And the average Christian doesn't even know this is happening.

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Right. I mean, this is happening. This has been happening for a while in North Jersey. There's probably 15 or 20 libraries that I saw on the website link, and now

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Moorestown was very proud to be the very first in South Jersey. And they want to go to Mount Laurel next, where we are.

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Mount Laurel next, and that's our home turf. You know, I think we should show up at that town hall meeting if they're going to have a vote or something like that.

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Oh, yeah. Remember when we went to the Andy Kim meeting, and he was trying to sell his abortion thing, and we brought, like, 70 believers in there and just completely swamped the meeting.

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Let's do it. By God's grace, just spoke truth into that dark place, and it was awesome.

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You know, that reminds me. There's housekeeping that has to be done every week. We've got to remind people to please share the show.

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Yeah. Right? Share it on YouTube. Share it on Rumble. It's rumble .com slash tdhp. And you can go to cornerstonesj .org

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and get to the links. You can also go to YouTube and just do at Cornerstone SJ, and you get there.

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Also, these libraries are under attack. Yeah. Absolutely. This is not. This is the libraries.

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Jeff, why do you think the libraries are so key to this agenda? Well, it's a collection of books.

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That's what a library is, and that's how you indoctrinate people into a worldview. So we have the ultimate library.

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The word Bible means library. It's a collection of 66 books that are God's point of view, and they are from God.

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And there are many other books written that support that worldview. Right? So that's the Christian worldview.

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But there's a competitor worldview that the libraries of this world are promoting, and that is secular humanism at this point in time in our country's history.

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So that's what we're up against. It's a battle to train, to indoctrinate, to teach doctrine to children.

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And the libraries, are they an extension of the school system? Because the school system is the other thing that we've.

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Yeah, they're both funded from the same source, the property taxes of the citizen. And they walk in lockstep.

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Oftentimes, class projects in schools would involve getting books from the public library.

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They're intertwined in that way. Yeah. What would you say to the argument that we need free speech in our libraries, and that that's all they're doing is protecting free speech?

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Wow, Tim made a great point. Tim, what was your point about why even have a children's section if you're going to say that it's a free speech issue?

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If someone was mad that someone shouldn't control what other people read, then why label something as a children's section if you're going to say this is for children and this is supposed to be for children?

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You're doing the very thing that you're saying that we can't do. Right. That's the way I looked at it. Yeah. And obviously, it's only natural and good and reasonable that you put certain content in children's sections and protect children from other things.

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They themselves know that, why they have a children's section. That's why there's a children's section. What is their argument? Yeah. How can this be a freedom of speech issue?

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We agree there should be a children's section. Sorry to cut you off. There should be a children's section. There should be a children's section.

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And we want that children's section to be protected. That's why there's a children's section to begin with.

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Yeah. That's kind of the main point. Freedom of speech isn't just carte blanche that you can yell fire in a theater and that every manner of speech is protected at all times.

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There are some things that are, there are decency laws in our country. You can't just put on pornography on television, right?

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And in the same way, children's books should be protected from that kind of content. It's actually a simple idea.

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Very. And there's people out there that would rather see a child pick up this pornographic book than the

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Bible. And that's why we're here. That's the problem. The Bible should be read, whether you do it in a children's way, but I'd rather see a kid pick up the book out of the

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Bible and read that than whatever crap they have on the shelf right now for this sanctuary. Yes.

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Let's go. All right. Where do I get interviewed?

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Anywhere. Hey. How are you? I am doing all right. How about you? Better than I deserve.

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I'm Jeff, by the way. Hi, Jeff. I'm Hannah. Nice to meet you. And what's your name? Joseph. Hi, Joseph. Nice to meet you.

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What organization do you guys? It's called TDHP. What's that? It's a podcast. Oh, cool.

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Yeah. I love podcasts. Yeah. Nice. We don't want to be too loud, so do we have a room we could sit in or a place to sit to interview you?

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Or do you want to do it right here? I was going to say, I actually have to stay with us. You have to sit there? Oh, that's fine. All right, so let's just chat.

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Okay. All right. So I had already asked her a little bit about what the sanctuary bookshelves are, and they're right over here.

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Okay. We already saw them. You haven't seen them yet? No. Why don't we go over there, and you can talk to Hannah there. Yeah, that should be great.

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This is – well, the whole library is technically a book sanctuary. Okay. These are just some of the most banned books throughout the country.

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Okay. Some of them will surprise you, like Animal Farm and Catcher in the Rye. Hmm. Yeah.

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Okay. How about the other ones you were telling me about? Okay. So Genderqueer, right there, it's a graphic memoir.

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So it basically talks about this person's life as somebody questioning their gender.

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And obviously, LGBTQ issues are a hot -button issue right now. So that's the reason that one's banned.

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Also, the reason that one's banned is because it shows diverse family types. It's like a family with two dads or a family with two moms.

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And obviously, LGBTQ. Again, people don't like that. I Am Jazz, she's a trans icon, so people don't like that.

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The fact that she was born a male and now lives as a female because she is a female. Diary of Anne Frank is another one.

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Why is that banned? So that one's banned because there is actually technically some explicit content at some points.

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Really? Like Anne fantasizing about romantic things. But, I mean, she's a teenage girl.

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What do you expect? So, the Satanic Verses is another one.

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It was actually written by an Islamic author. And it is very criticized in his native country and in Islamic circles.

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But it's also banned here a lot, actually. And Captain Underpants is one that might surprise you.

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So you were telling me Captain Underpants is when the kids touch a principal, he turns into it.

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No, snap their fingers. They snap their fingers. Their principal turns into a superhero, Captain Underpants, who fights absurd kinds of crime in his underwear.

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Okay, what is this one here? The Beyond Magenta. So that is about, it's basically pieces, essays, written by transgender teenagers.

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So it not only encompasses transgender issues, LGBTQ issues, but also the idea that anyone under the age of 18 should not understand their own gender identity, which is completely false.

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What about The Bluest Eye? Is it Toni Morrison? Yeah, I'm not sure about that one, actually.

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Some of these I'm not sure why they're banned. Like, Catcher in the Rye. I'm not sure why that one is banned.

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At least as often as it is. What do you think the objection to Beyond Magenta might be from parents?

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So I think the objection would probably be the fact that teenagers are identifying as transgender.

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That's a big one. Because a lot of parents don't seem to like the fact that their teens can understand their gender identity better than the parents can understand their gender identity.

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Another thing they might not like is the fact that it is about teenagers who have that experience.

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So if their teen gets a hold of it, they'll be like, oh my gosh, people like me. Parents don't seem to want to be supportive of that.

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Do you think there are teenagers who feel like they're in the wrong body, but then later feel like they're in the right body?

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So it depends. Honestly, it's personal. It's completely personal.

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My best friend is transgender. And he's known since we were in high school, for example. But I've known people who haven't known until they were adults.

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Like older adults in their 50s and 60s. There was a woman who, when she was growing up, she felt like she was in the wrong body.

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She was a girl. And she only wanted to play with boy toys and always wanted to dress as a boy.

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And she actually became very distressed when she started to form breasts. And so many people today might give a book like this that would teach her that actually she's physically in the wrong body.

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But her mom actually said, God doesn't make mistakes. He made you as you are. And as she grew, the hormones changed, going through puberty, getting older, considering the world as God made it.

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And she describes herself now as a very girly girl. Because things changed as she matured and she came to understand the world as God made it.

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How do you think a book like this might have changed her if the mom said, Hey, honey, you're in the wrong body.

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Read this. Versus if she said, God doesn't make mistakes. So I would say it depends on the person.

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There are some people who are very, they have their deep religious convictions. And they say,

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God doesn't make mistakes. And then their child realizes, okay, that might be true for me.

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There are also people who, if they hear God doesn't make mistakes, they'll be like, Well, God must not have put this thought in my head by mistake.

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Interesting. So. So the thought might be the problem? So I'm saying that people who think

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God doesn't make mistakes, they think the thought isn't a mistake. Yeah. So therefore, if God doesn't make mistakes, then they are thinking this for a reason.

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Right. So in Christian theology, God is the author of a perfect world. And he created everything in a perfect, beautiful design.

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But what happens is because of human sinfulness, people rebel against God's design.

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And that's Genesis chapter three. But because of that, people's thinking is often turned against God rather than aligned to the way

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God originally designed things to be. So how would this book regard the idea that the problem is actually in the mind, not in the body.

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So it wasn't in God's design of a man or a woman, but in the thoughts about the body.

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That the problem could actually be in the thinking rather than in the biology. Honestly, so that honestly is like very personal, for example.

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Right. Like my friend, my best friend, knew he was transgender because he was very uncomfortable in his body as a female and in female spaces and having female hormones.

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He was very uncomfortable. Now that he is expressing himself truly, he feels so much better.

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He's so much more comfortable. He doesn't mind the spaces he's in. He identifies as a man and he is a lot happier for that.

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Well, so I guess the question would be like by what standard is what he's experiencing now true versus what you described as false prior when he was identifying by the gender that his chromosomes dictate.

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So the experience is more true for him because he is actually able to be true to himself.

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So he himself would be the standard of that. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So do you recognize that there's a worldview that teaches that view of truth?

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And to give a book like this to a child is to indoctrinate them into that worldview.

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We'll be right with you. I don't believe that it's an indoctrination. Okay. I believe that because the child has the freedom to explore for themselves, they can choose their own thought process.

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They can choose their own identity. They can choose their own reality. Thank you. All of that.

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So as a public library, do you have a book that would teach them a Christian worldview? Yes, we do actually.

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What is that? I mean directly to this issue. Yeah. I'm sure there's a

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Bible in the library. We definitely have a Bible. We actually have a bunch of different Christian centered books actually.

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There's a whole section for that. So let's pretend that I'm a little kid. I come walking in confused, and I ask for a book from both sides.

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Okay. Here's a book that will teach me that I'm caught in the wrong body. Can you hand me a book now that will teach me that I'm not caught in the wrong body, but the problem is this?

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Yep. We do have books like that. I don't know exactly the titles, but I know we do have them. I've seen them. I've shelved them.

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Okay. They do exist. They exist. That's part of the book sanctuary. Can I have one?

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So we're a sanctuary for everything, everyone. We're doing a story on that. Oh. Do you want to be on our story?

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Do you want to be interviewed? If you need it, I'm the library director, and you're with TDHP. So TDHP is the name of the podcast we're doing a story for.

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Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I'm happy to answer any questions. Well, sure. Well, tell us about your book sanctuary, and what's your name,

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Joan? It's Joan Serpico. My name's Joseph. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Hi. How are you? And this is

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Tim Robinson. Oh, hi. Nice to meet you all. Thank you for coming. Yeah. So the

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Morristown Board of Trustees declared in July at their board meeting through resolution that Morristown Library would become a book sanctuary.

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So what that means is things are very much the same as they've always been. Our libraries have always been about creating a space where ideas are safe, resources are safe, lots of different viewpoints, and we have an advocacy of the people's right to read what they would like to read or not read what they don't want to read.

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So that is basically the same. Declaring it a book sanctuary is a way for us to declare to the community that these are still our values, and we continue to support the freedom to read while other places are taking books off the shelf or banning them.

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Do you accept all books? We don't accept all books. We do have a collection development policy, and it's on our website.

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Okay. And that explains how books are chosen by librarians. It's usually based on reviews that are in library journals.

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Those also have age ranges where it talks about the appropriateness of the different material for different ages.

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So if you have a process to disqualify books, how does the sanctuary differ from a disqualification sentence?

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It seems like you've got one process for disqualifying, but these books, are they getting let in just because a certain group doesn't like them?

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What's the criteria? What's the standard that you're using? Oh, for the books in the book sanctuary?

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So let's take the word discrimination out of the cultural context and just use it for making choices.

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Obviously, you don't have unlimited space, so you can't have every book in the world here.

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Correct. So you have to choose some and not others. Correct. How are you making decisions to choose that some don't get in?

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I mean, it just doesn't logically fit in my mind. I'm sure you have a reason.

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Yeah, so again, it's not interesting reading, but we do have a collection development policy and it talks about how do library staff choose the books that come into the library.

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So most of it has to do with what are the bestsellers? So New York Times bestsellers, we're committed to buying all of those.

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So there's a list there and it tells you, do we have them already? Is it a bestseller that we're going to get for you?

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Right. In addition, there are a lot of journals that are published every month or every couple of weeks, and it lists books that have been reviewed by professionals in the industry and says, we recommend these books for small libraries, these books for big libraries, these books for school libraries.

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This is why they're good. And are the sanctuary books different than that? Are they outside of that scope?

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Yeah, they're not actually separate books for the book sanctuary. So it kind of looks like it is in this display, but the library as a whole has been declared as a book sanctuary.

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So what it's saying is libraries have always been about the freedom to read. We've had that in our collection development policy forever.

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Most libraries have. It declares that we'll have a variety of viewpoints and controversies, et cetera, et cetera.

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This is a place where people can read what they want. We don't tell anybody what they're reading. So the whole place continues to be that way.

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These are some books that other people somewhere in the country have said, I don't want you to have that book.

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Not us specifically, but have gone to some library and said, I want you to take that book off the shelf.

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Is it because it was paid for with taxpayer money? Is that the idea? Is that why they're asking it to be taken off?

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In most cases, people will want it taken off the shelf because it's not in tune with their own values.

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And so it makes them upset that it's available for other people to read things that aren't consistent with their values.

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And we totally get that. We also get that your neighbor has different values.

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We all have different values. So it's here. Read what you want. Don't read what you don't want.

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The reconsideration form, that's the form at the end of the collection development policy that says,

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I don't like that you have it. Because not all books are good. Not all books should be in a library.

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Like you said, there's millions and millions of books. We don't have them all. What kind of books do you consider bad that you wouldn't put in?

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If we had a reconsideration form that basically said, this book is no longer accurate, we might look at that book and say, yeah, when we bought it, it was fine.

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But now it's not. So maybe we should consider taking it out. What's the standard for accuracy?

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Well, it depends on the topic. So say, for example, that we thought there was something true scientifically 10 years ago, and now it's not.

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And the book doesn't appear to be a historical review of that topic. But it seems to be talking about what it's like today.

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So all fiction is good. I wouldn't say all fiction is good. We don't buy all fiction. But we do buy the fiction that professionals have read and reviewed and said that it has value.

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We read about why they said it has value. Because we have 90 ,000 to 100 ,000 items, but we don't have enough room for all.

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We don't even have room for all the stuff that people think is good. How do you become a professional? Is that the American Library Association certifies people?

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Not necessarily. Publishers are sending out information. We're publishers.

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We have a very small budget, though. But we'd be glad to recommend books. Well, book publishers are going to send their own things.

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So we understand that they're trying to sell their product. But there's a process by which, if their name is associated with it, that's kind of a filtering.

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Jeff's actually self -published 11 books. Oh, congratulations. Thank you. Very nice. Let me ask you a more concrete question, a more specific example.

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If this young person here walked in this door and was looking for information in a nonfiction sense, opened this book, and I just opened it at random, and learned that a person can be anywhere on the line, or it's like a spectrum, and you can be anywhere on the spectrum, this would be a teaching as to gender identity and that particular question.

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Do you have a book that teaches a Christian perspective on that? So clearly they would run into this.

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But my view would be that if this was my child here, I would want to help that child through the struggles of gender dysphoria.

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And many people have overcome this kind of confusion because the problem is in the mind, not the body.

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So the Christian worldview would be that it's up to us to tell the truth and to help a young person come to the knowledge of the truth for their own good, for their own benefit.

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Now I understand there's a difference of opinion here, that this book, this author, has a particular worldview. I have a particular worldview.

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Can you hand me a book comparable to this that teaches the biblical worldview on the question of transgenderism?

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Maybe. I mean, do you have a title in mind? No, I'm asking you, like, imagine that this child is the one asking.

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Well, then I would look it up in the catalog. I mean, I don't know all the books that we have on hand. Let's say they don't know anything about Christianity or secular humanism and the postmodern conception of what is true and making your own truth and things like that.

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They have no education on that. They're just struggling because they have a sense that they're in a wrong body. And so they've walked through your door and they've come up to the shelf and they've begun to look here.

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Is there anything from the Christian worldview that we would find?

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Again, there might be. I would talk with you. But I don't know all 100 ,000 titles.

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And neither does this child who's struggling. So we would go to the catalog together and we would search and we would find the different perspectives and I would take that child to the section where it talks about it and they would see the different viewpoints.

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Can we do that now? How much time do you have? Could you show me one book from the

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Christian perspective? Well, we could look in the catalog. Please, yes. Thank you. I don't know how much has already been published.

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So we have 24 books on gender or 24 items on gender identity.

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So I'm not sure how we would, I mean, I could type in Christian. I don't know. Well, I could just look at the 24 titles because I'm pretty familiar with the stronger arguments from like Rosaria Butterfield, who's written on this subject, and other

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Christian authors. Do you mind if I just peruse here? We also have something we call suggest a purchase.

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So if there is an author or a book that you think, or basically our patrons would think that we should have, then there is a form where we ask people to tell us that information.

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So who is the author? I would just suggest to you that this is not a balanced presentation of, at least the world view.

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Well, you're just looking at three of them. Well, sure, Markey and Milwaukee. Right, so there's 24 of them there.

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Transgender History. Didn't Nobody Give a Blank What Happened to Carlotta.

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Being Jazz. We're familiar with I Am Jazz in that particular book. Bellies, a novel.

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The Spirit Bears Its Teeth. Light from Uncommon Stars.

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Do you notice they're all coming from the same secular humanist postmodern world view. Tomorrow Will Be Different.

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The Pride Guide. The top ten anyway. You're familiar with that. No, I'm not familiar with all those books, but I'm just reading the title and the rainbow flags and just quick appraisal.

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Oh, so you're looking for something that has Christian in the title? Okay, this child that we're concerned about,

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I don't know where the book is. This particular child, he or she comes in to the library looking for help with gender dysphoria.

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And as a pastor, I'm teaching young people in ways that they overcome that, and there's many examples of people who do.

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Oh, you want them to not to have that. No, well, to overcome the dysphoria. Because in their mind, they're feeling trapped in the wrong body, which is a tormenting and horrible thing.

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Some of the young people have testified that their mom told them that God didn't make a mistake.

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And the young girl accepted that but still felt wrong. You know, like when she began to form breasts, she started to feel like this isn't who

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I was supposed to be. But as she went through those hormonal phases and grew into adulthood, she actually became a very girly girl and the mother of several children and writes about this and delights in motherhood.

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But if she had been given like some kind of chemical to stop puberty, she would never have born children.

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And that's what these ten books would coach her to do. Because it's a new phenomenon.

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You realize it's like it's a newcomer on the scene for thousands of years of history, and it's only because of modern technology, the ability to introduce testosterone into a female body or to perform a surgery to remove genitalia.

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Like these kinds of things are a modern phenom. They're not time tested. Well, I would suggest if, you know, once you look at what we have in totality, if there's something that you would recommend that we add, it's.

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Well, this is the top 10. Well, it's, I mean, it looks like there's actually 108, but there is something.

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And please do give me one. I'll wait. It's fine if you have one. I don't know. I could recommend Rosaria Butterfield.

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She was a Syracuse professor and a lesbian who has written several books now having become a

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Christian. Okay. James White. There's many others that have written. I could give a list.

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Actually, I can email that to you. Let me get my card. Yes. And then you can send them our way.

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What we basically do for suggestive purchase is also look at the reviews. And then if it kind of passes that screening that we do for all books, then we add it in.

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So it's right over here. Okay. I was kind of in a meeting.

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Is there anything else I can help you with? You've been very helpful. Yeah. Thank you so much for your time. We do appreciate it. Thank you for coming.

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Come back anytime. Absolutely. We do want you to be aware that many of the constituents in Morristown and people who attend churches and are taxpayers hold to the

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Christian worldview. It's probably a 50 -50 sort of split between the secular humanist kind of worldview.

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But we would say that there are some books, even if it's differing from us, it might become inappropriate. So books that depict sexual acts or even describe them in words can be pornographic through language, even if not through pictures.

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So some of the people who are calling for quote -unquote book bans are concerned about exposing children to content that would be bad for their development.

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So it's not always catcher in the rye. It's a lot of different things.

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It could be books that actually depict sexual acts and things like that. Joe has provided a top ten list of the most commonly censored books where submissions have been made to libraries, and actually

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Catcher in the Rye is not on that. Yeah, these are not the top ten. No, the genderqueer one and this one about blue eyes.

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The bluest eye. The bluest eye. That is one of the ones. But we think for good reason. I understand.

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Thank you for hearing us. Yes, and I look forward to your list. I will send you, yes, a list of books that we could put out here.

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Is this catalog online too? It is, yes. Okay. So if you go to the library's website right at the top, you can search the catalog with whatever terms you'd like.

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Awesome. Yeah. Great. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. You know what?

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Really nice lady. I'm grateful we got to talk to both people, and they sound like we can work with them and do some good.

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So they might be, heck, we might get your books on the shelf. I think that's what we should do, recommend your books.

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Yeah, there you go. Faith is not blind. Faith is not blind. Did you talk about this in one of your 11 books? No. Maybe that will be book number 12.

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Book number 12 coming out soon. Now that we can get you in the library. That's good. All right.

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I guess we're done. All right. All right. When you see a breath down, lift them up.

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You see a high place, tear it down. You know, it's amazing how much fun we have as we document the end of Western civilization.

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All right, a little post -show show, a little post -game. We were in there. Did a great job, guys.

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You too, Joe. Great idea. Yeah, well. Just go to the high place. Just find the high place.

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They find us. Yeah. Like I said, though, it's amazing how much fun we have documenting the end of Western civilization.

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It really is. You walk into that. What's different about that and an indoctrination camp? Nothing. I mean, they are literally teaching kids all this evil stuff.

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I can't go to the Cherry Hill Library either. I've taken my daughter there, and she's just pulled books off the shelf that are just insane.

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One book she pulled off the title was like everything a young teenage girl needs to know.

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Guess what it was about. No, guess who it was written by. You have to tell us. Margaret Sanger.

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Murderous, racist, eugenics. The founder. Oh, she just gave us the bird,

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I think. I think she gave us the finger or she walked by. Apart for the course. That's okay.

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Hey, love your enemy. Yeah, so. Who was

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I? I was talking about Margaret Sanger. Founder of Planned Parenthood, man. Yeah, and just like three other books, and then we gave up.

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We're just like, no need. No need. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's a shame.

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We should talk to the old Haddon Heights school about maybe helping them with their library now that they're not going to have a school.

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Why would they need a library now? To have kids go on the weekend. I don't know. Oh, yeah, start a public library there.

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We should. We should get their books. We should get a library somewhere in town. We should have a fundraiser to get that library going.

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What we need is a parallel economy. Christian parallel economy. Everything. Yeah. We need a

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Christian library somewhere in this area. Especially searching. There isn't one close around, probably. No. Heck no.

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Wouldn't that be great, though? You could send your kids and you know that the books are safe for them to just explore and find.

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Well, yeah, it's funny. We used to criticize, at least I did, the local Christian bookstores for having so many liberal

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Christian books. Yeah. And now those bookstores aren't even here. They're all gone. Yeah. Sunshine, Christian store.

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Gone. Gone. And then, you know, I tell you what, thinking about just this podcast, and thank you everyone who's out there sharing it with people.

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We know you guys do share it a lot, but isn't it interesting that the only time we get a bunch of hits is when we are talking about another

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Christian? Hmm. Paul Tripp or Alistair Begg. Whenever they compromise, yeah.

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Anytime we document internal Christian compromise, which is we should do, instead of, you know, the culture.

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Anytime we talk bad about the culture, man. Yeah. Nobody sees the podcast. YouTube's on to you,

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Joe. It's on to you, buddy. It's on to all of us. We're still fighting the power, tearing down the high places.

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One high place at a time. One high place at a time. Changing the world that way. Yep. Yeah. I think the answer is for godly

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Christians to have as many kids as possible. Raise them in the Lord, and let the culture of death peter out.

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Yes. Because if you're all about abortion and changing your gender and sterilizing children, that's the end of that population.

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Yep. That doesn't go anywhere. No. So over the next, it would only take one generation for us to win this culture war. Actually, I saw some statistics.

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There was a guy on CrossPolitik that said it would be two generations. Two generations. And the problem is, and we should have been able to do that many decades ago, the problem is public schools.

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If we took the kids out of public schools, Yep. because, I mean, there's no other reason for them to go off to college and lose faith in Christ.

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But they do. At massive percentages, like 80%, I think. Am I wrong on that?

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I don't know. But it's, yeah. Beamer and Answers in Genesis, they did some stats on it, already gone, that many of these kids were already believing secular worldview before they went off to college.

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And college was just like the nail in the coffin. They were sort of going through the motions in high school. So we got to hold on to them and give them the

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Christian biblical worldview while we still have them. Yeah, they might have accepted fire insurance, but they weren't ready to die for the truth.

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They didn't understand Christian ethics. Certainly not ready to die for the truth. Yeah. The poor young lady that we just spoke to earlier today probably didn't understand how postmodernism formed her view of truth.

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Right. That truth is just relative. You create it. It comes from within. But that's a philosophical preconception that she's imbibed from the culture.

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Whereas truth actually is objective because there is a God who made things as they are.

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Right. Well, that's why they don't see a problem with having multiple sets of morality. Right. And if we don't have one set of morality, how the heck are we supposed to have a library together?

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Right. Yeah. There's no way. Well, she, the main librarian there, had to admit this idea of our perspective having a voice and a seat at the table.

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Yeah. Now, the truth of it is it was 24 for 24. It was all leftist propaganda. Yeah. And the Christian worldview had zero seat at the table.

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But by her worldview, she has to allow us the same room at the table.

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We need to have Christian books side by side with these secular books. You know, I bet you she's a gray or blue church goer, and she's thinking we're like Westboro Baptist.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Which we're not, by the way. Are we? No. Okay, good.

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Westboro Baptist. Yeah, just don't check. Go past the labels, people.

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It's as simple as the Bible tells the truth. Mm -hmm. Yeah. All of these wars are a war against the

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Bible. That's really the bottom line. They're rejecting what God says. Hath God really said? Hath God really said?

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It's been going all the way back to Genesis chapter 3. Yeah. That's all this is. All right, let's tear it down again.

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No, I'm not going to. We're going to tear it down. No, we got to keep that one. That was the best one ever. But we came out and we went in. That's fine. We'll figure it out.

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Yeah. All right. This is how you pick a brother up. Yeah. There we go. Pick me up, man.

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Pick me up. He said, you're too heavy, average