Stories From A Hero
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Watch the new video from Apologia Studios. This clip is from an important event at the beginning of the year. Jeff Durbin and Luke Pierson interview Rusty Thomas in Oklahoma. Rusty Thomas is a hero of the Faith and has saved thousands. This is his story. We hope that it blesses you and gets you involved. Be sure to share it!
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- So I'm gonna bring up in a moment here a Rusty Thomas. I will many some of you guys probably heard this story before but Was friends with Marcus and he sent me a private screening of babies are murdered here.
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- This is many years ago I dropped my kids off their homeschool. They have a co -op and so I drove across town.
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- I dropped the kids off I see Marcus's message come in the Dropbox file. I can preview babies are murdered here before everyone else sees it and I'm In my car after I dropped my kids off I did not know who rusty
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- Thomas was but I sat there in the parking lot and I watched babies are murdered here in the parking lot of my children's co -op all the way through and There are moments in my life
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- That I can mark is very profound that feel like yesterday that were totally transformative for me moments
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- Not a lot, but you know There's spots there and I can always point to those moments where God something did something
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- Enormous in my life to change my heart to change my mind To put me on a new course that affected so much of where you see
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- We are today and this was one of those moments again never had known who rusty was but I'm in my car and I'm watching rusty preach and My life was totally transformed from that moment in my car watching on my smartphone from a
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- Dropbox file I resemble I was in my car and I was weeping
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- Weeping during that sermon and I became completely convicted and challenged
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- I would have identified My whole Christian life as pro -life I would have told you that abortion is wrong and every year
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- I think even from we planted apology at church We it wasn't many years before he started this but on a particular
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- Sunday, I would preach a pro -life Sermon, which is the norm right you preach that pro -life sermon on that day
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- You talk all pro -life issues at Starbucks and in your Christian bubble and that's pretty much the extent of it and after God used rusty's sermon in my life, it went from Starbucks To our little huddle to the world and it was because of a very faithful message
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- Preacher rusty thomas who has now become one of my friends solid brother and a mentor and father in the faith
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- So rusty thomas, come on up brother And I actually have a really cool two cool experiences with rusty.
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- I'll share with you just very on a personal level One is I got to sit in sheriff
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- Joe Arpaio's office For about an hour with rusty my son and sheriff
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- Joe, which I never thought how that happened, by the way I don't know. Okay It's a god thing and it was a god thing and so we were a sheriff
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- Joe for about an hour talking to him about the cause of abolition and Sad to say but I'll go ahead and share with everybody here sad to say it never happened
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- But basically he was up for re -election and he did tell us in his office that day That's if it was his last time being elected.
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- It was gonna be his last run if he was reelected He was essentially going to criminalize Abortion the doctrine of the lesser man.
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- Yeah in in in Maricopa County in Phoenix he was just essentially gonna wave the banner of him as sheriff
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- Joe and toughest sheriff in America and he was just essentially gonna say no more abortions allowed and then
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- George Soros funded his opponents campaign and he won and so sheriff
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- Joe didn't but It was actually an amazing experience to see that if you get in front of a sheriff like sheriff
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- Joe He was willing to actually put his neck out and say I'll stop the murder of children in Maricopa County Unfortunately in God's providence.
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- He wasn't allowed to be sheriff again, but it did open my eyes to something These sheriffs are out there and I think that they will do their duty if Christians will get in front of them and call them to consistency, so that was my first story with With with rusty second one is fairly recently.
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- We had a difficult last couple of months of ministry I don't think I told you this but I had all this stuff going on in my head, you know
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- Just praying and everything else I said that one rusty and I was there to minister to him and it turned into two hours of him
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- Basically telling me everything that was in my head. It was one of the most divine things in my life
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- I just wanted to share that with you. It was really crazy I was there for you. And the next thing you know is two hours of you Ministering to me and telling me everything that I've been praying about and thinking about I don't know if you saw my face
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- The two hours we were sitting there and having lunch together I I don't know if I looked like a deer in the headlights
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- But I was thinking how does he know everything that I've been asking God about and you just were Speaking to me and I was supposed to be there for you.
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- So, I'm sorry. Were you there you were there? You were all right, and that meant a lot meant a lot to not just me personally but my family
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- So rusty You've been doing this for a very very long time
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- Go ahead and tell us. What is this? What does this mean to you to see a Consistent bill to listen to Senator Silk a moment ago
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- What where in the world did he come from? Well, we we had been praying for him a long time
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- I know we didn't know it was him. Yeah, but the prayers were there for a very long time, right? Yeah Well, what's it mean to you to see all this coming to fruition?
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- I mean you've been standing outside of abortion mills with the ashes of dead babies falling on your head
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- What's this mean to you to see all this? Wow Well, we started
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- Jeff I think a lot of us that are older in this room a lot of us got birth in this battle in the fall of 1988 at the
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- Atlanta Democratic National Convention and My own personal story was
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- I Was always a preacher of righteousness. I was a pastor. I was an evangelist
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- I didn't shy away from the burning issues of the day and I even back then I was saying abortion was murder
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- And of course there was a huge struggle because I was saying one thing but I was living
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- Entirely different kind of life and so my rhetoric and my actions were not consistent with the
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- Almighty and So the way the Lord kind of Did some things that actually set me up as he
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- I? Came across this videotape called the massacre of innocence
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- And up to that point abortion was something we kind of argued about you know, you had pro -life rebuttals to pro -choice
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- Arguments and things of this nature. So it was an issue We debated like back and forth but up until that time
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- I had never seen an abortion And so this pastor friend
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- I call him a friend. He absolutely ruined my life Because he gave me that videotape and so one night
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- I was all alone and and put the tape on and It was first theological.
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- It was doctrinal. It was tracing the roots of child sacrifice the shedding of innocent blood
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- Biblically, and he did a tremendous job. It was Eric Holmberg did a tremendous job
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- Biblically, but it was the latter part of the video that it was my
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- Isaiah 6 moment where I literally had saw the Lord and His mind towards this and so he had this
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- The old rocker Pat Benatar and she had a song about child abuse called.
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- Hell is for children and Every time she screams hell is for children
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- There were like pictures Of a boarded baby, and I'm I'm literally seeing like arms and Legs like severed from the torso
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- Decapitated heads and it was like blood everywhere To tell you
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- I was not prepared for that assault upon my mind my emotions my inner man,
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- I Just it was too much and I literally turned off the tape.
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- I Ran into my bedroom and I just lied Prostrate before God and I'm talking about a wailing so intense that my chest hurt
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- It was like an accordion like there was sounds coming out of me like a wounded animal I couldn't believe this nation that I loved had sunk to this level of Depravity and wickedness and so I was undone.
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- I was literally Undone and then a week later.
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- I'm watching TV I'm watching Christians at death camps
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- Singing praises to God praying and being arrested and hauled away from death camps living out the doctrine of interposition to save these babies lives and I'm like what meaneth this and Then a week later.
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- This all happened within three weeks a Week later I get a knock at a door from a local pastor
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- And he asks me am I the pastor of this church? And I said, yes, sir. I am. He says we need to talk
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- And I said talk about what he said. I just got back from Atlanta you
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- Were in Atlanta And he said yes, sir, and as soon as he said that the tears started to streaming down my face, yes, sir
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- We have to talk What is happening? What's going on here? He said
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- I'll tell you what's happening Is God is birthing a spirit of repentance in the
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- Church of the Living God Because up to this point we had pointed our finger at the
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- Supreme Court We pointed our finger at the pro -choice groups. We pointed our finger at the usual suspects
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- But this is the first time we're pointing the finger at the Church of the
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- Living God And God used that to birth repentance and the fruit of the repentance was living out the doctrine of interposition and so brother that was that was the start of Actually awakening the evangelical church to the evils of abortion
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- Now through the years, obviously, it's going up and down and back and forth and things of this nature
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- And when we started we could only see from afar What is taking place right now and then through the years
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- God has raised up Different brothers and different sisters I mean the work that was started here in Oklahoma with the abolitionist movement
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- With men like Russell Hunter and Josh Malone and others in this area
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- No, we in the rescue movement had the same biblical principles
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- There was no compromise no exceptions But I gotta tell you there was men like Russell and others that God used to really tighten and refine the language and the
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- Terminology and the tighten up the principles and then all of a sudden, you know
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- God uses pastor Matt Chuella Who you know produces this?
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- Tremendous work the doctrine of the lesser magistrate and as far as I am concerned
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- That is the book for this time in our in our nation's history
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- And so what has happened
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- You have this sort of the old -time Rescuers who always believe these things to be true
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- But through others like Russell like pastor Matt like others they actually took those biblical principles and Created a platform
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- That we can now stand on those principles and bring it into the political realm
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- This is huge. One of the reasons why I never fought the battle Politically, I always fought it culturally.
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- I always fought it You know fought it on the streets and then the churches one of the reasons why we could not
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- According to conscience fight this battle Biblically Politically is because we were compromised to our core
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- We were making deals with the devil that God did not give us the moral authority to make and so So when these brothers came along they literally what they provided for the
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- Church of Jesus Christ is a solid foundation that honors the
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- Lord that upholds his truth and his Commandment and now we're bringing it into the political realm to once again
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- Disciple the magistrate and call them to do their duty Which is to use their lawful authority to interpose to welcome these children
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- Into this life and protect them by law Huge so people may not be able to tell from your hat.
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- You're a Texan Where's Russ? Where is he? You guys are kind of in a race to see who will be the first state right you're trying anyways
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- The first state to abolish abortion. I think we're all sort of competitive by nature
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- You guys but here's the thing though Russ has helped us in Texas and of course we help you out here
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- Absolutely, you guys have the anti Joseph Silk there in Texas. Don't you an anti Joseph?
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- So yeah, who's that Senator Leach? Oh, Lord have mercy. Did you have to bring that?
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- Well, here's what I want to ask you. What can what can Texans or non Texans do to help you guys in,
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- Texas? And you're fighting what you got going on Okay, well just give you a little update on that First of all
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- Thank you for all of you that reached out to our family when we went through our situation with our son
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- Jeremiah and I do want you to know that God did not waste his life nor his death and God powerfully used it in the state of,
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- Texas and And you're going to be interviewing Bradley Pierce right after me and he was and he was very instrumental
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- In taking what God worked through Jeremiah To build a little army in the state of,
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- Texas with the Jeremiah wish campaign and He'll tell you more how
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- God prospered that how many saw the the actual hearing in,
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- Texas when hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of abolitionists
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- Addressed that committee. It might have been a world record.
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- I don't know. It might be one of the longest hearings on In history because we started in the evening and we didn't end till like three or four o 'clock in the morning.
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- I mean Incredible now we did make history. That was the first time a bill of abolition
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- Was allowed a hearing and God's people showed up in force and And I believe it was
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- Thomas Hoffling who has run for president under the American Party He says he said before the committee there.
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- Do you recognize? What's happening right now? Are you hearing what is happening?
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- He said this is the death rattle of the pro -life movement and you don't even know it
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- You don't even know it, but it's happening And I gotta tell you brothers and sisters the toothpaste is out of the tube and it's not going back in This is the future in Jesus mighty name you mark it down Amen, the train is leaving the station and it's time to get on board but anyway
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- You know, Jeff Leach was very Personable He was patient he was somewhat kind and He was
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- You know patronizing to Kendra and I over the loss of our son and And we appreciated that honestly we did but the fact of the matter is
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- When it came to a bill of abolition That would completely outlawed abortion in the state of Texas.
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- He said because there's a penalty against the woman
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- I Cannot in good conscience support the bill So he allowed that bill to die in Committee so it never got out so people can vote on it but I got to tell you brothers and sisters these bills of abolition are so critically important because what
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- Luke is getting Here at is that there are there are pro -life politicians
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- Who I truly believe Want to end the suffering and the injustice against the pre -born
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- But they're getting their marching orders from pro -life organizations that Allow them an easier way to deal with this issue
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- So one of the things that the bill of abolition does it does separate the wheat from the chaff?
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- Do you understand what I mean? It begins to expose those who say they're pro -life only to get votes
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- For their campaign and check it off Okay, and so Jeff Leach really was
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- Exposed now here's the irony of it. He is now known as a pro -life champion in Texas getting all kinds of Awards and yet it was him and his committee that killed allowed to die
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- The only bill that would actually have ended the suffering and the injustice against the pre -born
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- And so that's being exposed right now Can I have you stress that again especially for people who are maybe just jumping on this live stream that missed the first half as we're talking about the pro -life lobbying the pro -life industry their methodology
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- I Saw Leach at the
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- March for life do a live stream and I struggled to watch it.
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- I really did. I want to pray for the man I want to show as much respect and as grace towards him as I possibly can
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- But I know that he's responsible for stopping the bill that would have actually ended and criminalized abortion in the state of Texas And he was doing a live stream talking about life and pro -life and these different things were in Washington all the while He stopped the bill that would have criminalized and ended it.
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- Yeah, that's a heavy weight on his shoulders that he will answer for It's a hundred and ten thousand
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- Children, yeah that will be butchered in the state of Texas and we have to wait two more years
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- Before we can address it and and put forth another bill. Yeah of abolition.
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- So we pray for his repentance But he is responsible And again as people are getting on to this live stream where they're hearing about this for the first time we are
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- Really criticizing the pro -life movement and we're making we're doing a lot to expose the inconsistencies, right?
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- But it is ultimately the inconsistencies the pro -life movement the pro -life legislators that is ultimately keeping abortion from being ended and abolished and so a man like Leach is
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- Responsible in Texas for he's the he's the pro -life champion That stopped the bill to criminalize and end abortion.
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- I know it seems tinfoil hat. It seems conspiracy theory It seems like that's wild and it can't be the case
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- But it is the case that the pro -life movement is keeping abortion alive Just to give you sort of a biblical narrative
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- You know you think about the Apostle Paul You know where he's starting his great missionary work, right and so he's blazing a trail
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- He's introducing the gospel of the kingdom into the world God is establishing his beachhead these local churches throughout his missionary journeys and Who comes behind him?
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- to undo and destroy the work the Judaizers The Judaizers right
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- To to to get everybody back on the religious reservation right and So literally this is what we're seeing as we're moving throughout the land from city to city state to state introducing this movement of abolition who are the ones following behind to make sure the
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- Legislators and make sure the magistrates get back on the pro -life reservation
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- It is these pro -life organizations. And so here's here's the problem guys
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- See this is a cozy arrangement where everybody gets what they want, right? So the pro -life politician gets their vote the pro -life and pro -family groups get money
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- They take pictures together One provides cover for the other
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- Everybody gets what they want except the one who needs our help the most and that is that pre -born child and So I got to tell you
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- This unholy Alliance needs to be broken in the mighty name of Jesus And we got to get back to God's program
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- Which honestly what we're seeking is three things States city -county states
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- Ignore -all Establish justice and Abolish all abortion now
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- That is the message. That is the mission and the Church of Jesus Christ We need to get back to God and fight this battle his way
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- With his tools and his word that he has granted to us no more compromise
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- No more Regulating baby murder rise up and end it once and for all in Jesus name