2023 Laborers' Conference- Session 4 The Government

Hold on, Ryan. We're good? Sorry about that technical glitch. We are back with the

Laborers' Conference 2023. My name is Tyler Nubley with Bread of the Word Podcast, and I'm here with Mr.

Jeremy Hulls from Faith Reform Baptist Church. We just had our first session. Claude Ramsey preached on Psalm 110 and the reality that Christ is

Lord and that informs everything we think and do. We had breakout groups corresponding to that.

And so now we are getting ready for our second session, and Mr. Dan Self is going to be preaching on the role of the government and the authority of Christ over the government.

And I am sure that we had dinner with him last night, that we will probably end up on the subject of theonomy and what exactly it would look like for Christ to rule over the government.

What do you think, Jeremy? Well, you know, I spoke with Dan a little bit last night about that issue, and I think we're in agreement on it.

I don't want to try to steal his thunder or anything, but it didn't seem like he held necessarily a theonomic modern -day interpretation of that word position, but we'll see.

We'll see. Sure, it has to come up. I mean, it would come up if I was teaching the government from Christ's rule.

But no, I'm actually very excited. Claude did an amazing job earlier too, especially when he went to that Oral Review of all the books and showed

Christ and all of that. It was a blessing. That it was.

I've not been through Psalm 110 in a while, so it's a beautiful passage.

Yeah, I've heard it said that's God's favorite verse. I think

I've heard that too. I think it's quoted more times in the New Testament than any other passage in the Old Testament.

God's favorite Psalm. God's favorite Psalm, Psalm 110. Is that a text that you've walked through at Faith Performed?

No, but I touched on it. I actually touched on it when I was just preaching on patience. I touched on the fact that Christ is called the priest after the order of Melchizedek.

That comes right there from that passage. Obviously, that's quoted in our

New Covenant over and over and over again. But no, I haven't went through it.

The only thing we've been through is Romans. Romans is a big book.

In my breakout group, we were talking about the believers' battle with sin, so we went to Romans 8.

Honestly, the whole thing was really a Q &A. I talked for about 15 minutes, and the rest was questions and some of that.

Nobody had any questions for me, unfortunately. Well, I think the first person to ask a question was

Claude, so he had to break the ice there. All in all, it's shaping up to be a great conference.

It's been great so far. I am looking forward to the rest of today. We've got

Dan on deck talking about the governments, and then we have Jonathan talking about the home after lunch.

What is he talking about? On the home. Oh, okay, okay. He's preaching on—

My brain just blanked here. On making disciples in the home.

I'm back. Yeah, I think that's where our

Christianity starts at, right? I would agree. Yeah, that's our— I just said it the other week.

I can't remember if it was last Sunday or the Sunday before. That's our Jerusalem. As you know, we'll be witnesses unto him in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and to the uttermost parts of the world.

That's our Jerusalem is our home. I like that illustration. I've not heard that before, but I like that.

Yeah, that's where we started. That's where our Christianity starts is right there in our home. I think the call to a pastor, one of the qualifications is to lead his household.

Yes, I would agree. If you can't manage your own household well, how are you going to manage the church of God?

It starts right there. It starts in your home. If you're not managing your home well, then you shouldn't be trying to manage the household of God.

I would definitely agree there. I think that's one of the great challenges of our day is that specific facet of applying the gospel, is applying it in the home.

Yeah, yeah. I'm really excited about Dan's message here.

It's a very timely topic, and Dan is the one to give it. Yeah. He said, you know what?

I have to pick the Presbyterian to preach on the government. He didn't pick that one,

I don't think. I think he was volunteered for that one. Yeah, I was volunteered for mine, too, with the title and everything. I told

Claude volunteered himself for Psalm 110, it sounds like. Yeah, that he did.

Some of us did. I volunteered to cover suffering, so we'll see how that goes.

Yeah. That will go right along with patience. Definitely.

Yeah. That's where our patience is most shown, displayed, is in our suffering.

When everything's going good, we don't need much patience, right? Absolutely.

I think that applies to the government, too, doesn't it? It caused a lot of our turmoil and suffering.

You got one of those breakout topics that kind of fits into every category, didn't you? Yeah. That's why

I said, you know, I could have went 100 different ways with that message. There's certain things, when you talk about government, the only thing he's going to be able to talk about is government.

When you talk about patience, you could go any which way with that. It was a good time.

I think your title was being patience in the midst of my enemies or something?

I was living in the victory of Christ when evil surrounds me. Did you go to Psalm 23 at all?

No. No? Went to Psalm 22. Ah. Went to Genesis 3,

Genesis 12, Genesis 15, and just kind of worked through patience from our forefathers in faith.

Patience in the fact that, and I went to Hebrews 11 where it says all these died in faith, not having received the promise.

Love that phrase. Died in faith. God made them promises and they had to be patient to get those promises.

Well, they died not even having received those promises. And now we, in a new covenant, we have promises as God's given us.

And some of it, we might die before we see those promises fulfilled. And it's just being patient with the

Lord, waiting on the Lord. One of my favorite passages in scripture would have to be

Colossians 3, 1 through 4. If you are raised with Christ, seek the things that are above where Christ sits at the right hand of God.

Set your minds on the things of heaven, not on the things of earth, for you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

And when Christ, who is your life, appears, you shall appear with him in glory. Yeah.

I mean, that's a future promise, right? Future promise. It's a present promise and a future promise. Live in Christ, die in Christ, be raised with Christ.

Yeah, that's awesome. Um, actually reminded me of another verse.

Maybe it's like, I got it on my phone.

Maybe talk, feel, feel some air there. Um, if you've been raised with Christ. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Um, Ephesians chapter two. That's what I was thinking of Ephesians chapter two. It goes, um, but God being rich in mercy, because it's a great level with,

I'm going to, I told you about this. I was reading NASB. My mouth wanted to say, where with, and it wasn't there.

So I changed the KGB, but God who is rich in mercy for his great love over. If he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, have quickened us, has made us alive together with Christ by grace.

Are you saved? And have raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come, he might show forth the exceeding riches of his grace and his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

That, you know, people bring this up a lot, but I think it's, it's brought up a lot because it's important that it says he has raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ.

Jesus is present tense. Like, and I would often say in the mind of God, you're already, it's already done.

Now it's a present reality in that sense, but it's also a future reality in the sense that I'm not really there yet.

Right. Almost, but not yet. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I think

Romans chapter eight, when I preached through Romans chapter eight, I spent some time right there in Ephesians chapter two, because it kind of, there's portions there that parallel and that, if you will call it already, not yet.

I know a lot of people use that kind of like a scapegoat to get out of talking about certain things, but should we switch over to those?

I do believe it is time. So let's head over to the laborers conference.

All right. A baby baptized in Presbyterian. So, but this is one of those things.

And I, and that's why I'm saying we can, we can chat each other a little bit, but Dan likes to deer hunt and likes to Turkey hunt.

So I love him. Right. More importantly, Dan and his beautiful wife, they stand for Christ.

Amen. And we, we have those things that we, we had a conversation, you know, a couple months back on baptism.

We did, we had the Presbyterian perspective and we had a Baptist perspective and a reform perspective, whatever we had, those things that went back and forth.

And it was a strong conversation. At the end of the day, we love each other. So Dan, we love you, man.

Dan's a church planter. I'm so proud of him in that. That's something, of course, as church planters, just like Claude and just like Jeremy, a lot of these guys, you may not have known that, but we're church planters too.

That's another powerful thing we have in common. And we want to make,

John is leading the next breakout at first Baptist. John, give us a five second overview. What you're going to be talking about when it's okay to disobey government.

All right. So that'll be at first Baptist, Jesse real quick, like five second, what you're going to be doing your breakout on.

That's right. So a Christian's role in politics or when it's okay to disobey government.

So that's your two choices for breakout. And we are trying to record these. We're still trying to figure out a couple of these things.

So you'll be able to follow up. If you miss one breakout, want to do the other one, you know, that kind of stuff. You'll be able to go back and watch.

Come ahead, brother, make yourself at home. And by the way, for the clock, I'd Baptist in the room.

Just don't worry about it. Okay. We'll, we'll be done when we're done. I'm just kidding. Dan's going to wrap up.

I told him 12, 20, you know, something like that. Don't feel rushed.

You preach till you're done. I don't want you to miss out on anything. Okay. And we'll just adjust our schedule as we go.

So those of you that aren't used to that vertical life, folks are used to that. Okay. It's just normal. All right.

So for everyone else, it's opportunity to be sanctified today. Hallelujah. Right. So just ride this train.

All right. We want you to get all you can get. You showed up. You're here. We want you to be blessed. And so just hang right in there.

We'll adjust as the Lord leads. All right. So don't cut any shortcuts. All right. Morning.

It is. it's on.

Talk, talk some more. Coming through a little bit, a little bit more. There we go.

I got a big head. It's just holding it farther away from my mouth. So, so, when

I was tasked to speak on the government, I got a little glimmer in my eye as one of the things that reformed

Presbyterians love to talk about is government. We do so because we have some, some distinctives that make us different from the rest of Presbyterians.

Not that we're all that much different, but one of the things is the government and how it relates to Christ.

So, when I got to thinking about the government, I had many, many questions. And, call me crazy, but one of the most important, not important, but one of the weight on my mind, the heaviest, was who shot

John Fitzgerald Kennedy? I kind of want to know.

And so I got to looking at it and studying it and trying to look into the different theories on who shot

Kennedy. Came to the conclusion that it was the U .S. Treasury and the Mint that killed

John Kennedy. I have a five dollar bill in my wallet to prove it. Kind of.

Now, there's a couple pieces of evidence that led me to that conclusion.

One being the year that Kennedy died. And next, the event surrounding his death.

I'm losing it. Now, just because I had those two pieces of information on me, doesn't mean that I came to a right conclusion.

And that's the case with a lot of conspiracies. Conspiracies can go left, right, up, down, and usually they operate on the broken clock principle.

Where there's a couple things that are right, but then they're taken way out of context to where you don't understand really where you came from or where you went.

And you just end up being wrong. Now, some of my favorite of these conspiracies are this. Did you know that birds are not real?

Birds are nothing more than government drones sent out to spy on the people of America. You knew it?

Amen. Did you know, and this one's a little bit more far -fetched, but did you know that there's a crater on the moon that has a dragon -shaped mining craft from a different planet that is nine times the size of Manhattan, that is slowly hollowing out our moon and sending the materials back to the home planet?

If you didn't know, now you do. And here's one that caused me to stop and think, and we'll get a little bit more serious after this.

Did you know that our government is controlled by reptilian shapeshifters?

That the people in the highest levels of our government are actually reptiles from a different planet that shapeshifted into the form of men to work behind the scenes to subvert mankind and watch us fall?

It is the broken clock principle here because there are two points of information in that that are somewhat accurate.

Number one, that there is shapeshifting reptilians. Now, hold on a second. I'm stretching for this one, but we're going to get there.

Remember back to the Garden of Eden in Genesis chapter 3, you have Lucifer, Satan, who is the most beautiful of all angels, coming to Adam and Eve in the form of a serpent and deceiving them, wanting to see them fall, wanting to see everything that was good and glorious about God's creation taken down and eradicated.

He wanted to see it ruined. And that made me stop and think, is there a point in our heart where sin is not touched?

And the answer is no. Is there a place where Satan is not trying to ruin what

God has created? Also, no. He wishes to see it destroyed inside and out.

He wants to see the church torn apart and destroyed. He wants to see the family ripped apart.

He wants to see individuals decimated. Not only that, maybe

I do have a big head, he would very much like to see the government of men bound together to serve his purposes instead of Christ.

There is a push today by the men and women in our government to eradicate

God from our country. And it comes under something that we as Christians used to say all the time, and they've taken this phrase and twisted it, the separation of church and state.

Now the separation of church and state is a very good principle, that there are two separate spheres.

There is the church and there is the state. The state does not have power over the church, and the church does not have power over the state, because that is not how

God has set things up. He has not given ministers of the gospel, officers in the church, the power to enact laws in this country.

Nor has he given the officers of our country power to make laws and rules in the church.

And yet, when you hear separation of church and state now, what is really meant is there needs to be a separation of God and state.

I've noticed my Bible has been closed so far. This is the first topical message I've ever preached.

So I'm going to, I hope you have your running fingers on, because we're going all over the scriptures now.

We're going to start in Psalm 110. We were already there this morning, so this is going to be very brief, and we're going to move on to a lot of different places.

But I want to show you something that Claude brought out so wonderfully this morning. Because if we're going to look at and understand the government, we have to first look at and understand the world in which we live.

And we can't do that unless we look at the Christ who is Lord over everything. Look here.

The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies Your foot. So who is in charge?

It's God. And who has called Christ? It's the Trinity.

God, in all of His wonder and glory, has called Christ to come and be ruler, because He is ruler and creator over this entire world.

The people freely offer themselves on the day of power. Holy garments, and speaking of salvation here,

Christ has come and died on the cross in order to eradicate sin from the world, in order to save mankind, in order to bring a people to Himself, in order to be

Lord over all. And He goes on even farther.

Because this is not just about salvation, though it is about salvation. Look at where else this goes. Look at verse 5.

Because our brother said something very right this morning. I believe the scepter is the gospel.

But listen to what he says in verse 5. The Lord is at your right hand. He will shatter kings on the day of His wrath.

He will execute judgment among the nations, filling them with corpses.

He will shatter chiefs over the wide earth. Our God is coming.

Our Christ is returning. Jesus will come back one day, and not just individuals, but nations themselves will have to answer for how they have lived in this world.

How have we constituted ourselves as a nation? God will judge us for how we've done that.

How have our rulers ruled over us? And that is a frightening, frightening thing.

Listen with me to Matthew 28. You've probably heard that a thousand times while you've been here, and for good reason.

It's kind of the theme of the conference. Look at Matthew 28. We'll start off in verse 17.

And when they saw Him, they worshipped Him, but some doubted. And Jesus came and said to them,

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Christ.

I don't know if there's any other realm besides heaven and earth, but I venture to say that if there is, Christ has authority over those as well.

Because all things in heaven and on earth are Christ. And with that understanding, we can now look to what it means for a government to exist in God's world.

Now back in the 1600s, the Scottish covenanters struck a deal, not struck a deal, signed a covenant with the

English parliament for the nations of England, Scotland, and Ireland. And it read like this.

A solemn league and covenant for the reformation and defense of religion.

The government and the church came together to covenant between themselves in the sight of God for these purposes.

For reformation and defense of religion. The honor and happiness of the king.

And peace and safety of the three kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Ireland.

They go on to say that we, the noblemen, barons, knights, gentlemen, citizens, burgesses, ministers of the gospel, and commons of all sorts of kingdoms of England, Scotland, Ireland.

I don't know if you know anything about their hierarchy over there, but that pretty much covers it. That the folks who live in those three nations, they said this, that by the providence of God living under one king and being of one reformed religion, having before our eyes, having in front of our eyes, having the focus of what we're about to do being the glory of God, the advancement of our

Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, as well as the honor and happiness of the king's majesty and his posterity, and the true public liberty, safety, and peace of the kingdom.

They were endeavoring, they were covenanting together that church and government would in their own spheres work together to defend

Christ's religion, defend Christ's gospel, to see it go out across the earth that the church would tell its people to listen to God through the ministers of the state who were to then enact laws and rules and to reign in ways that was honoring to Christ, to seek the liberty and prosperity of all those folks who were living in those three kingdoms.

And it says this, according to the example of God's people in other nations, and upon mature deliberation, resolved and determined to enter into a mutual and solemn league.

Now that means a military alliance and covenant wherein all subscribe and each one of us for himself with hands lifted up to the most high

God. This is an act of worship. And they swore six things.

To preserve the true religion, to recognize Christ as the rightful head of the church, to recognize

God as the rightful head of government and for the people of those nations to submit to it, to not tolerate those who would subvert a proper king who is ruling as God has called him to do, to keep the league and covenant for the benefit of their children, and above all, to seek

God's power in order for them to do it. That doesn't sound anything like America.

That doesn't sound anything like England, Scotland, and Ireland right now. In the few short years after they signed this,

England, Scotland, and Ireland went back on their word and pulled out.

They no longer wanted to be in covenant with God to do things His way. So if we're going to think about how we should interact with government and how government interacts with God in His world, sometimes it's best to just burn it down and start over.

Now, I am not saying to literally burn it down and start over.

Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is perhaps we should take down some preconceived notions.

Maybe some things that we thought before we should unthink. Perhaps some things that we know that we should have been trusting in and believing in, we take and put in the forefront.

And sometimes that's going to mean that we just need to quit acting like cowards. Now, one of the distinctives of the

Reformed Presbyterian Church is the belief in the mediatorial kingship of Christ. The mediatorial kingship of Christ is, you know, some of them big words, but maybe not kingship.

Mediatorial, you can kind of figure it out. But, together, what does that mean?

I don't think many would disagree. Run with me to 1 Timothy 2.

Look at verses 1 through 7. And I'm not used to people saying stuff, so if y 'all get there and say amen, we'll be okay.

First of all, then, I urge supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people.

For kings, and all in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.

So it starts off, I'm going to pray for all people. For kings, and people in high positions.

Why? For the benefit of all of us, that we may all live in a land that is at peace.

Number one, pray for your leaders. We'll come back to that a little bit later.

But I just want to say, pray for your leaders. He says this is good in verse 3. It is pleasing in the sight of our

God and Savior, who desires all people to be saved to come to a knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men.

The man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

For this I was appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and telling the truth. I am not lying. A teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and man.

What our brother said this morning is absolutely right. Jesus is Lord. And because He is

Lord, we are responsible to Him for breathing His air and living on His planet. And because we breathe

His air and live on His planet, we have to go before Him, sins and all, and we have to stand and take the judgment that is coming our way.

We cannot stand before a holy God with that sin that is laid upon us. The only way that we can go before a holy

God is to have Christ stand in the gap. To take what was dirty and sinful and wicked and make it holy.

And the way He did that was by taking the sins of men, putting them upon Himself, and dying a death upon the cross.

Laying in the grave and then rising again three days later to stand and then sit at the right hand of the

Father in Heaven as King and Lord over all. And He takes that wonderful, blessed salvation that He's procured through His death and burial and resurrection and given it to men through faith in Jesus Christ.

To that end, we must pray for our leaders.

We must pray for those who are in charge of us, those who enact laws in our nation.

God desires presidents and senators, county commissioners down the road.

We just passed, I don't know where it is, somewhere over there. Catawba County Building. He desires folks like that to be saved.

To live in His world and rule and reign in such a way that it honors and glorifies

Christ. That is what it means for Christ to be a mediator.

To go in between those who are sinful and the one who is holy, seated upon a throne in Heaven.

Then the word kingship. Matthew 28 that I already read says all authority has been given to me in Heaven and on Earth.

Then He tells us to go and make disciples. It goes with Psalm 2.

Psalm 2 says this as well, only in different words. And He asks the question about nations and governments of the world.

Why do they fight against God? Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain?

The kings of the Earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against His anointing.

That is Christ saying, let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.

We don't want Christ to rule us. We don't want God to be in control of us.

We want to do things our own way. We want the knowledge of good and evil for ourselves. We're going to eat the fruit.

We don't care what happens. And yet, what does

God do? Verse 4, He who sits in the heavens laughs.

Could you imagine, I don't know, maybe this may hit home for some folks, but could you imagine having a whole bunch of little kids, my kids' age, have them try to revolt against you?

They're in there plotting and scheming. Oh, they're going to get it. They're going to destroy every piece of furniture we have in the house.

They're going to eat up all the snacks. I'm going to sit in my chair at home hearing them talk this over.

I'm going to laugh. It's just as silly for the nations of the earth to look at the world in which they live, to breathe the air that God has provided for them, to live on the ground, to watch the sun as it goes up and down in the sky, and to think that they can do anything other than what

Christ has commanded them to do. They cannot. Because He laughs.

And not only does He laugh, He says, you kings have to listen because not only that, but I have set my own king, as for me,

I have set my king on Zion, my holy hill. I will tell of the decree. The Lord said to me, you are my son, today

I have begotten you. Then He said this, ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, or your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possessions.

You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them into pieces like a potter's vessel. And remember what

Christ said in Matthew, all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.

It's not like He didn't ask for these nations. These are His. Because when

Christ paid for sin, He paid to have it eradicated from His world. And like the book of Hebrews says, at this point we don't see everything put under His feet, but what we do see is

Christ seated upon the throne. And it's in that that we trust.

Y 'all like Christmas, don't you? Christmas? Christmas is great. Run over to Isaiah 9.

Isaiah 9 is beautiful. You know what's great about Isaiah 9? This was right after Isaiah 8.

Isaiah 8 tells us that these are a people who are a nation of Israel who is struggling.

They don't trust in the Lord. They have broken covenant with God. And God is sending someone to punish them, the

Assyrian army, to take them off into exile. And as the

Assyrian army is there to take them away into exile, they're given a hope. In the face of one of the mightiest nations on the face of the planet at the time, we hear this.

This is their hope. Verse 6 of Isaiah 9. Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of His government and of peace there will be no end.

On the throne of David and over His kingdom to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness from this time forth and forevermore.

And how is He going to do it? The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.

The domain of Christ's kingdom is the entirety of heaven and earth.

Put those two words that we're talking about together. Mediatorial, Christ going in between and saving a people from their sin and kingship.

Christ is king over all. His kingdom stretches through heaven and earth.

Heaven, angels, demons, those who have departed, the spiritual realm.

Christ is king. The earth, the animals, the humans, those who are sinners, those who are unrepentant, those who have repented and found salvation.

Families, church, and earthly government.

The mediatorial kingship of Christ Christ says this in scriptural terms.

Romans 8. I told you to get your running fingers ready.

Romans 8. Start in verse 28. And we know that for those who love

God, all things work together for good for those who are called according to His purpose.

How many things? All things. For those whom

He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.

All things, all things work together for Christ's purposes, one of which right here it says is to see us conformed to the image of His Son.

The ruling and reigning of Christ in the world furthers, serves, places an emphasis upon His salvation of mankind.

He rules and reigns to see His purposes met. We'll continue on.

Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? Verse 33. I'll back up into 31.

I miss a whole bunch of good stuff. Back up here into verse 30. Verse 29.

For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son in order that He might be called the firstborn among many brothers.

Think of adoption. Brothers of Christ and sons and daughters of God.

Brought into the royal family in order to be princes, princesses.

Not because of anything we've done, but because of His own good pleasure. And those whom

He predestined, He also called. To those whom He called, He also justified. And those whom He justified, He also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

Definitely not Catawba County or Delaware County or whatever county we're from or the United States of America or anybody else.

But God desires even those people to repent of their sins and believe in Him.

Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died. More than that who was raised.

Who is at the right hand of the Father who is indeed interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ or tribulation or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sore?

Mm -mm. None of us. Not a single one. Because everything that goes on in this world is serving

Christ's purposes. And that is a hard statement.

A hard statement. Because it's easy to read. And it's easy to even believe that Christ would be telling the truth.

But when you look at the things that happen in the world, it kind of makes you go, mm. Makes you wonder.

But even when we wonder, we trust that Christ lives in here. In the book of Genesis, there's a young man named

Joseph who through no fault of his own, well, I don't know, maybe he was a brat.

Anyway, took off his brothers, was sold into slavery. Went down into Egypt.

He had every right to be super upset with his brothers, to hate them. Except from Christ's perspective.

He had no right to hate them from Christ's perspective. But for humanly speaking, I would be upset.

I would be very, very angry. And yet, when his father died, his brothers come to him and say, please, don't kill us.

We know that you have the authority to kill us now. And we will probably deserve it. He says, no. What you have meant for evil,

God has meant for good. Even the evil actions of men on this planet are serving the good and glorious purposes of our

God in heaven. Think of Acts 2 .23. It says that this

Jesus that was delivered up to you by the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified.

There was a people who of their own volition crucified a

Christ that they hated. And yet, this all occurred according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God.

The kingship of Christ, his ruling and reigning over the earth makes sure that his salvation goes where it should, that it is spoken where he wants it spoken, that it accomplishes everything that he wants accomplished.

Because Christ is king, the rulers of this world need to beware.

It's easy for us to think that Christ is king over his kingdom and then restrict his kingdom to the church.

It's easy to think of it that way because you come over, this may be the furthest the Presbyterians ever walked away from a podium, but it's easy to think that Christ is lord over his church and you can speak to pastors and deacons and speak to those who are in the realm of the church.

It's easy to think of it there. But since Christ is lord over, and we've gone over this many times, lord over everything, all, when we come over to this sphere and we look at the governments of this earth, they have to follow

Christ exactly as much as these folks over here do, as the church does, as we do when we come to worship

Christ on Sunday morning, when we set up our churches with elders and deacons, when we preach the word, when we administer the sacraments, these folks need the gospel.

I don't know what I did up here, but they do. They need the gospel. And why is that?

Because just as much as Christ is the head of the church, Christ is the head of all earthly government as well.

And so as we look at America, what do we have going on here?

We've got donkeys and pachyderms fighting it out. And it's ridiculous. Because not a single one of them is doing what is right.

Think of Proverbs 12 .10. Even the mercies of the wicked are cruel.

Even when our party, whatever that might mean, whenever our party does something that is right, what we think is right, but does it outside the confines of Scripture, the mercy that they believe they're giving to us, the mercy we think we might be finding in the

Republican Party, the Democratic Party is cruelty because it doesn't lead us towards Christ.

It is dangerous for us to think that we can restrict ourselves to the realm of the church when

Christ is Lord over all. He didn't say, go in and make disciples of some random nameless, baseless people.

He said, go to the nation. Disciple the nation and teach them all that I have commanded.

Oh my. Let's put some legs on it. Number one, what should we do?

When you leave here, when you walk out of here, what do you do knowing that Christ is King, that Christ is working everything out through the counsel of his own will, that he is bringing salvation to the nations?

What do we do? Number one, in regards to our government, number one, pray for your leaders. Pray for your leaders that things may go well with you.

Pray for your leaders because your leaders are one day going to have to stand before a holy

God and answer for what they've done. We see President Biden and President Harris doing things in office that I am absolutely terrified for them.

Pray for your leaders. That brings me to my second point. Do not mock your leaders. Let's Mr.

Sanders talk about the honoring of father and mother, not just your father and your mother, but honoring all who have right and just authority given by God over you.

If we know that these people will stand before a holy God and be judged one day, why are we clapping,

I did that stickers on gas pump? Why are we having signs over here somewhere that say

Biden sucks? Why did we chant from the stadiums of America, let's go brand new?

When these people will stand before a holy God one day and give an account for what they've done.

Pray for their souls. Pray that they would know the God that we worship each and every

Sunday and pray that for their benefit and your own. And also do not let them have a free pass.

When they do something that is wicked, tell them about it.

Tell them about it to someone who has prayed for their soul. But tell them about it.

You should know your county commissioners. You should know the mayors of your local town.

You should be able to set up a meeting and go talk with them and say, I'm on your side. I want you to succeed.

I want everything that you do to be wonderful and glorious. I want to see you do great things in government.

But you will not be able to do great things in government if you neglect the God who has given you the authority to enact law and find out how to help them.

Not everything that's done in government is done by a statute or an act. Some of it is just getting out there and getting people to change their minds.

Hey guys, there's already a no littering sign. Let's go clean up the river. That's a little simple thing, but still, just start small, start somewhere.

Go find your leaders and say, what can I do to help? If it's in accordance with the word of God, do it.

Glad to boil down everything I said into one thing. I didn't even put notes on this one.

If I had to boil it all down, it would be this.

I would echo what our brother said this morning. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is

Lord over everything. Because He is Lord over everything, you trust in Him.

And you trust in Him not just in your church sphere, you trust in Him in the sphere of the state as well.

You pray for your leaders. You recognize that He is mediating salvation. That Christ is going between God and man.

And He is ruling and reigning from a place of honor and power. And you trust in Him and you speak to your leaders and you pray for them.

Because they are men like us. Men in need of the

Savior. So I don't know if that muddied anything or cleared it up or whatever.

But Christ is King. The earth is the

Lord's and the fullness thereof. Let's pray. Dear Heavenly Father, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, God, we thank

You for Your great and wonderful majesty. We thank

You for Your grace towards us in Christ that You have taken sin that is ours and laid it upon Your Son and You brought salvation to a people who don't deserve it.

God, we pray that as we look to the public sphere, to the government of our nation, of our town, of our county, that we would look at it knowing that You are sovereign.

That You have given those rulers their ministry to be the sword in the world.

God, we pray for them to do so righteously. We pray for us to not look at our world flippantly, but to remember who

You are and to praise You in every aspect of our lives. In Christ's name we pray.

Amen. Praise the

Lord His mercy is more

Stronger than darkness through every morn Our sins they are many

His mercy is more What love could remember

No wrongs we have done Omniscience all -knowing

He counts not their sum Thrown into a sea without bottom or shore

Our sins they are many His mercy is more

Patience we wait as we constantly roam What Father so tender is calling us home

He welcomes the weakest, the vilest, the poor

Our sins they are many His mercy is more

Praise the Lord His mercy is more

Stronger than darkness through every morn

Our sins they are many His mercy is more

What riches of kindness He lavished on us

His blood was the pain and His life was the cost

We stood in the death we could never afford

Our sins they are many His mercy is more

Praise the Lord His mercy is more

Stronger than darkness through every morn Our sins they are many

His mercy is more Praise the Lord His mercy is more

Stronger than darkness through every morn

Our sins they are many His mercy is more

There it goes, right? Alright, we are back with the Laborers Conference 2023

Coming out of session number four With Dan Self on the government

Jeremy, do you have any comments on that? No, I thought it was very, very good

I do have, actually, I should say I don't have any comments because I do have a comment Because the people that went and listened to me

And they came back and listened to this Probably think that me and Dan talked And put our messages together

With the same verses and the same chapters Everything he was going I actually looked over at Rob at one point

Like, are you kidding me? Every verse, we kind of did it together So if you were in both sessions

You would probably think They just stole from each other But other than that, his was very good

It was Because it sounded like mine I'm just kidding Well, the best preachers sound like you, right?

That's how that works, right? I never disagree with myself yet That was an excellent delivery of the subject matter

It gets very political sometimes When you start talking about politics But I think

Dan did it quite well Keeping the gospel at the center And just kind of casting everything else aside

It was very clear, very precise Very concise

And very Christ -exalting Which can probably be very hard to do with that subject Yes And not step on toes

Or, you know, rile people up You've got to be kind of precise with your language

And with your delivery on that stuff When I had taught through Romans on bread of the word

When I got through Romans 13 I actually broke that into two weeks And so altogether it was like an hour and a half

Breaking down the role of government And the role of the church In light of the government

It ended up being a two -parter on that one But yeah, that is a loaded topic

And I think Dan did quite well in the allotted time To exposit

Christ as pertains to the government Yeah, very good So we will be heading to breakout groups

In the next few moments Fleshing that a little bit deeper

We've got, who do we have lined up? We've got Big John Jones Who will be talking about When it is biblically permissible to disobey the government

And then Jesse the Chicano Knox Will be discussing the Christian's role in politics And kind of taking it a step further than what

Dan had time for And then after that, I believe we are breaking for lunch

Yeah, we're a little behind schedule We're a little behind schedule That's what happens when you put, what, six, seven preachers in a

Tell them, oh, you've got this much time to speak It's a packed day, but we'll be breaking for lunch

We'll probably be back 2 .30ish, something like that And then we will have

Jonathan Foster preaching on the home I'm not sure which one is staying at vertical life for this next session

I don't know either I unfortunately have to get back on the road

So I've got to get home You're preaching Sunday, aren't you? Romans 11, verses 16 through 18

Does that finish Romans 11? No, not even close No, you said you had to spend two messages on that Romans 13, and I'm like, we're going to sit and spend three months on those messages, probably

We're almost done with 11, which I didn't, you know Kind of when you start the book, you're like, how far are we going to make it into this?

So we've got 36 verses in that chapter, or verse 16 through 18 Didn't you say you'd done like a thousand sermons in Romans?

No, I don't know This would be 141 141, I was not even remotely close

I just, what I did, I counted up, because I roughly have 4 ,000 words per sermon

So I did all the math on that, and it was, you know, I don't remember the math, but 250 ,000 words

And it's like, I thought, I was kind of meditating on the fact that, you know, there's no

I don't think you can hand me any other book in all of existence And I could spend three years in it every single week

And still not have it mastered And the book of Romans is that, like, I don't feel like Like, I feel like I could possibly go back and dig out more nuggets from what

I've already preached And every week, you can do that For the rest of your life

And like I said, I don't think there's another book in all of existence that you can do that with Romans is,

Romans is Romans I didn't spend three years in Romans But, yeah, it's like Claude was saying this morning

That there is a mine that we will never get to the bottom of Or a sea we'll never get to the bottom of Whichever analogy you want to use there

I think I mixed those two But, yeah, there's so much depth in these books

And we only scratched the surface I know Even in years and years and years

I mean, we have so much Not just even the scriptures So I say, you know, you can

Just take a guy, say, like Spurgeon You could read his stuff for the rest of your life Don't ever make it through all his stuff

You know, we have that, too You know, you got guys like Spurgeon and Edwards and Gill and Calvin You can just dig in for your whole lifetime

And never exhaust all of it And they're not even inspired

No Yeah, they're just speaking about the inspired word So, yeah, that was a good session there by Dan I appreciate his viewpoint on that I think as Christians I tell this to people, you know,

I think we We need to be in government We need

Christians in government Passing righteous laws The one example that always comes up We actually talked about this on Labor's podcast before William Wilberforce The abolition of slavery

He was a Christian He was influenced by Newton And that was his pastor

And he was for the abolition of slavery Because he was a Christian And he's seeing that we're all created equal

It doesn't matter our skin color The same thing we could say for abortion in our society, too

Right We need Christian men and women Contending for the faith in every facet

Yes Yeah, it's not Dan brought it up, the separation of church and state

How that's misconstrued now To pretty much say you can't have Christians in government But that's not what it ever meant

It meant to keep the state out of the church But as Christians, that's what

I want us all to do That's what we I personally believe that's going to happen anyway When it says all kings and nations shall bow before him in worship

The kings of government are rulers They will bow before Christ in worship So that day is coming

You want to be part of that You want to be part of seeing that take place

And I think Dan would actually agree with that I think so I was able to keep up with some of the conversation last night over steak

Yeah Theonomy and steak, because what else goes together? Well, I didn't.

I had a cheeseburger And I had heartburn all last night Oh, did you? What time we take this to?

I think now I think we should probably give people a chance to kind of decompress

And we will catch back with you guys after the break Until next time,