November 24, 2020 Show with Ernie Springer, Dr. Joel Yeager, & Dr. Dan O’Roark on “Coronavirus & Leadership of the Church”

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24th day of November 2020.

And we have a very controversial issue that we are addressing today, one that sadly

even divides the body of Christ, not only the body of Christ or the church at

large in general, but it even divides theologically reformed Christians, perhaps even in

the same congregation.

I know that there are sadly, tragically, even church splits

occurring over what we have in store for us today in our topic.

And we are going to be addressing a new book titled Coronavirus and the

Leadership of the Christian Church, A Sacred Trust Broken.

And we have three guests to do this today.

We have, first of all, Ernie Springer, who is founder of Old Paths Publications.

Let me first greet Ernie.

It's great to have you on the program.

And it's been years since we've communicated.

And it's so wonderful to have you back in connection with me, brother.

Well, thank you, Chris.

It's great to be on.

And tell us about Old Paths Publications.

Well,

I've

even

used

this

in

seminary.

Well, it's

great to

have you back on the program.

And we have with us two first time guests who are both physicians

as well.

First of them is Dr. Joel Yeager, who is founder and

operator of Heritage Family Health in Newmanstown, Pennsylvania.

He's also a diplomat of the American Board of Family Medicine and a contributor to the

Second Opinion Project.

And it's wonderful to have you join us for the very first time ever on Iron Trump and Zion Radio, Dr. Joel Yeager.

Thanks, Chris.

It's my pleasure to be here.

And I'm assuming I'm pronouncing your last name correctly.

That is correct.

Just think of Chuck Yeager.

Okay.

And tell us about Heritage Family Health in Newmanstown, Pennsylvania.

Well, our

office, my wife,

and practice, it's

a new

run

because we

can focus on

what years ago called transforming

healthcare together.

Large practice of close to 7 ,000 patients.

And we continue to see one or two or three new patients every day.

Our practice continues to grow.

And interestingly, it's grown tremendously during the past six months as I

have gotten frustrated with other offices and came in because they were attracted to

the type of care that my wife, Lou Anne, and I offer here at the office.

And this is a general practice, I'm assuming?

General medicine practice?

Correct.

It's a family medicine practice.

We also have a large, technically

not a large amount of that.

We've helped 25 ,000.

Wow.

Well, and if anybody wants to find out more about this practice, you can go to heritagefamilyhealth .org,

heritagefamilyhealth .org.

And last but not least, we have Daniel O 'Rourke, Dr. Daniel O 'Rourke

of Ballard CVA Heart Institute in Johnston City, Tennessee.

And he's also a diplomat of the American Osteopathic Board of International Medicine and

Cardiology.

I'm sorry, Internal Medicine and Cardiology.

And a diplomat of the Certification Board of Nuclear Cardiology and a diplomat

of the National Board of Echocardiology and serves as a fellow of the American College of

Cardiology.

It's great to have you join us for the first time as well, Dr. O 'Rourke.

Thank you, Chris, for having us.

Greatly appreciate it.

And am I pronouncing your last name correctly?

You most certainly are.

Great, because I was tempted to say Roark, but I'm glad I didn't.

Well, tell us about the Ballard CVA Heart Institute in Johnston City, Tennessee.

Well,

basically

three quarters top

and

very,

very

rewarding.

Great.

If anybody wants to find out more information about that practice, you can go to ballardhealth .org,

B -A -L -L -A -D, health .org.

Well, Ernie, going back to you, this book that you have published and have

contributed to as a co -author, Coronavirus, this is a

very timely book, obviously, with the subtitle, And the Leadership of

the Christian Church, A Sacred Trust Broken.

What were the factors, the compelling factors that led you to have this book

published?

And how did you get a hold of Dr. Yeager and Dr. O 'Rourke to contribute to it with you?

Okay,

well,

not

only

were my

sensibilities

shocked,

but beyond simple feelings

in my

church, I was locked

out.

And they

said,

Oh, did

you know Dr.

Yeager?

I

didn't

even

know who

he was, so I

never

actually

found out,

which

actually helped.

Obviously, the thing that Bible -believing brothers in

Christ use as their most compelling reasons to

obey governing authorities, secular governing authorities or civil governing

authorities, over shutdowns and bans and so forth,

is they will repeatedly say, and as did a guest I had

on this program, I've had both sides of this issue, by the way, represented on Iron Trump

and Zion Radio, because I know that the body of Christ has people of differing

opinions on how, when, and where to obey the civil government

when it comes to anything involving worship services and when a

line should be drawn and so forth.

And this included someone who is actually from at least one of the denominations represented

today, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

But the thing that is continually brought forward as

the compelling reason that we should cease, at least for a reasonable

period, when the government says, do not gather, and we should obey them with certain

restrictions when we do gather, is that we are ordered in the scriptures,

or commanded in the scriptures, to obey the governing authorities that God has ordained

over us, even when those authorities are evil,

unless they are requesting of us or even demanding us to

sin.

Now, let's go to Dr. Yeager on this, as both a Christian and

a physician.

What is the problem with that reasoning when you might have somebody in the body of Christ

who is opposed to what you have written in this book, and

say, no, we're supposed to be obeying the government, no matter how evil they may be, how

matter left -wing they may be, no matter how opposed to them we may be, unless

they compel us or attempt to compel us to sin?

How do you respond to that?

I'll talk about

that

shortly,

because

he's

done a

map.

Be careful how you use the word truth, because truth refers ultimately to God's truth.

But I think it's actually broader than that.

I mean,

it's

certainly a

medical stance, media persistency,

what I had seen in clinical time in my medical student days.

I came to medicine a little bit later, I'm 52, but from the time I've been a medical student until now, it's been 20 years,

so if you add my wife's experience plus mine, it's a collective 40 years of experience.

And as I was looking at that, it's like what I'm hearing in terms of lockdowns and

shutdowns and CDC recommendations, as if what they would have been

a few months prior,

we obey a government

mandate if it actually,

what is actually

true?

What is coronavirus?

What's its implications for society?

Is it any different than a bad case of influenza, which if you really look beneath the surface,

you discover that it actually isn't.

So to me, I guess the first aspect would be the concept of truth.

And I think certainly there's people's opinion, but I'm more interested in what

is actually true.

If we're being told that this is

the worst, is that

actually 20 years?

So that's the aspect of truth.

The sphere of sovereignty is probably an even bigger work on that,

because I think there's a piece in the book on that.

Great.

Well, Dr. O 'Rourke, let me also add into the equation something that I forgot to mention when I

posed the question to Dr. Yeager.

The other most frequently recited reason that those who are

defenders of having the church obey the civil government in

matters of when and where and how we are to gather for

worship, with, of course, even those folks would have limitations.

But the issue of demonstrating love for neighbor is

neck and neck in importance with obeying the governing authorities that God has ordained over us.

And some would even say that the truth

involved in these mandates is not necessarily

of the highest importance.

Some might even say, if the government has convinced the population that if we wear

purple hats, we will keep COVID away.

And the major portion of the population believes that we should wear

purple hats just because we are demonstrating to our neighbors, we care about you, we don't want to frighten you.

We are concerned about your health and therefore don't think that we are

cavalier or careless or nonchalant about

your safety and so on.

So adding that into the equation, if you could answer the same question

about how to respond to these folks and why they are not these Christian folks who believe that

we are certainly to obey the government when it has restrictions over the church

within a certain level of reason.

Even they, as I said, don't believe that we should allow the government to

command us in every single aspect of worship.

But too much for the comfort of my guests here today, obviously.

So if you could explain your reasoning.

Well, thank you for the question.

It's a very, very vital question, of course.

I'll

start

firstly

that

humans

have

these

issues

when we go

out

and start

businesses

or we engage in the arts or sciences.

Or

one of the

major

issues

is that in

the book, in

any manner, shape,

or

form, to an

altercation and

someone before

God to protect.

So therefore, or any other

unpleasant decisions that are made by the...

With regard, very briefly, I'll touch upon the idea of love your neighbor as yourself.

This is a very important consideration and one that we don't take away from

the apostles that love is not a sentiment or emotion, but it's adherence to the law of

God.

Commission that we are to teach them everything that I have commanded.

Law of God

is a Christian or inaction.

You think a lot of church leaders have failed in this area.

Well, we're going to our first station break right now.

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This is Chris Arns.

And if you just tuned us in, our guests today are Ernie Springer, founder of Old Paths

Publications, Dr. Joel Yeager, founder and operator of Heritage Family Health

in Newmanstown, Pennsylvania, and Dr. Daniel O 'Rourke of Ballard CVA

Heart Institute in Johnson City, Tennessee.

They are all contributors to the book we are addressing today, Coronavirus and the Leadership of the

Christian Church, A Sacred Trust Broken.

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Dr. Yeager, let me start with you again on this next question.

Let's start separating fact from fiction when it comes to the coronavirus.

I'm sorry.

We had you accidentally unmute, brother.

Can you start again?

Oh, no, no, no.

Go ahead.

To

God, those

together with

neglect or do any violence to the intended love of our neighbor or

the intended they're not mutually exclusive, but are

complements of one another.

And

where do you draw the line in degrees

of

sickness?

I mean, they may even die.

Even a simple cold.

And they might die.

But, you know,

knowing that the

concept of one

can assume the

congregation could have a contagious, deadly disease besides COVID.

And we wouldn't charge them with wearing a mask because of that.

Or, you know, we never did before, and we shouldn't now.

And I guess I would postulate that to make the assumption

reputation.

And the shepherds of the church want to show love for their who's

otherwise healthy of potentially being sick really is, I think, it's

just a thought that

And do you care, Dr. O 'Rourke, to add any of the other

issues into the discussion that are, in your opinion, very

routinely false things that are presented as

facts, presented as scientific and medical facts that you even hear

doctors and physicians and scientists spouting in public, in the

media, that you have a disagreement with?

I'll give you an example.

I have to be honest that I was a bit disappointed after hearing some

scientists give a very believable presentation that the

masks, especially the types of masks that your typical person is wearing that they buy at

Walmart, are not really going to be doing anything to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

And I was very disappointed after going to my own cardiologist,

after I had experienced congestive heart failure back in July, that

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And he even gently chastised me, can you please pull your mask up over your nose, after I

had already told him that I had a difficult time breathing with this thing on.

But if you could, add anything to the discussion that is relevant to separating

fact from fiction.

I'll

just

have to

I'll

let Joel

It's

really hard to

allow

the

media

and

our public health officials

to redefine what a case is.

A person with a disease, sick people, not pre

-infected people, early on, we were

calling these case

negative, you know,

critical

precincts.

But those are the two areas of the mask.

You're not a physician, but do you have anything to add to that part of the discussion?

No, actually, I don't think I do.

I would probably ...

And let's address for a moment something that's very serious.

It has been asserted by many who are

whistleblowers, if you could call them that, that hospitals

are falsely determining in writing,

in the documentation, the cause of death of many patients as the

coronavirus, which really throws the statistics off kilter

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And Dr. O 'Rourke, let's start with you this time.

Yes,

there

definitely

have

been

path

failure,

EOPD, very

frail.

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Let me start with you, Ernie.

I don't know how widespread awareness of this book's existence is yet, but have you

gotten any negative feedback on it?

I have gotten negative feedback on some other interviews that I have conducted with

guests that would hold to a similar or identical position that you three men hold

and that the book promotes.

There are Christians out there, even Reformed Christians, who think that

we are being childish and acting like spoiled brats and crybabies,

whining about simple things like always wearing a mask wherever we go,

because why would we want to not only threaten the lives

of others by not wearing these masks?

Obviously, we don't believe we are threatening anyone's life.

But they think it's such a simple and unburdensome

thing that we are being, for lack of a better term,

jerks, selfish jerks, by not just going along with the program.

So I have had opposition myself for airing programs like this.

But have you gotten any negative feedback yet, Ernie?

Well, I wouldn't necessarily.

At the

beginning,

I

hadn't

even

really

thought

about putting this in a book.

Old Peds is kind of putting mothballs.

It's interesting that through communications with Dan and

Joel, Dan made a

comment that had to be done.

But I just really couldn't quite put my feet now that

I've found it.

And that really shook the

pants here.

You

know,

thinking

about

that,

they

just think

it's a

society that

matters.

Man's out of conscience is to betray true liberty of conscience.

You know, if they're a Christian, they need to understand that it deals with that.

Both of you, as far as the physicians involved, Dr. Yeager and Dr. O

'Rourke, it is quite interesting that in the media, if the

media gives us any accurate percentage of

who is in lockstep agreement about the shutting down

of all gatherings, which would include worship services.

In fact, there was a Hasidic Jewish synagogue that is

going to be fined $15 ,000 by the mayor of New York City.

I believe that was the fee that they had come up with.

But it was nonetheless a fine of thousands of dollars, many thousands of dollars,

because they refused to obey the local

mandates on public gatherings.

And they had a very large wedding celebration that included many thousands of people in this very

large facility.

But if we are to get any kind of barometer from just watching the media,

we get the notion that most in science and the medical realm

are in lockstep agreement with wearing of masks and with not

gathering with large groups, and that we should

not even only restrict things that involve the weakest

and most frail among us, like the elderly.

But these mandates and restrictions should even include those who are

young and in robust health and strength.

So in your own experience, are you both in a tiny

minority in reality?

Is the media giving us a false impression here?

And have you gotten negative feedback from your colleagues?

And let's start with Dr. Yeager this time.

Yeah, great.

But that is

information the

media would tell us.

The interesting thing, it comes down

to a matter of their job.

If they speak out against mainstream media's narrative,

it's likely to be fired.

And unfortunately, that's happening.

For Simone Gold, ER physician from California, she's been practicing ER medicine for

over 20 years.

She fought back against the

mainstream narrative, formed something called the Second Opinion Project, and

became

independent.

When you actually begin to see the number of physicians that are pushing back against the narrative, it's actually quite

the media would ever lead us to believe.

Summits

that were done quite

effectively and quite easily in many cases.

Again, we

see things being shut down.

We see things being interesting.

Speaking of masks, there

was a

great

Canadian from 2006

revealing, and I had seen that

article maybe back in March and

find that again.

I was met with this amazing, because it's

no longer the

credentials of the PhD, he had a doctorate

from Canada,

real big red flag,

diversity discussion,

diversity, unity, and diversity of opinions.

It's one thing to disagree.

That's what healthy debate is all about.

But you don't go just simply removing evidence that previously existed because it's no

longer

the media.

You would think a

significant movement called the Great Barrington Declaration from a couple of months ago.

Yes, I signed it actually.

Okay, great.

Well, you know, I just read the other day that the total number of signatures worldwide

is 50 ,000.

Again, you would not know that reading mainstream.

At least 50 ,000 across the world.

What we're trying to do is just present, but it is to create

well, but in my

discussions with patients over the years on things that

they disagree with, and then

just proceed to present a counter.

Many people are so receptive to that.

I had a patient just this morning actually who came in and almost every one of my patient encounters

bring it up, usually not me.

But till the end of the patient encounter, diabetes, that he said to me, he said, can I pray for

you?

And he did.

He proceeded to pray.

You know, it's easy to feel like

we

keep speaking the truth and see where it leads.

God's ultimately.

And Dr. O 'Rourke, have you actually experienced any negative feedback from

colleagues or patients?

And you could also add anything to what Dr. Yeager has said about the false

impression we were all given from the media that we have to follow the science.

And that means that all scientists is unanimously

in favor of all the restrictions that we're hearing about.

The wearing of masks inside our homes, outside our homes, the

separation of a minimum of six feet and not going to any events that have large numbers of

people gathered and.

On and on.

If you could respond to both of those issues about your own personal experience of negative feedback and also

the public perception of the unanimity of opinion amongst physicians and

scientists.

I'm

very

happy

to report

that at

the

beginning,

just

from

getting

Syria

presented

and

put

into perspective, cited

medically, the

medical articles

are junk 40 years.

OK, we have a listener in western Suffolk County, Long Island named Christopher,

and Christopher wants to know, what do you do, if anything, in your medical practices

in regard to the recommendations of the civil government to prevent the spread of

the COVID virus?

And I guess we'll start with Dr. Yeager, since we just heard from Dr. O 'Rourke.

We'll start with Dr. Yeager and then Dr. O 'Rourke, if you could answer Christopher's question.

Rooms down between each patient.

We've always done that.

It's always been standard practice where we wipe the counters, doorknobs, exam

tables,

absolutely every patient visit.

So we've simply done that.

We've always washed our hands before and after seeing patients, so we continue to do that.

Each of these things with extra diligence.

Most unique office physically in, you

know, most

people have, we do

isolate people who are

sick if they

call in the

waiting area.

So just essentially common sense ways that one would always use to

avoid spreading any other virus.

And Dr. O 'Rourke?

Yeah,

Joel's

a combination of

let

them

get

infected,

a little

risk

to

anybody.

Yeah, if you could, that's a very important point because some who claim

to be physicians and scientists, and I guess that they're telling the truth about that, but

they have scoffed at the whole concept of herd immunity as being something

laughable.

Some have in the media.

If you could explain a little bit more in detail about the importance of that.

Well, basically, it's

a concept where

it won't

become

seriously ill,

but then

they

have some immunity to it.

They're a future.

We were family, and if

the African paw is

dead, they

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time restraints here.

Let's see where I should begin.

Where enough preachers are available in one locality, and they agree to encourage the

other clergy to leave in order not to expose themselves needlessly to danger,

I do not consider such conduct sinful because spiritual services are provided for, and

because they would have been ready and willing to stay if it had been necessary.

We read that St. Athanasius fled from his church, that his life might be spared because many

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Similarly, the brethren in Damascus lowered Paul in a basket over the

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And also in Acts chapter 19 verse 30, Paul allowed himself to be kept from risking danger

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This is all in the backdrop of plagues and diseases that Luther had witnessed in his

own day, and if he believed that it could be very wise and prudent to

unnecessarily expose

oneself and one's congregation to diseases, why wouldn't you feel the same way?

And I guess we'll start, whoever started speaking there, if you could identify yourself.

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go to

our

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Welcome back, and Dr. Yeager, we'll start with you.

We have an anonymous listener who says, I am several months pregnant.

Are there extra precautionary measures I should be conducting as a pregnant woman to

prevent getting the coronavirus?

And is there any known case of the coronavirus affecting an unborn child?

To answer the latter, not that I'm aware of.

I'd have to research that specifically.

They were all female physicians.

Do you have anything to add, Dr. O 'Rourke?

In general, we have to

keep in

mind the usual

precautions

to be doing differently.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, who says, If masks

are really not helpful at all in preventing the spread of the coronavirus, why do surgeons wear

masks in an operating room?

Well, I think, Dr. O

'Rourke, I

mean, it's very interesting because in one of the White Coat Summits, there was a 40 -year

for 40 years.

And she said,

she said prior interesting comment coming

behind the mask.

Well, let's see.

We have C .J. in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who

says, Can you tell us why this is such an important issue to

disobey what seem to be relatively simple requests or even mandates that

people wear masks wherever they go?

And I guess, Ernie, you could start with that.

And we'll have our other two guests quickly wrap up because we're running out of time.

Well, again, I

think,

you

know,

and

we want to

praise

the

Lord.

We want to praise God in his sanctuary.

It can matter.

It's not a simple one.

It gets at the very act of the believer, and that is giving glory to

God, praising God.

Well, Dr. Yeager, if you could have 30 seconds and Dr. O 'Rourke 30 seconds just to wrap up what you most

want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

Dr. Yeager.

Yes, I would

circle

back to

what

has

just been

said.

And Dr. O 'Rourke, your final words.

Again, the foundational premise of our book was that for all of

our listeners,

as long as they don't go to church unhealthy and potentially contagious, they have violated

none of God's law to gather for worship.

And one of the arguments.

And finally, Ernie, if you could provide any kind of information where our listeners could get

a hold of this book, I believe that your best contact information for Old Paths

Publications is your Facebook page, correct?

L -U

-L -U.

Simply go to there,

and you will...

And you could also go to cvbbs .com, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.

And if they don't have it in stock, they will order it.

And we want to thank all of our listeners who sent in questions, because you are all receiving a free copy of the book

if you give us your full mailing addresses.

And cvbbs .com, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, will ship those books out to you once we

get those full mailing addresses.

I want to thank all of you for your excellent participation in today's program.

I want to thank everybody who listened today, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a

far greater Savior than you are a sinner.